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By *erryg OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

denton

receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Take a breath!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Part of me thinks if they are paying then they set the dress code. Part of the conditions of employment. Men probably have to wear a tie, but don't always want to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's rite that she should stick to her professional dresscode. My bro wouldn't get away with ditchin his wig in court. Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Part of me thinks if they are paying then they set the dress code. Part of the conditions of employment. Men probably have to wear a tie, but don't always want to. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heeled shoes are not a part of health and safety. Heels make women more attractive to men. There are flat shoes that look smart with a skirt. I wonder if this company employs fat people who don't look good in pencil skirts or suits. Imagine a man getting sent home because his belly hangs over his belt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heeled shoes are not a part of health and safety. Heels make women more attractive to men. There are flat shoes that look smart with a skirt. I wonder if this company employs fat people who don't look good in pencil skirts or suits. Imagine a man getting sent home because his belly hangs over his belt. "

The women took the job knowing the dress code. End of story really. Been offered quite a few office jobs but won't take them because I don't want to wear and suit and tie. Simples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always wear my heels for work I run up and down stairs all day in them, but then I do love my heels lol x

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Forcing women to wear heels is bollocks. It doesn't affect her ability to do the job. Tie vs no tie can be seen as professional or not, but heels vs flats is a load of crap.

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By *iercedItMan
over a year ago

North West

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I think it's wrong to send her home for not wearing heels. All that should be required is to look smart, tidy and professional.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you accept a job with term and conditions, dress codes, performance figures then so be it.

If you don't like you job quit and quit whining.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Heeled shoes are not a part of health and safety. Heels make women more attractive to men. There are flat shoes that look smart with a skirt. I wonder if this company employs fat people who don't look good in pencil skirts or suits. Imagine a man getting sent home because his belly hangs over his belt.

The women took the job knowing the dress code. End of story really. Been offered quite a few office jobs but won't take them because I don't want to wear and suit and tie. Simples. "

well since you have stated 'end of' I guess that's the end of the debate!

work dress codes are to ensure uniformity, to protect and to identify surely? what is the functional requirement for uncomfortable high heels. this smacks of HR twattery.

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By *r Man.Man
over a year ago

London

If a woman came into my bed wearing flats instead of heels I'd send her home as well.

JOKE!!!!!

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By *iercedItMan
over a year ago

North West

Actually that story isn't relevant here as it's it gender specific, so I deleted it.

As a man, you can be forced to shave as part of the dress code, I've turned work down for this. A dress code is a dress code.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees, or are you simply employing people to look pretty. Not OK in 2016. Tidy, smart footwear should be the only requirement.

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By *erryg OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

denton

some companies have weight rules, ie oil rigs etc, if someone is lying injured and needs to carried out, a 20 stone man carried on a stretcher up staircases, puts others at risk

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I wouldn't last 5 mins in the job then lol. I can't wear heels for long periods of time and tend to feel like the jolly green giant in them. I'm lucky where I work we have a casual but smart dress code but tend to rock up to work in my converse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"some companies have weight rules, ie oil rigs etc, if someone is lying injured and needs to carried out, a 20 stone man carried on a stretcher up staircases, puts others at risk"

yes but that's specific to the function of the job, like having a 4ft, 6stone fire fighter isn't going to work. shoes, bit different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"some companies have weight rules, ie oil rigs etc, if someone is lying injured and needs to carried out, a 20 stone man carried on a stretcher up staircases, puts others at risk"

That's a health and safety issue though. If anything heels can be a risk to health and safety. Quite regularly see ankle inversion injuries in A&E due to women falling off their heeled shoes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am so torn on this. I really don't like it, but...

Some baseball teams in the US require all of their players to shave and not have any face piercings.

Some clothing companies require employees to only wear clothes that the company sells in its stores.

Some clothing companies are famous for putting shirtless young men with six packs in front of their stores.

As a woman I cringe at the idea of being required to wear heels at work but then I'm not sure there isn't precedent for it, as shown above.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

As long as she projects a positive image for the company, I can't see how what she wears has any impact upon how she does her job.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees, or are you simply employing people to look pretty. Not OK in 2016. Tidy, smart footwear should be the only requirement. "

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees, or are you simply employing people to look pretty. Not OK in 2016. Tidy, smart footwear should be the only requirement. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fine this hard to believe this is even in the news, surely they has to be more important things going on in the world then a ladies shoes

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By *ny1localMan
over a year ago

READING

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The company in question has now reversed its policy. Smart flat shoes are now acceptable. Quite right, too.

It is, by the way, a health and safety issue, too. Constant wearing of high heels has been shown to lead to spinal issues.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"Heeled shoes are not a part of health and safety. Heels make women more attractive to men. There are flat shoes that look smart with a skirt. I wonder if this company employs fat people who don't look good in pencil skirts or suits. Imagine a man getting sent home because his belly hangs over his belt. "

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By *atietvsheffTV/TS
over a year ago

Sheffield

I bet the same company would have sacked a guy turning up in a skirt and high heels, all a load of crap, as long as the employee looks smart and professional and in keeping with the spirit of "their law" not the "letter of their law" then no woman should be forced to wear high heels, and that's coming from a TV with over 50 pairs of the said delicious wonderful articles to totter around in. Many women are unable to wear them normally let alone those for medical reasons whose wearing would cause further physical damage to their muscels and bone structure. Can you imagine if women were forced to only wear stockings and no tights to work what outcry that would cause as well, it's the 21st century FFS lets get real. Women being forced to wear high heels what's next gay people being allowed to marry?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ridiculous to tell a woman she has to wear heels for work. I understand a general smart look but it's not as if she turned up wearing scruffy trainers she just wanted to wear flat shoes.

I personally couldn't wear heels all day although I know some women can.

Thankfully the firm have reversed its policy.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york


"Fine this hard to believe this is even in the news, surely they has to be more important things going on in the world then a ladies shoes "
You might not say that if you had to wear them all day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database"
is high heels PPE I think not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely ridiculous. Tidy and smart is enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they want people to wear a specific dress code then they should either supply them or fund the buying of said dress code items ?

Think that high heels is an accident waiting to happen?

If she had a fall and blamed the heels would the company pay up ?

Or fight it ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's ridiculous.

A dress code is acceptable if you have a front of house job but to demand heels is totally unacceptable.

If she turned up in converse , sorry chop chops, then I can see their point. But smart flat shoes are more than fine.

Outdated and I'm glad the firm have amended their policy.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

They will never win this. Not in a million years.

That is all.

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By *AA123Couple
over a year ago

Lichfield

The outsourcing company Portico tried to brush it under the carpet but it blew up in their face and the company PwC that outsourced the employment selection found themselves exposed too so they probably gave Portico a roasting.

They were guidelines as they knew they weren't legally enforceable. 99% of time they got away with it, then their luck ran out.

Much as I love heels it was never going to be a defendable work wear item.

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By *erryg OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

denton


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common databaseis high heels PPE I think not "
never said they were but i wouldnt like it if i turned up to international company, and greeted by someone in a tracksuit looking like vicky pollard, as for PPE some companies go OTT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i'd wear them on my fucking head and walk round barefoot.

hate uniforms, i get that they're needed to look 'professional' but they need some leeway sometimes for comfort reasons.

my daughter came home from school tuesday complaining about being too hot, she has to wear a blazer in this weather. stupid policy imo, and it might even affect her health also by being so overheated all day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cant wear heels for long periods, if at all. I just can't walk in the bloody things, doesn't matter the inch!! I guess I wouldn't get the job then!!

Each firm had their own dress code but they should take into consideration that some people may not be able to wear heels, I don't really get why it's part of the dress code as long as they are smart shoes and not trainers or something!! Safety is better that some poor woman having aching calves or something if they find it an issue but then I guess (I'm

Not saying all larger women can't) if your the larger frame and they are so set on heels, larger ladies probably wouldn't fit the bill anyway

G x

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow


"If a woman came into my bed wearing flats instead of heels I'd send her home as well.

JOKE!!!!! "

Lol when I read the article earliar in the week I did think the same

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I was once asked for a dress-code by a temp agency for a public-facing role. I think it was possibly the hardest question I ever had to field. This is what went through my mind:

Man: smart black shoes, smart trousers, long-sleeved shirt with collar, tie.

Woman: trousers ok, ooh, but are we allowed to say not too skin-tight. Oh, and not those new hipster ones that show off their thong when they bend over, or worse. Skirt, what length would be 'normal'? Do I have to measure it? Need I specify no side split right up to the waist? (I did). Surely I don't need to worry about fishnet stockings? (I did). Blouse, right, are we allowed to specify how many buttons are undone? Or how see-through it is? Do we need to consider underwear? Surely as 'under'wear it should never be visible. Omg footwear, wtf.....

Naturally I went with "I presume you have something standard you could fax over for me to approve". Then gave it a cursory glance. Which is what I suspect happened here.

Mr ddc

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

What I did find odd about this specific case, was why specify a minimum heel height?

What if they sent you one of those tall birds like Josie? Surely you'd want the flexibility to be able to say "you must always wear flats, bend your knees slightly when standing up, and sit in a chair with shorter legs than your manager so he doesn't feel so self-conscious about being a short-arse"

Isn't that right?

Mr ddc

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury


"Heeled shoes are not a part of health and safety."

That depends on your work environment, the job your doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a woman came into my bed wearing flats instead of heels I'd send her home as well.

JOKE!!!!!

Lol when I read the article earliar in the week I did think the same

"

Really? I always wear flats during the day x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right. Heels should be the law for all women

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database"

Clear gender discrimination in my view. And what if, like me, she had arthritis in her knees. O couldn't wear even 2 inch heels all week. I'd be crucified by the pain.

Fucking PWC. Get into the 21st century.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database

Clear gender discrimination in my view. And what if, like me, she had arthritis in her knees. O couldn't wear even 2 inch heels all week. I'd be crucified by the pain.

Fucking PWC. Get into the 21st century. "

'I'

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow


"If a woman came into my bed wearing flats instead of heels I'd send her home as well.

JOKE!!!!!

Lol when I read the article earliar in the week I did think the same

Really? I always wear flats during the day x"

That's OK as long as your not wearing them in bed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database"

#1st world problems.

Am sure someone living under the threat of beheading and rape in some village somewhere is probably very shocked at this horrific story.

No doubt she will get a gob load of money for breaking her human rights and so on....

Meanwhile back in the real world, some of us are happy just to have a job.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy."

Company policy means nothing if theres not a genuine reason for it being in the policy. If you can argue its a stupid rule then you can yes xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a woman came into my bed wearing flats instead of heels I'd send her home as well.

JOKE!!!!!

Lol when I read the article earliar in the week I did think the same

Really? I always wear flats during the day x

That's OK as long as your not wearing them in bed "

Well you would know

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I've read MORE than half way down.

Apologies if someone said this on the ones I haven't read.

The company were out of order.

What they were doing is illegal AS..... they don't insist that men wear heels and therefore shouldn't insist that women do.

I'm amazed none of the above posters realise this.

It's gender discriminatory.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy."

Do the men wear heels ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database

#1st world problems.

Am sure someone living under the threat of beheading and rape in some village somewhere is probably very shocked at this horrific story.

No doubt she will get a gob load of money for breaking her human rights and so on....

Meanwhile back in the real world, some of us are happy just to have a job. "

Yeah. I think if they wanted to bind womens feet like the Japanese used to we should be happy about it and just get on.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy.

Do the men wear heels ?"

Most smart men's shoes have heels, so yes.

You wouldn't want them wearing deck shoes

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Fine this hard to believe this is even in the news, surely they has to be more important things going on in the world then a ladies shoes "

Yes. Lot's more important things than 'ladies' shoes....

Like discrimination for example

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy.

Do the men wear heels ?

Most smart men's shoes have heels, so yes.

You wouldn't want them wearing deck shoes"

Well yes Mr D. but no one insists that men wear 2" to 4" heels... not the natural virtually flat thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There only 2"

I've been to plenty of raves in higher heels than that

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By *erryg OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

denton


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy.

Do the men wear heels ?"

men will be expected to wear ties, years ago even manual workers wore ties, my dad was a foreman in a factory he wore a tie. air stewardess wear uniform tights or stockings even in hot climates, they normally wear low heels as they are on their feet, as i said before receptionist could slip her shoes off under desk, as most sit and answer phone, and deal with visitors, put shoes on when leave desk, 2inch heels are not to bad on the feet, 4 inch can be hard work

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy."

If company policy is proven to be breaking current UK legislation it means nothing.

Fuck company policy - that's not law and they are taking the piss.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I've read MORE than half way down.

Apologies if someone said this on the ones I haven't read.

The company were out of order.

What they were doing is illegal AS..... they don't insist that men wear heels and therefore shouldn't insist that women do.

I'm amazed none of the above posters realise this.

It's gender discriminatory.

"

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy.

Do the men wear heels ?men will be expected to wear ties, years ago even manual workers wore ties, my dad was a foreman in a factory he wore a tie. air stewardess wear uniform tights or stockings even in hot climates, they normally wear low heels as they are on their feet, as i said before receptionist could slip her shoes off under desk, as most sit and answer phone, and deal with visitors, put shoes on when leave desk, 2inch heels are not to bad on the feet, 4 inch can be hard work"

Maybes.. but I asked if the men wore heels.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy.

Do the men wear heels ?men will be expected to wear ties, years ago even manual workers wore ties, my dad was a foreman in a factory he wore a tie. air stewardess wear uniform tights or stockings even in hot climates, they normally wear low heels as they are on their feet, as i said before receptionist could slip her shoes off under desk, as most sit and answer phone, and deal with visitors, put shoes on when leave desk, 2inch heels are not to bad on the feet, 4 inch can be hard work

Maybes.. but I asked if the men wore heels. "

Two inches are bad when it's only women being made to wear them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No offence people but a lot of drivel has been posted on the subject.

Let's be clear, the job they wanted her to do was 'flirt with our sad middle aged male clients as you meet and greet them. You don't actually need to suck them off, just give them impression you would so they look forward to heir next visit here instead of deloitte'.

The issue is that she turned up for a real job and expected to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat. Out-fucking-rageous.

It's great that so many men are defending the companies right to objectify women, I certainly look forward to having my wife and daughters given token roles in big companies if they show a bit of flesh for the management.

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By *kgeminiMan
over a year ago

Southampton

Has it been said anywhere what shoes she was wearing? E.g were they smart flats or scabby old trainers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't get why a receptionist would need to wear heels. There working behind a desk most the day. Nobody even sees there shoes. Surely!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has it been said anywhere what shoes she was wearing? E.g were they smart flats or scabby old trainers?"

If you had to guess?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Has it been said anywhere what shoes she was wearing? E.g were they smart flats or scabby old trainers?"

Have you not read the O.P?

She was sent home for not wearing HEELS.

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over a year ago


"Has it been said anywhere what shoes she was wearing? E.g were they smart flats or scabby old trainers?

Have you not read the O.P?

She was sent home for not wearing HEELS."

That him TOLD granny

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"No offence people but a lot of drivel has been posted on the subject.

Let's be clear, the job they wanted her to do was 'flirt with our sad middle aged male clients as you meet and greet them. You don't actually need to suck them off, just give them impression you would so they look forward to heir next visit here instead of deloitte'.

The issue is that she turned up for a real job and expected to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat. Out-fucking-rageous.

It's great that so many men are defending the companies right to objectify women, I certainly look forward to having my wife and daughters given token roles in big companies if they show a bit of flesh for the management."

Fuck me, we actually agree on something.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence people but a lot of drivel has been posted on the subject.

Let's be clear, the job they wanted her to do was 'flirt with our sad middle aged male clients as you meet and greet them. You don't actually need to suck them off, just give them impression you would so they look forward to heir next visit here instead of deloitte'.

The issue is that she turned up for a real job and expected to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat. Out-fucking-rageous.

It's great that so many men are defending the companies right to objectify women, I certainly look forward to having my wife and daughters given token roles in big companies if they show a bit of flesh for the management.

Fuck me, we actually agree on something. "

Thanks for the back handed compliment...

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"No offence people but a lot of drivel has been posted on the subject.

Let's be clear, the job they wanted her to do was 'flirt with our sad middle aged male clients as you meet and greet them. You don't actually need to suck them off, just give them impression you would so they look forward to heir next visit here instead of deloitte'.

The issue is that she turned up for a real job and expected to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat. Out-fucking-rageous.

It's great that so many men are defending the companies right to objectify women, I certainly look forward to having my wife and daughters given token roles in big companies if they show a bit of flesh for the management.

Fuck me, we actually agree on something.

Thanks for the back handed compliment..."

It wasn't a back handed anything. I'm many things, but bitchy isn't one of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence people but a lot of drivel has been posted on the subject.

Let's be clear, the job they wanted her to do was 'flirt with our sad middle aged male clients as you meet and greet them. You don't actually need to suck them off, just give them impression you would so they look forward to heir next visit here instead of deloitte'.

The issue is that she turned up for a real job and expected to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat. Out-fucking-rageous.

It's great that so many men are defending the companies right to objectify women, I certainly look forward to having my wife and daughters given token roles in big companies if they show a bit of flesh for the management.

Fuck me, we actually agree on something.

Thanks for the back handed compliment...

It wasn't a back handed anything. I'm many things, but bitchy isn't one of them. "

This whole story reminded me of that episode in the IT crowd when Jen applies for the role of events manager...

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

This whole story reminded me of that episode in the IT crowd when Jen applies for the role of events manager... "

"HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, it's not for *you*, Jen"

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"No offence people but a lot of drivel has been posted on the subject.

Let's be clear, the job they wanted her to do was 'flirt with our sad middle aged male clients as you meet and greet them. You don't actually need to suck them off, just give them impression you would so they look forward to heir next visit here instead of deloitte'.

The issue is that she turned up for a real job and expected to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat. Out-fucking-rageous.

It's great that so many men are defending the companies right to objectify women, I certainly look forward to having my wife and daughters given token roles in big companies if they show a bit of flesh for the management.

Fuck me, we actually agree on something.

Thanks for the back handed compliment...

It wasn't a back handed anything. I'm many things, but bitchy isn't one of them.

This whole story reminded me of that episode in the IT crowd when Jen applies for the role of events manager... "

I don't have a TV, but I, like you hope my daughter doesn't have to pander to this mysogynistic bullshit when she is old enough to join the workforce.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Not read it all but it sounds shit or funny, can't tell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No offence people but a lot of drivel has been posted on the subject.

Let's be clear, the job they wanted her to do was 'flirt with our sad middle aged male clients as you meet and greet them. You don't actually need to suck them off, just give them impression you would so they look forward to heir next visit here instead of deloitte'.

The issue is that she turned up for a real job and expected to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat. Out-fucking-rageous.

It's great that so many men are defending the companies right to objectify women, I certainly look forward to having my wife and daughters given token roles in big companies if they show a bit of flesh for the management.

Fuck me, we actually agree on something.

Thanks for the back handed compliment...

It wasn't a back handed anything. I'm many things, but bitchy isn't one of them.

This whole story reminded me of that episode in the IT crowd when Jen applies for the role of events manager...

I don't have a TV, but I, like you hope my daughter doesn't have to pander to this mysogynistic bullshit when she is old enough to join the workforce. "

Every man has a mother, most have wives and quite a lot have daughters. It's completely against our self interest to tolerate this bullshit.

There are some sad men who think women are there to brighten up the place and those people need to change their attitude or take early retirement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees "

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

"

And their shoes have some bearing on this?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

"

I started out on reception and have recruited and employed many receptionists. That initial impression isn't just about being clean and well presented but about attitude and aptitude.

As to requirement to wear heels it's nonsense. Smart, flat shoes (similar to men's brogues) would be fine but this case is about something else.

I'd rather be able to do my job without crippling my feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

"

Anyone that knows how to run an organisation properly treats anyone working there with a baseline level of respect.

Whether she is highly skilled or not is irrelevant.

It was often said of Sir Alex Ferguson that he knew the names of everyone at Old Trafford from the cleaners and dinner ladies to the youth team players. He spoke to all of them and drove a culture that kept the lid on the egos of people that would otherwise act like divas and destroy the spirit of the place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

And their shoes have some bearing on this?"

Did i say that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

Anyone that knows how to run an organisation properly treats anyone working there with a baseline level of respect.

Whether she is highly skilled or not is irrelevant.

It was often said of Sir Alex Ferguson that he knew the names of everyone at Old Trafford from the cleaners and dinner ladies to the youth team players. He spoke to all of them and drove a culture that kept the lid on the egos of people that would otherwise act like divas and destroy the spirit of the place. "

Damn those diva dinner ladies...

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

And their shoes have some bearing on this?

Did i say that?"

Whats your point, then?

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By *erryg OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

denton

my brother said men wore cuban heels in the early sixties, they were 2 inch, and he was told not to come to school in them again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

"

'Unskilled labour'? I don't know a single receptionist who isn't degree educated, hasn't high level communication and diplomatic skills and aren't well versed in every aspect of the company/organisation. You honestly think that corporations select people 'without skills' to be their most public face? That's rather ignorant of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"my brother said men wore cuban heels in the early sixties, they were 2 inch, and he was told not to come to school in them again"

I still have a pair of Cuban heeled boots.

I look rather fetching in them.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database"

Quite disgusting

some people forget,feminist are the only people,who have the right to dictate,what other females wear.

TUT tut tut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when I ran a team I got into a shit storm of agro over dress code for insisting no lose clothing e.g. ties or necklaces and arms bare from the elbow down when working.

The policy had good reason, for safety of both the staff and the kit we worked on. but a female employee decided it was sexist to insist on no sleeves and I spent 10's of hours in meetings because of her objection.

All it achieved was me giving her shit desk based work, and having to fight very hard against my prejudice when interviewing women in the future.

Dress code is silly, but some people have no common sense, so rules get written. If the code exists when you take the job then just stick to it, if there is a part of th code that is wrong discuss it with the manager, but don't ignore it then go to the press / mp etc.

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By *ubbykittenWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Don't air hostesses have to wear heels before take off and after landing? I notice they change to flats during the flight. I think they also have to wear make up etc..

I seem to recall reading something about this being part of their dress code but I may be wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"when I ran a team I got into a shit storm of agro over dress code for insisting no lose clothing e.g. ties or necklaces and arms bare from the elbow down when working.

The policy had good reason, for safety of both the staff and the kit we worked on. but a female employee decided it was sexist to insist on no sleeves and I spent 10's of hours in meetings because of her objection.

All it achieved was me giving her shit desk based work, and having to fight very hard against my prejudice when interviewing women in the future.

Dress code is silly, but some people have no common sense, so rules get written. If the code exists when you take the job then just stick to it, if there is a part of th code that is wrong discuss it with the manager, but don't ignore it then go to the press / mp etc. "

Why would it be sexist not to have sleeves?

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"receptionist at a top firm sent home with no pay for not wearing heels, they gave her the choice of 2inch heels, this is now to be debated in parliment. two sides to this some firms have dress code, and should have been aware of this, she is on a 9 hr shift but i doubt if she walked the full shift, reception is usually a seated position, and if it was me wearing heels slip them off under the desk. some building firms insist you wear hats gloves etc, even in a open field, BT sack people if they dont wear a hard hat even if working in the street connecting in a pavement box there is no risk of falling objects except bird shit. she could end up on a blacklist as some major companies have a common database

Quite disgusting

some people forget,feminist are the only people,who have the right to dictate,what other females wear.

TUT tut tut.

"

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By *mmaNandyCouple
over a year ago

wolvo

Now I'm against it think just wrong I understand dress codes Ect but heals or no heals. I love wearing mine but have be very careful due to back problems. So what happens then if you have a disability which does not effect you being able to do the job but you can't wear heals which doesn't not effect health and safety ect would this then come under discrimination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The company in question has now reversed its policy. Smart flat shoes are now acceptable. Quite right, too.

It is, by the way, a health and safety issue, too. Constant wearing of high heels has been shown to lead to spinal issues."

Best post on thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"when I ran a team I got into a shit storm of agro over dress code for insisting no lose clothing e.g. ties or necklaces and arms bare from the elbow down when working.

The policy had good reason, for safety of both the staff and the kit we worked on. but a female employee decided it was sexist to insist on no sleeves and I spent 10's of hours in meetings because of her objection.

All it achieved was me giving her shit desk based work, and having to fight very hard against my prejudice when interviewing women in the future.

Dress code is silly, but some people have no common sense, so rules get written. If the code exists when you take the job then just stick to it, if there is a part of th code that is wrong discuss it with the manager, but don't ignore it then go to the press / mp etc.

Why would it be sexist not to have sleeves? "

I know! especially when the policy applied to both men and women. and I did eventually win the point, but the ride was not comfortable.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire

Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"when I ran a team I got into a shit storm of agro over dress code for insisting no lose clothing e.g. ties or necklaces and arms bare from the elbow down when working.

The policy had good reason, for safety of both the staff and the kit we worked on. but a female employee decided it was sexist to insist on no sleeves and I spent 10's of hours in meetings because of her objection.

All it achieved was me giving her shit desk based work, and having to fight very hard against my prejudice when interviewing women in the future.

Dress code is silly, but some people have no common sense, so rules get written. If the code exists when you take the job then just stick to it, if there is a part of th code that is wrong discuss it with the manager, but don't ignore it then go to the press / mp etc. "

Just because she said it was sexist doesn't make it so.

Your bosses gave her ' desk work' for her own safety.

I'd say your bosses are at fault , not her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!"

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"If it is uniform policy, can she actually do anything.

The place I work has started enforcing the girls to wear heels, when they complain it is mentioned that it company policy.

Company policy means nothing if theres not a genuine reason for it being in the policy. If you can argue its a stupid rule then you can yes xx"

But if you are a trolley dolly then you are expected to wear heels, as it is company image.

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By *kgeminiMan
over a year ago

Southampton


"Has it been said anywhere what shoes she was wearing? E.g were they smart flats or scabby old trainers?

Have you not read the O.P?

She was sent home for not wearing HEELS.

That him TOLD granny "

Yes I saw that she was sent home for not wearing heels. I was asking what type flat shoes was she wearing

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win...."

...and lose of course.

In the world of Google, who needs a blacklist when your one moment of fame, and name, is in the public domain forever.

(I wonder how Charlotte Proudman is getting on with her job-hunting....)

Mr ddc

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

wish i could wear heels all day at work .

they dont have to hurt your feet if your wear decent fitting ones ,have spent 10 hours in mine with no trouble .

some women dont realise how lucky they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I worked for an employer who tried to force me to wear heels I'd be going straight to the union and then to the doctor. I wouldn't risk my knees or achillies tendons for any job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If I worked for an employer who tried to force me to wear heels I'd be going straight to the union and then to the doctor. I wouldn't risk my knees or achillies tendons for any job"

2 questions:

1 Would you apply for, and accept a job that had a heels dress code?

2 Why would you go to the Union and GP instead of talking to your manager?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's indicative of the mentality of the company and people running it. Are your receptionists capable professionals on a par with all your other valued employees

Surely the answer to this is no.

If they were a professional on a par with the companies core employees they would be doing that role.

As it stands though they're the office equivalent of unskilled labour and in a role where thier initial impression when they greet somone is probbaly the most significant part of thier role.

'Unskilled labour'? I don't know a single receptionist who isn't degree educated, hasn't high level communication and diplomatic skills and aren't well versed in every aspect of the company/organisation. You honestly think that corporations select people 'without skills' to be their most public face? That's rather ignorant of you."

I was going to keep shtum but someone else has said it for me. I was trained as a secretary: typing in two alphabets (this was not in the UK), shorthand, English for business... Never once weRe we told we HAD TO wear heels. With my wide and high size 2 feet whoever told me this would have had to pay for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win."

Other than the fact she wasn't an employee...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The good that has come from it is .....

PwC have reviewed their supply chain to ensure supply chain policies are inline with theirs.

The temp hiring Agency Portico has changed its dress code for staff so no "must" heels anymore.

Over 100K have signed the government petition Miss N Thorpe has proposed to get the law changed - I have also signed it.

And it has been a super discussion about change .....

Standing up for what we believe in takes courage and making life choices to do so is to be admired....

Mwah x

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win.

Other than the fact she wasn't an employee... "

Yes she was. It was the agency who employed her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win.

Other than the fact she wasn't an employee...

Yes she was. It was the agency who employed her. "

It was PWC's policy. She wasn't an employee of PWC, she was a contractor. She doesn't have the right to unfair dismissal from PWC.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

bedforshire


"Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win.

Other than the fact she wasn't an employee...

Yes she was. It was the agency who employed her.

It was PWC's policy. She wasn't an employee of PWC, she was a contractor. She doesn't have the right to unfair dismissal from PWC. "

End user claims (dismisal from PWC ) are hellishly difficult and best avoided.

The Agency is the employer otherwise and could be taken to tribunal on the growns that they have failed to protect the employee from a discriminatory and H&S breaching policy of the client under the liability of Duty of Care under the 1974 act.

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over a year ago


"Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win.

Other than the fact she wasn't an employee...

Yes she was. It was the agency who employed her.

It was PWC's policy. She wasn't an employee of PWC, she was a contractor. She doesn't have the right to unfair dismissal from PWC.

End user claims (dismisal from PWC ) are hellishly difficult and best avoided.

The Agency is the employer otherwise and could be taken to tribunal on the growns that they have failed to protect the employee from a discriminatory and H&S breaching policy of the client under the liability of Duty of Care under the 1974 act."

She isn't an employee of agency. She is an independent contractor. Legally they are different things.

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By *andemanMan
over a year ago

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"Ok lets get a few facts straight.

Sent home without pay for not warring heels.

1. Without due proccess disaplimary action ( acas code complient) this is a breach of contract by the employer and a wages claim to an employment tribunal.

2. Dress codes cannot stipulate types of shoes unless it is for health and safty reasons. It can stipulate colour but not type.

3. Black listing. If anyone proves this data bases exists than i suggest you look at the book by Dave Smith on the subject in the building trade. The companies will soon be paying out Millions on compensation as a result of recent court rulling.

4. TUC policy is the ban High Heels at work as the pediatrists union passed a motion on them bassed on the damage they do to womans feet and joints.

Good luck to the woman i say about time people were respected at work for thier work and not thier looks!

another good common sense post, lets hope she takes them to court, she will win.

Other than the fact she wasn't an employee...

Yes she was. It was the agency who employed her.

It was PWC's policy. She wasn't an employee of PWC, she was a contractor. She doesn't have the right to unfair dismissal from PWC.

End user claims (dismisal from PWC ) are hellishly difficult and best avoided.

The Agency is the employer otherwise and could be taken to tribunal on the growns that they have failed to protect the employee from a discriminatory and H&S breaching policy of the client under the liability of Duty of Care under the 1974 act.

She isn't an employee of agency. She is an independent contractor. Legally they are different things."

Yes well in that case it would be even more problamatic. She would have to sue PWC as a client in county court for breach of contract. More complicated and expensive but not impossible. This would be a commercial law case and not an employment law case. Interesting to see if she does.

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