FabSwingers.com forum: Cameron today - remain in the UK for peace?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

David Cameron has said that we should remain the EU to maintain peace.

We will still be in NATO if we leave the EU - so I don't really get his point.

I'm still undecided but he does irritate me with unsubstantiated arguments.

Your thoughts?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

I remain staunchly on the "in" side; but I can't believe even Cameron could have been so fucking stupid as to come up with that.

I always thought he was a dick; but .......

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By *angtidy42Couple
over a year ago

Redditch

He will try anything. It's NATO that's kept peace in Europe. The EU came late to the table.

Just looked how they handled Bosnia. It's not till the USA stepped in was there any credibility to the ceasefire on the ground at the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He will try anything. It's NATO that's kept peace in Europe. The EU came late to the table.

Just looked how they handled Bosnia. It's not till the USA stepped in was there any credibility to the ceasefire on the ground at the time. "

To be fair Yugoslavia was not in the EU when the war started, so it was down to the UN to try to stop it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We haven't stopped "Yugoslavia" Pull those troops out, we'll see how peaceful it is

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Oh yes it is!"

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Oh no it isn't!"

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"After the break...

...more speculation..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the stuid man is so desperate he will say absolutely anything to get us to vote remain but for those still undecided i think he's making a great case for ppl to vote leave.what next from this idiot of a pm i bet the vote remain campaigners would dearly love him to shut up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

anybody that thinks 'leave' is absolutely bananas. Likely the pound will gain strength (bankers gain more wealth), large companies will struggle to export, lots of people get laid off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

""After the break...

...more speculation...""

You do make me chuckle!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure about the EU, but I reckon we should definitely stay in the UK.....

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"the stuid man is so desperate he will say absolutely anything to get us to vote remain but for those still undecided i think he's making a great case for ppl to vote leave.what next from this idiot of a pm i bet the vote remain campaigners would dearly love him to shut up"

Agreed.

We are staunch Tories but this guy leaves us cold and bewildered with the things he is coming out with.

Boris seems to be making a far more logical case for leaving.

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield

Safer in the EU, is that the same EU that poked the Russian bear by trying to tempt the Ukraine, and who's intentions are to entice more countries to join the Fourth Reich.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you are very confused as all financial experts seem to agree the £ will weaken against the euro if we leave, so exports will rise as our goods will be cheaper for foreigners to buy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

vote leave if you want to live in the UK. vote remain if you want to see the UK wither away in the next decade to become just an EU state. We are the 6th biggest world economy so trade will never be affected whether we are in or out but if we are out we will have the ability to make our own trade deals unlike now they have to be made by brussels. vote remain if you want our armed forces to end and for our youths to serve in an EU army. there is nothing the EU can do for us we cant do alone, not one single thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Utter tosh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was always going to vote leave

and after Camerons latest gaff im not going to change my mind

that guy is on another planet

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

If he wants ppl to vote leave he just needs to keep talking the bloke is a utter cockwomble.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Utter tosh."

He lives in Hull.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Utter tosh.

He lives in Hull. "

i like what you did there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn't trust him if he told me today was Monday.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

If anyone was in any doubt about David Cameron's EU referendum strategy of "Project Fear" before today they should be in no doubt at all now. To suggest that if we leave the EU that war will break out in Europe is the most ridiculous scaremongering imaginable. If he thought this was a real possibility then it was reckless to the extreme of him to offer any kind of referendum in the first place!

I think Cameron has lost the plot.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's scare tactics designed to worry the uneducated. I don't agree with playing with people's heads in that way. It was NATO not the EU which was responsible for peace - in the broadest sense of the word, of course considering all the wars/conflicts there have been in Europe since 1945.

I notice Cameron has back tracked on a fair few policies recently, such as getting all schools to be academies and I think the reason is that he doesn't want any conflict within the party leading up to the referendum. I think his job depends on the outcome.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

the herds are being herded so the rigged vote will seem like your idea...follow the money, thats the result youll get...x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I hear politicans talk about peace i think... Shut the fuck up you bunch of hypocrites, your the fuckers that start all the wars!.

You'd think the way David Cameron is going on, there'd be hundreds of thousands of people on the streets of London just baying for blood... Placards with invade Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan...

The only thing saving us from ourselves is a trade deal with Germany... What a crock of shit!.

These fuckwits are the ones eager to invade countries, it's the million people marching in London to stop us invading Iraq.

Oh if only we'd had a trade deal with Iraq... Maybe the politicans wouldn't have been so eager...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are no troops there really. Though i agreee, all Nato amd the Un did was fuck everything up

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"There are no troops there really. Though i agreee, all Nato amd the Un did was fuck everything up"

It was better than the Third Reich.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He failed to mention tidal waves.. Hurricanes.. Asteroids will rain down, blood will run out of your taps and vikings will burn cities and eat all the crisps.. OMG .. I have decided to vote leave.. By looking at reasoned options and affects..

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Ah the joys of making British politics more Presidential...

Nothing like exchanging issue driven political debate for a scaremongering hate inducing personality contest based on religion or how well you dress rather on what you do or how often your caught lying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

"I remain staunchly on the "in" side; but I can't believe even Cameron could have been so fucking stupid as to come up with that.

I always thought he was a dick; but .......

Pretty much sums it up for me. Man (and his party) are a liability- just imagine the mess if we let them off the leash

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security. "

Enlighten us....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security.

Enlighten us...."
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Your names not Jo or Joe... It's Steve, remember

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I hear politicans talk about peace i think... Shut the fuck up you bunch of hypocrites, your the fuckers that start all the wars!.

You'd think the way David Cameron is going on, there'd be hundreds of thousands of people on the streets of London just baying for blood... Placards with invade Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan...

The only thing saving us from ourselves is a trade deal with Germany... What a crock of shit!.

These fuckwits are the ones eager to invade countries, it's the million people marching in London to stop us invading Iraq.

Oh if only we'd had a trade deal with Iraq... Maybe the politicans wouldn't have been so eager... "

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I remain staunchly on the "in" side; but I can't believe even Cameron could have been so fucking stupid as to come up with that.

me too....

I don't know whos comments made me cringe more today.....

this .... which i am not buying at all..... or BoJo's comments on the EU being the reason for the unrest in ukraine and the russians reason for annexing crimea....

I know putin is pro brexit... but there is no need to cuddle up to him this much!!!!

i don't think this a been a good day on either side...

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security.

Enlighten us.....

Your names not Jo or Joe... It's Steve, remember

It's an outrage that there's a mole who is gossiping all the details to all and sundry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Typical of this tory party they constantly spout bulls hit that mail and sun readers believe to be gospel. I'm convinced he wants us to leave and is hoping his incompetence might sway the vote for our exit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah! Who doesn't like a referendum? I would like to welcome our friends in the south to the party! None of the hogwash being spouted is new, they are just gibbering the same guff they used in the Scottish referendum!

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

The reason there is unrest in the ukraine is the fact that some in the EU want it to join and some who live there want to join and some dont, Putin doesnt want the "west" that close to his border, he maybe a bit of a nut but he doesnt want his own people so close to a country that may become better off and demand more freedoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm guessing all you guys and more up to date on the security issues of Europe than the the pm of the UK who has full access to all the intelligence data in the UK and full control of the intelligence services? After all I'm sure you won't get on the plane if the pilot told you its not safe..

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Putin doesnt want the "west" that close to his border, he maybe a bit of a nut but he doesnt want his own people so close to a country that may become better off and demand more freedoms. "

I dont like Putin or his politics (he reminds me too much of Stalin). But Putin and the Russians have good reason to want as big a buffer as they can manage between any alliance that includes France Briton or Germany and their borders. Remember every time Russia has had a mutual border with an ally of any of the 3 countries named it has taken a terrible toll in Russian lives.

Think about the numbers:

WW2 27 million

WW1 3 million

Crimean war at least 400000

The Franco Russian war of 1812 there are no numbers although it is believed that Russian losses were in the region of 3 to 1 compared to those of the French and the French lost as many as 650000 men over the campaign.

I for one fully understand why the Russians have a deep distrust of the West and France and Germany in particular! If I were Russian I would be equally belligerent if my borders were being approached by an alliance of Briton France and Germany!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I'm guessing all you guys and more up to date on the security issues of Europe than the the pm of the UK who has full access to all the intelligence data in the UK and full control of the intelligence services? After all I'm sure you won't get on the plane if the pilot told you its not safe.."
boils down to trust and i don't trust him at all.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security.

Enlighten us.....

Your names not Jo or Joe... It's Steve, remember

I would tell you all about it but then Jo or Joe would have to kill you, and me.

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By *ames6ft5Man
over a year ago

North London / Herts

Is it just me that thinks when I listen to Cameron go on about the grave risk of what will happen to the nation if we leave the EU, we are only in this position of risk because of him and his chronically poor leadership of the Conservative party. This referendum came out of thin air in a desperate attempt to win the general election for his career and disfunctional party.

Full disclosure: I'm IN.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

I'm voting 'in'. Ask me tomorrow though and it might have changed, again.

But the thing is, I'm 'in' in spite of Cameron and project fear, not because of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is he saying we will be invaded if we leave?

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

In today's edition the Daily Mail urged Cameron to tone down the rhetoric.

I thought about their nasty campaign against Scottish independence, their nasty campaign against the Scots in last years GE and their nasty campaign against Sadiq Khan recently.

After thinking, I just laughed at their hypocrisy.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Is he saying we will be invaded if we leave? "

I do love a Dutch cock.

"Help, the Dutch are cumming... the Dutch are cumming!"

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

You mean like the US and British governments who knew there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq etc etc, well that turned out to be balls. The older I get the less I believe what ever a politician or news media tell me, 1984 is coming to a world near you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security. "

Bong so wrong - so you are saying that when you are not in the Nato and the EU you country will not survive in Europe... Hmm there is a country bang in the center of Europe during my time as officer we could within 48 hours have 300'000 under arms within 2 weeks 500'000.

We needed no Nato nor EU to defend our borders and we can export our products as we have no oil, coal, nature resources except brains of the citizens...

The country is called Switzerland..

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security.

We needed no Nato nor EU to defend our borders and we can export our products as we have no oil, coal, nature resources except brains of the citizens...

The country is called Switzerland..

I'll try to make sense of your post.

My post isn't wrong. It's a simple statement regarding what a friend tells me. I have drawn no conclusion from it other than for myself, she is somone who's opinion I would put some credence to.

As for your post, it's guilty of one of the key failings in 'leave" campaign.

You say "so you are saying that when you are not in the Nato and the EU you country will not survive in Europe"

No, I'm not. Where did you dream that up from?

No one is suggesting the UK won't survive outside the EU, of course we will for goodness sake.

It's not about wether we will survive or not, it's about wether we will be better off or not.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

And who mentioned leaving NATO?

No one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he saying we will be invaded if we leave?

I do love a Dutch cock.

"Help, the Dutch are cumming... the Dutch are cumming!"

We can take the Dutch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

I hate to disappoint you but the UK will remain in the EU

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

Seemingly five former Secretary Generals of NATO are going to make very similar claims in the Daily Telegraph.

Don't worry though. It's all scaremongering because we can make Britain grate again and deal with all those pesky foreigners by trading with people - just not European people.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

I hate to disappoint you but the UK will remain in the EU

I think so too but I'm still undecided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

I hate to disappoint you but the UK will remain in the EU

I truly hope not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

Seemingly five former Secretary Generals of NATO are going to make very similar claims in the Daily Telegraph.

Don't worry though. It's all scaremongering because we can make Britain grate again and deal with all those pesky foreigners by trading with people - just not European people."

but we are European people

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

Seemingly five former Secretary Generals of NATO are going to make very similar claims in the Daily Telegraph.

Really? That's a forceful message.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

I hate to disappoint you but the UK will remain in the EU

I truly hope not."

I think the conclusion is foregone.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

see.... saw a fantastic article in the guardian today (yeah i know... guardian.... bloody lefty hippy!!)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/09/meet-the-europeans-in-britains-brexit-heartland

I think if there were more articles like this, and the remain side focused on the people...... it would convince a lot more people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Moronic statements like Cameron made today will make the fear campaign by the 'stay-ers' seem a farce. Long may it continue

I hate to disappoint you but the UK will remain in the EU

I truly hope not.

I think the conclusion is foregone.

Me too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I want him to promise things will get better for all British people if we stay in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in the out camp

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

shitting himself....p45 for him and George....he is getting despo ....more and more each day ,by the 23rd he will make up ww3 starts tomoz....total posh boy wanker....

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

"I'm in the out camp

Out and proud!

*Waves rainbow flag and toots disco whistle*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are talking about it now on newsnight on bb2.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Putin doesnt want the "west" that close to his border, he maybe a bit of a nut but he doesnt want his own people so close to a country that may become better off and demand more freedoms.

Think about the numbers:

WW2 27 million

WW1 3 million

Crimean war at least 400000

The head of the EU Jean Claude Juncker has been very vocal about the formation of an EU army. If Russia reacted the way it did to a Ukraine / EU trade deal, how the hell are they going to react towards an EU army sitting on its border?

The formation of an EU army will be a destabilising factor, not one to increase security in Europe. The formation of an EU army will also be looked upon with great suspicion and hostility by the likes of China and North Korea, not only Russia, the EU is playing with fire even talking about forming an EU army. Also the formation of an EU army would undermine Nato, with European countries thinking they should pay less into Nato and more into an EU army budget. It really is crazy they are even considering it. Hopefully when we leave the EU it will bring the rest of Europe back to its senses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe a word Cameron says ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see a lot of xenophobia in this thread... Lets not forget whats strands of DNA make up the indigenous people of the UK!

(Clue, it ain't English!)

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

If we leave pound will go down and interest rates up so i would feel very sorry for anyone buying their place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The first duty of any government is to keep its people safe. Now if he or anyone believes a word of what he says then he should either resign or be sacked for dereliction of duty or hung for treason

. Because 3 months ago he said he would consider taking us out of the EU if he didnt get the deal he wanted (which he didnt) and to give us this referendum in the first place. So guilty on 2 counts of putting the people or maybe wanting to put the people of this country at risk eh. I go for treason

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

OUT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's scare tactics designed to worry the uneducated. I don't agree with playing with people's heads in that way. It was NATO not the EU which was responsible for peace - in the broadest sense of the word, of course considering all the wars/conflicts there have been in Europe since 1945.

Hes standing down next election no matter what though hes said as much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Putin doesnt want the "west" that close to his border, he maybe a bit of a nut but he doesnt want his own people so close to a country that may become better off and demand more freedoms.

Think about the numbers:

WW2 27 million

WW1 3 million

Crimean war at least 400000

If UKIP plans to appease Russia by that sort of logic you'd better check what Russia has to say. Here's a snippet of what Pravda wrote about this:

"As for Europe, it is not just dependent on the United States - it is occupied by the United States. The occupation is based on principles of the Roman Empire: the Romans used military garrisons to contain local population should they rebel against Rome's exploitative and predatory policy.

What if a country of Eastern Europe decides to re-engage with Russia despite the Transatlantic Pact and sanctions? That would be a reason to use American military garrisons. Nobody will dare to utter a word, because US troops in Europe will soon outnumber all European troops combined. With the help of US troops, Poland, Bulgaria and others of the ilk will have the honor to die first in the much-talked about nuclear war.

Russia has no territorial or other claims to Europe. However, moving troops to its borders without a good reason for it is a very dangerous game. Russia will not repeat the experience of 1941. Russia will take necessary security measures in response to NATO's growing military presence in Europe, especially in the eastern part of the continent, Alexander Grushko, Russia's Ambassador to NATO said. Moscow's reaction to such a move will be adequately efficient, he added.

The USA never sends its troops to places where it smells war - it evacuates them from such places instead. For example, We have recently seen the evacuation of NATO's troops from Turkey, a NATO member.

"The Americans do not want to get involved in a real war. They do not want to mess with North Korea, - Eduard Limonov, writer and political activist told Pravda.Ru. - Donald Trump says that it is about time the Americans should stop protecting all for free. The Americans have a plethora of their own problems: a huge public debt, high unemployment, and the situation is getting worse. Instead, they spend enormous money on other countries. This will stop soon. The Americans will return to their North America, and their interference in global affairs will decrease".

Your comments read a bit like the voice of Pravda except you've got a little bit confused - the Russians see the threat as the USA and NATO. Not a mention of an EU army.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Hes standing down next election no matter what though hes said as much "

Hopefully earlier when he loses this referendum.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Give us another clue from a couple of thousand years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd better speak to Pravda, it was their reference to the Romans. They are Putin's mouthpiece. They of course have plenty more where that comes from,.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

"You'd better speak to Pravda, it was their reference to the Romans. They are Putin's mouthpiece. They of course have plenty more where that comes from,."

That was directed at post refering to the DNA makeup of the uk, sorry should have quoted it

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

For me the sheer weigt of professional and pundit opinion stating we would be better off in is overwhelming.

The lack of it (I'm not saying there is none, just making the comparison) for the Brexit campaign is almost embarrassing.

I think it's gonna be a close thing and that's cos of the level of passion amongst xenophobes, little britainers, the easily led and those that just dont understand the situation is impressive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me the sheer weigt of professional and pundit opinion stating we would be better off in is overwhelming.

The lack of it (I'm not saying there is none, just making the comparison) for the Brexit campaign is almost embarrassing.

I think it's gonna be a close thing and that's cos of the level of passion amongst xenophobes, little britainers, the easily led and those that just dont understand the situation is impressive. "

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Yet again, I might decide which way to vote depending on the number of blue cars I see on the way to the polling station.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"David Cameron has said that we should remain the EU to maintain peace.

We will still be in NATO if we leave the EU - so I don't really get his point.

I'm still undecided but he does irritate me with unsubstantiated arguments.

Your thoughts?

its great to be treated like children, the government are completely out of touch with what people think and do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OUT"

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

boris and his britex gang need to do nothing,the more Cameron opens his mouth the more people want out...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"boris and his britex gang need to do nothing,the more Cameron opens his mouth the more people want out..."

cameron is a massive liability to the remain campaign and i'm sure theres a lot more ridicules quotes to come from our idiot of a pm

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?"

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues. "

nice to see another treating the majority like idiots

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

nice to see another treating the majority like idiots

Your stock-in-trade seems to be mis-representing what others say so that comment does not surprise me.

If I considered any of the people I work with to be idiots they would not be there.

But it can not be ignored that while many are very, very vocal about waning to get out of the EU remarkably few can actually give any kind of explanation why. Literally not even the most basic knowledge of the arguments in either side and no intention to be informed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues. "

what I have a bit of a problem with is xenophobia accusations. It could be argued that there are more xenophobes on the remain side, happily sat in the white mans club, worried about how to deal freely with all the peoples of the world which is what the brexiters want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues. "

in your opinion,

perhaps they think your a dick and simply wont communicate with you but when home or with friends have good conversation

thing is, you don't know, you only presume

have a nice day now, a nice cool 24 degrees here

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"If anyone was in any doubt about David Cameron's EU referendum strategy of "Project Fear" before today they should be in no doubt at all now. To suggest that if we leave the EU that war will break out in Europe is the most ridiculous scaremongering imaginable. If he thought this was a real possibility then it was reckless to the extreme of him to offer any kind of referendum in the first place!

I think Cameron has lost the plot.

I'm not sure about "lost the plot" On this issue I'm not sure if he ever had it to lose.

As for project fear. I'm waiting for what the next revelation will be. So far he has got to WW III so where does he go next?

Disease, pestilence, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, asteroid/comet strikes? Maybe he is saving the Martian invasion for the last day or two.

Normally I would put a smiley on the end of something like that but with this clown nothing is funny any more.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

Todays news...

"Five former Nato secretaries-general last night backed the Prime Minister's stance that Britain being in the EU makes Europe safer.

An open letter published in The Daily Telegraph was signed by Lord Carrington, Javier Solana, Lord Robertson, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

They said the European Union was a 'key partner' for Nato and helped to 'stave off instability' on the continent and wider region.

'At a time of global instability, and when Nato is trying to reinforce its role in Eastern Europe, it would be very troubling if the UK ended its membership of the EU.

'While the decision is one for the British people, Brexit would undoubtedly lead to a loss of British influence, undermine Nato and give succour to the West's enemies.' "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Todays news...

"Five former Nato secretaries-general last night backed the Prime Minister's stance that Britain being in the EU makes Europe safer.

An open letter published in The Daily Telegraph was signed by Lord Carrington, Javier Solana, Lord Robertson, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

They said the European Union was a 'key partner' for Nato and helped to 'stave off instability' on the continent and wider region.

'At a time of global instability, and when Nato is trying to reinforce its role in Eastern Europe, it would be very troubling if the UK ended its membership of the EU.

'While the decision is one for the British people, Brexit would undoubtedly lead to a loss of British influence, undermine Nato and give succour to the West's enemies.' ""
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Did they say who is the West's enemies?

What role is NATO trying to enforce in eastern Europe?.

Also Britain being in the EU makes Europe safer, is that the same as saying Britain leaving the EU makes Europe less safe.. Again is that our role, making Europe safe?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the answer is within 3 letters

OUT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the answer is within 3 letters

OUT"

exactly. Bleedin warmongers

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By *ickyandMallory1984Couple
over a year ago

lincoln

Well said !

We're vote leave!

Our grandfathers didn't die for us to be ruled by foreigners they died so we have the freedom of self rule and determine our own future! If we don't like the politicians and there polices we vote them out and put a party in that we do! We can't do that if we vote remain as we will be governed by Brussels and British people have no say in what they decide for OUR country! Why would anyone vote remain? It's like you voting to give your house to some stranger!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

You must mean the two of you brave souls left that aren't wearing tin foil hats and hiding behind the sofa on case we're attacked by north Korea?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

The BREXIT campaign is funny to watch though...

Consistent banding of £350,000,000 per week costs which everyone and his dog now knows to be blatantly untrue. If this now well known figure is to be exagerated... What else?

We don't need Europe - we can create a trade deal with America - quickly corrected by Obama.

The EU has nothing to do with European security - quickly corrected by five former Secretary Generals

We dont want Project Fear, we just need to protect our borders... A policy based on fear

Vote Leave Facebook Page - An utter embarrassment filled with xenophobic comments

If the entire EU debate was about truly meaningful things like how our personal lives would be affected beneficially or detrimentally then it may be interesting. As it is, alnmost every discussion eventually involves the "foreigner" issue and/or some deluded fantasy of freedom and liberty from pesky foreigners. It is really hard to have a reasoned discussion when the debate descends to that level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

You must mean the two of you brave souls left that aren't wearing tin foil hats and hiding behind the sofa on case we're attacked by north Korea?

ok Pike. How many black guys sit on the EU Commission?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cannot watch sky news or any mainstream news programme so blatant in support of staying in....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

You must mean the two of you brave souls left that aren't wearing tin foil hats and hiding behind the sofa on case we're attacked by north Korea?

ok Pike. How many black guys sit on the EU Commission?"

IF you know the answer to that then you'll have to stop calling them anonymous bureaucrats Godfrey. That would be another self inflicted shot in the foot for a Brexit lie. Stand easy.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Last year a couple went around Europe on holiday and did a mini blog on here about 'Johnny Foreigner' and the garlic cheese eaters. Very funny, it was too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scotland received their "What the Government believes" shite today

what address do you mail it back to them

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I haven't received my booklet which means I don't know what to think. I'm thinkless.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

I'm not suggesting all Brexiters are xenophobes and little britainers but it appears quite obvious that most xenophobes and little britainers are Brexiters and that's why I think it will be a close call.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

It can be argued that black is white and white is black. Indeed, that seems to be the basis for the entire Brexit campaign.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

in your opinion,

perhaps they think your a dick and simply wont communicate with you but when home or with friends have good conversation

thing is, you don't know, you only presume

have a nice day now, a nice cool 24 degrees here"

I'm not talking about them communicating with me but I am involved in them communicating with each other. (I don't give political or religious opinions at work)

The company I work for is encouraging employees to get involved in the debate to a great extend so it's a hot topic of conversation.

We have arranged an open debate tonight and have speakers from both sides attending.

There is always the outside chance that although my comments don't support your opinions, they are still valid and accurate observations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"David Cameron has said that we should remain the EU to maintain peace.

We will still be in NATO if we leave the EU - so I don't really get his point.

I'm still undecided but he does irritate me with unsubstantiated arguments.

Your thoughts?

Tomorrow's Stay Fact is that remaining in Europe will guard against a sudden Ice Age and influx of crazed elephants on our streets - well neither have happened during our membership have they.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why? Do you think there are so many xenophobes in this country? Really? And that most are on the brexit side? You need to look more closely at the organisation you are supporting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

It can be argued that black is white and white is black. Indeed, that seems to be the basis for the entire Brexit campaign.

More so the remain campaign though. Just ask Cameron

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just bollox. NATO safeguard Europe not the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If its so crucial to peace n prosperity for us,and the rest of Europe that we stay 'in'.........how come he wasn't given a deal that actually amounted to something,as opposed to the crumbs off the table he received and seems mad keen on,Churchill 'supporting' the current eu set up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cam-moron disgusted me with his reference to lines of white crosses in the Europe War cemeteries in yesterday's statement. How low will this privileged piece of excrement go to get his and his mates point across. The only hope is that when we vote to leave the EU, it will be seen as signal that we, as a Nation, are totally pissed off with him and his cronies in Downing Street.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

"Cam-moron disgusted me with his reference to lines of white crosses in the Europe War cemeteries in yesterday's statement. How low will this privileged piece of excrement go to get his and his mates point across. The only hope is that when we vote to leave the EU, it will be seen as signal that we, as a Nation, are totally pissed off with him and his cronies in Downing Street."

Those lines of white crosses died to stop this country being run by Germany.

So to day we find the Cameron was told by Germany to drop one of his main aims in the negotiations he did this the night before his big speech. so much for "we have a say in the EU", we can pass any law as long as Germany agrees with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those lines of white crosses died to stop this country being run by Germany.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can see both sides, but I'm on the In because we don't know what Europe would do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meanwhile terrorist walk into Europe with impunity..safer my arse...i will walk down to that polling station with over 20 ex-army pal's,with our heads held high and vote out of that evil,corrupt project.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

You must mean the two of you brave souls left that aren't wearing tin foil hats and hiding behind the sofa on case we're attacked by north Korea?

ok Pike. How many black guys sit on the EU Commission?

IF you know the answer to that then you'll have to stop calling them anonymous bureaucrats Godfrey. That would be another self inflicted shot in the foot for a Brexit lie. Stand easy."

The answer to that is none. And what lie is that? Without checking could you honestly name one? or more than one? or recognise any one of them if they walked past you in the street?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Meanwhile terrorist walk into Europe with impunity..safer my arse...i will walk down to that polling station with over 20 ex-army pal's,with our heads held high and vote out of that evil,corrupt project."

The head of interpol said that the EU with its free movement of people principle and the borderless Shengen zone may as well hang a sign out saying "Terrorist's welcome here".

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

I think Cameron has lost the plot.

I'm not sure about "lost the plot" On this issue I'm not sure if he ever had it to lose.

As for project fear. I'm waiting for what the next revelation will be. So far he has got to WW III so where does he go next?

Disease, pestilence, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, asteroid/comet strikes? Maybe he is saving the Martian invasion for the last day or two.

Normally I would put a smiley on the end of something like that but with this clown nothing is funny any more."

I'm waiting for Cameron to come out with The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and plagues of locusts, should the country vote leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was quite amusing to see people cringing at his corruption comments to the Queen today though

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It was quite amusing to see people cringing at his corruption comments to the Queen today though

Seems Cameron is dropping the ball on a daily basis now. The man is a liability.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Hes worried his back handers will stop if we come out of the EU .... little nasty man

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By *MaleMan
over a year ago

Twenty eight member states in the EU. ONE considers leaving, does leave and peace is in question possible war.

It doesn't say much about the remaining 27 member states.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Those lines of white crosses died to stop this country being run by Germany.

Just as Tony Blair was President Bush's poodle, it seems like David Cameron is Angela Merkel's poodle in the EU.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"It was quite amusing to see people cringing at his corruption comments to the Queen today though

Seems Cameron is dropping the ball on a daily basis now. The man is a liability. "

On that we very much agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

You must mean the two of you brave souls left that aren't wearing tin foil hats and hiding behind the sofa on case we're attacked by north Korea?

ok Pike. How many black guys sit on the EU Commission?

IF you know the answer to that then you'll have to stop calling them anonymous bureaucrats Godfrey. That would be another self inflicted shot in the foot for a Brexit lie. Stand easy.

The answer to that is none. And what lie is that? Without checking could you honestly name one? or more than one? or recognise any one of them if they walked past you in the street?"

Ah Godfrey, a general knowledge quiz, what fun. Without checking I could recognise about half the UK's commissioners on the street: Christopher Soames, Roy Jenkins, Christopher Tugendhat, Leon Brittan, Neil Kinnock, Chris Patten, Peter Mandelson. I expect you might be able to too if you tried hard - and let's wait for the rants from your lot about some of those names, they are recognisable political figures.

Now, your turn, without looking it up name : The Governor of the Bank of England, The British Ambassador to the USA, the UK ambassador to the WTO, the head of the civil service? The UK Ambassador to the UN?

Could you recognise any of them on the street?

How many are black?

However I agree with you, there should be a better mix of people. What do your guys think to having a couple of muslims on the EU commission too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the easily led is a good one

and didn't you say brexit was losing support hand over fist the other day? Where did you get that from?

According to the polls a week ago it was, now it isn't. That's how transient it is. You can see that just like I can.

Unlike the average Brexiter I have no problem with facts whichever way side they support.

And although many on here have very considered opinions, of the people I work with, the vast majority of Brexiters know virtually nothing about any of the issues.

You must mean the two of you brave souls left that aren't wearing tin foil hats and hiding behind the sofa on case we're attacked by north Korea?

ok Pike. How many black guys sit on the EU Commission?

IF you know the answer to that then you'll have to stop calling them anonymous bureaucrats Godfrey. That would be another self inflicted shot in the foot for a Brexit lie. Stand easy.

The answer to that is none. And what lie is that? Without checking could you honestly name one? or more than one? or recognise any one of them if they walked past you in the street?

Could you recognise any of them on the street?

How many are black?

However I agree with you, there should be a better mix of people. What do your guys think to having a couple of muslims on the EU commission too?

that would be a good thing. What do you mean 'my guys'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You guys ... you can throw in the views of your guys to appease autocorrect if that works for you

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over a year ago

"You guys ... you can throw in the views of your guys to appease autocorrect if that works for you"

nice wriggle.

As I said, could be a good thing. Do you not think that there are a lot of muslims in this country who want out of the EU too?

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over a year ago

"You guys ... you can throw in the views of your guys to appease autocorrect if that works for you

nice wriggle.

As I said, could be a good thing. Do you not think that there are a lot of muslims in this country who want out of the EU too?"

Godfrey's the one who wriggles - bladder problems.

I'm sure there are many people of all faiths as well as no religious faith at all who want to vote in for the good of the country. Other less sensible voting options are available too.

What's that got to do with the point you are trying to make about the composition of the commission?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Anyone see the moron trying to be funny in front of the Queen on the news today?

The more I see of caMoron the more I wonder how he gained a second term... Then I hear about the number of electoral fraud investigations there are into obvious criminal acts by the Tories to win the general election and I suddenly understand.

Question is will the fraudsters get prosecuted and the MPs elected through fraud be removed from the commons?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You guys ... you can throw in the views of your guys to appease autocorrect if that works for you

nice wriggle.

As I said, could be a good thing. Do you not think that there are a lot of muslims in this country who want out of the EU too?

Godfrey's the one who wriggles - bladder problems.

I'm sure there are many people of all faiths as well as no religious faith at all who want to vote in for the good of the country. Other less sensible voting options are available too.

What's that got to do with the point you are trying to make about the composition of the commission? "

I thought you were following the thread, hence your joining in. The point I was making was that it could be argued that there are more xenophobes on the remain side, safe in their little Europeaner white mans club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seeing how most regulations are made at a global level the EU is just an incompetent middle man in economic terms. As for in or out I feel one must decide on other grounds than economic. There are more fundamental issues at stake. Democracy, sovereignty, nationalism, political identity.

At present it seems a top down system with a serious lack of accountability. Just my feelings.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

All Camaron is doing is confirmimg I am right to vote out,as he cannot find a reason to stay in he just talks crap

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over a year ago

"You guys ... you can throw in the views of your guys to appease autocorrect if that works for you

nice wriggle.

As I said, could be a good thing. Do you not think that there are a lot of muslims in this country who want out of the EU too?

Godfrey's the one who wriggles - bladder problems.

I'm sure there are many people of all faiths as well as no religious faith at all who want to vote in for the good of the country. Other less sensible voting options are available too.

What's that got to do with the point you are trying to make about the composition of the commission?

I was following the thread but you were making no sense at all- so I definitely didn't follow that. That's why I asked.

Your basis for deciding on the commission being xenophobic seems to be that you can't name any of them and you wouldn't be able to recognise any of them on the street and that none of them are black. None of those are factors used by most sane people in deciding whether an organisation is xenophobic.

Perhaps you could tell us how many people are on the most important court in the UK, the supreme court, what their names are and whether or not you'd recognise any on the street? Oh and what is their ethnic mix?

On the basis of your utter lack of logic the supreme court is obviously a European white man's club and therefore also xenophobic.

But you just carry on with saying daft things Godfrey, there's plenty of 'your guys' who'll applaud any old nonsense.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Seeing how most regulations are made at a global level the EU is just an incompetent middle man in economic terms. As for in or out I feel one must decide on other grounds than economic. There are more fundamental issues at stake. Democracy, sovereignty, nationalism, political identity.

At present it seems a top down system with a serious lack of accountability. Just my feelings."

Yesterday we saw the Chairman of the Foreign affairs Committee, MP Crispin Blunt back Brexit. He was sitting on a panel of 11 on the Foreign affairs Committee, he was undecided which side to pick, there were 5 on the panel backing remain, and 5 on the panel backing a leave vote so an even split with him undecided in the middle. After looking at all the arguments made by the 5 on one side and the 5 on the other side he came to the Conclusion leave is the best option for Britain's future.

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/crispin-blunt-only-brexit-offers-a-positive-vision-for-britain-s-role-in-the-world-a3243351.html

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over a year ago

"You guys ... you can throw in the views of your guys to appease autocorrect if that works for you

nice wriggle.

As I said, could be a good thing. Do you not think that there are a lot of muslims in this country who want out of the EU too?

Godfrey's the one who wriggles - bladder problems.

I'm sure there are many people of all faiths as well as no religious faith at all who want to vote in for the good of the country. Other less sensible voting options are available too.

What's that got to do with the point you are trying to make about the composition of the commission?

I was following the thread but you were making no sense at all- so I definitely didn't follow that. That's why I asked.

On the basis of your utter lack of logic the supreme court is obviously a European white man's club and therefore also xenophobic.

But you just carry on with saying daft things Godfrey, there's plenty of 'your guys' who'll applaud any old nonsense.

You obviously can not follow a thread properly or understand what is being said. Did I say that the commission was xenophobic? No, I said it could be ARGUED that the remainers are more xenophobic than the brexiters in response to the constant slurs thrown at the out side. And not being able to name or recognise any of the EU commissioners was in response to your post which implied that they are not anonymous.

You really have lost the plot son in your increasingly desperate attempts to defend the EU and are just making yourself look a bit silly now. Oh, bit like Cameron

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over a year ago

Well I listened carefully to what he said.

Quite clearly...if we leave the E U then Germany will annexe Austria and invade Poland from the West. Meanwhile Russia will come into Poland from the East and a new world war will start.

He is a nice man, that Mr Cameron...so he has convinced me that we must stay......NOT!

What a load of bollocks!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Well I listened carefully to what he said.

Quite clearly...if we leave the E U then Germany will annexe Austria and invade Poland from the West. Meanwhile Russia will come into Poland from the East and a new world war will start.

He is a nice man, that Mr Cameron...so he has convinced me that we must stay......NOT!

What a load of bollocks!"

You forget the Sudetenland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I happened to watch newsnight immigration special last night.

Was first rate programming, no heated arguing from a political views point just a good debate about the problems and the benefits.

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over a year ago

"You guys ... you can throw in the views of your guys to appease autocorrect if that works for you

nice wriggle.

As I said, could be a good thing. Do you not think that there are a lot of muslims in this country who want out of the EU too?

Godfrey's the one who wriggles - bladder problems.

I'm sure there are many people of all faiths as well as no religious faith at all who want to vote in for the good of the country. Other less sensible voting options are available too.

What's that got to do with the point you are trying to make about the composition of the commission?

I was following the thread but you were making no sense at all- so I definitely didn't follow that. That's why I asked.

On the basis of your utter lack of logic the supreme court is obviously a European white man's club and therefore also xenophobic.

But you just carry on with saying daft things Godfrey, there's plenty of 'your guys' who'll applaud any old nonsense.

You really have lost the plot son in your increasingly desperate attempts to defend the EU and are just making yourself look a bit silly now. Oh, bit like Cameron"

Poor Godfrey you need to read your own comments about xenophobia and the white mans club. You carry on tying yourself in knots with your lies. As with several others on here who've tried to explain things to you in simple terms I have to come to the conclusion that you're not worth the effort. Keep taking the medication.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Hmmmm. The pots and kettles are strong on this thread.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare.....

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over a year ago

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare....."

and why would that be?

the constant remarks about xenophobia and racism and little Englanders just because some people want to leave the EU is frankly just a lazy attempt to tar everyone with the same brush and a bit pathetic. Do you think wanting to stay in the EU gives you and others some kind of higher moral ground?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare.....

and why would that be?

No. Get over yourself or crying out loud.

Many people are in both camps for many different reasons.

It's undeniable that the "Eng-Ur-Lund" brigade are more likely to be in he Brexit camp than the Bremain camp.

It's a little disappointing to see so much of the Brexit strategy being based around apealing to this particular demographic but it's understandable. Any vote is a vote that matters regardless of the motives behind it.

You do understand that this is not saying most Brexiters are xenophobes and little britainers, don't you?

I am saying however that most xenophobes and little britainers are Brexiters.

You can see the difference between the two statements, can't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare.....

and why would that be?

No. Get over yourself or crying out loud.

Many people are in both camps for many different reasons.

It's undeniable that the "Eng-Ur-Lund" brigade are more likely to be in he Brexit camp than the Bremain camp.

You do understand that this is not saying most Brexiters are xenophobes and little britainers, don't you?

I am saying however that most xenophobes and little britainers are Brexiters.

You can see the difference between the two statements, can't you?

yes but you seem to think there are enough xenophobes in this country to swing the vote in brexits favour!

why would you live in a country like that?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

yes but you seem to think there are enough xenophobes in this country to swing the vote in brexits favour!

why would you live in a country like that?"

No. Clearly I don't. That's why I said I think the "In" camp will win it. For the love of god man, at least read what people have said!!!

as for their being enough xenophobes to swing the vote, it only takes one vote to swing it so of course there are.

And why would I live in a country like that?

What does that even mean? I already live here, in not deciding wether to or not.

You've arrived at the point where your just ranting now with no apparent sense or coherence. I think I'll leave you too it.

If you come up with a simple, salient topic or point you want to discuss, let me know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare....."

It's OK Fabio, we still consider those who come from the colonies to be sort of British

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare....."

An American friend did work for the EU, whilst he was here, so it's feasible F.

I think ever more strongly that we ought to remain. It may just shut that narcissist Johnson up a while.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes but you seem to think there are enough xenophobes in this country to swing the vote in brexits favour!

why would you live in a country like that?

No. Clearly I don't. That's why I said I think the "In" camp will win it. For the love of god man, at least read what people have said!!!

as for their being enough xenophobes to swing the vote, it only takes one vote to swing it so of course there are.

And why would I live in a country like that?

What does that even mean? I already live here, in not deciding wether to or not.

You've arrived at the point where your just ranting now with no apparent sense or coherence. I think I'll leave you too it.

If you come up with a simple, salient topic or point you want to discuss, let me know.

when did you say the 'in' vote will win it? Yesterday you didn't know and thought it would be a close call because of the passion of the xenophobes. What does passion have to do with it? It is numbers that count. Or are you just from the Gordon Brown school of thought?

Do you actually know anything of Europe and the problems there caused by the EU? Have you ever asked yourself why so many Europeans are coming here and what the effect of that is to the countries they are leaving? Do you care?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare.....

and why would that be?

nope its the fact that jobs are open to people all over europe if people want to take advantage of those oppotunities....

its not a case of 500 million people all wanting to come here and take jobs.... its also a case that 2 million uk citizens have taken advantage of the rules to get jobs in other countries....

its too easy an arguement to use its one way...

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

I've been saying I think the in vote will for about a week now. Might have been in the "in or out" post.

And yes, I did say in this thread that I think it will be a close thing, and I do!

How does one statement negate or contradict the other.

I think In will win it and I think it will be a close thing.

See, they are not mutually exclusive. They are statements able to be connected and to support each other. FFS it only English, try and keep up!

As for do I even know anything about Europe or care about it, I'm quickly realise I know one hell of a lot more than you do so climb down off your high horse fella.

I notice it was easier for you to spin off in yet another direction than take me up on the offer for a simple single topic debate. Never mind.

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over a year ago

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare.....

and why would that be?

nope its the fact that jobs are open to people all over europe if people want to take advantage of those oppotunities....

its not a case of 500 million people all wanting to come here and take jobs.... its also a case that 2 million uk citizens have taken advantage of the rules to get jobs in other countries....

its too easy an arguement to use its one way..."
You need to look more closely at that 2 million you keep going on about. What opportunities? The youth unemployment rate in southern Europe is running at about 50%. Thousands of properties have been reposessed, millions are trapped in negative equity. And how does importing thousands and thousands of people here help improve things there? It doesn't it just makes things worse. But all is well in the world of the remainers cuz they will shovel shit for us and fix our taps for a tenner

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

PS, I'm in the gym for an hour so as an alternative to ranting nonsense in hear which o won't see you could always stick your head in a bucket and shout. That way you will be sure to make lots of noise about what you think without any risk of taking on board alternative ideas or opinions. Which seems to be your thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"David Cameron has said that we should remain the EU to maintain peace.

We will still be in NATO if we leave the EU - so I don't really get his point.

I'm still undecided but he does irritate me with unsubstantiated arguments.

Your thoughts?

I thought Blair was the mother of all liars. Cameron makes Blair look sincere.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

A few interesting stats from the last few days. Yesterday a poll was published from petrol prices website, they surveyed 112,083 random road users and asked them how they will vote in the EU referendum. Results were...

Remain - 47%

Leave - 53%

Biggest lead yet shown for Leave in any poll.

Now today on sky news figures released by the electoral commission showed the total amount of public donations between February and April to the Remain campaign were 7.5 million. During the same period the Leave campaign received a total amount of 8.2 million. Things are looking good for Leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmmm. The pots and kettles are strong on this thread."

Do pop back in when you've finished washing up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And in other news today Italian banks face another crash with bad debts of around 300 billion euros sparking fears of a crisis in the eurozone on a far bigger scale than a Brexit would cause.

But apparently I talk rubbish and all is fine and dandy in the EU and we'd be fools to leave.

There will be nothing to leave pretty soon though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

another 24 degrees in Jockland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"another 24 degrees in Jockland

am I allowed to call Scots - Jocks???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are many reasons why I choose out. But one summed it up very well indeed.

If we vote "in" Europe will tell us and our Government to sit down, shut up and do as your told because your public has spoken and this is what they want...

Fancy living like that??

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"since you were talking about black people working for the EU..... i actually was thinking of applying.....

imagine that, an american kid taking advantage of a british system and working for the UK government in the EU....

i'm either living the dream... or a brexiters worst nightmare.....

and why would that be?

No. Get over yourself or crying out loud.

Many people are in both camps for many different reasons.

It's undeniable that the "Eng-Ur-Lund" brigade are more likely to be in he Brexit camp than the Bremain camp.

You do understand that this is not saying most Brexiters are xenophobes and little britainers, don't you?

I am saying however that most xenophobes and little britainers are Brexiters.

You can see the difference between the two statements, can't you?

And its more than a little disappointing that the remain camp tries to scare everyone into voting to stay in. Brexit will, apparently, cause

Millions of job losses

A worldwide economic collapse

War throughout Europe

To be honest, if that was really the case, and I was David Cameron, there would be no way I would even entertain the thought of a referendum. But hey, what a bargaining chip and position of strength to negotiate from.... Cameron must have really held them to ransom when getting our new deal...

Oh, wait a minute.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just seen Boris's Bus on the news. Apparently it's wrong we don't send 350 million a week to the EU , we send 161 million a week. How's that good for us as a country ?

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By *nfamyMan
over a year ago

Goole

I want to know what Boris's angle is

P.S Cameron is a rich pillock

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"David Cameron has said that we should remain the EU to maintain peace.

We will still be in NATO if we leave the EU - so I don't really get his point.

I'm still undecided but he does irritate me with unsubstantiated arguments.

Your thoughts?

That is a bit dim of him to say that. Although the EU was originally set up to stop Germany and France going to war. We weren't in it then so we're not needed

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By *hil153Man
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Got a friend works at NATO HQ in Brussels says the average Jo has no idea how bad leaving the EU will be for our own security. "

Bollox

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

David Cameron's taxpayer funded £9 million pro EU propaganda leaflet was debated in Westminster Hall, in the Second chamber in the house of commons on Monday 9th May as a result of over 200,000 people signing a petition against the use of taxpayers money to fund the Remain in EU leaflet. Now during the debate a number of MP's pointed out that Cameron completely forgot to mention the possible outbreak of war should we leave the EU in the propaganda leaflet. Now is this just incompetence by David Cameron and the government that they completely forgot to put it in the leaflet, or is this talk of war as many people have said on this thread just ridiculous scaremongering by Cameron and his Project fear campaign? Cameron is in a complete blind panic now I think he can see the tide is turning against him so be prepared for more nonsense over the next few weeks from him saying stuff which he apparently forgot to put in the £9 million tax payer funded leaflet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So all that stuff you wrote on the terrible danger from North Korea, Russia and China was just bullshit?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

In reply to Man4you I didn't write a pro EU propaganda leaflet claiming to be full of facts to inform the public which cost £9 million of taxpayers money, which then a few weeks later the same people who had influence on writing the leaflet come out with new claims which they apparently forgot to put in the original leaflet.

The taxpayers alliance condemned the use of £9 million of taxpayers money used on that leaflet. MP Bill Cash put forward an amendment through Parliament on that leaflet before it was published that it should be both accurate and impartial. On both counts he was assured by the government that it would be accurate and impartial. MP Bill Cash said during the debate on Monday that it is now clear that the leaflet was not accurate and it was not impartial. David Cameron and the remainers in government should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for producing and sending out that leaflet and they are still guilty of Pro EU propaganda now being tagged onto official government websites. Liam Fox MP and others now may be mounting a legal challenge against it to get those website links taken down. Cameron goes on about British values but so far in this referendum he has behaved in a very un-British way and he has totally disregarded the British value of a sense of fair play. His actions are going to come back to haunt him on June 24th.

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over a year ago

It was of course a rhetorical question so the fact that you failed to answer it with that rant doesn't matter.

Basically you went off on one earlier about the threat from North Korea, Russia and China, now you are saying there is no danger from anyone.

Could you kindly make your mind up which story you are using today? Currently both you and Cameron are agreeing that there are real dangers of war out there. He seems to be consistent about it whereas you change your mind depending on which way the wind blows. Still with your broken clock approach you're likely to be right half the time, you just don't know which half.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

And as usual you just went off on a rant of your own. The remain campaign constantly say the UK is not big enough or not good enough to survive on our own outside of the EU, but apparently we are big enough and strong enough in the EU to stop war from happening. It is remainers who don't seem to be able to make their mind up about what the UK is capable of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think BIGGER and STRONGER in EUROPE says it all, even with the highly amusing acronym.

I for one have been pointing out that we got to be the 5th biggest economy by GDP by being in the EU. Also using that nice Mr Hannan's data sources we are one of the most prosperous countries in the world.

Your lot seem to live in some broken down place with not enough of anything - you're always running our lovely country down.

We'll prosper in the EU, whereas good old little Englanders like you have no idea whatsoever with your 19th century jingoism... quaking at the thought of the nasty North Koreans too. That's the bulldog spirit. NOT.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

The government Defence Minister Penny Mordant MP is taking a different view to Cameron as she is backing Brexit. She doesn't think war will break out if we leave the EU. Kind of makes a mockery of Cameron's view when his Defence minister is saying the opposite. Now during that debate in Westminster Hall on Monday about Cameron's £9 million EU propaganda leaflet, there were dozens of MP's who turned up to voice their opinion on the leave side. In contrast only 1 front bench MP, the Europe Minister David Lidington turned up for the remain side. Says it all really that the Remain side cannot defend the use of taxpayers money for that propaganda leaflet and no MP's wanted to turn up to try to defend it. That's because it is indefensible.

During the debate Bill Cash MP quoted some interesting figures from the house of commons library.....that Britain's relationship to the other 27 member countries of the EU showed Britain has a trade deficit of £67.8 billion within the EU annually, and that Germany's relationship to the other 27 member countries of the EU showed Germany has a trade surplus of £81.8 billion within the EU annually. So Britain is making a loss while Germany is making a gain is it any wonder why they are so desperate for us to stay in. Bill Cash also pointed out that the UK has a trade surplus with the rest of the world outside the EU of £31.1 billion and growing each year. As I said Bill Cash said those figures came from the House of Commons Library so it shows we would be better off out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So your cowardly words kowtowing to the North Koreans, Russians and Chinese were bullshit is what you're saying now. The danger of war that existed for you further up this thread has disappeared and we no longer need to be 'frit' of the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans.

You seem to be flying whatever flag of political convenience you can find. Perhaps the hammer and sickle next?

One of the principles of fair play includes telling the truth, before you start crying crocodile tears again you should try the truth.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Lol, throwing your toys out of your pram again when faced with a set of figures you don't like. Amusing as ever. Keep it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah, every time you get caught out in one of your lies you throw up a smoke screen. Next you'll be denying that you said what you actually did.

So basically half way though this thread you were saying we were in extreme danger of war because of North Korea, China and Russia. You were agreeing with that nice Mr Cameron. Now the wind has changed direction and you're not agreeing with him. It's almost worth £9 million to see you tie yourself in knots.

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