FabSwingers.com forum: Zebra crossings - seems optional to stop now

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

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By *alldarkhandsomedaveMan
over a year ago

Derby

Definitely not, they seem to have become optional in Derby as well, particularly when in shopping centre car parks

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By *B2016Man
over a year ago

and around

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?"

London is one of the worst for this. Plus many people don't say thank you anymore. Really gripes me when I've stopped and someone doesn't say thank you. A nod, hand wave, smile, they don't cost much now days.

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By *kgeminiMan
over a year ago

Southampton

I think it's a London thing. As soon as you get inside of the M25 everyone doesn't give a shit about anyone else. Including letting people cross or letting someone out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well if it is just a London thing at the moment god help us in 20 years time here in the mids, as when I last drove round London 30 years ago red traffic light seemed to mean go on quick oh just 1 more oh go on then just another one,and that's been happening here in the mids last 10 years or so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes out in the country here they still stop. And stop just for traffic calming crossings too .

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its been like this for ages up here. best thing i've found to do is stare at the cars heading towards you (on the side you are wanting to cross from), then they notice you're waiting to cross.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its dog eat dog on roads in manchester in the morning its madness!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't just assume it's safe to walk straight out on to the crossing without making sure the driver has seen me first.

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By *andS4funCouple
over a year ago

Lancashire

Totally agree and happens up here too.

It's also polite to wave thankyou too if they stop.

We stop in our car btw.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

No but the problem with zebra crossings is the pedestraian has to step onto the crossing before the traffic is obliged to stop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No its not a London thing at all I've seen it everywhere I travel (including Southampton) I think part of the trouble is in lots of countries zebra crossings don't mean shit and they adopt the same approach here,it's also the same in reverse these guys will walk out in front of you when your driving past.

However for me the worst still has to be the cyclists who think redlights are for motor vehicles only. I work near euston square and quite often a cyclist will fly past the pedestrian crossing while its red for vehicles (one day i'll just stop dead and sue the fucker.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Don't go to Rome. Zebra crossings seem to be just an interesting pattern designed to break up the monotony of the road surface.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

You're supposed to stop. THEY have right of way. You haven't done THEM a favour? Where's this attitude that you must be thanked for driving correctly?

Thank you for stopping at a red light.

Thank you for not parking on a hill.

Thank you for not driving the wrong way down a road.

Thank you for having wing mirrors

Thank you for driving the right way round a roundabout.

You are supposed to stop at a crossing.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"No but the problem with zebra crossings is the pedestraian has to step onto the crossing before the traffic is obliged to stop"

ooooooooo I dispute that. I'll have to check tho.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Rule 195

Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing

look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross

you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing

allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching

be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing.

I think point one makes it ( muddily ) clear you should stop anyway.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

You're supposed to stop. THEY have right of way. You haven't done THEM a favour? Where's this attitude that you must be thanked for driving correctly?

Thank you for stopping at a red light.

Thank you for not parking on a hill.

Thank you for not driving the wrong way down a road.

Thank you for having wing mirrors

Thank you for driving the right way round a roundabout.

You are supposed to stop at a crossing. "

No, you are not supposed to stop. The Highway Code says you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved on to a crossing. It also says you should be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross, but nowhere does it say you have to stop when a pedestrian is standing on the pavement.

If I am driving towards a zebra crossing and I see a pedestrian there I look to see what traffic is coming towards me and behind me. If I have traffic behind me and coming towards me I will stop to let them cross, but if there is nothing coming towards me or behind me I carry on as I know the pedestrian will be able to carry on once I have passed them.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

No it happens a lot in fact the worst one round my area for it as now starred being policed during rush hour times if they don't stop they take the Reg number and send out tickets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

You're supposed to stop. THEY have right of way. You haven't done THEM a favour? Where's this attitude that you must be thanked for driving correctly?

Thank you for stopping at a red light.

Thank you for not parking on a hill.

Thank you for not driving the wrong way down a road.

Thank you for having wing mirrors

Thank you for driving the right way round a roundabout.

You are supposed to stop at a crossing. "

I was about to say! It's not a courtesy - it's the fucking law.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

You're supposed to stop. THEY have right of way. You haven't done THEM a favour? Where's this attitude that you must be thanked for driving correctly?

Thank you for stopping at a red light.

Thank you for not parking on a hill.

Thank you for not driving the wrong way down a road.

Thank you for having wing mirrors

Thank you for driving the right way round a roundabout.

You are supposed to stop at a crossing. "

Exactly. Do you thank other drivers for stopping at red lights when they are supposed to?

Incidentally, pedestrians are the only road users who can have right of way. All others may have priority but never right of way according to my instructor.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

You're supposed to stop. THEY have right of way. You haven't done THEM a favour? Where's this attitude that you must be thanked for driving correctly?

Thank you for stopping at a red light.

Thank you for not parking on a hill.

Thank you for not driving the wrong way down a road.

Thank you for having wing mirrors

Thank you for driving the right way round a roundabout.

You are supposed to stop at a crossing.

Wonderful. Just the same way of saying Rule 195 above.

No one needs to thank you for stopping at a Zebra crossing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not quite reached my part of London yet,although most of our crossings have lights now. There is one busy road I cross frequently at a crossing that doesn't have the stripes (I think it may be a puffin crossing? Someone enlighten me please) and drivers often stop to let me cross. It's rare that a car doesn't stop at a zebra crossing.

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By *kgeminiMan
over a year ago

Southampton

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

You're supposed to stop. THEY have right of way. You haven't done THEM a favour? Where's this attitude that you must be thanked for driving correctly?

Thank you for stopping at a red light.

Thank you for not parking on a hill.

Thank you for not driving the wrong way down a road.

Thank you for having wing mirrors

Thank you for driving the right way round a roundabout.

You are supposed to stop at a crossing. "

Yes you are supposed to stop and you don't have to say thank you, but it's still polite to say thank you. This is the same when you have let someone out or held a door open for someone it's polite to say thank.

It's not the law it's just etiquette

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

You're supposed to stop. THEY have right of way. You haven't done THEM a favour? Where's this attitude that you must be thanked for driving correctly?

Thank you for stopping at a red light.

Thank you for not parking on a hill.

Thank you for not driving the wrong way down a road.

Thank you for having wing mirrors

Thank you for driving the right way round a roundabout.

You are supposed to stop at a crossing.

It's not the law it's just etiquette"

Thank you for posting a reply to my post. You haven't said thank you to me for posting mine tho .... please thank me in your next post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the current government legislation for Precedence of pedestrians over vehicles at Zebra crossings

25.—(1) Every pedestrian, if he is on the carriageway within the limits of a Zebra crossing, which is not for the time being controlled by a constable in uniform or traffic warden, before any part of a vehicle has entered those limits, shall have precedence within those limits over that vehicle and the driver of the vehicle shall accord such precedence to any such pedestrian.

(2) Where there is a refuge for pedestrians or central reservation on a Zebra crossing, the parts of the crossing situated on each side of the refuge for pedestrians or central reservation shall, for the purposes of this regulation, be treated as separate crossings.

Clear as mud?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't live in London so I can't speak for there. But when I lived in NYC I think my hand would fall off if I thanked every car that stopped for me on my way to work.

As for the OP, people are really great about stopping for you at zebra crossings in Leeds. Marc always tells me he prefers Yorkshire drivers to those anywhere else in the country.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"This is the current government legislation for Precedence of pedestrians over vehicles at Zebra crossings

Clear as mud? "

No that's pretty damn crystal. Thank you. Where's it from.

Simply - Pedestrians have right of way. STOP for them.

You'd be surprised how many people think if you mowed them down it's their fault for being in the road.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Yes ! Accord your fooking precedence !

Why are all the pedestrians blokes.... eh ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is the current government legislation for Precedence of pedestrians over vehicles at Zebra crossings

Clear as mud?

No that's pretty damn crystal. Thank you. Where's it from.

Simply - Pedestrians have right of way. STOP for them.

You'd be surprised how many people think if you mowed them down it's their fault for being in the road.

It was from legislation.gov.uk

Unfortunately we do live in a society where some people do believe that cars should have the right of way in the road, regardless of a crossing in place or not.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

I was about to say! It's not a courtesy - it's the fucking law."

It's only the law when a pedestrian has started to cross. When the pedestrian is standing on the pavement and a driver decides to stop it's a courtesy, there is no legal requirement for a driver to stop while the pedestrian is still on the pavement.

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By *oward1978Man
over a year ago

Rotherham

Round where I live I can't say I've ever had a problem with this. People seem very well behaved around Zebra Crossings, which is just how it should be.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

I was about to say! It's not a courtesy - it's the fucking law.

So why would they give someone a ticket was a £30 fine for not stopping?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was about to say! It's not a courtesy - it's the fucking law.

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

The whole point in these crossings is that people have somewhere where pedestrians are a priority on the road and a safe place to cross.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep and so it seems are red traffic lights.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Problems with Zebra crossing? Don't live in a zoo.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I think it's quite simple. You see someone at a zebra crossing waiting to cross you stop because you're not a twat.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is? "

Mines my driving instructor also someone already posted the government legislation on the matter

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Rule 195

Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing

look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross

you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing

allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching

be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing.

I think point one makes it ( muddily ) clear you should stop anyway. "

see rule 19

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

It's a pity that driving standards have dropped so much. It seems that unless there are traffic lights drivers can't think for themselves. Look how many roundabouts and junctions have traffic lights now when they were fine without them.

Zebra crossings are far better than pelican crossings. The traffic doesn't have to stop for so long so there is less congestion.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

So why would they give someone a ticket was a £30 fine for not stopping? "

What was the specific offence written on the ticket?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

worries me does this - when kids start walking to school by themselves and you plan a safe route for them to follow - including crossing at the zebra - fortunately the one mine had to cross had a lollypop man there

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

Mines my driving instructor also someone already posted the government legislation on the matter "

Your driving instructor is talking rubbish then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

I don't say thankyou anymore at crossings because I had some poor experiences with guys shouting comments after I smiled at them to say thank you.

Now I just keep my head down and keep on walking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

Mines my driving instructor also someone already posted the government legislation on the matter

Your driving instructor is talking rubbish then."

I was also told that when I took my test.

I was always under the impression that zebra/flashylight crossings were mandatory for you to stop as a car driver *when safe to do so*. That's why you're taught when you're doing driving lessons that you should never speed up if you can see a crossing.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

Mines my driving instructor also someone already posted the government legislation on the matter

Your driving instructor is talking rubbish then."

No the law is to stop the government legislation is on the .gov website

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think it's quite simple. You see someone at a zebra crossing waiting to cross you stop because you're not a twat."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?"

No it's clearly not just a London thing and what ethnic groups are the worst offenders ?

You obviously think it's relevant or you wouldn't have said so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is? "

if there's someone waiting to cross that is. obviously they won't expect you to stop if nobody is there.

because you are supposed to 'look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I walk a good chunk of my journey to work and I have had so many drivers continue to dive across one local zebra crossing when I am already on it that I now wack the car as it passes me. So far this year its happened 4 times. Taxi drivers for me are the worst offenders. The most recent being on last Friday afternoon where a car that had a slow moving queue in front of it actively moved across the zebra crossing when I had already walked onto it. The driver to my right had stopped to let me cross, the driver to my left just carried on.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I think it's quite simple. You see someone at a zebra crossing waiting to cross you stop because you're not a twat."

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

We went to London last week and I felt like a proper Boy Scout helping all the tourists cross the road.

They'd all be standing patiently while car after car drove past happily thinking "I'm *prepared* to stop, but I'm not actually going to until you put one foot on the crossing". I just step out and, whilst being *prepared* to flee back to the pavement squeeling if necessary, I never let that show on my face.

And I always give a cheery wave, it takes some of the sting out of the fact that I've forced them to stop, and it makes them remember that we're all human beings.

Mr ddc

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

if there's someone waiting to cross that is. obviously they won't expect you to stop if nobody is there.

because you are supposed to 'look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross'.

But where does it say that in law that you have to let them cross if they are not actually on the crossing but standing on the pavement by the crossing? How would it be classed as a serious fault by the driving test examiner if a test candidate sees a pedestrian by the side of the road at a zebra crossing, slows down, but decides to carry on without letting the pedestrian cross?

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

No the law is to stop the government legislation is on the .gov website "

So the law says you have to stop if a pedestrian is not on the crossing?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

No it's clearly not just a London thing and what ethnic groups are the worst offenders ?

You obviously think it's relevant or you wouldn't have said so."

I make a point of checking

Worse offenders

1. White/Asian men under 25

2. All Chinese male/female any age (and beep you most if you step out)

3. All black men don't stop (all black women do stop)

Is my observation

Call the daily mail if you are offended

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

Mines my driving instructor also someone already posted the government legislation on the matter

Your driving instructor is talking rubbish then.

I was also told that when I took my test.

It is mandatory to stop when a pedestrian has stepped on to the zebra crossing, not when they are standing on the pavement.

Pelican, puffin and toucan crossings are much more straightforward as they are controlled by traffic lights.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

if there's someone waiting to cross that is. obviously they won't expect you to stop if nobody is there.

because you are supposed to 'look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross'.

As I've said if you don't and you're caught it's a £30 fine they generally don't fine people for not breaking the law

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

In a busy queue of traffic they are supposed to be stopped/parked on but plenty of twats do that too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try driving down abbey road. Fuck me that's a nightmare I stopped some Japanese family started to walk than changed their mind then changed again and started walking again then stopped again. I would have been fucking livid should I had got a fine for that. Also what about people who just walk our regardless of oncoming traffic I was always bought up to stop look and listen and cross when safe to do so, remember the green cross code?

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

As I've said if you don't and you're caught it's a £30 fine they generally don't fine people for not breaking the law "

You have said its a £30 fine, but what is the specific offence? You haven't detailed that yet, just repeated "it's a £30 fine". It is an offence not to stop when the pedestrian is on the crossing, are you saying it is also an offence not to stop when the pedestrian is not on the crossing?

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By *laskan lovers 1984Couple
over a year ago

West midlands

Too many ignorant/uneducated motorists. I travel all over the UK and see it everywhere.

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

Mines my driving instructor also someone already posted the government legislation on the matter

Your driving instructor is talking rubbish then.

I was also told that when I took my test.

It is mandatory to stop when a pedestrian has stepped on to the zebra crossing, not when they are standing on the pavement.

Pelican, puffin and toucan crossings are much more straightforward as they are controlled by traffic lights."

So they shouldn't stand there waiting for the car to stop. They should put a foot on the crossing and if the car doesn't stop. Take a pic of the car driving off on your phone and report it to the police?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

No, it is a nation thing.

In Liverpool I saw a car get kicked by a pedestrian who was halfway across the crossing, needless to say the car never stopped.

In Brighton you take your life in your own hands on any crossing, as red lights don't mean an awful lot either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having to drive practically everyday in central London it appears that the more fragile you are the more ignorant you are to your own safety. Unfortunately not many pedestrians know how to use a zebra crossing. Most seem to think it's an excellent place to stop and have a phone call making drivers stop for no apparent reason. The other problem is their own safety. Pedestrians feel that as soon as they step onto the zebra crossing they are in some kind of protective tunnel until the other side. Therefore they don't bother looking to see if traffic is coming and stop, look and listen. They will wander along the path and dart onto the crossing without any consideration to other users or their own well being.

If you think drivers are worse. Consider cyclists who don't stop at crossings or lights and go the wrong way up a one way street. The most ignorant of the lot. Then bleat about why some big shiny piece of metal has just hit them.

Yes drivers have to be careful. I understand. We all passed a test the others didn't. However self preservation starts from the most fragile. Not the other way around.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It makes me really angry as these crossings are less inconvenience than ones with lights for motorists. I'd love to be carrying something that would damage their cars if im crossing and they don't stop.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

The Highway Code is a set of guidelines, not rules. It's only when the Highway Code specifically says" you MUST", that it is referencing a legal requirement.

If it says " you should", then it's not a legal requirement.

So, if you read the wording, it's quite clear, motorists/cyclists only have to stop if a pedestrian is on the crossing, though it's a foolhardy pedestrian who deliberately steps out into flowing traffic to assert this right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It makes me really angry as these crossings are less inconvenience than ones with lights for motorists. I'd love to be carrying something that would damage their cars if im crossing and they don't stop. "

What so then get arrested for criminal damage all because a car didnt stop. Sounds like a sensible way of thinking. As you said yourself less inconvenient so waiting for less than a second to cross is worth being sued?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

if there's someone waiting to cross that is. obviously they won't expect you to stop if nobody is there.

because you are supposed to 'look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross'.

the highway code. you aren't allowed to legally drive a vehicle unless you understand road safety and the highway code, so yeah it is law in a roundabout way.

be no point in having driving tests otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

if there's someone waiting to cross that is. obviously they won't expect you to stop if nobody is there.

because you are supposed to 'look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross'.

the highway code. you aren't allowed to legally drive a vehicle unless you understand road safety and the highway code, so yeah it is law in a roundabout way.

be no point in having driving tests otherwise.

also, the highway code still applies after passing your test.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

As I've said if you don't and you're caught it's a £30 fine they generally don't fine people for not breaking the law

I've also said the legislations been quoted on this thread sorry you don't understand the big words in it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry, got that wrong, after a quick google.

it's not even law in a roundabout way. most of the highway code is actual law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

No it's clearly not just a London thing and what ethnic groups are the worst offenders ?

You obviously think it's relevant or you wouldn't have said so.

I make a point of checking

Worse offenders

1. White/Asian men under 25

2. All Chinese male/female any age (and beep you most if you step out)

3. All black men don't stop (all black women do stop)

Is my observation

Call the daily mail if you are offended

I'm certainly not offended I just wanted to know how you came to such a conclusion.

As soon as the daily mail is mentioned I know it's unreliable and biased, most people know that.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

I've also said the legislations been quoted on this thread sorry you don't understand the big words in it "

When you have to resort to making personal comments, it undermines your opinion and speaks volumes about you.

Your failure to answer my questions also undermines your viewpoint. The law is clear, when the pedestrian is within the confines of the zebra crossing i.e. actually on the crossing, if a driver fails to stop they commit an offence. If the pedestrian is not within the confines of the zebra crossing i.e. not on the crossing, and the driver fails to stop, the driver does not commit an offence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So that's zebra crossings covered.

Shall we discuss who speeds up when the light goes yellow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think common sense needs to be used by all road users, pedestrians alike if stepping into and crossing. If a pedestrian is not giving any intention to cross but then darts out with out any regard to themselves or other road users more fool them. However the repercussions must be commensurate as the driver who hits them will also suffer psychological trauma.

Yes the Highway Code is there, but as well as pedestrians waiting for when it's safe to do so. Current road users must be aware of potential hazards such as pavement pedestrians approach or walking past a crossing who may have every intention to cross. Awareness and communication is the key.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So that's zebra crossings covered.

Shall we discuss who speeds up when the light goes yellow. "

No let's discuss people who use, disabled and family parking bays when they shouldn't.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

I've also said the legislations been quoted on this thread sorry you don't understand the big words in it

When you have to resort to making personal comments, it undermines your opinion and speaks volumes about you.

No I'm merely telling you to read the legislation fm for yourself which you've still failed to do, if you don't want to educate yourself what's the point in me doing it for you?

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By * PillowsWoman
over a year ago

stevenage

It's bad where I am. They have had to put up signs by the lollipop crossings to tell drivers it's the law they have to stop for the lollipop!! People new to the country don't know and just ignore them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was about to say! It's not a courtesy - it's the fucking law.

Do that on a driving test and you will probably fail.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

I've also said the legislations been quoted on this thread sorry you don't understand the big words in it

When you have to resort to making personal comments, it undermines your opinion and speaks volumes about you.

No I'm merely telling you to read the legislation fm for yourself which you've still failed to do, if you don't want to educate yourself what's the point in me doing it for you?

You're also the only guy on here claiming it's not a law surely that alone should tell you something?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

You're also the only guy on here claiming it's not a law surely that alone should tell you something?

To be fair, he isn't, I too pointed out the difference between being 'compelled' to stop and 'prepared' to stop.

In your test it is important to demonstrate your consideration for other road users: stopping at a pedestrian crossing ticks this box.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

You're also the only guy on here claiming it's not a law surely that alone should tell you something?

To be fair, he isn't, I too pointed out the difference between being 'compelled' to stop and 'prepared' to stop.

In your test it is important to demonstrate your consideration for other road users: stopping at a pedestrian crossing ticks this box."

Yes but if you don't stop when the pedestrian is clearly waiting in the eyes of the law you weren't prepared to stop and are legally liable for not doing so

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

if there's someone waiting to cross that is. obviously they won't expect you to stop if nobody is there.

because you are supposed to 'look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross'.

the highway code. you aren't allowed to legally drive a vehicle unless you understand road safety and the highway code, so yeah it is law in a roundabout way.

be no point in having driving tests otherwise.

Seeing how bad people drive, I thought we had abolished it years ago.

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over a year ago

You'd fail your driving test if you don't stop for waiting pedestrians though.

Really? And your source for that is?

if there's someone waiting to cross that is. obviously they won't expect you to stop if nobody is there.

because you are supposed to 'look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross'.

the highway code. you aren't allowed to legally drive a vehicle unless you understand road safety and the highway code, so yeah it is law in a roundabout way.

be no point in having driving tests otherwise.

Seeing how bad people drive, I thought we had abolished it years ago."

there's way too many idiots in cars now.

i've had people beep their car horn at my kids for standing on the pavement (waiting for me to catch up with them so they can cross the road) because they wanted to park on the pavement. my kids were toddlers the first time this happened as well. not sure why they expected my kids to go into the road so they could park illegally. i always go a bit mad at the driver.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I don't care about the highway code or what the law says. If you can see a zebra crossing coming up and people waiting to cross slow down , stop safely and don't be a twat. It's the decent thing to do regardless of the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't care about the highway code or what the law says. If you can see a zebra crossing coming up and people waiting to cross slow down , stop safely and don't be a twat. It's the decent thing to do regardless of the law."

Missed you. x

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Missed you. x"

Aw thanks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big thumbs up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just today a van nearly mowed me down on a crossing...I wasn't impressed....neither was the police officer in the car behind...stopped the miscreant and have him a ticket...laugh?? Well.yes I did.actually.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

It's the same when a pedestrian is crossing a side road. If the pedestrian has started to cross before the car starts to turn in, the pedestrian has right of way...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just for the record I will always stop for pedestrians,

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

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Yes but if you don't stop when the pedestrian is clearly waiting in the eyes of the law you weren't prepared to stop and are legally liable for not doing so "

Sorry, but you're wrong, as you've been told several times.

Read the law, it's on a legislation gov site.

It may be the decent thing to do, but it's not incumbent on a motorist/cyclist to stop at a Zebra crossing just because someone is waiting to cross.

If however, they step on to the crossing, the pedestrian has right of way and the motorist/cyclist must stop.

I don't know why you keep trying to argue a point over which you are totally and irrefutably wrong, and where there is definitive documentation which if you would read, you would see confirms this.

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By *ustinCredible.Man
over a year ago

whitecross/sankey valley

Lots of people saying they don't need to stop if the pedestrian is still on the pavement, the crossing starts at the pavement where the big yellow Lollypop lights are not on the road. So if a ped is standing at the curb between those lights their intention to cross is already evident and you have to stop. Or that's what I've always believed.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Lots of people saying they don't need to stop if the pedestrian is still on the pavement, the crossing starts at the pavement where the big yellow Lollypop lights are not on the road. So if a ped is standing at the curb between those lights their intention to cross is already evident and you have to stop. Or that's what I've always believed."

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

ped = pedestrian

cos if it was pedophile we'd mount the kerb

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Nope - read the legislation, the crossing starts on the road, not the kerb

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By *laskan lovers 1984Couple
over a year ago

West midlands

Big thumbs up. "

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

A d*unk trying to cross the street was knocked down by a bus.

A policeman helped him to his feet and said,

“There’s a zebra crossing a few yards away from here.”

“Well, I hope he is having better luck than I am,” replied the d*unk.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

The devout cowboy lost his favorite Bible while he was mending fences out on the range. Three weeks later, a zebra walked up to him carrying the Bible in its mouth. The cowboy couldn't believe his eyes. He took the precious book out of the zebra's mouth, raised his eyes heavenward and exclaimed, "It's a miracle!" "Not really," said the zebra. "Your name is written inside the cover."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But they should at least show that they want to cross. In this day and age it's a worry that some knobhead is just out to make money by making a fake claim also as I whiteness once a woman going fucking crazy at a car because she was too busy chatting to another woman to notice the car had stopped he got bored and drove off she went mad I pointed out to her he waited and drove off because she was chatting, then I received a mouthful.

"ped = pedestrian

cos if it was pedophile we'd mount the kerb"

Nope I don't do murder or want to damage my car regardless of what the person has done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but the problem with zebra crossings is the pedestraian has to step onto the crossing before the traffic is obliged to stop

ooooooooo I dispute that. I'll have to check tho."
no that is correct

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

No I'm merely telling you to read the legislation fm for yourself which you've still failed to do, if you don't want to educate yourself what's the point in me doing it for you?

I've read the legislation, I am fully aware of it. I have been aware of the legislation for a very long time

You, on the other hand, are not aware of it. You quote this £30 ticket but don't back it up with any facts or links. You have moved on to personal comments instead of backing up your dubious claims.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

Yes but if you don't stop when the pedestrian is clearly waiting in the eyes of the law you weren't prepared to stop and are legally liable for not doing so "

Really? Now you are going into the realms of crystal ball gazing. What part of the motorist is not legally obliged to stop until a pedestrian is actually on the crossing are you having problems with?

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

I've also said the legislations been quoted on this thread sorry you don't understand the big words in it

When you have to resort to making personal comments, it undermines your opinion and speaks volumes about you.

No I'm merely telling you to read the legislation fm for yourself which you've still failed to do, if you don't want to educate yourself what's the point in me doing it for you?

You're also the only guy on here claiming it's not a law surely that alone should tell you something?

What this tells me is that you are totally clueless and don't know what you are talking about. I'm not the only guy on here making such a claim. What I am saying is backed up by other posters and also the legislation.

You are the one who has made the claim about getting a £30 ticket for not stopping and letting a pedestrian cross, but without telling us what offence.

A bit of advice.......when in a hole, stop digging.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

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Yes but if you don't stop when the pedestrian is clearly waiting in the eyes of the law you weren't prepared to stop and are legally liable for not doing so

Sorry, but you're wrong, as you've been told several times.

Read the law, it's on a legislation gov site.

It may be the decent thing to do, but it's not incumbent on a motorist/cyclist to stop at a Zebra crossing just because someone is waiting to cross.

If however, they step on to the crossing, the pedestrian has right of way and the motorist/cyclist must stop.

I don't know why you keep trying to argue a point over which you are totally and irrefutably wrong, and where there is definitive documentation which if you would read, you would see confirms this."

Well by all means come to my nice little town and tell the police officers that are ticketing people for that exact reason they aren't doing their jobs right

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

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Well by all means come to my nice little town and tell the police officers that are ticketing people for that exact reason they aren't doing their jobs right "

You still haven't said what offence the ticket was for. Failing to stop at a Zebra crossing is not an offence, as the law quite clearly states.

So, the ticket must have been for something else, but you continually decline to state what for?

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

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Well by all means come to my nice little town and tell the police officers that are ticketing people for that exact reason they aren't doing their jobs right

You still haven't said what offence the ticket was for. Failing to stop at a Zebra crossing is not an offence, as the law quite clearly states.

So, the ticket must have been for something else, but you continually decline to state what for?"

I have said in my first post at this particular crossing they are doing it for people failing to stop when people are clearly waiting not just when people have already started to cross

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

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Well by all means come to my nice little town and tell the police officers that are ticketing people for that exact reason they aren't doing their jobs right

You still haven't said what offence the ticket was for. Failing to stop at a Zebra crossing is not an offence, as the law quite clearly states.

So, the ticket must have been for something else, but you continually decline to state what for?

I have said in my first post at this particular crossing they are doing it for people failing to stop when people are clearly waiting not just when people have already started to cross "

But you still haven't said what the offence is (sigh).

There is no legal offence of failing to stop at a Zebra crossing. If that was the wording on the ticket, it's a made up charge that would be thrown out by any magistrate.

So, what offence are they ticketing them for?

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

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Well by all means come to my nice little town and tell the police officers that are ticketing people for that exact reason they aren't doing their jobs right

You still haven't said what offence the ticket was for. Failing to stop at a Zebra crossing is not an offence, as the law quite clearly states.

So, the ticket must have been for something else, but you continually decline to state what for?

I have said in my first post at this particular crossing they are doing it for people failing to stop when people are clearly waiting not just when people have already started to cross

But you still haven't said what the offence is (sigh).

There is no legal offence of failing to stop at a Zebra crossing. If that was the wording on the ticket, it's a made up charge that would be thrown out by any magistrate.

So, what offence are they ticketing them for?"

A lot of people would pay up rather than go to court and risk a larger fine...

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

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A lot of people would pay up rather than go to court and risk a larger fine..."

Some would, but some would check the law. Then they'd challenge it and it would be found to be either a made up charge, or a misapplication of an existing charge. Then they'd go to the Daily Fail, and there would be an inquiry and all the convictions quashed.

curcymama has repeatedly declined to state what offence they were being ticketed for. Which to me, means she does not know. Which means she's either passing on unsubstantiated hearsay, or misconstruing something she's read, or maybe a news report is inaccurate - but she could post the link to a newspaper story.

Anyhow, as a result of this thread, I educated myself as to the letter of the law, and as I have a dashcam, if I'm ever ticketed, I'll be able to challenge and provide definitive evidence.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

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Well by all means come to my nice little town and tell the police officers that are ticketing people for that exact reason they aren't doing their jobs right

You still haven't said what offence the ticket was for. Failing to stop at a Zebra crossing is not an offence, as the law quite clearly states.

So, the ticket must have been for something else, but you continually decline to state what for?

I have said in my first post at this particular crossing they are doing it for people failing to stop when people are clearly waiting not just when people have already started to cross

But you still haven't said what the offence is (sigh).

There is no legal offence of failing to stop at a Zebra crossing. If that was the wording on the ticket, it's a made up charge that would be thrown out by any magistrate.

So, what offence are they ticketing them for?"

I've just said they have been doing it for failing to stop while a pedestrian is waiting to cross that is the offence, Good luck on the thread I'm out fed up of repeating myself

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

If you see someone waiting to cross who haven't dared put a foot onto the crossing but don't stop because of your literal interpretation of the law as you see it, then you're a twat!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The interpretation of the law will be determine by your position at the time, as the crossings limits are different for both pedestrian and vehicle.

As I interpret the legislation;

The zigzag markings indicate the start of the crossing for a vehicle and if you are inside them before a pedestrian is ready to cross, i.e stood waiting, then you are within the law to continue driving. If the pedestrian is already waiting before you enter the zigzag markings and you fail to stop, you are in breach of the legislation.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

But you still haven't said what the offence is (sigh).

There is no legal offence of failing to stop at a Zebra crossing. If that was the wording on the ticket, it's a made up charge that would be thrown out by any magistrate.

So, what offence are they ticketing them for?"

So much for her claim that I was the only person with the same viewpoint as you. Clearly I am not alone. And her "come to my town and tell the police they are doing it wrong" is very lame.

Conclusion? Curvymama doesn't know what she is talking about.

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By *elson61Man
over a year ago

WELWYN GARDEN CITY

"If you see someone waiting to cross who haven't dared put a foot onto the crossing but don't stop because of your literal interpretation of the law as you see it, then you're a twat!

That's very harsh. Your literal interpretation of what people should do at zebra crossings doesn't take into account circumstances that could affect a person stopping, such as a wet road, someone driving very close behind them etc.

And how can you tell from your car that a person standing on the side of the road hasn't dared to put their foot on the crossing? Do they have a placard which tells the driver this? Do they look totally scared?

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"If you see someone waiting to cross who haven't dared put a foot onto the crossing but don't stop because of your literal interpretation of the law as you see it, then you're a twat!

If your driving on a wet road surface surely as a "good driver" you should know you're stoppage time is longer and therefore be slowing down approaching a known crossing in preparation to stop sooner, the drivers behind you should also be slowing in preparation for an up coming crossing too, someone clearly stood waiting at a crossing shouldnt need a placard just to cross on a crossing where they have right of way, unless they are faced with an ignorant driver that thinks he owns the road

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

The amount of times I've nearly been run over as a result of people not stopping...when I've stepped onto the crossing..fucking just stop

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Rule 195 of the Highway Code updated as of 1st April 2016

Zebra crossings.

As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop You MUST let them cross

you MUST also give way when a pedestrian has already moved onto a crossing

Be aware allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

The emphasised use of MUST makes it pretty clear that pedestrians have right of way

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Rule 195 of the Highway Code updated as of 1st April 2016

Zebra crossings.

As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop You MUST let them cross

you MUST also give way when a pedestrian has already moved onto a crossing

Be aware allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

The emphasised use of MUST makes it pretty clear that pedestrians have right of way "

Some drivers think otherwise it seems

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By *ex_OnTheBeachCouple
over a year ago

kent ( by the seaside )

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?"

When I finish work I have to cross a zebra crossing that runs through a shopping centre to get to the bus stop, I've lost count of the near misses I've had where drivers just haven't bothered to stop! So no, not just a London thing

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Rule 195 of the Highway Code updated as of 1st April 2016

Zebra crossings.

As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop You MUST let them cross

you MUST also give way when a pedestrian has already moved onto a crossing

Be aware allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

The emphasised use of MUST makes it pretty clear that pedestrians have right of way "

Rule 19

Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing.

*****Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing.*******

Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"Rule 195 of the Highway Code updated as of 1st April 2016

Zebra crossings.

As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop You MUST let them cross

you MUST also give way when a pedestrian has already moved onto a crossing

Be aware allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

The emphasised use of MUST makes it pretty clear that pedestrians have right of way

Rule 19

*****Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing.*******

Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped."

Yeah I see they haven't updated that so now the rules contradict themselves one says the driver must stop the other doesn't wonder if that's an oversight somewhere?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Rule 195 of the Highway Code updated as of 1st April 2016

Zebra crossings.

As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop You MUST let them cross

you MUST also give way when a pedestrian has already moved onto a crossing

Be aware allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

The emphasised use of MUST makes it pretty clear that pedestrians have right of way

Rule 19

*****Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing.*******

Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.

Yeah I see they haven't updated that so now the rules contradict themselves one says the driver must stop the other doesn't wonder if that's an oversight somewhere? "

there is no contradiction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Zebra crossing I take each morning on way to work (near a school) only about 50% of drivers stop these days to let you cross, With certain ethnic groups being the worse offenders

Is this just a London thing ?

Has anyone suggested that you are suffering from an over active sense of entitlement

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Rule 195 of the Highway Code updated as of 1st April 2016

Zebra crossings.

As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop You MUST let them cross

you MUST also give way when a pedestrian has already moved onto a crossing

Be aware allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

The emphasised use of MUST makes it pretty clear that pedestrians have right of way "

The last update published on-line by HM Govt is Feb 2016, not Apr.

You have misquoted it to suit your own purposes - here is the exact wording:

look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross

you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing

allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads

do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching

be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing.

The MUST only applies to when they are actually on the crossing.

It's quite clear

The law itself hasn't changed either, I checked.

The Highway Code is only referencing a law when it uses the word MUST, all other "rules" are guidelines as it clearly states in it's preface.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

So in a nutshell, if you take rule 195 which sates a driver only MUST stop if there is someone on the crossing, and that the legislation states the crossing starts at the carriageway, not the kerb. Then you consider rule 19 which advises pedestrians to remember that drivers do not have to stop unless you are on the crossing.

Then the inescapable, irrefutable, definitive answer to the OP is yes, it is optional for a motorist stop at a Zebra crossing, unless you are already on it.

In practice, if I'm outside the zig zags (which another poster correctly states is the boundary of the crossing for the motorist) when I see a pedestrian waiting to cross, I will always stop if safe to do so. If I'm inside the zig zags, then I use my discretion, depending on proximity, speed, conditions etc.

But hey, don't take my word for it - use a search engine and actually read the highway code and click on the links to the legislation.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"If you see someone waiting to cross who haven't dared put a foot onto the crossing but don't stop because of your literal interpretation of the law as you see it, then you're a twat!

I'm both a driver and a pedestrian and I'm not stupid. As I said in a previously ignored post, if you see a crossing with people waiting to cross slow down and stop safely. I'm not talking about screeching to a sudden stop when someone approaches a crossing when you are practically on top of it. If can stop safely do so. If you say to yourself 'well they have no foot on the crossing and in my literal interpretation of the law is that I don't have to stop' then fly over the crossing leaving them stood there, then you are a twat. I care not one shit if anyone thinks that is harsh. Be decent to people not selfish and then justify your selfishness by quoting the law ad nauseum. SimplE really.

I manage to stop safely when I see crossings coming up where people are waiting because I SLOW DOWN in plenty of time. It's not fecking rocket science.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

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I manage to stop safely when I see crossings coming up where people are waiting because I SLOW DOWN in plenty of time. It's not fecking rocket science."

I don't think anyone is disagreeing (and just because no-one comments, doesn't mean your post is ignored, but you can take this as evidence that someone at least, reads your posts

)

But there was a discussion on a point of law, which I believe I have succinctly and accurately articulated above.

Some people have just spouted made up bullshit, which makes them look stupid as the the actual wording of the law can be easily checked in seconds by anyone who knows how to use a search engine.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

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I manage to stop safely when I see crossings coming up where people are waiting because I SLOW DOWN in plenty of time. It's not fecking rocket science.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing (and just because no-one comments, doesn't mean your post is ignored, but you can take this as evidence that someone at least, reads your posts

)

But there was a discussion on a point of law, which I believe I have succinctly and accurately articulated above.

Some people have just spouted made up bullshit, which makes them look stupid as the the actual wording of the law can be easily checked in seconds by anyone who knows how to use a search engine."

I appreciate that but in my view the legal aspect is irrelevant. It's a case of being decent or a twat. Some people may use an interpretation of the law to justify their twattery and that's the only way the law is relevant in this discussion in my opinion.

Do you think you have a moral obligation to be decent to people or not? That's all people need to consider. If you think your don't then you're a twat. In my experience, as a pedestrian, if I stand next to a crossing people tend to stop without me having to step foot on it. Because in general people are decent.

Everyone who doesn't stop is a twat (kind of like that word). If someone is happy to behave like that good for them. But don't moan when you're called a twat. That's the choice you made.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

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Everyone who doesn't stop is a twat (kind of like that word). If someone is happy to behave like that good for them. But don't moan when you're called a twat. That's the choice you made."

Who you calling twat, twat!

If that was aimed at me, then you obviously haven't read my post about what I do in practice

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"...

Everyone who doesn't stop is a twat (kind of like that word). If someone is happy to behave like that good for them. But don't moan when you're called a twat. That's the choice you made.

Who you calling twat, twat!

If that was aimed at me, then you obviously haven't read my post about what I do in practice

I'm not calling individuals twat. If you read what I've said carefully is people have a choice between being decent or being a twat. If they choose the latter then they can't complain when they are referred to as such.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Spent a few hours googling and found a few variations of the 195 ruling and even emailed the Highway Code, so I'll apologise for mis quoting an inaccurate source but I didn't amend it to suit my own means as assumed.

However even though you only legally have to stop if they are already on the crossing (which many don't do too ive had a few near misses in that regard) from the email they've sent it doesn't change the fact that a driver should slow down approaching a crossing In plenty of time so they are prepared to stop in the event of a pedestrian waiting, so the gent that claimed that because there's no one behind him means they can cross safely after he's drove by so won't stop for the is essentially in the wrong (in at least a cure our road user way) and the pedestrian should still be given right of way and he should stop his vehicle because he clearly has time to do so in that circumstance as the lady keeps saying him not stopping in that circumstance makes him a bit of a twat.

we all have busy lives but what is one minute waiting at a crossing really going to do you in the grand scheme of things?

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

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Everyone who doesn't stop is a twat (kind of like that word). If someone is happy to behave like that good for them. But don't moan when you're called a twat. That's the choice you made.

Who you calling twat, twat!

If that was aimed at me, then you obviously haven't read my post about what I do in practice

Ah, but now you've re-worded it in the 3rd person, rather than the second person which could be taken as personally accusatory in the context of a direct quoted reply

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Bring back pelicans!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

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Everyone who doesn't stop is a twat (kind of like that word). If someone is happy to behave like that good for them. But don't moan when you're called a twat. That's the choice you made.

Who you calling twat, twat!

If that was aimed at me, then you obviously haven't read my post about what I do in practice

Ah, but now you've re-worded it in the 3rd person, rather than the second person which could be taken as personally accusatory in the context of a direct quoted reply

You know what I don't care. If you want to be pedantic please yourself. I was not directing it at you. Wanna argue every tiny detail? Find someone else. Really can't be arsed. Take offence, take no offence. Up to you.

To me it's clear what I'm saying. Obviously you want to draw me in to something. Not gonna happen.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

"I wouldn't just assume it's safe to walk straight out on to the crossing without making sure the driver has seen me first."

Defo. You should NEVER just assume it's safe to cross. Wait till traffic has stopped.

Also Goodness knows how many people I seen that just walk right out (with headphones on). Obviously some people think they are on suicide mission or something.

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