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"For every one that gets missed, thousands get saved. Government cuts and lack of resources are to blame. Social workers work their arses off under extreme pressure, unrealistic targets and overfilled case loads. Until things are made easier for people working in social care these children will continue to get missed. RIP little one" This one should never have got missed with the amount of injuries she had.. x | |||
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Yet social services will bleat about making changes then go hide in the corner doing jack shit to stop the next one  | |||
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"Yet another innocent baby has her life taken while under the care of social services... R.I.P little princess, fly high with all the angels... x" Presuming you are referring to Keegan Downer lease enlighten me on how this death was under the care of social devices and how it becomes their fault rather than the evil sadistic bitch that committed the crime?? | |||
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"For every one that gets missed, thousands get saved. Government cuts and lack of resources are to blame. Social workers work their arses off under extreme pressure, unrealistic targets and overfilled case loads. Until things are made easier for people working in social care these children will continue to get missed. RIP little one"  | |||
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"Yet another innocent baby has her life taken while under the care of social services... R.I.P little princess, fly high with all the angels... x Presuming you are referring to Keegan Downer lease enlighten me on how this death was under the care of social devices and how it becomes their fault rather than the evil sadistic bitch that committed the crime??" Was it or was it not social services placed the innocent little girl in the care of a evil bitch??? YES... social workers didn't visit her for 3 months before her death.. if it was a normal family with social services involved it would be a visit at least once a week.... If they had visited her they would have seen the injuries on her before it was to late... So yes it's their fault for putting her with a evil bitch and not keeping a close eye on her like they would anyone else... | |||
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"The real person to blame is the person who inflicted the injuries. " Yes I agree but if she had been monitored this would never have happened x | |||
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"Both of them are to blame. The person who did it and the people who gave her permission to do it by taking a child and placing it in her care." | |||
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"For every one that gets missed, thousands get saved. Government cuts and lack of resources are to blame. Social workers work their arses off under extreme pressure, unrealistic targets and overfilled case loads. Until things are made easier for people working in social care these children will continue to get missed. RIP little one" | |||
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"Yet another innocent baby has her life taken while under the care of social services... R.I.P little princess, fly high with all the angels... x Presuming you are referring to Keegan Downer lease enlighten me on how this death was under the care of social devices and how it becomes their fault rather than the evil sadistic bitch that committed the crime?? Was it or was it not social services placed the innocent little girl in the care of a evil bitch??? YES... social workers didn't visit her for 3 months before her death.. if it was a normal family with social services involved it would be a visit at least once a week.... If they had visited her they would have seen the injuries on her before it was to late... So yes it's their fault for putting her with a evil bitch and not keeping a close eye on her like they would anyone else... " Yes social services placed her under the direction of the Judge involved in the case but there will have been an extensive assessment carried out on the person she was placed with and as a family member social services are bound by a duty of the courts to keep a child within their family if at all possible. There was no evidence of her being a bad parent to her own 4 children. In January 2015 she became a legal guardian for Keegan and social services step down at that point therefore they would not be visiting. All children have a right to family life without external interference which is why legal guardians are appointed. So therefore social services should not have been visit to this girl at the time of her death or in the months previous to her death. It annoys me why social workers are vilified when unless they are told of concerns about a child they cannot know about them. It states neither the health visitor nor the nursery staff who saw Keegan reported any concerns!! Social services did not kill her but her legal guardian did - end of!!  | |||
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"Both of them are to blame. The person who did it and the people who gave her permission to do it by taking a child and placing it in her care." So social workers have crystal balls now to guess who will harm a child. There was no evidence that the guardian would do this!! Only the killer is to blame!! | |||
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"When a social worker has 47 families on their case load and works a 55 hour week instead of the 40 they get paid for, you really think they won't miss anything? No resources, lack of staff = problems " I know they're over worked (and not paid for it), and some are badly trained because they have no experience of anything they're dealing with, and some are just cunts who hate the people they're supposed to be helping. I'd like to see the people who work for SS make some effort to change the way things are run. I'd like to know why they're just putting up with shit instead of doing something about it? NHS are doing stuff to make their qorking conditions better because they're trying to be fucked over by the government. Seems strange SS are doing nothing. | |||
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"Yet another innocent baby has her life taken while under the care of social services... R.I.P little princess, fly high with all the angels... x Presuming you are referring to Keegan Downer lease enlighten me on how this death was under the care of social devices and how it becomes their fault rather than the evil sadistic bitch that committed the crime?? Was it or was it not social services placed the innocent little girl in the care of a evil bitch??? YES... social workers didn't visit her for 3 months before her death.. if it was a normal family with social services involved it would be a visit at least once a week.... If they had visited her they would have seen the injuries on her before it was to late... So yes it's their fault for putting her with a evil bitch and not keeping a close eye on her like they would anyone else... Yes social services placed her under the direction of the Judge involved in the case but there will have been an extensive assessment carried out on the person she was placed with and as a family member social services are bound by a duty of the courts to keep a child within their family if at all possible. There was no evidence of her being a bad parent to her own 4 children. In January 2015 she became a legal guardian for Keegan and social services step down at that point therefore they would not be visiting. All children have a right to family life without external interference which is why legal guardians are appointed. So therefore social services should not have been visit to this girl at the time of her death or in the months previous to her death. It annoys me why social workers are vilified when unless they are told of concerns about a child they cannot know about them. It states neither the health visitor nor the nursery staff who saw Keegan reported any concerns!! Social services did not kill her but her legal guardian did - end of!! "Neither does it state that she was at nursery nor been seen by any health professionals while she was in her care... she was there for 4 months. A family member of mine has children in foster care and they get visited once a week they have been in foster care for 8 months.. I also know a family who have adopted a young baby and they have regular visits from social worker and that has been for the past 18 months.... So a baby who has been in foster care for a few months should still have regular visits.. | |||
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"When a social worker has 47 families on their case load and works a 55 hour week instead of the 40 they get paid for, you really think they won't miss anything? No resources, lack of staff = problems I know they're over worked (and not paid for it), and some are badly trained because they have no experience of anything they're dealing with, and some are just cunts who hate the people they're supposed to be helping. I'd like to see the people who work for SS make some effort to change the way things are run. I'd like to know why they're just putting up with shit instead of doing something about it? NHS are doing stuff to make their qorking conditions better because they're trying to be fucked over by the government. Seems strange SS are doing nothing." Because we don't have time to do it - 55 hours that's a lucky social worker I clock 70 hours on average each week and am still only just keeping my head above water!! Plus most won't Rick the boat as Cameron will just privatise things and kids lives should never come down to profits!! | |||
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"That woman killed the child not social services. " They should have kept a eye on her not just left her x | |||
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"That woman killed the child not social services. They should have kept a eye on her not just left her x" Still her fault though in this case. | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health." Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... | |||
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"When a social worker has 47 families on their case load and works a 55 hour week instead of the 40 they get paid for, you really think they won't miss anything? No resources, lack of staff = problems I know they're over worked (and not paid for it), and some are badly trained because they have no experience of anything they're dealing with, and some are just cunts who hate the people they're supposed to be helping. I'd like to see the people who work for SS make some effort to change the way things are run. I'd like to know why they're just putting up with shit instead of doing something about it? NHS are doing stuff to make their qorking conditions better because they're trying to be fucked over by the government. Seems strange SS are doing nothing. Because we don't have time to do it - 55 hours that's a lucky social worker I clock 70 hours on average each week and am still only just keeping my head above water!! Plus most won't Rick the boat as Cameron will just privatise things and kids lives should never come down to profits!!" You* realistically need to do something though, collectively, and with the publics support. *Not you personally but SS in general. | |||
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"When a social worker has 47 families on their case load and works a 55 hour week instead of the 40 they get paid for, you really think they won't miss anything? No resources, lack of staff = problems " This is so true, stop pointing fingers at the people trying to do impossible jobs and working hours on top of the working week without pay ! It's time to shout at the government! STOP WITH THE CUTBACKS INVEST IN THE CARE INDUSTRY AND THE NHS ! SCREW THE MP PAY RISES AND THE FAT CAT BANKERS! It's always the few with everything and the majority suffering, RIP little one xx | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health. Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... " Because the child was not in foster care that's why!!!! The relative had applied for a legal order for the child and it was granted by a judge of the courts some 8 months before she died. Once a legal order is granted then social services have no right to continue involvement as they are no longer corporate parent. | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health. Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... Because the child was not in foster care that's why!!!! The relative had applied for a legal order for the child and it was granted by a judge of the courts some 8 months before she died. Once a legal order is granted then social services have no right to continue involvement as they are no longer corporate parent." | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health. Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... Because the child was not in foster care that's why!!!! The relative had applied for a legal order for the child and it was granted by a judge of the courts some 8 months before she died. Once a legal order is granted then social services have no right to continue involvement as they are no longer corporate parent." Yes the child was in foster care.... | |||
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"Walk a life in the shoes of a social worker... Then you will understand " And I thought social workers were not in it for the money..... Over worked under paid blah blah blah.... I would walk over hot coals to the end of the earth with no sleep and with out a penny in return to make sure was safe... | |||
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"Walk a life in the shoes of a social worker... Then you will understand And I thought social workers were not in it for the money..... Over worked under paid blah blah blah.... I would walk over hot coals to the end of the earth with no sleep and with out a penny in return to make sure was safe... " Become a social worker then and show them how to do it. We will watch for you off ill with stress due to work load! | |||
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"Walk a life in the shoes of a social worker... Then you will understand And I thought social workers were not in it for the money..... Over worked under paid blah blah blah.... I would walk over hot coals to the end of the earth with no sleep and with out a penny in return to make sure was safe... Become a social worker then and show them how to do it. We will watch for you off ill with stress due to work load!" If your not able to cope with being over loaded with work then you shouldn't be a social worker.... | |||
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"Not a social worker(thankfully) but this seems to be turning into more of a rant by OP about social workers in general rather than any concern for this individual case." The concern is how social services do not do their job and protect innocent people and this case could have been avoided if their job had been done correctly.... | |||
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"When a social worker has 47 families on their case load and works a 55 hour week instead of the 40 they get paid for, you really think they won't miss anything? No resources, lack of staff = problems This is so true, stop pointing fingers at the people trying to do impossible jobs and working hours on top of the working week without pay ! It's time to shout at the government! STOP WITH THE CUTBACKS INVEST IN THE CARE INDUSTRY AND THE NHS ! SCREW THE MP PAY RISES AND THE FAT CAT BANKERS! It's always the few with everything and the majority suffering, RIP little one xx " Okay. You've raised the elephant in the room. Thing is people want taxes reduced, not increased(some people have called it'wastage' on here, or words to that effect, for example). Personally, I don't mind being taxed more: it's all going to rack and ruin. | |||
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"For every one that gets missed, thousands get saved. Government cuts and lack of resources are to blame. Social workers work their arses off under extreme pressure, unrealistic targets and overfilled case loads. Until things are made easier for people working in social care these children will continue to get missed. RIP little one" | |||
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"Not a social worker(thankfully) but this seems to be turning into more of a rant by OP about social workers in general rather than any concern for this individual case." Very much so. | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health. Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... Because the child was not in foster care that's why!!!! The relative had applied for a legal order for the child and it was granted by a judge of the courts some 8 months before she died. Once a legal order is granted then social services have no right to continue involvement as they are no longer corporate parent. Yes the child was in foster care...." Omg no she wasn't!!!! Please go and read the article properly as you clearly have no idea of the circumstances of the case that you are making sweeping statements about. | |||
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"Not a social worker(thankfully) but this seems to be turning into more of a rant by OP about social workers in general rather than any concern for this individual case. The concern is how social services do not do their job and protect innocent people and this case could have been avoided if their job had been done correctly.... " Do you work in Child Protection OP? Or do you just get your issues with social workers from the media because I seriously believe you do not have a fucking clue how hard their jobs are!! Yes there are bad social workers but there are more good ones that fight tirelessly to protect children whilst those with a (usually personal) axe to grind attack them for doing the best they can with limited resources. If you feel so passionate lobby your MP about the cuts to children's services across the country or write to your local paper. Or just moan on a swingers site - cos that will change things  | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health. Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... Because the child was not in foster care that's why!!!! The relative had applied for a legal order for the child and it was granted by a judge of the courts some 8 months before she died. Once a legal order is granted then social services have no right to continue involvement as they are no longer corporate parent. Yes the child was in foster care.... Omg no she wasn't!!!! Please go and read the article properly as you clearly have no idea of the circumstances of the case that you are making sweeping statements about." "34-year-old foster mum, Kandyce Downer, of Beckbury Road, Weoley Castle in Birmingham, denied murder and causing or allowing the death of a child" copied and pasted direct from worldwide news channel x 'FOSTER MUM" | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health. Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... Because the child was not in foster care that's why!!!! The relative had applied for a legal order for the child and it was granted by a judge of the courts some 8 months before she died. Once a legal order is granted then social services have no right to continue involvement as they are no longer corporate parent. Yes the child was in foster care.... Omg no she wasn't!!!! Please go and read the article properly as you clearly have no idea of the circumstances of the case that you are making sweeping statements about. "34-year-old foster mum, Kandyce Downer, of Beckbury Road, Weoley Castle in Birmingham, denied murder and causing or allowing the death of a child" copied and pasted direct from worldwide news channel x 'FOSTER MUM" " She wasn't a foster mum. She cared for her under legal guardianship order. Big difference | |||
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"Looking at this case and the details I've seen across a few formats, I wouldn't suggest there was 0% blame with any professionals of universal services, or social services, but I wouldn't attribute the biggest contributing factor to anyone but the mother. Just look at the facts, it's almost classic devious behaviour and avoidance etc. Such a tragic end to a child's life, by a guardian who obviously had some very poor mental health. Mother was a drug addict who died.. My point is if authorities kept a eye on her this wouldn't have happened.. So they failed her... not once did I say they took her life... There is some damb good social workers out they and some commited foster carers. My aunt has been a foster carer for 30 years and has always had weekly visits when she has had children in her care.... So why should this case be any different... Because the child was not in foster care that's why!!!! The relative had applied for a legal order for the child and it was granted by a judge of the courts some 8 months before she died. Once a legal order is granted then social services have no right to continue involvement as they are no longer corporate parent. Yes the child was in foster care.... Omg no she wasn't!!!! Please go and read the article properly as you clearly have no idea of the circumstances of the case that you are making sweeping statements about. "34-year-old foster mum, Kandyce Downer, of Beckbury Road, Weoley Castle in Birmingham, denied murder and causing or allowing the death of a child" copied and pasted direct from worldwide news channel x 'FOSTER MUM" " Not everything g that is reported on every site is true and media are as fucking clueless as clearly others are about the legal status of a child. Try a more reliable source and go and check the real reports which all state she was placed under a special guardianship order which is not foster care. Clearly whatever I say is not going to change your skewed vision of social workers but hey that's your problem not mine as I've read the correct reports and have an in depth knowledge of the courts and children's orders!! | |||
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"It seems to me that there's a personal axe to grind here. " Me too. Be interesting to see how the OP responds to the fact that the child wasn't in foster care. And more importantly, how she is going to create change in the social work world  | |||
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"No knowledge at all of this case, but worked closely with children's services for years. What strikes me is the knee jerk reaction that if a child is harmed, it's social services' fault. Yeah right. Like when a pissed up motorist kills people in a pile up, it's the Police's fault. Ok, sometimes it is. As many have said, there are awful social workers out there. But the immediate response seems to be to blame the social worker, not the parent/guardian who inflicted the harm. Easy pickings for the media I suppose. The Hate Mail just loves a social worker...." The police didn't put the pissed up biker on the the bike.... But ss dud put a child with a vile excuse of a carer. ... before anyone says it was courts choice vile scum would have been given the all clear from ss | |||
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"The PARENTS failed. The PARENTS are to blame. " Her mother is dead | |||
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"Yet another innocent baby has her life taken while under the care of social services... R.I.P little princess, fly high with all the angels... x" yes and wat came first on itv news fucking Leicester City winning the premiership hardly news wen it happened yesterday | |||
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"I've not seen the article for this case yet, but can picture it especially from the sun or the Times. Those saying social services should do something like the nhs are, how would you react if a strike happened and then the media claimed a child died as a result of it? As that's what they've done over the junior doctor strike. I doubt the actual case and reports are up for public viewing as of yet, but it will be in time; just like the Daniel pelkin and baby P ones are. They give an interesting read, for those bothered to read them and find out just what social services do. The government now requires so much paperwork to be completed, for each child there is about 4 times the amount of paperwork. Many have spoken out about this, but I guess it's ignored by the media as its criticizing the government and no-one wants to see that! (remember a protest recently that had a similar coverage 0). Of course social workers do it to get paid, they need to live and provide for their families too. But many do it because they care and want to, not just the money! What about all other professionals, health visitors, doctors, playgroups etc. People tend to forget these are meant tobe rregularly seen. Whilst this case is unfortunate, it cannot and should not be pinned on social services, they don't have as much power as some think, it's a process that takes time. " A child has died anyway, and this is without doing anything to better the lot of social workers and the services they provide. These services have been failing for years, and probably decades judging from half the stories i've been told. I'm sick of fighting for a better system when the people who run it don't even give a shit to do anything. | |||
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"It seems to me that there's a personal axe to grind here. " Ahhh OP I've just realised who you are - you've changed your name. Did you sort out your issues over residency of your children? | |||
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"Iv just seen this on the news and I'm lost for words, even filled with tears, I have a daughter the same age and how anyone can beat them to death is beyond me, it's upsetting and she was failed by both her mother and social services, they put her in care of guardian who they deemed fit then the guardian went onto to kill her, rip little one "We've not heard the full story yet - the guardian may have been fit to care at the time the child was placed. It appears the breakdown of her relationship with her partner is when the abuse commenced. We don't know if she physically abused her own children. I'm not defending the guardian at all - she is clearly guilty. I used to work with child protection so have heard all sorts of horror stories & seen the photos too, but there's still so much that we don't yet know as often there are limits placed on what can be reported pending appeals etc... | |||
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"It seems to me that there's a personal axe to grind here. Ahhh OP I've just realised who you are - you've changed your name. Did you sort out your issues over residency of your children? " Yep all sorted thank you.... and may I add with no involvment with social services.... | |||
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"Iv just seen this on the news and I'm lost for words, even filled with tears, I have a daughter the same age and how anyone can beat them to death is beyond me, it's upsetting and she was failed by both her mother and social services, they put her in care of guardian who they deemed fit then the guardian went onto to kill her, rip little one "Hey we may have to try and work miracles everyday but social workers don't have crystal balls and can't predict that a seemingly good parent will go on to kill a child some 8 months later. Believe me guardians are put under scrutiny before placing a child but no one could have forseen this tragic event and the blame lies solely with the killer!!! | |||
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"Truley horrific that this should happen. Somebody must be held responsible for these failings... " She was... The killer was held responsible and convicted!! | |||
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"Truley horrific that this should happen. Somebody must be held responsible for these failings... She was... The killer was held responsible and convicted!!" The system also failed. Oh well never mind! | |||
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"Truley horrific that this should happen. Somebody must be held responsible for these failings... She was... The killer was held responsible and convicted!! The system also failed. Oh well never mind!" what you going to do about it tho mr ? sit back and do nothing ? | |||
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"Truley horrific that this should happen. Somebody must be held responsible for these failings... She was... The killer was held responsible and convicted!! The system also failed. Oh well never mind!what you going to do about it tho mr ? sit back and do nothing ? " Probably ... Everybody else seems to ! | |||
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"Truley horrific that this should happen. Somebody must be held responsible for these failings... She was... The killer was held responsible and convicted!! The system also failed. Oh well never mind!what you going to do about it tho mr ? sit back and do nothing ? Probably ... Everybody else seems to !" amen tho a shame for our vulnerable kids tho | |||
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This little girl is dead. Someone vile and disgusting took her life violently.
She had nobody to adore her, to love her, to protect and care for her.
This little girl was not able to defend herself and she had nobody to defend her.
May you find adoration, comfort and love RIP baby girl.
Knitter
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"My friend works in serious cases working with abused and neglected children and they are so under staffed it's heartbreaking (all because of budget) she has that many cases she has to prioritise them. How you can pick which child to help when so many need help is unimaginable. Shame it comes down to money x" If this is true why has not one social worker got together with a decent investigative journalist to expose it and publically show deaths are directly due to cuts. I dont even know what the legal standing would be after something like that. Would the government be guilty of criminal negligence | |||
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"My friend works in serious cases working with abused and neglected children and they are so under staffed it's heartbreaking (all because of budget) she has that many cases she has to prioritise them. How you can pick which child to help when so many need help is unimaginable. Shame it comes down to money x If this is true why has not one social worker got together with a decent investigative journalist to expose it and publically show deaths are directly due to cuts. I dont even know what the legal standing would be after something like that. Would the government be guilty of criminal negligence " It is true unfortunately x | |||
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"The PARENTS failed. The PARENTS are to blame. Her mother is dead " Parents/carers/guardians then. Same difference. Whoever was in the parental role. | |||
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"Walk a life in the shoes of a social worker... Then you will understand And I thought social workers were not in it for the money..... Over worked under paid blah blah blah.... I would walk over hot coals to the end of the earth with no sleep and with out a penny in return to make sure was safe... Become a social worker then and show them how to do it. We will watch for you off ill with stress due to work load! If your not able to cope with being over loaded with work then you shouldn't be a social worker...." really !!!  | |||
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"Sadly I sometimes think that some people (not just on this thread) are more in trestles in using tragedies like this as a way of justifying their own dislike and/or distrust of social services than actually mourning a child's death " *interested | |||
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"Sadly I sometimes think that some people (not just on this thread) are more in trestles in using tragedies like this as a way of justifying their own dislike and/or distrust of social services than actually mourning a child's death " I have to agree, similar to police discussions, often it's because there is a personal interest which prevents people from seeing objectively. | |||
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"It seems to me that there's a personal axe to grind here. Ahhh OP I've just realised who you are - you've changed your name. Did you sort out your issues over residency of your children? Yep all sorted thank you.... and may I add with no involvment with social services.... " I find it hard to believe that a child arrangement order would have been made without any involvement with children's services. No judge would make any legal order without being 100% of the child's welfare. Orders are not made for the parent or guardian they a solely made for the child's welfare. You may of had a simple case of divorce and wanted shared PR but the LA would have been involved at some point. If you needed a child arrangement order then something must of been wrong in the first place. What that was is your own business. Blaming children's services is not the best way to carry any grudge you may have. I'm sure the social workers in your area do their very best and I do congratulate you on securing your children's future. | |||
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"When a child or children become subject to a special guardianship order parental responsibility passes to the guardian. Children's services then have very little to do with the child. Some follow up visits may happen or a 6 to 12 month supervision order may made. All cases are different. The assessment to become a special guardian is extremely detailed and not all potential guardians pass it. Many fail. It is on par with a full fostering assessment. DBR enhanced checks and made. Dozens of home visits. References are made by friends and neighbours. Financial checks are made. The history of potential guardians are looked at. It goes on and on. If a guardian then passes the assessment then a judge may grant them an order for the child / children. Everything possible is done with the child in mind. It is not an easy option by children's services. The easy option is adoption. A child has a right to remain within his or her family. The only person responsible for the murder of this poor little child is the woman who did this. It is not the blame of children's services. They did there job in a professional manner. Unfortunately children are abused and beaten everyday. Many will carry both mental and physical scars with them throughout their lives. Children's services can only do their best. Its a tough job. " Thank you finally someone who understands the system instead of assuming social workers are child snatchers who just give children to whoever they wish!! I know first hand less than 10% of family members get through the assessment process as its so indepth and intrusive but then again I'm super picky who my kids go to!! | |||
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