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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " Its a personal choice, for you to make on your own. Vote how you want to vote in the privacy of the polling booth. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too." That's an ethical company  | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " Are they telling you what to do or trying to influence your decision? Almost everything you read, see or hear will be put out by someone who wants to influence your decision but nobody can "tell" you how to vote that's why your vote is cast in private. I don't think it's necessarily wrong for an employer to put their corporate view forward but you don't have to agree with it. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. That's an ethical company "No comment  | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Are they telling you what to do or trying to influence your decision? Almost everything you read, see or hear will be put out by someone who wants to influence your decision but nobody can "tell" you how to vote that's why your vote is cast in private. I don't think it's necessarily wrong for an employer to put their corporate view forward but you don't have to agree with it." They know some people will be influenced by what they say. I think I worded it not quite right. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too." . Just 200!! ... I'm in the FTSE 100 ...
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Its a personal choice, for you to make on your own. Vote how you want to vote in the privacy of the polling booth. "  | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Are they telling you what to do or trying to influence your decision? Almost everything you read, see or hear will be put out by someone who wants to influence your decision but nobody can "tell" you how to vote that's why your vote is cast in private. I don't think it's necessarily wrong for an employer to put their corporate view forward but you don't have to agree with it. They know some people will be influenced by what they say. I think I worded it not quite right. " All of us except the most well informed are going to be influenced in some way. If some people feel they need to vote according to what their employer says rather than listen to other points of view too they aren't using their vote well but would have been influenced by another source anyway I guess. I have to say if my employer tried to influence the way I voted I'd take no bloomin notice. | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. " . Did anyone turn up? | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too." They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up?" Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. " Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. " . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place" Why's that then? | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place Why's that then?" . Well me personally speaking, I'd employ people to work and earn me money, what they do in the voting booth or their spare time is upto them... So I'm just guessing you've got nothing to do in your place if your employer is paying 400 employees to turn up and listen to another 2 people who they've also paid for to talk to you about something that's got nothing to do with your employer..I mean what a waste of capital... Unless your employer is using capital to make more capital.. In which case, there like hiring a defence lawyer who owns a jail... They've got a conflict of interest | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU" Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. " Wales wont be going anywhere, we'll be sticking with the UK There's no desire for independence here outside a small number of fanatical nutter. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. Wales wont be going anywhere, we'll be sticking with the UK There's no desire for independence here outside a small number of fanatical nutter. " Fair doos, that's nice to hear. Lots would assume Wales needs the EU structural funds etc, in respect of what you state it's nice to hear of Welsh allegiance  | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place Why's that then?. Well me personally speaking, I'd employ people to work and earn me money, what they do in the voting booth or their spare time is upto them... So I'm just guessing you've got nothing to do in your place if your employer is paying 400 employees to turn up and listen to another 2 people who they've also paid for to talk to you about something that's got nothing to do with your employer..I mean what a waste of capital... Unless your employer is using capital to make more capital.. In which case, there like hiring a defence lawyer who owns a jail... They've got a conflict of interest" Its called engagement. Interested employees who feel valued produce much more effectivly. So some companies know that in or out will benifit or cost them greatly so being able to pursaude hundreds of people plus thier families is a good idea for them to try to achive a useful outcome | |||
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"I got a memo saying if you waste your time voting your sacked!. . . I wouldn't mind but I'm self-employed" Did you send it to yourself ? Haha | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. Wales wont be going anywhere, we'll be sticking with the UK There's no desire for independence here outside a small number of fanatical nutter. Fair doos, that's nice to hear. Lots would assume Wales needs the EU structural funds etc, in respect of what you state it's nice to hear of Welsh allegiance "Any funding lost can eaisly be replaced wtih funding direct from UK funds. In fact it could be increased as there would potentialy be more available. Checking though no Scotland would still need a central bank for finanical firms to be headquartered there. So that means if they leave the uk to join the EU on an exit they would have to change to the euro. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. " . What how when. I mean Scotland would first have to vote independence, then would have to apply and meet EU rules, then adopt the euro, then meet the 3% euro criteria.. So in ten years maybe Scotland could join the EU? | |||
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"Multinationals want to stay, that way they can keep costs down by employing cheap labour from the continent Any employer telling me how to vote would have an adverse effect " +1 absolutely | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " Personally, I think it's good for companies to state which outcome they think is better for "The Company", but they should qualify their opinion with reasons. Ultimately, it's still your choice which box you tick. Cal | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place Why's that then?. Well me personally speaking, I'd employ people to work and earn me money, what they do in the voting booth or their spare time is upto them... So I'm just guessing you've got nothing to do in your place if your employer is paying 400 employees to turn up and listen to another 2 people who they've also paid for to talk to you about something that's got nothing to do with your employer..I mean what a waste of capital... Unless your employer is using capital to make more capital.. In which case, there like hiring a defence lawyer who owns a jail... They've got a conflict of interest Its called engagement. Interested employees who feel valued produce much more effectivly. So some companies know that in or out will benifit or cost them greatly so being able to pursaude hundreds of people plus thier families is a good idea for them to try to achive a useful outcome" Some people understand how business works, some people don't. .. Great that the company invited speakers from both sides. Sounds like a good company to work for to me. | |||
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"As the leave campaigners say that the Europeans here can stay if we vote to leave it's not going to affect wages well anyway. Employers are fine giving their perspective but voting is personal." Surely, it's not up to the "Leave Campaign" what happens to the Europeans after the vote. The government will still be making the decisions either way. Cal | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. Wales wont be going anywhere, we'll be sticking with the UK There's no desire for independence here outside a small number of fanatical nutter. Fair doos, that's nice to hear. Lots would assume Wales needs the EU structural funds etc, in respect of what you state it's nice to hear of Welsh allegiance
Any funding lost can eaisly be replaced wtih funding direct from UK funds. In fact it could be increased as there would potentialy be more available.
Checking though no Scotland would still need a central bank for finanical firms to be headquartered there.
So that means if they leave the uk to join the EU on an exit they would have to change to the euro. "In theory yes. In reality the Spanish would veto their application on day one. | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place Why's that then?. Well me personally speaking, I'd employ people to work and earn me money, what they do in the voting booth or their spare time is upto them... So I'm just guessing you've got nothing to do in your place if your employer is paying 400 employees to turn up and listen to another 2 people who they've also paid for to talk to you about something that's got nothing to do with your employer..I mean what a waste of capital... Unless your employer is using capital to make more capital.. In which case, there like hiring a defence lawyer who owns a jail... They've got a conflict of interest" Sounds like an excellent and enlightened employer; who values their workforce; and who realises that they have a moral responsibility to not only pay their workers, but to engage with them, to give then opportunities to learn. A better educated employees is a more useful and motivated employee . | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. " Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place Why's that then?. Well me personally speaking, I'd employ people to work and earn me money, what they do in the voting booth or their spare time is upto them... So I'm just guessing you've got nothing to do in your place if your employer is paying 400 employees to turn up and listen to another 2 people who they've also paid for to talk to you about something that's got nothing to do with your employer..I mean what a waste of capital... Unless your employer is using capital to make more capital.. In which case, there like hiring a defence lawyer who owns a jail... They've got a conflict of interest" I gues 400 out 12'000 for a few hours is a price they are willing to pay to be an employer that employees feel engaged with. We hold fun days and arrange for thousands to travel from all over the uk to attend. You might think that's a waste if time too but they are the most "values driven" employer I've ever come across. And obviousley they didn't pay for the speakers. I'm so talking from my experience of my own employer. Your talking out of you arse, which seems to be par for the course as I'm not sure I've ever seen you actualyb debate or defend a factual point yet. Just loads of rhetoric and nonsense. | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK." SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain | |||
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place Why's that then?. Well me personally speaking, I'd employ people to work and earn me money, what they do in the voting booth or their spare time is upto them... So I'm just guessing you've got nothing to do in your place if your employer is paying 400 employees to turn up and listen to another 2 people who they've also paid for to talk to you about something that's got nothing to do with your employer..I mean what a waste of capital... Unless your employer is using capital to make more capital.. In which case, there like hiring a defence lawyer who owns a jail... They've got a conflict of interest I gues 400 out 12'000 for a few hours is a price they are willing to pay to be an employer that employees feel engaged with. We hold fun days and arrange for thousands to travel from all over the uk to attend. You might think that's a waste if time too but they are the most "values driven" employer I've ever come across. And obviousley they didn't pay for the speakers. I'm so talking from my experience of my own employer. Your talking out of you arse, which seems to be par for the course as I'm not sure I've ever seen you actualyb debate or defend a factual point yet. Just loads of rhetoric and nonsense. " You spend far too long at wotk for employers not to take a forwarc thinking stance like this. You employer sounds like mine. Great places to work that you feel valued and invested in. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. Wales wont be going anywhere, we'll be sticking with the UK There's no desire for independence here outside a small number of fanatical nutter. Fair doos, that's nice to hear. Lots would assume Wales needs the EU structural funds etc, in respect of what you state it's nice to hear of Welsh allegiance
Any funding lost can eaisly be replaced wtih funding direct from UK funds. In fact it could be increased as there would potentialy be more available.
Checking though no Scotland would still need a central bank for finanical firms to be headquartered there.
So that means if they leave the uk to join the EU on an exit they would have to change to the euro.
In theory yes. In reality the Spanish would veto their application on day one."Spain did say repeatedly during the Scottish independence referendum they would block all attempts by an independent Scotland to join the EU because of the Catelonia issue in Spain. | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain" A former leader of the SNP was on BBC Question Time last Thursday supporting Brexit and recommending a leave vote for Scotland. It would really help the Scottish fishing industry if we leave the EU when Scotland can reclaim it's territorial waters in the north Sea. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " I say good on wetherspoons for recommending a Leave vote to its employees. Also many small business all over the UK would benefit from leaving the EU, cutting EU red tape. The UK fishing Industry would also benefit if we Leave the EU. Still voting is a personal choice for individuals to make on their own in the polling booth. | |||
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"Multinationals want to stay, that way they can keep costs down by employing cheap labour from the continent Any employer telling me how to vote would have an adverse effect +1 absolutely "the thing is companies will always try to keep costs down in order to maximise profit so if we do go out of the EU and they can't hire cheap labour what do you think will most likely happen...they pay UK wages. ..or they set up sweat shops with out new found trading partners. ..like India or China? Which do you think is most cost effective for the big companies? | |||
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But my wider industry is largely made up of freelancers and that means that there has been a lot of discussion about the implications between other self-employed people in my sector. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " wouldn't you be pissed of if your job went as a result of a brexit vote and your employer hadn't explained the risk of brexit .. | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain A former leader of the SNP was on BBC Question Time last Thursday supporting Brexit and recommending a leave vote for Scotland. It would really help the Scottish fishing industry if we leave the EU when Scotland can reclaim it's territorial waters in the north Sea. " whet and go back to the days of the cod wars ..fishing quotas could equally be cut after brexit ..lets spend millions having to protect fishing fleet shall we as we did in the seventies another bright idea from brexiters NOT | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain A former leader of the SNP was on BBC Question Time last Thursday supporting Brexit and recommending a leave vote for Scotland. It would really help the Scottish fishing industry if we leave the EU when Scotland can reclaim it's territorial waters in the north Sea. whet and go back to the days of the cod wars ..fishing quotas could equally be cut after brexit ..lets spend millions having to protect fishing fleet shall we as we did in the seventies another bright idea from brexiters NOT" Firstly the two "Cod wars" of the 70's were absolutely nothing to do with the EU or quota's in British waters, or even British waters at all. Iceland unilaterally decided to increase its territorial fishing limit from 12 to 50 miles then subsequently from 50 to 200. British trawlers had fished these waters for decades and the Icelandic action was against international law at the time. This prompted the British government to send the Royal Navy to protect the fishing fleet from the illegal actions of Icelandic gunboats, namely cutting the fishing warps of the trawlers. It was only American intervention (after Icelandic threats to NATO bases) that made the British government back down. Should Britain leave the EU it would have full control of British waters. EU quotas would not apply. The Icelandic's would still have control of Icelandic waters. As they do now. | |||
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"Our union has made its position quite clear in this. It wants out!!!" Which union out of interest? | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain A former leader of the SNP was on BBC Question Time last Thursday supporting Brexit and recommending a leave vote for Scotland. It would really help the Scottish fishing industry if we leave the EU when Scotland can reclaim it's territorial waters in the north Sea. whet and go back to the days of the cod wars ..fishing quotas could equally be cut after brexit ..lets spend millions having to protect fishing fleet shall we as we did in the seventies another bright idea from brexiters NOT Firstly the two "Cod wars" of the 70's were absolutely nothing to do with the EU or quota's in British waters, or even British waters at all. Iceland unilaterally decided to increase its territorial fishing limit from 12 to 50 miles then subsequently from 50 to 200. British trawlers had fished these waters for decades and the Icelandic action was against international law at the time. This prompted the British government to send the Royal Navy to protect the fishing fleet from the illegal actions of Icelandic gunboats, namely cutting the fishing warps of the trawlers. It was only American intervention (after Icelandic threats to NATO bases) that made the British government back down. Should Britain leave the EU it would have full control of British waters. EU quotas would not apply. The Icelandic's would still have control of Icelandic waters. As they do now. " surely the department of agriculture farming and fisheries would set quotas and they could be less than those set by the EU .quotas are set so there isn't overfishing .so no guarantee of any more fish being landed after brexit ..just more wishful thinking | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain A former leader of the SNP was on BBC Question Time last Thursday supporting Brexit and recommending a leave vote for Scotland. It would really help the Scottish fishing industry if we leave the EU when Scotland can reclaim it's territorial waters in the north Sea. whet and go back to the days of the cod wars ..fishing quotas could equally be cut after brexit ..lets spend millions having to protect fishing fleet shall we as we did in the seventies another bright idea from brexiters NOT Firstly the two "Cod wars" of the 70's were absolutely nothing to do with the EU or quota's in British waters, or even British waters at all. Iceland unilaterally decided to increase its territorial fishing limit from 12 to 50 miles then subsequently from 50 to 200. British trawlers had fished these waters for decades and the Icelandic action was against international law at the time. This prompted the British government to send the Royal Navy to protect the fishing fleet from the illegal actions of Icelandic gunboats, namely cutting the fishing warps of the trawlers. It was only American intervention (after Icelandic threats to NATO bases) that made the British government back down. Should Britain leave the EU it would have full control of British waters. EU quotas would not apply. The Icelandic's would still have control of Icelandic waters. As they do now. surely the department of agriculture farming and fisheries would set quotas and they could be less than those set by the EU .quotas are set so there isn't overfishing .so no guarantee of any more fish being landed after brexit ..just more wishful thinking " So you are saying that when Britain regains control of its waters and French, Dutch, Spanish Etc. trawlers will not be allowed to fish. The British government will reduce the quota for British boats. 
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"I think it's entirely reasonable for a company to tell employees how they think the result will effect the business. My employer hired a university hall last week and invited prominent speakers from both sides to hold a debate in front of the employees. . Did anyone turn up? Standing room only. About 400 people at a guess. . Jesus... You must be really bored at your place Why's that then?. Well me personally speaking, I'd employ people to work and earn me money, what they do in the voting booth or their spare time is upto them... So I'm just guessing you've got nothing to do in your place if your employer is paying 400 employees to turn up and listen to another 2 people who they've also paid for to talk to you about something that's got nothing to do with your employer..I mean what a waste of capital... Unless your employer is using capital to make more capital.. In which case, there like hiring a defence lawyer who owns a jail... They've got a conflict of interest I gues 400 out 12'000 for a few hours is a price they are willing to pay to be an employer that employees feel engaged with. We hold fun days and arrange for thousands to travel from all over the uk to attend. You might think that's a waste if time too but they are the most "values driven" employer I've ever come across. And obviousley they didn't pay for the speakers. I'm so talking from my experience of my own employer. Your talking out of you arse, which seems to be par for the course as I'm not sure I've ever seen you actualyb debate or defend a factual point yet. Just loads of rhetoric and nonsense. " . Oh dear somebody got all grumpy  .
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"It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow." Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. "lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours! | |||
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"It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow. Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. " I thought there was a fishy smell to this. The sea fisheries committees had to get their bye-laws approved by the secretary of state. That's the UK secretary of state in Westminster. If you were sending them to Brussels you were wasting the stamp. You might be able to blame the EU for a lot of things, but surely not your loss of memory? Interestingly enough if you'd tried to get through to the MEP's fisheries committee to complain about this, until not so long ago you could have tried to get one Nigel Farage onto the case since he was a member. In name and ability to collect the allowances anyway. He turned up for one out of 30 meetings. In that meeting there was an important vote on discards, the last vote of the day. Farage left before he could do his job. I expect he needed a pint - far more important than fisheries protection. One reform we could all contribute to - elect MEPs who are going to do something useful for the country, and the fisheries, rather than be a waste of space. Back to you Captain Birdseye | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Its a personal choice, for you to make on your own. Vote how you want to vote in the privacy of the polling booth. " I agree, it's your own private choice. However your employer has the right, as does everyone, to tell people, including their employees, what they think is best. As long as they can not sanction people for not voting the way they feel is right (and they can't( it's just more information for you to take into consideration when you vote. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Are they telling you what to do or trying to influence your decision? Almost everything you read, see or hear will be put out by someone who wants to influence your decision but nobody can "tell" you how to vote that's why your vote is cast in private. I don't think it's necessarily wrong for an employer to put their corporate view forward but you don't have to agree with it. They know some people will be influenced by what they say. I think I worded it not quite right. " Well if course they think people will be influenced by what they say. What would be the point of saying anything if you didn't think it was going to have any influence? It's their point of view and their advice. You are free to either follow it completely, ignore it totally or take it into consideration, along with other opinion and advice you may have heard, when you cast your vote. | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. " Actually, while Scotland receives more per head from the EU than England does, it is still in most years a net contributer also. | |||
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"Your vote is your own. No one can infuence your choice. Not the Goverment, not your friends, not your family, not your boss. Just you, the facts and your opinion" what a strange post. all those things can influence your vote. whether you let them or not is another matter. as others have said if your firm says your job will be affected by the outcome you would be daft to ignore what they said. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours! "It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign. David Cameron has been found out! The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry". | |||
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. That's an ethical company
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"I work for a FTSE200 company and their stance is they don't have a stance. But they wouldn't try and influence staff anyway. We have a massive presence in Scotland and they stayed neutral on that too. They are safe either way then - if the brexit happens then Scotland would likely want (need) EU membership, so business wise your company could simply have their head office functions (etc) in Scotland if they are not already there. Depends if thier a financial company if they are they wouldnt be able to as scotland has no central bank/lender of last resort unless that could be provided by the EU Yeah, so if UK stays in there is no change. If UK exits, Scotland (and Wales) would likely be forced to join EU as they rely so much on EU funding. So if we do exit, Scotland will join EU and all will be ok. Wales wont be going anywhere, we'll be sticking with the UK There's no desire for independence here outside a small number of fanatical nutter. Fair doos, that's nice to hear. Lots would assume Wales needs the EU structural funds etc, in respect of what you state it's nice to hear of Welsh allegiance "I think you'll probably find that, when the chips are down, while Scotland would mostly prefer the UK to remain in the EU, if given the choice of being in the EU or a UK outside of the EU, I think Scotland would choose what is best for Scotland and that would be to stay with the UK. And I say this as someone who is totally committed to BREMAIN. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry". "you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry".
you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility. "Why is that then? What Nigel and Boris said was right. It's Cameron who has lost all credibility now he has been found out. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do I don't think it's necessarily wrong for an employer to put their corporate view forward but you don't have to agree with it." Most corporate views will be to stay. Cheap labour pool from Eastern Europe willing to work for minimum wage. Topped up by tax credits so companies can make huge profits. Take away that labour pool and they may have to pay decent wages and make less profit.....of course they want you to vote stay. Up to you if you listen to them....but make up your own mind, on what is best/right/moral for you, your family etc. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry".
you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility.
Why is that then? What Nigel and Boris said was right. It's Cameron who has lost all credibility now he has been found out. "because Boris and Nigel and the truth are not on speaking terms | |||
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"Your vote is your own. No one can infuence your choice. Not the Goverment, not your friends, not your family, not your boss. Just you, the facts and your opinion what a strange post. all those things can influence your vote. whether you let them or not is another matter. as others have said if your firm says your job will be affected by the outcome you would be daft to ignore what they said." Cameron said leaving the EU could lead to more likely hood of war in Europe....I'm going to ignore that bollocks tho! | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry".
you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility.
Why is that then? What Nigel and Boris said was right. It's Cameron who has lost all credibility now he has been found out. "I won't be using you as a negotiator any time soon. LOL. Have you never heard of a negotiating position? | |||
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"Depending on how they tell you, they could be accused of bringing unacceptable pressure to bear on your decision which is illegal. how? they will never know how you actually voted. " It's more about unacceptable pressure BEFORE voting. Whilst the secret ballot gives people some security it doesn't necessarily follow that some people will vote according to the pressure put on them. That is why it's illegal. Personally, I vote for my own reasons as I am sure you do. But not everyone is the same. Some people can be more easily intimidated or influenced. | |||
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"I'm sure it's prefixed and our vote will make no difference. I've seen nothing but leaflets about an in vote but not 1 thing about out. It's like the general. I don't know a single person that voted conservatives. It's all fixed and they don't even hide the fact we don't really have our say anymore" You need to widen your social circle. Most of the people I know voted conservative, quite a few voted Labour or UKIP, even some LibDem. I don't know any that admit to voting Green yet but I have my suspicions. | |||
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"I'm sure it's prefixed and our vote will make no difference. I've seen nothing but leaflets about an in vote but not 1 thing about out. It's like the general. I don't know a single person that voted conservatives. It's all fixed and they don't even hide the fact we don't really have our say anymore You need to widen your social circle. Most of the people I know voted conservative, quite a few voted Labour or UKIP, even some LibDem. I don't know any that admit to voting Green yet but I have my suspicions. "I actually have quite a varied social circle. I voted green because I didn't want to vote for anyone else lol. It was that or not vote at all | |||
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"I'm sure it's prefixed and our vote will make no difference. I've seen nothing but leaflets about an in vote but not 1 thing about out. It's like the general. I don't know a single person that voted conservatives. It's all fixed and they don't even hide the fact we don't really have our say anymore" I often go to vote counts and it's actually not fixed at all. The system if full of checks to make sure it is all above board. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry".
you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility.
Why is that then? What Nigel and Boris said was right. It's Cameron who has lost all credibility now he has been found out.
I won't be using you as a negotiator any time soon. LOL.
Have you never heard of a negotiating position?"Cameron's negotiating strategy was very poor, the deal he got was crap. The Turks seem to be doing much better at negotiating what they want from the EU. Maybe Cameron should employ a Turk on minimum wage to do his negotiating for him? | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry".
you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility.
Why is that then? What Nigel and Boris said was right. It's Cameron who has lost all credibility now he has been found out.
I won't be using you as a negotiator any time soon. LOL.
Have you never heard of a negotiating position?
Cameron's negotiating strategy was very poor, the deal he got was crap. The Turks seem to be doing much better at negotiating what they want from the EU. Maybe Cameron should employ a Turk on minimum wage to do his negotiating for him?"Let's be honest with each over. There is no deal he could have got or not got that wad going to change the way you or I were going to vote in this referendum. You were always going to vote LEAVE and I was always going to vote REMAIN. | |||
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"Unlike Camerom who hadn't made his mind up eh? "I never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back BREMAIN. It's the only sensible option in my opinion. I'm also perfectly happy that he said he might not back BREMAIN as a negotiating position to get the best deal possible for Britain. That being said I would still be backing BREMAIN even if there had been no improvement of our membership terms as I believe that Britain is stronger, wealthier and more secure when we stand together with our neighbours and friends rather than standing alone. | |||
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"Unlike Camerom who hadn't made his mind up eh?
I never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back BREMAIN. It's the only sensible option in my opinion. I'm also perfectly happy that he said he might not back BREMAIN as a negotiating position to get the best deal possible for Britain.
That being said I would still be backing BREMAIN even if there had been no improvement of our membership terms as I believe that Britain is stronger, wealthier and more secure when we stand together with our neighbours and friends rather than standing alone."If you never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back Bremain, then what makes you think the EU elite in Brussels were any different? Maybe thats why he got such a poor deal because his negotiating strategy was so poor the Eurocrats could see straight through him. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry".
you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility.
Why is that then? What Nigel and Boris said was right. It's Cameron who has lost all credibility now he has been found out.
I won't be using you as a negotiator any time soon. LOL.
Have you never heard of a negotiating position?
Cameron's negotiating strategy was very poor, the deal he got was crap. The Turks seem to be doing much better at negotiating what they want from the EU. Maybe Cameron should employ a Turk on minimum wage to do his negotiating for him?
Let's be honest with each over. There is no deal he could have got or not got that wad going to change the way you or I were going to vote in this referendum. You were always going to vote LEAVE and I was always going to vote REMAIN. ". Well at least somebody is honest enough to mention that!. I think I was probably the only person waiting to see what the deal was before deciding. Needless to say I didn't get what I wanted | |||
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"I wonder why the pricks in Brussels didn"t take him seriously and humiliated him. It was an embarrassement " "Pathetic" was the word i used at the time when the deal was announced. Besides the deal is worthless anyway, it is not EU treaty change, it has only been lodged with the UN. Jean Claude Juncker has already shown he does'nt give a toss what the UN thinks when the UN and Amnesty international condemned the EU/Turkey deal over the migration crisis, and they said it could be against international law. Jean Claude Juncker then just brushed aside the UN and Amnesty international intervention like it was meaningless. Now because Cameron's sham deal is not part of any EU treaty change, it can be overturned or dropped at a moments notice by the European Court of Justice, the EU council and the EU commission. Its not worth the paper it was written on. Martin Schultz (one of the EU big beasts) was rubbishing the Cameron renegotiation EU deal live on camera to the media as soon as Cameron was out the door. | |||
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"Unlike Camerom who hadn't made his mind up eh?
I never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back BREMAIN. It's the only sensible option in my opinion. I'm also perfectly happy that he said he might not back BREMAIN as a negotiating position to get the best deal possible for Britain.
That being said I would still be backing BREMAIN even if there had been no improvement of our membership terms as I believe that Britain is stronger, wealthier and more secure when we stand together with our neighbours and friends rather than standing alone.
If you never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back Bremain, then what makes you think the EU elite in Brussels were any different? Maybe thats why he got such a poor deal because his negotiating strategy was so poor the Eurocrats could see straight through him. "I think you've missed the negotiating point completely. The point of the deal was not to get Cameron on board, he already was, nor to try and get Farage to suddenly change his mind on the EU. The point of the deal is to persuade some, who maybe undecided, to back BREMAIN by reducing some of the perceive downside of 'free movement' and possible expansion of the Euro area. By limiting wealthier to new EU arrivals and ensuring that Britain never has to join the EURO or take part in any further political union within the EU I think it may help to persuade some undecided. It won't, and was never meant to persuade the likes of you and me who have already looked at the whole thing and, unless something totally remarkable was pulled out the hat, are unlikely to change our minds now. | |||
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"I work for the Government. We're not allowed to discuss personal feelings about any vote in the run up to voting, as we're supposed to be unbiased. lol hasn't stopped Camerloon from using the full force of government,leaflets etc from triumphing his so called 'deal',oops should've realised,he's not working for government,people of Britain,he's getting ready for post premiership directorships,speaking tours!
It has been revealed in a leaked document now that David Cameron has lied to the British public. Back in February when David Cameron was in the midst of his EU renegotiation deal he told the British public "if I don't get what I want I rule nothing out". Suggesting he would campaign for Brexit if he didn't get what he wanted from the deal. Now the leaked document being talked about in today's newspapers confirms all the while before the EU deal was signed back in February David Cameron was drumming up support from big business leaders to campaign alongside him for the Remain campaign.
David Cameron has been found out!
The whole EU renegotiation deal was a complete and utter sham. Nigel Farage called it the Cam sham at the time back in February and he has been proven right. Yesterday Boris Johnson made a speech in Stafford town centre on the vote Leave campaign trail in the Brexit battle bus he said "David Cameron's EU renegotiation deal was the biggest stitch up since the Bayeax Tapestry".
you were doing all right until you brought up Boris and Niger then you lost all credibility.
Why is that then? What Nigel and Boris said was right. It's Cameron who has lost all credibility now he has been found out.
I won't be using you as a negotiator any time soon. LOL.
Have you never heard of a negotiating position?
Cameron's negotiating strategy was very poor, the deal he got was crap. The Turks seem to be doing much better at negotiating what they want from the EU. Maybe Cameron should employ a Turk on minimum wage to do his negotiating for him?
Let's be honest with each over. There is no deal he could have got or not got that wad going to change the way you or I were going to vote in this referendum. You were always going to vote LEAVE and I was always going to vote REMAIN. .
Well at least somebody is honest enough to mention that!.
I think I was probably the only person waiting to see what the deal was before deciding.
Needless to say I didn't get what I wanted"The story in the newspapers today is that while you were waiting to see the outcome of the deal during the negotiating process, David Cameron was already sweet talking big business leaders to get them onside for the Remain campaign. Cameron had already made his mind up long before any deal was signed off. | |||
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"Unlike Camerom who hadn't made his mind up eh?
I never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back BREMAIN. It's the only sensible option in my opinion. I'm also perfectly happy that he said he might not back BREMAIN as a negotiating position to get the best deal possible for Britain.
That being said I would still be backing BREMAIN even if there had been no improvement of our membership terms as I believe that Britain is stronger, wealthier and more secure when we stand together with our neighbours and friends rather than standing alone.
If you never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back Bremain, then what makes you think the EU elite in Brussels were any different? Maybe thats why he got such a poor deal because his negotiating strategy was so poor the Eurocrats could see straight through him.
I think you've missed the negotiating point completely. The point of the deal was not to get Cameron on board, he already was, nor to try and get Farage to suddenly change his mind on the EU. The point of the deal is to persuade some, who maybe undecided, to back BREMAIN by reducing some of the perceive downside of 'free movement' and possible expansion of the Euro area. By limiting wealthier to new EU arrivals and ensuring that Britain never has to join the EURO or take part in any further political union within the EU I think it may help to persuade some undecided. It won't, and was never meant to persuade the likes of you and me who have already looked at the whole thing and, unless something totally remarkable was pulled out the hat, are unlikely to change our minds now."So in short Cameron lied to the British public and tried to pull the wool over their eyes. | |||
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"Unlike Camerom who hadn't made his mind up eh?
I never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back BREMAIN. It's the only sensible option in my opinion. I'm also perfectly happy that he said he might not back BREMAIN as a negotiating position to get the best deal possible for Britain.
That being said I would still be backing BREMAIN even if there had been no improvement of our membership terms as I believe that Britain is stronger, wealthier and more secure when we stand together with our neighbours and friends rather than standing alone.
If you never doubted for a moment that Cameron would back Bremain, then what makes you think the EU elite in Brussels were any different? Maybe thats why he got such a poor deal because his negotiating strategy was so poor the Eurocrats could see straight through him.
I think you've missed the negotiating point completely. The point of the deal was not to get Cameron on board, he already was, nor to try and get Farage to suddenly change his mind on the EU. The point of the deal is to persuade some, who maybe undecided, to back BREMAIN by reducing some of the perceive downside of 'free movement' and possible expansion of the Euro area. By limiting wealthier to new EU arrivals and ensuring that Britain never has to join the EURO or take part in any further political union within the EU I think it may help to persuade some undecided. It won't, and was never meant to persuade the likes of you and me who have already looked at the whole thing and, unless something totally remarkable was pulled out the hat, are unlikely to change our minds now.
So in short Cameron lied to the British public and tried to pull the wool over their eyes. "Get real. I really don't think that Cameron saying he might not back BREMAIN when going into negotiations with the EU is going to convince anyone to vote BREXIT who hasn't already made up their mind. | |||
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"It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow. Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. I thought there was a fishy smell to this. The sea fisheries committees had to get their bye-laws approved by the secretary of state. That's the UK secretary of state in Westminster. If you were sending them to Brussels you were wasting the stamp. You might be able to blame the EU for a lot of things, but surely not your loss of memory? Interestingly enough if you'd tried to get through to the MEP's fisheries committee to complain about this, until not so long ago you could have tried to get one Nigel Farage onto the case since he was a member. In name and ability to collect the allowances anyway. He turned up for one out of 30 meetings. In that meeting there was an important vote on discards, the last vote of the day. Farage left before he could do his job. I expect he needed a pint - far more important than fisheries protection. One reform we could all contribute to - elect MEPs who are going to do something useful for the country, and the fisheries, rather than be a waste of space. Back to you Captain Birdseye" In actual fact they went to MAFF in those days who in turn checked it out with the EU. Sorry if I took a short cut but it was still the EU who refused the byelaw. Apart from that I just love bringing out the pedant in you. In fact I sometimes wonder how you are so clued up on very minor detail. This is interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9845442/EU-to-set-up-euro-election-troll-patrol-to-tackle-Eurosceptic-surge.html Hmmm Makes one wonder. | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. However if an employer uses their status as an employer to coerce employees to vote in any way the employer should be prosecuted and jailed. I am firmly pro Europe but having seen the dishonesty and scaremongering brokered by the remain camp I have decided to vote "OUT". With luck my vote will help topple this corrupt and unprincipled government!" good choice my friend, good to see the change in your ways | |||
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"It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow. Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. I thought there was a fishy smell to this. The sea fisheries committees had to get their bye-laws approved by the secretary of state. That's the UK secretary of state in Westminster. If you were sending them to Brussels you were wasting the stamp. You might be able to blame the EU for a lot of things, but surely not your loss of memory? Interestingly enough if you'd tried to get through to the MEP's fisheries committee to complain about this, until not so long ago you could have tried to get one Nigel Farage onto the case since he was a member. In name and ability to collect the allowances anyway. He turned up for one out of 30 meetings. In that meeting there was an important vote on discards, the last vote of the day. Farage left before he could do his job. I expect he needed a pint - far more important than fisheries protection. One reform we could all contribute to - elect MEPs who are going to do something useful for the country, and the fisheries, rather than be a waste of space. Back to you Captain Birdseye In actual fact they went to MAFF in those days who in turn checked it out with the EU. Sorry if I took a short cut but it was still the EU who refused the byelaw. Apart from that I just love bringing out the pedant in you. In fact I sometimes wonder how you are so clued up on very minor detail. This is interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9845442/EU-to-set-up-euro-election-troll-patrol-to-tackle-Eurosceptic-surge.html Hmmm Makes one wonder." As a matter of fact it was the uk secretary of state acting under a 1966 uk act of parliament which wasn't repealed until the 1995 uk environment act. You keep on wondering. If it makes you think twice about any of your little fibs then it's worthwhile putting up with the slurs. | |||
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"It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow. Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. I thought there was a fishy smell to this. The sea fisheries committees had to get their bye-laws approved by the secretary of state. That's the UK secretary of state in Westminster. If you were sending them to Brussels you were wasting the stamp. You might be able to blame the EU for a lot of things, but surely not your loss of memory? Interestingly enough if you'd tried to get through to the MEP's fisheries committee to complain about this, until not so long ago you could have tried to get one Nigel Farage onto the case since he was a member. In name and ability to collect the allowances anyway. He turned up for one out of 30 meetings. In that meeting there was an important vote on discards, the last vote of the day. Farage left before he could do his job. I expect he needed a pint - far more important than fisheries protection. One reform we could all contribute to - elect MEPs who are going to do something useful for the country, and the fisheries, rather than be a waste of space. Back to you Captain Birdseye In actual fact they went to MAFF in those days who in turn checked it out with the EU. Sorry if I took a short cut but it was still the EU who refused the byelaw. Apart from that I just love bringing out the pedant in you. In fact I sometimes wonder how you are so clued up on very minor detail. This is interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9845442/EU-to-set-up-euro-election-troll-patrol-to-tackle-Eurosceptic-surge.html Hmmm Makes one wonder. As a matter of fact it was the uk secretary of state acting under a 1966 uk act of parliament which wasn't repealed until the 1995 uk environment act. You keep on wondering. If it makes you think twice about any of your little fibs then it's worthwhile putting up with the slurs. " If the cap fits | |||
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"i don't think they should tell you what way to vote..... however i think they are well within their rights and should tell you of any potential consequence that your vote may have on your job... so if they tell you your job my cease to exist if it goes a certain way.... and you vote that way.... and your job goes....you can't say you were not warned......." This is what I did , I informed my employees that he the vote was out I would retire Surely it would be wrong of an employer not to inform their employees their stance or view point Due to EU law all UK employees are protected from employers telling an employee to vote a particular way or sacked  | |||
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"It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow. Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. I thought there was a fishy smell to this. The sea fisheries committees had to get their bye-laws approved by the secretary of state. That's the UK secretary of state in Westminster. If you were sending them to Brussels you were wasting the stamp. You might be able to blame the EU for a lot of things, but surely not your loss of memory? Interestingly enough if you'd tried to get through to the MEP's fisheries committee to complain about this, until not so long ago you could have tried to get one Nigel Farage onto the case since he was a member. In name and ability to collect the allowances anyway. He turned up for one out of 30 meetings. In that meeting there was an important vote on discards, the last vote of the day. Farage left before he could do his job. I expect he needed a pint - far more important than fisheries protection. One reform we could all contribute to - elect MEPs who are going to do something useful for the country, and the fisheries, rather than be a waste of space. Back to you Captain Birdseye In actual fact they went to MAFF in those days who in turn checked it out with the EU. Sorry if I took a short cut but it was still the EU who refused the byelaw. Apart from that I just love bringing out the pedant in you. In fact I sometimes wonder how you are so clued up on very minor detail. This is interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9845442/EU-to-set-up-euro-election-troll-patrol-to-tackle-Eurosceptic-surge.html Hmmm Makes one wonder. As a matter of fact it was the uk secretary of state acting under a 1966 uk act of parliament which wasn't repealed until the 1995 uk environment act. You keep on wondering. If it makes you think twice about any of your little fibs then it's worthwhile putting up with the slurs. If the cap fits "It would be a perfect deal for me to get paid for something I do for free and because I care about my country. Of course you had to raise my hopes with an out of date and inaccurate promise of remuneration for tracking eurosceptic trolls down. How typical of camp Brexit that is. I'll just have to carry on considering anything you say to be fishy. You did notice in that article that you would be the troll, didn't you? As you say, if the cap fits.  | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. However if an employer uses their status as an employer to coerce employees to vote in any way the employer should be prosecuted and jailed. I am firmly pro Europe but having seen the dishonesty and scaremongering brokered by the remain camp I have decided to vote "OUT". With luck my vote will help topple this corrupt and unprincipled government!" | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. However if an employer uses their status as an employer to coerce employees to vote in any way the employer should be prosecuted and jailed. I am firmly pro Europe but having seen the dishonesty and scaremongering brokered by the remain camp I have decided to vote "OUT". With luck my vote will help topple this corrupt and unprincipled government!"
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"It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow. Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. I thought there was a fishy smell to this. The sea fisheries committees had to get their bye-laws approved by the secretary of state. That's the UK secretary of state in Westminster. If you were sending them to Brussels you were wasting the stamp. You might be able to blame the EU for a lot of things, but surely not your loss of memory? Interestingly enough if you'd tried to get through to the MEP's fisheries committee to complain about this, until not so long ago you could have tried to get one Nigel Farage onto the case since he was a member. In name and ability to collect the allowances anyway. He turned up for one out of 30 meetings. In that meeting there was an important vote on discards, the last vote of the day. Farage left before he could do his job. I expect he needed a pint - far more important than fisheries protection. One reform we could all contribute to - elect MEPs who are going to do something useful for the country, and the fisheries, rather than be a waste of space. Back to you Captain Birdseye In actual fact they went to MAFF in those days who in turn checked it out with the EU. Sorry if I took a short cut but it was still the EU who refused the byelaw. Apart from that I just love bringing out the pedant in you. In fact I sometimes wonder how you are so clued up on very minor detail. This is interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9845442/EU-to-set-up-euro-election-troll-patrol-to-tackle-Eurosceptic-surge.html Hmmm Makes one wonder. As a matter of fact it was the uk secretary of state acting under a 1966 uk act of parliament which wasn't repealed until the 1995 uk environment act. You keep on wondering. If it makes you think twice about any of your little fibs then it's worthwhile putting up with the slurs. If the cap fits
It would be a perfect deal for me to get paid for something I do for free and because I care about my country. Of course you had to raise my hopes with an out of date and inaccurate promise of remuneration for tracking eurosceptic trolls down. How typical of camp Brexit that is. I'll just have to carry on considering anything you say to be fishy.
You did notice in that article that you would be the troll, didn't you? As you say, if the cap fits.
""It makes sense for employers to say what impact it may have on them. Fishing was decimated because the sea was over fished - EU or not it would have been the same. Since France is only 20 odd miles away we are never going to be able to try and make our fishing limit any more then the 12 it was. Since we dont have a Navy we wont be able to enforce anything anyhow. Absolutely over fished but the EU has a hell of a lot to answer for. Firstly, and most importantly, the current quota system is an absolute disgrace. A system that requires fishing boats to chuck perfectly good fish over the side because their quota for that species is complete. Don't be under any illusions that these fish happily swim away. They Die and feed seagulls. A system that allows boats from other EU countries to fly a flag of convenience so they can fish the British (as well as their own) quota. A system that turns local sea fisheries committees (if they still exist) in to nothing more than a rubber stamping body for Brussels dictats. As an example I sat on one in the 1980's and we tried to pass a byelaw that would outlaw the use of "chain matrix" (mostly by Spanish beam trawlers at the time) in our area because of the ecological damage they were causing. We passed the byelaw but like everything it had to go to Brussels to be ratified. It came back refused and the use of chain matrix carried on for years (maybe it still does) France is just over 20 miles away at one very small part of the channel. For very nearly all its length it is much more than 20 odd miles. As for the Royal Navy comment. No argument. I thought there was a fishy smell to this. The sea fisheries committees had to get their bye-laws approved by the secretary of state. That's the UK secretary of state in Westminster. If you were sending them to Brussels you were wasting the stamp. You might be able to blame the EU for a lot of things, but surely not your loss of memory? Interestingly enough if you'd tried to get through to the MEP's fisheries committee to complain about this, until not so long ago you could have tried to get one Nigel Farage onto the case since he was a member. In name and ability to collect the allowances anyway. He turned up for one out of 30 meetings. In that meeting there was an important vote on discards, the last vote of the day. Farage left before he could do his job. I expect he needed a pint - far more important than fisheries protection. One reform we could all contribute to - elect MEPs who are going to do something useful for the country, and the fisheries, rather than be a waste of space. Back to you Captain Birdseye In actual fact they went to MAFF in those days who in turn checked it out with the EU. Sorry if I took a short cut but it was still the EU who refused the byelaw. Apart from that I just love bringing out the pedant in you. In fact I sometimes wonder how you are so clued up on very minor detail. This is interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9845442/EU-to-set-up-euro-election-troll-patrol-to-tackle-Eurosceptic-surge.html Hmmm Makes one wonder. As a matter of fact it was the uk secretary of state acting under a 1966 uk act of parliament which wasn't repealed until the 1995 uk environment act. You keep on wondering. If it makes you think twice about any of your little fibs then it's worthwhile putting up with the slurs. If the cap fits
It would be a perfect deal for me to get paid for something I do for free and because I care about my country. Of course you had to raise my hopes with an out of date and inaccurate promise of remuneration for tracking eurosceptic trolls down. How typical of camp Brexit that is. I'll just have to carry on considering anything you say to be fishy.
You did notice in that article that you would be the troll, didn't you? As you say, if the cap fits.
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"Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. However if an employer uses their status as an employer to coerce employees to vote in any way the employer should be prosecuted and jailed. I am firmly pro Europe but having seen the dishonesty and scaremongering brokered by the remain camp I have decided to vote "OUT". With luck my vote will help topple this corrupt and unprincipled government!
If Cameron loses this referendum I think he will be gone very shortly after June 24th. "Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your politics, whether we leave or stay, or whether Cameron leaves or stays, we'll still have a Conservative government until at least 2020. The referendum is far more important than being an issue of who leads the Tory party or even whether Labour or Conservatives run the government. Vote in the referendum on whether you want to be in the EU or not and nothing else because all else can and will change in 5 to 10 years either way. Leaving or staying in Europe is something we will all have live with for 40 years at least. | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. However if an employer uses their status as an employer to coerce employees to vote in any way the employer should be prosecuted and jailed. I am firmly pro Europe but having seen the dishonesty and scaremongering brokered by the remain camp I have decided to vote "OUT". With luck my vote will help topple this corrupt and unprincipled government!
If Cameron loses this referendum I think he will be gone very shortly after June 24th.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your politics, whether we leave or stay, or whether Cameron leaves or stays, we'll still have a Conservative government until at least 2020.
The referendum is far more important than being an issue of who leads the Tory party or even whether Labour or Conservatives run the government. Vote in the referendum on whether you want to be in the EU or not and nothing else because all else can and will change in 5 to 10 years either way. Leaving or staying in Europe is something we will all have live with for 40 years at least."Agreed, lets face it, within the conservative party there are far worse people who could come to make decisions of state on behalf of the working and middle classes. We are lucky Cameron isn't popular in his own party atm, and that a lot of Conservative rebels regular oppose him and occasionally side with labour. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " My pennies worth. Your vote should be your vote, you cast your vote to influence decisions that you feel would either be better for society, yourself, or both. Ideally as a result of weighing up all outcomes. However, if your company honestly really works better, or is restricted by the EU then I think your manager/boss can choose to inform you - if anything so you can prepare for potential negative impacts depending on how the vote goes.However it should be the straight facts, with as little attempt to dissuade/persuade and influence a vote which isn't your's. I draw the line however at employers out right saying "You should vote to "X" because I think it's better." Or even worse "Vote "X" else you get the sack." Though I'm not sure how people making the claim they are being blackmailed like that can explain how their employer would enforce the threat. Lets face it, all that says is, it works better for me. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " Whilst I don't think they should tell us what to do, I do think they should inform you of the outcome from their perspective. I know my employer had a contingency in place for the Scottish referendum, which basically said they would pull out. In this instance, employees deserve to know what will happen to their source of income. It's just another way of being as informed as possible when deciding your vote. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Whilst I don't think they should tell us what to do, I do think they should inform you of the outcome from their perspective. I know my employer had a contingency in place for the Scottish referendum, which basically said they would pull out. In this instance, employees deserve to know what will happen to their source of income. It's just another way of being as informed as possible when deciding your vote." Completely agreed. My employer has told me if we leave we will loose investment and a source of money, and so even though it is undecided as additional revenue may be granted by the government, we can expect potential redundancies to be made. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Whilst I don't think they should tell us what to do, I do think they should inform you of the outcome from their perspective. I know my employer had a contingency in place for the Scottish referendum, which basically said they would pull out. In this instance, employees deserve to know what will happen to their source of income. It's just another way of being as informed as possible when deciding your vote. Completely agreed. My employer has told me if we leave we will loose investment and a source of money, and so even though it is undecided as additional revenue may be granted by the government, we can expect potential redundancies to be made. " I bet he tells you you're well paid too | |||
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" I bet he tells you you're well paid too "And it's this type of flippant answer that does those on the leave side no favours. Because a leave result will inevitably lead to job losses You are talking about the jobs of real people and where I am glad you may not be affected have some regard and common curtesy for those who may | |||
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If Cameron loses this referendum I think he will be gone very shortly after June 24th.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your politics, whether we leave or stay, or whether Cameron leaves or stays, we'll still have a Conservative government until at least 2020.
The referendum is far more important than being an issue of who leads the Tory party or even whether Labour or Conservatives run the government. Vote in the referendum on whether you want to be in the EU or not and nothing else because all else can and will change in 5 to 10 years either way. Leaving or staying in Europe is something we will all have live with for 40 years at least.
Agreed, lets face it, within the conservative party there are far worse people who could come to make decisions of state on behalf of the working and middle classes. We are lucky Cameron isn't popular in his own party atm, and that a lot of Conservative rebels regular oppose him and occasionally side with labour."Actually he is quite popular with the more liberal inclined Conservatives, it's the more right wing Conservatives who don't like him that much because he's too liberal for them. If Cameron does leave after a BREXIT vote the chances are that it will be someone far more right wing than Cameron who takes over. So be careful what you wish for. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. Whilst I don't think they should tell us what to do, I do think they should inform you of the outcome from their perspective. I know my employer had a contingency in place for the Scottish referendum, which basically said they would pull out. In this instance, employees deserve to know what will happen to their source of income. It's just another way of being as informed as possible when deciding your vote. Completely agreed. My employer has told me if we leave we will loose investment and a source of money, and so even though it is undecided as additional revenue may be granted by the government, we can expect potential redundancies to be made. I bet he tells you you're well paid too "I am an academic reviewer and researcher so I get paid quite well compared to a lot of people my age. My employer openly admits I should be getting paid more, but they can't as anyone in the public service, education or academic sector has basically been in a 7 year 'pay freeze' due to poor government management of the economy. | |||
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"Everyone is entitled to express an opinion. However if an employer uses their status as an employer to coerce employees to vote in any way the employer should be prosecuted and jailed. I am firmly pro Europe but having seen the dishonesty and scaremongering brokered by the remain camp I have decided to vote "OUT". With luck my vote will help topple this corrupt and unprincipled government!
If Cameron loses this referendum I think he will be gone very shortly after June 24th.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your politics, whether we leave or stay, or whether Cameron leaves or stays, we'll still have a Conservative government until at least 2020.
The referendum is far more important than being an issue of who leads the Tory party or even whether Labour or Conservatives run the government. Vote in the referendum on whether you want to be in the EU or not and nothing else because all else can and will change in 5 to 10 years either way. Leaving or staying in Europe is something we will all have live with for 40 years at least.
Agreed, lets face it, within the conservative party there are far worse people who could come to make decisions of state on behalf of the working and middle classes. We are lucky Cameron isn't popular in his own party atm, and that a lot of Conservative rebels regular oppose him and occasionally side with labour.
Actually he is quite popular with the more liberal inclined Conservatives, it's the more right wing Conservatives who don't like him that much because he's too liberal for them. If Cameron does leave after a BREXIT vote the chances are that it will be someone far more right wing than Cameron who takes over. So be careful what you wish for."If that is in response to my section then that was what I was trying to get across, apologies if it was not clear. :P | |||
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"12 months ago the caMoron was telling us how he was going to stand up to the EU and if he did not get the deal he wanted for Britain then he would recommend that we leave. 12 months on from that "Call me (I stick my dick in dead pigs heads) Dave", having failed to win any of the major changes he was demanding (but managing to win a general election by cooking the election expenses books in the key marginal seats), the caMoron is saying that we must vote to stay in because it would be economic and defensive suicide to leave the EU. The man is a smarmy lying fraud and if he said it was raining I would go to the nearest window to check! The sooner we are rid of him and the pack of thieves he leads the better! " More importantly, the ones he sucks up to | |||
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"Airbus in Broughton Chester sent out a flyer stating that a leave vote could put at risk future investment at the site. Personally I agree with employers informing their staff as to the companies position if we leave as politicians seem incapable of putting forward any reasoned arguments either way. " Have a look at what happened to the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. While we are in the EU now the Ford Transit plant upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey, outside of the EU back in 2013 so they could cut costs. I just don't buy this idea that the EU protects jobs and investment. It clearly didn't for the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. | |||
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"Jobs HAVE disappeared in their tens of thousands because of the EU - either moved to cheaper countries or replaced here by cheaper labour from poorer EU countries in this country. Minimum wage zero hour contract jobs for unscrupulous coffee chains who pay no tax in this country are absolutely no loss. Why does a country with 2 and half million people unemployed need mass immigration ? We need a fundemental change away from big business dictating all aspects of our lives. Of course such a shift won't be easy but you are otherwise just submitting to the will of those who are saying they will punish you for disobeying them. Going alone is never going to be easy but is the only way to avoid being dictated to by others who want to change things to what suits them and not what we want." ............Well said. | |||
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"Airbus in Broughton Chester sent out a flyer stating that a leave vote could put at risk future investment at the site. Personally I agree with employers informing their staff as to the companies position if we leave as politicians seem incapable of putting forward any reasoned arguments either way. Have a look at what happened to the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. While we are in the EU now the Ford Transit plant upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey, outside of the EU back in 2013 so they could cut costs. I just don't buy this idea that the EU protects jobs and investment. It clearly didn't for the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. " they may not be able to protect jobs... but their investment certainly does help and the brand spanking new hitachi train factory 30 minutes away from me in newton aycliffe is great proof of that.... just as well you probably dont travel on trains... as the lovely shiney new high speed trains that will be flying up and down the east coast from london to scotland... and the high speed trains that will be flying from london to south wales and the south west of england would probably stick a lump in your throat
but then to counteract that.... let look at ryanair and michael leary....
i am no fan of him and his airline....
they announced this week they would like to employ 450 new staff at stansted airport..... however if the vote is a no, they may not employ that many as they may well have the move staff as european hubs would make more financial sence (remember the UK wouldn't be part of the "open skies" agreement anymore)
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"Airbus in Broughton Chester sent out a flyer stating that a leave vote could put at risk future investment at the site. Personally I agree with employers informing their staff as to the companies position if we leave as politicians seem incapable of putting forward any reasoned arguments either way. Have a look at what happened to the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. While we are in the EU now the Ford Transit plant upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey, outside of the EU back in 2013 so they could cut costs. I just don't buy this idea that the EU protects jobs and investment. It clearly didn't for the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. they may not be able to protect jobs... but their investment certainly does help and the brand spanking new hitachi train factory 30 minutes away from me in newton aycliffe is great proof of that.... just as well you probably dont travel on trains... as the lovely shiney new high speed trains that will be flying up and down the east coast from london to scotland... and the high speed trains that will be flying from london to south wales and the south west of england would probably stick a lump in your throat
but then to counteract that.... let look at ryanair and michael leary....
i am no fan of him and his airline....
they announced this week they would like to employ 450 new staff at stansted airport..... however if the vote is a no, they may not employ that many as they may well have the move staff as european hubs would make more financial sence (remember the UK wouldn't be part of the "open skies" agreement anymore)
if it not right that he tells his staff this?"Yet one of the fastest growing airlines in Europe is Norwegian. Turkish airlines seem to be doing OK as well. Being outside the EU doesn't seem to have done them any harm. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " They're not really telling you what to do are they, they've not forced you up against a wall and twisted your arm behind your back and said "vote to stay or else.." and even if they were how is that different from the government or the leave campaign telling you what to do? they're just giving you their view on the subject as they feel that a decision either way will an effect on the company, which as far as I can see just good business sense. | |||
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" but then to counteract that.... let look at ryanair and michael leary.... i am no fan of him and his airline.... they announced this week they would like to employ 450 new staff at stansted airport..... however if the vote is a no, they may not employ that many as they may well have the move staff as european hubs would make more financial sence (remember the UK wouldn't be part of the "open skies" agreement anymore) if it not right that he tells his staff this? Yet one of the fastest growing airlines in Europe is Norwegian. Turkish airlines seem to be doing OK as well. Being outside the EU doesn't seem to have done them any harm." that is not answering the point i was making, that is just deflecting....
if by voting one way or the other it could have an impact on someones job, do they not have the right to know?
is that not part of making an informed decision....
its not a case of the company saying "do as i say or you will be gone!"... it is a company saying if the vote goes a certain way there may be implications going forward"
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" but then to counteract that.... let look at ryanair and michael leary.... i am no fan of him and his airline.... they announced this week they would like to employ 450 new staff at stansted airport..... however if the vote is a no, they may not employ that many as they may well have the move staff as european hubs would make more financial sence (remember the UK wouldn't be part of the "open skies" agreement anymore) if it not right that he tells his staff this? Yet one of the fastest growing airlines in Europe is Norwegian. Turkish airlines seem to be doing OK as well. Being outside the EU doesn't seem to have done them any harm. that is not answering the point i was making, that is just deflecting....
if by voting one way or the other it could have an impact on someones job, do they not have the right to know?
is that not part of making an informed decision....
its not a case of the company saying "do as i say or you will be gone!"... it is a company saying if the vote goes a certain way there may be implications going forward"
if my job state could possibly change you are as sure as hell that I would want to know that!"I suppose it could be interpreted as "deflection" but my point is exactly how truthful are they being? They say that they would "like to" not that are going to. They say that they "may well" not that they will. Pointing out the success of Norwegian and Turkish airlines was to illustrate that it isn't necessary to be in the EU to run a successful airline. So how truthful are Ryanair being when they say that? It's a bit like Osbourne's house prices "could" drop 18% Everything in project fear is Could, possibly, maybe. | |||
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" but then to counteract that.... let look at ryanair and michael leary.... i am no fan of him and his airline.... they announced this week they would like to employ 450 new staff at stansted airport..... however if the vote is a no, they may not employ that many as they may well have the move staff as european hubs would make more financial sence (remember the UK wouldn't be part of the "open skies" agreement anymore) if it not right that he tells his staff this? Yet one of the fastest growing airlines in Europe is Norwegian. Turkish airlines seem to be doing OK as well. Being outside the EU doesn't seem to have done them any harm. that is not answering the point i was making, that is just deflecting....
if by voting one way or the other it could have an impact on someones job, do they not have the right to know?
is that not part of making an informed decision....
its not a case of the company saying "do as i say or you will be gone!"... it is a company saying if the vote goes a certain way there may be implications going forward"
if my job state could possibly change you are as sure as hell that I would want to know that!
I suppose it could be interpreted as "deflection" but my point is exactly how truthful are they being?
They say that they would "like to" not that are going to. They say that they "may well" not that they will.
Pointing out the success of Norwegian and Turkish airlines was to illustrate that it isn't necessary to be in the EU to run a successful airline.
So how truthful are Ryanair being when they say that?
It's a bit like Osbourne's house prices "could" drop 18%
Everything in project fear is Could, possibly, maybe."Plus Ryanair is a registered company in the Republic of Ireland, so the company will still be based in an EU country if the UK leaves the EU. | |||
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"Airbus in Broughton Chester sent out a flyer stating that a leave vote could put at risk future investment at the site. Personally I agree with employers informing their staff as to the companies position if we leave as politicians seem incapable of putting forward any reasoned arguments either way. Have a look at what happened to the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. While we are in the EU now the Ford Transit plant upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey, outside of the EU back in 2013 so they could cut costs. I just don't buy this idea that the EU protects jobs and investment. It clearly didn't for the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. " Quick point, the EU can't restrict where business moves to, only enforce the rights of EU workers such as minimum wage. You have to understand that the first and most important objective to business is to maximise profit and minimise expenditure. It's not that 'the customer is king.' So lets face it, if you were the head of an international company in this day and age, and driven by profit, you'd move as much production as possible to the place with low wage labour, and less labour unions along with a people less able to legally go on strike. | |||
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"Airbus in Broughton Chester sent out a flyer stating that a leave vote could put at risk future investment at the site. Personally I agree with employers informing their staff as to the companies position if we leave as politicians seem incapable of putting forward any reasoned arguments either way. Have a look at what happened to the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. While we are in the EU now the Ford Transit plant upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey, outside of the EU back in 2013 so they could cut costs. I just don't buy this idea that the EU protects jobs and investment. It clearly didn't for the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. Quick point, the EU can't restrict where business moves to, only enforce the rights of EU workers such as minimum wage. You have to understand that the first and most important objective to business is to maximise profit and minimise expenditure. It's not that 'the customer is king.' So lets face it, if you were the head of an international company in this day and age, and driven by profit, you'd move as much production as possible to the place with low wage labour, and less labour unions along with a people less able to legally go on strike." so why is anything made in the UK? | |||
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"Airbus in Broughton Chester sent out a flyer stating that a leave vote could put at risk future investment at the site. Personally I agree with employers informing their staff as to the companies position if we leave as politicians seem incapable of putting forward any reasoned arguments either way. Have a look at what happened to the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. While we are in the EU now the Ford Transit plant upped sticks and moved production over to Turkey, outside of the EU back in 2013 so they could cut costs. I just don't buy this idea that the EU protects jobs and investment. It clearly didn't for the Ford Transit plant in Southampton. Quick point, the EU can't restrict where business moves to, only enforce the rights of EU workers such as minimum wage. You have to understand that the first and most important objective to business is to maximise profit and minimise expenditure. It's not that 'the customer is king.' So lets face it, if you were the head of an international company in this day and age, and driven by profit, you'd move as much production as possible to the place with low wage labour, and less labour unions along with a people less able to legally go on strike." Actually, if you were a good business man you would want to move as much production as possible to the place with the highest productivity which, as Germany and Austria prove to the positive, and Italy, Spain and Greece prove to the negative, is not necessarily the country with the lowest wages. | |||
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" Yet one of the fastest growing airlines in Europe is Norwegian. Turkish airlines seem to be doing OK as well. Being outside the EU doesn't seem to have done them any harm " It seems that it was lucky for that Norwegian airline that Norway adopted EU directive 1008/2008 which gave it rights just like a real EU country to operate its airlines in Europe's single market for air transport. Could that help explain why the fastest growing airlines in Europe is Norwegian? | |||
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"On November 13, 1979 a newly appointed MP sent a letter to the Times pointing out all that was wrong with being members of the EEC (EU) and concluded by saying that Britain had only two realistic choices which were to reform it more to the UK's best interest or to leave. On June 15, 1983 a man campaigning to be elected to parliament wrote in his election address "we'll negotiate a withdrawal from the EEC, which has drained our natural resources and destroyed jobs". The first was John Major and the second Tony Blair. And now they are in support of the EU. Of course this was before they took their '30 pieces of silver'. The lying bastards" It would be more helpful to the discussion if you could actually provide some links to the actual contents of the letters so we could judge for ourselves what they actually said. Also, many who previously supported EEC membership 30 or 40 years ago now oppose it. Are they now all lying bastards to. (Margaret Thatcher pro EEC in 1975 but anti EU by 1992: Dr David Owen pro EEC/EU all his political career but now anti) Finally, have you never changed your own mind about anything in 30 to 40 years. If you have are you a lying bastard now or where you a lying bastard then. If you haven't then that probably says more about you than anything I could possibly say. | |||
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"Microsoft and Aviva have emailed staff to say staying is better. Wetherspoons : to leave. Mine has inferred should stay. I disagree with my employer telling us what to do. " who cares civil war is on the way get armed and stocked up | |||
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"On November 13, 1979 a newly appointed MP sent a letter to the Times pointing out all that was wrong with being members of the EEC (EU) and concluded by saying that Britain had only two realistic choices which were to reform it more to the UK's best interest or to leave. On June 15, 1983 a man campaigning to be elected to parliament wrote in his election address "we'll negotiate a withdrawal from the EEC, which has drained our natural resources and destroyed jobs". The first was John Major and the second Tony Blair. And now they are in support of the EU. Of course this was before they took their '30 pieces of silver'. The lying bastards It would be more helpful to the discussion if you could actually provide some links to the actual contents of the letters so we could judge for ourselves what they actually said. Also, many who previously supported EEC membership 30 or 40 years ago now oppose it. Are they now all lying bastards to. (Margaret Thatcher pro EEC in 1975 but anti EU by 1992: Dr David Owen pro EEC/EU all his political career but now anti) Finally, have you never changed your own mind about anything in 30 to 40 years. If you have are you a lying bastard now or where you a lying bastard then. If you haven't then that probably says more about you than anything I could possibly say. " Why would it be helpful if what people said 30 years ago didn't matter? Find the links yourself. Yes you gave examples of 2 people who changed their minds on the EU but changed them the other way. The two I mentioned probably haven't changed their minds from 30 years ago but if they have should have kept their mouths shut to avoid accusations of lying and corruption. After all, Blair and Major have never lied about anything have they? | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain A former leader of the SNP was on BBC Question Time last Thursday supporting Brexit and recommending a leave vote for Scotland. It would really help the Scottish fishing industry if we leave the EU when Scotland can reclaim it's territorial waters in the north Sea. whet and go back to the days of the cod wars ..fishing quotas could equally be cut after brexit ..lets spend millions having to protect fishing fleet shall we as we did in the seventies another bright idea from brexiters NOT" Better to spend millions protecting this country than billions protecting the EU. | |||
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"On November 13, 1979 a newly appointed MP sent a letter to the Times pointing out all that was wrong with being members of the EEC (EU) and concluded by saying that Britain had only two realistic choices which were to reform it more to the UK's best interest or to leave. On June 15, 1983 a man campaigning to be elected to parliament wrote in his election address "we'll negotiate a withdrawal from the EEC, which has drained our natural resources and destroyed jobs". The first was John Major and the second Tony Blair. And now they are in support of the EU. Of course this was before they took their '30 pieces of silver'. The lying bastards It would be more helpful to the discussion if you could actually provide some links to the actual contents of the letters so we could judge for ourselves what they actually said. Also, many who previously supported EEC membership 30 or 40 years ago now oppose it. Are they now all lying bastards to. (Margaret Thatcher pro EEC in 1975 but anti EU by 1992: Dr David Owen pro EEC/EU all his political career but now anti) Finally, have you never changed your own mind about anything in 30 to 40 years. If you have are you a lying bastard now or where you a lying bastard then. If you haven't then that probably says more about you than anything I could possibly say. Why would it be helpful if what people said 30 years ago didn't matter? Find the links yourself. Yes you gave examples of 2 people who changed their minds on the EU but changed them the other way. The two I mentioned probably haven't changed their minds from 30 years ago but if they have should have kept their mouths shut to avoid accusations of lying and corruption. After all, Blair and Major have never lied about anything have they?" It'd be interesting to get your answer to the question. Have you changed your mind about anything in the last 30 to 40 years? If you had would that make you a lying bastard? | |||
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" Scotland and Wakes can't " join the EU" if UK leaves; they are part of the UK; and do what the rest of the U.K. does . They don't have an option, until they have their own referendum ( again ) on independence from UK. SNP think it is a done deal that Scotland, especially snp members will vote to remain!!! I am an snp member who is voting to leave and still to find one person in local pubs who is actually voting to remain A former leader of the SNP was on BBC Question Time last Thursday supporting Brexit and recommending a leave vote for Scotland. It would really help the Scottish fishing industry if we leave the EU when Scotland can reclaim it's territorial waters in the north Sea. whet and go back to the days of the cod wars ..fishing quotas could equally be cut after brexit ..lets spend millions having to protect fishing fleet shall we as we did in the seventies another bright idea from brexiters NOT Better to spend millions protecting this country than billions protecting the EU. " True | |||
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"On November 13, 1979 a newly appointed MP sent a letter to the Times pointing out all that was wrong with being members of the EEC (EU) and concluded by saying that Britain had only two realistic choices which were to reform it more to the UK's best interest or to leave. On June 15, 1983 a man campaigning to be elected to parliament wrote in his election address "we'll negotiate a withdrawal from the EEC, which has drained our natural resources and destroyed jobs". The first was John Major and the second Tony Blair. And now they are in support of the EU. Of course this was before they took their '30 pieces of silver'. The lying bastards It would be more helpful to the discussion if you could actually provide some links to the actual contents of the letters so we could judge for ourselves what they actually said. Also, many who previously supported EEC membership 30 or 40 years ago now oppose it. Are they now all lying bastards to. (Margaret Thatcher pro EEC in 1975 but anti EU by 1992: Dr David Owen pro EEC/EU all his political career but now anti) Finally, have you never changed your own mind about anything in 30 to 40 years. If you have are you a lying bastard now or where you a lying bastard then. If you haven't then that probably says more about you than anything I could possibly say. Why would it be helpful if what people said 30 years ago didn't matter? Find the links yourself. Yes you gave examples of 2 people who changed their minds on the EU but changed them the other way. The two I mentioned probably haven't changed their minds from 30 years ago but if they have should have kept their mouths shut to avoid accusations of lying and corruption. After all, Blair and Major have never lied about anything have they? It'd be interesting to get your answer to the question. Have you changed your mind about anything in the last 30 to 40 years? If you had would that make you a lying bastard? " What makes you think they have changed their minds? Other than your naivety on the whole EU issue | |||
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"On November 13, 1979 a newly appointed MP sent a letter to the Times pointing out all that was wrong with being members of the EEC (EU) and concluded by saying that Britain had only two realistic choices which were to reform it more to the UK's best interest or to leave. On June 15, 1983 a man campaigning to be elected to parliament wrote in his election address "we'll negotiate a withdrawal from the EEC, which has drained our natural resources and destroyed jobs". The first was John Major and the second Tony Blair. And now they are in support of the EU. Of course this was before they took their '30 pieces of silver'. The lying bastards It would be more helpful to the discussion if you could actually provide some links to the actual contents of the letters so we could judge for ourselves what they actually said. Also, many who previously supported EEC membership 30 or 40 years ago now oppose it. Are they now all lying bastards to. (Margaret Thatcher pro EEC in 1975 but anti EU by 1992: Dr David Owen pro EEC/EU all his political career but now anti) Finally, have you never changed your own mind about anything in 30 to 40 years. If you have are you a lying bastard now or where you a lying bastard then. If you haven't then that probably says more about you than anything I could possibly say. Why would it be helpful if what people said 30 years ago didn't matter? Find the links yourself. Yes you gave examples of 2 people who changed their minds on the EU but changed them the other way. The two I mentioned probably haven't changed their minds from 30 years ago but if they have should have kept their mouths shut to avoid accusations of lying and corruption. After all, Blair and Major have never lied about anything have they? It'd be interesting to get your answer to the question. Have you changed your mind about anything in the last 30 to 40 years? If you had would that make you a lying bastard? What makes you think they have changed their minds? Other than your naivety on the whole EU issue" I was totally wrong. It wasn't at all interesting. It only succeeded in showing your total inability to answer a straightforward question with even a halfway relevant answer. | |||
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