FabSwingers.com forum: Centaur UK - I salute you (it's a UKIP thing)

By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

You've been saying for years that UKIP will be a contender. Now they have shown that they really are with enough seats across most countries in the UK.

I'm sad to say that I think this is an early indication of the direction of travel for the referendum.

You haven't got my vote, Centaur, but I'm acknowledging your faith in your party is beginning to show results where it counts.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair, too many of us have just been closing our eyes and hoping they'd go away. They're evidently not going to.

Slippery buggers

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

LOL

Consistent at least, I suppose.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"To be fair, too many of us have just been closing our eyes and hoping they'd go away. They're evidently not going to.

Slippery buggers

I know. I just thought our resident Ukipper should get a thread.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i don't get it that people in the area's that have been net gainers from the EU and for whom central Government seem to care less about than their heartlands are voting for the party who would take us out of the EU and therefore cut any further input..

is i missing summat ..

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i don't get it that people in the area's that have been net gainers from the EU and for whom central Government seem to care less about than their heartlands are voting for the party who would take us out of the EU and therefore cut any further input..

is i missing summat .."

I don't get it either but they are.

What it says to me is that the rather lacklustre Bremain campaign needs to up its game.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What it says to me is that for decades the politicians and the media have been using the EU as a scapegoat. Unfortunately many of the British public believe that all the evils of the world are from Brussels, when the truth is it is the inept uk government, including the Welsh assembly,

Also weirdly UKIP policy of getting elected on a promise not to do the job they are elected to do has delivered on the claim that we have no say in the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not really a surprise.

You only have to look at every other European country, they have anti eu parties getting roughly the same support!.

What it tells me, is the EU is Marmite

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What it says to me is that for decades the politicians and the media have been using the EU as a scapegoat. Unfortunately many of the British public believe that all the evils of the world are from Brussels, when the truth is it is the inept uk government, including the Welsh assembly,

Also weirdly UKIP policy of getting elected on a promise not to do the job they are elected to do has delivered on the claim that we have no say in the EU."

I've never understood the fact of being elected to be paid to specifically not do the job while complaining that too much money is being spent on people not doing the job they should be doing.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"You've been saying for years that UKIP will be a contender. Now they have shown that they really are with enough seats across most countries in the UK.

I'm sad to say that I think this is an early indication of the direction of travel for the referendum.

You haven't got my vote, Centaur, but I'm acknowledging your faith in your party is beginning to show results where it counts.

Well on that basis I will say congratulations to you on Labour getting the London Mayor with Sadiq Khan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do have a fondness for that beppe grillo party in Italy, I think it's called five star?.

They're getting really good support

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"You've been saying for years that UKIP will be a contender. Now they have shown that they really are with enough seats across most countries in the UK.

I'm sad to say that I think this is an early indication of the direction of travel for the referendum.

You haven't got my vote, Centaur, but I'm acknowledging your faith in your party is beginning to show results where it counts.

Well on that basis I will say congratulations to you on Labour getting the London Mayor with Sadiq Khan.

Thank you very much. It looks like London may have two UKIP Assembly Members.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Oh lawd we are doomed

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Oh lawd we are doomed

I hope not.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Oh lawd we are doomed

I hope not.

I don't know the amount of racial rants I've had to hear over the past week has sent me over the edge

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Oh lawd we are doomed

I hope not.

I don't know the amount of racial rants I've had to hear over the past week has sent me over the edge

I'm going with "it's always darkest before the dawn". We have 47 days and 11 hours until the referendum but that wasn't the point of the post.

Centaur has been saying for years that UKIP will count and now they do and we dismissing them as loonies doesn't help when they hold elected seats.

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By *r Man.Man
over a year ago

London

Also weirdly UKIP policy of getting elected on a promise not to do the job they are elected to do has delivered on the claim that we have no say in the EU.

I've never understood the fact of being elected to be paid to specifically not do the job while complaining that too much money is being spent on people not doing the job they should be doing.

Exactly!!

That's why I'm a brexit

Ukip prove that you can get money for doing absolutely nothing

Where else in the free market would you have a corporation that hasn't balanced there books for the last 21 years and no legal prosecution.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Oh lawd we are doomed

Lol, the thing is now many of the traditional working class see Labour as the extreme party (extreme left) with Corbyn running things.

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By *r Man.Man
over a year ago

London

Its not ukips fault that they have git stronger.

Its the peoples fault for closing there eyes and ears to what's happening around them.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Oh lawd we are doomed

Lol, the thing is now many of the traditional working class see Labour as the extreme party (extreme left) with Corbyn running things. "

I don't think it was that at all. Despite all the scare stories about Labour under Corbyn they held up reasonably well. The line that they didn't make any gains is a silly one as no one really expected gains, they expected huge losses.

I think UKIP has a better machinery behind it now and my experience is that Ukippers postal vote too. One person I know describes how her vote count was looking good until they added the postal ballots to the pile.

Having assembly seats in Scotland, Wales and London means cash to the party.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Oh lawd we are doomed

I hope not.

I don't know the amount of racial rants I've had to hear over the past week has sent me over the edge

I'm going with "it's always darkest before the dawn". We have 47 days and 11 hours until the referendum but that wasn't the point of the post.

Centaur has been saying for years that UKIP will count and now they do and we dismissing them as loonies doesn't help when they hold elected seats.

I get where you are coming from but I still don't believe in their views

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Its not ukips fault that they have git stronger.

Its the peoples fault for closing there eyes and ears to what's happening around them."

I love you Mr Man, you know this to be true

but I can't agree with your Brexit views.

I do agree that people don't engage and so it is no surprise when those who are engaging start gaining power.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Oh lawd we are doomed

I hope not.

I don't know the amount of racial rants I've had to hear over the past week has sent me over the edge

I'm going with "it's always darkest before the dawn". We have 47 days and 11 hours until the referendum but that wasn't the point of the post.

Centaur has been saying for years that UKIP will count and now they do and we dismissing them as loonies doesn't help when they hold elected seats.

I get where you are coming from but I still don't believe in their views "

Neither do I and I can't see me ever sharing their views but I do defend the right for them to have their views and stand for election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will be pounding the streets and knocking the doors to Stay In Europe.

Just having the weekend off after nine months of Welsh Assembly Elections

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

To be even handed I detest Farage and Corbyn in equal measure

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Oh lawd we are doomed

Lol, the thing is now many of the traditional working class see Labour as the extreme party (extreme left) with Corbyn running things.

Having assembly seats in Scotland, Wales and London means cash to the party.

Labour did hold up well in the council elections, but beaten into 3rd place in Scotland by the tories is pretty dismal for Labour.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

something about a stopped clock being right twice a day.... and a blind squirrel finding a nut eventually.....

way wrong on the last election though..... i remember the words "double digit ukip mp's" mentioned on various occasions....

the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"something about a stopped clock being right twice a day.... and a blind squirrel finding a nut eventually.....

way wrong on the last election though..... i remember the words "double digit ukip mp's" mentioned on various occasions....

the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

Biggest breakthrough since winning the last European MEP elections.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What Ukip are indisputablely doing well is targeting certain areas - generally majority white lower working class wards, where people felt forgotten by New Labour, and are being hit hard by the Tories.

There's no denying the anti-immigrant feeling in these areas too.

Ukip took a ward from Labour near to me. The resources and foot soldiers they put into it were unprecedented. A friend of mine who lives there got 12 different pieces of Ukip literature (including a free supposedly independent newspaper) and had several canvassers. In the next door ward, (where Ukip trailed in 5th) we had no visits and one solitary pamphlet.

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By *r Man.Man
over a year ago

London

"Its not ukips fault that they have git stronger.

Its the peoples fault for closing there eyes and ears to what's happening around them.

I love you Mr Man, you know this to be true

but I can't agree with your Brexit views.

I do agree that people don't engage and so it is no surprise when those who are engaging start gaining power.

As I said, people have there eyes and ears closed,

I'm not a ukip supporter, far from it, but they have showen the weakness and the flaws of the EU.

If it wasn't for them the ruling party wanted have got scared and put there cushy jobs on the line.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Oh lawd we are doomed

Lol, the thing is now many of the traditional working class see Labour as the extreme party (extreme left) with Corbyn running things.

Having assembly seats in Scotland, Wales and London means cash to the party.

Labour did hold up well in the council elections, but beaten into 3rd place in Scotland by the tories is pretty dismal for Labour. "

The Tories in Scotland is a surprise to everyone. Labour won two by-election seats and didn't collapse in the council elections, which is what people thought would happen under Corbyn, the in-fighting and the anti-antisemitism row.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"What Ukip are indisputablely doing well is targeting certain areas - generally majority white lower working class wards, where people felt forgotten by New Labour, and are being hit hard by the Tories.

There's no denying the anti-immigrant feeling in these areas too.

That's what I mean by a better machine. They aren't doing a scattergun, we can get everyone approach any more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thankfully UKIP didn't manage to weasel their way into Scottish Parliament.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not a UK phenomenon...

Open your eyes, everywhere is full of resentment, America has trump and sanders, the UK ukip, Sweden, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Denmark... Even Germany, the once true Bastian of europhilla has the AFD getting 25% of the vote!.

The banking crises was the straw that broke the camel's back, then there was FIFA and athletics and cycling and Panama and every thing in between and now.... We don't trust anyone, we'll vote anybody that seems anti establishment because we're fucking feed up

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Thankfully UKIP didn't manage to weasel their way into Scottish Parliament."

You got unexpected Tories instead. Ruth Davidson played a very good game.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"It's not a UK phenomenon...

There is that too. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if it gets people engaging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah, think it was the glaring sheen from her ever so sickening fake smile that dazzled the voters in her constituency that caused voters to put their X in the wrong box

I used to vote conservative, until they proved they can't be trusted..... I've learned the error of my ways.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

Biggest breakthrough since winning the last European MEP elections. "

and that worked out well for the general election..... let me count the number of MP's again.....

1.....erm......1.....

hang on... let me try that again.....

1...........

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

"You've been saying for years that UKIP will be a contender. Now they have shown that they really are with enough seats across most countries in the UK.

I'm sad to say that I think this is an early indication of the direction of travel for the referendum.

You haven't got my vote, Centaur, but I'm acknowledging your faith in your party is beginning to show results where it counts.

Well on that basis I will say congratulations to you on Labour getting the London Mayor with Sadiq Khan.

I'm happy the Greens won a local seat

Sadly not mine but it's a start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Politics eh, shit is just crazy. Do we really think we'll feel the difference?

I'm asking, not asking it in a leading way. Centaur was right, is right, and I do enjoy the 'bigger' parties struggling whilst contradicting their own 'plans'

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

Biggest breakthrough since winning the last European MEP elections.

and that worked out well for the general election..... let me count the number of MP's again.....

1.....erm......1.....

hang on... let me try that again.....

1..........."
I'm confused. Are there anymore UCRAP mps today than there were yesterday ? ...i appreciate the UK voter will elect anybody with a pulse into local government but surly not the house of commons?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

Biggest breakthrough since winning the last European MEP elections.

and that worked out well for the general election..... let me count the number of MP's again.....

1.....erm......1.....

hang on... let me try that again.....

1........... I'm confused. Are there anymore UCRAP mps today than there were yesterday ? ...i appreciate the UK voter will elect anybody with a pulse into local government but surly not the house of commons? "

No there are no more UKIP MPs but they have 7 seats on the Welsh Assembly and it's looking like 2 on the London Assembly.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

Biggest breakthrough since winning the last European MEP elections.

and that worked out well for the general election..... let me count the number of MP's again.....

1.....erm......1.....

hang on... let me try that again.....

No there are no more UKIP MPs but they have 7 seats on the Welsh Assembly and it's looking like 2 on the London Assembly.

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thanks for that ..didn't. The liberals use to do well between general elections then bomb when the real elections came ?

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Time to scrap first past the post for Westminster ?

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By *rcher XMan
over a year ago

Ghost Town

"Time to scrap first past the post for Westminster ? "

Might want to rethink that If you are not a UKIP supporter.

If they had scrapped first past the post for the 2015 general election UKIP would of ended up getting 83 of the 650 seats in the house of commons instead of just the 1 they got.

Then again you can understand why UKIP supports were a bit miffed by the results as they did get 3,881,099 (12.6% )votes and only 1 seat, Whilst the SNP got 1,454,436 (4.7%)votes and 56 seats

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

Biggest breakthrough since winning the last European MEP elections.

and that worked out well for the general election..... let me count the number of MP's again.....

1.....erm......1.....

hang on... let me try that again.....

No there are no more UKIP MPs but they have 7 seats on the Welsh Assembly and it's looking like 2 on the London Assembly.

Yippee. Not.

I don't think UKIP have much popular support then. Thank goodness. Did you see the UKIP documentary a year or so ago? Sure, any organisation can be made to look crap but they did not even have to be made to look crap. They did it all by themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh lawd we are doomed

Lol, the thing is now many of the traditional working class see Labour as the extreme party (extreme left) with Corbyn running things.

Every opposition since 1985 has made gains so actually most people would have expected them!

The fact that labour expected the result does not stop it being a bad one. It's not like they are fighting an overwhelmingly popular incumbent government!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Time to scrap first past the post for Westminster ? "

Hell no. Too many crazies about for that.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Then again you can understand why UKIP supports were a bit miffed by the results as they did get 3,881,099 (12.6% )votes and only 1 seat, Whilst the SNP got 1,454,436 (4.7%)votes and 56 seats

the problem with that statistic is that it leaves out one key factor...

that the snp only contest seats in scotland....

so they got 1.45 million votes from a total scottish voting block of 2.9 million... so they got 50% of the total scottish vote...

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Oh lawd we are doomed

Lol, the thing is now many of the traditional working class see Labour as the extreme party (extreme left) with Corbyn running things.

Lickety,that has to be the most illogical statement,(even for these forums).I have ever read.

Are we now considering it some kind of victory,when our results are similar,to the last labour leadership.

Who incidentally lost the last election by a landslide.

By your logic,football teams will soon be celebrating only being beat 3-0,

Because that's the same result the were beaten by last week.

Are the labour party now the party that's happy to lose.

So long as it's not by any more,

than we lost by the last time.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

ive voted UKIP since i could vote, and i will continue to vote for them, only party that has common sense.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"ive voted UKIP since i could vote, and i will continue to vote for them, only party that has common sense. "
UKIP common sense ? Now that really shows you're lack of experience and understanding of British politics ...a party with only one policy and that's akin to the BNP ..still takes allsorts lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

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over a year ago

"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Currency union is a terrible idea it's hard to believe anyone other than Germany would have wanted it

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over a year ago

"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Currency union is a terrible idea it's hard to believe anyone other than Germany would have wanted it"
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It's the something for nothing mantra.

The weak got the something for nothing of German strength.

The Germans got the something for nothing of weak countries holding back their strong currency...

Oh but now we see it didn't come at no cost... It's actually that buy now pay later philosophy

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

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so are you saying Italy had no debts before it joined the euro ?.. And no problems before it joined the EU ..the nazi party only showed there true colors once they had gained power ..beware of the hidden agenda of these fringe parties ......

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over a year ago

"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Currency union is a terrible idea it's hard to believe anyone other than Germany would have wanted it.

It's the something for nothing mantra.

The weak got the something for nothing of German strength.

The Germans got the something for nothing of weak countries holding back their strong currency...

Oh but now we see it didn't come at no cost... It's actually that buy now pay later philosophy"

Goodness is that how they tried to sell it back in the day? How people manage to overcomplicated these things I'll never understand.

It's pretty simple, the currency will represent an average of its constituents. Which is brilliant if you would otherwise be above average and have something to export (Germany) and absolutely shit if you would otherwise be below average and have something you want to export.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

so are you saying Italy had no debts before it joined the euro ?.. And no problems before it joined the EU ..the nazi party only showed there true colors once they had gained power ..beware of the hidden agenda of these fringe parties ......"

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Hitler spelt out exactly what he believed in 1924. He got elected in the 30's and did exactly what he said he was going to do. There was no concealment of their true colours.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Hitler spelt out exactly what he believed in 1924. He got elected in the 30's and did exactly what he said he was going to do. There was no concealment of their true colours. "
you're having a laugh cant find any speech from adolf saying he was going exterminate the Jews ..so no he gained power based on hatred like UKIP five star and the rest ..with a hidden agenda

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Hitler spelt out exactly what he believed in 1924. He got elected in the 30's and did exactly what he said he was going to do. There was no concealment of their true colours. you're having a laugh cant find any speech from adolf saying he was going exterminate the Jews ..so no he gained power based on hatred like UKIP five star and the rest ..with a hidden agenda "

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Currency union is a terrible idea it's hard to believe anyone other than Germany would have wanted it"

Currency union,nor the European union,are the reason the Italians are in 2trn euros in dept.

a few years ago,we had a world wide recession,I'm surprised no one else noticed.

That's the reason countries all over the WORLD have massive debts.

It was a WORLD wide banking thingy.

I'm sure if you check,there will be something about it on the WORLD Wide web.

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over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. "
so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?"

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

Don't bother saying that it only became a dictatorship after an election. They burnt the Reichstag in 1933 to get more power... then blamed the Jews.

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over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

Don't bother saying that it only became a dictatorship after an election. They burnt the Reichstag in 1933 to get more power... then blamed the Jews. "
back to school for u my son hitler wrote mien kampf in 1923 whilst imprisoned for political crimes ..nowhere does it mention mass extermination of the Jews or waging world war so a hidden agenda yes ..

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

Don't bother saying that it only became a dictatorship after an election. They burnt the Reichstag in 1933 to get more power... then blamed the Jews. back to school for u my son hitler wrote mien kampf in 1923 whilst imprisoned for political crimes ..nowhere does it mention mass extermination of the Jews or waging world war so a hidden agenda yes .."

If you bother to read it then you'd know that it describes war as "inevitable".

I don't know if you are a Nazi apologist or just stupid but either way I can't be bothered to continue this conversation.

It's embarrassing to see an adult in a country with free education that thinks the Nazis came to power with smiles and hugs for the Jews.

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Actually, whilst Hitler never hid his hatred of the Jews and was quite explicit in blaming them for the crisis in Germany there was never any talk of extermination pre-war. Certainly there was discrimination on an ever-increasing level but the "Final Solution" was a wartime measure in response to the large number of jews living in captured areas of Eastern and Central Europe.

I can certainly see *some* parallels with the kind of Islamophobia, deliberate racial profiling and blame culture you see by many people these days and I believe that the latent racism that exists within nationalist parties and other similar movements is very concerning force. The psychology of demonising whole swathes of people based on their "otherness" is the lesson which should be learnt from the Nazis, in my opinion, Donald Trump's promise to forcefully repatriate 11million people will have some very familiar echoes should it ever come to pass.

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over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

If you bother to read it then you'd know that it describes war as "inevitable".

I don't know if you are a Nazi apologist or just stupid but either way I can't be bothered to continue this conversation.

It's embarrassing to see an adult in a country with free education that thinks the Nazis came to power with smiles and hugs for the Jews. "
wow you really dont read posts before commenting do you .I wrote hidden agendas so stop embarrassing your self and read posts fully and try to understand them before replying ...was it hidden he was going cause mass holocaust in order to remove the Jews from germany yes yes yes ..was it hidden his hatred for Jews no that's something you decided was there ..my original point was all political parties have hidden agendas to achieve there political ideologies...so any party like the BNP or UKIP I would be wary of .....

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over a year ago

I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Currency union is a terrible idea it's hard to believe anyone other than Germany would have wanted it.

It's the something for nothing mantra.

The weak got the something for nothing of German strength.

The Germans got the something for nothing of weak countries holding back their strong currency...

Oh but now we see it didn't come at no cost... It's actually that buy now pay later philosophy

Goodness is that how they tried to sell it back in the day? How people manage to overcomplicated these things I'll never understand.

Cheap exports now with no high currency ever..... Spend fortunes bailing out weaker countries which allowed you the weak cheap currency to export!!.

Like I've always said, one country one currency one monetary policy.. I'm all for, the mishmashing though don't make much sense

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Godwin's Law invoked already?

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over a year ago

"Godwin's Law invoked already?

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"Godwin's Law invoked already?

What do you think's the shorted Fab thread to get there?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

If you bother to read it then you'd know that it describes war as "inevitable".

I don't know if you are a Nazi apologist or just stupid but either way I can't be bothered to continue this conversation.

It's embarrassing to see an adult in a country with free education that thinks the Nazis came to power with smiles and hugs for the Jews. wow you really dont read posts before commenting do you .I wrote hidden agendas so stop embarrassing your self and read posts fully and try to understand them before replying ...was it hidden he was going cause mass holocaust in order to remove the Jews from germany yes yes yes ..was it hidden his hatred for Jews no that's something you decided was there ..my original point was all political parties have hidden agendas to achieve there political ideologies...so any party like the BNP or UKIP I would be wary of ....."

...and the Labour party has an anti semitic agenda then going by your reasoning?

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did."

With the benefit of hindsight we look back into that part of history and see that the Nazi solution to whom they regarded as undesirable was to kill them. However, it was not like that from the beginning when Hitler would simply have preferred resettlement of his problem people elsewhere. The journey from diplomatic dialogue with other Nations to the Nazi final solution was in incremental steps of increasing extremism and not a sudden escalation.

The problem was that the people took power had extremist views and because they were unchecked the views became an actionable reality.

There are still people in this and every society who hold extreme views but keep those views secret whilst fronting a mask of respectability. I would say that Donald Trump and his supporters would be modern day examples of extremist views that would escalate in to increasingly extreme actions given the opportunity. At the moment the view is simply to label Muslims and to build a wall to keep Mexicans out. When that doesn't have the perceived result, there will be a further incremental step......

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

If you bother to read it then you'd know that it describes war as "inevitable".

I don't know if you are a Nazi apologist or just stupid but either way I can't be bothered to continue this conversation.

...and the Labour party has an anti semitic agenda then going by your reasoning? "
searched the post cant find a mention of labour by myself..so it must be you think labour have anti Semitic agenda ..so read the posts understand them and be honest if you wish to add a point of view make it clear the point is yours and not one you've assumed is someone else's

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

If you bother to read it then you'd know that it describes war as "inevitable".

I don't know if you are a Nazi apologist or just stupid but either way I can't be bothered to continue this conversation.

...and the Labour party has an anti semitic agenda then going by your reasoning? searched the post cant find a mention of labour by myself..so it must be you think labour have anti Semitic agenda ..so read the posts understand them and be honest if you wish to add a point of view make it clear the point is yours and not one you've assumed is someone else's "

Lol, it was a question. Read the post and understand it when someone puts a question mark on the end.

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over a year ago

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"The five star party in Italy run by beppe grillo is now the second largest party in Italy, last time I looked they were about 7 points behind the incumbent government!!.

One of their ambitions is to leave the euro, if Italy leave the euro, the euro is practically over, but then again with 2trn euros of debt if they go tits the euros over.

Mmmm tricky

Lol, think you've been hanging around with Ken Livingstone!

Read Mein Kampf before you embarrass yourself again. so Mein kampf was the nazi party manifesto from which they got elected was it or are we rewriteing history ?

Yes you are rewriting history if you think Hitler had no intentions towards the Jews before he was elected.

Maybe you didn't do so well on GCSE history but Nazi Germany was a dictatorship and Hitler was the dictator. So yeah in those circumstances a book like Mein Kampf is a pretty good clue.

If you bother to read it then you'd know that it describes war as "inevitable".

I don't know if you are a Nazi apologist or just stupid but either way I can't be bothered to continue this conversation.

Lol, it was a question. Read the post and understand it when someone puts a question mark on the end. "
bollocks missed the question mark ..lol

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over a year ago

"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

The problem was that the people took power had extremist views and because they were unchecked the views became an actionable reality.

That's Absolutely implausible. The American political system is completely different to Nazi Germany, it's fully designed with checks and balances to stop that happening.

The only way it could happen is if Donald trump took military dictatorship over the USA, which is quite frankly never going to happen.

You only have to look at the homeland security act that bush pushed through after 911, that in itself was extremely hard because of the infringement on constitutional rights or even Guantanamo that absolutely could never be carried out on US soil.

No country has power, the power is in the hands of the people and is temporally handed over to politicans, at any time that power can be removed by the people, which is why most sensible countries allow military leaders to be free from political restraints, as military dictatorship is the final solution

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You need to have a very large grasp of history to understand the WWs.

Start with the Napoleonic wars and work your way up as in reality that point of military, political and capitalism was the dividing ground.

Germany was always more interested in fighting the Bolsheviks and the Nazi party had their own agenda that feed from it.... You have to go back to the first world war for the German/Jewish Nazi obsession

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

The problem was that the people took power had extremist views and because they were unchecked the views became an actionable reality.

That's Absolutely implausible. The American political system is completely different to Nazi Germany, it's fully designed with checks and balances to stop that happening.

The only way it could happen is if Donald trump took military dictatorship over the USA, which is quite frankly never going to happen.

Viva la Raza

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

The problem was that the people took power had extremist views and because they were unchecked the views became an actionable reality.

That's Absolutely implausible. The American political system is completely different to Nazi Germany, it's fully designed with checks and balances to stop that happening.

The only way it could happen is if Donald trump took military dictatorship over the USA, which is quite frankly never going to happen.

The Weimar Republic was purpose built with exactly the kinds of checks and balances you describe. Even in the last stages of the second world war, the Wehrmacht was still independent of the Nazi state. Neither the Nazis, the facscists in Italy nor even Franco's Spain were military dictatorships. Granted these were nascent democracies, but my point is that if you can take your people on a psychologically journey weaved around pre-conceived and carefully garnished prejudice (German hatred of the Jews goes back waaaay before the First World War) then you are part way there.

My no means do I think it likely - but the growth in right wing parties isn't safe to play with just because it destabilises the establishment. I don't fear men loke Trump or Farage because they are plainly unworthy, but the right man or woman comes along and can carry this anger - and we could be in a whole world of shit.

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over a year ago

"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

The problem was that the people took power had extremist views and because they were unchecked the views became an actionable reality.

That's Absolutely implausible. The American political system is completely different to Nazi Germany, it's fully designed with checks and balances to stop that happening.

The only way it could happen is if Donald trump took military dictatorship over the USA, which is quite frankly never going to happen.

Oh I absolutely agree, my whole point was that Germany the people consented to the Nazi state although with cohesion, I mean they weren't a dictartorship like north Korea but they were akin to Syria today, or even turkey... I mean your free to disagree but the state will shut you down if you disagree.

First amendment to the constitution of the USA... I mean these things weren't chance, they came about through evolutionary means

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By *ingdong11Man
over a year ago

Eastleigh

"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did."

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though ."

Indeed the main purpose of Ukip is to make the UK a free, Democratic, independent and sovereign country again outside of the European Union. There is nothing racist at all about that. There has been a huge amount of mud slinging done by opposition parties at Ukip because they have been running scared of Ukip stealing their votes. First it was the tories and now Labour as many of the traditional working class Labour vote is switching to Ukip. The racist accusations come from Ukip policy to cut immigration. The actual Ukip policy on immigration is that the UK should leave the EU and opt out of the EU free movement of people principle which is driving up immigration year after year here in Britain. Then we can have an Australian style points based immigration system so we can control the numbers of people coming here to a sensible level so we can effectively plan for future infrastructure spending. This way we can treat all immigrants equally as opposed to the current system which gives unfair advantage and favour to people with an EU passport. Even the Conservative party manifesto clearly said they wanted to cut immigration to below 100,000 people coming here each year, and they won the general election with a majority government. On the BNP point someone made earlier in the thread, Ukip bans anyone with any links to the BNP from joining Ukip. Lastly when Ukip candidates have stepped out of line in the past and made inappropriate comments they have been thrown out of the party. As we have just seen with Naz Shah and Ken Livingston and others in Labour they have only been suspended for making anti semitic comments, it remains to be seen if they get thrown out of the party. Will they just be given a slap on the wrist and told to carry on?

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over a year ago

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

There will be some conditions on movement both ways for sure, which is a good thing. But I have friends who have lived in Spain since the 60's and early 70's. My sister's husband's family came to England in the 60's from Sicily. Watched the Durrells earlier too

. So could you please explain this lack of freedom that you are so worried about?

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over a year ago

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

. So could you please explain this lack of freedom that you are so worried about?"
the lack of freedom just to move to and find work in any other European country with out the need for either a visa or work permit...or are you assuming there will still be freedom of movement after brexit in which case how will brexit stop immigration migration ..

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

so ukip policy will probably cut down the number of UK citizens leaving the UK for European shores sounds like less freedom to me .. Well I like the right of free movement so sorry you can keep your racist party ...it shouldn't take the British people long to realise just like the liberals there just a party of dreamers ...

. So could you please explain this lack of freedom that you are so worried about?the lack of freedom just to move to and find work in any other European country with out the need for either a visa or work permit...or are you assuming there will still be freedom of movement after brexit in which case how will brexit stop immigration migration .. "

Brits expect to be able to go everywhere and have an open door. Largely, that has been the case. Brits just don't want others to have the same freedoms.

Accidents of birth convey entitled attitudes.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

The liberals a party of dreamers? The Lib dems just had 5 years of power sharing government in a coalition during the last parliament.

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over a year ago

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

The liberals a party of dreamers? The Lib dems just had 5 years of power sharing government in a coalition during the last parliament. "
yep could deliver on the promises they had made over the last 80 years or so since they last held power ..and WHY because all fringe parties have dreams without a clue how to achieve them in the real world ..just look at the state of the lib Dems now ..you cant be telling me seriously you take Nigel farage serious he just comes over as a buffoon and an embarrassment to the British people ...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

The liberals a party of dreamers? The Lib dems just had 5 years of power sharing government in a coalition during the last parliament. yep could deliver on the promises they had made over the last 80 years or so since they last held power ..and WHY because all fringe parties have dreams without a clue how to achieve them in the real world ..just look at the state of the lib Dems now ..you cant be telling me seriously you take Nigel farage serious he just comes over as a buffoon and an embarrassment to the British people ..."

I guess we'll see won't we, if he is on the winning side of this EU referendum then a huge amount of credit will be given to him from the leave side for working towards this for the last 15 years.

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over a year ago

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"I am not quite sure how a UKIP election post became a Mein Kampf post but, hey, that is the nature of a post.

Yes, UKIP are racist but not advocating mass slaughter.

I have read a translation of Mein Kamp. Well, as much as I could manage. Bloody awful turgid rubbish. And it really doesn't matter when he wrote it. What matters is what he did.

Im not a ukip voter , i generally vote labour but i fail to see how ukip are racist ?

I have never heard them say anything about a particular race being inferior in any way ?

Happy to be proved wrong though .

I guess we'll see won't we, if he is on the winning side of this EU referendum then a huge amount of credit will be given to him from the leave side for working towards this for the last 15 years. "
we will ..wont we ...i wouldn't feel so bad about the referendum if the in side were going to lead us in afterwards or the out side were going to lead us out afterwards ...but hey ho soon be over ...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Chumbawamba - Tubthumping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTjC6rxHz8g

Compliment. Sort of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brits expect to be able to go everywhere and have an open door. Largely, that has been the case. Brits just don't want others to have the same freedoms.

Accidents of birth convey entitled attitudes."
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I'm not entirely sure that's true, I know several people that have been turned down for Australia and they didn't complain about it, they just got a two year visa to new Zealand instead

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Its not ukips fault that they have git stronger.

Its the peoples fault for closing there eyes and ears to what's happening around them."

And also, I might hasten to add, all the political parties' fault for their spectacular ineptitude over decades, taking people for fools, and only being in it for themselves. It looks like they may truly be reaping what they have sowed.

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over a year ago

Brits expect to be able to go everywhere and have an open door. Largely, that has been the case. Brits just don't want others to have the same freedoms.

Accidents of birth convey entitled attitudes..

I'm not entirely sure that's true, I know several people that have been turned down for Australia and they didn't complain about it, they just got a two year visa to new Zealand instead"

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

the biggest breakthrough since the last one.....

Biggest breakthrough since winning the last European MEP elections.

and that worked out well for the general election..... let me count the number of MP's again.....

1.....erm......1.....

hang on... let me try that again.....

No there are no more UKIP MPs but they have 7 seats on the Welsh Assembly and it's looking like 2 on the London Assembly.

thanks for that ..didn't. The liberals use to do well between general elections then bomb when the real elections came ?"

I'm completely in the same camp as you in Europe, but think it's a bit risky to say these aren't "real" elections when Welsh Assembly elections and Scottish Parliament ones took place.

People can sit and argue all day about the importance and effectiveness of the Welsh Government and I'm sure that those who voted UKIP in Wales see those elections as less serious.

I'd argue it's a protest vote, but the fact many of those voters jumped from Labour is serious. To me, it shows a complete lack of understanding, but that's me!

It's worrying though, because, whether the voter realised it or not, they were voted in to serve in a body that (like it or not) has a massive influence on the lives of people.

Back to the original point - I wouldn't agree with Centaur on politics at all, but he is clearly really into it and Aggies his case well.

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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Brits expect to be able to go everywhere and have an open door. Largely, that has been the case. Brits just don't want others to have the same freedoms.

Accidents of birth convey entitled attitudes..

I'm not entirely sure that's true, I know several people that have been turned down for Australia and they didn't complain about it, they just got a two year visa to new Zealand instead

thank you, it's nothing to do with entitled attitudes. And the last time I worked/lived in Spain at the end of the 90's I had to go to the police station to be photographed and fingerprinted before I could get a Residencia/NIE number to be able to live and work there and pay for the privilige, so not exactly as 'free' and easy as you might think. Can anybody explain why some kind of work permit both ways would be a bad thing? "
no photograph or fingerprint for NIE ir residencis here in Spain ..cost of both less than 10 euros ..and no don't agree with having to have those either and many non Spanish residents dont have them ... ..the introduction of a work permit would be to limit the freedom of movement of people well that for me would be a bad thing ..just look around at countries like America Canada Australia Dominican republic brazil ..all countries who control there borders all with what they perceive to be an immigration problem ...pieces of paper just make it harder to move around they don't stop it..this dislike of immigrants is a media/ political issue to further the careers of otherwise useless politicians..

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over a year ago

"the introduction of a work permit would be to limit the freedom of movement of people well that for me would be a bad thing ..just look around at countries like America Canada Australia Dominican republic brazil ..all countries who control there borders all with what they perceive to be an immigration problem ...pieces of paper just make it harder to move around they don't stop it..this dislike of immigrants is a media/ political issue to further the careers of otherwise useless politicians.."
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Australia used to have an illegal immigration problem, they don't really have that problem anymore.

Australia do WANT IMMIGRATION, they have/had a need for immigration due to expansion, they choose who they want to let in, those with money, skills, experience, family get preference, you have to pass a medical test, you need private health insurance, you need a job lined up, money to come in and start off with.

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over a year ago

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Australia used to have an illegal immigration problem, they don't really have that problem anymore.

Canada was/is pretty much the same, harder to stop illegal immigration though as they have a giant land border (no walls there), however the UK has what Australia has, a natural water barrier or a moat, like they built round castles, it's not infallible but it makes it harder"
clearly unlike us you do not have family living in Australia .they do have a massive problem with both legal and illegal immigrants ..and sea borders dont stop immigration they are just more costly to patrol ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ukip are far the best choice for the uk. Always get my vote. The only party that makes any sense. Look what the tories, labour etc have done to this country ukip deserve the chance to be in goverment. VOTE OUT

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over a year ago

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"Ukip are far the best choice for the uk. Always get my vote. The only party that makes any sense. Look what the tories, labour etc have done to this country ukip deserve the chance to be in goverment. VOTE OUT"
all political parties are out for themselves their own ends and to line their own pockets and if you really believe the likes of ukip snp the green party lib Dems bnp ect are any different to the main parties ..i believe you will be sorely disappointed should they ever gain power as I was the last time labour were elected ..

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over a year ago

Mr. Whorehouse, could you please post here the Spanish residency regulations that were introduced on the 10th of July 2012. If you are unsure, you will find details on the UK governments website. Methinks you might have to eat your own words

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over a year ago

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"Mr. Whorehouse, could you please post here the Spanish residency regulations that were introduced on the 10th of July 2012. If you are unsure, you will find details on the UK governments website. Methinks you might have to eat your own words

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY ..

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

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By *horehouseCouple
over a year ago

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nope just don't see it ..lets take a look back in history when great Briton was seen as great nation its citizens were as poor as church mice ..would have to be deluded if you believe any government is really there to improve the lives of its citizens all that change does is change the perceived problems a nation has for a different set if problems ..

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over a year ago

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. "
now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??"

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over a year ago

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??

I have experienced it I used to live there and have known people removed. So by your own admition then you are breaking Spanish law. And could you tell me what you are entitled to in Spain without a Residencia?"
under law exactly the same with or without ..nothing wether we've got residencia or not ..no free health no state benefits ..get legal work and pay in you will get some benefits ..why should I get anything out when we don't pay in .. UK should adopt same rules as Spain? No pay in no get out ..

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??

I have experienced it I used to live there and have known people removed. So by your own admition then you are breaking Spanish law. And could you tell me what you are entitled to in Spain without a Residencia?under law exactly the same with or without ..nothing wether we've got residencia or not ..no free health no state benefits ..get legal work and pay in you will get some benefits ..why should I get anything out when we don't pay in .. UK should adopt same rules as Spain? No pay in no get out .. "

pmsl. Just made a case for the UK to leave the EU haven't you? What kind of freedom of movement do you call yours?

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over a year ago

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??

I have experienced it I used to live there and have known people removed. So by your own admition then you are breaking Spanish law. And could you tell me what you are entitled to in Spain without a Residencia?under law exactly the same with or without ..nothing wether we've got residencia or not ..no free health no state benefits ..get legal work and pay in you will get some benefits ..why should I get anything out when we don't pay in .. UK should adopt same rules as Spain? No pay in no get out ..

pmsl. Just made a case for the UK to leave the EU haven't you? What kind of freedom of movement do you call yours?

And it really does surprise me that you and your mates do not have a Residencia because a new law came in last year taxing non residents more on the property they own. Of course you'd know that wouldn't you?"
not a case to leave but to adopt the same rules within the eu .and yes I know about property tax .cheaper banking and travel costs with residencia..

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??

I have experienced it I used to live there and have known people removed. So by your own admition then you are breaking Spanish law. And could you tell me what you are entitled to in Spain without a Residencia?under law exactly the same with or without ..nothing wether we've got residencia or not ..no free health no state benefits ..get legal work and pay in you will get some benefits ..why should I get anything out when we don't pay in .. UK should adopt same rules as Spain? No pay in no get out ..

pmsl. Just made a case for the UK to leave the EU haven't you? What kind of freedom of movement do you call yours?

And it really does surprise me that you and your mates do not have a Residencia because a new law came in last year taxing non residents more on the property they own. Of course you'd know that wouldn't you?not a case to leave but to adopt the same rules within the eu .and yes I know about property tax .cheaper banking and travel costs with residencia.. "
in fact the more I look at it everything UKIP were after can be achieved under current EU legislation ..

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??

I have experienced it I used to live there and have known people removed. So by your own admition then you are breaking Spanish law. And could you tell me what you are entitled to in Spain without a Residencia?under law exactly the same with or without ..nothing wether we've got residencia or not ..no free health no state benefits ..get legal work and pay in you will get some benefits ..why should I get anything out when we don't pay in .. UK should adopt same rules as Spain? No pay in no get out ..

pmsl. Just made a case for the UK to leave the EU haven't you? What kind of freedom of movement do you call yours?

And it really does surprise me that you and your mates do not have a Residencia because a new law came in last year taxing non residents more on the property they own. Of course you'd know that wouldn't you?not a case to leave but to adopt the same rules within the eu .and yes I know about property tax .cheaper banking and travel costs with residencia.. in fact the more I look at it everything UKIP were after can be achieved under current EU legislation .."

Best let Centaur know he has a convert

But seriously, the point I was trying to make is that even though we are in the EU now, the freedom to live and work in other EU countries legally is not as easy and straight forward as some people like to think. When we leave the EU I really don't think things will change much, if at all

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over a year ago

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we live here as many other British residents do with out residencia they cannot remove residents without it ..i know because I'm living here without it ..so are friends who have lived here a lot longer than I have ..yes I have been stopped by the police ohh and still not kicked out wow how is this ..go and experience it before you comment ..YOU WILL NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY .. now eat your own words ..EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??

I have experienced it I used to live there and have known people removed. So by your own admition then you are breaking Spanish law. And could you tell me what you are entitled to in Spain without a Residencia?under law exactly the same with or without ..nothing wether we've got residencia or not ..no free health no state benefits ..get legal work and pay in you will get some benefits ..why should I get anything out when we don't pay in .. UK should adopt same rules as Spain? No pay in no get out ..

pmsl. Just made a case for the UK to leave the EU haven't you? What kind of freedom of movement do you call yours?

And it really does surprise me that you and your mates do not have a Residencia because a new law came in last year taxing non residents more on the property they own. Of course you'd know that wouldn't you?not a case to leave but to adopt the same rules within the eu .and yes I know about property tax .cheaper banking and travel costs with residencia.. in fact the more I look at it everything UKIP were after can be achieved under current EU legislation ..

Best let Centaur know he has a convert

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You say WHEN we leave the EU like you think it could happen, Bozo is campaigning to leave so he can use it as a bargaining chip to stay... he has actually said that out loud, I bet the no matter what happens in the referendum we are still in the EU in 2018.

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over a year ago

Bozo = BoJo but perhaps my autocarrot was right this time!

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over a year ago

"You say WHEN we leave the EU like you think it could happen, Bozo is campaigning to leave so he can use it as a bargaining chip to stay... he has actually said that out loud, I bet the no matter what happens in the referendum we are still in the EU in 2018. "

Of course we will be its a minimum of 2 years notice that has to be given.

And i doubt we'll be giving it straight away

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over a year ago

Of course we will be its a minimum of 2 years notice that has to be given.

And i doubt we'll be giving it straight away"

Ok I will extend to 2020 then, I don't believe any of our MP's will actually leave. it's the perfect scapegoat to cover their inefficiencies

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Of course we will be its a minimum of 2 years notice that has to be given.

And i doubt we'll be giving it straight away

Ok I will extend to 2020 then, I don't believe any of our MP's will actually leave. it's the perfect scapegoat to cover their inefficiencies "

The estimates vary from 6 to 10 years. It's one of the reasons Gove is pressing for legal changes here immediately after the result of the referendum.

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By *FSEstainingCouple
over a year ago

Dartford

UKIP represent the views of many who were and are still not represented by the big 2. It's a libertarian party who have been screwed over by the media. I support UKIP and suggest people research it before believing to what the msm feed them.

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By *FSEstainingCouple
over a year ago

Dartford

There is no net gain from the EU.

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By *un4allxMan
over a year ago

Arkley

Well said.

Proportional representation over first past the post. Needs to be implemented.

I am voting out in the EU Referendum.

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over a year ago

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"UKIP represent the views of many who were and are still not represented by the big 2. It's a libertarian party who have been screwed over by the media. I support UKIP and suggest people research it before believing to what the msm feed them."
its a racist party through and through

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over a year ago

Hmmm. I wouldn't describe UKIP as libertarian.

I would agree that the media has screwed them over. The problem in your stance there is that it was very easy for the media to screw them over by revealing their members' attitudes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wanting your country back is NOT racist

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"EU law says we cannot be removed whilst the UK is part of the EU ..what would you like to go with your words when you eat them ??"

that part is true.... and it may turn into an interesting discussion... as actually cameron brought up the issue yesterday...

the vote leave side say they are covered under the vienna convention... but lawyers and scholars have said this may not be correct...

but if the UK start kicking out/stopping people coming, why would other countries not retaliate in the same fashion....

the other interesing side of it is people are going to start "being removed"... what you are doing is basically replacing younger working aged people who are for the most part paying taxes and contibuting.... for older non working aged brits...

(remember people aren't coming to the uk to retire)

conmbined with the loss of 10-15 % of your nhs staff.... (and you can't say have enough uk staff to replace them... uk staff aren't being poached by other eu countries... they are being poached by the likes of US,Canada,Australia and New Zealand)

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

so other than immigration can you please list all the other UKIP policies.... erm... education? ecomonic? ooooh.... the health service?

for example... you don't know UKIP are offically against same sex marriage don't you?

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