FabSwingers.com forum: Are you a feminist?

By *ovepiece OP Man
over a year ago

Borth

I'm curious as to how many men on here would identify strongly as being a feminist, ie recognising that there are inequalities in the way that women are treated AND acting positively for change in a bid for gender parity? For the record I DO consider myself a feminist. I think the cause for gender equality absolutely requires men to stand up and act as role models to young boys in order to change attitudes, language and behaviours. There have been some really inspiring words on the issue over recent months from Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau. Well worth looking up.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Yes - but then I had it beaten in to me by my mum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJ3APcrcnQ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. I'm an equalisist.

I also believe in meritocracy.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

"Yes - but then I had it beaten in to me by my mum

You have a good mum!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"No. I'm an equalisist.

I also believe in meritocracy.

In that case, ensuring equality of opportunity (is that what you mean?) requires a rebalancing of the playing field.

As it does in many other areas that favour white males from wealthier backgrounds...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"No. I'm an equalisist.

I also believe in meritocracy.

You are hardly going to achieve true meritocracy when you are eye deep in patriarchy.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Yes - but then I had it beaten in to me by my mum

You have a good mum!"

I remember my mum asking my dad for help folding the laundry and he replied - and it was never established whether or not he was joking - "That's woman's work."

She didn't talk to him for a fortnight lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

#trigglypuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did I read that feminism is supposed to be about getting gender equality, in both directions?

There are some situations where women definitely do better than men.

Where's Wasphunter when you need her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did I read that feminism is supposed to be about getting gender equality, in both directions?

There are some situations where women definitely do better than men.

Where's Wasphunter when you need her?

(By do better, I mean that women are favoured over men.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff "
don't forget aids skrillex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes , I totally believe in equal rights for all . I have been on marches and part of union negotiation teams .

I still will give up my seat for a lady and hold the door open

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did I read that feminism is supposed to be about getting gender equality, in both directions?

There are some situations where women definitely do better than men.

Where's Wasphunter when you need her?

Yeah like the gender pay gap.

Under 30 women earn on average more than men.

And then theres dying at work with men making up around 95% of deaths.

I demand equal rights for women to die at work, stop this patriarchal nonsense!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"#trigglypuff "

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. I'm an equalisist.

I also believe in meritocracy.

You are hardly going to achieve true meritocracy when you are eye deep in patriarchy."

Im not 'eye deep in patriarchy'.

No idea where you get that notion from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?"

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in equality which by default means I have many opinions consistent with feminism,

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

"Yes - but then I had it beaten in to me by my mum

You have a good mum!

I remember my mum asking my dad for help folding the laundry and he replied - and it was never established whether or not he was joking - "That's woman's work."

She didn't talk to him for a fortnight lol"

Was that a good thing for him or not?

I remember when my daughter was little,she'd only been with us a few months (adopted) and she was sat watching the telly with her sister and dad. I was doing some clearing up and asked everyone why I was the only one doing it when they were sat relaxing,to which she replied in all seriousness because that's what mum's do! Lesson number one to said child was to never say that to mum ever again,telly turned off and jobs were given out to everyone much to my 3 1/2 year old disgust

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously. "

And if you were to mock the football team bottom of the league some sound take that kore aeriously too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously.

And if you were to mock the football team bottom of the league some sound take that kore aeriously too."

When a football team's ranking affects humanity, you'll have a point.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

I think you are being unfair. She is obviously an extreme example and has issues.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

I loved Roald Dahl's take on Little Red Riding Hood. Gigglesome.

Passion of New Eve by Carter was interesting too, but in psychosexual surreal ways.

Wasn't impressed by some of the stuff I vaguely remember Dworkin was coming out with though. But hey, if it helped to further readdress the imbalance, then it's cool with me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

Show us yer tits......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously.

And if you were to mock the football team bottom of the league some sound take that kore aeriously too.

When a football team's ranking affects humanity, you'll have a point. "

Seriosuly?

You want to rethink that statement given the world wide significance of football.

Hubdreds of billions spent on it, tens of thousands of deaths over the years directly and indirectly.

Corruption, slave labour, sweat shops, torture, executions.

Some of the things that have happened in relation to football.

Way more important than some idiot ranting on tumblr about "manspreading"

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

i like the idea of being one but i'll have to ask my wife for permission first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

I think you are being unfair. She is obviously an extreme example and has issues.

How rude of you to judge her so cruley.

Anyone who acts out of the ordinary must have mental issues now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously.

And if you were to mock the football team bottom of the league some sound take that kore aeriously too.

When a football team's ranking affects humanity, you'll have a point.

Seriosuly?

You want to rethink that statement given the world wide significance of football.

Hubdreds of billions spent on it, tens of thousands of deaths over the years directly and indirectly.

Corruption, slave labour, sweat shops, torture, executions.

Some of the things that have happened in relation to football.

Way more important than some idiot ranting on tumblr about "manspreading" "

Yeh I'm pretty sure feminism is a greater subject than "manspreading". You just lack knowledge on the importance of the issue, it's why you think a football team ranking lowly is more damaging to humanity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

Show us yer tits......"

Show me yours first. I'm a lesbian, remember.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously.

And if you were to mock the football team bottom of the league some sound take that kore aeriously too.

When a football team's ranking affects humanity, you'll have a point.

Seriosuly?

You want to rethink that statement given the world wide significance of football.

Hubdreds of billions spent on it, tens of thousands of deaths over the years directly and indirectly.

Corruption, slave labour, sweat shops, torture, executions.

Some of the things that have happened in relation to football.

Way more important than some idiot ranting on tumblr about "manspreading"

Well thirdwave feminists seem to have forgotten the rest of thw world and instead is focused on such retarded ideals as "herstory".

I've never seen a feminist in the last decade campaign for any real change of any significance only the utterly petty waste of space stuff.

But to be fair that can be applied to nearly all student activism

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

I think you are being unfair. She is obviously an extreme example and has issues.

How rude of you to judge her so cruley.

Anyone who acts out of the ordinary must have mental issues now."

Faux Pas Foxy .... you put in the word mental.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

Show us yer tits......

Show me yours first. I'm a lesbian, remember."

Yeah ...... but I asked first.

You fuckin' tease.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

Show us yer tits......

Show me yours first. I'm a lesbian, remember.

Yeah ...... but I asked first.

You fuckin' tease."

They're out in my profile pics. Possibly a bit hairier than your average lesbians

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously.

And if you were to mock the football team bottom of the league some sound take that kore aeriously too.

When a football team's ranking affects humanity, you'll have a point.

Seriosuly?

You want to rethink that statement given the world wide significance of football.

Hubdreds of billions spent on it, tens of thousands of deaths over the years directly and indirectly.

Corruption, slave labour, sweat shops, torture, executions.

Some of the things that have happened in relation to football.

Way more important than some idiot ranting on tumblr about "manspreading"

Well thirdwave feminists seem to have forgotten the rest of thw world and instead is focused on such retarded ideals as "herstory".

I've never seen a feminist in the last decade campaign for any real change of any significance only the utterly petty waste of space stuff.

But to be fair that can be applied to nearly all student activism

Yeh your understanding of feminism is somewhat lacking if it's solely learned from YouTube videos. Perhaps look into gender imbalances instead of making silly statements.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

Show us yer tits......

Show me yours first. I'm a lesbian, remember.

Yeah ...... but I asked first.

You fuckin' tease.

They're out in my profile pics. Possibly a bit hairier than your average lesbians

they look more like chesticles tbf

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

In response to the OP. Yes I am a feminist.

To address a more general point about men being feminists: feminism does not equal misandry.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I wouldn't call myself a feminist. I dislike labels. I'm just in favour of equal Opportunities regardless of gender, colour, religion, nationality etc. Feminism has done a lot of good, unfortunately there are times where some have crossed into misandry

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

Show us yer tits......

Show me yours first. I'm a lesbian, remember.

Yeah ...... but I asked first.

You fuckin' tease.

They're out in my profile pics. Possibly a bit hairier than your average lesbians

You win. They're bigger n mine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How can a man be a feminist? Never heard anything so stupid in my life.

I am, however, a lesbian

Show us yer tits......

Show me yours first. I'm a lesbian, remember.

Yeah ...... but I asked first.

You fuckin' tease.

They're out in my profile pics. Possibly a bit hairier than your average lesbians

You win. They're bigger n mine."

I can only take your word for that

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

You wouldn't call a small titted old woman a liar would you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The more I think about it, I don't see how I can be, I used to think I was a feminist, but for me to be a feminist surely I would have to have an understanding of what it's like to be a female.

It's like a white man trying to understand what it's like to be black, so I'll just say no to being a feminist, but yes to being "gender respectful "

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By *ovepiece OP Man
over a year ago

Borth

"In response to the OP. Yes I am a feminist.

To address a more general point about men being feminists: feminism does not equal misandry."

A heartening and intelligent response!

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

"Did I read that feminism is supposed to be about getting gender equality, in both directions?

There are some situations where women definitely do better than men.

Yes quite simply that's all feminism is. Equality. Alas there's too much angry man hating shit that gets muddled up with feminism as a movement.

Porn is one of the few jobs where women are paid more than men. Go figure

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By *ovepiece OP Man
over a year ago

Borth

"I wouldn't call myself a feminist. I dislike labels. I'm just in favour of equal Opportunities regardless of gender, colour, religion, nationality etc. Feminism has done a lot of good, unfortunately there are times where some have crossed into misandry "

You have a point, I think. On the question of 'labels' I heard someone talking about feminism on the radio recently who said they don't see the point in the term 'feminist' and that 'non-sexist' suffices, for them, at least. I think the term 'feminist' can be reclaimed to lose the connotation of misandry, but this needs men to be vocal about their support (in my opinion obvs).

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

why would i choose to fight against one set of dichotomies and purposefully ignore all the other dichotomies ..... i'm happier being an egalitarian thanks very much

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why would i choose to fight against one set of dichotomies and purposefully ignore all the other dichotomies ..... i'm happier being an egalitarian thanks very much"

I don't know what two of those words mean, so I'm going to have to ask

Did you just call me a bastard?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"why would i choose to fight against one set of dichotomies and purposefully ignore all the other dichotomies ..... i'm happier being an egalitarian thanks very much

I don't know what two of those words mean, so I'm going to have to ask

Did you just call me a bastard?

it means i think your hat suits you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"why would i choose to fight against one set of dichotomies and purposefully ignore all the other dichotomies ..... i'm happier being an egalitarian thanks very much

I don't know what two of those words mean, so I'm going to have to ask

Did you just call me a bastard?

it means i think your hat suits you "

Oh, as you were

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By *ovepiece OP Man
over a year ago

Borth

"The more I think about it, I don't see how I can be, I used to think I was a feminist, but for me to be a feminist surely I would have to have an understanding of what it's like to be a female.

It's like a white man trying to understand what it's like to be black, so I'll just say no to being a feminist, but yes to being "gender respectful ""

I can see why you'd feel that way. I think men can definitely have a good understanding of what it's like to be female simply by opening up and listening. Sure, (gender-reassignment aside), men can't totally get it, but we can certainly be open to understanding (as I'm sure you are). I like 'gender respectful', that's nice. There are some great examples of what it's like to be a girl/woman on the receiving end of sexism here: everydaysexism.com

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Its a wonder females survived the way they have been treated through the ages. And, history is exactly that " his story " rarely do we hear about lives frim the female viewpoint in history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a wonder females survived the way they have been treated through the ages. And, history is exactly that " his story " rarely do we hear about lives frim the female viewpoint in history."

Only if you chose not to.

There are lots of history book and biographies and accounts of womens life and rolls in history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women have natural differences to men, in general I think we've mostly done the right things over the years!.

And no I'm not a feminist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The more I think about it, I don't see how I can be, I used to think I was a feminist, but for me to be a feminist surely I would have to have an understanding of what it's like to be a female.

It's like a white man trying to understand what it's like to be black, so I'll just say no to being a feminist, but yes to being "gender respectful ""

If you mention cultural appropriation next in gonna have to beat you with an organic ethically farmed cane

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The more I think about it, I don't see how I can be, I used to think I was a feminist, but for me to be a feminist surely I would have to have an understanding of what it's like to be a female.

It's like a white man trying to understand what it's like to be black, so I'll just say no to being a feminist, but yes to being "gender respectful "

If you mention cultural appropriation next in gonna have to beat you with an organic ethically farmed cane"
.

I mean how can anyone be a vegetarian... They've no idea what it's like to be a turnip!.

Oh wait no I take that back

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place

Yes

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"In response to the OP. Yes I am a feminist.

To address a more general point about men being feminists: feminism does not equal misandry.

A heartening and intelligent response!"

All of our responses are intelligent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's sad people take the piss when there's clearly a gender imbalance worldwide. I'm sure if we were to mock certain mental health issues, some would take that much more seriously.

And if you were to mock the football team bottom of the league some sound take that kore aeriously too.

When a football team's ranking affects humanity, you'll have a point.

Seriosuly?

You want to rethink that statement given the world wide significance of football.

Hubdreds of billions spent on it, tens of thousands of deaths over the years directly and indirectly.

Corruption, slave labour, sweat shops, torture, executions.

Some of the things that have happened in relation to football.

Way more important than some idiot ranting on tumblr about "manspreading"

Well thirdwave feminists seem to have forgotten the rest of thw world and instead is focused on such retarded ideals as "herstory".

I've never seen a feminist in the last decade campaign for any real change of any significance only the utterly petty waste of space stuff.

But to be fair that can be applied to nearly all student activism

Yeh your understanding of feminism is somewhat lacking if it's solely learned from YouTube videos. Perhaps look into gender imbalances instead of making silly statements. "

Youtube video?

No its from the actual people holding the placards and doing the speeches when i was at uni.

Maybe you should try attending some of these events.

Although the level of comedy doesnt come close to when tbe muslim and jewish student groups started laying into each other when the university was given a tree as a gift from a Palestinian university.

That was just fantastic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

I think you are being unfair. She is obviously an extreme example and has issues.

How rude of you to judge her so cruley.

Anyone who acts out of the ordinary must have mental issues now.

Faux Pas Foxy .... you put in the word mental. "

My apologies what issues do you think the young lady has?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

What does a Pokémon have to do with it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The more I think about it, I don't see how I can be, I used to think I was a feminist, but for me to be a feminist surely I would have to have an understanding of what it's like to be a female.

It's like a white man trying to understand what it's like to be black, so I'll just say no to being a feminist, but yes to being "gender respectful "

If you mention cultural appropriation next in gonna have to beat you with an organic ethically farmed cane"

I have no idea what it's like to be a white man, and I have no idea what it's like to be a turnip either, but I might take a white man and a turnip to a pub and buy a couple of rounds of drinks, and try to understand.

Mind you I doubt the turnip will get a round in, my local doesn't serve food

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

What does a Pokémon have to do with it? "

You're thinking of jigglypuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

What does a Pokémon have to do with it? "

Google it :p

Personally i like the point where yoh can actually see her tucker her self out and have to take a break

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice "

What? Horse riding and all that guff?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

What does a Pokémon have to do with it?

You're thinking of jigglypuff "

Oh yea,my mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

"
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No no no no no no..... No!.

There's the frumpy young bint who's just joined university as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice "

That term just reminds me of the Fruitarian in Notting Hill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice "

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue.

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over a year ago

"#trigglypuff

Serious Q......

Why have you brought trigglypuff into the thread ?

Because she so aptly sums up third wave feminism.

What does a Pokémon have to do with it?

Google it :p

Personally i like the point where yoh can actually see her tucker her self out and have to take a break"

I couldn't understand what she was saying.

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue."

It's just a word. Why does it even matter what it is, the definition doesn't change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are equalitarians the same as egalitarians?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue."

is there only one issue then? maybe the other are down the back of the sofa

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue."

Yes Trixie it does. Now don't go worrying your pretty head about it now will you. We don't want you getting the vapours.

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue.

It's just a word. Why does it even matter what it is, the definition doesn't change. "

But the views associated with it have, and not in positive way that is helpful.

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue.

It's just a word. Why does it even matter what it is, the definition doesn't change.

But the views associated with it have, and not in positive way that is helpful."

But some people say left wing is bad or right wing is bad, it doesn't mean rebranding the word/phrase is the solution.

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By *ipswingCouple
over a year ago

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no ... we are both human beings ..doing our best to be free...

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue.

It's just a word. Why does it even matter what it is, the definition doesn't change.

But the views associated with it have, and not in positive way that is helpful.

But some people say left wing is bad or right wing is bad, it doesn't mean rebranding the word/phrase is the solution."

Most people have no idea what they mean when they say right or left wing though these days.

Just as a group of people if they think the Nazis where right or left wing.

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue.

It's just a word. Why does it even matter what it is, the definition doesn't change.

But the views associated with it have, and not in positive way that is helpful.

But some people say left wing is bad or right wing is bad, it doesn't mean rebranding the word/phrase is the solution.

Most people have no idea what they mean when they say right or left wing though these days.

Just as a group of people if they think the Nazis where right or left wing.

But you dismissed, and took the piss out of, feminism because of one person?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes - but then I had it beaten in to me by my mum

You have a good mum!

I remember my mum asking my dad for help folding the laundry and he replied - and it was never established whether or not he was joking - "That's woman's work."

She didn't talk to him for a fortnight lol"

if he was my husband he,d be wearing unwashed unlaundered clothes from that day. he,d soon get the message

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue.

It's just a word. Why does it even matter what it is, the definition doesn't change.

But the views associated with it have, and not in positive way that is helpful.

But some people say left wing is bad or right wing is bad, it doesn't mean rebranding the word/phrase is the solution."
Its not rebranding though is it? I thought they're different ideologies/ movements or however you describe them

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Is that haggard men, hating lesbians

or haggard, men hating, lesbians

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Me too. Equalitarians sounds nice

I know what you mean and kind of agree - modern Feminism has been hijacked and abused.

But the thing with calling it Feminism over anything else (such as Equalitarians) is that it brings the most disadvantaged party to the forefront of the issue.

It's just a word. Why does it even matter what it is, the definition doesn't change.

But the views associated with it have, and not in positive way that is helpful.

But some people say left wing is bad or right wing is bad, it doesn't mean rebranding the word/phrase is the solution.

Most people have no idea what they mean when they say right or left wing though these days.

Just as a group of people if they think the Nazis where right or left wing.

But you dismissed, and took the piss out of, feminism because of one person?"

No i didnt read up (after you thought i got it from youtube videos)

I dissmised thirdwave feminism after attending rallys and speeches and conferences on it and found it to be vapid and pointless.

Although from what ive seen its descended even more into a farce now as its no pongerbreally feminism its just bundled up into the whole gaumut of "offendedness"

I must admit though the NUS removing the gay male representatives from the LGBT was something i found offensive.

Especialy with thenreasoning that gay men dont face opression so dont need representation.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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ponger ? many a true word .... chortle my latest intelligent response.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm bisexual...I don't discriminate either way.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"I'm bisexual...I don't discriminate either way."

Christ..........

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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I fuck it therefore I can't discriminate against it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm curious as to how many men on here would identify strongly as being a feminist, ie recognising that there are inequalities in the way that women are treated AND acting positively for change in a bid for gender parity? For the record I DO consider myself a feminist. I think the cause for gender equality absolutely requires men to stand up and act as role models to young boys in order to change attitudes, language and behaviours. There have been some really inspiring words on the issue over recent months from Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau. Well worth looking up."

I am not in favour of feminism.

I am in favour of humans being nice and respectful to each other regardless of their differences.

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over a year ago

"I very much dislike the word feminist. I don't think it has a universal meaning anymore. It just conjures up thoughts of haggard men hating lesbians.

Is that haggard men, hating lesbians

or haggard, men hating, lesbians

The ones wearing the boots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saw this great interview with a feminist from the 50's; she was asked about modern feminism and her reply.

It's all pussy!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok , this is clearly a very important question , so let me think for a moment .

Am I a feminist ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just asked Sabrina if she is a feminist .

Her answer was no way .

So that's two no' s from us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights. "

its pathetic innit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To answer the original question the forum post asked, no.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights. "

Oh well , that's life

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over a year ago

"Saw this great interview with a feminist from the 50's; she was asked about modern feminism and her reply.

It's all pussy!! "

Old feminists smashed through the glass ceiling.

New ones write a blog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a wonder females survived the way they have been treated through the ages. And, history is exactly that " his story " rarely do we hear about lives frim the female viewpoint in history.

Only if you chose not to.

There are lots of history book and biographies and accounts of womens life and rolls in history.

The difference is that basic education does not make a point about teaching them. Then lets look at the media, films, TV, magazines and music along with music videos are the main ways in which people form instinctive reactions based on gender, along with race and religion. The fac is that most of these forms of media show women as subordinate to men in some way. They are either driven by hormones which cloud their judgement, make poor decisions, are bitchy, slutty, manipulative or they are there just for 'eye candy'.

You really only get strong female characters which challenge this in books, plays and specific TV shows in which the writers/authors/directors decided to challenge the narrative.

The fact is most of us were taught that history is mainly the story of men leading nations, we rarely touch on women in power, females doing something which breaks the mould.

If you want a good example google Mary Seacole. Shockingly very few people know of her or her story considering how unique it was an what she did.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Shouldn't be the case though. Your comments make you appear callous, lacking insight and a bit archaic. I'm sure you don't honestly believe there should be a gender imbalance, it all seems a bit like a teenager's attempt at shock.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

yes but if you think about it shes right eh,that all feminism is about

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights. "

Yes, it's more than a shame! I just don't get that at all, I can't understand why blokes still like to treat women as somehow inferior.

There was a picture on FB a while back, it showed a man and woman walking along a pavement next to a busy road, the woman was on the road side of the pavement. The caption was something along the lines of "If you can't see anything wrong with this picture then you're not a real gentleman" ...My thought is that there's nothing wrong with that picture at all as long as you don't want to turn the clock back to the Victorian era!

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

I adore my husband who makes me feel special , and I certainly don't believe in making a song and dance about equal this and equal that . He earns loads more than me and deserves it , and I love the fact that we are never short .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

that's fantastic,,but your clearly missing the point

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By *xplorecpl25Couple
over a year ago

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"The more I think about it, I don't see how I can be, I used to think I was a feminist, but for me to be a feminist surely I would have to have an understanding of what it's like to be a female.

It's like a white man trying to understand what it's like to be black, so I'll just say no to being a feminist, but yes to being "gender respectful ""

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

You have the right to earn more though. You saying let's not make a song and dance about it completely undermines countries where women are forced into marriage, or where they can't drive, or where they can't vote, or where they can't do the majority of what men can do.

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Saw this great interview with a feminist from the 50's; she was asked about modern feminism and her reply.

It's all pussy!!

Old feminists smashed through the glass ceiling.

New ones write a blog. "

Agree! Most modern feminist look for sensation instead of really challenging people's ideas; lack of imagination really.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

that's fantastic,,but your clearly missing the point"

Oh , sorry ....

But then. I'm just a woman

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

that's fantastic,,but your clearly missing the point

Oh , sorry ....

But then. I'm just a woman

Your selfish view has nothing to do with your gender, just your lack of compassion.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint. "

How does someone's personal opinion in Gloucs undermine something in another country?

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

that's fantastic,,but your clearly missing the point

Oh , sorry ....

But then. I'm just a woman

yet you don't believe in equality of the genders

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How does someone's personal opinion in Gloucs undermine something in another country?

Her saying she doesn't care undermines someone else's struggles. Location doesn't matter. It doesn't take much to believe others should have rights.

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How does someone's personal opinion in Gloucs undermine something in another country?

Her saying she doesn't care undermines someone else's struggles. Location doesn't matter. It doesn't take much to believe others should have rights. "

Literally undermines?

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint. "

Oh well so sorry for not looking at the subject from any other stance than my own .

In my defence , my life is plenty full enough to add loads more shit about what happens in other countries .

To call my point of view silly and infantile is unnecessary and unpleasant , and perhaps if that's what feminism entails , then I'm glad I'm not a feminist

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"Saw this great interview with a feminist from the 50's; she was asked about modern feminism and her reply.

It's all pussy!!

Old feminists smashed through the glass ceiling.

New ones write a blog.

Agree! Most modern feminist look for sensation instead of really challenging people's ideas; lack of imagination really.

Most feminists ?

Which feminists ? Without Googling..... which feminists ....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

Oh well so sorry for not looking at the subject from any other stance than my own .

In my defence , my life is plenty full enough to add loads more shit about what happens in other countries .

To call my point of view silly and infantile is unnecessary and unpleasant , and perhaps if that's what feminism entails , then I'm glad I'm not a feminist

Sabrina,

If your man hauled coal sacks all day and I hauled the same amount. Should I be paid less ?

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

Oh well so sorry for not looking at the subject from any other stance than my own .

In my defence , my life is plenty full enough to add loads more shit about what happens in other countries .

To call my point of view silly and infantile is unnecessary and unpleasant , and perhaps if that's what feminism entails , then I'm glad I'm not a feminist

Don't worry. I still think you're entitled to your silly opinions, it's just a shame you don't believe other women should have that right too. (I also don't see how having the same view can burden you so greatly, then again, I'm not sure how full your life actually is).

As long as you're alright, eh?

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

Now that makes sense , and I do understand what you're saying Granny .

I don't condone the mistreatment of women at all , nor do I think it's right to discriminate against women .

I just don't choose to get involved in it all , as I am very happy with my life , so my interpretation of the question means I am not a feminist as I would never attend a rally or sign a petition about it .

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

Now that makes sense , and I do understand what you're saying Granny .

I don't condone the mistreatment of women at all , nor do I think it's right to discriminate against women .

Oh, so you just don't know what you're talking about yet gave an opinion anyway. Excellent.

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By *ovepiece OP Man
over a year ago

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I am not in favour of feminism.

I am in favour of humans being nice and respectful to each other regardless of their differences. "

Yes, I suspect that most decent people would agree about being nice and respectful to each other regardless of their differences. I guess the point is that sexism and gender inequality are still very much alive; which is why I feel that the movement we call 'feminism' is an important means to the desired goal (of 'nice and respectful').

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over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

Oh well so sorry for not looking at the subject from any other stance than my own .

In my defence , my life is plenty full enough to add loads more shit about what happens in other countries .

To call my point of view silly and infantile is unnecessary and unpleasant , and perhaps if that's what feminism entails , then I'm glad I'm not a feminist

Sabrina,

If your man hauled coal sacks all day and I hauled the same amount. Should I be paid less ?"

Only if he owned the coal mine Granny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

Now that makes sense , and I do understand what you're saying Granny .

I don't condone the mistreatment of women at all , nor do I think it's right to discriminate against women .

Oh, so you just don't know what you're talking about yet gave an opinion anyway. Excellent. "

I would guess from your responses that you are a feminist .

And since you clearly have an issue with me , which isn't very nice , I am very happy to have a different stance to you .

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

Now that makes sense , and I do understand what you're saying Granny .

I don't condone the mistreatment of women at all , nor do I think it's right to discriminate against women .

I would say that you are ( as we are what we think ) but you are not an active feminist.

See.... if you are sub to your man then that is that and there is no need to fight that.

I just ask that if he does eight hours and I do eight hours that I get the same pay as he does.

And if I want to work cos he has a lower paid job than me then society allows that too.

I ask that if have the right qualifications and a man does too then I don't lose the interview because I am a woman but that other evidence exists to show that he was the better candidate.

It's okay to not be the boss Sabrina x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

Now that makes sense , and I do understand what you're saying Granny .

I don't condone the mistreatment of women at all , nor do I think it's right to discriminate against women .

Oh, so you just don't know what you're talking about yet gave an opinion anyway. Excellent.

I would guess from your responses that you are a feminist .

And since you clearly have an issue with me , which isn't very nice , I am very happy to have a different stance to you .

Yes, I believe everyone should have equal rights. It's a shame you don't value that, and it's not something I'd be so proud of myself. Then again, I'm not sure I'm as insular as you. At least you have the option of changing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint. "

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

Now that makes sense , and I do understand what you're saying Granny .

I don't condone the mistreatment of women at all , nor do I think it's right to discriminate against women .

Oh, so you just don't know what you're talking about yet gave an opinion anyway. Excellent.

I would guess from your responses that you are a feminist .

And since you clearly have an issue with me , which isn't very nice , I am very happy to have a different stance to you .

Your condescending attitude isn't likely to have me rushing to change .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle... "

I don't understand your first point, I didn't say women should earn more than men - perhaps you misread. Your second seems to be just an ongoing issue which you chose to not explain before, so I won't ask again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

Sabrina, ( this is Granny )

Feminsim doesn't demand that you do anything to change your life.

Feminism is about choice for women.

Your choice is not abhorrent to feminists. No one wants you to go against your nature or relationship and try to rule the world.

Feminism simply asks that you don't turn a blind eye to the blatant discrimination that exists based purely on gender.

It is possible to do that AND to continue to live your life as you see fit.

Feminsim is often misquoted and misrepresented.

Now that makes sense , and I do understand what you're saying Granny .

I don't condone the mistreatment of women at all , nor do I think it's right to discriminate against women .

Oh, so you just don't know what you're talking about yet gave an opinion anyway. Excellent.

I would guess from your responses that you are a feminist .

And since you clearly have an issue with me , which isn't very nice , I am very happy to have a different stance to you .

Your condescending attitude isn't likely to have me rushing to change .

I don't mind. As I said, I just think your views are a shame. I'm not holding out hope, don't worry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not in favour of feminism.

I am in favour of humans being nice and respectful to each other regardless of their differences.

I see where you are coming from. I just feel that we don't respond well to campaigns. Instead of feminism, anti-racism, anti-zionist ... We just need "respectful." It is much easier to understand and follow and causes less issues. And might lead to a better life balance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

You bitch at people and belittle their comments. All the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not in favour of feminism.

I am in favour of humans being nice and respectful to each other regardless of their differences.

I think the labels have lost their meaning. People don't know what they mean anymore. It's mostly just a joke, which makes it utterly worthless and undermines the whole point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

You bitch at people and belittle their comments. All the time. "

I'm still not sure what your point is, I didn't call anyone bitchy nor say they were belittling. Perhaps ignore me if I'm upsetting you, although I'm pretty sure I've never spoke to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not in favour of feminism.

I am in favour of humans being nice and respectful to each other regardless of their differences.

I think the labels have lost their meaning. People don't know what they mean anymore. It's mostly just a joke, which makes it utterly worthless and undermines the whole point. "

See above. Lots of in-fighting. There is nothing wrong with respect. Taking an extreme position can lead to extreme reactions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

You bitch at people and belittle their comments. All the time.

I'm still not sure what your point is, I didn't call anyone bitchy nor say they were belittling. Perhaps ignore me if I'm upsetting you, although I'm pretty sure I've never spoke to you. "

You don't upset me in the slightest.

I don't see what speaking to someone has to do with anything. Everyone can read your posts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

You bitch at people and belittle their comments. All the time.

I'm still not sure what your point is, I didn't call anyone bitchy nor say they were belittling. Perhaps ignore me if I'm upsetting you, although I'm pretty sure I've never spoke to you.

You don't upset me in the slightest.

I don't see what speaking to someone has to do with anything. Everyone can read your posts. "

Clearly not. I'm not sure why my interactions with other people is your business. Anyway, like I said - ignore me if I'm upsetting you so much that you have to keep on addressing me.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

Men proclaiming themselves feminist,always brings the cynic out in me.

I see it as a male chauvinist,

using terms of endearment to increase his chances of a shag.

Maybe it works,we all know how gullible women can be.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Men proclaiming themselves feminist,always brings the cynic out in me.

I see it as a male chauvinist,

using terms of endearment to increase his chances of a shag.

Maybe it works,we all know how gullible women can be.

Well give it a go ....

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By *ovepiece OP Man
over a year ago

Borth

Men proclaiming themselves feminist,always brings the cynic out in me.

I see it as a male chauvinist,

using terms of endearment to increase his chances of a shag.

Maybe it works,we all know how gullible women can be.

How differently we all see the world; as borne out by the many responses in this thread.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

Men proclaiming themselves feminist,always brings the cynic out in me.

I see it as a male chauvinist,

using terms of endearment to increase his chances of a shag.

Maybe it works,we all know how gullible women can be.

Well give it a go .... "

Your looking fantastic granny,

your intelligence leaves me in awe,

your wit is hilariously unquestionable.

Can I ask a question,

Shouldn't you be sucking my cock by now???

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

That got a bit unpleasant.

Equality of people means respecting different views too?

I think the term feminism is fine. It positions it in a specific site which applies to issues affecting half the world's population based on gender.

Yes it's an historical phrase, but this doesn't mean that it is archaic, or old fashioned, or much reduced in the significance of its denotation today. the fact it has such different connotations, and that people argue about what it means, means that it IS still relevent, and most importantly, meaningful to so many,regardless of what it 'means to them'.

Which is precisely the point. It's sucj a nebulous word with so many ways you can interpret and unpick what it means that it's very,very important still.And should continue to be so.

It's also unfortunate that some seem to think that their interpretation is THE interpretation and take not just umbrage(which is their prerogative), but attack others who interpret it differently. Each to their own. As long as it's a healthy discussion without getting personal.Distance leads to some semblance of objectivity on a subjective, er, subject.

Not that I can talk, seeing as I get wound up when the subject is politics I admit.

But still.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That got a bit unpleasant.

Equality of people means respecting different views too?

I think the term feminism is fine. It positions it in a specific site which applies to issues affecting half the world's population based on gender.

Which is precisely the point. It's sucj a nebulous word with so many ways you can interpret and unpick what it means that it's very,very important still.And should continue to be so.

Not that I can talk, seeing as I get wound up when the subject is politics I admit.

But still."

Sooo we should respect the views of neoNazis? Or the views of general racists? Or is it just people who don't believe genders should have equal rights that have to respect?

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

I didn't say that. I'm not sure anyone else on the thread did either?

Taking my comments out of context.

Slightly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't say that. I'm not sure anyone else on the thread did either?

Taking my comments out of context.

Slightly."

You've picked a few of the things I've said and claimed it's attacking users for differing views. I'm wondering where you draw your line in the sand.

I don't see why everyone's view should be respected if their view is abhorrent. Sometimes, views don't deserve respect.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"That got a bit unpleasant.

Equality of people means respecting different views too?

I think the term feminism is fine. It positions it in a specific site which applies to issues affecting half the world's population based on gender.

Which is precisely the point. It's sucj a nebulous word with so many ways you can interpret and unpick what it means that it's very,very important still.And should continue to be so.

Not that I can talk, seeing as I get wound up when the subject is politics I admit.

But still.

Sooo we should respect the views of neoNazis? Or the views of general racists? Or is it just people who don't believe genders should have equal rights that have to respect?"

Sorry. That is completely facile.

I obviously meant anyone who comments on the subject with good intent(and, admittedly, on some kind of generally agreed by consensus by everybody else that they are forwarding the unpicking of what it means and how it is relevant in a sympathetic way).

Sorry. Should have put that.

But my post would have been getting on a bit.

It's all just words words words at the end of the day.

When taken out of context.

And there's me breaking my own point of not getting wound up.

Do you provoke this effect often in others do you find?

Sincerely!?

Why have a go at me in such a wild, unsubstantiated, and unnecessary way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That got a bit unpleasant.

Equality of people means respecting different views too?

I think the term feminism is fine. It positions it in a specific site which applies to issues affecting half the world's population based on gender.

Which is precisely the point. It's sucj a nebulous word with so many ways you can interpret and unpick what it means that it's very,very important still.And should continue to be so.

Not that I can talk, seeing as I get wound up when the subject is politics I admit.

But still.

Sooo we should respect the views of neoNazis? Or the views of general racists? Or is it just people who don't believe genders should have equal rights that have to respect?

Sorry. That is completely facile.

Sorry. Should have put that.

But my post would have been getting on a bit.

It's all just words words words at the end of the day.

When taken out of context.

And there's me breaking my own point of not getting wound up.

Do you provoke this effect often in others do you find?

Sincerely!?

Why have a go at me in such a wild, unsubstantiated, and unnecessary way?

I'm not following you. If you mean racist views are okay when sincere, or neoNazis are okay when sincere, or whatever really, then I don't agree.

I guess you'll carry on respecting disgusting views and I'll just point out they're unacceptable.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I didn't say that. I'm not sure anyone else on the thread did either?

Taking my comments out of context.

Slightly.

You've picked a few of the things I've said and claimed it's attacking users for differing views. I'm wondering where you draw your line in the sand.

I don't see why everyone's view should be respected if their view is abhorrent. Sometimes, views don't deserve respect."

You didn't answer my question. May have been hard to spot as I do go on a bit I know.

And no, I wasn't necessarily responding to your comments about the subject(although I may have been alluding to the contretemps which you happened to be involved in). I just reviewed the thread quickly and gave my take on things generally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't say that. I'm not sure anyone else on the thread did either?

Taking my comments out of context.

Slightly.

You've picked a few of the things I've said and claimed it's attacking users for differing views. I'm wondering where you draw your line in the sand.

I don't see why everyone's view should be respected if their view is abhorrent. Sometimes, views don't deserve respect.

You didn't answer my question. May have been hard to spot as I do go on a bit I know.

Yes, people have said they're not feminists. Some have said they don't care, either.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

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I don't see why everyone's view should be respected if their view is abhorrent. Sometimes, views don't deserve respect."

I think we respect the person even if their views are different from ours?

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"That got a bit unpleasant.

Equality of people means respecting different views too?

I think the term feminism is fine. It positions it in a specific site which applies to issues affecting half the world's population based on gender.

Which is precisely the point. It's sucj a nebulous word with so many ways you can interpret and unpick what it means that it's very,very important still.And should continue to be so.

Not that I can talk, seeing as I get wound up when the subject is politics I admit.

But still.

Sooo we should respect the views of neoNazis? Or the views of general racists? Or is it just people who don't believe genders should have equal rights that have to respect?

Sorry. That is completely facile.

Sorry. Should have put that.

But my post would have been getting on a bit.

It's all just words words words at the end of the day.

When taken out of context.

And there's me breaking my own point of not getting wound up.

Do you provoke this effect often in others do you find?

Sincerely!?

Why have a go at me in such a wild, unsubstantiated, and unnecessary way?

I'm not following you. If you mean racist views are okay when sincere, or neoNazis are okay when sincere, or whatever really, then I don't agree.

I guess you'll carry on respecting disgusting views and I'll just point out they're unacceptable. "

Blimey. Please read posts more carefully when having a go at someone. I wasn't defending any racist views(that I'm aware).

SO for the THIRD time, how have i defended such a position in this thread?

Seeing as you seem to be suffering from some kind of amnesia/myopia/'creative' interpretation of my comments in that post.

be quick though: I have to finish watching the grand prix, and then I have Merton's trains programme, then Rabbit Proof Fence, plus MOTD2(I know, stereotypical bloke).

Plus The Moronic Inferno by Martin Amis for my bedtime reading. Need something to send me to sleep.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I didn't say that. I'm not sure anyone else on the thread did either?

Taking my comments out of context.

Slightly.

You've picked a few of the things I've said and claimed it's attacking users for differing views. I'm wondering where you draw your line in the sand.

I don't see why everyone's view should be respected if their view is abhorrent. Sometimes, views don't deserve respect.

You didn't answer my question. May have been hard to spot as I do go on a bit I know.

Yes, people have said they're not feminists. Some have said they don't care, either. "

Racists? Nazis?

Eh?

Maybe by saying they're not feminists doesn't mean they're not pro-women. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Just maybe rejecting what they see 'feminism' as traditionally/contempararreee (whatever, it's late)representing, whether we think that right or wrong. That's the thing with opinions. Doesn't mean they're naysaying 'equality' at all.

I'm certainly hoping, of course, that people who say they're not interested in feminism, or aren't feminists, aren't pro women. But I generally believe in the good of people. Or that they like being tongue in cheek. Occasionally.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Sorry. Aren't not(double negative hell)pro women.

That they're pro women. Effing clarity alert.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. I'm an equalisist.

I also believe in meritocracy.

In that case, ensuring equality of opportunity (is that what you mean?) requires a rebalancing of the playing field.

As it does in many other areas that favour white males from wealthier backgrounds..."

We live in a very unbalance society thats going to be very hard to change . Women ,men without wealth are turned against each other to stop harmony amongst the poor . Its a very cleverer trick . We should stand up and make sure women are any other apprised groups get equality and with that comes freedom . We have on chance while 90% of the wealth is controled by 1% of the population .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't say that. I'm not sure anyone else on the thread did either?

Taking my comments out of context.

Slightly.

You've picked a few of the things I've said and claimed it's attacking users for differing views. I'm wondering where you draw your line in the sand.

I don't see why everyone's view should be respected if their view is abhorrent. Sometimes, views don't deserve respect.

You didn't answer my question. May have been hard to spot as I do go on a bit I know.

Yes, people have said they're not feminists. Some have said they don't care, either.

Racists? Nazis?

Eh?

I asked you about racists and neoNazis to gauge what other poor opinions you think need respecting, not that you're defending them in this thread. I didn't say you were defending any views, just that you're preaching we respect differing views (even if they're gross).

Why would someone say they don't care if they truly did, and why would someone say they're not a feminist if they are?

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"I didn't say that. I'm not sure anyone else on the thread did either?

Taking my comments out of context.

Slightly.

You've picked a few of the things I've said and claimed it's attacking users for differing views. I'm wondering where you draw your line in the sand.

I don't see why everyone's view should be respected if their view is abhorrent. Sometimes, views don't deserve respect.

You didn't answer my question. May have been hard to spot as I do go on a bit I know.

Yes, people have said they're not feminists. Some have said they don't care, either.

Racists? Nazis?

Eh?

Why would someone say they don't care if they truly did, and why would someone say they're not a feminist if they are? "

Okay. Good(I think!).

Feminism, as i said, is a nebulous term. Means different things to different people, reggardless of gender. AS has been evidenced on this thread.

You seem to have a prescriptive view(which IS fine, not that you need my affirmation, I'm very much aware. being prescriptive is useful. We'd all be fucked if there were no people who were prescriptive, whatever the subject)which naturally excludes(it comes across to me) accepting others' views. And then jumping to assumptions(as per you last response to me).

It's semantics, isn't it. It's subjective.

I would like to think that some people in this thread who proclaim themself to not be feminists are in some way(to a greater or lesser degree, from their point of view, or youyrs, or everybody else's)a 'feminist', but not in the way you interpret what it means.

Like the fella who proclaimed that he couldn't stomach the third wave of feminists who you questioned on his credentials to comment(i may be wrong and it wasn't you, but it still serves to illustrate my point broadly speaking).

Crikey. This has got tangled.

I'd love to have a discussion verbally about this(and no, I am NO expert by any stretch of the imagination), as that way you can contextualise what you're saying much more quickly(tautology alert)and precisely, and you can finesse the threads of discussion(no pun intended.Much..)better.

Instead of in this baggy wordy way.

Hamlet aside(words words words).

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Plus. As i said. Some people may have been taking the piss. Or saying something tongue in cheek. Red rag to a bull(I've fallen for it in the past too).

Concentrate on the posts which are trying to be positively meaningful rather than negatively meaningful (or which you suspect of being ironic)?

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By *acavityMan
over a year ago

Redditch

I consider myself a feminist.

I don't assume that a woman is the property of her partner (unless they tell me they're a Ds couple, and that she is.)

I believe women should be able to wear what they like.

Rape is never justified, by short skirts or the victim being drink.

A woman should never be slut-shamed because she chooses to enjoy sex.

I accept that there are differences between people, but playing the gender card makes me annoyed. I don't mind ladies at work asking me to do stuff because I'm taller or stronger. I do object when I'm told it's a man's job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights. "

Indeed hopefully though the feminists will come around to sn Equalitarian view point.

But i dlubt it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

Women do earn more than men under 30 though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

Women do earn more than men under 30 though"

That wasn't my point, it was that she was in a position where she is able to when some women aren't, and that she should consider why they don't the same rights as men.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

My tuppence worth - no i am not.

I'd rather see an un-gender biased world than either gender being pushed as superior. To say women are treated unequally to men is not completely true as there are instances where, based on their gender, they get better treatment.

I agree with gender equality but do not agree that women always get treated unequally to men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tuppence worth - no i am not.

I agree with gender equality but do not agree that women always get treated unequally to men."

That's not the definition of feminism though. It's aim isn't to make women better off than men, it's equality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. It's the 21st century. If you don't believe that women should be treated equally in all aspects of life then you're a remnant of the past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tuppence worth - no i am not.

I agree with gender equality but do not agree that women always get treated unequally to men."

I know where you are coming from, but I don't think the topic as a whole and over concern is the limited to the very few situations where the gender bias is skewed in favour of women.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"My tuppence worth - no i am not.

I agree with gender equality but do not agree that women always get treated unequally to men.

That's not the definition of feminism though. It's aim isn't to make women better off than men, it's equality. "

Oops. I take(some of it)back. I obviously didn't read the posts closely enough first time around.

Regarding your responses to football, I don't see the relevance of them either, and the comment about the concept of 'herstory' being retarded is totally wrong in its demeaning/ reductive(sorry Wolf) rebuttal of how most of history consolidates a male agenda/voice(at the exclusion of a female one). It needs reexamining(the glaring exclusion of female written parables/books of the Bible being a case in point off the top of my head), even though etymologically speaking history has no gender connection in its Latin roots. Not surprised it got your back up.

My cap is doffed.Half way, at least.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My tuppence worth - no i am not.

I agree with gender equality but do not agree that women always get treated unequally to men.

I know where you are coming from, but I don't think the topic as a whole and over concern is the limited to the very few situations where the gender bias is skewed in favour of women."

Cos it's such an anomaly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a shame some people don't believe different genders should have equal rights.

Oh well , that's life

Not at all , and this is Sabrina .

I love being a woman , and I love being me .

What's wrong with that ?

I love my life and wouldn't want to change anything

But who cares as long as your husband earns enough to support you, right?

Silly and infantile viewpoint.

How ridiculous. Do you know what jobs they do? How on earth can you say they should earn the same?! They may have totally different jobs.

And as for your final comment. As always... pot.. kettle...

Women do earn more than men under 30 though

That wasn't my point, it was that she was in a position where she is able to when some women aren't, and that she should consider why they don't the same rights as men. "

What rights do men have that womrn fo not?

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

I think it's the institutionalised(for wont of a better word)sexism which is the main issue, in this country at least.

But you only have to hear about stalking and rape of women being reported or investigated properly/women being sent abroad and being victims of FGM/the vast imbalance of female objectification in the mdia in contrast to male objectification to know that there's still a gender imbalance in many levels of society in this great nation of ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry I'll fix the typo andipeters what rights do men have that women do not?

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Sorry I'll fix the typo andipeters what rights do men have that women do not?"

Ask a women that question in the boardroom,oops sorry,you can't,cause there's none in the boardroom to ask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry I'll fix the typo andipeters what rights do men have that women do not?"

In Western society - is it really that simple?

For the rest of the world - are you fucking kidding?

You seem like such a smart guy, so I'm not sure why your attitude is poor on the subject?

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

"Sorry I'll fix the typo andipeters what rights do men have that women do not?

Ask a women that question in the boardroom,oops sorry,you can't,cause there's none in the boardroom to ask.

There are on the board where i work. Several directors are women and my boss is a woman and awesome to work for.

You can also try asking that question in family courts and you'll soon realise that men have little to no rights there. A lass can do no wrong in that situ & a great majority of the time comes out on top even when a catalogue of independent evidence shows otherwise.

Im not saying women are always treated equal to the opposite gender because they are not but (& this is a personal thing to me) i'd have greater respect to the feminism cause if, & only if, the feminism cause admitted that women are sometimes treated better than men AND the cause was for equality regardless of gender.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with you though. I think most reasonably minded women would agree with you.

The battle for equality is made in small steps in both directions.

There is a HUGE amount either side that needs addressing and it will always be a fight about.

That is how progress is made. We can all agree on that?

So what exactly don't we agree about with the term/concept of Feminism?

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