FabSwingers.com forum: Atherstone Fire Charges

By *ittle_brat_evie!! OP Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Charges are to be brought against 3 fire service managers for gross negligence after the death of the 4 firefighters at a warehouse in Athersone on Stour in 2007.

the CPS have said that the charges are being brought under section 2 of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 and were in the publics interest.

it seems tht because they each performed duties at incident conroller they are being held accountable for the deaths of the firefighters.

i am by no means saying that no one should be made accountable, i work with alot of people who knew the firefighters and it was a terible tragedy but if this case is upheld i can see that no firefighter will want to be incident controller for fear of being prosecuted.

the people that should be prosecuted are the owners of the warehouse who did not provide accurate information that meant that the firefighters had to go in and search for workers that were thought to be in the warehouse

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By *eppersCouple
over a year ago

telford

How the fuck can you run into a burning property safely, when every fucker is running the other way, it's a bit like sending the Health and Safety Executive into a war zone to access the dangers Jesus Christ, whats this world coming too,looking at the bigger picture if these people are successfully prosecuted whats gonna happen next, all our emergency service personnel refusing to go into danger area's like the London underground after a bombing because we have not had a HSE check.what is this world coming to, next we will not treat patients in hospital because of the risk to nurses and doctors being sued.

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

i was part time mines rescue for 15 years (as fire brigade are not trained for underground fires) see M.R.S for details, and was involved in many incidents. A incidents officer is responsible for every ones safety and does running risk assesments during any incident. If they did not have full details of anything in that building then they should never have sent the firefighters into an unknown enviroment. Since they did then this is culpable homicide. It is over 3 years since this incident and the powers that be have looked over every scrap of information and must feel that these people are guilty. If they are not then the courts will find them not guilty. But if they are guilty then they must be punished for effectively murdering these firefighters who were following there superiors orders

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i was part time mines rescue for 15 years (as fire brigade are not trained for underground fires) see M.R.S for details, and was involved in many incidents. A incidents officer is responsible for every ones safety and does running risk assesments during any incident. If they did not have full details of anything in that building then they should never have sent the firefighters into an unknown enviroment. Since they did then this is culpable homicide. It is over 3 years since this incident and the powers that be have looked over every scrap of information and must feel that these people are guilty. If they are not then the courts will find them not guilty. But if they are guilty then they must be punished for effectively murdering these firefighters who were following there superiors orders"

Using the word murder is far to harsh ....

I`d also like to know the fire authorities role and culpability ...

Terrible for all involved...

Hopefully lessons are learn`t and the risk of a similar accident reduced...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

What kind of logic is that....

'the powers that be...' etc etc

ffs, the role of the CPS is to present a case albeit for which they feel their is a reasonable chance of a conviction based on the evidence.

that evidence is presented to the court and the JURY will decide.

heaven forbid any poor sod in a court case which you are called as a juror!!

ever heard of miscarriages of justice?

this case is yet to start, it should be discussed after it has concluded and there are many issues for the UKFS to look at not just this brigade

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

read the post again i said if they are not guilty then the courts will find them not guilty

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

"What kind of logic is that....

'the powers that be...' etc etc

ffs, the role of the CPS is to present a case albeit for which they feel their is a reasonable chance of a conviction based on the evidence.

that evidence is presented to the court and the JURY will decide.

heaven forbid any poor sod in a court case which you are called as a juror!!

ever heard of miscarriages of justice?

this case is yet to start, it should be discussed after it has concluded and there are many issues for the UKFS to look at not just this brigade

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I am training as an electrician now and everything is down to safety. If i came to your house to rewire it but left live exposed conductors and it killed your/ husband/ boyfriend/ son/ daughter, i am sure you would want me in court pretty damn quick

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