FabSwingers.com forum: 4x4's

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a car.

They want to drive it.

It's not against the law.

They can spend their money how they seem fit.

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By *heBakeOLiteGirlWoman
over a year ago

62 West Wallaby Street (not real address)

I have one. Don't have kids so not used for doing the school run. I have a big dog so need a big car to take her out and about with me otherwise she would be stuck at home alot. Surely though people can drive what they like as long as it's insured, taxed and tested

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

They're probably safer in an accident and people like the elevated driving position

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"It's a car.

They want to drive it.

It's not against the law.

They can spend their money how they seem fit. "

In a nutshell!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Problem I find is a lot of car parks aren't designed for them these days hate having one next to me as it's difficult to see past them when reversing out !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know they don't go off roading when they aren't doing the school run?? Great for taking camping too. ....oh but mustn't use it for the school run in case Mr Judgey McJudgeson shakes his head at you!

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It's a car.

They want to drive it.

It's not against the law.

They can spend their money how they seem fit. "

Should there be a law restricting it ?

Is the law all humanity should adhere to with its moral position with regard to humanity ?

It's not against the law to throw plastic bags into landfill ? But I try not to buy them in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sometimes it's a status thing I have a neighbour that has one and it's only used on the school run 3 streets away

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Mine is a truck and therefore roughly the same width as a car and easy to park.

The new type discos and range Rovers are pretty wide though. Its fun watching people fail to park them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sometimes it's a status thing I have a neighbour that has one and it's only used on the school run 3 streets away "

Finally

Someone gets it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do they come with ladders yet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Vultures ready to swoop springs to mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes it's a status thing I have a neighbour that has one and it's only used on the school run 3 streets away

Finally

Someone gets it"

Oh...so this was a thread about his neighbour! Got ya

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes it's a status thing I have a neighbour that has one and it's only used on the school run 3 streets away "

To be fair it wouldn't matter if the school was 100 yards away.

It is their chosen mode of transport and this is how they wish to ferry their children.

If they feel it they need to elevate their status and by buying a large vehicle helps them to attain this then good luck to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep it in the room please op.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sometimes it's a status thing I have a neighbour that has one and it's only used on the school run 3 streets away

To be fair it wouldn't matter if the school was 100 yards away.

It is their chosen mode of transport and this is how they wish to ferry their children.

If they feel it they need to elevate their status and by buying a large vehicle helps them to attain this then good luck to them. "

Oh I do love a good debate

Clearly you are right

We are all wrong

Oh the joy of opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes it's a status thing I have a neighbour that has one and it's only used on the school run 3 streets away

To be fair it wouldn't matter if the school was 100 yards away.

It is their chosen mode of transport and this is how they wish to ferry their children.

If they feel it they need to elevate their status and by buying a large vehicle helps them to attain this then good luck to them.

Oh I do love a good debate

Clearly you are right

We are all wrong

Oh the joy of opinion "

Sorry , should I have agreed with you ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Keep it in the room please op. "

Your rude

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By *agan_PairCouple
over a year ago

portchester

I had an evoque for a bit as I thought they looked really nice on the outside and drove well. I have no kids and never took it off road. My commute is only a few miles. Bottom line I bought it because I like the look of it and enjoyed the drive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clearly an emotive subject

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Keep it in the room please op.

Your rude "

You're a sensitive flower aren't you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's so they can sit higher up and look down on the peasants as they drive by

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to curse them till I moved to the country and got when i realised it helped my wife's bad back as she didn't need to bend down to get in. Also went off roading in it, great fun. Much easier to drive than you think.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

But they aren't as big as things like a Nissan Micra which you often see taking up two spaces...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its quite funny when all of a sudden someone pops up & has a go at 4x4 drivers. I am one of those people who drive a range rover not for the school run though thats why theres trains & buses. I use mine for towing & yes i actually do go off roading in it.

Next thread will be "4x4 owners are out wrecking our woods driving around & polluting the air"

Sorry op we all have a choice on what car we own & drive. I didnt realise that the 4x4 police had to be informed.

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

"It's a car.

They want to drive it.

It's not against the law.

They can spend their money how they seem fit. "

Ticks all my boxes.

PLUS

It will do most everything I want of a car from going down the tip fully loaded (everything from rubble to a cut up hedge) to having a nice drive in the country. The only thing it won't do is 90mph so I guess a track day is out.

Oh as to the size it is 2" narrower than a mini clubman and about a foot shorter. Parking is easy as the wheels are damn near on the corners so little overhang.

P.S. We do go 'offroad'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps the op should advise what an acceptable car would be, so we can ensure we don't offend?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think its quite funny when all of a sudden someone pops up & has a go at 4x4 drivers. I am one of those people who drive a range rover not for the school run though thats why theres trains & buses. I use mine for towing & yes i actually do go off roading in it.

Next thread will be "4x4 owners are out wrecking our woods driving around & polluting the air"

Sorry op we all have a choice on what car we own & drive. I didnt realise that the 4x4 police had to be informed."

Trains and buses are there for the school run? Interesting view of public transport

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"They're probably safer in an accident and people like the elevated driving position"

The elevated driving position adds a bit to safety, because of vision,

But in crash tests, 4x4 are generally less safe for the occupants than ordinary saloons and estates, though they are improving.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run "

And your idea of "genuine" would be.........??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love to be able to own a car again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Next thread will be "4x4 owners are out wrecking our woods driving around & polluting the air"

Sorry op we all have a choice on what car we own & drive. I didnt realise that the 4x4 police had to be informed.

Trains and buses are there for the school run? Interesting view of public transport

Someone should tell Wiltshire council they forgot about the buses and trains in rural Wiltshire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive a very big 4x4, much taller and longer than most because........I love it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Next thread will be "4x4 owners are out wrecking our woods driving around & polluting the air"

Sorry op we all have a choice on what car we own & drive. I didnt realise that the 4x4 police had to be informed.

Trains and buses are there for the school run? Interesting view of public transport

Someone should tell Wiltshire council they forgot about the buses and trains in rural Wiltshire

Sorry got carried away with that as my son has to travel 20 miles to his college. My apollogies to all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I drive a very big 4x4, much taller and longer than most because........I love it

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Given the shit state of UK roads, and the potholes, I would have thought a 4x4 was essential

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone wants to drive a"Chelsea tractor" that's their business.

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By *rank n BettyCouple
over a year ago

Not meeting

Its big comfy i get all my camping gear in it, plus when it snows out here i dont have to walk to the shops.

Oh and it winds tree huggers up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its big comfy i get all my camping gear in it, plus when it snows out here i dont have to walk to the shops.

Oh and it winds tree huggers up

Yeah- but you don't use it just for the school run!

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I had an evoque for a bit as I thought they looked really nice on the outside and drove well. I have no kids and never took it off road. My commute is only a few miles. Bottom line I bought it because I like the look of it and enjoyed the drive.

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mate did the development of the export spec with a manual six speed says it will do almost everything a defender will do off road apart from carry sheep !shame we are stuck with autos

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By *llie RoseWoman
over a year ago

By the seaside

Everyone should just drive a Nissan Micra and be done with it

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By *heBakeOLiteGirlWoman
over a year ago

62 West Wallaby Street (not real address)

"Everyone should just drive a Nissan Micra and be done with it

Wouldn't get my dog in a Nissan micra though. I will stick with my 4x4

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the same as buying a car that does 180mph to toddle about the town is it not?people do it because they want to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really see them in volume like i used to,I think there unfashionable and costly

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By *llen n SebbCouple
over a year ago

Walkinstown

There should be a seperate licence category for SUVs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because if you drive real close people speed up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

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i don't get the issue either,it's not as if everyone has to pay for our running costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you lived where I live OP,it would be the first thing you would buy.

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By *acavityMan
over a year ago

Redditch

I love my range rover.

I don't need it, but use it for fun like green laning, camping and carrying huge piles of stuff.

For the short commute and nipping around town, I have a smart car.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

I want an X5 just because, and it won't go off road.

Didn't realise you had to justify how you spent your money.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

If I could afford one I'd have an evoque because I like the look and stuff what anyone thinks it's not their business!! Sadly I'll have to make do with my Juke 4x4 wannabe unless I win the lottery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Twats get stuck in car parking spaces unless they have sliding doors. Its quite funny to watch.

But if you live in a built up area with 1930s roads they are pointless.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Fiat Panda is a 4x4, as are a number of other smaller cars.

But yes, I don't understand why people want a Chelsea tractor as an everyday car - but it's up to them, they pay the VED and fuel duty.

I have a 4.0l Jeep Cherokee - I do have occasion to go off road and I do have occasion to tow or lug heavy loads. It's outrageously fuel inefficient at around 15 mpg, which is why I bought an LPG converted one, so the fuel is half price. But I don't use it as an every day vehicle.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

same i understand if your in the countryside or going off road often. but city driving is no need,

annoying part is most people do not know how to park and especially some car parks are designed to minimum standard of space, like the sainsburys by me, the spaces are tiny and no one parks straight as the car next to you is so close.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"They're probably safer in an accident and people like the elevated driving position"

Actually 4x4 SUV's are not safer travelling at speed or in crashes.

They are more lightly to flip and roll because of their higher centre of gravity injuring their occupants and more lightly to kill others too.

Perceived safety and actual safety are two different thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately some people's idea of 'debate' is somewhat different to everyone else's ...

The green arrow is a very useful tool...unlike some

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Unfortunately some people's idea of 'debate' is somewhat different to everyone else's ...

The green arrow is a very useful tool...unlike some

You again

Ewwww

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This is better

A discussion

People giving a valid point

As for the defensive ones

Or ones who choose to take offence for no reason

Please relax

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still don't understand your point though op. What exactly is wrong with buying a 4x4 and only using it for the school run? You don't seem to have explained that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus I get some good up skirt pics when Mrs fun gets in or out is that not enough lol

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

"Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run "

So why do people want hybrid cars or cars that can do an excess of 150 mph.

It's called personal choice yes we have a 4 x4 and it does get used for the school run and towing and sometimes off roading.

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By *ayd2pinkTV/TS
over a year ago

TENTERDEN

As far as I can see it's mostly about personal choice.

The only advantage of 4wd over 2wd is more forward traction. A 4wd wont stop any quicker than a 2wd or hold the road any better in ice/snow/mud (this fact seems lost to some owners)

And of course they use more fuel in 4wd mode. But I've had one so cannot judge others

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

I love my Porsche Cayenne,I can drive by looking down at the peasants as I pass by.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More room for fucking in. Although my favorite is the Chrysler grand voyager.

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

i don't get the issue either,it's not as if everyone has to pay for our running costs."

You don't get what the issue is?

It's obviously not illegal and you can afford it. We live in a 'free' society, so it's up to you.

BUT....

John Moody-Stuart, former CEO of Shell said about ten years ago that any car that didn't do 40+mpg in real world driving was a crime against the environment.

Personally, I think it's more like 65+mpg and it's actually a crime against humanity, not just the environment.

But I know our opinions will differ. And that's fine. But I'm just replying because you don't see what the issue is.

Liquid fossil fuels are one of mankind's most valuable finite resources. Note finite. At current rates of use they are projected to be completely used in just under 50 years. If we destroy the Artic too, you can stretch that out to 56 years last time I worked it out.

Mankind's most valuable finite resources. And there may be none left by the time your children are my age.

And you use them in a vehicle that does how many mpg? That weighs 1.5 - 2 tonnes and accelerates like a bullet (what fun!).

And wastes 60% of that fuel in heat losses. Another 20% in friction losses. And another 15% in idling losses. And of the 5% of useful energy you get from burning mankind's most valuable finite resources, less than 10% is actually burned to move YOU around (as opposed to the 1.5 tonnes of metal surrounding you).

And each gallon you burn produces 10kg of CO2 gas. Yes, 10kg of CO2. Next time you are in a supermarket, pick up 10 bags of sugar and hold them. That weight from one gallon of petrol.

And to avert a catastrophic rise in temperature, we'll now need to reduce CO2 emissions by 80% in the next 40 years.

And you don't see what the issue is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does 5 litres of petrol create 10 kg of carbon dioxide?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

i don't get the issue either,it's not as if everyone has to pay for our running costs.

You don't get what the issue is?

It's obviously not illegal and you can afford it. We live in a 'free' society, so it's up to you.

BUT....

John Moody-Stuart, former CEO of Shell said about ten years ago that any car that didn't do 40+mpg in real world driving was a crime against the environment.

Personally, I think it's more like 65+mpg and it's actually a crime against humanity, not just the environment.

But I know our opinions will differ. And that's fine. But I'm just replying because you don't see what the issue is.

Mankind's most valuable finite resources. And there may be none left by the time your children are my age.

And you use them in a vehicle that does how many mpg? That weighs 1.5 - 2 tonnes and accelerates like a bullet (what fun!).

And each gallon you burn produces 10kg of CO2 gas. Yes, 10kg of CO2. Next time you are in a supermarket, pick up 10 bags of sugar and hold them. That weight from one gallon of petrol.

And to avert a catastrophic rise in temperature, we'll now need to reduce CO2 emissions by 80% in the next 40 years.

And you don't see what the issue is.

And you don't see what the issue is."

No. I said i don't see what the op's issue was. If he had said all that then that would have validated his point. He hasn't. So i still don't understand what the op's issue is. Thanks for regurgitating bits from the internet for me though.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

i don't get the issue either,it's not as if everyone has to pay for our running costs.

You don't get what the issue is?

It's obviously not illegal and you can afford it. We live in a 'free' society, so it's up to you.

BUT....

John Moody-Stuart, former CEO of Shell said about ten years ago that any car that didn't do 40+mpg in real world driving was a crime against the environment.

Personally, I think it's more like 65+mpg and it's actually a crime against humanity, not just the environment.

But I know our opinions will differ. And that's fine. But I'm just replying because you don't see what the issue is.

Mankind's most valuable finite resources. And there may be none left by the time your children are my age.

And you use them in a vehicle that does how many mpg? That weighs 1.5 - 2 tonnes and accelerates like a bullet (what fun!).

And each gallon you burn produces 10kg of CO2 gas. Yes, 10kg of CO2. Next time you are in a supermarket, pick up 10 bags of sugar and hold them. That weight from one gallon of petrol.

And to avert a catastrophic rise in temperature, we'll now need to reduce CO2 emissions by 80% in the next 40 years.

And you don't see what the issue is.

And you don't see what the issue is."

Wow

What an answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do approx 3500 miles per year,some car drivers do over 100,000 who creates the most c02?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don't to be honest. I need a car to drive. And I chose a 4x4. I need my day to day matters to get done in the easiest of manners.

Climate change is something that will happen. And it's been happening since the inception of 'creation of the world'. Just by one or two people not driving a car or turning off a light switch won't change things around. If there was so much of a concern, there would be tighter regulations.

Crimes against humanity for driving a 4x4? Funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus my car is a diesel if that helps at all?

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"How does 5 litres of petrol create 10 kg of carbon dioxide?"

It's 4.54 litres. And it's 10.3kg.

But, since you asked, by burning it.

Think about it...a hydrocarbon molecule. The light hydrogen molecules form water with oxygen. The heavier carbon molecules (atomic weight 12) combines with two oxygen molecules (atomic weight 16 each) to make CO2 (atomic weight 44ish).

So, a part of a molecule weight 12 goes to weight 44.

Basic chemistry.

Shocking though, isn't it, that EVERY driver in the UK doesn't know that.

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow

What an answer "

Yes. Their answer was well researched. What's your answer? You seem to keep ignoring me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does 5 litres of petrol create 10 kg of carbon dioxide?

It's 4.54 litres. And it's 10.3kg.

But, since you asked, by burning it.

So, a part of a molecule weight 12 goes to weight 44.

Basic chemistry.

Shocking though, isn't it, that EVERY driver in the UK doesn't know that."

What about the carbon monoxide and water vapour etc etc, where does that appear from?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wow

What an answer

Yes. Their answer was well researched. What's your answer? You seem to keep ignoring me."

Because you are arguementative

And rude

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP is it just the the 4x4 transmission you dislike? For example lets say i own a fiat panda 4x4 and my neighbour own a dodge charger RT is your dislike still aimed at me because you think it's unnatural for all 4 wheels to be driven?

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By *illo0069Man
over a year ago

litherland

"How do you know they don't go off roading when they aren't doing the school run?? Great for taking camping too. ....oh but mustn't use it for the school run in case Mr Judgey McJudgeson shakes his head at you!

quality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow

What an answer

Yes. Their answer was well researched. What's your answer? You seem to keep ignoring me.

Because you are arguementative

And rude

I dispute that. I haven't been rude. I'm just asking you what the issue is that you have? A Perfectly reasonable question that you appear unable to answer.

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By *olly RogererMan
over a year ago

Braintree

"Sometimes it's a status thing I have a neighbour that has one and it's only used on the school run 3 streets away

Finally

Someone gets it"

Then you already knew the answer

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"I do approx 3500 miles per year,some car drivers do over 100,000 who creates the most c02?"

Honestly, I'm not tying to create an environment war here. I was just answering a post.

You know the answer to your point though - it depends on the fuel consumption of the vehicle you drive.

But surely the truth is that we ALL should be trying to get our mobility needs in the most fuel efficient package we can, not trying to convince ourselves that it's actually not our fault because there is someone worse than us.

Don't you think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow

What an answer

Yes. Their answer was well researched. What's your answer? You seem to keep ignoring me.

Because you are arguementative

And rude

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a 4x4 never seen off road, never will but it's the fun in driving it. and the £500 tax a year and the £100 fuel it takes its just mint

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"OP is it just the the 4x4 transmission you dislike? For example lets say i own a fiat panda 4x4 and my neighbour own a dodge charger RT is your dislike still aimed at me because you think it's unnatural for all 4 wheels to be driven?"

It's devil's business. What's wrong with a horse?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about cars that look like they're 4x4 but in fact they are only a 2 wheel drive version? Like the new Nissan X-trail? Is it the appearance of a status symbol that leaves you so very miffed?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's devil's business. What's wrong with a horse?"

Time to grow a throat beard...

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

It's devil's business. What's wrong with a horse?

Time to grow a throat beard...

Time for a barn raising?

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"How does 5 litres of petrol create 10 kg of carbon dioxide?

It's 4.54 litres. And it's 10.3kg.

But, since you asked, by burning it.

So, a part of a molecule weight 12 goes to weight 44.

Basic chemistry.

Shocking though, isn't it, that EVERY driver in the UK doesn't know that.

What about the carbon monoxide and water vapour etc etc, where does that appear from?"

Well, the water vapour is easy...it's from the hydrogen atoms in the hydrocarbon forming with oxygen to form H2O.

The carbon monoxide...you don't want to go there....it depends on the combustion process, pressures and temperatures in the engine. Honestly, it's too boring for words. But you can look it up if your interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does 5 litres of petrol create 10 kg of carbon dioxide?

It's 4.54 litres. And it's 10.3kg.

But, since you asked, by burning it.

So, a part of a molecule weight 12 goes to weight 44.

Basic chemistry.

Shocking though, isn't it, that EVERY driver in the UK doesn't know that.

What about the carbon monoxide and water vapour etc etc, where does that appear from?

Well, the water vapour is easy...it's from the hydrogen atoms in the hydrocarbon forming with oxygen to form H2O.

Well i am educated, and i thank you. I wonder if the same can be said for the OP..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's devil's business. What's wrong with a horse?

Time to grow a throat beard...

Time for a barn raising?"

In the style of 7 brides? You're on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok so my rangie does 23mpg. My nissan qashthing does at the moment around 48mpg best being 75. Does that mean im saving the world & wrecking it?

Basically its an old age topic where the 4x4 driver gets it in the neck for driving a gas guzzler & for killing the earth.

shall we kill all cows for farting as they produce more harmful gasses than a 4x4?

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

With an arse that good, you are very welcome

. More than very welcome actually.

Next time somebody asks why people have 4x4s, you can agree with him and repost all that well-researched information now at your finger tips!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

It's devil's business. What's wrong with a horse?

Time to grow a throat beard...

Time for a barn raising?

In the style of 7 brides? You're on!"

Excellent. I shall practise my singing.

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

Just knew this would not go well

How dare you tell people what to drive

Even though you weren't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do approx 3500 miles per year,some car drivers do over 100,000 who creates the most c02?

Honestly, I'm not tying to create an environment war here. I was just answering a post.

You know the answer to your point though - it depends on the fuel consumption of the vehicle you drive.

Don't you think?"

The carbon footprint manufacturing a new car is massive...my land rover is 30 years old and still running like it did when it was new.By getting rid of it,and changing to a small car would only be adding to the problem.The advice given out is to run the vehicle you have for as long as you can.Rather than changing cars every 5 or 6 years regardless of whether it's a 4x4 or a smart car.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A dog has a larger lifetime carbon footprint than a 4.6 litre Toyota Land Cruiser.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A dog has a larger lifetime carbon footprint than a 4.6 litre Toyota Land Cruiser."

Does it make a difference if it's a Jack Russel or an Irish Wolfhound ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A dog has a larger lifetime carbon footprint than a 4.6 litre Toyota Land Cruiser.

Does it make a difference if it's a Jack Russel or an Irish Wolfhound ? "

An "average" size dog, according to the study. I'm eco-friendly - I have 4 & a half cats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about cars that look like they're 4x4 but in fact they are only a 2 wheel drive version? Like the new Nissan X-trail? Is it the appearance of a status symbol that leaves you so very miffed?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Nuts the status thing I have issue with

As I said

Genuine use I have no problem with

The mines bigger than yours brigade are mindless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nuts the status thing I have issue with

As I said

Genuine use I have no problem with

The mines bigger than yours brigade are mindless "

Even those who drive subarus? Or the aforementioned panda?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're "ok" with Rolls Royce owners? Or Ferrari?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ford Ranger for me next because my dog looks cool in the back. If that's not a reason to buy a car then I don't know what it.

I do love a big truck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With an arse that good, you are very welcome

. More than very welcome actually.

Next time somebody asks why people have 4x4s, you can agree with him and repost all that well-researched information now at your finger tips!

So you see...although you answered my question perfectly the op actually isn't interested in the environmental issues at all...it was a commendable effort though

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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago

Shrewsbury

Nuts the status thing I have issue with

As I said

Genuine use I have no problem with

The mines bigger than yours brigade are mindless

Even those who drive subarus? Or the aforementioned panda?"

I used to have a 4x4 panda it was great really good in snow but I suspect not the type of 4x4 the op is slating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run "

I have a 4x4. I like it because I tow my boat with it. Go camping with it. I can load it up with shopping and DIY stuff for the house I am renovating. I love the comfort and the high ride height.

Do I need it? Probably not. No doubt I could find another car that does the same.

Do I see it as a status symbol? No, I buy what I want for me.

Do I care what the OP thinks about 4x4s? Nope, couldnt give a flying fuck.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I do like peas

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

Clem I

you sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does 5 litres of petrol create 10 kg of carbon dioxide?

It's 4.54 litres. And it's 10.3kg.

But, since you asked, by burning it.

So, a part of a molecule weight 12 goes to weight 44.

Basic chemistry.

Shocking though, isn't it, that EVERY driver in the UK doesn't know that.

What about the carbon monoxide and water vapour etc etc, where does that appear from?

Well, the water vapour is easy...it's from the hydrogen atoms in the hydrocarbon forming with oxygen to form H2O.

Hydrogen from the Greek hydro (water) gen (forming).

Ive been reading but biting my lip... I thank you

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"I do like peas "

Give peas a chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do like peas

Give peas a chance. "

I always smile when i see that particular bit of graffiti

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's so they can sit higher up and look down on the peasants as they drive by

That's what I've got mind for

Although apparently the model is drive is popular with travelling community so I'm forever being pulled over!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up. "

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

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over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course..."

I'm pretty sure you're not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course..."

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course..."

Depends on the road. The limit is 60 on the country lanes, and yet I can think of loads of places where you'd be a fool to do over 40.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're "ok" with Rolls Royce owners? Or Ferrari?"

Oh God don't bring me into it!

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"How does 5 litres of petrol create 10 kg of carbon dioxide?

It's 4.54 litres. And it's 10.3kg.

But, since you asked, by burning it.

So, a part of a molecule weight 12 goes to weight 44.

Basic chemistry.

Shocking though, isn't it, that EVERY driver in the UK doesn't know that.

What about the carbon monoxide and water vapour etc etc, where does that appear from?

Well, the water vapour is easy...it's from the hydrogen atoms in the hydrocarbon forming with oxygen to form H2O.

Hydrogen from the Greek hydro (water) gen (forming).

Ive been reading but biting my lip... I thank you

Hopefully we both know we are on the same side about most things!

Happy to be your wing man on environmental issues anytime!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I had the money I'd seriously buy a Mercedes G class 6x6 and run over everyone in a 4x4.

Seriously! I'd buy the 6x6 but probably won't run people over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

A Passion not seen since one man's crusade against owners of cars with 4 wheel drive transmission systems who have bought these cars with the specific reason of "lording it about". We have now of course learnt that such status symbols are abhorrent. Much better to buy 2 wheel drive luxury cars instead.

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

"
.

Maybe the moral of the story is walk your kids to school, or bike where walking is a bit far.

You'll be healthier, wealthier and apparently wiser as well!.

Hell you walk enough and you'll be able to show off a really good body!.

Or just keep on trucking in your truck but let's not keep on with the who's kidding who routine

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

I did the voices in my head as I read that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't be the only one here who finds evoques incredibly boring to drive with their daft sport mode and red light up dash

The heated seats do make for a toasty bum though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

Maybe the moral of the story is walk your kids to school, or bike where walking is a bit far.

You'll be healthier, wealthier and apparently wiser as well!.

Hell you walk enough and you'll be able to show off a really good body!.

Or just keep on trucking in your truck but let's not keep on with the who's kidding who routine"

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"If I had the money I'd seriously buy a Mercedes G class 6x6 and run over everyone in a 4x4.

Seriously! I'd buy the 6x6 but probably won't run people over

If I had the money, I'd buy the Mercedes Car Company, sack all the management and close down production for the good of humanity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

I did the voices in my head as I read that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice and spacious inside, big boot. Safe when the UK has a melt down at a bit of snow.

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By *laskan lovers 1984Couple
over a year ago

West midlands

I have a 4x4 and 99% of the time it's in rear wheel drive only and gets about 28 mpg I also have a rather sensible volvo estate which I have had down to 8 mpg

Mwahaha

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

Maybe the moral of the story is walk your kids to school, or bike where walking is a bit far.

You'll be healthier, wealthier and apparently wiser as well!.

Hell you walk enough and you'll be able to show off a really good body!.

Or just keep on trucking in your truck but let's not keep on with the who's kidding who routine"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a 4x4 and 99% of the time it's in rear wheel drive only and gets about 28 mpg I also have a rather sensible volvo estate which I have had down to 8 mpg

Mwahaha"

This thread has nothing to do with environmental impact, and everything to do with status, or lack there of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think of the poor sods paying £250 a tyre

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By *laskan lovers 1984Couple
over a year ago

West midlands

"I have a 4x4 and 99% of the time it's in rear wheel drive only and gets about 28 mpg I also have a rather sensible volvo estate which I have had down to 8 mpg

Mwahaha

This thread has nothing to do with environmental impact, and everything to do with status, or lack there of."

Err yeah a 21 year old volvo estate gives me so much street cred lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a 4x4 and 99% of the time it's in rear wheel drive only and gets about 28 mpg I also have a rather sensible volvo estate which I have had down to 8 mpg

Mwahaha

This thread has nothing to do with environmental impact, and everything to do with status, or lack there of.

Err yeah a 21 year old volvo estate gives me so much street cred lol"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty of room for whatever turns u on

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

My 1981 rd350lc dies about 20mpg. And goes through a litre of two stroke oil every 140 miles

Am I better than worse than

GULP

A 4x4 driver

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone actually see a Range Rover as a status thing anymore?

They're probably one of the most popular cars on the road.

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world."

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"My 1981 rd350lc dies about 20mpg. And goes through a litre of two stroke oil every 140 miles

Am I better than worse than

GULP

A 4x4 driver "

Are you joking?

A two stroke?

It has a catalytic converter?

You'd be much better for the environment in a petrol 4x4.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

So, getting back to 4x4's...

Do people like them because they feel better sitting higher up? Status symbol? Surely not for their looks as most of them are ugly lumps of metal and plastic.

And not for off-road capability as they usually slow down to 2mph for speed bumps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

Maybe the moral of the story is walk your kids to school, or bike where walking is a bit far.

You'll be healthier, wealthier and apparently wiser as well!.

Hell you walk enough and you'll be able to show off a really good body!.

Or just keep on trucking in your truck but let's not keep on with the who's kidding who routine"

The moral of the story to me is don't have kids, then you can buy a lovely car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

Maybe the moral of the story is walk your kids to school, or bike where walking is a bit far.

You'll be healthier, wealthier and apparently wiser as well!.

Hell you walk enough and you'll be able to show off a really good body!.

Or just keep on trucking in your truck but let's not keep on with the who's kidding who routine

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world."
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It's hard, life I mean, I could tell you the real problems that will face your children, there not pretty, in fact there bloody awful, the trouble I've found with telling people that they're behaviour is bad, is they dig their heels in...

The truth is the two choices offered to you are shit...

Your going to have to give up alot.. Like loads, or, you can carry on and your kids will really live a life of utter horror...

It's like doctors with antibiotics, if they keep giving them to you for stuff like coughs, sure it will be easier for you... But your kids will probably end up having to live without any of the benefits of them for when there really really ill.

I know the choices are bad but that's life.

Pick your side and live with the consequences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run "

Not justifying my personal choice to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

So could i ask where do you go on holiday & how do you get there? A plane by any chance?

I holiday here so i pay for fuel here i shop in the local towns & villages & 9/10 when i arrive at my holiday destination i leave the rangie on site & believe it or not walk hence cutting down my carbon footprint. So before you carry on knocking us for having a big car think of the next generation asking questions like "mom how do you get to a foriegn country?"

"You drove to the airport & catch a plane"

And before you ask i didnt buy a range rover for status. I bought it cuz it does the job i want it to do

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over a year ago

Oh & one last point. Why should i be ashamed? Im nowhere near ashmade to drive a 4x4.

When i come to trade the old girl in & buy another 4x4 i'll invite you up here to test drive it

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

OP still judging people i see

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

So could i ask where do you go on holiday & how do you get there? A plane by any chance?

"You drove to the airport & catch a plane"

And before you ask i didnt buy a range rover for status. I bought it cuz it does the job i want it to do"

And what's that? To burn fossil fuel needlessly?

Do you want me to work out the CO2 per passenger kilometer for your 4x4 and compare it to the CO2 per passenger kilometer for a passenger jet?

Do you want me to research the tonnage of CO2 from the road transport sector compared to commercial aviation (it's less than one fifth if memory serves me correctly. I can go check though if you want)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

Maybe the moral of the story is walk your kids to school, or bike where walking is a bit far.

You'll be healthier, wealthier and apparently wiser as well!.

Hell you walk enough and you'll be able to show off a really good body!.

Or just keep on trucking in your truck but let's not keep on with the who's kidding who routine

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world..

The truth is the two choices offered to you are shit...

Your going to have to give up alot.. Like loads, or, you can carry on and your kids will really live a life of utter horror...

I know the choices are bad but that's life.

Pick your side and live with the consequences"

The trouble with that argument is, I'm not the one you have to convince. Me changing my life will make not a jot of difference. The powers that be need to be setting the precedent and making people make the change. I'm not opposed to what you are saying, I'm not the bad guy here I'm just doing What i need to do to get by.

And there is the problem. Until people are forced to change they won't.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run "

They are probably a "professional couple" looking for same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run "

Big, spacious, make people feel safe, better view from higher up.

Better control in the wet (assuming it actually has 4x4 most of the suvs dont lol) or poor conditions.

Many reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

So could i ask where do you go on holiday & how do you get there? A plane by any chance?

"You drove to the airport & catch a plane"

And before you ask i didnt buy a range rover for status. I bought it cuz it does the job i want it to do

And what's that? To burn fossil fuel needlessly?

Do you want me to work out the CO2 per passenger kilometer for your 4x4 and compare it to the CO2 per passenger kilometer for a passenger jet?

Right. I need a truck to shovel shit into, that I can put a big round bale of hay/straw in, that can go across fields in winter, tow a trailer/harrow/roller, that I can pick my friends daughter up from school in (her school is in the middle of know where so we can't walk and the buses are rubbish) ..... can you find me a prius that can do all that? Or should I have a tractor AND a car??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unless you genuinely need a 4x4 car I struggle to understand why people feel the need.

Bit much for the school run

I have a 4x4. I like it because I tow my boat with it. Go camping with it. I can load it up with shopping and DIY stuff for the house I am renovating. I love the comfort and the high ride height.

Do I need it? Probably not. No doubt I could find another car that does the same.

Do I see it as a status symbol? No, I buy what I want for me.

Do I care what the OP thinks about 4x4s? Nope, couldnt give a flying fuck."

Tow a boat snd go camping ptetty much fit the "need" bracket of lqrge 4 wheel drive vehicles :p

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"Oh & one last point. Why should i be ashamed? Im nowhere near ashmade to drive a 4x4.

When i come to trade the old girl in & buy another 4x4 i'll invite you up here to test drive it"

Well, if it's me your inviting, I'll thank you but decline.

You wouldn't be ashamed. But I would. Very. Actually, I wouldn't be seen dead.

And that's OK. You are allowed your point of view. I am allowed mine.

My only hope is that as we advance as a society, more and more people will look on your choice with ever greater disdain. History will be on my side.

I suspect by what you say though, you won't care.

But that's fine.

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

So could i ask where do you go on holiday & how do you get there? A plane by any chance?

"You drove to the airport & catch a plane"

And before you ask i didnt buy a range rover for status. I bought it cuz it does the job i want it to do

And what's that? To burn fossil fuel needlessly?

Do you want me to work out the CO2 per passenger kilometer for your 4x4 and compare it to the CO2 per passenger kilometer for a passenger jet?

I think you would need to care first.

If you did, you'd make the right choice anyway

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By *verready32Man
over a year ago

omagh

Do I need a 4x4, no. Do I have one yes, do I give a crap what others think no. Cos its a free country and I pay my taxes, so if I can afford one and I can then im going to drive one, as for the crap about co2 ect, I dont give a toss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day theres gonna be no better vehicle built than a 4x4. Except it we need these vehicles to keep the world turning whether you like it or not.

im off to put £90 worth of fosil fuel in the tank which will last me for at least 220 miles on a good run

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

So could i ask where do you go on holiday & how do you get there? A plane by any chance?

"You drove to the airport & catch a plane"

And before you ask i didnt buy a range rover for status. I bought it cuz it does the job i want it to do

And what's that? To burn fossil fuel needlessly?

Do you want me to work out the CO2 per passenger kilometer for your 4x4 and compare it to the CO2 per passenger kilometer for a passenger jet?

I think you would need to care first.

If you did, you'd make the right choice anyway"

Are you actually serious? What planet do you live on? This is typical townie bullshit. How do you think your food is grown and raised?? Do you think it magically appears in tesco? People in the countryside need hard working vehicles. I'm sure most of us would love to afford clean economical vehicles but because of people like you none of make the kind of money to afford one. Until you've walked the walk don'tare yourself look stupid by making some faffy vague comment about me not caring because you can't provide a decent answer.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Roads full of pot holes, ridiculous speed bumps every 200 yards that damage normal cars......why wouldn't you drive an off road vehicle when the local authorities make the roads like some kind of off road assault course!

We don't have one BTW, but are thinking about it!

We could get a nice electric car where the batteries need replacing every 3 or 4 years and charge them using nicely clean environmentally friendly generated electricity from either a coal burning or nuclear power station.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just don't understand the hate leveled at 4x4s, there's not even that many which are permanent four wheel drive these days. Luxury or sports cars can be much worse for the environment. But never get a mention. My old freelander used to do 45 to the gallon, my wife's espace does 22! Yet it's the 4x4 that attracts the prejudicial hate.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I can safely say I don;t give a shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

So could i ask where do you go on holiday & how do you get there? A plane by any chance?

"You drove to the airport & catch a plane"

And before you ask i didnt buy a range rover for status. I bought it cuz it does the job i want it to do

And what's that? To burn fossil fuel needlessly?

Do you want me to work out the CO2 per passenger kilometer for your 4x4 and compare it to the CO2 per passenger kilometer for a passenger jet?

I think you would need to care first.

If you did, you'd make the right choice anyway

Marry me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh & one last point. Why should i be ashamed? Im nowhere near ashmade to drive a 4x4.

When i come to trade the old girl in & buy another 4x4 i'll invite you up here to test drive it

Well, if it's me your inviting, I'll thank you but decline.

You wouldn't be ashamed. But I would. Very. Actually, I wouldn't be seen dead.

And that's OK. You are allowed your point of view. I am allowed mine.

My only hope is that as we advance as a society, more and more people will look on your choice with ever greater disdain. History will be on my side.

I suspect by what you say though, you won't care.

But that's fine.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

End this nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh & one last point. Why should i be ashamed? Im nowhere near ashmade to drive a 4x4.

When i come to trade the old girl in & buy another 4x4 i'll invite you up here to test drive it

Well, if it's me your inviting, I'll thank you but decline.

You wouldn't be ashamed. But I would. Very. Actually, I wouldn't be seen dead.

And that's OK. You are allowed your point of view. I am allowed mine.

My only hope is that as we advance as a society, more and more people will look on your choice with ever greater disdain. History will be on my side.

I suspect by what you say though, you won't care.

But that's fine.

Well if your ever taken ill somewhere off the beaten track & you need assistance dont forget to tell the emergency services ie fire, police, ambulance, mountain rescue, life guards not to come in an off road vehicle cuz they cause to much CO2 & you wouldnt be seen dead in one. Ye right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world.

Well enjoy it while you can. The way we are all going your kids won't have the opportunity of driving their kids to school in the same way.

You'll just ensuring that we are probably the last generation who can be so wasteful with such a precious and damaging resource.

Still, you'll be able to tell your grandchildren all about it.

"What did you do in the climate war, Grandma?"

"Oh, I used a 4x4 to drive your Mum four miles to school twice a day. It was OK though, because I didn't live in a simplistic world!"

So could i ask where do you go on holiday & how do you get there? A plane by any chance?

"You drove to the airport & catch a plane"

And before you ask i didnt buy a range rover for status. I bought it cuz it does the job i want it to do

And what's that? To burn fossil fuel needlessly?

Do you want me to work out the CO2 per passenger kilometer for your 4x4 and compare it to the CO2 per passenger kilometer for a passenger jet?

I think you would need to care first.

If you did, you'd make the right choice anyway

Marry me."

Haha!! Anyday! As long as you don't mind doing it in wellies!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because if you drive real close people speed up.

If someone in any car gets up my bumper I slow down!

Roads have a speed limit not a target to reach

I'm not so sure. If I'm traveling along a road with, lets say a 40mph speed limit, then my target speed is 40 mph... I may be in the minority here of course...

If the car in front was doing 39, would you get right up their ass to make sure you were doing 40 though?

Depends on if they slow down for 30's. There's a few drivers out there who just do "around 40" everywhere. I hate these drivers with a passion!

EG:

"OI MATE, ARE YOU DROPPING YOUR KIDS OF AT SCHOOL IN A FACKIN' 4X4? YA' PONCE!".

"No it's merely a 4 litre Jag".

"Oh that's fine then."

Maybe the moral of the story is walk your kids to school, or bike where walking is a bit far.

You'll be healthier, wealthier and apparently wiser as well!.

Hell you walk enough and you'll be able to show off a really good body!.

Or just keep on trucking in your truck but let's not keep on with the who's kidding who routine

Hmm...I'd prefer to get my kids to school in one piece. Cycling 4 miles on a busy a road isn't worth the risk so I'll be sticking to driving. It must be great to live in a simplistic world..

The truth is the two choices offered to you are shit...

Your going to have to give up alot.. Like loads, or, you can carry on and your kids will really live a life of utter horror...

I know the choices are bad but that's life.

Pick your side and live with the consequences

And there is the problem. Until people are forced to change they won't.

"
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No I don't think your the "bad guy",I think your right, people like stuff, they like holidays and nice cars and 4x4s and boats and cruises on the Caribbean and strawberries in February... There all wonderful things but as with all wonderful things they come at a price and in this circumstance a very very big one.

So yeah there's the light hearted remarks and there's the genuine I couldn't give a shit brigade, that's fair play, your here once, why not enjoy it.... It's a selfish choice but it's a human one!.

All that debate about is it could will it, that was 40 years ago when we were kids, we've all known a long time now that it's bad, it's worse than bad. The weathers fucked, go to India ask locals.. They know it's fucked, it's pouring down when it should be dry it's 40 degrees when it should be 25, it's the driest year on record followed by the wettest year on record , if your ever lucky enough to go to south Florida, you can drive through the sea level rise at 2pm on a glorious hot sunny day... Most people don't think, they just see water coming out of grids on the road... It's salt water, it's coming up the storm drains and flooding roads... Ohhh I did think that was strange

So yeah we can all rationalise why were doing bad shit, it's dead easy, Hitler perfectly rationalised rounding up Jews and gassing them...

Humans are great at rationalising our bad habits..

I think that's the first thing we have to change in the process.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

*as Dr. Evil*

Zip it!

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

i don't get the issue either,it's not as if everyone has to pay for our running costs.

You don't get what the issue is?

It's obviously not illegal and you can afford it. We live in a 'free' society, so it's up to you.

BUT....

John Moody-Stuart, former CEO of Shell said about ten years ago that any car that didn't do 40+mpg in real world driving was a crime against the environment.

Personally, I think it's more like 65+mpg and it's actually a crime against humanity, not just the environment.

But I know our opinions will differ. And that's fine. But I'm just replying because you don't see what the issue is.

Mankind's most valuable finite resources. And there may be none left by the time your children are my age.

And you use them in a vehicle that does how many mpg? That weighs 1.5 - 2 tonnes and accelerates like a bullet (what fun!).

And each gallon you burn produces 10kg of CO2 gas. Yes, 10kg of CO2. Next time you are in a supermarket, pick up 10 bags of sugar and hold them. That weight from one gallon of petrol.

And to avert a catastrophic rise in temperature, we'll now need to reduce CO2 emissions by 80% in the next 40 years.

And you don't see what the issue is.

And you don't see what the issue is."

Because when I am laying on my death bed my children won't say "Dad remember that time we got 65.4 mpg?"

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

I think you would need to care first.

If you did, you'd make the right choice anyway

Wow. That hit a raw nerve!

BTW, I live on planet earth - must be the same one as you, as we only have one.

Don't you think 'the doors' posts really hit the mark brilliantly.

None of us go out in the morning saying 'let's destroy the planet today'. Everyone is just trying to do what they need to do.

And reading through the posts here, isn't the human race fascinating? It comes as second nature to so many of us to say 'Don't look at me. It's not my fault. Look at that person, they are far worse'. Be it 'I don't do many miles, so It doesn't matter what I do'; 'I don't fly, so it doesn't matter what I drive'; 'I need to tow a boat, so I can drive a car that weighs two tonnes'; I shovel shit, so I need a 4x4'; even 'It's not our fault. It's China and America that are the bad guys'.

And the world turns.

And 7,500,000,000 of us just get on with our lives saying 'it's not my fault' and 'it doesn't matter what I do, it makes no difference, don't get at me'

And we emit 36,000,000,000 tonnes of CO2 into out atmosphere every year.

In the UK on average we are responsible for 22kg of CO2 each per day.

And we have to reduce that by 80% in the next 35 years.

And it doesn't seem in the least bit urgent for many.

And it's not just 4x4s. Actually it's a huge section of modern cars.

And in reply to one post: crime against humanity. Funny.

No, not really.

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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

i don't get the issue either,it's not as if everyone has to pay for our running costs.

You don't get what the issue is?

It's obviously not illegal and you can afford it. We live in a 'free' society, so it's up to you.

BUT....

John Moody-Stuart, former CEO of Shell said about ten years ago that any car that didn't do 40+mpg in real world driving was a crime against the environment.

Personally, I think it's more like 65+mpg and it's actually a crime against humanity, not just the environment.

But I know our opinions will differ. And that's fine. But I'm just replying because you don't see what the issue is.

Mankind's most valuable finite resources. And there may be none left by the time your children are my age.

And you use them in a vehicle that does how many mpg? That weighs 1.5 - 2 tonnes and accelerates like a bullet (what fun!).

And each gallon you burn produces 10kg of CO2 gas. Yes, 10kg of CO2. Next time you are in a supermarket, pick up 10 bags of sugar and hold them. That weight from one gallon of petrol.

And to avert a catastrophic rise in temperature, we'll now need to reduce CO2 emissions by 80% in the next 40 years.

And you don't see what the issue is.

Because when I am laying on my death bed my children won't say "Dad remember that time we got 65.4 mpg?"

Maybe not. Let's just hope they don't say:

"Dad, your generationthe really fucked the environment for our generation. How come you didn't care?"

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"I've got a 4x4. I need seven seats and the people carriers don't take my fancy.

Plus, a small man needs a big car. I love my car. I don't get what the issue is

i don't get the issue either,it's not as if everyone has to pay for our running costs.

You don't get what the issue is?

It's obviously not illegal and you can afford it. We live in a 'free' society, so it's up to you.

BUT....

John Moody-Stuart, former CEO of Shell said about ten years ago that any car that didn't do 40+mpg in real world driving was a crime against the environment.

Personally, I think it's more like 65+mpg and it's actually a crime against humanity, not just the environment.

But I know our opinions will differ. And that's fine. But I'm just replying because you don't see what the issue is.

Mankind's most valuable finite resources. And there may be none left by the time your children are my age.

And you use them in a vehicle that does how many mpg? That weighs 1.5 - 2 tonnes and accelerates like a bullet (what fun!).

And each gallon you burn produces 10kg of CO2 gas. Yes, 10kg of CO2. Next time you are in a supermarket, pick up 10 bags of sugar and hold them. That weight from one gallon of petrol.

And to avert a catastrophic rise in temperature, we'll now need to reduce CO2 emissions by 80% in the next 40 years.

And you don't see what the issue is.

Because when I am laying on my death bed my children won't say "Dad remember that time we got 65.4 mpg?"

Maybe not. Let's just hope they don't say:

"Dad, your generationthe really fucked the environment for our generation. How come you didn't care?""

To which I would reply " at least I didn't make it worse by buying something like a Prius. One of the most environmentally damaging cars you could buy..."

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