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".......is it really or is that what "they" want you to think? x"Areas of Britain will become more segregated as larger amounts of different cultures who do not wish to integrate themselves into our society come to live here. Multi cultural societies rarely exist cohesively historically. But I would like to think we could though eventually.  | |||
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"We just need to accept that within this century we will all be subject to sharia law and the black flag of islam will be visible over the Palace of Westminster. Apparently." I dont know about sharia law but im down for being subjected to skakira law so long as she moves her body like she comes from Columbia! | |||
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"We just need to accept that within this century we will all be subject to sharia law and the black flag of islam will be visible over the Palace of Westminster. Apparently.I dont know about sharia law but im down for being subjected to skakira law so long as she moves her body like she comes from Columbia! "Shakira? Lay off the Buckfast dude  | |||
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"We just need to accept that within this century we will all be subject to sharia law and the black flag of islam will be visible over the Palace of Westminster. Apparently.I dont know about sharia law but im down for being subjected to skakira law so long as she moves her body like she comes from Columbia!
Shakira?
Lay off the Buckfast dude "buckfast? Is that something the mausoleums drink when twerking to shakira? | |||
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"We just need to accept that within this century we will all be subject to sharia law and the black flag of islam will be visible over the Palace of Westminster. Apparently.I dont know about sharia law but im down for being subjected to skakira law so long as she moves her body like she comes from Columbia!
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Lay off the Buckfast dude buckfast? Is that something the mausoleums drink when twerking to shakira?
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"In times of adversity and austerity we become xenophobic. The fact that the UK has one of the highest population densities in the world " Thats not even remotly true We're 52nd lol | |||
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"U are in the minority not the majority, if everyone came with that in mind people would not mind but to many come here and not productively contribute and because of this resentment builds and before you call me rascist I originate from Caribbean " I'm also an immigrant from the Caribbean who's came here and worked long and hard and set up my own businesses that have given employment to as many British nationals as I've given work to foreigners (mostly polish) I've contributed extensively to the fabric of the society and I've even had my contributions acknowledged and recognized officially by the government haven been presented with formal gestures of recognition and appreciation by the first minister of Scotland ...so no one can say that I've taken more than what I've given...which is more than I can say for many of my peers who are content to take what they can get and give nothing back and blame everyone and anyone else for anything wrong in their lives....mind over matter....if you don't mind then it doesn't matter....attitude is altitude...positivity equates to progress and I wouldn't be where I am without a positive mindset...negativity is toxic and the enemy of progress  | |||
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"In times of adversity and austerity we become xenophobic. The fact that the UK has one of the highest population densities in the world Thats not even remotly true We're 52nd lol" well spotted...I dare say there are places in India,china and Brazil that are far more densely populated | |||
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"The problem with this thread is that, while I suspect it was done for reasons of humour, it rather carelessly divides opinions and results in inflamed passions. [THREAD REJECTED] " nothing is as it seems nor is it otherwise | |||
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"Ninja so we are now informed there's several here that have done well, contributed and helped others but none of that changes the fact that far to many come to this country with only themselves in mind and this is where the devide grows from " the greater majority of immigrants that I've encountered in the last 16 year's here have been more ambitious than their British counterparts and I've met alot of immigrants considering the fact that I was involved in racial equality for many years and was even involved in studies on the subject that have lead to changes in policies etc...generally people coming from abroad have arrived from a more volatile and competitive environment than there is here....things are too easy for people here to not try hard....people here complain about their being no jobs or no opportunities but if someone can come here from another county with a different culture,language etc and face discrimination and many other hurdles to overcome and still come out if it better than someone who's been here their whole life then what does that prove exactly? What it says to me is that where there's a will there's a way and where there's no will there's no way....teens here don't value free education....teens in the Caribbean value education not only because it's not free but because they recognize the opportunity to better themselves and their fortunes and to provide for their family and community...when I went to school here in my teens the general attitude was "fuck school" ... It's not the immigrants that are the main problem...the problem is the perception of what the problem is and people's attitude towards society and the part they play in the bigger scheme of things...your average kid here doesn't care about not littering or paying into pensions for senior citizens or not driving about playing load music in their car....Kevin and Perry are a prime example of the attitude of teen's here | |||
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"In times of adversity and austerity we become xenophobic. The fact that the UK has one of the highest population densities in the world Thats not even remotly true We're 52nd lol" I think if you check your facts you will find that over 95% of our population live in urban conurbations with a population density of over 2500 per sq mile (if memory serves) which is right up near the top. | |||
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"Immigrants thieving . money grabbing Leaches" no I'm not,to the contrary the many friends I've made here who I've lent money to that I didn't get back or who have stolen from me would more appropriately fit that category...then again can we blame them when they're only following the lead of the politicians who ironically want to blame immigration for them filling their pockets from money that should go towards common folk | |||
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"In times of adversity and austerity we become xenophobic. The fact that the UK has one of the highest population densities in the world Thats not even remotly true We're 52nd lol I think if you check your facts you will find that over 95% of our population live in urban conurbations with a population density of over 2500 per sq mile (if memory serves) which is right up near the top." So what you mean is that certain cities in the uk have a high population density? Not the uk as a whole which has a very low population density. In which case no youre still wrong london is the most dense in the uk and even that isnt even in the top 40 of cities by density. Uk urban population is only around 80% | |||
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"All depends on where you live.for example i live just outside london and over the last ten years the area has filled up with migrants who dont intergrate and stay in there own little groups.but my mother lives in a rural area where you barely hear a accent let alone a different language.so it really depends on geography wat your view are gona be" if the concentration of migrants are more predominant in one area over another area then I would dare say there would be less of an incentive for them to integrate outwith of their own group if the area they occupy consists predominantly of their own group....I came to Scotland being the only Caribbean person I knew so integration was the only option available to me other than being a recluse had I moved to brixton then I could well be accused of not integrating outwith of my group....then there's the fact that folk here say that most immigrants don't want to integrate yet they neglect to mention the fact that there are those who don't want to integrate with immigrants or too let them integrate with British natives...bit of a catch 22 situation there to be honest....much like the fact that the folk who claim that they're taking their jobs actually don't want to work in the first place so effectively the jobs that are taken are not jobs that are generally wanted by brits oh the irony | |||
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aye these bloody foreigners coming here with their big feet and cars taking up square footage buying big shoes and houses eh...totally shocking! Lol"In times of adversity and austerity we become xenophobic. The fact that the UK has one of the highest population densities in the world Thats not even remotly true We're 52nd lol I think if you check your facts you will find that over 95% of our population live in urban conurbations with a population density of over 2500 per sq mile (if memory serves) which is right up near the top. So what you mean is that certain cities in the uk have a high population density? Not the uk as a whole which has a very low population density. In which case no youre still wrong london is the most dense in the uk and even that isnt even in the top 40 of cities by density. Uk urban population is only around 80%" | |||
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"Unchecked immigration within the EU is keeping wages low discuss?" Wages are low as there are a lot of eastern Europeans being employed, but that is only due to people not wanting them. I work at Gatwick the amount is eastern Europeans working here is a lot, but you see British people finding out the have to work weekends, start at 5 am and sometimes before finish late and then leave to go back on the dole. In my opinion we need those foreign workers as so many other don't want it. | |||
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"Immigrants thieving . money grabbing Leaches" Well said sir. A short well reasoned argument... Now back in the real world... I salute anyone who works hard and congratulate anyone brave enough to start their own business... Unfortunately I have noticed in London that now a large number of homeless are foreign and this causes a bad perception... I am for controlled immigration, people need to provide skills, money, knowledge ect... I disagree that you can just move to a new country on a whim with no means of support... | |||
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"Unchecked immigration within the EU is keeping wages low discuss? Wages are low as there are a lot of eastern Europeans being employed, but that is only due to people not wanting them. I work at Gatwick the amount is eastern Europeans working here is a lot, but you see British people finding out the have to work weekends, start at 5 am and sometimes before finish late and then leave to go back on the dole. In my opinion we need those foreign workers as so many other don't want it." The last few years has seen nearly all supermarkets phase out shift premiums for weekend work. Cheap eu migrants are depressing wages. | |||
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"Boom! Drop it like it's hot! Having traveled extensively and lived all over the world I dare say that the UK is one of the least densely populated places I've ever lived " Surely when you lived in Montana you would have found that less populated than UK? or South/North Dakota, and then Wyoming, even more sparse | |||
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"Wrong target mate . Right wing governments coldly and cynically use immigrants as slave labour and a wegde to drive down poor working class wages . Then they get the Nazi shit rag ( Daily Mail ) to point you in the right direction of who to blame . Tories fuck this country and divide it . Wrong target mate . "But it was labour that joined the eu? Not the tories. | |||
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"All depends on what work social circles your in, manual work immigration has ruined and very few Young British workers get a look in, here in London over 80% foreign workers, but I suppose if you work in one the nice offices or banks then it will be a lot lot less" Banks?? In back offices, operations, IT Etc all UK workers were replaced years ago by Outsouced Indians | |||
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".......is it really or is that what "they" want you to think? x
Areas of Britain will become more segregated as larger amounts of different cultures who do not wish to integrate themselves into our society come to live here.
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"U are in the minority not the majority, if everyone came with that in mind people would not mind but to many come here and not productively contribute and because of this resentment builds and before you call me rascist I originate from Caribbean " Use the quote button so we know who's post you are commenting to and it saves you putting their name | |||
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"I don't think immigration is anywhere near one of our biggest problems. " Totally agree.... | |||
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"Controlled economic migration = good Uncontrolled and illegal migration = bad Surely that's the viewpoint of the vast, vast majority summed up isn't ? As the phrase says, an immigrant with a degree isn't taking your job when all you have is 2 GCSE's and an STI. " A round of applause to ya xxx | |||
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"Controlled economic migration = good Uncontrolled and illegal migration = bad Surely that's the viewpoint of the vast, vast majority summed up isn't ? As the phrase says, an immigrant with a degree isn't taking your job when all you have is 2 GCSE's and an STI. " | |||
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"I don't think it is. Same as Europe. I don't really know anyone who actually gave a shit about it until they were told that it was the BIGGEST ISSUE imaginable and the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION they would ever face. Maybe I'm sheltered by being middle class and in the north, but immigration has pretty much zero impact on my life, positive or negative." It's has a huge impact in the south east and as housing etc costs continue to rise down here, these economic movements will move further north. | |||
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"In times of adversity and austerity we become xenophobic. The fact that the UK has one of the highest population densities in the world Thats not even remotly true We're 52nd lol I think if you check your facts you will find that over 95% of our population live in urban conurbations with a population density of over 2500 per sq mile (if memory serves) which is right up near the top. So what you mean is that certain cities in the uk have a high population density? Not the uk as a whole which has a very low population density. In which case no youre still wrong london is the most dense in the uk and even that isnt even in the top 40 of cities by density. Uk urban population is only around 80%" . It's all a bit misleading!. The UK population is 66 million,ish with 240k skm land mass. Scotland 5 million people Wales 3 million people Northern Ireland just under 2 That leaves 56 million in England . Now Wales, Scotland and northern Ireland make up nearly half the land mass with only about 15% of the population!. . England taken as a country is actually in the top ten of density population in the world with about 411 people per sqkm. . So even if you think there's plenty of space, then the space is actually in Scotland Wales and northern Ireland. Now if you look at those three countries geographically you see why they tend to be sparsely populated. | |||
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"Immigrants thieving . money grabbing Leaches Did one steal your spelling and grammar book?" Haha | |||
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"I don't think it is. Same as Europe. I don't really know anyone who actually gave a shit about it until they were told that it was the BIGGEST ISSUE imaginable and the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION they would ever face. Maybe I'm sheltered by being middle class and in the north, but immigration has pretty much zero impact on my life, positive or negative. It's has a huge impact in the south east and as housing etc costs continue to rise down here, these economic movements will move further north. " It definitely has impact here as I work for a housing association and a high proportion applying for housing are foreign, mostly Polish plus I am job hunting again and a much higher number applying for jobs than 2 years ago. | |||
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".......is it really or is that what "they" want you to think? x"Media is dividing 'Great' Britain, not immigration. F | |||
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"I don't think it is. Same as Europe. I don't really know anyone who actually gave a shit about it until they were told that it was the BIGGEST ISSUE imaginable and the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION they would ever face. Maybe I'm sheltered by being middle class and in the north, but immigration has pretty much zero impact on my life, positive or negative. It's has a huge impact in the south east and as housing etc costs continue to rise down here, these economic movements will move further north. It definitely has impact here as I work for a housing association and a high proportion applying for housing are foreign, mostly Polish plus I am job hunting again and a much higher number applying for jobs than 2 years ago." How many get a house ? | |||
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"Schrödinger's Immigrant; Simultaneously stealing your job whilst too lazy to work.... Make up your mind peeps! " | |||
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"I guess it depends on how we define immigrants! When I talk to people they often confuse immigrants with refugees, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants. The latter being separate issues. I'm the daughter of immigrants who came here looking for work. They found it and paid their way in society. Incidentally, before my recent unemployment, one of my roles was to support young men into work and it was gob smacking! The number of clients who would not apply for jobs because they wouldn't be instantly getting 20K plus a year was gob smacking. We've taught our young people that bling, instant riches and fame is more important than working hard. I think the Kardashians are to blame! " . What's 20k in this country though!!. Your coming out with 300 a week ish. The average house price is 180k.. Let's say your renting, the average rent is now 100 a week. Your not exactly living like the kardasians on that money!. People always fucking bang on about UK people not getting out of bed for this or that but honestly, your not living a life of luxury on 20k. Sure if you wanna live 12 to a room like many immigrants are found doing, if you bring in your car that doesn't need road tax or an mot in this country, if you bring in your untaxed fags and booze by the boot load like many immigrants do and send your money home to a country that has a tenth of your cost of living.... Then sure you can live OK on 20k. But take it from me as I've meet and worked with hundreds of immigrants who do exactly that... It's still not a great way to live!!! | |||
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"I don't think it is. Same as Europe. I don't really know anyone who actually gave a shit about it until they were told that it was the BIGGEST ISSUE imaginable and the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION they would ever face. Maybe I'm sheltered by being middle class and in the north, but immigration has pretty much zero impact on my life, positive or negative. It's has a huge impact in the south east and as housing etc costs continue to rise down here, these economic movements will move further north. It definitely has impact here as I work for a housing association and a high proportion applying for housing are foreign, mostly Polish plus I am job hunting again and a much higher number applying for jobs than 2 years ago. How many get a house ?" A lot,if my daughter's estate is indicative of the rest of the country. Immigration,at the rate it has been over the last 10 years,has had an impact,there's no denying that. With illegal immigrants come problems,with migrants comes problems. How the Government deals with those problems is the big issue. With the economy crash that has impacted severely on the UK,councils and public services have seen their budgets cut,all the while taking in more and more people. Less money and more people means we have to pay more. Private landlords are benefiting,as are building development companies,with thousands of new flats going up. Some are being rented to ex council tenants at less than council rents but still more than people can afford. Thereby adding to the housing benefit bill. More people,more people claiming benefits like these and tax credits. I'm saddened to think what it will be like in 10 years time when my grandchildren will be working. They'll have to go abroad to be able to live. | |||
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"In times of adversity and austerity we become xenophobic. The fact that the UK has one of the highest population densities in the world Thats not even remotly true We're 52nd lol Uk urban population is only around 80%. It's all a bit misleading!. The UK population is 66 million,ish with 240k skm land mass. Scotland 5 million people Wales 3 million people Northern Ireland just under 2 That leaves 56 million in England . Now Wales, Scotland and northern Ireland make up nearly half the land mass with only about 15% of the population!. . England taken as a country is actually in the top ten of density population in the world with about 411 people per sqkm. . So even if you think there's plenty of space, then the space is actually in Scotland Wales and northern Ireland. Now if you look at those three countries geographically you see why they tend to be sparsely populated." If you take out principalities (Monaco and the like) and 'city states' (Singapore etc)then we, England, jump to 2nd after Holland. | |||
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"I guess it depends on how we define immigrants! When I talk to people they often confuse immigrants with refugees, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants. The latter being separate issues. I'm the daughter of immigrants who came here looking for work. They found it and paid their way in society. Incidentally, before my recent unemployment, one of my roles was to support young men into work and it was gob smacking! The number of clients who would not apply for jobs because they wouldn't be instantly getting 20K plus a year was gob smacking. We've taught our young people that bling, instant riches and fame is more important than working hard. I think the Kardashians are to blame! . What's 20k in this country though!!. Your coming out with 300 a week ish. The average house price is 180k.. Let's say your renting, the average rent is now 100 a week. Your not exactly living like the kardasians on that money!. People always fucking bang on about UK people not getting out of bed for this or that but honestly, your not living a life of luxury on 20k. Sure if you wanna live 12 to a room like many immigrants are found doing, if you bring in your car that doesn't need road tax or an mot in this country, if you bring in your untaxed fags and booze by the boot load like many immigrants do and send your money home to a country that has a tenth of your cost of living.... Then sure you can live OK on 20k. But take it from me as I've meet and worked with hundreds of immigrants who do exactly that... It's still not a great way to live!!!" I'm talking about 16, 17 year olds who refuse to get out of bed for anything less with very few qualifications and no work experience. They want to be rich and they want it immediately. Their aspirations are to be rappers, reality stars etc. | |||
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"Yeah, I am an immigrant Came over here Didn't. Take your jobs Started my own company and employ 25 Brits ( and one German, one Chinese and one Croatian) What have you got to say exactly?!" I am in the same position (first 3 lines)..... and "how much do your jobs pay... can i apply???" | |||
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"Economically, immigration has always been a positive for this country. Some people just don't like immigrants so the economic argument just does not matter. Our blame culture has its scapegoat, if it wasn't immigrants it would be the poor. " and the dirty secret a lot of people don't like talking about is that a lot of them do the jobs the home population often turn their noses up at..... | |||
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"Anyone who wants to come to this country, work, pay their taxes and can contribute to it should be accepted with open arms. Everyone else should be told to **** off. The tree huggers and left wingers will no doubt adopt their normal stance of insults and accusations of facism for any individual who doesn't agree with their accept all policy." Indeed from April 2017 anyone from outside EU must be earning at least £41K plus £1000 company fee + health insurance to even be considered for a visa | |||
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"I guess it depends on how we define immigrants! When I talk to people they often confuse immigrants with refugees, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants. The latter being separate issues. I'm the daughter of immigrants who came here looking for work. They found it and paid their way in society. Incidentally, before my recent unemployment, one of my roles was to support young men into work and it was gob smacking! The number of clients who would not apply for jobs because they wouldn't be instantly getting 20K plus a year was gob smacking. We've taught our young people that bling, instant riches and fame is more important than working hard. I think the Kardashians are to blame! . What's 20k in this country though!!. Your coming out with 300 a week ish. The average house price is 180k.. Let's say your renting, the average rent is now 100 a week. Your not exactly living like the kardasians on that money!. People always fucking bang on about UK people not getting out of bed for this or that but honestly, your not living a life of luxury on 20k. Sure if you wanna live 12 to a room like many immigrants are found doing, if you bring in your car that doesn't need road tax or an mot in this country, if you bring in your untaxed fags and booze by the boot load like many immigrants do and send your money home to a country that has a tenth of your cost of living.... Then sure you can live OK on 20k. But take it from me as I've meet and worked with hundreds of immigrants who do exactly that... It's still not a great way to live!!! I'm talking about 16, 17 year olds who refuse to get out of bed for anything less with very few qualifications and no work experience. They want to be rich and they want it immediately. Their aspirations are to be rappers, reality stars etc. " . Your in full time eduction until 18 but that aside... Who gave them this belief?. Get rich or die trying,I don't think it's one thing in particular but blaming somebody for not doing a job that pays shit is a problem, having not enough people trained to do certain jobs is a problem, having children leave schools after 14 years of education without qualifications is a problem.... allowing unlimited immigration to get round those problems is no solution, it's just a sticking plaster on yet another problem that government thinks is to hard to tackle!. If permanent and constant immigration is the solution then where does it end?? | |||
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" Indeed from April 2017 anyone from outside EU must be earning at least £41K plus £1000 company fee + health insurance to even be considered for a visa " i know that some schools and hospitals are worried as they may lose staff.... so there may end up being exemptions made to this..... | |||
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"Anyone who wants to come to this country, work, pay their taxes and can contribute to it should be accepted with open arms. Everyone else should be told to **** off. The tree huggers and left wingers will no doubt adopt their normal stance of insults and accusations of facism for any individual who doesn't agree with their accept all policy." . I'm a tree hugger and a left winger... Yeah emotive language, that should do the trick  | |||
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"Anyone who wants to come to this country, work, pay their taxes and can contribute to it should be accepted with open arms. Everyone else should be told to **** off. The tree huggers and left wingers will no doubt adopt their normal stance of insults and accusations of facism for any individual who doesn't agree with their accept all policy.. I'm a tree hugger and a left winger... Yeah emotive language, that should do the trick "I wonder if he has just inadvertantly admitted to being a daily mail reader.... i know.... the shame!!!!! | |||
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"Economically, immigration has always been a positive for this country. Some people just don't like immigrants so the economic argument just does not matter. Our blame culture has its scapegoat, if it wasn't immigrants it would be the poor. and the dirty secret a lot of people don't like talking about is that a lot of them do the jobs the home population often turn their noses up at..... "Economically before it has yes but when before have we seen anything like the numbers that we are seeing now year after year? It is nothing to do with blame and scapegoats and not liking immigrants, it's to do with the numbers. And another dirty secret if you are going down that road is that a lot of them will do jobs that the home population are willing to do but they will do it for less. Ask any tradesman | |||
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"Economically, immigration has always been a positive for this country. Some people just don't like immigrants so the economic argument just does not matter. Our blame culture has its scapegoat, if it wasn't immigrants it would be the poor. and the dirty secret a lot of people don't like talking about is that a lot of them do the jobs the home population often turn their noses up at.....
Economically before it has yes but when before have we seen anything like the numbers that we are seeing now year after year? It is nothing to do with blame and scapegoats and not liking immigrants, it's to do with the numbers.
And another dirty secret if you are going down that road is that a lot of them will do jobs that the home population are willing to do but they will do it for less. Ask any tradesman"but the problem with that assumption is that,actually...scrap that, lets call it irony, even ukip admitted in their own general election manifesto, their points system would still allow tradesmen such as plumbers and electricians and bricklayers and builders to come in... because otherwise the country would have a shortage...... they would come under the title of "skilled workers" | |||
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"Economically, immigration has always been a positive for this country. Some people just don't like immigrants so the economic argument just does not matter. Our blame culture has its scapegoat, if it wasn't immigrants it would be the poor. and the dirty secret a lot of people don't like talking about is that a lot of them do the jobs the home population often turn their noses up at.....
Economically before it has yes but when before have we seen anything like the numbers that we are seeing now year after year? It is nothing to do with blame and scapegoats and not liking immigrants, it's to do with the numbers.
And another dirty secret if you are going down that road is that a lot of them will do jobs that the home population are willing to do but they will do it for less. Ask any tradesman"The 'numbers' as you put it does not change the fact that economically it is a positive for the country....before and now. If you don't like the numbers then it's not because of the economics it's because of something else. It's not a 'dirty secret' that some tradesmen have been out priced for work, it's an open fact. I remember when we had a real shortage of plumbers and electricians in this country, it was a nightmare trying to find a plumber to do a small domestic job, as a result they could charge whatever they wanted. Not anymore! | |||
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".......is it really or is that what "they" want you to think? x"Immigration is Not dividing Britain the red top press is going on about it! | |||
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"Schrödinger's Immigrant; Simultaneously stealing your job whilst too lazy to work.... Make up your mind peeps! "I am at this moment standing giving this post a round of applause | |||
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"I don't think it is. Same as Europe. I don't really know anyone who actually gave a shit about it until they were told that it was the BIGGEST ISSUE imaginable and the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION they would ever face. Maybe I'm sheltered by being middle class and in the north, but immigration has pretty much zero impact on my life, positive or negative. It's has a huge impact in the south east and as housing etc costs continue to rise down here, these economic movements will move further north. It definitely has impact here as I work for a housing association and a high proportion applying for housing are foreign, mostly Polish plus I am job hunting again and a much higher number applying for jobs than 2 years ago. How many get a house ?" 9/10 are successful with accommodation though they are happy to have a flat | |||
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"Anyone who wants to come to this country, work, pay their taxes and can contribute to it should be accepted with open arms. Everyone else should be told to **** off. The tree huggers and left wingers will no doubt adopt their normal stance of insults and accusations of facism for any individual who doesn't agree with their accept all policy.. I'm a tree hugger and a left winger... Yeah emotive language, that should do the trick
I wonder if he has just inadvertantly admitted to being a daily mail reader.... i know.... the shame!!!!!"Whoa. There's no need to be abusive and foul mouthed. I most certainly do NOT read the Daily Mail. | |||
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"Economically, immigration has always been a positive for this country. Some people just don't like immigrants so the economic argument just does not matter. Our blame culture has its scapegoat, if it wasn't immigrants it would be the poor. and the dirty secret a lot of people don't like talking about is that a lot of them do the jobs the home population often turn their noses up at.....
Economically before it has yes but when before have we seen anything like the numbers that we are seeing now year after year? It is nothing to do with blame and scapegoats and not liking immigrants, it's to do with the numbers.
And another dirty secret if you are going down that road is that a lot of them will do jobs that the home population are willing to do but they will do it for less. Ask any tradesman
The 'numbers' as you put it does not change the fact that economically it is a positive for the country....before and now.
If you don't like the numbers then it's not because of the economics it's because of something else.
It's not a 'dirty secret' that some tradesmen have been out priced for work, it's an open fact.
I remember when we had a real shortage of plumbers and electricians in this country, it was a nightmare trying to find a plumber to do a small domestic job, as a result they could charge whatever they wanted. Not anymore!"If I don't like the numbers its not because of economics? Its because of what then exactly? | |||
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"See this is where I get lost on immigration and Sustainability?. . So I get that you'll need to use immigration and to an extent emigration from time to time as a country. Now if were now presuming that we need immigration to fill jobs that "natives" can't/won't do and that creates a growth on gdp meaning more immigration needed, causing an exponential curve. So where do you stop?, I mean were increasing at a rate of about 1 Coventry per year? Is this a constant, is it one Coventry a year forever?. If you start tailing off immigration once on that path, does that mean your going down a deflationary path like Japan?. I'm a Sustainability junky, if it's not sustainable I'm against it and I just don't see how long term mass immigration fits for me." Exactly. Are these people so blind or ignorant? It just creates an economic bubble in the short term. When these millions retire, who pays the pension/benefits? Who looks after them and treats them? More immigrants? Then who looks after and pays for those immigrants? More immigrants? And on it goes until it can go no more. Its like the banks lending and lending to make the figures look good. In the end it comes crashing down. Strangely enough the people who endorse mass immigration are actually the ones who don't give a fuck about them. They obviously haven't stopped to think of the consequences  | |||
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