FabSwingers.com forum: Is it racist

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

Not racist, just personal choice

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not racist, just personal choice"

You not think it's motivated by racism? Why care about past partners race?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Just out of curiosity why wouldn't you?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Just out of curiosity why wouldn't you? "

Or you asking in general?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Just out of curiosity why wouldn't you? "

I'm not sure, it's something I'd consider racist as I can't see a reasonable answer to why it would affect them unless, of course, they just have a problem with that race.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems weird that someone would do that. Not sure if it's racist for all individuals but it seems likely someone racist would do this.

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Hmmm divisive thread is very divisive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not racist, just personal choice"

Seriously?

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

"Not racist, just personal choice

You not think it's motivated by racism? Why care about past partners race?"

I couldn't care less who someone has played with in the past... as Long as the attraction between them and myself is mutual.. and that goes for skin colour too...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

its a bit "6 degree's of seperation" for my liking....

and we all don't find the same thing attractive, so why doesn't it matter who the people you are playing with played with if they are being safe....

in which case that would be something more sinister....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hmmm divisive thread is very divisive.

I'm not trying to shit stir, I've just been told I'm wrong and I can't understand why (they won't explain further), and I'd like to understand better.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?

its a bit "6 degree's of seperation" for my liking....

and we all don't find the same thing attractive, so why doesn't it matter who the people you are playing with played with if they are being safe....

in which case that would be something more sinister...."

Buuut this isn't a case by case basis, this is if they've fucked a black person at all.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

It's plain daft at best. It's like saying you won't fuck someone who's previously fucked short people.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Without the full facts I can't really 100% say but it does scream a little racist but that my thoughts on the limited information

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had meets and many I used to speak to on cam who told me about the abuse they used to get because they've met me or been speaking to me on cam. Many told them were tol they would not meet them because they had met me and been speaking to me.

I find that hilarious. Although, it wasn't a problem for me. It just meant I got to meet them more often

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My hunch is that there are racist undertones. I can understand not being attracted to people of a different ethnicity to an extent, but even then the generalisation makes me wonder what is behind it. However to reject someone based on the ethnicity of a previous partner seems to me to have some strange beliefs underpinning it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is racist not to fuck someone because of the race of their previous partner.

And frankly ridiculous.

But then it's a ridiculous question and you knew that when you asked, OP.

AS always the forums act as a great filter!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's an odd one, personally I don't care who anyone had sex with before me and won't care who they have sex with after me as long as they have a clean bill of health when they are with me.

Everyone has freedom of choice and the right to say no without even giving a reason, but at the same time, what someone does when they aren't with you really isn't any of your business unless you are in a relationship.

Mrs x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've had meets and many I used to speak to on cam who told me about the abuse they used to get because they've met me or been speaking to me on cam. Many told them were tol they would not meet them because they had met me and been speaking to me.

I find that hilarious. Although, it wasn't a problem for me. It just meant I got to meet them more often

Cos of your race or cos your reputation precedes you?

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By *udebhoyMan
over a year ago

east kilbride

dont know why anyone would ask who you have slept with previously. but it seems racist to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No personal choice

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

"Not racist, just personal choice

Seriously?"

Yes seriously... I don't care what colour a potential meet is as long as there is mutual attraction.

So if I don't like someone it's nothing to do with race or colour... if I don't like them, I don't like them, simple as that

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is racist not to fuck someone because of the race of their previous partner.

And frankly ridiculous.

But then it's a ridiculous question and you knew that when you asked, OP.

AS always the forums act as a great filter! "

Are you accusing me of being racist here? Perhaps pay attention a bit better if you are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you're not fucking the black person. I don't think it's racist, I just think it's 'thinking too much into it'

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But you're not fucking the black person. I don't think it's racist, I just think it's 'thinking too much into it'

What makes me think it's racist is that they're okay with them having fucked white people. It's solely non white races that are an issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't see how it could be classed as anything but racism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say it is probably a sentiment rooted in racism.

Having said that, it is often pointed out that people who don't want to have sex with men who are gay or bi could potentially be for health reasons (high rates of some STDs in bi and gay communities), and I suppose the same could be said for this issue as some races have higher/lower rates of certain STDS. Do I think this is usually the motive for such sentiments as described in the OP? No.

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By *XHNHWoman
over a year ago

Stokeish...

I can't see how it doesn't indicate that person has a racist approach, as it suggests to me they think you would be "tainted".

Guess they wouldn't be interested in me then

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would say it is probably a sentiment rooted in racism.

See I'd consider that somewhat homophobic too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This kinda reminds me of when you stalk your new chaps ex on facebook and then get your girls to rip her pics apart in a group chat. Ha

Ok. not of race, but how about these ladies on there profiles (& there's lots) that say they won't meet a bi man? Isn't that the same kinda thing?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I;d be surprised if the person with that preference wan;t a racist. I'm not convinced the preference in isolation is racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh Courtney said the same as me as I was typing it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would say it is probably a sentiment rooted in racism.

See I'd consider that somewhat homophobic too. "

I would agree. But the higher rate of STDs in certain communities isn't racist, its fact, so it could be a reason although, as I mentioned, I doubt it is usually the real reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It dosen't seem to be based around different races but black people if I'm reading it right. To say you wouldn't meet someone who has slept with a black person is a racist remark no way around it. If iv read the op question right I'd does state black and not of different race. But correct me if I'm wrong

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By *aveandkate35Couple
over a year ago

telford

I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

However when it comes to who your potential meet has fucked, then I think I could understand it more if you said "is it wrong not to want to fuck someone who plays with xxxxxx" where xxxxx is statistically high risk std demographic. (Please let's not get into a debate about who's higher risk!)

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What an odd one. Some people are far too obsessed with whose fucked who on here it's dam right silly. Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't see how it could be classed as anything but racism. "

this

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is racist not to fuck someone because of the race of their previous partner.

And frankly ridiculous.

But then it's a ridiculous question and you knew that when you asked, OP.

AS always the forums act as a great filter!

Are you accusing me of being racist here? Perhaps pay attention a bit better if you are. "

No.

Pay attention! I am saying you were being inflammatory!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is racist not to fuck someone because of the race of their previous partner.

And frankly ridiculous.

But then it's a ridiculous question and you knew that when you asked, OP.

AS always the forums act as a great filter!

Are you accusing me of being racist here? Perhaps pay attention a bit better if you are.

No.

Pay attention! I am saying you were being inflammatory!

I'm not, I've explained that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't see how it could be classed as anything but racism.

this "

I can't believe people even think that way anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang on, are lots of people not playing with condoms? On fab meets?

Jesus

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's obvious racism, just look back at history ....the civil rights movement in the USA....segregated because of skin colour .

This person is pathetic and you shouldn't even acknowledge their existence or care what they think or say !

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By *aveandkate35Couple
over a year ago

telford

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

That's my point - I think that's entirely open and respectful decision. The same as some wOnt play with bi etc. I think it was if the "sole" reason was skin colour was the point I was trying to make.

Like I said - we should all do as we please.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hang on, are lots of people not playing with condoms? On fab meets?

Jesus"

I dunno in this case, it didn't get discussed. I'm not sure if they've fucked black people with a condom would matter anyway.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Racist: because " not fucking people who have fucked black people" is implying that there is something they think is "wrong" with black people: and implies that they think this person has somehow been " contaminated" by the black person.

On the other hand, If someone says that they dont fuck black people themselves, it might, or might not be racist .

If they simply are not sexually attracted to black people ( like you could also not be attracted to red headed people, or thin people, or fat people, or short people,) then it's probably just preference. For instance, I have several oriental ( Chinese origin) freinds, I simply don't find any of them sexually attractive; I have no idea whether I have just not yet met one who attracts me, or whether my brain is wired up that way....on the other hand, I have had black and Asian ( Indian) lovers...

If they don't fuck black people just because they are black, and don't like black people, then it's racist .

It's all about what actually motivates people, and the reasons for it...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

That's my point - I think that's entirely open and respectful decision. The same as some wOnt play with bi etc. I think it was if the "sole" reason was skin colour was the point I was trying to make.

Like I said - we should all do as we please.

I guess "do as we please" is also an argument for not fucking those who fuck other races, but I just can't think of a GOOD reason why black people should be avoided. I was told I need to spend some time considering it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

I read an article released by the CDC (US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) that links higher STD rates with income. So, in the US higher rates tend to center around blacks and Hispanics because of their income inequality while in the UK you would have different demographics.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago

Southampton

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

No, I wouldn't, personal choice. Maria

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ask him/her why they feel that way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

I would say that is motivated by Racism..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

The only "rich" people with HIV are British gay men. Everyone else has been lower income. Saying that, my outreach work was restricted solely to the London area so it may be skewed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had a few men say they wouldn't fuck a woman who had fucked black men and one who said black or bi men. He was thinking of his sexual health he said. Shame he didn't say before we had fucked.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

Not wanting to fuck non-whites can be, and often is, mistakingly called a preference. When you don't want to fuck a white person because they've previously fucked someone who isn't, there is no other word for it than racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think this is why Beyoncé has such a cob on in her new single? Haha

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've had a few men say they wouldn't fuck a woman who had fucked black men and one who said black or bi men. He was thinking of his sexual health he said. Shame he didn't say before we had fucked. "

Lol. White people don't get STIs, don't you know?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me "

I care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like eveything in life its personal choice.

Some people might not like a partner sleeping with someone much older. Thats their perogative not ageism.

Who would sleep with someone who previously shagged a cat or dog? Not too many yet most likely we all like one or the other.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Like eveything in life its personal choice.

Some people might not like a partner sleeping with someone much older. Thats their perogative not ageism.

Who would sleep with someone who previously shagged a cat or dog? Not too many yet most likely we all like one or the other."

why is sleeping with different races comparable to bestiality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind. "

lol im even more confused now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh I have come across white girls who have shut me down because say their best friend has had a couple of mixed race kids but the dad did a runner. That's a common stereotype and gives us all a bad name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

It may not be racist to not fuck people of other race yourself...that can be put down to preference. To turn someone down that you would normally fuck...but on the basis of who they have fucked previously? That is definitely racist!

Anyway...how would you know for certain? Done may not show such verifications..and to expect absolute honesty on this site is rather naive!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say it's rooted in racism.

On a similar note, I've recently seen a profile saying, if you've ever been with a bi or bicurious man don't contact me.

I saved him the trouble & blocked him myself...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

lol im even more confused now"

I didn't receive an answer that made sense, so I wanted to open it up for discussion to hear what other views are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Like eveything in life its personal choice.

Some people might not like a partner sleeping with someone much older. Thats their perogative not ageism.

Who would sleep with someone who previously shagged a cat or dog? Not too many yet most likely we all like one or the other.

why is sleeping with different races comparable to bestiality?"

It isn't. Just making an extreme example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

lol im even more confused now"

But I think he's taking the piss asking you to 'open your mind' when his sounds pretty close minded and you sound to be the open minded one

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

It needs clarification I guess - it could be a perception of risk based on high HIV levels on the African continent but it sounds racist to me, especially if that is the only group mentioned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care. "

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Omg Google what the word means...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it's racist. At the end of the day we all have the right to have sex with who we want, with the other person consenting of course, and if someone isn't attracted to or doesn't feel comfortable playing with a 'X demographic' person, then there isn't anything other people can do to change it really.

Really I think the situation you have highlighted on fab and in Britain are in the minority. From what I understand most people play safe so you know, so long as you insist the same then you should be good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So people who won't meet people who have met bi guys are homophobic? ....or people who do bareback. ...we certainly look at people's veris to see who they've met...ans if we see anything that we don't like....we pass.....advertising the fact. ..may be a whole different ball game though. ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care.

Why?"

Because different interpretations of the situation interest me, and I'd like to learn from other people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

lol im even more confused now

I didn't receive an answer that made sense, so I wanted to open it up for discussion to hear what other views are. "

ok all that aside..

why have you got a fish tattooed on your thigh??

looks kinda like a tuna

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care.

Why?

Because different interpretations of the situation interest me, and I'd like to learn from other people. "

Not just for a reaction then

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't think it's racist. At the end of the day we all have the right to have sex with who we want, with the other person consenting of course, and if someone isn't attracted to or doesn't feel comfortable playing with a 'X demographic' person, then there isn't anything other people can do to change it really.

How come it matters though? Why would someone be okay with them fucking white people but just other races aren't okay? I just can't see how that be passed as "preference".

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care.

Why?

Because different interpretations of the situation interest me, and I'd like to learn from other people.

Not just for a reaction then

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

lol im even more confused now

I didn't receive an answer that made sense, so I wanted to open it up for discussion to hear what other views are.

ok all that aside..

why have you got a fish tattooed on your thigh??

looks kinda like a tuna

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..she might like fish...

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

Hahaha some folks are simply in denial,just like wanting to be desperate but equal anyone is entitled to their own preferance or choice even if its racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

Its as daft as a straight playing bi guy not being allowed to play as they might be riddled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care.

Why?

Because different interpretations of the situation interest me, and I'd like to learn from other people. "

ill throw this out there

ask him if its because hes fallen into the stereotype of all black guys having huge dongs and now feels he couldnt measure up following on from one

that might get a reaction

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care.

Why?

Because different interpretations of the situation interest me, and I'd like to learn from other people.

ill throw this out there

ask him if its because hes fallen into the stereotype of all black guys having huge dongs and now feels he couldnt measure up following on from one

that might get a reaction

I can't. Anyway, his opinion doesn't really matter as he can't articulate the reason why.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

The flavour of arsehole shows itself in many ways.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Yup it's racist xxx

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

which is fair enough..... my point is how far back in this chain of "6 degrees" do you go....

just the partner..... ooh what about someone who played with them..... or 2 back... played with played with

see... that gets a bit silly..... you'd be having to construct some sort of family tree type map before you did anything.....

at the end of the day, if it comes down to a safety issue, the only person at the end of the day you can protect is you.....

and i would hope you would do that for all playing partners regardless

i have seen people say that on here.... i turned around as said to them you'd be dissapointed as your friends list isn't as pure as you think it is!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care.

Why?

Because different interpretations of the situation interest me, and I'd like to learn from other people.

ill throw this out there

ask him if its because hes fallen into the stereotype of all black guys having huge dongs and now feels he couldnt measure up following on from one

that might get a reaction

Ask who? Read the thread. If i read that on anyones profile i would just move on. Because in some eyes its offensive nowt to do with cock. Some guys really are obsessed with there cock. Shame there brain aint as big

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By *ynopsisMan
over a year ago

Whetstone

It seems strange that someone will not play with you due to you playing with others and that's a general statement.

It's your choice at the end of the day and if he has an issue with who you play with then tough.

We all have a personal reason for not doing something but to miss out on something due to history is a very strange thing to do (IMHO that is)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How come it matters though? Why would someone be okay with them fucking white people but just other races aren't okay? I just can't see how that be passed as "preference"."

Well that's the thing, if it is genuinely their preference they have that right to a preference. I never said that preference is right, whether it's just due to preferences over attraction or something instilled in them by something they read. But the fact is, it is their right to choose who in this case they fuck. Lets be blunt though, things are changing, thinking about it, in my group of friends there is only one person who hasn't dated or had sex outside their race and that's as she has been married 4 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

That's my point - I think that's entirely open and respectful decision. The same as some wOnt play with bi etc. I think it was if the "sole" reason was skin colour was the point I was trying to make.

Like I said - we should all do as we please.

I've spent some time considering it and all I'm coming up with is if it's not about race or sexual health the only thing left is he has small man syndrome and assumes (wrongly) that all black guys are hung like horses and he won't compare?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Insecurity or racism. Can be no legitimate reason for stance such as this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's unusual behaviour to have an interest in any past conquest on here.

We meet people purely on our compatibility and not of who they meet previously.

We wouldn't dream of interviewing anyone as to who their past partners were.

As for the op , I would consider anyone who was concerned about if we had played with anyone black racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who cares. Id just skip the profile if it offended me

I care.

Why?

Because different interpretations of the situation interest me, and I'd like to learn from other people.

ill throw this out there

ask him if its because hes fallen into the stereotype of all black guys having huge dongs and now feels he couldnt measure up following on from one

that might get a reaction

now im really F`ing confused

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

lol im even more confused now

I didn't receive an answer that made sense, so I wanted to open it up for discussion to hear what other views are.

ok all that aside..

why have you got a fish tattooed on your thigh??

looks kinda like a tuna

looks like a plane to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

If it's done for racist reasons then yes it's racist.

Personal preference has nothing to do with it.

You won't wake up in the morning a different colour because you slept with someone who slept with a different coloured person.

In fact the more I think about it the more racist it actually is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people should lighten up

No pun intended

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

lol im even more confused now

I didn't receive an answer that made sense, so I wanted to open it up for discussion to hear what other views are.

ok all that aside..

why have you got a fish tattooed on your thigh??

looks kinda like a tuna

looks like a plane to me."

noway

defo a fish

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

Surely 'preference' is just a semantic way of covering up thhat they don't want to fuck a black person. Aesthetics of skin colour aside(not that that is an excuse in my book), I can't see how it's not racism.It's a negative prejudice based on skin colour(or cultural/ historical negative stereotyping). To say you wouldn't fuck anyone of a certain colour/heritage/size/shape/ethnicity before even MEETING them is prejudiced.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ask him/her why they feel that way

I did, I got told to think about it and I need to open my mind.

lol im even more confused now

I didn't receive an answer that made sense, so I wanted to open it up for discussion to hear what other views are.

ok all that aside..

why have you got a fish tattooed on your thigh??

looks kinda like a tuna

looks like a plane to me.

noway

defo a fish"

i had another look. i'm convinced it's a plane still.

maybe the tattoo will end up a fb meme like that blue/gold dress.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think it's unusual behaviour to have an interest in any past conquest on here.

We meet people purely on our compatibility and not of who they meet previously.

We wouldn't dream of interviewing anyone as to who their past partners were.

As for the op , I would consider anyone who was concerned about if we had played with anyone black racist. "

I wonder if it's asked when meeting people in clubs, and if so HOW it is asked. Or if they ask non swinging partners.

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By *XHNHWoman
over a year ago

Stokeish...

"Like eveything in life its personal choice.

Some people might not like a partner sleeping with someone much older. Thats their perogative not ageism.

Who would sleep with someone who previously shagged a cat or dog? Not too many yet most likely we all like one or the other.

why is sleeping with different races comparable to bestiality?"

I thought that was a pretty terrible comparator

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some people should lighten up

No pun intended"

Fair one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's unusual behaviour to have an interest in any past conquest on here.

We meet people purely on our compatibility and not of who they meet previously.

We wouldn't dream of interviewing anyone as to who their past partners were.

As for the op , I would consider anyone who was concerned about if we had played with anyone black racist.

I wonder if it's asked when meeting people in clubs, and if so HOW it is asked. Or if they ask non swinging partners. "

Would they have a clipboard and a checklist, how far back would you go, is there a cut off as to how long ago it was ?

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Not forgetting that we all originate(based on current ideas)from a certain continent nestled between the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. In which case the OPs question would indicate that anybody who thinks that way kind of are also prejudiced against themselves.

They shouldn't want to fuck anyone.

Even themselves with their own hand on their todger/clit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it's a white male asking the question it definitely wreaks of racism.

Perhaps he will be scared he doesn't measure up as we know all black men are huge

Who we've all fucked in the past is our business only and if it bothers some so much, they should just find equally paranoid playmates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some people should lighten up

No pun intended

Fair one

Yeah bad choice of words.

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By *XHNHWoman
over a year ago

Stokeish...

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism."

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it's a white male asking the question it definitely wreaks of racism.

Perhaps he will be scared he doesn't measure up as we know all black men are huge

Who we've all fucked in the past is our business only and if it bothers some so much, they should just find equally paranoid playmates.

Lol, which races are okay to say it?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

There was a couple on a few years ago who didn't fuck black people. They also didn’t fuck anyone who had and went through verifications and blocked anybody who had even said good morning to a black person it would appear.

I wondered when they had time to fuck and thought it the most ridiculous thing I'd read on here.

Not because they were racist, but the fact they believed they could avoid everyone who may have had sexual contact with a black person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have taken to not posting as I truly cannot disguise my contempt for the vitriol that is often spat at me; however This post interests me.

Please find linked the number of STD infections per region/gender/ethnicity per county linked below (GUM Association 2010)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P1Ce5lUgGuuMxoQTnE1cjaRuJvzbIKvO75NI2EYpACw/edit?hl=en&pref=2&pli=1#gid=2

At the same time these figures were released, the official population in the United Kingdom was

63,182,000

The figure can be extrapolated into two key ethnicity (for the purposes of this post and because I simply cannot be arsed to calculate percentages for each ethnicity in the UK, I have stuck with the ethnicity described in the initial OPs post (namely White British and Black British). The figures can be further examined to give the following two groups;

54,153,898 - White (92.1%)

1,148,738 - Black (1.95%)

Going back to the STD figures we now have the following (in England, the other nations of the British Isles have discounted from this short (lol) calculation, again because I can't be arsed, but please free too, I have given the relevant links.)

Across the 5 STD infections that data exists for there is a total of 210,095 infections

If we break this down into the two demographics above we now have the following;

158,339 Infections - White

17,058 Infections - Black

As a percentage of the overall figure of infections the following can be derived:

75.37% (rounded up) Infections - White

8.12% (rounded up) Infections - Black

Compare this with overall percentage of populations:

92.1% of Population is "White" - with 75.37% of Infections

1.95% of Population is "Black"with 8.12% of Infections

Please note that the demographic data is from the 2011 census and that the GUM clinic data is from 2009

Rather than thinking someone is being racist, perhaps we should consider that people are making what they feel is an "informed" choice. There is a higher rate of infections (STD) amongst the black population of the UK (per capita) than there is amongst the white population (per capita).

Please also note, I am not intentionally being racist here, just simple statistical calculations based upon the data freely available from recognised government sources.

The likelihood of infection is always low, if you practice safe/r sex. That statistics can be easily manipulated and that people ultimately have a choice with who or how they play.

I have no doubt that this post may be viewed by some as racist; I have offered no opinion on the subject; just presented the facts. I believe in choice, that people can and will play with who they wish, how and when they wish. I am a swinger because I am liberated enough to accept choice in all its form and pass no judgement/s on those that exercise that choice.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Hmmm divisive thread is very divisive.

Oooooh Funky...I've missed that pert butt of yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only problem with threads like this is they keep racism going ......just live and let live without stoking the fire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only problem with threads like this is they keep racism going ......just live and let live without stoking the fire

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The only problem with threads like this is they keep racism going ......just live and let live without stoking the fire

Soooo racism can't be discussed and we should just bury our heads in the sand cos you don't like it? Great view to have.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him! "

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've had a few men say they wouldn't fuck a woman who had fucked black men and one who said black or bi men. He was thinking of his sexual health he said. Shame he didn't say before we had fucked.

Lol. White people don't get STIs, don't you know?"

His argument was they are high risk and if he caught AIDS he wouldn't be allowed back into Saudi Arabia

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've had a few men say they wouldn't fuck a woman who had fucked black men and one who said black or bi men. He was thinking of his sexual health he said. Shame he didn't say before we had fucked.

Lol. White people don't get STIs, don't you know?

His argument was they are high risk and if he caught AIDS he wouldn't be allowed back into Saudi Arabia "

Absurd to me to think avoiding black or bi men is all it takes.

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By *XHNHWoman
over a year ago

Stokeish...

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!"

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

I also wouldn't meet a 35 year old black guy who was very obese, or had no teeth, does that make me prejudice? At the end of the day this is a SEX site to find people you're physically attracted to for sex, why would I meet someone who doesn't turn me on?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

The difference here is does it matter if that person met someone who is old?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've had a few men say they wouldn't fuck a woman who had fucked black men and one who said black or bi men. He was thinking of his sexual health he said. Shame he didn't say before we had fucked.

Lol. White people don't get STIs, don't you know?

His argument was they are high risk and if he caught AIDS he wouldn't be allowed back into Saudi Arabia

Absurd to me to think avoiding black or bi men is all it takes. "

I just nodded and said oh right. I didn't see him again

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

It does seem rather strange I will admit but without knowing Al the facts it's hard to judge

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By *XHNHWoman
over a year ago

Stokeish...

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

The difference here is does it matter if that person met someone who is old?"

No, exactly, I'd never rule out anyone based on who they played with previously. But to make a blanket statement that anyone who has certain preferences for who they personally have sex with is prejudiced is absurd.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

See. You've used race again.'35 year old black guy'.

The logical assumption anyone can make from that statement is that if he was non=black you might.

Picky I know. But that's the issue in question.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

The difference here is does it matter if that person met someone who is old?

You know what prejudice means?

an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.

So if you don't want to shag someone based on a colour, it's based on a prejudice. This type of prejudice is called racism.

Admittedly, we could get in to different, er,shades of racism to a greater or lesser degree(I have loads of black friends, etc, blah, blah). But you can't avoid the prejudice angle if you won't shag someone based on their race.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!"

Actually I disagree - you can choose not to meet black (old, green, martian, whatever) guys out of preference, prejudice, or racism - which it is depends entirely on your attitude, not the statement per se.

That's why I hate political correctness - it is about the letter of the law not the spirit of the law, and the 'offense' is in the spirit.

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By *XHNHWoman
over a year ago

Stokeish...

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

The difference here is does it matter if that person met someone who is old?

You know what prejudice means?

an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.

So if you don't want to shag someone based on a colour, it's based on a prejudice. This type of prejudice is called racism.

Seriously that is ridiculous, if I wouldn't have someone clean my windows or nurse me, based on a protected characteristic then they would be discriminatory. Preferring to have sex with people who look a certain way isn't.

Would you have sex with a 80 year old bi guy? If not then you're clearly ageist and homophobic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

The difference here is does it matter if that person met someone who is old?

You know what prejudice means?

an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.

So if you don't want to shag someone based on a colour, it's based on a prejudice. This type of prejudice is called racism.

Ot it could be based on the ratio of STD infections amongst certain populations; you state that if someone doesn't wish to fuck someone based upon skin colour they are "prejudice" thus implying that they cannot conduct simply statistical analysis.... labelling them racist in the process. Is it prejudice to limit what they feel is a potential threat?

Swinging is about "informed choice", where people seek their information is up to them, and how they make their choice is also up to them, yet you believe that the driver behind this choice is bigotry...

Again please note, I am as far from racist as any man could be, those that know my vocation and career would agree, yet you brand anyone making a choice, based on information they believe to be correct, to limit their potential of a perceived threat as racist and I call you out on this and say No.....

People have choice and will use the information and knowledge that they have at their disposal to exercise that choice, they should not be labelled with derogatory comments on that basis...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have any upper middle class men decided to meet me, yet?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

People have choice and will use the information and knowledge that they have at their disposal to exercise that choice, they should not be labelled with derogatory comments on that basis..."

Fair point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought I'd read some posts while having my lunch......totally lost now

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I tend to think that it's entirely your choice who you fuck.

If you see what I mean? But as far as I was aware "black" people pose not additional risk purely based on their skin colour. So to me, that seems the deciding factor, ergo - racist.

Ultimately - your choice who you play with and the criteria you use.

Lots of high numbers of HIV diagnoses within Eastern European communities, especially Ukrainians. They're not all black or gay.

Perhaps we should all be putting our income on our profiles - for the record I will no longer have sex with anyone I consider to be any lower than upper middle class, for health reasons you see

Ha. Yes. So it's racism twice over.

I think you can *almost* spin it as not being racist if you don't want to fuck someone who is black/white etc due to 'preference'. But that 'preference' is racist.

Stating it on a profile is doubly so.

Plus rewaffirms perceptions of others tht the profile owner is probably racist too, whether they realise it or not.

When it's based on skin colour it's called racism.

I don't agree with these last point I'm afraid, I'm not going to be interested in meeting a 65 year old white guy but this doesn't make me racist or ageist, just not attracted to him!

If it's party based on skin colour it is. It's a prejudice.SO if he was black you might consider meeting him?

Ageism is a prejudice too.

Just some prejudices are more acceptable than others...!

Nope because I'm attracted to younger guys.

The difference here is does it matter if that person met someone who is old?

You know what prejudice means?

an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.

So if you don't want to shag someone based on a colour, it's based on a prejudice. This type of prejudice is called racism.

Would you have sex with a 80 year old bi guy? If not then you're clearly ageist and homophobic "

Nope. I'm straight.Interesting idea though. Me being straight is based on how I'm wired biologically/chemically(has nothing to do with thought, or so I'd like to think).

Am I inclined against wanting to shag men? Yes.

Does this make me homophobic?No(i have nothing against a human's sexuality if that is inclined to wanting to fuck the same gender).

Not wanting to shag men(in my case)is completely different to suggesting that I may therefore be homophobic.

But it's interesting, also, that I wouldn't shag anyone of the opposite gender(but not based on their sexuality, just my gender preference).

I'd be potentially attracted to a woman whatever her sexual predeliction, but not the same with a man.

Preferring is different to not in any circumstances, also.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

I think it is.

I know someone who did this at a club, he was chatting with a woman and I know he enjoys playing with her. But later when I asked him why he didn't take things further he said it was because she had fucked a black guy before he got talking to her.

I gave him my very best I am disgusted with you look and walked away shaking my head

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

Sounds racist to us...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

No, not racist at all; just pretty damn stupid, in my opinion. Although, it may also give the impression that the preference is borne out of hatred of some kind; preference by association!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

In answer to your quest OP and in light of the certain other factors...

No, I do not think it is racist. I concede it could be, however it is impossible to state categorically that people that do not play with other people of different ethnicities are racist. They are making a "choice",; what they are making that choice on is impossible to determine given the information presented, but its easier to label someone a "racist" than it is to say "they have their preferences based on experience; information that they have sought and whether, ultimately, they find that person attractive"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive. "

Look at the post by Queen of Tarts, for example. These people exist.

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

"The only problem with threads like this is they keep racism going ......just live and let live without stoking the fire

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exactly simply preserving it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?

In answer to your quest OP and in light of the certain other factors...

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

"The only problem with threads like this is they keep racism going ......just live and let live without stoking the fire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive. "

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

The ratio of std infection amongst certain ethnic groups is higher (on a ratio basis), if you have played with those ethnic groups he views you as a higher risk of potential infection (in an already high risk activity) and that this risk is unacceptable to him.

But again; it is far easier to brand the man a "racist" (and I am not saying you are) than to determine the reason for his choice.... He may feel intimidated (after all don't all black men have bigger cocks?), there could be one of a hundred reasons, yet, as usual, this forum will lend itself towards the popularist view and tarnish the man whose reputation as a "racist" becomes solidified.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow! There are some really uneducated people out there , it's crazy! And as for men claiming that they wouldn't sleep with black people or with a women that has! Put Beyoncé or Rihanna I front of them and watch them change their mind lol

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

Afraid we still think it is racist, but we are happy to sleep with people wha have slept with people who have beards, so we are quite liberal really!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow! There are some really uneducated people out there , it's crazy! And as for men claiming that they wouldn't sleep with black people or with a women that has! Put Beyoncé or Rihanna I front of them and watch them change their mind lol

dont forget minaj bro

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?

In answer to your quest OP and in light of the certain other factors...

Really? There are at least 3 women in the South West of England that I would have no contact with (should the opportunity ever occur), this is based on who they have met and the activities that they have undertaken (mainly BB sex, which I want no part of), I try to limit my exposure to STDs as much as humanly possible given the nature of my activity.

So I exclude others because of past contacts; I am making an informed choice based on the information I have, to make a calculation on potential risk, and removing that potential risk; their skin colour is of no interest to me; their sexual health and that of their previous partners is.

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over a year ago

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

Where is the evidence that certain ethnic groups pose a higher risk? What source do you get your "ratios" from?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

I don't understand the race thing...I got told off for calling spurs fans yids....then at the game they chant yid army yid army etc etc what is the race card then???/

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The only problem with threads like this is they keep racism going ......just live and let live without stoking the fire

exactly simply preserving it x"

How is ignoring it and not addressing it the better option?

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

I wouldn't fuck anyone who's fat&out of shape simply because of that,it's what I choose whether black...white or any other,im not the least bothered who chooses not to fuck who for whatever reason x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only problem with threads like this is they keep racism going ......just live and let live without stoking the fire

exactly simply preserving it x

How is ignoring it and not addressing it the better option? "

look what you started

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

for the lack of an appropriate contribution i ll just say you got an amazing body OP...direct your interest my way and i ll show you a reason why shouldnt bother with people with such myopic views

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

Where is the evidence that certain ethnic groups pose a higher risk? What source do you get your "ratios" from?

Please see my previous quotes in this thread. The information comes from the GUM statistics (2009) and is based upon the census data of 2011 (ethnic); the information extrapolated gives the following (repeated here in pure numbers)

158,339 infections (white) from a population of 54,153,898 (white) - a ratio of 1:342

17,058 infections (black) from a population of 1,148,738 (black) - a ratio of 1:67

Again, I am not stating an opinion on this, these are the figures from government offices. There will be many holes in the data; I do not know for example, whether the infection figures constitute a single person, or a person with multiple infections (note the figures cover 5 STDs), nor am I naive enough to believe that everyone with an STD, either knows they have one, or have been to a GUM clinic, they are simply the figures available..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I wouldn't fuck anyone who's fat&out of shape simply because of that,it's what I choose whether black...white or any other,im not the least bothered who chooses not to fuck who for whatever reason x"

For someone who thinks this thread is contributing to racism, you sure are commenting a lot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont forget minaj bro "
. Haha yea and Minaj!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

It could be considered as racism if the excuse they are not meeting you was the fact you have met black people, but at the end of the day it is all personal choice.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"

Some preferences can be racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont forget minaj bro . Haha yea and Minaj! "

So long has they dont sing

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By *llebWoman
over a year ago

Poulton Le Fylde

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some people actually do that. if they've fucked someone they don't consider attractive then they go off them (i've done it myself and thought the guy was desperate). this adds a new twist to the OP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont forget minaj bro . Haha yea and Minaj! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our black bi lady friend will not even consider people that have had sex with a black man, hence why we are just friends as we do

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over a year ago

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

The Polish man who asked if I had ever had sex with a black man,because he wouldn't have sex with women who did,worked in the sex industry. He wasn't concerned about health risks,he hated black men.

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By *uperock99Man
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"To not fuck someone because they have fucked black people? Or is it personal choice/preference of who you do or don't find attractive?"
I think that some people won't fuck people that have been with black people because they think they have no standards and only fuck them cause of the BBC stereo types which makes them cheap in their eyes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Our black bi lady friend will not even consider people that have had sex with a black man, hence why we are just friends as we do"

Black people can be racist too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

Where is the evidence that certain ethnic groups pose a higher risk? What source do you get your "ratios" from?

158,339 infections (white) from a population of 54,153,898 (white) - a ratio of 1:342

17,058 infections (black) from a population of 1,148,738 (black) - a ratio of 1:67

im not gonna argue with someone making an educated risk assessment based on facts

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

Only the person expressing that statement could really answer , everything else is pure conjecture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't it strange that while not going with the flow, and adhering to people having a right to a choice that is counter to the forums judgement, I am blocked, branded a racist and once again vilified....

At no point have I stated a personal opinion on the figures presented, yet by presenting them and stating quite simply "SOME people will make a risk judgement, based on information freely available".

Obviously 10 years working in the poorest parts of the world and trying to improve people lives through advocating freedom of speech, education and choice has been wasted, when those values that I hold so profoundly human and necessary are limited in the country of my birth....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Only the person expressing that statement could really answer , everything else is pure conjecture.

I'm sure it's not just one person who shares that sentiment, so others can answer too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Isn't it strange that while not going with the flow, and adhering to people having a right to a choice that is counter to the forums judgement, I am blocked, branded a racist and once again vilified....

At no point have I stated a personal opinion on the figures presented, yet by presenting them and stating quite simply "SOME people will make a risk judgement, based on information freely available".

Perhaps don't take it personally, it's just an online forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Our black bi lady friend will not even consider people that have had sex with a black man, hence why we are just friends as we do

Black people can be racist too. "
. That's wierd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

Where is the evidence that certain ethnic groups pose a higher risk? What source do you get your "ratios" from?

158,339 infections (white) from a population of 54,153,898 (white) - a ratio of 1:342

17,058 infections (black) from a population of 1,148,738 (black) - a ratio of 1:67

Sorry apart from the fact they're 5 years old I still don't rate ratios. Plenty of people don't put ethnic group on forms. A veiled attempt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At no point have I stated a personal opinion on the figures presented, yet by presenting them and stating quite simply "SOME people will make a risk judgement, based on information freely available".

Perhaps don't take it personally, it's just an online forum. "

Perhaps I didn't until a PM flew at me..... Perhaps, by merely presenting something counter to the forum faithful, I am to be held as the whipping boy of the day; branded a racist and once again ostracised. There is no healthy, rationale debate here,.

OP yes, you are right, what a racist cunt that person is for having preferences based upon what we all perceive; how dare they.

And the world turns...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Our black bi lady friend will not even consider people that have had sex with a black man, hence why we are just friends as we do

Black people can be racist too. "

So she is racist against her family ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish I could say I'm suprised at the hypocrisy of some people.

But I can't because unfortunately I'm not.

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

"Our black bi lady friend will not even consider people that have had sex with a black man, hence why we are just friends as we do

Black people can be racist too.

So she is racist against her family ?

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yes they can....you can count them all on one hand x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Our black bi lady friend will not even consider people that have had sex with a black man, hence why we are just friends as we do

Black people can be racist too.

So she is racist against her family ?

I dunno, but black-black racism exists. Look into implicit bias.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being mixed race i don't think it's a big deal if someone doesn't find black people attractive or not ? I'm sure it's not going to worry black prove as a whole that some guy/woman doesn't want to sleep with them it's a childish argument the kind of thing you see in the playground it's actually quite amusing that people are so wound up by it haha

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

""Our black bi lady friend will not even consider people that have had sex with a black man, hence why we are just friends as we do

Black people can be racist too.

So she is racist against her family ?

yes they can....you can count them all on one hand x

I dunno about that, seems naive to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok guys take 5

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Being mixed race i don't think it's a big deal if someone doesn't find black people attractive or not ? I'm sure it's not going to worry black prove as a whole that some guy/woman doesn't want to sleep with them it's a childish argument the kind of thing you see in the playground it's actually quite amusing that people are so wound up by it haha"

I don't see how racism is funny.

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over a year ago

"It's highly unlikely that a man will refuse to have sex with me because I have sex with black men,because he doesn't find black men attractive.

But it is highly likely that one of the following may be a reason;

Where is the evidence that certain ethnic groups pose a higher risk? What source do you get your "ratios" from?

158,339 infections (white) from a population of 54,153,898 (white) - a ratio of 1:342

17,058 infections (black) from a population of 1,148,738 (black) - a ratio of 1:67

Sorry apart from the fact they're 5 years old I still don't rate ratios. Plenty of people don't put ethnic group on forms. A veiled attempt.

a veiled attempt at what? If "many people" do not put their ethnicity down on a census form (sorry the 2021 ones aren't out yet) isn't that equally true of white people and black people, surely even the most ardent fan of wanting to cast me as a racist can see that works both ways. The GUM stats are a snapshot in time; a given time, people tend to base their opinions on data that they have experienced in their life time, I apologise for not presenting the 2021 census, but perhaps I can find the GUM stats of a different era? Would it change the ratio? more than likely, but by how much?

If there is a veiled attempt here, it is to brand me a racist for contributing a counter-argument to everyone is a racist if they don't sleep with people that have slept with other people from an ethnic group they perceive as a risk....

Sometimes, just sometimes, I know I shouldn't post, but I will be damned if the freedom to express choice; for whatever reason, should be vilified on a "supposed" understanding of the person exercising that choice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Perhaps I didn't until a PM flew at me..... Perhaps, by merely presenting something counter to the forum faithful, I am to be held as the whipping boy of the day; branded a racist and once again ostracised. There is no healthy, rationale debate here,.

OP yes, you are right, what a racist cunt that person is for having preferences based upon what we all perceive; how dare they.

And the world turns..."

I think your attitude is the problem here and not your posts. Perhaps people just don't like being spoken to like shit by you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think someone is racist for presenting data on STD rates for different groups of people. I stated earlier information that supported the GUM clinic stats from the CDC. Who really cares if someone finds you racist for quoting those facts?

Anyway, I still posit that while those different STD rates do exist they are *usually* not the reason for such statements as described in the OP. To ignore that and attribute all such sentiments to rational choice is, I think, ignoring reality.

(closed, thread got too big)

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