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"White House are distancing themselves from some of his remarks. The way he has treated our politicians during his time in office has been nothing less than scandalous. He won't be in office for much longer so whatever he says is not far off of being worthless " I think he's been quite fair about the UK's withdrawal from the world scene | |||
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"The other threads closed due to being too big before I could add my tuppence worth. I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many Americans arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. And Obama'a latest antics really take the biscuit, and underline the fact that stupidity is obviously part of politicians' DNA, irrespective of their nationality. Did he not for a second grasp the irony and hypocrisy of this visit to the UK? He has lunch with the Queen, our sovereign, and I know she has no real power, but then hot foots it over to Downing Street to meet the spineless Cameron, then makes a speech encouraging Britons to give up more of our sovereignty?? And have you noticed, any country with which America gets involved, in whatever way, and including Britain, they always have to have the lead role, the upper hand, they want to set the agenda which will always benefit them. But Obama thinks it's fine for Britain to be totally subjugated to Brussels????? What a stupid man! You couldn't make it up." Right on the money what a stupid man he is | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up! "Most Brexiters think Cameron will be toast if he loses this referendum he will be gone within days, so what you just said was a bit silly really. Whatever happens he will be stepping down before the next general election anyway. | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up! "He's leaving don't you know | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up! "Did you really think about that? The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. Spot the difference???  | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Most Brexiters think Cameron will be toast if he loses this referendum he will be gone within days, so what you just said was a bit silly really. Whatever happens he will be stepping down before the next general election anyway. "That's right...and which strong international statesman do you think is going to replace him? Boris Johnson? George Osborne?? Michael Gove??? That bunch of clowns make Cameron look like Winston Churchill in terms of political nouse and gravitas. Which considering he is agreed to be the worst Cobservative leader in living memory, really takes some doing! So what are you going to do, vote them out in favour of Jeremy Corbyn?! Honestly, you Brexiters are good for the amusement value at least. The one thing about Brexit you actually know you want, you don't even understand! | |||
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"I don't see why if a central plank of the leave argument is they would be able to sort out a uk us trade deal quickly, then why should the president not be able to comment on that It reminds me of when the scots nationalist were saying they would be able to keep the pound and get everything they wanted... And the chancellor and the head of the Bank of England said "ain't happening " Just because the opinion is one they don't like it doesn't mean it isn't relevant And what makes you think a Clinton administration is going to be any different... She would likely keep the same people in place in the important positions " It's just more stuff Brexiters talk about with zero knowledge of the practicalities. A realistic timeframe for a trade deal with the US would be five years at the fastest. On the other hand, they seem to think it's just like splitting the bill in a restaurant! | |||
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"I don't see why if a central plank of the leave argument is they would be able to sort out a uk us trade deal quickly, then why should the president not be able to comment on that It reminds me of when the scots nationalist were saying they would be able to keep the pound and get everything they wanted... And the chancellor and the head of the Bank of England said "ain't happening " Just because the opinion is one they don't like it doesn't mean it isn't relevant And what makes you think a Clinton administration is going to be any different... She would likely keep the same people in place in the important positions It's just more stuff Brexiters talk about with zero knowledge of the practicalities. A realistic timeframe for a trade deal with the US would be five years at the fastest. On the other hand, they seem to think it's just like splitting the bill in a restaurant!" Pmsl. The Americans themselves have said it can be done within 2 years and nothing will change for 2 years when we leave anyway | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference??? "MEPs are elected? | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference???
MEPs are elected?"yes that's what i thought too.. do they also not then elect the positions within the EU..? | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference???
MEPs are elected?
yes that's what i thought too..
do they also not then elect the positions within the EU..?
"Well considering even the leading figures of the Remain in EU campaign side say there is a real problem with democracy in the EU, and it needs reform, are you saying the Britain stronger in Europe campaign figures like Jeremy Corbyn have got it all wrong? | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference???
MEPs are elected?"To be fair I think the Brexit side can be forgiven for their confusion on this point. Let's not forget that many of them are Uskippers, and as the UKIP MEPs they voted for refuse to take part in any EU voting, preferring to just pick up the cheques instead, they won't understand that it's a democratic process.  | |||
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"If what Obama has said is of such little consequence, why is the Brexit camp getting so stressed up about what he says..? seems to be the same reaction to the other people with experience (as opposed to us lot) in the real world of geo politics, trade, finance etc who share the same views that a leave vote isn't going to be plain sailing and will be different to what the lead people in the leave camp are saying.. " There is a long way to go in this referendum campaign, come June 23rd people will have forgotten all about Obama and what he said won't even be a factor. | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. "Don't worry, that's not offensive, it's a statement of fact. The Leave campaign is the public face of that mindset. | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference???
MEPs are elected?
To be fair I think the Brexit side can be forgiven for their confusion on this point. Let's not forget that many of them are Uskippers, and as the UKIP MEPs they voted for refuse to take part in any EU voting, preferring to just pick up the cheques instead, they won't understand that it's a democratic process. "Your hero Jeremy Corbyn said there are real problems with democracy in the EU, and it needs reform to make it more democratic, are you saying your leader and saviour Jeremy Corbyn has got it all wrong then? | |||
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"If what Obama has said is of such little consequence, why is the Brexit camp getting so stressed up about what he says..? seems to be the same reaction to the other people with experience (as opposed to us lot) in the real world of geo politics, trade, finance etc who share the same views that a leave vote isn't going to be plain sailing and will be different to what the lead people in the leave camp are saying.. There is a long way to go in this referendum campaign, come June 23rd people will have forgotten all about Obama and what he said won't even be a factor. " But you just said that what Obama said was going to create support for Brexit...but it's also not a factor? It's really hard to keep up! | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. "Jeez thats something coming from an American. I bet half of them couldn't find us on a map
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. ". I wouldn't disagree with that statement  .
Obama's not a stupid guy, he's just stating where his corporations interests lie.
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference???
MEPs are elected?
To be fair I think the Brexit side can be forgiven for their confusion on this point. Let's not forget that many of them are Uskippers, and as the UKIP MEPs they voted for refuse to take part in any EU voting, preferring to just pick up the cheques instead, they won't understand that it's a democratic process.
Your hero Jeremy Corbyn said there are real problems with democracy in the EU, and it needs reform to make it more democratic, are you saying your leader and saviour Jeremy Corbyn has got it all wrong then?"No, he's got it right. If you are able to see things in a nuanced way, rather than thinking everything is black and white, you may be able to understand that something needing reform to make it more democratic does not mean that it is currently undemocratic. Further to that, you may then understand that people who want to make an organisation more democratic realise that to do so you need to remain a member of that democratic organisation. On the other hand, Michael Gove would prefer it if you stayed at home with a tea towel over your head and a copy of the Beano from 1962. That's the way to improve the EU! | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. "this.. and not just the rest of the world.. but they're 'British', and 'we' used to have an Empire and 'we' should be allowed to be 'Great' again because... actually i don't have a clue just why some want to be 'great' again or even what it means.. | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. "Where as Americans are known for their in depth knowledge of world affairs...  | |||
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"If what Obama has said is of such little consequence, why is the Brexit camp getting so stressed up about what he says..? seems to be the same reaction to the other people with experience (as opposed to us lot) in the real world of geo politics, trade, finance etc who share the same views that a leave vote isn't going to be plain sailing and will be different to what the lead people in the leave camp are saying.. There is a long way to go in this referendum campaign, come June 23rd people will have forgotten all about Obama and what he said won't even be a factor. " which if thats true indicates it will have been of no consequence and irrelevant to the outcome which tends to contradict many of your own and other's in the leave camps views at present..? | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world.
Jeez thats something coming from an American. I bet half of them couldn't find us on a map
What percentage of Americans have even been to another state let alone country "You do realize that I just took the exact words from the OP and changed it from American to British, right?
Having lived in both countries (lived, not visited or worked) I can tell you that the percentage of ignorant and uninformed in both countries is about on par. Threads like these, and many of the comments on them, just solidify the truth of that for me.
I just think that in the US people are more honest about their ignorance. People here refuse to believe it about themselves.
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference???
MEPs are elected?
To be fair I think the Brexit side can be forgiven for their confusion on this point. Let's not forget that many of them are Uskippers, and as the UKIP MEPs they voted for refuse to take part in any EU voting, preferring to just pick up the cheques instead, they won't understand that it's a democratic process.
Your hero Jeremy Corbyn said there are real problems with democracy in the EU, and it needs reform to make it more democratic, are you saying your leader and saviour Jeremy Corbyn has got it all wrong then?
No, he's got it right. If you are able to see things in a nuanced way, rather than thinking everything is black and white, you may be able to understand that something needing reform to make it more democratic does not mean that it is currently undemocratic.
Further to that, you may then understand that people who want to make an organisation more democratic realise that to do so you need to remain a member of that democratic organisation.
On the other hand, Michael Gove would prefer it if you stayed at home with a tea towel over your head and a copy of the Beano from 1962. That's the way to improve the EU! "Sorry what you just said makes no sense at all.  Seems par for the corse on your comments though, first you say it's democratic, then it's undemocratic because Jeremy Corby said so and now it's democratic again? It's either democratic or its not, you really need to make your mind up. | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Did you really think about that?
The big difference is that we can get rid of Cameron as we live in a democracy, just. The EU is run by a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.
Spot the difference???
MEPs are elected?
yes that's what i thought too..
do they also not then elect the positions within the EU..?
Well considering even the leading figures of the Remain in EU campaign side say there is a real problem with democracy in the EU, and it needs reform, are you saying the Britain stronger in Europe campaign figures like Jeremy Corbyn have got it all wrong? "again you prevaricate to distract or duck answering the question.. they are elected from within the body that is the EU in its current format.. btw i agree that the EU like many institutions would benefit from a review and if needed some reforms.. bit like saying we have no democracy in the Palace of Westminster as we did not vote for the speaker, or those who 'chair' the various select committee's.. | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world.
Jeez thats something coming from an American. I bet half of them couldn't find us on a map
What percentage of Americans have even been to another state let alone country
You do realize that I just took the exact words from the OP and changed it from American to British, right?
Having lived in both countries (lived, not visited or worked) I can tell you that the percentage of ignorant and uninformed in both countries is about on par. Threads like these, and many of the comments on them, just solidify the truth of that for me.
I just think that in the US people are more honest about their ignorance. People here refuse to believe it about themselves.
No offense or anything."No offence but being on a par would depend on where in America you lived I would think | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world.
Jeez thats something coming from an American. I bet half of them couldn't find us on a map
What percentage of Americans have even been to another state let alone country
You do realize that I just took the exact words from the OP and changed it from American to British, right?
Having lived in both countries (lived, not visited or worked) I can tell you that the percentage of ignorant and uninformed in both countries is about on par. Threads like these, and many of the comments on them, just solidify the truth of that for me.
I just think that in the US people are more honest about their ignorance. People here refuse to believe it about themselves.
No offense or anything.
No offence but being on a par would depend on where in America you lived I would think"Nope. | |||
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"I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many British people arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. "As a Brit who has lived the majority of my life in various countries around the world; I would agree wholeheartedly: The stunning ignorance and arrogance and insularity of Brits in general, about the world makes me cringe. | |||
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"I tweeted Boris Johnson telling him to take a trip to the US and to make some comments about their gun control laws" Isn't that what piers Morgan did? | |||
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"White House are distancing themselves from some of his remarks. The way he has treated our politicians during his time in office has been nothing less than scandalous. He won't be in office for much longer so whatever he says is not far off of being worthless " Its being reported A senior Whitehouse official said he "winced" when Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal. So it does appear the Whitehouse are trying to distance themselves from Obama's comments. Nigel Farage also pointed out Americans never use the word "queue", they say "back of the line" instead. So could it be that Cameron told Obama what to say and it was all pre-scripted by Cameron? | |||
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" Nigel Farage also pointed out Americans never use the word "queue", they say "back of the line" instead. So could it be that Cameron told Obama what to say and it was all pre-scripted by Cameron? " Or, a simpler explanation, Obama wrote his speech with a British audience in mind. I highly doubt Cameron can tell Obama to do anything. | |||
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"White House are distancing themselves from some of his remarks. The way he has treated our politicians during his time in office has been nothing less than scandalous. He won't be in office for much longer so whatever he says is not far off of being worthless Its being reported A senior Whitehouse official said he "winced" when Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal. So it does appear the Whitehouse are trying to distance themselves from Obama's comments. Nigel Farage also pointed out Americans never use the word "queue", they say "back of the line" instead. So could it be that Cameron told Obama what to say and it was all pre-scripted by Cameron? " Of course it was pre-scripted. They all have speech writers and of course they rehearsed it all before the day. Why would they not? | |||
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"Inlove the doublethink on display here. You say you want our sovereignty back...and that means you want more power put in the hands of someone you think is spineless. Brexiters...you couldn't make them up!
Most Brexiters think Cameron will be toast if he loses this referendum he will be gone within days, so what you just said was a bit silly really. Whatever happens he will be stepping down before the next general election anyway.
That's right...and which strong international statesman do you think is going to replace him?
Boris Johnson? George Osborne?? Michael Gove???
That bunch of clowns make Cameron look like Winston Churchill in terms of political nouse and gravitas. Which considering he is agreed to be the worst Cobservative leader in living memory, really takes some doing! So what are you going to do, vote them out in favour of Jeremy Corbyn?!
Honestly, you Brexiters are good for the amusement value at least. The one thing about Brexit you actually know you want, you don't even understand! "Your wisdom is breathtaking, I bow to your superiority! Oh wise and 'know it all' one. | |||
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"White House are distancing themselves from some of his remarks. The way he has treated our politicians during his time in office has been nothing less than scandalous. He won't be in office for much longer so whatever he says is not far off of being worthless Its being reported A senior Whitehouse official said he "winced" when Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal. So it does appear the Whitehouse are trying to distance themselves from Obama's comments. Nigel Farage also pointed out Americans never use the word "queue", they say "back of the line" instead. So could it be that Cameron told Obama what to say and it was all pre-scripted by Cameron? Of course it was pre-scripted. They all have speech writers and of course they rehearsed it all before the day. Why would they not?" Are you saying Cameron wrote Obama's speech? Lol | |||
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"White House are distancing themselves from some of his remarks. The way he has treated our politicians during his time in office has been nothing less than scandalous. He won't be in office for much longer so whatever he says is not far off of being worthless Its being reported A senior Whitehouse official said he "winced" when Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal. So it does appear the Whitehouse are trying to distance themselves from Obama's comments. Nigel Farage also pointed out Americans never use the word "queue", they say "back of the line" instead. So could it be that Cameron told Obama what to say and it was all pre-scripted by Cameron? Of course it was pre-scripted. They all have speech writers and of course they rehearsed it all before the day. Why would they not? Are you saying Cameron wrote Obama's speech? Lol "Could have done, I've never seen a guy at a press conference before with such a red face. It was cringeworthy and embarrassing | |||
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"White House are distancing themselves from some of his remarks. The way he has treated our politicians during his time in office has been nothing less than scandalous. He won't be in office for much longer so whatever he says is not far off of being worthless Its being reported A senior Whitehouse official said he "winced" when Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal. So it does appear the Whitehouse are trying to distance themselves from Obama's comments. Nigel Farage also pointed out Americans never use the word "queue", they say "back of the line" instead. So could it be that Cameron told Obama what to say and it was all pre-scripted by Cameron? Of course it was pre-scripted. They all have speech writers and of course they rehearsed it all before the day. Why would they not? Are you saying Cameron wrote Obama's speech? Lol "No. They employ speech writers. They would have conversed and written the speeches. Each would have the ability to change. They didn't do that very well. | |||
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"White House are distancing themselves from some of his remarks. The way he has treated our politicians during his time in office has been nothing less than scandalous. He won't be in office for much longer so whatever he says is not far off of being worthless Its being reported A senior Whitehouse official said he "winced" when Obama said Britain would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal. So it does appear the Whitehouse are trying to distance themselves from Obama's comments. Nigel Farage also pointed out Americans never use the word "queue", they say "back of the line" instead. So could it be that Cameron told Obama what to say and it was all pre-scripted by Cameron? " So now we are at the conspiracy theory stage of the Leave campaign mindset...this really is the gift that keeps on giving!
'Apparently', 'according to a source', 'it is alleged' and 'it has been reported' that it wasn't Obama at all who made the speech yesterday...it was a special robot crossed with a hologram that has been secretly developed by Dopey Dave using...wait for it...TAX PAYERS MONEY!!!
'It has been reported' that the cost of this hi-yech scheme was £9M. 'It is alleged' that Nigel Farage has said it was a disgraceful waste of money, because the Leave campaign didn't get the chance to skim any money off for themselves as the leaders of the official campaign have been caught doing with their own funds, so it was unfair. 'Allegedly'.
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"The other threads closed due to being too big before I could add my tuppence worth. I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many Americans arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. And Obama'a latest antics really take the biscuit, and underline the fact that stupidity is obviously part of politicians' DNA, irrespective of their nationality. Did he not for a second grasp the irony and hypocrisy of this visit to the UK? He has lunch with the Queen, our sovereign, and I know she has no real power, but then hot foots it over to Downing Street to meet the spineless Cameron, then makes a speech encouraging Britons to give up more of our sovereignty?? And have you noticed, any country with which America gets involved, in whatever way, and including Britain, they always have to have the lead role, the upper hand, they want to set the agenda which will always benefit them. But Obama thinks it's fine for Britain to be totally subjugated to Brussels????? What a stupid man! You couldn't make it up." Sadly not stupidity, but a calculated attempt to threaten and mislead the British public in the referendum debate. He is no friend of the U.K. | |||
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"The other threads closed due to being too big before I could add my tuppence worth. I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many Americans arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. And Obama'a latest antics really take the biscuit, and underline the fact that stupidity is obviously part of politicians' DNA, irrespective of their nationality. Did he not for a second grasp the irony and hypocrisy of this visit to the UK? He has lunch with the Queen, our sovereign, and I know she has no real power, but then hot foots it over to Downing Street to meet the spineless Cameron, then makes a speech encouraging Britons to give up more of our sovereignty?? And have you noticed, any country with which America gets involved, in whatever way, and including Britain, they always have to have the lead role, the upper hand, they want to set the agenda which will always benefit them. But Obama thinks it's fine for Britain to be totally subjugated to Brussels????? What a stupid man! You couldn't make it up. Sadly not stupidity, but a calculated attempt to threaten and mislead the British public in the referendum debate. He is no friend of the U.K." Mislead how? He is actually saying that the US isn't a freind of Britain, which is useful info, because one of the central ideas within brexit is enhanced trade with the USA.... | |||
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"The other threads closed due to being too big before I could add my tuppence worth. I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many Americans arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. And Obama'a latest antics really take the biscuit, and underline the fact that stupidity is obviously part of politicians' DNA, irrespective of their nationality. Did he not for a second grasp the irony and hypocrisy of this visit to the UK? He has lunch with the Queen, our sovereign, and I know she has no real power, but then hot foots it over to Downing Street to meet the spineless Cameron, then makes a speech encouraging Britons to give up more of our sovereignty?? And have you noticed, any country with which America gets involved, in whatever way, and including Britain, they always have to have the lead role, the upper hand, they want to set the agenda which will always benefit them. But Obama thinks it's fine for Britain to be totally subjugated to Brussels????? What a stupid man! You couldn't make it up. Sadly not stupidity, but a calculated attempt to threaten and mislead the British public in the referendum debate. He is no friend of the U.K. Mislead how? He is actually saying that the US isn't a freind of Britain, which is useful info, because one of the central ideas within brexit is enhanced trade with the USA...." Excellent point, and once people grasp this fact they can begin to see Obamas comments for what they are. The US uses the UK to suit its own ends and we hang on their coat tails to suit our own purposes. We do not need to be friends with them to have a trade deal in place quickly which suits both countries purposes. | |||
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"The other threads closed due to being too big before I could add my tuppence worth. I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many Americans arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. And Obama'a latest antics really take the biscuit, and underline the fact that stupidity is obviously part of politicians' DNA, irrespective of their nationality. Did he not for a second grasp the irony and hypocrisy of this visit to the UK? He has lunch with the Queen, our sovereign, and I know she has no real power, but then hot foots it over to Downing Street to meet the spineless Cameron, then makes a speech encouraging Britons to give up more of our sovereignty?? And have you noticed, any country with which America gets involved, in whatever way, and including Britain, they always have to have the lead role, the upper hand, they want to set the agenda which will always benefit them. But Obama thinks it's fine for Britain to be totally subjugated to Brussels????? What a stupid man! You couldn't make it up." You could. In fact, you just did.  | |||
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"The other threads closed due to being too big before I could add my tuppence worth. I don't really mean to be offensive, and I know it doesn't apply to them all, but I do find many Americans arrogant and ignorant of what goes on in the rest of the world. And Obama'a latest antics really take the biscuit, and underline the fact that stupidity is obviously part of politicians' DNA, irrespective of their nationality. Did he not for a second grasp the irony and hypocrisy of this visit to the UK? He has lunch with the Queen, our sovereign, and I know she has no real power, but then hot foots it over to Downing Street to meet the spineless Cameron, then makes a speech encouraging Britons to give up more of our sovereignty?? And have you noticed, any country with which America gets involved, in whatever way, and including Britain, they always have to have the lead role, the upper hand, they want to set the agenda which will always benefit them. But Obama thinks it's fine for Britain to be totally subjugated to Brussels????? What a stupid man! You couldn't make it up. Sadly not stupidity, but a calculated attempt to threaten and mislead the British public in the referendum debate. He is no friend of the U.K." But Putin is, because he supports Brexit. Is that your point. | |||
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"So now we are at the conspiracy theory stage of the Leave campaign mindset...this really is the gift that keeps on giving! "
We have a problem though. In these times of austerity I'm not sure we have enough room in our institutions to deal with the Brexit Taliban if they go over the edge.
Maybe we should just try to humour them until June? | |||
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"So now we are at the conspiracy theory stage of the Leave campaign mindset...this really is the gift that keeps on giving!
We have a problem though. In these times of austerity I'm not sure we have enough room in our institutions to deal with the Brexit Taliban if they go over the edge.
Maybe we should just try to humour them until June?"They are like malcontent children having a tantrum in the world food section of Morrisons. We need to keep them off the Skittles. | |||
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"So now we are at the conspiracy theory stage of the Leave campaign mindset...this really is the gift that keeps on giving!
We have a problem though. In these times of austerity I'm not sure we have enough room in our institutions to deal with the Brexit Taliban if they go over the edge.
Maybe we should just try to humour them until June?
They are like malcontent children having a tantrum in the world food section of Morrisons.
We need to keep them off the Skittles." | |||
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