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"I agree with Mr Gove on his comments about the way the Remain camp have been conducting their campaign." What about the way the leave campaign has based their campaign on terrorism and immigration? Cal | |||
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"I agree with Mr Gove on his comments about the way the Remain camp have been conducting their campaign. I feel that the PM, in his various messages on the subject, has been treating us like idiots - and this, I feel, is why he is likely to lose the referendum." It would be a sad reflection on those potentially making their most important voting decision if they did so based on anything other than intellectual analysis. Voting due to the tone of a known spin merchant is tragic. | |||
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"Our fate is in your hands , Choose wisely my child" Oi! Get your grubby mitts off my bits! | |||
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"I find myself semi-agreeing with Gove on something and there is a nasty taste in my mouth! The ONLY thing this referendum is about is Sovereignty. The question is do we stay in and continue to slowly seed power to Brussels or do we leave and return power to Westminster?" Actually sovereignty is nothing whatsoever to do with the EU and is not under threat from the EU; Any perceived loss of sovereignty is down purely to the ineptitude of Westminster, and the complete disinterest by our politicians; they nod through any EU law; when our government and parliament ( as with any other EU country's government ) has every right to debate and vote on it all; they just don't bother. Neither do our ministers ( who sit on the Council of ministers, ) bother to debate many of the EU proposals ( nothing can be proposed in the EU unless the Council of ministers has agred it can go forward . | |||
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"Both sides of the argument have been nothing but petty name callers. Not one has offered up any real hard facts which is making it really difficult to make an actual I formed decision. Sadly many will vote with their heart over there head anyways so maybe that's what they have realised. " Surely you can find a better source for your information than a swinging site forum? There's tonnes of articles on the Internet to inform your decision. | |||
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"Both sides of the argument have been nothing but petty name callers. Not one has offered up any real hard facts which is making it really difficult to make an actual I formed decision. Sadly many will vote with their heart over there head anyways so maybe that's what they have realised. Surely you can find a better source for your information than a swinging site forum? There's tonnes of articles on the Internet to inform your decision. " Really? I never though to check the Internet  Oh that's right, all the articles out there are hear say, guess work and shouting at each other. Either side is still lacking any real information | |||
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"Both sides of the argument have been nothing but petty name callers. Not one has offered up any real hard facts which is making it really difficult to make an actual I formed decision. Sadly many will vote with their heart over there head anyways so maybe that's what they have realised. " Thats because the truth is no matter which way we vote it will have no impact on the economy other than that which will be driven by the profiteering bagmen of the international financial markets who will size on any result as an excuse to dump shares destabilising the British and European economies to make a quick buck in a bear market by buying them back at a much lower value. | |||
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"Both sides of the argument have been nothing but petty name callers. Not one has offered up any real hard facts which is making it really difficult to make an actual I formed decision. Sadly many will vote with their heart over there head anyways so maybe that's what they have realised. Thats because the truth is no matter which way we vote it will have no impact on the economy other than that which will be driven by the profiteering bagmen of the international financial markets who will size on any result as an excuse to dump shares destabilising the British and European economies to make a quick buck in a bear market by buying them back at a much lower value." I think your suggesting we stay so they don't profit from our loss ..so I'm with you on that one vote to stay in .. | |||
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"Michael Gove? .... a hard line extreme right wing totalitarian is painting himself to be some kind of freedom fighter for civil liberty against a self serving beauracracy? is this not the ultimate irony?! "Not really. Every extremist totalitarian right wing, left wing or religious wraps themselves in the flag they think will gain them most support in their bid for power. | |||
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"I think the OP should just make his own mind up in his own time...preferably elsewhere and leave us out of it" Pssst; you don't have to comment on this tread (you do understand that) don't you? silly person  | |||
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"Michael Gove? .... a hard line extreme right wing totalitarian is painting himself to be some kind of freedom fighter for civil liberty against a self serving beauracracy? is this not the ultimate irony?! "Exactly. The liberation of which he speaks is the liberation of the Tory party from EU restrictions which prevent them all out war on anyone who is not over-privileged. | |||
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"The Economy The Exciting New World Outside the European Union With every new EU regulation and with every extra pound paid into the E U’s coffers, Britain’s EU membership is an increasingly bad deal. I do not know of any cost-benefit study that shows EU membership actually benefits Britain. On the contrary, they vie with each other to show how costly, and increasingly costly, membership is. The country needs a new relationship with the EU A free trade relationship for Britain and the EU When we set up Global Vision in 2007, we focused on the economic case for an EFTA/Swiss-style relationship with the EU based on trade and mutually beneficial co-operation. We understand that trade with the EU countries is important to Britain but, under a free trade relationship with the EU, this would continue. There is not a shred of evidence to show that trade would be blocked – just look at Germany’s trade surplus with us But we do not need the single Market, which is still widely misunderstood in this country as a free trade area. It is not a free trade area. It is a highly regulated market based on the notion of “harmonization”. And the costs of the Single Market’s regulations far outweigh the benefits. We do not need the EU’s Custom’s Union either, an idea as dated as drainpipe trousers and beehive hairstyles. Indeed we would be better off outside the Custom’s Union. We would then be free to choose the countries we wanted to negotiate special trade deals with, rather than rely on Brussels to decide for us. This negotiating freedom is a huge potential boon for this country. It is too often overlooked. Much is, rightly, made of the savings we would make if we left the EU. But too little is made of the potential prizes if were free to negotiate our own trade deals. Yet these potential prizes are the really exciting aspect of leaving the EU in the rapidly changing 21st-century global economy, where Europe will inevitably shrink in relative importance. They could transform the economic prospects of this country. Free to trade: the importance of the Commonwealth The US, which is UK’s largest trading partner by a substantial margin, and the biggest investor in the UK by a mile, would be an obvious candidate. But so would be the Commonwealth nations whose economic potential is quite special, not least of all because of the Indian economy, which is clocking up annual growth rates of 7-8 per cent. The Indian Diaspora, well represented here in the UK, adds to the excitement of the Commonwealth’s economic prospects and its relevance to Britain. And the Commonwealth is open for trade and economic cooperation. Commonwealth leaders issued the historic ‘Edinburgh Communique’, following a Commonwealth heads of government meeting (CHOGM), in 1997. It was a masterly and inspired document that outlined the objectives of the Commonwealth relating to increased trade and investment opportunities and also, crucially, to development issues. The individual Commonwealth nations were, of course, left to decide which policies they should implement in order to achieve the Edinburgh objectives. The Commonwealth Business Council, which should be far better known in Britain than it is, was established in 1997 following the meeting. The contrast between the Edinburgh Communiques flexible, bottom-up approach and the top-down, inflexible and heavily regulated directive-driven processes of the EU, a regional bloc in relative decline, could not be starker The Commonwealth nations, taken together are an economic colossus comprising some 15 per cent of world GDP, 54 member states and two billion citizens. They will inevitably become more powerful. The Commonwealth spans five continents and contains developed, emerging and developing economies. The Commonwealth in it’s richness and diversity mirrors today’s global economy in a way that the EU simply cannot start to aspire to. It is the future, not a curious relic of empire. Moreover, other Commonwealth countries see this when we do not, blinded as we are by our masochistic attachment to the EU and its Single Market. The attitude of Canada for example, is altogether more enlightened. “Commonwealth Advantage” is a go-ahead Canadian organisation with the objectives of creating new trade opportunities and strengthening ties with other Commonwealth nations. Commonwealth advantage sees the Commonwealth as a true economic bloc, where the commonalities of language, law, accounting systems and business regulations can present a 15 per cent cost advantage over dealing with countries that are outside the Commonwealth And Kamal Nath, India’s Road Transport Minister and former Industry Minister, was quoted recently saying: “The Commonwealth is the ideal platform for business and trade… I hope that India’s ties with the Commonwealth will move from strength to strength, and that the new paradigm will only mean greater warmth, greater cooperation.” The “new paradigm are his words, not mine. The framework for Britain to raise its game in the Commonwealth is already in place. The institutions exist. Our Commonwealth partners are very willing partners. But we must be free of the EU’s restraints, bureaucratic, legalistic and psychological, if we are to make best of the opportunities open to us. Making the best of these opportunities would benefit everyone in the Commonwealth " Unfortunately, all wishful thinking; The "commonwealth" is no longer of any real global importance; commonwealth nations are truly only interested, because being linked to UK it eases their path into the EU; with UK out, they will bypass UK and deal directly with the EU. Likewise the US; I dread to see what UK's trade will look like once it leaves the EU; " 5th largest economy"? Err right, but so far behind the EU as a whole that it will become invisible.... And will have to hang onto the coat tails of EFTA to get any leverage back into the EU. | |||
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"I find myself semi-agreeing with Gove on something and there is a nasty taste in my mouth! The ONLY thing this referendum is about is Sovereignty. The question is do we stay in and continue to slowly seed power to Brussels or do we leave and return power to Westminster?" I think "power" is always in the hands of someone else, it doesnt really matter if they are in the town hall, Westminster or Brussels. There has been a lot of power handed to local authorities by this government. To those who want to leave because of the democratic deficit of the EU I would ask, can you name 3 local counsellors? They probably have more of an impact on your daily lives, and I know that I cant even name one! | |||
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"Michael Gove? .... a hard line extreme right wing totalitarian is painting himself to be some kind of freedom fighter for civil liberty against a self serving beauracracy? is this not the ultimate irony?!
Exactly. The liberation of which he speaks is the liberation of the Tory party from EU restrictions which prevent them all out war on anyone who is not over-privileged. "Yes indeed. It's no accident that the government's Remain campaign barely mentions the wonderful benefits that membership of the EU brings us in terms of social protections - they want to get rid of them, after all. | |||
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"It's so funny watching this now. Verbatim agreements with the same big hitters and scare stories, mass media pushes - from the same people who were throwing them at Scotland. Carlsberg don't make Irony... D F"  | |||
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"Hello all, at the beginning of the year, David Cameron said that unless his demands for reform of the EU are met he will recommend that we leave. No mention then of all this economic woe and disaster, ' a leap into the unknown' as he now says. Renard, you are mistaken, EU directives are passed by our parliament as they have no option to nor any say in their formation. The EU commission have no intention of putting their ideas into any democratic process. I will say that our government, at times, enhances a directive where other EU countries blatantly disregard many of the rules, but that's not the U.K. way. Leave, and lets regain our fishing grounds, reinstate our local abattoirs, resume dredging our rivers, all stopped in the past by the EU. Alec " totally untrue post .its how each eu member interprets the rules and reg ..i can tell you Spain interprets and implements them differently to the UK..lets look at fishing ground and quoters will be decided by the ministry of agriculture farming and fisheries ..an un elected body of people ..likely to be any change due to leaving nope.... due to overfishing limiting fishing catches will remain just a different body giving orders ..dredging rivers was a uk government decision to save money abattoirs closed by local authorities..not the EU ..so no real benefit to leaving | |||
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" Renard, you are mistaken, EU directives are passed by our parliament as they have no option to nor any say in their formation. The EU commission have no intention of putting their ideas into any democratic process. I will say that our government, at times, enhances a directive where other EU countries blatantly disregard many of the rules, but that's not the U.K. way. Leave, and lets regain our fishing grounds, reinstate our local abattoirs, resume dredging our rivers, all stopped in the past by the EU. Alec " Sorry but I am not mistaken: EU directives cannot be formulated until the council of ministers ( which includes our own elected ministers) have agreed them. They cannot be enforced in each country until that country's parliament has approved them: Admittedly, Countries which fail to approve them can be " punished" in various ways; but the idea is that the Council of ministers will negotiate them into a form that national parliaments will approve. In addition, many are measures which our government wants to introduce themselves; sometimes ones that they know will not be popular; often they are using the " EU forced us" excuse to shift the onus onto the EU and shift the " blame". In addition, many directives are open to individual countries to implement and interpret in their own ways; the UK government tends to " over implement" and add onto directives . As for abbatoirs , that was a deliberate act by UK government, which did not need to be done ( but which they did by enhancing a perfectly sensible EU regulation. Where I live, we have local abbatoirs ; just as UK used to have; and they are perfectly legal, and EU compliant, and doing well; river dredging is a UK govt decision; in fact the UK could have got funding from the EU for it, but chose not to (my local river is managed with quite a good injection of EU cash), The U.K. Gave away it's fishing rights; and failed to exploit the EU regulations which could have boosted the UK fishing industry immensely.... It is so easy to blame the EU for everything, when actually the UK government has fucjed up badly over many years. Same with migrant workers from the EU, and allowances; YK doesn't have to give them allowances immediately; it can demand that their country of origin supports them ( by reimbursing the UK) for awhile . That's what happens in other EU countries; you have the right to live and work over here in Europe, but you don't qualify for immediate allowances until after a certain time, and usually until you have a job and start paying the taxes and social charges here. That's how the French do it, and the Getmans; and it complies with EU regulations; but the UK could do the same, but doesn't, for some reason, saying " the nasty EU makes us do it!" Bollocks . | |||
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seems pointless to continue reading your further examples if you grasp of international affairs is so weak. | |||
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"lets go through the list ... Afghanistan .... soooo, afghanistan is doing fine is it?
seems pointless to continue reading your further examples if you grasp of international affairs is so weak."totally agree his grasp of who is doing well in his list of countries must surely be limited ...many are third world ...does he wish us to join that group? | |||
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"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants." We need a strong UK government to protect our boarders in or out of the EU ....NOT the French | |||
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"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants. We need a strong UK government to protect our boarders in or out of the EU ....NOT the French " borders I know before the spelling Nazis crawl out | |||
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"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants. We need a strong UK government to protect our boarders in or out of the EU ....NOT the French borders I know before the spelling Nazis crawl out " That is right, the gov needs to toughen up, they could get some tips from the slavic countries on how they do it. Cos they are the only countries in the eu with no problems. | |||
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"lets go through the list ... Afghanistan .... soooo, afghanistan is doing fine is it?
seems pointless to continue reading your further examples if you grasp of international affairs is so weak."Perhaps you have not worked out the above was a full list of non EU countries . now you can then pick and choose from the list, obviously you chose not to look at the countries doing well for themselves and base the UK on Afghanistan, . In saying that, look at how many large countries tried to tame Afghanistan and failed best you stay safe all wrapped up inside the EU | |||
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"ask yourself a question.....has the eu done much for us ,we keep being told its getting better but in last 20 yrs seems worse......could leaving be any worse???" absolutely not, especially when you work for an American Oil Company | |||
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"100% voting out. " Me too....and everyone i know. | |||
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"100% voting out. Me too....and everyone i know." | |||
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"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants." I didn't realise they did, i thought they just looked the other way, shrugging their shoulders and saying piff paff puff (in a french accent), whilst huge migrant camps spring up around them. | |||
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"I find myself semi-agreeing with Gove on something and there is a nasty taste in my mouth! The ONLY thing this referendum is about is Sovereignty. The question is do we stay in and continue to slowly seed power to Brussels or do we leave and return power to Westminster?" Leave and regain our sovereignty, free ourselves from the restrictive shackles of the EU. Vote for something positive on June 23rd. Vote for freedom and democracy. | |||
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"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants." Sorry shag but that's just scaremongering rubbish from the remainians. The border controls between Britain and France has nothing to do with the EU it is a bilateral agreement called the treaty of Le Touquet. The French interior minister said their are no plans to scrap the Treaty of Le Touquet in the event Britain leaves the EU. Even if they did all we would have to do is tell the cross channel ferry companies and the Euro tunnel trains to thoroughly check anyone wanting to come here has the proper papers and documentation. If they don't then they don't get to board the ferry and they don't board the train. It is very simple and if we impose fines on the companies for each illegal immigrant they allow over you can bet your bottom dollar the checks will be thoroughly done so the companies don't lose profits through fines. Lastly any illegal immigrants arriving here we can simply send them back to France if we deem France to be a safe country it is perfectly legal under the Geneva convention according to head of the EU Jean Claude Juncker (at least that is what he effectively said when the deal was reached between The EU and Turkey on returning migrants from Greece to Turkey). | |||
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"100% voting out. Me too....and everyone i know. " same.
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies. However I would prefer to live under a Corbyn Labour administration than a Tory Brussels puppet. At least in five years we can vote in or out any government we don't like, but the EU commission we've got forever. No vote, no democracy. I fully understand that to a certain extent it is a bit of a leap in the dark but so is voting to remain. Who knows what the EU will morph into in the next few years/decades? In the 70's it was a "common market" In the 80's it was the EEC. Then the EU. So what next? I think it is only a matter of time before it is a full blown united states of Europe. Is that what you really want? Britain (or any other EU country for that matter) ruled by an unelected president with executive powers? It certainly isn't what I want for myself my kids and my grandkids. The EU machine has to be stopped for the benefit of every one in Europe and if the Brexit is the first domino to fall then bring it on. The EU must be destroyed." Exactly. | |||
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"I agree with Mr Gove on his comments about the way the Remain camp have been conducting their campaign. I feel that the PM, in his various messages on the subject, has been treating us like idiots - and this, I feel, is why he is likely to lose the referendum. It would be a sad reflection on those potentially making their most important voting decision if they did so based on anything other than intellectual analysis. Voting due to the tone of a known spin merchant is tragic." Which is why I might choose car colour. (See above)  | |||
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"lets go through the list ... Afghanistan .... soooo, afghanistan is doing fine is it?
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"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants. Sorry shag but that's just scaremongering rubbish from the remainians. The border controls between Britain and France has nothing to do with the EU it is a bilateral agreement called the treaty of Le Touquet. The French interior minister said their are no plans to scrap the Treaty of Le Touquet in the event Britain leaves the EU. Even if they did all we would have to do is tell the cross channel ferry companies and the Euro tunnel trains to thoroughly check anyone wanting to come here has the proper papers and documentation. If they don't then they don't get to board the ferry and they don't board the train. It is very simple and if we impose fines on the companies for each illegal immigrant they allow over you can bet your bottom dollar the checks will be thoroughly done so the companies don't lose profits through fines. Lastly any illegal immigrants arriving here we can simply send them back to France if we deem France to be a safe country it is perfectly legal under the Geneva convention according to head of the EU Jean Claude Juncker (at least that is what he effectively said when the deal was reached between The EU and Turkey on returning migrants from Greece to Turkey). " One country can't just deem another to be a safe country. The proposed receiving country has to agree to take someone who is being deported. | |||
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies. However I would prefer to live under a Corbyn Labour administration than a Tory Brussels puppet. At least in five years we can vote in or out any government we don't like, but the EU commission we've got forever. No vote, no democracy. I fully understand that to a certain extent it is a bit of a leap in the dark but so is voting to remain. Who knows what the EU will morph into in the next few years/decades? In the 70's it was a "common market" In the 80's it was the EEC. Then the EU. So what next? I think it is only a matter of time before it is a full blown united states of Europe. Is that what you really want? Britain (or any other EU country for that matter) ruled by an unelected president with executive powers? It certainly isn't what I want for myself my kids and my grandkids. The EU machine has to be stopped for the benefit of every one in Europe and if the Brexit is the first domino to fall then bring it on. The EU must be destroyed." Says the person who has residence in Germany/Spain. | |||
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies. However I would prefer to live under a Corbyn Labour administration than a Tory Brussels puppet. At least in five years we can vote in or out any government we don't like, but the EU commission we've got forever. No vote, no democracy. I fully understand that to a certain extent it is a bit of a leap in the dark but so is voting to remain. Who knows what the EU will morph into in the next few years/decades? In the 70's it was a "common market" In the 80's it was the EEC. Then the EU. So what next? I think it is only a matter of time before it is a full blown united states of Europe. Is that what you really want? Britain (or any other EU country for that matter) ruled by an unelected president with executive powers? It certainly isn't what I want for myself my kids and my grandkids. The EU machine has to be stopped for the benefit of every one in Europe and if the Brexit is the first domino to fall then bring it on. The EU must be destroyed. Says the person who has residence in Germany/Spain. " The EU not Europe! What a stupid statement | |||
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies. However I would prefer to live under a Corbyn Labour administration than a Tory Brussels puppet. At least in five years we can vote in or out any government we don't like, but the EU commission we've got forever. No vote, no democracy. I fully understand that to a certain extent it is a bit of a leap in the dark but so is voting to remain. Who knows what the EU will morph into in the next few years/decades? In the 70's it was a "common market" In the 80's it was the EEC. Then the EU. So what next? I think it is only a matter of time before it is a full blown united states of Europe. Is that what you really want? Britain (or any other EU country for that matter) ruled by an unelected president with executive powers? It certainly isn't what I want for myself my kids and my grandkids. The EU machine has to be stopped for the benefit of every one in Europe and if the Brexit is the first domino to fall then bring it on. The EU must be destroyed. Says the person who has residence in Germany/Spain. The EU not Europe! What a stupid statement" It's a bit of a liberty for you to call any statement stupid. The total hypocrisy of someone living in the EU to come up with such crap is ludicrous. If it's so bad in the EU how can he possibly bear to live in any of its countries apart from the beloved UK. | |||
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"Although vote out means siding with Farage and UKIP /BNP . Side with nazis never " What is nazi an abreviation for? Is a nazi worse than a communist? | |||
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"Although vote out means siding with Farage and UKIP /BNP . Side with nazis never " The most stupid comment i have read on the EU topic. | |||
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"Although vote out means siding with Farage and UKIP /BNP . Side with nazis never The most stupid comment i have read on the EU topic." You've not read enough of the Brexit literature, there's plenty there for you. | |||
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"Although vote out means siding with Farage and UKIP /BNP . Side with nazis never The most stupid comment i have read on the EU topic. You've not read enough of the Brexit literature, there's plenty there for you." 10 year's in 3 para...serving my country...i'm no nazi because i want to vote out. | |||
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Nazi-short for National Socialist German Workers Party
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies. However I would prefer to live under a Corbyn Labour administration than a Tory Brussels puppet. At least in five years we can vote in or out any government we don't like, but the EU commission we've got forever. No vote, no democracy. I fully understand that to a certain extent it is a bit of a leap in the dark but so is voting to remain. Who knows what the EU will morph into in the next few years/decades? In the 70's it was a "common market" In the 80's it was the EEC. Then the EU. So what next? I think it is only a matter of time before it is a full blown united states of Europe. Is that what you really want? Britain (or any other EU country for that matter) ruled by an unelected president with executive powers? It certainly isn't what I want for myself my kids and my grandkids. The EU machine has to be stopped for the benefit of every one in Europe and if the Brexit is the first domino to fall then bring it on. The EU must be destroyed. Says the person who has residence in Germany/Spain. The EU not Europe! What a stupid statement It's a bit of a liberty for you to call any statement stupid. The total hypocrisy of someone living in the EU to come up with such crap is ludicrous. If it's so bad in the EU how can he possibly bear to live in any of its countries apart from the beloved UK." Why you do not know me, you do not know anything about me other than my opinions on here. You just love to get personal when you know damn well you've lost the argument. You really are a very nasty piece of work. | |||
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"Although vote out means siding with Farage and UKIP /BNP . Side with nazis never " ...and voting to remain means siding with the liar and war criminal Tony Blair, the odious "Prince of Darkness" Peter Mandelson, the political wing of the IRA Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, the people who want to break up the united Kingdom Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon and the rest of the SNP, the tax dodging multi national companies like Google, the greedy bankers who fucked all the tax payers over in the global economic crash in 2008, George Osbourne who wanted to cut disability benefits, and Dodgy David Cameron who preaches about British values which stomping all over the key British value of a sense of fair pay sending out one sided propoganda leaflets funded by the taxpayer, and taking the moral highground on tax evasion/avoidence when he had monay in an offshore account in Pananma, President Obama the hypocrite who tells us we should surrender British sovereignty to Brussels, when he would never dream of surrendering American sovereignty to anyone. I could go on, but i think you get the general idea now. | |||
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies. However I would prefer to live under a Corbyn Labour administration than a Tory Brussels puppet. At least in five years we can vote in or out any government we don't like, but the EU commission we've got forever. No vote, no democracy. I fully understand that to a certain extent it is a bit of a leap in the dark but so is voting to remain. Who knows what the EU will morph into in the next few years/decades? In the 70's it was a "common market" In the 80's it was the EEC. Then the EU. So what next? I think it is only a matter of time before it is a full blown united states of Europe. Is that what you really want? Britain (or any other EU country for that matter) ruled by an unelected president with executive powers? It certainly isn't what I want for myself my kids and my grandkids. The EU machine has to be stopped for the benefit of every one in Europe and if the Brexit is the first domino to fall then bring it on. The EU must be destroyed. Says the person who has residence in Germany/Spain. You've never quoted the person from Fuerteventura (canaries) posting on this thread, or someone else who regularly posts on EU threads from Cap'de Agde, and questioned as to where they live? Maybe because they support the EU, but nevermind it just highlights your Hypocrisy all the more for everyone to see. "I'm pretty sure you don't know what hypocrisy means, but if you look it up you'll realise what you just typed is a bit silly. | |||
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"Just watching press preview on sky news, on the front page of many newspapers tomorrow Jean Claude Juncker admits the EU does meddle too much in the affairs of individual nation states. Well no shit sherlock, why on earth has he only just seemingly realised this or chose to go public with it? Either way I think his admission that the EU meddles to much in our affairs should only strengthen the case to leave and take back full control of our own affairs. Also just on sky news the head of Europol Rob Wainwright saying Europol are not confident all of the members of the recent terror attacks in Paris and Brussels have been apprehend and there could be more of them still on the loose in Europe. With free movement of people in Europe if they have access to EU passports it's anyone's guess where they could be? Again anther case to vote leave and take back control of our borders. " If we leave the EU and pull up the drawbridge, do you think the market will be flooded with Brexiters selling their holiday homes in Europe because they're terrified of using them? | |||
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"The same who Gove who says that the stay campaign is treating the public like idiots; yet he and his leave campaign have not even bothered to give the public one actual reason to follow them out into the political wilderness that will ensue if we do vote to leave My God we must be a fickle nation if we do follow him, bojo and farage He does nnot need to give a reason as Camaron and Osbourne are doing it with there mystical figures taken from thin air. Also do you not realise that it is about independence rather more than guesswork economics" Mystical figures from the air?
Granted there are lot of assumptions being made to make to make the figures; however it only takes say 1% of them to come true for the outlook to look worse. Can I ask what you're exactly seeking independence from though? In what way do you personally feel like you're being ruled on by the European union? | |||
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"The same who Gove who says that the stay campaign is treating the public like idiots; yet he and his leave campaign have not even bothered to give the public one actual reason to follow them out into the political wilderness that will ensue if we do vote to leave My God we must be a fickle nation if we do follow him, bojo and farage He does nnot need to give a reason as Camaron and Osbourne are doing it with there mystical figures taken from thin air. Also do you not realise that it is about independence rather more than guesswork economics Mystical figures from the air?
Granted there are lot of assumptions being made to make to make the figures; however it only takes say 1% of them to come true for the outlook to look worse. Can I ask what you're exactly seeking independence from though? In what way do you personally feel like you're being ruled on by the European union?"What is a figure made from assumption if not mythical? | |||
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"It's so funny watching this now. Verbatim agreements with the same big hitters and scare stories, mass media pushes - from the same people who were throwing them at Scotland. Carlsberg don't make Irony... F" I would suggest that Scotland and Europe are two different things... | |||
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" If we leave the EU and pull up the drawbridge, do you think the market will be flooded with Brexiters selling their holiday homes in Europe because they're terrified of using them? Why would they be terrified to use their European homes? You can still live and work in Europe being outside the EU, there are always ways and means, no different from other non EU countries" So the fear of terrorism that centaur ukip raised won't be a significant factor? After all once project fantasy pulls up the drawbridge all those terrorists will be firmly locked outside the UK looking for targets in Europe. Life will be so much more dangerous there sensible people wouldn't want to holiday there or own property - a prime target.I'll be pleased to talk to any distressed sellers afraid of terror and predicting economic collapse in Europe and looking to move their property investments back to the safety of the uk. | |||
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What is a figure made from assumption if not mythical? "If they're logical assumptions they can be quite accurate... I know from my day job where forecasting plays a heavy relevance.... For some reason I now think that somebody is going to say that the treasury office or the office of budgetary responsibility aren't going to use logic.... Please prove me wrong | |||
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"The same who Gove who says that the stay campaign is treating the public like idiots; yet he and his leave campaign have not even bothered to give the public one actual reason to follow them out into the political wilderness that will ensue if we do vote to leave My God we must be a fickle nation if we do follow him, bojo and farage He does nnot need to give a reason as Camaron and Osbourne are doing it with there mystical figures taken from thin air. Also do you not realise that it is about independence rather more than guesswork economics Mystical figures from the air?
Granted there are lot of assumptions being made to make to make the figures; however it only takes say 1% of them to come true for the outlook to look worse. Can I ask what you're exactly seeking independence from though? In what way do you personally feel like you're being ruled on by the European union?
What is a figure made from assumption if not mythical?
If they're logical assumptions they can be quite accurate... I know from my day job where forecasting plays a heavy relevance....
For some reason I now think that somebody is going to say that the treasury office or the office of budgetary responsibility aren't going to use logic.... Please prove me wrong"Do you not think that if Cameron and Osborne wanted out then different assumptions would have been made to skew the figures in the other direction? It could have been done quite easily. | |||
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Granted there are lot of assumptions being made to make to make the figures; however it only takes say 1% of them to come true for the outlook to look worse. Can I ask what you're exactly seeking independence from though? In what way do you personally feel like you're being ruled on by the European union?
What is a figure made from assumption if not mythical?
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For some reason I now think that somebody is going to say that the treasury office or the office of budgetary responsibility aren't going to use logic.... Please prove me wrong
Do you not think that if Cameron and Osborne wanted out then different assumptions would have been made to skew the figures in the other direction? It could have been done quite easily. "Osbourne's figures are complete nonsense, even the pro EU BBC tore the figures to shreds under close scrutiny and analysis. George Osbourne is living in fantasy land if he thinks he can predict as far ahead as 2030. | |||
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"The same who Gove who says that the stay campaign is treating the public like idiots; yet he and his leave campaign have not even bothered to give the public one actual reason to follow them out into the political wilderness that will ensue if we do vote to leave My God we must be a fickle nation if we do follow him, bojo and farage He does nnot need to give a reason as Camaron and Osbourne are doing it with there mystical figures taken from thin air. Also do you not realise that it is about independence rather more than guesswork economics Mystical figures from the air?
Granted there are lot of assumptions being made to make to make the figures; however it only takes say 1% of them to come true for the outlook to look worse. Can I ask what you're exactly seeking independence from though? In what way do you personally feel like you're being ruled on by the European union?
What is a figure made from assumption if not mythical?
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For some reason I now think that somebody is going to say that the treasury office or the office of budgetary responsibility aren't going to use logic.... Please prove me wrong
Do you not think that if Cameron and Osborne wanted out then different assumptions would have been made to skew the figures in the other direction? It could have been done quite easily.
Osbourne's figures are complete nonsense, even the pro EU BBC tore the figures to shreds under close scrutiny and analysis. George Osbourne is living in fantasy land if he thinks he can predict as far ahead as 2030. "None of them know all of it what if and might happen! And then you have the likes of France and Germany trying to threaten the uk by saying they will do this and do that if we leave. Sounds like the rest of the eu is panicking about the uk leaving becaus then a lot of other countries will ever looking as well | |||
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"The problem I have with leaving the EU is, who will protect us from our own nasty government? They cannot be trusted." If we leave and the government behaves badly the country can remove the government at the next general election if a majority decides to do so. However there is no mechanism in place for the people of Europe to remove the EU commission, it doesn't matter how they behave they are unaccountable and unremovable. As it is now our government is subservient to the EU and EU law trumps UK law, Westminster is subservient to Brussels. It's better to leave and take back control of our own country. | |||
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"The problem I have with leaving the EU is, who will protect us from our own nasty government? They cannot be trusted. If we leave and the government behaves badly the country can remove the government at the next general election if a majority decides to do so. However there is no mechanism in place for the people of Europe to remove the EU commission, it doesn't matter how they behave they are unaccountable and unremovable. As it is now our government is subservient to the EU and EU law trumps UK law, Westminster is subservient to Brussels. It's better to leave and take back control of our own country. " The truth is that the elected MEPs in the European parliament can remove the commission isn't it? | |||
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"The problem I have with leaving the EU is, who will protect us from our own nasty government? They cannot be trusted. If we leave and the government behaves badly the country can remove the government at the next general election if a majority decides to do so. However there is no mechanism in place for the people of Europe to remove the EU commission, it doesn't matter how they behave they are unaccountable and unremovable. As it is now our government is subservient to the EU and EU law trumps UK law, Westminster is subservient to Brussels. It's better to leave and take back control of our own country. " eu commissioners last five yrs like our government .. As for being subservient that's lazy Westminster looking for someone to blame .. | |||
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"Have anyone thought what would happened as scotland want to be independent? try saying that again?They want to be on their own so to speak. So if leaving eu, would GB be split up?" The SNP think the majority of their voters want to vote to stay in EU The SNP members I have spoken to are voting to leave! Scotland would have to vote to remain in EU and the rest of the UK would have to vote to leave the EU for another Independence referendum and even then it will be the people of Scotland who decide, not the SNP | |||
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"Have anyone thought what would happened as scotland want to be independent? try saying that again?They want to be on their own so to speak. So if leaving eu, would GB be split up?" Scotland's part of the UK ( they had a referendum, remember?) so they have to do whatever the rest of UK does. If they later, have another referendum and leave the UK, then they will have to negotiate their own status within the EU ( if, for instance, UK has left, and they want to rejoin, or if the UK stays and Scotland leaves the UK, they will have to negotiate their own continuation as EU members independently) | |||
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"Have anyone thought what would happened as scotland want to be independent? try saying that again?They want to be on their own so to speak. So if leaving eu, would GB be split up?" Have you thought about how a country like Scotland thinks it can go it alone,but yet the UK will sink without trace. | |||
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"Have anyone thought what would happened as scotland want to be independent? try saying that again?They want to be on their own so to speak. So if leaving eu, would GB be split up? Have you thought about how a country like Scotland thinks it can go it alone,but yet the UK will sink without trace. " Scotland wouldn't be alone they would either remain part of the EU ir week to join eu therefore how would Scotland be alone ? The only alone would be the UK sunk without a trace no but ever falling behind Dominant countries .. | |||
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"Have anyone thought what would happened as scotland want to be independent? try saying that again?They want to be on their own so to speak. So if leaving eu, would GB be split up? Have you thought about how a country like Scotland thinks it can go it alone,but yet the UK will sink without trace. Scotland wouldn't be alone they would either remain part of the EU ir week to join eu therefore how would Scotland be alone ? The only alone would be the UK sunk without a trace no but ever falling behind Dominant countries .." You are presuming they would be allowed to join the EU. But why try for independence from one parliament,only to ruled by another..doesn't sound very independent to me. I'm for the stay in the EU..unless I'm persuaded otherwise. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life " The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed."Well said | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed."you must live in some sort of fantasy land where you take the facts and make you're version of the truth fit ...wake up and join reality and you will see the EU is not responsible for all the bad in the world !!!!!!!! | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed."I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
You must live in some sort of fantasy land where you take the facts and make your version of the truth fit. Wake up and join reality and you will see the EU is not responsible for all the bad in the world !!!!!!!!"It isn't responsible for all the bad in the world but a fair amount can be laid on its doorstep. My beef with the EU is it's unaccountability, where a bunch of unelected political placemen govern the lives of over 500 million people. It is out of date and not fit for purpose in the 21st century. The EU must be destroyed. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were."Come on. Is that the best you can do? I expected at least a ream of facts and figures. But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course."Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you? That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone? The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
"Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025. The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself | |||
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies." Well, you are obviously inept at it. If you were any good you'd at least be internally split and continually arguing with yourself. Maybe threatening yourself to change parties if you don't get what you want. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself "Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series. You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's Be careful what you wish for. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for."OK list the countries with % higher in EU and then countries Lower, | |||
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"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies. Well, you are obviously inept at it. If you were any good you'd at least be internally split and continually arguing with yourself. Maybe threatening yourself to change parties if you don't get what you want. "Brilliant | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for."Thanks you've just reinforced my argument. While the EU share has fallen the UK share of global gdp has risen from 2% in 2000 to 2.9% now. Without the shackles of the inward looking outdated EU we could have done and will do even better | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for.
OK list the countries with % higher in EU and then countries Lower, "You're the cut and paste person just get on with it. It doesn't change the uk's share of world gdp or the effect of a collapse in the uk. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for.
Thanks you've just reinforced my argument. While the EU share has fallen the UK share of global gdp has risen from 2% in 2000 to 2.9% now. Without the shackles of the inward looking outdated EU we could have done and will do even better "According to data freely available from the world bank the uk share of world gdp has fallen from 5.1% to 3.8% since 2006. That's a fall of 26%. EU share of world gdp has fallen from 30% to 23.7%. That's a fall of 21%. The relative fall of uk gdp is greater than for the eu as a whole over the period for which data is available - a 26% relative fall being bigger than a 21% fall in case you don't realise it. You could also say that the uk is dragging the eu down since its larger relative fall is included in the eu gdp figures. Anyway you carry on making things up. It's totally meaningless given that all it tells us is that poorer countries are growing gdp at a faster rate than wealthy countries. UK and EU trade volumes are increasing not falling. Only a fool would hope for eu economic failure. A bigger fool would believe it wouldn't drag the uk down with it whether in the EU or out. Be careful what you wish for in fantasy land. | |||
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"In your imagination Thank you project fantasy You carry on with project fear and project pessimism for the remain side. Fear and pessimism are what you peddle the whole time. Immigration, economic collapse, loss of sovereignty. .. like a broken record with your broken 19th century ideology. " The EU is a last century idea, it's now out of date, not fit for purpose in the modern world. An analogue union in a digital world (age). | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for.
Thanks you've just reinforced my argument. While the EU share has fallen the UK share of global gdp has risen from 2% in 2000 to 2.9% now. Without the shackles of the inward looking outdated EU we could have done and will do even better
According to data freely available from the world bank the uk share of world gdp has fallen from 5.1% to 3.8% since 2006. That's a fall of 26%. EU share of world gdp has fallen from 30% to 23.7%. That's a fall of 21%.
The relative fall of uk gdp is greater than for the eu as a whole over the period for which data is available - a 26% relative fall being bigger than a 21% fall in case you don't realise it.
You could also say that the uk is dragging the eu down since its larger relative fall is included in the eu gdp figures.
Anyway you carry on making things up. It's totally meaningless given that all it tells us is that poorer countries are growing gdp at a faster rate than wealthy countries. UK and EU trade volumes are increasing not falling.
Only a fool would hope for eu economic failure. A bigger fool would believe it wouldn't drag the uk down with it whether in the EU or out.
Be careful what you wish for in fantasy land.
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"In your imagination Thank you project fantasy You carry on with project fear and project pessimism for the remain side. Fear and pessimism are what you peddle the whole time. Immigration, economic collapse, loss of sovereignty. .. like a broken record with your broken 19th century ideology. The EU is a last century idea, it's now out of date, not fit for purpose in the modern world. An analogue union in a digital world (age). " Indeed it is a last century idea. Just as digital technology is. You and your mates are however stuck in 19th century jingoism. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for.
Thanks you've just reinforced my argument. While the EU share has fallen the UK share of global gdp has risen from 2% in 2000 to 2.9% now. Without the shackles of the inward looking outdated EU we could have done and will do even better
According to data freely available from the world bank the uk share of world gdp has fallen from 5.1% to 3.8% since 2006. That's a fall of 26%. EU share of world gdp has fallen from 30% to 23.7%. That's a fall of 21%.
The relative fall of uk gdp is greater than for the eu as a whole over the period for which data is available - a 26% relative fall being bigger than a 21% fall in case you don't realise it.
You could also say that the uk is dragging the eu down since its larger relative fall is included in the eu gdp figures.
Anyway you carry on making things up. It's totally meaningless given that all it tells us is that poorer countries are growing gdp at a faster rate than wealthy countries. UK and EU trade volumes are increasing not falling.
Only a fool would hope for eu economic failure. A bigger fool would believe it wouldn't drag the uk down with it whether in the EU or out.
Be careful what you wish for in fantasy land.
You have misunderstood the figures. So come on Einstein, if the other EU countries are doing so well, why are they all flocking here to work? Why is youth unemployment so tragically high throughout Europe? What is the EU doing to help them?"Come on Godfrey stick to the point. Go and have a look at the world bank gdp figures then point out where I've misunderstood them or let the world bank know that they've got them wrong. 2006 uk gdp $2588 billion 2006 eu gdp $15296 billion 2006 world gdp $51034 billion 2014 uk gdp $2988 billion 2014 eu gdp $18514 billion 2014 world gdp $77960 billion UK gdp as a fraction of world gdp drops from 5.1% to 3.8 % a relative fall of 26% EU gdp as a fraction of world gdp drops from 30% to 23.7% a smaller relative drop of 21%. UK gdp falls from 16.9% of eu gdp to 16.1% over the same period. Get your abacus out and see if you can do the arithmetic before you start ducking and diving. | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for.
Thanks you've just reinforced my argument. While the EU share has fallen the UK share of global gdp has risen from 2% in 2000 to 2.9% now. Without the shackles of the inward looking outdated EU we could have done and will do even better
According to data freely available from the world bank the uk share of world gdp has fallen from 5.1% to 3.8% since 2006. That's a fall of 26%. EU share of world gdp has fallen from 30% to 23.7%. That's a fall of 21%.
The relative fall of uk gdp is greater than for the eu as a whole over the period for which data is available - a 26% relative fall being bigger than a 21% fall in case you don't realise it.
You could also say that the uk is dragging the eu down since its larger relative fall is included in the eu gdp figures.
Anyway you carry on making things up. It's totally meaningless given that all it tells us is that poorer countries are growing gdp at a faster rate than wealthy countries. UK and EU trade volumes are increasing not falling.
Only a fool would hope for eu economic failure. A bigger fool would believe it wouldn't drag the uk down with it whether in the EU or out.
Be careful what you wish for in fantasy land.
You have misunderstood the figures. So come on Einstein, if the other EU countries are doing so well, why are they all flocking here to work? Why is youth unemployment so tragically high throughout Europe? What is the EU doing to help them?
Come on Godfrey stick to the point. Go and have a look at the world bank gdp figures then point out where I've misunderstood them or let the world bank know that they've got them wrong.
2006 uk gdp $2588 billion
2006 eu gdp $15296 billion
2006 world gdp $51034 billion
2014 uk gdp $2988 billion
2014 eu gdp $18514 billion
2014 world gdp $77960 billion
UK gdp as a fraction of world gdp drops from 5.1% to 3.8 % a relative fall of 26%
EU gdp as a fraction of world gdp drops from 30% to 23.7% a smaller relative drop of 21%.
UK gdp falls from 16.9% of eu gdp to 16.1% over the same period.
Get your abacus out and see if you can do the arithmetic before you start ducking and diving."If you think that the UK has ever held a 5% share of world GDP, well in our lifetimes anyway, then you really are living in fantasy land. | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? " well plenty of misinformed bollocks going about the EU commission doesn't unilaterally decide policies for Europe they are replace every 5 yrs ..lets go back to simplicity ........little fish get picked off in the sea of life ...UK alone little fish ..UK in European Union bigger fish better placed to survive ...enough said better IN than out | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? well plenty of misinformed bollocks going about the EU commission doesn't unilaterally decide policies for Europe they are replace every 5 yrs ..lets go back to simplicity ........little fish get picked off in the sea of life ...UK alone little fish ..UK in European Union bigger fish better placed to survive ...enough said better IN than out " How's the pound doing? | |||
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"I shall frame that. Coming from you it's a compliment. You're both a bully and a hypocrite. Enjoy your evening in Germany moaning about the eu and how bad it's been for you. Or perhaps you've driven to Spain to spend some time on your boat. Yes the eu has really fucked up your life The politics of envy is strong in this one.
I pretty sure that you calling me, or anyone else for that matter, a bully must be the greatest "dear pot signed kettle" moment in the history of this forum.
Has the EU fucked up my life? Hmmm maybe a bit. I would have liked a 36 footer but I'll just have to make do with the 24.
As for the destruction of the EU. I don't really think it matters where I live. The EU is an outdated concept and people throughout Europe are slowly beginning to realise what it is all about. Euro scepticism isn't just a British thing, it is on the rise throughout the continent.
The Dutch just told Brussels where to stick the idea of Ukraine joining. The Irish (first time around) and the (allegedly) Europhile French told them what to do with the constitution, but as usual the unelected eurocrats rode roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and just repackaged it as the "Lisbon Treaty" and even in Germany (although not a majority yet) euro scepticism is on the rise, just take a look at AFD's recent polls
Of course we must acknowledge the successes of the EU. You know like the one that kicked out the elected Greek government because it didn't follow the Brussels line. Or better still starting the war in Ukraine which led to the Russian annexation of Crimea and the deaths of 200 and odd innocent people when the Malaysian triple seven was blown out of the sky. Do some reading (particularly about Guy Verkhofstadt) all of that was down to EU expansionism by stealth.
You really are on the wrong side of history and, although you do not like it, you know damn well that the EU will go the same way as the Soviet Union. Into the history books as a classic example of political folly.
The EU must be destroyed.
I thought I could smell more hypocrisy and there you were.
Come on. Is that the best you can do?
I expected at least a ream of facts and figures.
But hey ho the usual personal insults are par for the course.
Yawn. You come here with 19th century jingoism and call the EU out of date? Carry on whingeing about it. You clearly have such high principles that you would never take advantage of any of the benefits it offers, would you?
That you and your thoughtless acolytes think that the collapse of the EU would be a good thing is at the extreme end of Brexit myopia - do you really think that a pan European economic failure would be good for anyone?
The stench of hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Pmsl. The EU is failing. Wake up! The EU's share of the worlds GDP has gone from 37% in 1973 to a forecast 22% by 2025.
The collapse of the EU would be a good thing for Europe. There is a big world out there you know, start thinking for yourself
Between 2006 and 2014 the UK's share of EU GDP has fallen from 16.9% to 16.1% - you can check that yourself in the World Bank's time series.
You should have a little think for yourself what that means. Then factor in that UK productivity has been falling whilst in other parts of Europe it's been rising. If you don't understand, that means that UK GDP as a percentage of world GDP is falling faster than the EU's
Be careful what you wish for.
Thanks you've just reinforced my argument. While the EU share has fallen the UK share of global gdp has risen from 2% in 2000 to 2.9% now. Without the shackles of the inward looking outdated EU we could have done and will do even better
According to data freely available from the world bank the uk share of world gdp has fallen from 5.1% to 3.8% since 2006. That's a fall of 26%. EU share of world gdp has fallen from 30% to 23.7%. That's a fall of 21%.
The relative fall of uk gdp is greater than for the eu as a whole over the period for which data is available - a 26% relative fall being bigger than a 21% fall in case you don't realise it.
You could also say that the uk is dragging the eu down since its larger relative fall is included in the eu gdp figures.
Anyway you carry on making things up. It's totally meaningless given that all it tells us is that poorer countries are growing gdp at a faster rate than wealthy countries. UK and EU trade volumes are increasing not falling.
Only a fool would hope for eu economic failure. A bigger fool would believe it wouldn't drag the uk down with it whether in the EU or out.
Be careful what you wish for in fantasy land.
You have misunderstood the figures. So come on Einstein, if the other EU countries are doing so well, why are they all flocking here to work? Why is youth unemployment so tragically high throughout Europe? What is the EU doing to help them?
Come on Godfrey stick to the point. Go and have a look at the world bank gdp figures then point out where I've misunderstood them or let the world bank know that they've got them wrong.
2006 uk gdp $2588 billion
2006 eu gdp $15296 billion
2006 world gdp $51034 billion
2014 uk gdp $2988 billion
2014 eu gdp $18514 billion
2014 world gdp $77960 billion
UK gdp as a fraction of world gdp drops from 5.1% to 3.8 % a relative fall of 26%
EU gdp as a fraction of world gdp drops from 30% to 23.7% a smaller relative drop of 21%.
UK gdp falls from 16.9% of eu gdp to 16.1% over the same period.
Get your abacus out and see if you can do the arithmetic before you start ducking and diving.
If you think that the UK has ever held a 5% share of world GDP, well in our lifetimes anyway, then you really are living in fantasy land. "Of course you know better than the world bank. Or didn't you bother to check your sources? | |||
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"I think this referendum is a bit like singing the Okey y. One min I feel like being in and the next I am out. Don't really like the EU but it's something that's been built behind our backs by the empire builders who want to lock us in to their view of european utopia. Even if we did vote to leave the margin would be so slender the country would slide into chaos. I'm not voting to leave because it's bound to mean unemployment will rise to 3 million again and there will be trouble on the streets. Is that a price worth paying for freedom. Nope. Strikes me as trying to shut the door after the horse has bolted with regards immigration as an argument. All to late. I think we've got to like it or lump it. Sorry Boris, you and your mate MG come across as a couple of upper class twits who talk a load of waffle and bull shit. You basically haven't got a clue what would happen if we voted to leave. The country voted to join this rotten organisation 40 years ago and that's that. Alter it from within is the only way forward." How? | |||
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"In your imagination Thank you project fantasy You carry on with project fear and project pessimism for the remain side. Fear and pessimism are what you peddle the whole time. Immigration, economic collapse, loss of sovereignty. .. like a broken record with your broken 19th century ideology. The EU is a last century idea, it's now out of date, not fit for purpose in the modern world. An analogue union in a digital world (age). Indeed it is a last century idea. Just as digital technology is. You and your mates are however stuck in 19th century jingoism." You are the one who is past 60 on this thread, set in your old fashioned ways and afraid or reluctant of any change. A change for the better, a positive and bright future for Britain outside of the EU. | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? " The Leave side appears on the whole to be the more passionate and more motivated side. Compare to the remain side message which on the whole seems to be a half hearted "We know the EU is a big steaming pile of shite, but we better stay in because the if we leave the EU will gang up against us and 'bad stuff' will happen" approach. Jeremy Corbyn didn't look at all remotely enthusiastic in his speech. When Micheal Gove said Britain is like a hostage in the back of the EU's car, same comparison Corbyn looked like a hostage in the back of the Labour party car when it comes to the EU. | |||
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"In your imagination Thank you project fantasy You carry on with project fear and project pessimism for the remain side. Fear and pessimism are what you peddle the whole time. Immigration, economic collapse, loss of sovereignty. .. like a broken record with your broken 19th century ideology. The EU is a last century idea, it's now out of date, not fit for purpose in the modern world. An analogue union in a digital world (age). Indeed it is a last century idea. Just as digital technology is. You and your mates are however stuck in 19th century jingoism. You are the one who is past 60 on this thread, set in your old fashioned ways and afraid or reluctant of any change. A change for the better, a positive and bright future for Britain outside of the EU. " But no actual idea on what the change is ? Do we follow a Norwegian model or a Canadian model or default to WTO template ? For me seeing the pound drop and a likely induced recession puts me off | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? The Leave side appears on the whole to be the more passionate and more motivated side. Compare to the remain side message which on the whole seems to be a half hearted "We know the EU is a big steaming pile of shite, but we better stay in because the if we leave the EU will gang up against us and 'bad stuff' will happen" approach. Jeremy Corbyn didn't look at all remotely enthusiastic in his speech. When Micheal Gove said Britain is like a hostage in the back of the EU's car, same comparison Corbyn looked like a hostage in the back of the Labour party car when it comes to the EU. " Don't agree with that at all, but I can see why you would think it. It's possibly because the Remain campaign is arguing with actual facts, whereas the Leave campaign is attempting to convince the gullible with lies. No wonder they come across as positive, they are bullshit salesmen! Dominic Cummings, the Vote Leave Campaign Director made a spectacular twat of himself in front of a parliamentary committee the other day, as he wasn't able to answer any questions with any facts...much like most people who support Leave. With people like this heading up the campaign, it's no wonder it's doomed: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/accuracy-is-for-snake-oil-pussies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? well plenty of misinformed bollocks going about the EU commission doesn't unilaterally decide policies for Europe they are replace every 5 yrs ..lets go back to simplicity ........little fish get picked off in the sea of life ...UK alone little fish ..UK in European Union bigger fish better placed to survive ...enough said better IN than out " Keep talking Britain down, it's the only thing the remainians are any good at. Only this little fish is the 5th largest economy in the world, tops the soft power table in the world and has huge influence around the rest of the world (apart from in the EU, we have no influence there), and we have good historic ties to the commonwealth. We have a 'special relationship' with the USA which the 2 remaining republican candidates in the presidential elections said they want to strengthen more even if we leave the EU (Donald Trump already said he thinks Britain will leave EU). Obama's comments don't really matter seeing as he'll soon be gone anyway. If the euro zone goes bump and dips into another recession (which it looks very likely to happen at some stage soon) we'll be better placed to ride out that storm from outside of the EU, not integrated more where they will drag us down with them. | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? well plenty of misinformed bollocks going about the EU commission doesn't unilaterally decide policies for Europe they are replace every 5 yrs ..lets go back to simplicity ........little fish get picked off in the sea of life ...UK alone little fish ..UK in European Union bigger fish better placed to survive ...enough said better IN than out Keep talking Britain down, it's the only thing the remainians are any good at. Only this little fish is the 5th largest economy in the world, tops the soft power table in the world and has huge influence around the rest of the world (apart from in the EU, we have no influence there), and we have good historic ties to the commonwealth. We have a 'special relationship' with the USA which the 2 remaining republican candidates in the presidential elections said they want to strengthen more even if we leave the EU (Donald Trump already said he thinks Britain will leave EU). Obama's comments don't really matter seeing as he'll soon be gone anyway. If the euro zone goes bump and dips into another recession (which it looks very likely to happen at some stage soon) we'll be better placed to ride out that storm from outside of the EU, not integrated more where they will drag us down with them. " Right...so we apparently have influence everywhere, except for the EU where we are actually a member, and we are continually influencing things? What you've written there makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and has no connection with reality at all. What is particularly hilarious is that you seem to think Donald Trump, who will never ever be US president, is a credible source of information on the American political view, whereas Barack Obama, a n actual two term President, is not. There is more chance of the UK leaving the EU than the US electing Ted Cruz for President, by the way! | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? The Leave side appears on the whole to be the more passionate and more motivated side. Compare to the remain side message which on the whole seems to be a half hearted "We know the EU is a big steaming pile of shite, but we better stay in because the if we leave the EU will gang up against us and 'bad stuff' will happen" approach. Jeremy Corbyn didn't look at all remotely enthusiastic in his speech. When Micheal Gove said Britain is like a hostage in the back of the EU's car, same comparison Corbyn looked like a hostage in the back of the Labour party car when it comes to the EU. Don't agree with that at all, but I can see why you would think it. It's possibly because the Remain campaign is arguing with actual facts, whereas the Leave campaign is attempting to convince the gullible with lies. No wonder they come across as positive, they are bullshit salesmen! Dominic Cummings, the Vote Leave Campaign Director made a spectacular twat of himself in front of a parliamentary committee the other day, as he wasn't able to answer any questions with any facts...much like most people who support Leave. With people like this heading up the campaign, it's no wonder it's doomed: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/accuracy-is-for-snake-oil-pussies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps" You didn't see the leader of the Britain stronger in Europe (BSE campaign) Stuart Rose make a spectacular twat of himself in front of the parliamentary committee some weeks ago then? He couldn't even get the name of his own campaign right, it took him 4 (FOUR) attempts to get the name right. | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? The Leave side appears on the whole to be the more passionate and more motivated side. Compare to the remain side message which on the whole seems to be a half hearted "We know the EU is a big steaming pile of shite, but we better stay in because the if we leave the EU will gang up against us and 'bad stuff' will happen" approach. Jeremy Corbyn didn't look at all remotely enthusiastic in his speech. When Micheal Gove said Britain is like a hostage in the back of the EU's car, same comparison Corbyn looked like a hostage in the back of the Labour party car when it comes to the EU. Don't agree with that at all, but I can see why you would think it. It's possibly because the Remain campaign is arguing with actual facts, whereas the Leave campaign is attempting to convince the gullible with lies. No wonder they come across as positive, they are bullshit salesmen! Dominic Cummings, the Vote Leave Campaign Director made a spectacular twat of himself in front of a parliamentary committee the other day, as he wasn't able to answer any questions with any facts...much like most people who support Leave. With people like this heading up the campaign, it's no wonder it's doomed: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/accuracy-is-for-snake-oil-pussies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps You didn't see the leader of the Britain stronger in Europe (BSE campaign) Stuart Rose make a spectacular twat of himself in front of the parliamentary committee some weeks ago then? He couldn't even get the name of his own campaign right, it took him 4 (FOUR) attempts to get the name right. " Yes I did. Luckily he made a mistake on an inconsequential aspect of the proceedings...rather than his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN! Honestly, the Leave campaign is in such tatters, if I hadn't seen Dominic Cummings with my own eyes I would never have believed the guys at the top were as ill-informed as their supporters. It was three hours of non-stop comedy! | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? well plenty of misinformed bollocks going about the EU commission doesn't unilaterally decide policies for Europe they are replace every 5 yrs ..lets go back to simplicity ........little fish get picked off in the sea of life ...UK alone little fish ..UK in European Union bigger fish better placed to survive ...enough said better IN than out Keep talking Britain down, it's the only thing the remainians are any good at. Only this little fish is the 5th largest economy in the world, tops the soft power table in the world and has huge influence around the rest of the world (apart from in the EU, we have no influence there), and we have good historic ties to the commonwealth. We have a 'special relationship' with the USA which the 2 remaining republican candidates in the presidential elections said they want to strengthen more even if we leave the EU (Donald Trump already said he thinks Britain will leave EU). Obama's comments don't really matter seeing as he'll soon be gone anyway. If the euro zone goes bump and dips into another recession (which it looks very likely to happen at some stage soon) we'll be better placed to ride out that storm from outside of the EU, not integrated more where they will drag us down with them. Right...so we apparently have influence everywhere, except for the EU where we are actually a member, and we are continually influencing things? What you've written there makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and has no connection with reality at all. What is particularly hilarious is that you seem to think Donald Trump, who will never ever be US president, is a credible source of information on the American political view, whereas Barack Obama, a n actual two term President, is not. There is more chance of the UK leaving the EU than the US electing Ted Cruz for President, by the way! " It's people like you who completely wrote Donald Trump off as a joke at the very start. He has proved everyone wrong by getting this far. On Obama his time will soon be over, so yes his view is now irrelevant, it's the future presidential candidates views people need to take more notice of. | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? well plenty of misinformed bollocks going about the EU commission doesn't unilaterally decide policies for Europe they are replace every 5 yrs ..lets go back to simplicity ........little fish get picked off in the sea of life ...UK alone little fish ..UK in European Union bigger fish better placed to survive ...enough said better IN than out Keep talking Britain down, it's the only thing the remainians are any good at. Only this little fish is the 5th largest economy in the world, tops the soft power table in the world and has huge influence around the rest of the world (apart from in the EU, we have no influence there), and we have good historic ties to the commonwealth. We have a 'special relationship' with the USA which the 2 remaining republican candidates in the presidential elections said they want to strengthen more even if we leave the EU (Donald Trump already said he thinks Britain will leave EU). Obama's comments don't really matter seeing as he'll soon be gone anyway. If the euro zone goes bump and dips into another recession (which it looks very likely to happen at some stage soon) we'll be better placed to ride out that storm from outside of the EU, not integrated more where they will drag us down with them. Right...so we apparently have influence everywhere, except for the EU where we are actually a member, and we are continually influencing things? What you've written there makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and has no connection with reality at all. What is particularly hilarious is that you seem to think Donald Trump, who will never ever be US president, is a credible source of information on the American political view, whereas Barack Obama, a n actual two term President, is not. There is more chance of the UK leaving the EU than the US electing Ted Cruz for President, by the way! It's people like you who completely wrote Donald Trump off as a joke at the very start. He has proved everyone wrong by getting this far. On Obama his time will soon be over, so yes his view is now irrelevant, it's the future presidential candidates views people need to take more notice of. " Oh, I agree with that. Why anyone would think Trump has any chance of being President is what I think is ridiculous. I guess if you don't understand how the US political parties work you might think he is in with a shout...but to be fair, not many US voters actually understand that either, so you're in good company! | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? The Leave side appears on the whole to be the more passionate and more motivated side. Compare to the remain side message which on the whole seems to be a half hearted "We know the EU is a big steaming pile of shite, but we better stay in because the if we leave the EU will gang up against us and 'bad stuff' will happen" approach. Jeremy Corbyn didn't look at all remotely enthusiastic in his speech. When Micheal Gove said Britain is like a hostage in the back of the EU's car, same comparison Corbyn looked like a hostage in the back of the Labour party car when it comes to the EU. Don't agree with that at all, but I can see why you would think it. It's possibly because the Remain campaign is arguing with actual facts, whereas the Leave campaign is attempting to convince the gullible with lies. No wonder they come across as positive, they are bullshit salesmen! Dominic Cummings, the Vote Leave Campaign Director made a spectacular twat of himself in front of a parliamentary committee the other day, as he wasn't able to answer any questions with any facts...much like most people who support Leave. With people like this heading up the campaign, it's no wonder it's doomed: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/accuracy-is-for-snake-oil-pussies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps You didn't see the leader of the Britain stronger in Europe (BSE campaign) Stuart Rose make a spectacular twat of himself in front of the parliamentary committee some weeks ago then? He couldn't even get the name of his own campaign right, it took him 4 (FOUR) attempts to get the name right. Yes I did. Luckily he made a mistake on an inconsequential aspect of the proceedings...rather than his ENTIRE CAMPAIGN! Honestly, the Leave campaign is in such tatters, if I hadn't seen Dominic Cummings with my own eyes I would never have believed the guys at the top were as ill-informed as their supporters. It was three hours of non-stop comedy! "Getting the name of his campaign wrong 4 times wasn't the only thing Stuart Rose ballsed up though was it. He had to admit British workers wages would rise in the event we leave the EU. Considering he is campaigning for remain he seems to be doing a good job of getting a Leave vote. Could he be a vote Leave double agent? | |||
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"Bye bye EU I want people running my country who I can vote for and then kick them out when they fail... Unlike the EU where I get no say and can hold no one responsible for failing Interesting to see just how many who share that view actually bother voting in our own elections..? well plenty of misinformed bollocks going about the EU commission doesn't unilaterally decide policies for Europe they are replace every 5 yrs ..lets go back to simplicity ........little fish get picked off in the sea of life ...UK alone little fish ..UK in European Union bigger fish better placed to survive ...enough said better IN than out How's the pound doing? down about .14 cents on is position pre announcement of a brexit vote ..can only imagine how low it will go if UK votes OUT...maybe its time to pull funds out before it sinks to low ? "19th Feb 2016 (the day before the referendum announcement) 1.2942 Today 1.2685. That's less than 3 cents. Nowhere near 14. | |||
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