FabSwingers.com forum: Salary's

By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

So the average player in the Premier League is paid £45k per week (£2.3m per annum!!!) and the top ten earn roughly £200k per week each (£10m per annum...) (plus 'image rights!?!') we often hear about people complaining about salaries in industry but it seems to be accepted that 500 players can earn ludicrous amounts of money - why is this acceptable, the same for actors and musicians but not for people who have to work for a living.

It just seems we undervalue work and overvalue entertainment - what do people think? Does Leicester's success this year highlight the ridiculous nature of the so-called star's salaries? Will we see ticket prices coming down?

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

Well they are paid what their market value is.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

What price talent. If a club believe a £200k per week player will improve the teams chances of success they will pay it.

From the players point of view, it is a short career with risks of it being cut short through injury or loss of form with no guarantee of a contract extension. They want as much as they can for that reason.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

It just seems we undervalue work and overvalue entertainment "

I agree, and find it sad that many kids' dreams nowadays involve 'accidentally' releasing a sex tape to become famous, rather than gain a better education than their parents, discover a cure for cancer, and THEN 'accidentally releasing......'

But do you blame those who do it, or those that pay them and encourage it?

Mr ddc

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

I think I blame us as an audience thinking it is acceptable for someone to be paid that much to kick a ball! And Cristiano Ronaldho is on £30m a year. The whole celebratory worship thing is getting out of hand and creates next to nothing of value for the country. Leicester City FC have shown that the so called stars in Manc City, Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal have been overpaid for years - maybe it is really the manager that is worth the money!

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

There are very few great managers. There are even fewer great teams in the Leicester city mould. Think of Wimbledon and the crazy gang and 70's Nottingham forest.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I find these salaries a sad reflection of our society.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

Same here, sadly. And it has nothing to do with my dad playing in the 50's/60's and getting bugger all for it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not the players faults. If someone offers you a ludicrous amount of money for a job you are good at and enjoy, would you turn it down? Of course you wouldn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a shame the salaries of the back office staff arent increased really. My friend worked for one of the top 3 and got paid and treated appaulingly.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

But careers in football are very short (and can easily be ended instantly thru injury) so I do understand players needing to maximise earning potential.

Also each countries respective league competes with themselves to lure the best talent so in a similar way to other industries increased demand for sparse resources increases their value.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Footballer or film star, high flying exec or inventive genius, your not paid for how hard you work, your paid for our rare your talent is.

Will never be any other way.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

The salary are a reflection of the money that goes into the premier league. If it wasn't the players getting it , it would be some executives getting even more of the share.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life is generally unfair sadly and whilst I agree it's obscene;I feel the minute we start looking at others we become bitter.

Head down and do the best I can is my philosophy in life.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"But careers in football are very short (and can easily be ended instantly thru injury) so I do understand players needing to maximise earning potential.

Also each countries respective league competes with themselves to lure the best talent so in a similar way to other industries increased demand for sparse resources increases their value."

I'd just do it for a year and be quite happy thank you! £2.3m ain't that bad really...

I think we're all being suckered into this and I agree with the other poster that back office staff don't get treated well.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"But careers in football are very short (and can easily be ended instantly thru injury) so I do understand players needing to maximise earning potential.

Also each countries respective league competes with themselves to lure the best talent so in a similar way to other industries increased demand for sparse resources increases their value."

But doesn't Leicester's success suggest the resource is less scarce than people make out?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I think I blame us as an audience thinking it is acceptable for someone to be paid that much to kick a ball! "

Possibly, but one can't have capitalism with limits. And if we didn't pay to watch them, the Spanish or someone else would. Imagine in a few years when China expands their game!

A top-5 place is just too important finacially.

What I think is wrong is the financing. How is it ok for clubs to own nothing in order to minimise their Corporation tax, but bad if Google, Starbucks, some bloke's dad, or Vodafone does it? But aren't Europe looking to clamp down on that?

Mr ddc

Ps I'm a David Mitchell when it comes to football, so I accept I'm probably.talking out of my arse. I was impressed that I must have included sufficient 'buzz-words' so my spellchecker offered 'Thierry' when I mis-spelt 'their'

Monsieur ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well they are paid what their market value is. "

the money is in the game, if it didn't go to the players it would go to the suits...and in reality, it's an inflated myth as not all footballers are on such a high wage plus there is the argument of the career being short, especially if curtailed by injury

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By *ni_ladMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire

Income in football is due to how talented the players are, and how hard of a market it is to break into. It's one of the highest played sports in the world, if not the highest played, think of how many leagues are around your local area of players all dreaming to make it to that top level.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"But careers in football are very short (and can easily be ended instantly thru injury) so I do understand players needing to maximise earning potential.

Also each countries respective league competes with themselves to lure the best talent so in a similar way to other industries increased demand for sparse resources increases their value.

But doesn't Leicester's success suggest the resource is less scarce than people make out? "

Not necessarily because salaries in football are worked out on an individual basis so a top international player (say Ronaldo or Messi) would command big Dollar Based on their form for club n countrya at highest level.

But football is a team game and Leicester success shows that the whole can be much greater than the sum of its Parts.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Well they are paid what their market value is.

The average for nearly 500 players is £2.3m per year. Ok some will be a bit less and some more, but this season at least shows that just paying big money does not buy success. So why is the money from Sky not put a not academies and sourcing young talent? I don't buy that we have to compete globally on these salaries, it seems more of a cop out from inadequate management trying to buy success and following the 'well I can't be sacked, I paid for a proven player'?

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"So the average player in the Premier League is paid £45k per week (£2.3m per annum!!!) and the top ten earn roughly £200k per week each (£10m per annum...) (plus 'image rights!?!') we often hear about people complaining about salaries in industry but it seems to be accepted that 500 players can earn ludicrous amounts of money - why is this acceptable, the same for actors and musicians but not for people who have to work for a living.

If you had a son good enough to be a professional footballer and earn huge money would you be saying the same.

Life's to short to worry about what others earn.

Work hard, study, take exams and earn the most you can, or earn little and do a job you love but most of all be happy

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

It's market forces, unlike the public sector where seat polishing bureaucrats award themselves obscene salaries paid for out of our taxes.

I don't support or follow football or pop music or watch the soaps.

I don't mind truly talented people earning whatever their market value is.

If you don't like it, it's simple, don't patronise it in anyway.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"It's market forces, unlike the public sector where seat polishing bureaucrats award themselves obscene salaries paid for out of our taxes.

I don't support or follow football or pop music or watch the soaps.

I don't mind truly talented people earning whatever their market value is.

If you don't like it, it's simple, don't patronise it in anyway."

I can't, I support the mighty Leeds...

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"It's market forces, unlike the public sector where seat polishing bureaucrats award themselves obscene salaries paid for out of our taxes.

I don't support or follow football or pop music or watch the soaps.

I don't mind truly talented people earning whatever their market value is.

If you don't like it, it's simple, don't patronise it in anyway.

I can't, I support the mighty Leeds...

And therein lies the cause. If you pay for Sky sports, and/or go the matches, you forfeit the right to complain about the salaries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm afraid I have no time for the footballers get paid too much argument. However negatively they are portrayed by the press they are hugely talented individuals who generate vast sums of money for the clubs they play for and are rewarded accordingly. As long as stadiums are full, sky subscriptions the norm and interest from the rest of the world huge the argument is baseless. It is often underestimated what joy football and sport in general brings to people and gets lost in this pc lefty obsessed country we live in.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

The gladiators of today...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just market value isn't it, the fans and businesses that support it fund it, and tv etc. You're talking about the most talented and disciplined within their industry, millions play football across the world but only an elite few actually get paid the most. Same as many other industries?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

I accept your thoughts, but wonder how many Jamie Vardy's and others that there really are out there!

It does make me question the sense of paying for the likes of Rooney when others are clearly available.

Having played football for the past 30 years i have seen many talented players who weren't spotted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh I don't believe any the crap market value or any the other stuff people are saying so the nurse fireman our armed forces police and others should be on alot more as they save lives not run about kicking a ball about so who says these people deserve such high wages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It just seems we undervalue work and overvalue entertainment

But do you blame those who do it, or those that pay them and encourage it?

Mr ddc"

I don't have children yet but in today's world I dread them growing up wanting to be a reality tv star. If you were to compare the two for one moment, it at least be argued that being footballer/professional sports player requires training, dedication, hard work and most of all talent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm afraid I have no time for the footballers get paid too much argument. However negatively they are portrayed by the press they are hugely talented individuals who generate vast sums of money for the clubs they play for and are rewarded accordingly. As long as stadiums are full, sky subscriptions the norm and interest from the rest of the work's huge the argument is baseless. It is often underestimated what joy football and sport in general brings to people and gets lost in this pc lefty obsessed country we live in."

You must have some time for the argument or wouldn't have been able to write a long paragraph on it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would happily kick a ball round for 200K a week and feel no remorse if some idiot is stupid enough to pay me that amount.

Would personally prefer to see it lining the pocket of some footballer than some greedy fat banker or ceo

Who chooses to give himself a 20% payrise when he is already earning millions, while the company he head's is down on profit.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

" Life is generally unfair sadly and whilst I agree it's obscene;I feel the minute we start looking at others we become bitter.

Head down and do the best I can is my philosophy in life."

You're right

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"It's not the players faults. If someone offers you a ludicrous amount of money for a job you are good at and enjoy, would you turn it down? Of course you wouldn't. "

Of course no-body would say no to that type of money, but for goodness sake I mean these big footballers that get the highest wages play till around 35-40

Yea, I know it's a short career. But the likes if Wayne Rooney gets 250k a week (I think, not sure). I mean that would take an average person YEARS to achieve.

I worked it out I get about £15k a year, so rooneys 1week pay would take me about 17 years to get.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The issue driving this is TV rights. If Murdoch's empire collapses things will change. Hopefully for the better.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

I just think it is obscene that they feel so embarassed about their salary's that they have to quote weekly to get it down to a number we won't find totally unacceptable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

High wages is actually part of the appeal, there's a certain amount of celebrity status and column inch's, which brings in bums on seats and shirt sales, it's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy...

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple
over a year ago

Cardiff

But I, and I imagine many, have enjoyed Leicester more than Chelsea or Man Cuty this year, so it is not a clear connection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"High wages is actually part of the appeal, there's a certain amount of celebrity status and column inch's, which brings in bums on seats and shirt sales, it's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy..."

They weren't short of bums on seats before..

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