FabSwingers.com forum: If Nazi Germany Won World War 2

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

We'd all be wearing lederhosen and drinking out of steins

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England, or the UK?

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By *punkyhelmet5Man
over a year ago

Weston-super-mare

Tbh Germany seem to rule the Eu so i guess not much different to now would be your answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the Nazis were still in power? Shit.

Literally ANY minority - whether that be related to sexuality, race, religion - would be dead or have zero quality of life.

Basically what Britain First would like...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And slapping our thighs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trains would run on time

Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Angela Merkel would only have to shave some of her tache

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We'd not have a go at Muslim running our capital city

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The women of the U.K. Would probably be free of razor burn?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"If the Nazis were still in power? Shit.

Literally ANY minority - whether that be related to sexuality, race, religion - would be dead or have zero quality of life.

Basically what Britain First would like..."

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

The street names might be interesting:

Goebbels Grove

Adolf Avenue

Dirlewanger Drive

to name a few

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Atomised by the US.

Oh. Shit..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You wouldn't have this fab site for a start.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

A Redcoat at Butlins?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met)"

As I was born in the colonies I think I would have been. The Nazi would still want sugar, bauxite, gold, diamonds and bananas wouldn't they? I would never have made it to London though.

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By *arensexyWoman
over a year ago

east mids

What a stupid question,welcome to North Korea ring a bell?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Ve could be on febsvingers unt ze vomen vould hef to sleep viz all zee men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met)"

That's a point - would the Nazis have approved of a dark-haired unmarried couple having a dark-haired daughter?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The trains would run on time

Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo

Is it any good? I'm interested but I don't know if I'm interested enough to go out and get a box set.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably better off than we are now ....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Probably better off than we are now ....

In what ways, specifically?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Probably better off than we are now ....

no Eastenders..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do a great impression of Adolph Hitler

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably better off than we are now ....

In what way?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Scotland would be ok....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Scotland would be ok....

In what way?

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like?

Better porn,less humour.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Scotland would be ok....

In what way?

They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like?

Better porn,less humour.

More Bukkake maybe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no thoughts on this subject but i do have 4 bottles of guinness porter in the fridge

Cheers

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Scotland would be ok....

In what way?

They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!

All the gingers would be in danger.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

John Cleese would never have been allowed to do the funny walk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'

Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'

Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ?

Hence the appropriation of the Swastika.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'

Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ?

Hence the appropriation of the Swastika.

Yes indeed

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

As Churchill said...we would sink into the abyss of a new dark age.......

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

would I still have my vw ...or my karcher pressure washer.....no shaved pussies...hairy armpits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was the best of times, it was the wurst of times....?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It was the best of times, it was the wurst of times....?"

I knew there would be a sausage in there somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The trains would run on time

Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo

Is it any good? I'm interested but I don't know if I'm interested enough to go out and get a box set.

Watching it on Amazon Prime

Gripping stuff

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The trains would run on time

Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo

Is it any good? I'm interested but I don't know if I'm interested enough to go out and get a box set.

Watching it on Amazon Prime

Gripping stuff

I don't anything Amazon... even though it's where I'm from.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'

Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ?

Hence the appropriation of the Swastika.

Yes indeed

It was Himmler and the SS who were in to all that nonsense.

Hitler didn't subscribe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Luckily we will never know , so lets move on and be glad

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

i would not be here nor would my farther or my grandparents as they were both strong union and Labour party activists my grand farther was a councilor and mayor of earith kent and also stood for parliament he and all his family would of been liquidated

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Anyone referenced Robert Harris' book, Fatherland, yet?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Anyone referenced Robert Harris' book, Fatherland, yet?

It was quite highbrow - The Man in the High Castle, last time I checked...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing much would be different, the UK would probably be better off having had our war debts written off and German army bases in the UK instead of British ones in Germany. Both countries would have elected around 35 new governments between then and now. perhaps the British car industry would still have British owners?

And most importantly Lickety would still be here as we would still have needed new workers from the colonies to replace those killed.

did the USA lose to Japan in this fantasy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hugo boss would be even more popular...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wouldn't be Alan Sugar on The Apprentice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We'd all be driving Trabants except those with frontal lobotomies who'd still be driving BMWs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd all be driving Trabants except those with frontal lobotomies who'd still be driving BMWs

Wasn't the trabant Russian?

Would we have still had the cold war?

did the iPhone get invented?

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Gloomy in the main. Breaks into Springtime for Hitler .... and repeat to fade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

whats the dif between WW2 & now with Germans in control of the EU.

it still cost's the UK Money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we'd be speaking german, hmmm sexy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

Alive. Some of us would not have been born.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

We would be part of a unified Europe run by the Germans with the French complicit.

Hang on a minute.

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By *iforfun999Man
over a year ago

Haverfordwest

Sie sprechen Deutsch . es ist die jetzt Muttersprache !

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"We would be part of a unified Europe run by the Germans with the French complicit.

Hang on a minute.

Hmmmmm and Hmmmmm Again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The trains would run on time

Whats interesting is what the germans though of us during the war

"In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that? There is nothing the British do not have. They have the geniuses and we have the nincompoops. After the war is over I'm going to buy a British radio set - then at least I'll own something that has always worked."

Hermann Göring, head of the lufftwaffer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we'd be speaking german, hmmm sexy.

Why would we?

If this logic held true we'd be speaking french now.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

"The trains would run on time

Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo

Oh I'd forgotten I want to watch that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it would look like the utopia Donald Trump is promising America.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would probably be exactly how it is now except we'd all be white, blonde hair & blue eyes.

David Cameron is nothing if not Hitler reincarnated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

David Cameron is nothing if not Hitler reincarnated."

And retarded statement of the year has a strong new contender

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Scrabble wouldn't have been invented.

Think about it

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By *wilighteyesWoman
over a year ago

Dublin

There is a good film that explores this premise, Fatherland, Rutger Hauer and Miranda Richardson star in it, its a bit dated now, but still interesting.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"The trains would run on time

Whats interesting is what the germans though of us during the war

Hermann Göring, head of the lufftwaffer"

German fighter pilots were awarded two "kills" for every Mosquito they shot down.

Someone once said that if you want the ultimate world beating product.

Get a Brit to invent it, a German to build it, and a Yank to sell it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

according to a recent study the results would be the same lol

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By *ali 69Man
over a year ago

jersey

"As Churchill said...we would sink into the abyss of a new dark age......."
And that prophesy came to pass in 1979 when the evil Thatcher and her vampires came to power , lest we fucking forget .

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"As Churchill said...we would sink into the abyss of a new dark age....... And that prophesy came to pass in 1979 when the evil Thatcher and her vampires came to power , lest we fucking forget .

That is like going into hospital for major life saving surgery then slagging off the doctor because the wound is a bit sore.

By late '78/early'79 Britain's economic disease was terminal (I know because I was there) Of course Mrs T wielded the knife, and not every cut was a good one, but 10 years on and the country, as a whole, was a damn site better off than when she started. Although maybe still limping a bit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the Nazis were still in power? Shit.

Literally ANY minority - whether that be related to sexuality, race, religion - would be dead or have zero quality of life.

Basically what Britain First would like..."

spot on- Many of my friends and family would be victims.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"i would not be here nor would my farther or my grandparents as they were both strong union and Labour party activists my grand farther was a councilor and mayor of earith kent and also stood for parliament he and all his family would of been liquidated "
I used to live in erith

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be in a camp due to me being a Pagan :')

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would never have existed, my maternal grandparents were both involved in the communist party post war and had very strong left wing views and would have never stood a chance

Conversely I suspect my father would

have embraced the regime and reveled in the opportunity to hurt those who didn't agree with fascist ideology

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being totally boring, and looking at how countries normalise after pretty much every war that has ever been fought, Had the Germans not gone to war with Russia and the USA had stayed out of it, the UK would probably have fallen in 1942 at the latest. Many would not have died, including those in the work camps in Germany, the USSR would never have existed, and by now the global picture would look very much as it is now.

But perhaps we would still be using phone boxes...

the lack of a cold war would have stifled attempts to get into space, microchips and computers would not have developed so fast, other wars based on capitalism v communism would not have happened. the middle east would not have a problem controlling fundementalsm, Israel would not exist and America would never have been there so if they did it would not spill out as hatred of the west.

As for the NAZI party, they would by now have gone the way of the Social Democrats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn't Hitler have the UK earmarked as a breeding colony? I would probably have 10 blue eyed,light haired children by now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would never have existed, my maternal grandparents were both involved in the communist party post war and had very strong left wing views and would have never stood a chance

Conversely I suspect my father would

have embraced the regime and reveled in the opportunity to hurt those who didn't agree with fascist ideology"

I like your dad. Not so keen on your grand parents

No one knows what it would have been like. My opinion is the status quo is generally found.

As someone else on this thread has hinted at, look at the USSR. It collapsed with mass conflict as previous countries want of national pride and independance returned.

I suspect eventually the same would have occured throughout Europe.

I also agree technological progress may have been stiffled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like?

It depends on whether we were defeated by them or we allied with them.

If we lost then the UK would look like some of the shitter parts of Europe do today.

If we allied with them then we would talk about Stalin like we do Hitler (today) and we would all specialise in making apologies for the Nazi's like we do the Soviets "Nazi ideology is good in theory, it just didn't work in practice".

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Being totally boring, and looking at how countries normalise after pretty much every war that has ever been fought, Had the Germans not gone to war with Russia and the USA had stayed out of it, the UK would probably have fallen in 1942 at the latest. Many would not have died, including those in the work camps in Germany, the USSR would never have existed, and by now the global picture would look very much as it is now.

But perhaps we would still be using phone boxes...

As for the NAZI party, they would by now have gone the way of the Social Democrats.

Israel would not have existed because Hitler would have been free to carry on exterminating Jews and many other minorities at his leisure. Take of the rose tinted spectacles, Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's were and would be appalling. Astonishing comments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Israel would not have existed because Hitler would have been free to carry on exterminating Jews and many other minorities at his leisure. Take of the rose tinted spectacles, Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's were and would be appalling. Astonishing comments."

No rose tinted glasses involved, Hitler and some of the people close to him are NOT the German race, but war blinded most Germans to what was happening. we have had the same "ethnic clensing" since, but it only really happens on that scale when war stops the normal people noticing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We'd all be driving Trabants except those with frontal lobotomies who'd still be driving BMWs

Wasn't the trabant Russian?

Would we have still had the cold war?

did the iPhone get invented?

The Trabant was produced by VEB Sachsenring in East Germany

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Trabant was produced by VEB Sachsenring in East Germany"

Thank you, but that was post war, when Russia ruled East Germany and 4 stroke engines were an impossible dream.

Followed one once in Hungary, it was interesting, family of 5 in it getting to about 30mph, 15 on hills though.

Only experienced 2 stroke in motorcycle engines, but love the simplicity and lack of moving parts in them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of racial hate would have been encouraged to flow. Swingers events would have been closed down as sexual crimes. A lot of us would be executed as we are openly Bisexual. The Nazi regime, while not starting out with hatred, brought people fuled by hatred towards it. It was these men who made it a disgusting party

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you read "Hitler's Willing Executioners" by Daniel Goldberg? It contends that the German people (and others in occupied areas) were far more aware of and complicity in what was going on than generally thought.

The Nuremburg Trials managed, perhaps by accident rather than design, to cement the idea that a small number of Nazis were responsible for the crimes. Of course, Western Europe had a desperate need to absolve the German people in order to stave off communism but perhaps also The human psyche simply does not wish to recognise the horror that we are capable of.

It's a very interesting read (not uncontroversial) which flies in the face of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

....common perception

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like?

Well...I probably wouldn't exist so I'm glad they've lost!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I believe that humans are destructive, and tribal hatred is just held in place by normal civilisation. In times of war, it surfaces in many. Just look at BNP and it's more socially acceptable offspring UKIP. to see that hatred of difference to the perceived norm is common in many people.

But in times of peace a more rational civilised normality takes hold and the few twisted people are held in check.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like?

No idea. Wouldn't have been born as my grandmother was a jew.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It's a very interesting read (not uncontroversial) which flies in the face of "

Yup good book and a definite eye opener. I can also attest that nazi sensibilities are still much alive in Germany particularly in the east. In fact, they have an annual march from Leipzig city centre to the Battle of Nations monument.

I've personally experienced such prejudice there, sad to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like they would have flourished under a national socialist party :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like they would have flourished under a national socialist party :p"

Social Democrats and Trade Unionists were amongst the first people to be rounded up and sent to work camps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like they would have flourished under a national socialist party :p

Social Democrats and Trade Unionists were amongst the first people to be rounded up and sent to work camps.

Or course (real) trade unions were opposed / scorned in communist countries too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world."

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

You could start by reading his book

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

You could start by reading his book"

How do I know he wrote it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone would be driving Mercs.

I guess that wouldn't be such a bad thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

You could start by reading his book

How do I know he wrote it

Now you're talking, I don't think he did. I think it's all a cover up to ditract from the fact that Xemu was the one who invented the atom bomb - where else do you suggest thetans come from?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

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over a year ago

What i find funny is that people dont think in 70 years the party and politics would have changed at all.

Those saying gays would be persecuted for instance.

We had it as a crime during the war too just look at Turing our treatment of homosexuals bak then was abhorrent but we changed.

I think simmilar changes wouls have happened no matter who won over the years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth."

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*? "

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research."

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

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By *lassyandadventurousMan
over a year ago

England and Wales

We owe a great debt to the generation who fought so hard to keep the UK a safe free place to live.

Let's hope this generation all want the same thing.

Freedom and safety

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-? "

Insert it where?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where? "

Twas sarcasm m' lady.

I was mocking the people that will combat your sensible logic with nonsense, as is common in fab land.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Twas sarcasm m' lady.

I was mocking the people that will combat your sensible logic with nonsense, as is common in fab land. "

Yes I know. Hence my suggestive 'insert it where' question.

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By *onnie55Man
over a year ago

Port Talbot

Anyone read 'The Plot Against America' by Philip Roth? Interesting - Charles Lindbergh gets elected president.. Won't say more, spoil the story!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where? "

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?

People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

At the Wannsee Conference in Berlin 1942 Reinhard Heydrich and company drew up lists of Jewish numbers per country yet to be occupied. These were lists of potential victims. Had Germany invaded they would have annihilated every last one of them including my grandmother and mother (who was 6 when the war started). Make no mistake. All writings and political decisions attest to a COMPLETE lack of tolerance by the Nazi's. It was enshrined in their beliefs and political organisation.

You need to read a bit more about it. The evidence is all there in the public domain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

Your making a logical error!

Genuine conspiracy requires people to shut their mouth and know their role, which they aren't generally good at. Therefore, genuine conspiracies usually get uncovered. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker this will happen.

The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

Your making a logical error!

The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf. "

I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf.

I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment

Some people are so tetchy about the silliest things

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

Your making a logical error!

The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf. "

Hitler dictated the book to Hoess in Landesburg prison where he was sent after the failed Munich Putsch. He had it published in his own name and often used the same rhetoric in the book in his speeches. Therefore, even if we can say he didn't physically write it it was still a book of ideas he utterly believed in. As dictator for 12 years if he did not believe in those words it was within his power to suppress the book in the many book burnings held across Germany at the time.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I think that everyone would be blonde and blue eyed and if you weren't at birth then you'd be put to rest.

Procreation would be by insemination.

Trains would run on time and the shops would be full of pumpernickel, sauerkraut and jam filled ginger hearts.

All undesirables would have been exterminated.

The tories wouldn't exist in their present form which is simply too far right for Nazis.

The under fives would attend goosestepping school.

Eidelweiss would grow in every garden.

Pubs would sell hot beer.

People wouldn't be so sexually hung up ... and kinky would lose it's meaning.

Europe would be one massive continent with one name...... but there'd be a few italian ice cream shops and some kids would be called Franco

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

'hot beer ' ??? I meant mulled wine.....

Time for carousel methinks.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

wouldnt be much different, we won the war to later sign up to be run by them, so only difference would probably be we speak german, and europe would speak german aswell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We may have a big sense of shame for our conduct in ww1 and our internment camps in both wars. as the story would be told differently. But we wouldn't be speaking German, the Holywood effect would still have made the global language English.

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By *outhfulPowerMan
over a year ago

Hemel

Women would actually be able to fuck

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

Your making a logical error!

The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf.

I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf.

I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment

Some people are so tetchy about the silliest things

"the silliest things" really, perhaps you should stop trying to use 'sarcasm' and 'irony' when in fact a subject matter is so incredibly wrong for that. 6 million people did not get killed by one or two people, it was endemic in German society, which is partly why Germany had been so anti military for the past 70 years. I just think you are sad making light of this. As another poster said, please read around the subject and perhaps some proper books - ones that didn't get burned by the Nazi's...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like?

They didn't win so can't comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

Your making a logical error!

The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf.

I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf.

I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment

Some people are so tetchy about the silliest things

As I said. Tetchy

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By *elly39devonCouple
over a year ago

tavistock

hi slightly worried by some of the comments, we would have very few freedoms and certainly our gay community would have a very hard time and us who are celtic origin dark haired would be suspect probably never been born.

He was evil and nothing the holocaust denyers ( I cant spell that) could ever make good

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world.

Playing devils advocate here.

How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda?

Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true.

For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed.

Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product

No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?

As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.

Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?

Insert it where?

Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.

Your making a logical error!

The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf.

I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf.

I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment

Some people are so tetchy about the silliest things

As I said. Tetchy

it is just sad that you don't get it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hi slightly worried by some of the comments, we would have very few freedoms and certainly our gay community would have a very hard time and us who are celtic origin dark haired would be suspect probably never been born.

He was evil and nothing the holocaust denyers ( I cant spell that) could ever make good"

Yes Hitler and his cohorts were evil, and encouraged allowed many others to be evil too.

But to give it some context on the gay issue, being homosexual in England was illegal until 1967, Germany was a year behind England.

In Scotland it was illegal until 1980.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

He was evil and nothing the holocaust denyers ( I cant spell that) could ever make good

Yes Hitler and his cohorts were evil, and encouraged allowed many others to be evil too.

But to give it some context on the gay issue, being homosexual in England was illegal until 1967, Germany was a year behind England.

In Scotland it was illegal until 1980. "

Having marched in the 80s for Gay rights I can only agree with you that this was horrendous. As was the fact that Women only got the vote in the UK in 1918 for 30 and over and 1928 for 21 and over!

And Switzerland in 1971!

Equality means every gender, every colour, every creed, every religious persuasion (although this one gets a bit corrupted nowadays as many 'religions' are seemingly aimed at persecuting non-believers)

However - "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", but I certainly don't have to agree with some of the nonsense on this thread.

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met)

That's a point - would the Nazis have approved of a dark-haired unmarried couple having a dark-haired daughter?"
dont recall hitler being blond

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort.

Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met)

That's a point - would the Nazis have approved of a dark-haired unmarried couple having a dark-haired daughter?dont recall hitler being blond"

I heard he was a Ginger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn't Hitler have the UK earmarked as a breeding colony? I would probably have 10 blue eyed,light haired children by now."

Aww. Did we miss out on a breeding colony? Oh no, wait. Blackpool still happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blonde hair dye would be popular

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn't Hitler have the UK earmarked as a breeding colony? I would probably have 10 blue eyed,light haired children by now."

I'm blue eyed and light hair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard

you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies.

Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war

Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No Surrender Ever!

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard

you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies.

Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war

Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA"

I remember reading the book "Devils Guard" many years ago about former SS men who served for the French in (what is now) Vietnam.

Part fact part fiction but a very good read.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard

you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies.

Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war

Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA"

Many marched to Sudetenland, Poland, Denmark, Notway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France during the war as well!

Stop being a war apologist, the German forces, especially the Waffen SS, were brutal and killed many people even before we start to look at concentration camps. The lifes of people under German occupation was not pleasant in any way.

Yes we can accept that after the war we have to move on and let everybody rebuild their life's, but don't paint the German forces as a bunch of guys 'who were just following orders'...

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"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard

you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies.

Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war

Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA

Many marched to Sudetenland, Poland, Denmark, Notway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France during the war as well!

Yes we can accept that after the war we have to move on and let everybody rebuild their life's, but don't paint the German forces as a bunch of guys 'who were just following orders'..."

There is always good and bad on both sides of war buddy, you may be classed as a fool if you cannot accept that

even recent Kosovo Serbs war proved war crimes of shocking event

a pregnant female being tied to a tree, having her stomach cut open and the child falling to her feet

war is hell

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard

you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies.

Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war

Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA

Many marched to Sudetenland, Poland, Denmark, Notway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France during the war as well!

Yes we can accept that after the war we have to move on and let everybody rebuild their life's, but don't paint the German forces as a bunch of guys 'who were just following orders'..."

The vast majority of SS men were die hard Nazi's even in the fighting units (Waffen SS) Including the wife's great uncle who was SS Leibstandarte which was not only a fighting unit but also provided Hitler's personal bodyguard. She never knew him because, although he survived the war, he was killed in an accident shortly afterwards. No-one alive in the family today knows (or will say) exactly what he did during those times but from a photo I have seen he at least reached the rank of Hauptsturmfuhrer (equivalent to a captain in the army)

On the other side of the coin her grandparents (on the other side of the family) hid then helped a Jewish family escape from Germany just before the outbreak of the war. In the last weeks of the war the same grandparents also hid their 15 year old son (the wife's father) telling the Volkssturm recruiters that he had disappeared during an air raid.

If you dig deep enough you will find similar stories in most German families.

There was no black and white just a full spectrum from dyed in the wool Nazi's to (albeit underground) full blown opposition and everything in between.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was propaganda on both sides the UK government ran the ministry of information (something along those lines) the US had a similar propaganda department and the Nazis had theirs.

Hitler.. Yeah pretty nasty guy.

But then so was Winston Churchill.

Bomber Harris did stuff Winston Churchill disproved of!.

I'm dammed sure some Nazi members did stuff Hitler disproved of, to the best of my knowledge last time I looked, nobody had ever found one single document proving Hitler even knew about the concentration camps let alone gave every order for them... That means some very nasty Nazi party members who probably were more mixed up in them got away with it more than they should have.

I can't think of the guys name now but the Nazi hunter Simon something spent his entire life tracking down dozens of some of the worst atrocity makes for 50 or 60 years, Africa, south America, Europe,crazily some had even hidden in Israel!.

Most of them just liked torturing and killing people, it really had no more meaning than that, they didn't particularly hate Jews or gays(some were gay themselves) or gypsies, they were just the ones they could "get away" with but sure as hell there'd be coming along the line for everybody else because they were "fucking nuts".

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"If" is quite a small word with a big meaning....

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By *uerido55Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"would I still have my vw ...or my karcher pressure washer.....no shaved pussies...hairy armpits"

As for the car question....

In 1932, Adolf Hitler wanted his German citizens to have the same access to a car as the Americans and so ordered the production of a basic vehicle capable of transporting two adults and three children at 100 km/h (62 mph).

So the answer is, "probably, yes".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

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Mmmm a very interesting guy.

Well worth a read, cheers.

And yes Simon weistenhome appears in there as well. It seems Otto wanted off his list

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

Mmmm a very interesting guy.

Well worth a read, cheers.

And yes Simon weistenhome appears in there as well. It seems Otto wanted off his list

Yeah, the Mossad showed up at Otto's door and he thought they were gonna kill him - instead they offered him a job. WTF?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective.

"So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!"

Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's...

Gobsmacked!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

Mmmm a very interesting guy.

Well worth a read, cheers.

And yes Simon weistenhome appears in there as well. It seems Otto wanted off his list

Yeah, the Mossad showed up at Otto's door and he thought they were gonna kill him - instead they offered him a job. WTF?"
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People who are "fucking nuts" always seem to be attracted to each other and then go on to form "groups".

Propaganda is what's used to make people think one "group" is less "fucking nuts" than the other group?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective.

"So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!"

Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's...

Gobsmacked!

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I didn't say that, before getting arsey with my history, try reading what I wrote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I've just heard on radio that Hull was the most bombed city ( outside of London ) during the blitz

Well they are taking there bleeding time rebuilding I can tell yer

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective.

"So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!"

Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's...

Gobsmacked!

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so bomber Harris bombing of Dresden was good was it ? I'm amazed how some people think bombing of innocent cities is ok by any side ..still that's the British for you..so Churchill elected after the war was he even the dockers had to be paid to lower their cranes in honor after his death ..still that's history ehh

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

There would be no Jews running the country.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There would be no Jews running the country."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was going to say I probably would not be here as I am a short ass with black/bald/grey hair lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There would be no Jews running the country.

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Don't look at me!.

I've called Osborne a fat faced fuckwit I'll admit but never big nose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Was going to say I probably would not be here as I am a short ass with black/bald/grey hair lol"
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So was Hitler

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective.

"So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!"

Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's...

Gobsmacked!

so bomber Harris bombing of Dresden was good was it ? I'm amazed how some people think bombing of innocent cities is ok by any side ..still that's the British for you..so Churchill elected after the war was he even the dockers had to be paid to lower their cranes in honor after his death ..still that's history ehh"

Hiroshima and Nagasaki aside the bombing of Dresden was probably the most controversial raid in the whole of WW2. However it is very easy to fall into the trap of looking at mid 20th century history through 21st century eyes.

Although the German army was in retreat in early 1945 it was still putting up a spirited resistance and the Russians were losing thousands upon thousands of troops.

At the Yalta conference a couple of weeks before Dresden it was discussed as to how the western allies could help the Russians in an attempt to shorten the war and depending on who you believe Stalin did (or didn't) specifically ask for Dresden to be bombed.

It was widely believed at the time that the Germans were transferring troops from the western front to the east, and bombing Dresden and Leipzig, which were both important railway junctions, would not only hinder this but would also have an effect on German morale.

In wartime many decisions have to be taken looking at the overall picture. For example: Let's imagine for a moment that Dresden was not bombed. Because of this the German army managed to redeploy units from the west and hold up the Russians until November (as was widely believed could happen) at the cost of many thousands of Russian lives. Would historians be kind to Churchill, Harris and Co. for knowingly letting a was shortening target escape? I think not.

BTW. Although Harris gets most of the stick for Dresden it should be remembered that nearly as many American aircraft took part in the raids as RAF.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There would be no Jews running the country."

Oy vey zmir

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Europe would not have the problems with the invasions as they have today as control is what they are good at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There would be no Jews running the country.

There would be lots of ignorant people like this around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There would be no conflict in syria.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

What strange about that? Frank Abagnale works for the FBI, hackers work for GCHQ once they get busted- it's logical!!

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

Eamon develera asked churchill the very same question....he put a scenario to churchill and asked....what would england do...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

What strange about that? Frank Abagnale works for the FBI, hackers work for GCHQ once they get busted- it's logical!! "

I doubt very much that Abignale's former brothers in arms will give him the Nazi salute for a send off at his graveside whilst not knowing their mate had been working for the other side

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

"There would be no Jews running the country.

There would be lots of ignorant people like this around. "
not exactly ignorant, thread is nazis had won the the, they would have carried on killing jews till there was none left, that would have been a frightening reality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Europe would not have the problems with the invasions as they have today as control is what they are good at."

Bloody hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbh Germany seem to rule the Eu so i guess not much different to now would be your answer"

Hahahahaha

Spot on

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Europe would not have the problems with the invasions as they have today as control is what they are good at.

Bloody hell

Par for the course, I'm afraid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There would be no Jews running the country.

There would be lots of ignorant people like this around. not exactly ignorant, thread is nazis had won the the, they would have carried on killing jews till there was none left, that would have been a frightening reality"

Oh yes , I'm sure that's what he meant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective.

"So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!"

Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's...

Gobsmacked!

Hiroshima and Nagasaki aside the bombing of Dresden was probably the most controversial raid in the whole of WW2. for Dresden it should be remembered that nearly as many American aircraft took part in the raids as RAF."
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I dunno there was the direct order for the sinking of the French fleet in harbour killing about 1400 French sailors!.

The deliberate and willful fire bombing of Japan for three weeks before Nagasaki and Hiroshima which killed half a million... And that was despite Japan being completely and utterly out of fuel to fight with!.

The three days we promised Stalin where we sat outside Berlin doing fuck all while the Soviets ransacked, plundered and rapped every woman in Berlin...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The three days we promised Stalin where we sat outside Berlin doing fuck all while the Soviets ransacked, plundered and rapped every woman in Berlin..."

Hush now, can't criticise uncle Joe, you'll upset the loony lefties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The German Blitz's of British cities were not accidental.

We goaded them into it, they were attacking the radar installations along the south coast and without them the RAF was done for!.

So bomber command came up with the idea to bomb Berlin and German cities so that the Germans would deliberately retaliate and bomb British cities, thus taking away their abilities to attack the radar stations, hell the Luftwaffe even warned Hitler that was the British intention... Of course Hitler being Hitler he returned to Berlin from his house in Austria to be with the people during the bombing of Berlin and after a few days his intolerance grew, where he announced to the Berliners that they would return the bombing ten fold on London!.

Of course Churchill had moved from London, he was a smart military cookie unlike Hitler!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Hitler was a vindictive so-and-so...

* Hitler planned to take Nelson's Column to Berlin.

* Hitler decreed that Blenheim Palace, the ancestral home of Winston Churchill, was to serve as the overall headquarters of the German occupation military government.

* A Channel 5 documentary broadcast on 16 July 2009 repeated the claim that the Germans intended to restore Edward VIII to the throne in the event of a German occupation.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Einsatzgruppen (lit., "task forces" which operated as death squads) under Dr. Franz Six were to follow the invasion force to establish the New Order. Six's headquarters were to be in London, with regional task forces in Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and Edinburgh.

They were provided with a list (known as the Black Book) of 2,820 people to be arrested immediately.

The Einsatzgruppen were also tasked with liquidating Britain's Jewish population, which numbered over 300,000.

According to captured German documents, the commander-in-chief of the German Army, Walther von Brauchitsch, directed that "The able-bodied male population between the ages of 17 and 45 will, unless the local situation calls for an exceptional ruling, be interned and dispatched to the Continent."

This represented about 25% of male citizens.

The UK was then to be plundered for anything of financial, military, industrial or cultural value, and the remaining population terrorised.

Civilian hostages would be taken, and the death penalty immediately imposed for even the most trivial acts of resistance.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Watch: It Happened Here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Happened_Here

It Happened Here (also known as It Happened Here: The Story of Hitler's England) is a black-and white 1964 British World War II film written, produced and directed by Kevin Brownlow and Andrew Mollo, who began work on the film as teenagers. The film's largely amateur production took some eight years, using volunteer actors with some support from professional filmmakers.

It Happened Here is set in an alternate history where the United Kingdom has been invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany. The plot follows the experiences of an Irish nurse working in England, who encounters people who believe collaboration with the invaders is for the best whilst others are involved in the resistance movement against the occupiers and their local collaborators.

Cheery, huh?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"The German Blitz's of British cities were not accidental.

We goaded them into it, they were attacking the radar installations along the south coast and without them the RAF was done for!.

Of course Churchill had moved from London, he was a smart military cookie unlike Hitler!"

No no sorry. I usually like your posts but on this one you are (mostly) wrong.

What became known as the Battle of Britain started with the Luftwaffe, after harassing convoys in the channel, upping the ante by trying to destroy the RAF either on the ground or by bringing them to battle where they thought that German numerical superiority would win the day.

Hitler and the German high command were shit scared of the Royal Navy and the only way they could see a successful seaborne invasion of Britain was to have air superiority over the channel which would give them the ability to keep the RN in check. For this reason alone Hitler refused to launch "Operation Sealion" (the invasion of Britain) until the RAF was defeated.

Sorry about the preamble but now to city bombing.

During the Battle of Britain it is well documented that the first bombs dropped on London were by mistake. Luftwaffe pilots had strict orders NOT to bomb London.

Needless to say Britain retaliated with a small, pretty ineffective, raid on Berlin. As this was the first time Berlin had been attacked Hitler was incensed and ordered (against the better judgement of his field commanders) the Luftwaffe to switch to London as the main target.

It was not a deliberate ploy by bomber command just, as is often the case, a chain reaction of events that began with one mistake. I would add that in 1940 bomber command didn't have enough pilots or aircraft to mount a concerted bombing campaign against Germany.

However that mistake is probably what saved Britain in the dark days of the summer of 1940. The RAF was taking losses that if continued would probably have seen Hitler's plan come to fruition. It was only the switch to London that gave the RAF the breathing space it needed.

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