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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

About to start on Ch4 +1.

Grayson Perry is looking at modern man, masculinity and macho-man.

I enjoyed his Reith Lectures so I'm looking forward to this.

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over a year ago

"About to start on Ch4 +1.

Grayson Perry is looking at modern man, masculinity and macho-man.

I enjoyed his Reith Lectures so I'm looking forward to this.

I just watched it...

I really admire Greyson Perry both as a man and an artist...

and this is a very interesting subject, I really enjoyed it

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"About to start on Ch4 +1.

Grayson Perry is looking at modern man, masculinity and macho-man.

I enjoyed his Reith Lectures so I'm looking forward to this.

I just watched it...

I really admire Greyson Perry both as a man and an artist...

and this is a very interesting subject, I really enjoyed it"

Just at the first break and it's already interesting. I've never really thought about cage fighters before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watched it as well. Very powerful program the suicide rates of men is frightening. It's at least the same level here in Ireland. Perry creates amazing art that is thought provoking but accessible.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Just watched it as well. Very powerful program the suicide rates of men is frightening. It's at least the same level here in Ireland. Perry creates amazing art that is thought provoking but accessible."

The suicide rate in men is something that needs to be talked about more. NE England having such high rates is shocking.

There was a piece on Woman's Hour yesterdat about modern masculinity - Man Up: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b078w8rk

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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago

Stockport

remarkable program featuring very human men who were incredibly sensitive and emotionally articulate.tragic and compelling suicide story made me so sad for his beautiful and gentle mother.amazing television.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

perrys a cool dude,,love him,,fabulous person,,fantastic artist.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Men are not encouraged to notice how they are feeling... They have a kind of skin that they build up... their muscles, their tattoos, their bravado..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I absolutely love Grayson Perry, his art is amazing, his dress sense even more so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you get a chance have a read of his book "Playing to the Gallery", modern art explained by Grayson.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I absolutely love Grayson Perry, his art is amazing, his dress sense even more so.

ooooooh,,,id disagree,,FANTASTIC ARTIST,,no question,,one of thee greatest this country has produced,,but dress sense,,NO WAY ,,fun colourful but,,yuk,,,lol

oh and I,ll say it to his face

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I love that the banner has the boy at its centre. This should be required viewing. It's very moving and very relevant.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?"

The print? Yes, it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?"

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

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over a year ago

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

The print? Yes, it is.

only if you like it

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

The print? Yes, it is.

Smart arse

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely"

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I absolutely love Grayson Perry, his art is amazing, his dress sense even more so.

ooooooh,,,id disagree,,FANTASTIC ARTIST,,no question,,one of thee greatest this country has produced,,but dress sense,,NO WAY ,,fun colourful but,,yuk,,,lol

oh and I,ll say it to his face"

Noo I don't agree, come on who wouldn't want the cat print smock dress with the frilly bonnet.

In all seriousness I would definitely wear the dresses.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Shadow Boxing piece was stunning.

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over a year ago

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that"

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I absolutely love Grayson Perry, his art is amazing, his dress sense even more so.

ooooooh,,,id disagree,,FANTASTIC ARTIST,,no question,,one of thee greatest this country has produced,,but dress sense,,NO WAY ,,fun colourful but,,yuk,,,lol

oh and I,ll say it to his face

Noo I don't agree, come on who wouldn't want the cat print smock dress with the frilly bonnet.

In all seriousness I would definitely wear the dresses.

your insane

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society"

Even when the art is not monetised.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised."

Is Perry commercialised?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd been looking forward to this show since I read about it last week.

It's a really important subject that he's investigating, with some major aspects that affect the wellbeing of millions.

Male suicides have risen sharply in Europe, Australia, the USA, just to highlight a few countries. Denmark and Germany have stark contrasts to others. Our world has changed and men face many pressures.

The show didn't disappoint, I was very moved and shed a few tears. The guys were great subjects to feature. And the guy who had taken his life was an inexplicable event - what a tragedy for his mum and friends.

I'd expected to see Claire on it but understood that Grayson perhaps wanted to devote the focus to the subjects and not for it to be on him.

I do admire him and love his art.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised.

Is Perry commercialised?"

He has a profile so it's inevitable at some level.

I mean all art, not just those bits that sell for whatever fashionable reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised.

Is Perry commercialised?"

he makes money ,,just like a plumber,bus driver,doctor,,,bla bla bla

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I absolutely love Grayson Perry, his art is amazing, his dress sense even more so.

ooooooh,,,id disagree,,FANTASTIC ARTIST,,no question,,one of thee greatest this country has produced,,but dress sense,,NO WAY ,,fun colourful but,,yuk,,,lol

oh and I,ll say it to his face"

he looked quite tasteful when he collected his CBE

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised.

Is Perry commercialised?

He has a profile so it's inevitable at some level.

I mean all art, not just those bits that sell for whatever fashionable reason.

Well that's the trick you usually have to be dead before you can make money at art. All artists lose control of their work in the end.

If Perry can make money and do something else with it, then fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised.

Is Perry commercialised?

He has a profile so it's inevitable at some level.

I mean all art, not just those bits that sell for whatever fashionable reason.

Well that's the trick you usually have to be dead before you can make money at art. All artists lose control of their work in the end.

If Perry can make money and do something else with it, then fine. "

RUBBISH,,out of date silly idea of artists,,i make a very good living from art,,im not even a famous one and I still have both ears

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think the male suicide rates in the Republic and Northern Ireland have risen 50% over a 10 year period - it's alarmingly sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised.

Is Perry commercialised?

He has a profile so it's inevitable at some level.

I mean all art, not just those bits that sell for whatever fashionable reason.

Well that's the trick you usually have to be dead before you can make money at art. All artists lose control of their work in the end.

If Perry can make money and do something else with it, then fine.

RUBBISH,,out of date silly idea of artists,,i make a very good living from art,,im not even a famous one and I still have both ears"

oh n I know plenty artists that make a very good living from their work.

its funny though as I know artists way more talented in my humbler opinion that don't,,but its a myth artists don't make money

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised.

Is Perry commercialised?

He has a profile so it's inevitable at some level.

I mean all art, not just those bits that sell for whatever fashionable reason.

Well that's the trick you usually have to be dead before you can make money at art. All artists lose control of their work in the end.

If Perry can make money and do something else with it, then fine.

RUBBISH,,out of date silly idea of artists,,i make a very good living from art,,im not even a famous one and I still have both ears

oh n I know plenty artists that make a very good living from their work.

its funny though as I know artists way more talented in my humbler opinion that don't,,but its a myth artists don't make money"

I'm interested to know how

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Are you an active artist Joe? (we know you're active, of course

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

It's an obvious, if slightly uncomfortable, area of expertise

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Grayson's inspired me to do more ceramic art - I've been inactive for a long while, though am unsatisfied artistically. No major talent but I love expression.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"It's an obvious, if slightly uncomfortable, area of expertise"

Uncomfortable? I'm not being particularly eloquent tonight, as I'm struggling with fatigue.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The second in the series is just starting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The second in the series is just starting

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'll be there on +1.

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By *GHertsCouple
over a year ago

North Herts

Love love love Grayson Perry in all respects ... have spent hours mesmerised in front of his tapestries and maps having my mind blown. Such a warm, clever but down to earth man too ... he has wonderful empathy with the people he interviews and seems to have a knack of drawing them out of themselves whatever their background ... and then, to my mind, magically creates artwork which is both beautiful and utterly appropriate and representative of those he's spoken to. Investing in his art for my own satisfaction rather than to make money out of it (because it wouldn't leave me during my lifetime) is pretty near the top of my lottery dreamlist.

Ms G

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watching it now, grew up in Skelmersdale there's no place like home. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I'll be there on +1."

It's time Lickety on +1

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I'll be there on +1.

It's time Lickety on +1

Thank you. I've just switched over.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd like that tapestry. I'd love his artwork too, though assuming I'd not afford it.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"After talking to the mums... Jane said she got the Father's Day card from her child... drawn into the vortex of male dysfunction."

"A landscape of lost bewildered maleness in the raw."

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"I thought having a child would help change him." It sounded like she was saying she got pregnant to change him. It's a vicious cycle.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Proper thoughtful and thought-provoking art.

I'm looking forward to the conclusion next week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Didn't think much of his smashed pots or drag but his speech is always interesting and provocative, and I have one of his prints - Map of an Englishman in my house.

Any good?

lol,,not a fan of his drag as you put it,,but he's a fabulous human being and as a fellow artist I admire him hugely

I like the way he plays with ideas. he presents them in ways I would never even consider. I like that

yes,,that's why art and artists are important to society

Even when the art is not monetised.

Most artists lose money on their art. I have a house full and only sell a small number. Then again painting for money ruins creativity unless you are excellent and have a reputation. I'm Lucky to get some commissions on work i have alReady started Not paint what other people want.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I didn't cry this week but it was still a powerful show. The locals seemed to appreciate his work too, which was great.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watching it now - nice bit of prodigy in the soundtrack - nice to hear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So watched episode 2 and wow, he really got to the heart of the matter there and made some very insightful observations. That estate is just depressing though and those people are infuriating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"About to start on Ch4 +1.

Grayson Perry is looking at modern man, masculinity and macho-man.

I enjoyed his Reith Lectures so I'm looking forward to this.

I've got it series linked, going to watch them all at once if I can.

I like him. Very clever man.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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It's the last one in the series on Ch4 +1.

This week it is 'Rational Man'.

I hope there is a round up of all that he has gleaned from this research.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I have a feeling he is going to be hardest on this group of men: Bankers! He says he is putting his prejudices to the test.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Zen Antoine clicking a mouse made me laugh with Grayson's narration.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Lovely Grayson, where is he in line of succession to the throne incidentally?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Lovely Grayson, where is he in line of succession to the throne incidentally? "

Can we make him PM instead?

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Men dressing up/acting to keep the power while suggesting they are all embracing of equality. What a surprise.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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I like that this group of men, with all their sophistication, don't really like the art pieces. They really thought they would convince Perry that they are other than they are.

At least Antoine can see it's about the big ego.

Object in the Foreground (the giant penis) just made them squeamish, which is an interesting response in itself.

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By *haliamarimarCouple (MM)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Proper thoughtful and thought-provoking art.

I'm looking forward to the conclusion next week.

All art is thought provoking. If you embrace this doctrine, proper art proliferates exponentially.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watched the banker one. I think he went in with a prejudice and saw what he wanted to see.

I liked the picture but that's because I share some of his prejudice! As an artist he let himself down on objectivity.

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Just watched the banker one. I think he went in with a prejudice and saw what he wanted to see.

I liked the picture but that's because I share some of his prejudice! As an artist he let himself down on objectivity. "

Unusually, I agree with you... in part. I think they gave him a fair bit to reinforce the prejudice, but he did go with a pre-formed idea of what he would produce.

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over a year ago

"Just watched the banker one. I think he went in with a prejudice and saw what he wanted to see.

I liked the picture but that's because I share some of his prejudice! As an artist he let himself down on objectivity.

Unusually, I agree with you... in part. I think they gave him a fair bit to reinforce the prejudice, but he did go with a pre-formed idea of what he would produce."

I have my moments...

I would have been more interested in a piece about the alpha male being calm, unemotional and regimented (geek) as opposed to shouting and yelling in some pit (ape) that we saw at the start.

He kept saying how high rise buildings are cock shaped - how the fuck else are you supposed to build them? Dig a tunnel in the ground just so it looks like a pussy!?!

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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago

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"Just watched the banker one. I think he went in with a prejudice and saw what he wanted to see.

I liked the picture but that's because I share some of his prejudice! As an artist he let himself down on objectivity.

Unusually, I agree with you... in part. I think they gave him a fair bit to reinforce the prejudice, but he did go with a pre-formed idea of what he would produce.

I have my moments...

I would have been more interested in a piece about the alpha male being calm, unemotional and regimented (geek) as opposed to shouting and yelling in some pit (ape) that we saw at the start.

He kept saying how high rise buildings are cock shaped - how the fuck else are you supposed to build them? Dig a tunnel in the ground just so it looks like a pussy!?!"

I think it was the thrusting nature of lets build bigger/we need to be in the tallest building as much as the phallic nature of high rise buildings.

Cocks are everywhere.

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over a year ago

"Just watched the banker one. I think he went in with a prejudice and saw what he wanted to see.

I liked the picture but that's because I share some of his prejudice! As an artist he let himself down on objectivity.

Unusually, I agree with you... in part. I think they gave him a fair bit to reinforce the prejudice, but he did go with a pre-formed idea of what he would produce.

I have my moments...

I would have been more interested in a piece about the alpha male being calm, unemotional and regimented (geek) as opposed to shouting and yelling in some pit (ape) that we saw at the start.

He kept saying how high rise buildings are cock shaped - how the fuck else are you supposed to build them? Dig a tunnel in the ground just so it looks like a pussy!?!

I think it was the thrusting nature of lets build bigger/we need to be in the tallest building as much as the phallic nature of high rise buildings.

Cocks are everywhere.

Could be, I hadn't honestly thought of that angle. But I'd just see it as trying to cram as many offices onto as little land as possible, which makes sense for labour intensive work.

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