FabSwingers.com forum: Speed awareness course

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i found mine quite informative and educational but i guess its the attitude you take in with you that makes the difference.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

You don't sound very contrite.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

and you were over the posted speed limit....you were taking the piss.

i am not a sanctimonious ex speeder...i got caught the other day but got off with a warning but i was humble in my acceptance of the fact that i was speeding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did a post on this a couple of.weeks ago. Actually the course was alright, informative and I learnt things is either not.known or forgotten about

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

"i found mine quite informative and educational but i guess its the attitude you take in with you that makes the difference."

I would agree with this

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Better than the alternative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got caught I paid the fine and took the points. I was offered the course but couldn't be bothered plus they were holding it miles away. My Dad did one and he said it was pretty good to be fair.

I could however be bothered to slow down and not been silly since so the Points have gone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The only reason I was peeved off was because the camera was literally at the end of the motorway - so people who are slowing down from the motorway can still get whacked. The other reason I'm peeved was because the camera was hidden behind a tree. Also I am a pretty safe driver and think speed limits are quite ridiculous in general and are set for those few idiots that drive stupidly fast.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

That's 25 percent over. Enough to kill someone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

To be fair I spoke to one of my lecturers - he was like one of the positives is that there will be usually a lot of young ladies on the courses haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only reason I was peeved off was because the camera was literally at the end of the motorway - so people who are slowing down from the motorway can still get whacked. The other reason I'm peeved was because the camera was hidden behind a tree. Also I am a pretty safe driver and think speed limits are quite ridiculous in general and are set for those few idiots that drive stupidly fast. "

Once you do the course and find out all about stopping distances and hitting people at different speeds you may well think differently, at least I hope so. I do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Once you do the course and find out all about stopping distances and hitting people at different speeds you may well think differently, at least I hope so. I do."

I may leave a changed man, you never know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

They are worse than tedious .

Quite possibly the longest morning of my life , taught me nothing , and never again .

Good luck mate , you'll need it

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

unfortunately you are not in charge of what speed limits apply and where so you have to do as you are told lol

there is no slowing down space after the speed limit changes. you should be slowing down ahead of the change of limit so that you enter the new zone at the correct speed.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Also I am a pretty safe driver"

Everyone thinks that. Including idiot drivers.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"To be fair I spoke to one of my lecturers - he was like one of the positives is that there will be usually a lot of young ladies on the courses haha

sorry to piss on your chips but mine was full of middle aged 'good drivers'

except me of course haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're not as safe a driver as you think you are if you exceed the speed limit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"
if you were going a lot faster .. In your case 40+ Or you already had points you wouldn't get the the course option

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since as a nation we are subject to speed limits, I bought a car that doesn't go particularly fast.1.8 N/A 140bhp....does the job it needs to.

However....

There isn't limits on how loud they can be

so I built a loud car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take the course. You was speeding no excuse.

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

I know a guy who's one of the instructors in west Yorkshire, don't go in with a cock sure know it all attitude they can take you off the course and you'll end up with the points and fine or Don't speed, that way no course or points and fine..

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

The course is great fun, ask lots of questions. The dumber but pertinent the better. You will be amazed at what you can the instructors to admit to. I got one to say that there are times when it is correct to run over cyclists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had do do one, and in fairness it does make you think a lot more not just about speed but road positioning. How interesting it is I think is down to how good the people running It are. Ours you could have a laugh and a joke with so it was quite fun in a warped kind of way

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

"i found mine quite informative and educational but i guess its the attitude you take in with you that makes the difference."

Agreed.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

There are NO 30 m.p.h zones that apply BEFORE the end of the motorway.

You were on the road doing 37 in a 30 zone. That's ...... 37 in a 30 zone.

Has anyone mentioned to you that the top speed in a 30 zone is 30 ?

Cos you seem kind of shocked and certainly don't seem to think it's anything to do with you. You make out it's someone elses fault.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

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"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had to go to the full day version of the course for dangerous driving, and I really enjoyed it actually. It was good to have a refresher on some of the more nuanced parts of driving that I hadn't managed to take in during my lessons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spot on ms crumpet x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i found mine quite informative and educational but i guess its the attitude you take in with you that makes the difference.

Agreed."

Yes I found mine interesting. Was a bit annoyed with myself as I thought it was a 40 mph road and it was a 30 .But never made that mistake again.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"
. I have never been on one as I have a clean licence and have done both an advanced driving test and hold a full C & E licence for lorrries and Cat D for buses .

However , any competent driver should have no difficulty adhering to speed limits and if they are alert will be able to identify all the warning signs for the relevant speed limits will never pick up a ticket .

If you go on any course with the right attitude , you cannot fail to learn.

Life is one long learning process .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had to go to the full day version of the course for dangerous driving, and I really enjoyed it actually. It was good to have a refresher on some of the more nuanced parts of driving that I hadn't managed to take in during my lessons."

Heel and toe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

You get the choice. We don't (I don't think anyway). £100 and 3 points.

I heard it was supposed to be zero tolerance up here now too (Though I'm a bit sceptical on that as I can't see how it would work legally). So no 10% plus one or two mph anymore. If you're over, you're nicked.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. "
they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Done two

Original one was a full day half of which was out on road with an instructor and was very good. Modern one was bonk half day watching videos, mildly entertaining I guess but not of much benefit really.

Some sanctimonious folk here, cameras are about income not safety that's why they hide them or put them at the very last edge of a 30 limit as it goes to 40 etc. and the limits were set after the bloody war and are a bit out of date imho

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

Once you do the course and find out all about stopping distances and hitting people at different speeds you may well think differently, at least I hope so. I do.

I may leave a changed man, you never know!"

I did.

I like to get places quickly, make progress on the roads, but I am careful in built up areas, but I still got done at 36 in a 30 limit, (I genuinely actually thought I was in a 40 limit).

When you sit there and watch the videos etc, it does make you realise how much of a difference a few MPH does make if things go wrong.

Do the course, and ask yourself, what if your child was hit by a car... wouldn't you want the speed to be as low as possible?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah think, I'm just going to try to make the best of a bad situation. Love how some on here have just assumed I'm some cocky/up their own arse kind of guy - I'm really now. Just think speed limits aren't really that necessary if you drive sensibly and yeah I was doing 37 but as far as I'm concerned I wasn't endangering anyone. Just think a lot of the time it's just a moneymaking scheme for the government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing about this post makes me thinkk you are athe safe driver you believe that you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss). I have never been on one as I have a clean licence and have done both an advanced driving test and hold a full C & E licence for lorrries and Cat D for buses .

If you go on any course with the right attitude , you cannot fail to learn.

Life is one long learning process ."

See, I get the irritation with the OPs lax attitude but I find this equally irritating.

I've also got all these licences, drive all over Europe for weeks at a time with some precious kit - living and inanimate and ride. I speed. Had a clean licence until 2 years ago (3 points). It was clean by luck more than anything. Everyone speeds. If you drive trucks you definitely speed. I pick my nose when I drive too AND I fart. No one is that fucking holy. No one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah think, I'm just going to try to make the best of a bad situation. Love how some on here have just assumed I'm some cocky/up their own arse kind of guy - I'm really now. Just think speed limits aren't really that necessary if you drive sensibly and yeah I was doing 37 but as far as I'm concerned I wasn't endangering anyone. Just think a lot of the time it's just a moneymaking scheme for the government."

I didn't think that *I* was endangering anyone either. And then I nearly drove into a family of three's car while speeding.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

If your boss paid you 30 quid per hour instead of the 37 per hour that was law.... ?

You STILL can't admit fault.

F.Y.I. I don't agree with all speed limits but the law is set. If you SPEED and you did just suck it up ffs......

And people are not sanctimonious as one poster suggested for not patting you on the back and blaming everyone else..... that's what your mum is for.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

No I do completely accept responsibility - just questioning the validity of some cameras.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"No I do completely accept responsibility - just questioning the validity of some cameras."

Okay. I take back everything i've said then.

Did you come off the 57 or the 62 ?

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did mine a few weeks back, go with an open mind and they are very good and very informative. Re-learnt things from the past I had forgotten. Should be mandatory to everybody after so many of driving as things change over the years and we all become complacent at the wheel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I do completely accept responsibility - just questioning the validity of some cameras."

The validity? It caught you speeding. Makes it pretty valid, I would say.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences "

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

The speed limits are not consistent.. 30 should be in a built up area.. Sometimes they are set at 40 .. Sometimes the roads have hardly any houses and certainly not near a school ..yet the limit is set at thirty .. And guess where the speed traps are set

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The speed limits are not consistent.. 30 should be in a built up area.. Sometimes they are set at 40 .. Sometimes the roads have hardly any houses and certainly not near a school ..yet the limit is set at thirty .. And guess where the speed traps are set

It ain't a trap if there's a massive sign saying what speed you should be doing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. "

And you have the accident statistics to back this up I assume?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

It ain't a trap if there's a massive sign saying what speed you should be doing?

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there usually isn't a fucking great thirty sign .. Hence its just bollox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What, like 37 in a 30......

I strongly suggest you do the course, you'll learn exactly the difference the 7 mph makes.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences "
ah so the speed camera placed close to the school crossing where there has been two deaths due to idiots speeding down the hill is only there to collect money ?oh and btw its in full plain view as are the markings on the road but then if you wernt driving to fast you wouldnt miss them would you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about rural areas where children walk to school and so forth?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences ah so the speed camera placed close to the school crossing where there has been two deaths due to idiots speeding down the hill is only there to collect money ?oh and btw its in full plain view as are the markings on the road but then if you wernt driving to fast you wouldnt miss them would you "
of course in the case of a school speeds have to be controlled.. Flashing signs showing 20 mph and beware school children are used near me .. And I abide by these .. And be aware that kids might run out

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?"

I agree. But, my point remains. They've just gone completely over the top with it. I know one such road in the middle of nowhere, just fields surrounding it, no humans anywhere, no pavement, no houses for miles. It's now a 30mph limit. For the last 30 years it's been the national speed limit. Nothing in the vicinity has changed. At all.

Apart from the hawthorn hedge has grown a few feet.

Some boy racer's probably killed himself down to his own stupidity and his passengers and some jobsworth's had a 'good idea'.

Numpty.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?

Apart from the hawthorn hedge has grown a few feet.

Some boy racer's probably killed himself down to his own stupidity and his passengers and some jobsworth's had a 'good idea'.

Numpty. "
that is my point also

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There's a reason it's 30, you don't know the reason.

Do the course and I guarantee you'll know the feckin reason.

My ex had her skull smashed to pieces and her back broken because some fucking twat decided to speed because he decided that the speed limit was wrong and he knew better.

Do the course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There's a reason it's 30, you don't know the reason.

Do the course and I guarantee you'll know the feckin reason.

My ex had her skull smashed to pieces and her back broken because some fucking twat decided to speed because he decided that the speed limit was wrong and he knew better.

Do the course.

Not you, him!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

You get the choice. We don't (I don't think anyway). £100 and 3 points.

That 10% plus 1 thing is a myth.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?

Apart from the hawthorn hedge has grown a few feet.

Some boy racer's probably killed himself down to his own stupidity and his passengers and some jobsworth's had a 'good idea'.

Numpty. that is my point also

I meant the jobsworth's the numpty.

Numpty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?

Apart from the hawthorn hedge has grown a few feet.

Some boy racer's probably killed himself down to his own stupidity and his passengers and some jobsworth's had a 'good idea'.

Numpty. "

Some boy racer might have killed himself. It might well be safer as a 30 mile per hour zone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From some of the comments made on this thread a few of you shouldn't have a licence at all.

Now I understand why whenever I'm doing 30mph in a 30 limit I get some know it all dickhead driving up my arse.

Perhaps on a motorway the limit should be increased a little, but not in a built up area.

Some of you seem to think that speed limits are only there to annoy you. Are you really that dim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

You get the choice. We don't (I don't think anyway). £100 and 3 points.

That 10% plus 1 thing is a myth. "

They tell you that on the course.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Stripes - good point pal

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?

Apart from the hawthorn hedge has grown a few feet.

Some boy racer's probably killed himself down to his own stupidity and his passengers and some jobsworth's had a 'good idea'.

Numpty.

Some boy racer might have killed himself. It might well be safer as a 30 mile per hour zone."

I think there's an echo in here

Let's make it 20, or why not 10, even?

That would make it even safer, wouldn't it?

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over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?

Apart from the hawthorn hedge has grown a few feet.

Some boy racer's probably killed himself down to his own stupidity and his passengers and some jobsworth's had a 'good idea'.

Numpty.

Some boy racer might have killed himself. It might well be safer as a 30 mile per hour zone.

I think there's an echo in here

Let's make it 20, or why not 10, even?

That would make it even safer, wouldn't it?

I guess you really are that dim.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

My brother was constantly speeding and had built up quite a few points. It got to the point that his last time getting caught he was faced with the choice of doing the course or losing his licence. He ranted about it claiming to be a good driver.

The course opened his eyes and he realised what a dick he had been. He no longer speeds.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Do the course and just let it wash over you.

I learned nothing from mine that I didn't already know, so if you learn something you should hang your head in shame

It hasn't changed the way I drive, though I'm even more mindful of signage and cameras (the one that got me was totally hidden - it made the papers but the head plod said they didn't have to be visible, that's just a guideline)

Avoid Admiral insurance, they specifically ask if you've done a course and then load your premium.

Best bit on my course, was during a break, one of their admin staff returned to the office and reversed into a lampost in the car park - pissed myself.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Sheesh. Just stick to the fecking limit. What's the big deal? So many speeders fly past me commuting to and from work who I catch up with at traffic lights, I wonder why they bother endangering people to get just one car ahead. Want to get to work earlier? Bloody leave earlier like I do.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Do the course and just let it wash over you.

I learned nothing from mine that I didn't already know, so if you learn something you should hang your head in shame

Avoid Admiral insurance, they specifically ask if you've done a course and then load your premium.

Best bit on my course, was during a break, one of their admin staff returned to the office and reversed into a lampost in the car park - pissed myself.

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so your more mindfull of signage and cameras but you havent changed the way you drive ???? so you have as you are more mindfull of the road around you oh and anyonw who thoinks they have nothing to learn about driving should have thier licence taken away

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

this is a classic..

do you think some random person, lets assume Mary the tea lady at the council goes out in between tea rounds and gets to say which speed limit applies to where..?

its set for a reason and sadly only after the lessons have been learnt for some in tragic circumstances either there or elsewhere..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

What's that thing they say about repeating the same behaviour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Some 30 limits shouldn't even be 30 limits.

You have my sympathies. they are 30 for a reason weather you like it or not obey or pay the concequences

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

There are vast amounts of data to suggest that they are right...as in road safety campaigners,Roads policing units etc.

Do the research and you'll find out how statistically a few miles over the limit in a 30 mph zone increases the chance of killing a pedestrian dramatically.

Yes a lot of people can drive safely over the speed limit. However maintaining vigilance all the time is beyond us all. We all have lapses of concentration. ..and that's where it has a bearing?

Apart from the hawthorn hedge has grown a few feet.

Some boy racer's probably killed himself down to his own stupidity and his passengers and some jobsworth's had a 'good idea'.

Numpty.

Some boy racer might have killed himself. It might well be safer as a 30 mile per hour zone.

I think there's an echo in here

Let's make it 20, or why not 10, even?

That would make it even safer, wouldn't it?

Er, yes, it would.

Regrettably there's always some bell end who thinks he knows better, who thinks his driving skills are superb, who thinks he's the best thing behind the wheel.

Until he sees for himself the result of his pig ignorance.

Do the course.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

...so your more mindfull of signage and cameras but you havent changed the way you drive ???? so you have as you are more mindfull of the road around you oh and anyonw who thoinks they have nothing to learn about driving should have their licence taken away

I never said I don't think I could learn anything about driving - just that I learned nothing from the course - it's basic stuff every driver should know. I read the highway code updates every year.

I'm more mindful of signage yes, in specific situations such as the one that caught me out - nothing dangerous about what I did. Round town and in built up areas I drive like a saint. On the motorway, I get a move on. None that has changed.

Hope you don't fall from that height. High horses can be pretty tall at the shoulder

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

Did one less than 2 weeks ago learned a few things got "taught" things i already knew it was 4 hours long but better than the points not a big deal to worry about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sheesh. Just stick to the fecking limit. What's the big deal? So many speeders fly past me commuting to and from work who I catch up with at traffic lights, I wonder why they bother endangering people to get just one car ahead. Want to get to work earlier? Bloody leave earlier like I do."

This!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was the ony motorcyclist in a room full of car drivers and the "Expert" had never ridden a motorcycle in their life and so wasn't aware of the different hazards faced(& yes I had indicated I was a motorcyclist caught on a motorbike before attending as well).

Eg showed a picture of a road and asked everyone to point out the hazards.

I waited until last and just causally said " there's likely to be diesel on the road"

When asked why I pointed out the bus stop sign that was visible and highlighted that bus routes especially stops are frequently greasy.

Another example was around a ball bouncing out between parked cars, apparently using the width of the road and maneuverability of the bike to get further away from the small child that may be following was not an acceptable answer (even though swerve & avoid is now part of the bike test).

Apart from that it was really interesting ....................honest

Still on the plus side saved me 3 points

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oh and my offence was doing 36mph in a 30 mph zone from a standing start (with pillion) from a set of pedestrian lights where the camera was just past them **Sigh**

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just because someone determines that it should be 30, doesn't necessarily mean they are right.

this is a classic..

do you think some random person, lets assume Mary the tea lady at the council goes out in between tea rounds and gets to say which speed limit applies to where..?

its set for a reason and sadly only after the lessons have been learnt for some in tragic circumstances either there or elsewhere.."

There is something in traffic management around the 80th percentile (feel free to go google it) which basically says that if the speed limit on any given road is set too far above or below the 80th percentile (ie the speed at which 80% of drivers will go if there was no signage) then the accident rate is likely to go up.

There was an example of this close to where I used to live in Dawlish warren where the speed limit on a stretch of road was dropped from 50-40 (and don't even get me started on NS limits being changed to 50's) and went back to 50 after about 18 months I think it was as the accident rate had increased

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By *randMrs Spanish BrunetteCouple
over a year ago

home sweet home

Personally I just wish they'd do ppl for pissing about with their mobile phones at every possible opportunity on the road.. it's like ppl can't leave them alone...

(Hub)

Sent from my S6 ..on the M6..

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By *imited 3EditionCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"i found mine quite informative and educational but i guess its the attitude you take in with you that makes the difference."

I would agree. I had to travel to Newcastle for mine (thanks to speeding on a previous trip from scotland) but it was worthwhile in the end.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I just wish they'd do ppl for pissing about with their mobile phones at every possible opportunity on the road.. it's like ppl can't leave them alone...

(Hub)

Sent from my S6 ..on the M6..

This .

Commuting by motorbike either to Warrington or Manchester daily it's frightening what you see going on inside cars.

All those of you who have never tried it need to get yourself a pillion ride!!

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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline

I understand why people have to go on them but what I don't understand is why people are so proud of the fact that if they go thru one then they wont get any points on their liscense. Unfortunately I believe that you should still get points but maybe not as many as the original punishment warrants. You're basically endangering people's lives by speeding in areas where you shouldn't. If my child was hurt by someone doing say 34 in a 30 zone and by going that bit faster they've stopped my child avoiding being hit then I'm not going to lie I will take it upon myself to cause you the most amount of pain and discomfort humanly possible. I'm responsible for literally hundreds of lives every day I go to work and if I'm caught breaking speed restrictions then I can lose my job so if I can do it for 10 hours a day then you can do it for that 10 min trip to the shops. Don't think about the few seconds you might save but try thinking about how a parent might feel if the lost a child so you could save a few seconds.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Personally I just wish they'd do ppl for pissing about with their mobile phones at every possible opportunity on the road.. it's like ppl can't leave them alone...

(Hub)

Sent from my S6 ..on the M6..

This .

Commuting by motorbike either to Warrington or Manchester daily it's frightening what you see going on inside cars.

All those of you who have never tried it need to get yourself a pillion ride!!"

I was behind a guy squeezing his spots at the traffic lights earlier today

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"I understand why people have to go on them but what I don't understand is why people are so proud of the fact that if they go thru one then they wont get any points on their liscense. Unfortunately I believe that you should still get points but maybe not as many as the original punishment warrants. You're basically endangering people's lives by speeding in areas where you shouldn't. If my child was hurt by someone doing say 34 in a 30 zone and by going that bit faster they've stopped my child avoiding being hit then I'm not going to lie I will take it upon myself to cause you the most amount of pain and discomfort humanly possible. I'm responsible for literally hundreds of lives every day I go to work and if I'm caught breaking speed restrictions then I can lose my job so if I can do it for 10 hours a day then you can do it for that 10 min trip to the shops. Don't think about the few seconds you might save but try thinking about how a parent might feel if the lost a child so you could save a few seconds. "
. A good well written post .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I just wish they'd do ppl for pissing about with their mobile phones at every possible opportunity on the road.. it's like ppl can't leave them alone...

(Hub)

Sent from my S6 ..on the M6..

This .

Commuting by motorbike either to Warrington or Manchester daily it's frightening what you see going on inside cars.

All those of you who have never tried it need to get yourself a pillion ride!!

I was behind a guy squeezing his spots at the traffic lights earlier today"

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That's damned difficult to do with a full face helmet on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That 10% plus 1 thing is a myth. "

I must have been done by a fictitious cop then. I was 36 in a bit where they'd just dropped the limit from 40. His words were 'even with the 10% plus 2 you're still over'

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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline

Apart from the stupid auto carrot when my phone keeps changing words without my knowledge lol. Some people will find it condescending etc but all I'm saying is we all do things a bit wrong but please think about what can happen. Take your punishment but don't be proud of the fact you're getting away with points and consider the course a load of boring nonsense.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

speeding yes I understand....but what about.....people on phones...people smoking or eating or drinking....are these not a danger to other people?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I forgot to go mine, had to pay the £100 fine and take the 3 points, on top of the £80 I paid for the cause

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That 10% plus 1 thing is a myth.

I must have been done by a fictitious cop then. I was 36 in a bit where they'd just dropped the limit from 40. His words were 'even with the 10% plus 2 you're still over'

I was also told 10% +2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually found it quite interesting and informative, helped that the guys that took it were quite funny in how they delivered it

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By *cared and curiousCouple
over a year ago

Jarrow

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

I've done one and really enjoyed it. Really informative and worth doing..

But you soon learn 37 in a 30 is taking the pics. Makes a lot of difference.

I'm not saying you will/should never speed but just be aware.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This

A friend of mine would still have her little boy if the driver had not been speeding (37mph in a 30mph zone)

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By *isa 59Woman
over a year ago

Newcastle

That 10% plus 1 thing is a myth.

I must have been done by a fictitious cop then. I was 36 in a bit where they'd just dropped the limit from 40. His words were 'even with the 10% plus 2 you're still over'

I was also told 10% +2"

Once upon a time officers were allowed a degree of discretion when it came to speeding...that has now been banned and the speed limit is the speed limit...end of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just move to Reading, you'll be delighted to get up to 30...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Obviously I feel sorry for any parent who has lost a child, but speed is not the only issue. many drivers spend too much time looking at the speedo to avoid a fine and not enough watching the pavements for risks. Also parents have a responsibility to not let children out alone until they know the risk and how to handle roads.

Yes speeding is wrong, but blaming speed is not always appropriate.

P.S. as far as can be tested the driver who killed my first wife was not speeding. sometimes shit just goes wrong

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By *mojeeCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline

"Obviously I feel sorry for any parent who has lost a child, but speed is not the only issue. many drivers spend too much time looking at the speedo to avoid a fine and not enough watching the pavements for risks. Also parents have a responsibility to not let children out alone until they know the risk and how to handle roads.

Yes speeding is wrong, but blaming speed is not always appropriate.

P.S. as far as can be tested the driver who killed my first wife was not speeding. sometimes shit just goes wrong

Of course parents have a responsibility. I try to reach my child about the dangers of the road but children are children and as such they have the attention span of seconds. Adults on the other hand take a driving g test to prove they have the attention span for the duration of the journey they are taking. That's why nowadays there is the theory and practical tests to show they can have that attention span. You're the driver of a motor powered vehicle and a child is basically that, and that is why you take a test. You need to show you are observant to any particular hazards and all things that you can avoid while driving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I learnt that in the whole of Hampshire only 6 cameras work at any one time; however, u never know which 6.

Most of the times I got pulled over though (for whatever reason) I get away with cos I flutter eyelids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We was all asked to be honest and admit how fast we have done on the road, the copper said he has done 100mph on occasion and in this lite others said 90, 110, 85 etc until they got to me and I said 186 mph lol. He said Biker? Yep. I know its not clever but I also have a clean licence and full no claims in cars and bikes for over 30 years. Drive or ride fast in the right place an time is better than idiots blasting hot hatches down main roads in the middle of the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes speeding is wrong, but blaming speed is not always appropriate.

P.S. as far as can be tested the driver who killed my first wife was not speeding. sometimes shit just goes wrong

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over a year ago

"I learnt that in the whole of Hampshire only 6 cameras work at any one time; however, u never know which 6.

Most of the times I got pulled over though (for whatever reason) I get away with cos I flutter eyelids"

My only real problem with speed cameras is they take policemen off the streets, unlike cameras Police have discretion for time of day, traffic conditions etc. As well as achieving a lot that a camera could never do just by being out there.

I am no angel, picked up 3 points last year for doing 35 in a 30 zone, it was a fair cop so no complaints.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just bought a old Land Rover...lucky to get close to any speed limits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just bought a old Land Rover...lucky to get close to any speed limits."

But shaped to kill at low speed, and if it's rely old needs 100 x more breaking distance

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Well .... all I can say is this thread has indicated who the idiots are .... well done ... youve been lucky up till now ... If you exceed the speed limit you must accept the consequences .... but some folk never learn ....you wont always get away with it....

I think everyone should go on an awareness course .... we all need refreshing from time to time ....

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Course is so boring. Worst 4 hours ever. Did 38 in a 30.

Few weeks later got caught doing 94 down the motorway.

If I'd been doing a couple mph more I'd have no licence.

That was enough to make me shit my pants. That and seeing a crash not too long after and seeing people having to be cut out.

Haven't sped since.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes speeding is wrong, but blaming speed is not always appropriate.

P.S. as far as can be tested the driver who killed my first wife was not speeding. sometimes shit just goes wrong

Sorry for your loss.

Poor observation, poor car control, poor forward planning are major contributors to accidents.

Add in speeding and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed

Speed is a contributory factor...... incorrect speed for the situation/ driver error is the main cause of accidents.......

I drive 45,000 miles a year for work and ride a bicycle 7,000 miles a year and see godawful speeding in the wrong situations every day....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you go on any course with the right attitude , you cannot fail to learn.

Life is one long learning process .

See, I get the irritation with the OPs lax attitude but I find this equally irritating.

F "

Not everyone speeds. I don't speed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Use "Waze" that will tell you where the camaras are in future

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"
they save you points but not money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having read the whole thread I can see where all parties are coming from.

I have had to do the course, I was a bit annoyed but fair enough I was speeding, however like the OP I couldn't figure out why the speed limit was 50 there, I was on a dual carriageway, chances are it's a high risk area. I used to do a lot of driving and noticed rather a lot of cameras pop up in many of the location there hasn't been any serious accidents that I'm aware of.

I'd say that some cameras are in locations that are accident black spots but I'd also say there are a good few that are cash cows.

Speeding can kill this is true but the actions of other drivers can cause the accident eg on Saturday I was driving on the m4 near Heathrow when a bellend in a golf pulled in front of me at while I was driving slightly over 70 in the inside lane I had to slam my breaks on.

Then there's the morons who walk out in the road without a care in the world, just yesterday I saw a woman walk out onto oncoming traffic with her 5 year old, children may have a small attention span but a parent is a responsible adult and thus should teach the child road safety by example. Don't go Blaming the driver just because of others stupidity.

That being said I found the course informative and would recommend it for the learning experience, for those that say they learnt nothing and they knew it all, why/how did you get caught?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know this camera...end of M62. They moved it back a few years ago so that you hit it a bit sooner than previously. However the 40mph limit is sign posted well in advance and before you hit the lights at the flyover. You should already have slowed. If you are talking about the 30mph limit that is after the flyover and off the motorway.

37 is well over 30 and you were lucky to be offered the course. Normally this is from 33-35 (just over). At 37 it is normally fine and points!

Feel free to go and be cynical....and expect to learn nothing and to get caught again. Or you can go and learn...choice is yours!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's that thing they say about repeating the same behaviour "
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Genius

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

Very informative. But avoid sitting with the: police have it in for me Asians, I drive for a living know-it-all, and cyclists are a menace brigade. Sit with the ladies, far more sensible and not prone to pathetic playground outbursts.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

The most useful place for a speed camera is just off the end of a motorway.

After you have been driving at higher sppeds for miles a slower spped like 30 seems to be crawling.

Many people do not realise how fast they are going and a speed camera wakes them up before they kill someone.

BTW those people who claim they thought they were in a 40 rather than a 30 should be done for driving without due care and attention rather than speeding as it is your duty to know what the spped limit is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)"

The worst part of these courses are the arrogant dickwads who won't accept that they were doing anything wrong when they broke the speed limit.

I've had to do this course twice. Both times I had missed variable speed limit drops, but I know that it was my responsibility to have been more aware and I took it like a man, but when you see my moron wheel spinning his company BMW into the car park and spend the entire 4 hours sighing and huffing from the back of the room, you just know he's there because he needs to avoid going over the 12 points...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

Oh god yes i had a few of each group. Amazingly when asked what the national speed limit was on a single carriageway was I think 80% of my class said 30mph,even the course leader said they were a danger to others. Maybe we need to introduce a refresher whenever you need to update your licence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have done two. The course was informative in places , and a bit condescending in others. Still better than points though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Speeding can kill this is true but the actions of other drivers can cause the accident eg on Saturday I was driving on the m4 near Heathrow when a bellend in a golf pulled in front of me at while I was driving slightly over 70 in the inside lane I had to slam my breaks on."

To be fair the slip roads are visible, you should have anticipated the golf joining, what else would it do?

We are all human, we all fuck up, most accidents happen when 2 people fuck up in the same space and time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went on one where one driver admitted his motorbike didn't have a speedometer and he wondered why we all looked horrified at his admission !

Sarah

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over a year ago

I've got one to get onto. The last one I did 5 years ago was tedious but the instructor was gorgeous

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over a year ago

I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

An empty dual carriageway on a clear, dry day though is a different matter - after all the speed limits were designed for cars with less efficient brakes and suspension....and the "other road users" aren't an issue on an empty road where visibility is excellent

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

That's twice you have used the word proud.

I wasn't PROUD to not get points. I was pleased to not get points. It's an incentive used to encourage drivers, who are slipping in their vigilance, to re educate themselves.

Fining people and putting points on their licence may slow them down until the 3 year period is up but it doesn't educate and re train.

Inconvenience AND education change peoples minds and behaviours far more than just beating them up with points and fines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

But and I don't know it may make no difference - say you're doing 100 miles per hour on your empty side and your car mounts the central reservation. Hits a car on the other side of the dual carriageway - surely the results of the impact will be worse than sticking to 70?

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over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Got to go on one on monday, are they really as tedious as they sound? (Got caught by a camera just off the motorway 37 in a 30 so wasn't even taking the piss)

The worst part of these courses are the arrogant dickwads who won't accept that they were doing anything wrong when they broke the speed limit.

So right. Arrogant dickwads who STILL wont accept that if you speed their are consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?"

If we knew than lots wouldn't happen, would it. Put it this way- speed scares me. I've seen those in the fast lane who seem to think they're invincible. I know you're saying in certain conditions but -

All you'd need is a freak event - a deer runs across ? A piece of unseen debris in the road etc etc. Your car has an unknown fault , a tyre blows?

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?"
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Seems to happen alot in motor racing... Maybe we should breath test them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?.

Seems to happen alot in motor racing... Maybe we should breath test them

If I was on a dual carriageway with corners designed to test traction and grip I don't think I'd count it as "suitable road conditions"...the clues are there if you read all the words?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?

All you'd need is a freak event - a deer runs across ? A piece of unseen debris in the road etc etc. Your car has an unknown fault , a tyre blows?

Sarah "

I agree. I had a tyre blow out in the outside lane on the M60. I had just moved across and got up to 70 when it went. I was lucky, managed to get across 2 lanes and into the hard shoulder. At the garage they said they saw a lot of this. You could have a slow puncture or a nail in your tyre which only blows as you get up to speed and the tyres heat up. If I'd been in a more powerful car and able to get up to speed faster and been over the limit my ability to avoid a serious problem would have been greatly reduced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?.

Seems to happen alot in motor racing... Maybe we should breath test them

If I was on a dual carriageway with corners designed to test traction and grip I don't think I'd count it as "suitable road conditions"...the clues are there if you read all the words?"
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Have you ever heard of mechanical failure, tyres blowing out, badger/fox/rabbit running across the road, bird hitting your windscreen, pothole... The things we can't account for?.

That's why it's 70 because at 70 you've got a hell of a better chance of corrective action/surviving than at 90

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It really comes down to chance and yes the chance of it happening to you is small.... However.

When your dealing with 2 million motorists a day, the chances are it will happen to somebody.

That's why they apply the limits

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"Did mine a few weeks back, go with an open mind and they are very good and very informative. Re-learnt things from the past I had forgotten. Should be mandatory to everybody after so many of driving as things change over the years and we all become complacent at the wheel

Absolutely. I enjoyed mine and it was amazing what some people didn't know - the question about speed limits on dual carriageways was a real eye opener.

The course was particularly good at showing how relatively small differences in speed can make a massive difference to the chances of someone surviving an impact with your car. 37 will have a big difference compared to 30. Hopefully the course will bring that out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?

All you'd need is a freak event - a deer runs across ? A piece of unseen debris in the road etc etc. Your car has an unknown fault , a tyre blows?

Sarah "

I understand what you are saying, you can never mitigate all the risks.

I don't class myself as a speed freak, 100mph is two thirds of the restricted speed available on my car, so I'm probably driving more within its designed tolerances than some cars doing 70.

I run on run flat tyres and the maintenance regime I have boarders on the obsessive - and I'm not even someone who regularly exceeds the speed limit as conditions rarely fall into what I consider suitable...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree. I had a tyre blow out in the outside lane on the M60. I had just moved across and got up to 70 when it went. I was lucky, managed to get across 2 lanes and into the hard shoulder. At the garage they said they saw a lot of this. You could have a slow puncture or a nail in your tyre which only blows as you get up to speed and the tyres heat up. If I'd been in a more powerful car and able to get up to speed faster and been over the limit my ability to avoid a serious problem would have been greatly reduced. "

Sounds like it must have been scarey. Glad you were ok.

Some years ago we were involved in a bad accident on the M42 involving a foreign left hand drive lorry. We were lucky to not be more seriously injured. Car got written off. That's why I'm very cautious on motorways as I've seen how quickly things can change.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?.

Seems to happen alot in motor racing... Maybe we should breath test them

If I was on a dual carriageway with corners designed to test traction and grip I don't think I'd count it as "suitable road conditions"...the clues are there if you read all the words?.

Have you ever heard of mechanical failure, tyres blowing out, badger/fox/rabbit running across the road, bird hitting your windscreen, pothole... The things we can't account for?.

That's why it's 70 because at 70 you've got a hell of a better chance of corrective action/surviving than at 90"

I believe it's 70 based on a combination of the performances of cars built in the 1970's and the daily mail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't see the speed limit sign is a sorry old excuse trotted out time after time.

So, you didn't see you were coming into a built up area?

You didn't see the change in white lines?

You didn't see the street lights?

You didn't see the dual carriageway change to single carriageway?

There are more signs than big circles with 30 in them.

Speed alone doesn't kill, innapropriate use of speed, poor observation, poor car control, poor planning and an "I'm the best driver in the world" attitude help the fuck ups.

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over a year ago

That's why it's 70 because at 70 you've got a hell of a better chance of corrective action/surviving than at 90

I believe it's 70 based on a combination of the performances of cars built in the 1970's and the daily mail"

Let's face it / many drivers use 80 as their usual speed. So if that becomes the speed limit - the speed that drivers will go to usually will be 90 as drivers like to exceed what the limit is.

I know people say the German Autobahns are safer etc etc. Personally - id rather - on our crowded motorways and dual carriageways with central reservations that the limit stays at 70.

Sarah

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

That's why it's 70 because at 70 you've got a hell of a better chance of corrective action/surviving than at 90

I believe it's 70 based on a combination of the performances of cars built in the 1970's and the daily mail

Let's face it / many drivers use 80 as their usual speed. So if that becomes the speed limit - the speed that drivers will go to usually will be 90 as drivers like to exceed what the limit is.

I know people say the German Autobahns are safer etc etc. Personally - id rather - on our crowded motorways and dual carriageways with central reservations that the limit stays at 70.

Sarah "

Only about 25% of German autobahns are unrestricted. They have had too many fatalities. Plus autobahns are smooth and straight in comparison to our motorways .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?.

Seems to happen alot in motor racing... Maybe we should breath test them

If I was on a dual carriageway with corners designed to test traction and grip I don't think I'd count it as "suitable road conditions"...the clues are there if you read all the words?.

Have you ever heard of mechanical failure, tyres blowing out, badger/fox/rabbit running across the road, bird hitting your windscreen, pothole... The things we can't account for?.

That's why it's 70 because at 70 you've got a hell of a better chance of corrective action/surviving than at 90

I believe it's 70 based on a combination of the performances of cars built in the 1970's and the daily mail"
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Yes I know cars are better performing than they were in the 60s and 70s when they did the speed limits but.. Have you considered when they did those limits way back then in old cars, there was no volume of traffic.

Google a picture of the m6 in the 60s .... There's no traffic on it at all, same with country lanes, Christ when I was a kid we used to set up football goals on our side street because you'd be lucky if you saw one car every half hour!.

The cars have moved on, unfortunately so has the volume of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know people say the German Autobahns are safer etc etc. Personally - id rather - on our crowded motorways and dual carriageways with central reservations that the limit stays at 70.

Sarah

Only about 25% of German autobahns are unrestricted. They have had too many fatalities. Plus autobahns are smooth and straight in comparison to our motorways ."

I wasn't sure of the stats. Interesting that they've changed theirs to have more limits.

Mind you - near me, with all the roadworks. The irony is - you're lucky to get up to 50mph at the moment !

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not everyone speeds. I don't speed."

You've never ever gone above 30 in a 30 or over 40 in a 40? Ever? Even by accident, then brought it back down?

That's completely impossible unless you don't have a vehicle.

Everybody at some point, deliberate or not, goes over the speed limit.

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By *imited 3EditionCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

"I know it's contentious...but here goes

I admit that I do speed on occasion, however it's the old adage of time and place.

If the road and traffic conditions mean that you can't see the camera , speed trap or police car then surely they aren't suitable to be exceeding the limit?

Without a doubt, but then with good road conditions, a well maintained car, competent driver who isn't tired, hungover or distracted, why would my car mount the central reservation?.

Seems to happen alot in motor racing... Maybe we should breath test them

If I was on a dual carriageway with corners designed to test traction and grip I don't think I'd count it as "suitable road conditions"...the clues are there if you read all the words?.

Have you ever heard of mechanical failure, tyres blowing out, badger/fox/rabbit running across the road, bird hitting your windscreen, pothole... The things we can't account for?.

That's why it's 70 because at 70 you've got a hell of a better chance of corrective action/surviving than at 90

I believe it's 70 based on a combination of the performances of cars built in the 1970's and the daily mail.

The cars have moved on, unfortunately so has the volume of them"

Absolutely. This is one of the questions they ask on the course....are car manufacturers to blame for making cars faster?

I have to say cars are faster since I passed my test over 20 years ago. We used to be taught drive in 4th gear around town ..that is when at 30mph. But as I learned on the speed awareness course, now you really just need to stick to 3rd to avoid going over 30mph. Staying in 3rd actually does make it waay easier go remain at 30mph.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never been over the speed limit in my life and certainly never been caught ,secret is buy a car that can't reach the dizzy heights

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speed limits haven't moved with the times, agreed but then they haven't moved with the volume of traffic either.

In fact if we did "move with the times" all vehicles would be limited to the road speed by sat nav and computer, for which the technology has been around for years!.

Nobody would ever break the speed limit, no cameras would be needed, accidents reduced, couple that with new technology like radar automatic breaking to the set distance.... It's really not that hard or expensive to do

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I know people say the German Autobahns are safer etc etc. Personally - id rather - on our crowded motorways and dual carriageways with central reservations that the limit stays at 70.

Sarah

Only about 25% of German autobahns are unrestricted. They have had too many fatalities. Plus autobahns are smooth and straight in comparison to our motorways .

I wasn't sure of the stats. Interesting that they've changed theirs to have more limits.

Mind you - near me, with all the roadworks. The irony is - you're lucky to get up to 50mph at the moment !

Sarah "

I've done up to 120mph on an autobahn but wasn't terribly comfortable doing it. On the unrestricted areas they do post speed advisory signs. They're rectangular blue and white signs mostly ignored by the Germans I have to say. You also tend to get less lane hogging but then there doesn't seem to be such heavy traffic as we have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason they don't let technology take over is that... Nobody would buy cars.

They sell them with this image of driving fast down twisty windy road in the highlands, sex sells and speed sells cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know people say the German Autobahns are safer etc etc. Personally - id rather - on our crowded motorways and dual carriageways with central reservations that the limit stays at 70.

Sarah

Only about 25% of German autobahns are unrestricted. They have had too many fatalities. Plus autobahns are smooth and straight in comparison to our motorways .

I wasn't sure of the stats. Interesting that they've changed theirs to have more limits.

Mind you - near me, with all the roadworks. The irony is - you're lucky to get up to 50mph at the moment !

Sarah

Far less densely populated country with a cheap and efficent public transport system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not everyone speeds. I don't speed.

You've never ever gone above 30 in a 30 or over 40 in a 40? Ever? Even by accident, then brought it back down?

That's completely impossible unless you don't have a vehicle.

Everybody at some point, deliberate or not, goes over the speed limit.

It's not impossible.

I never speed.

Everytime tbese threads appear on the forum i get the same statements said to me that it's impossible to avoid speeding ... well i never speed and i drive every day (although not for a few weeks while recovering from an operation)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a rule of thumb, next time somebody starts telling you about their new car.... Start counting in your head and see what you get to before you hear the words... It's really quick for a...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've done up to 120mph on an autobahn but wasn't terribly comfortable doing it. On the unrestricted areas they do post speed advisory signs. They're rectangular blue and white signs mostly ignored by the Germans I have to say. You also tend to get less lane hogging but then there doesn't seem to be such heavy traffic as we have..

Far "

You have got to be kidding! German roads particularly the Autobahns are abysmal, pot holes, traffic, and unrestricted sections that suddenly become 100 kph sections where a camera is before returning to unrestricted.

Dortmund Essen interchange exists to make spaghetti junction look good, like the Paris ring road exists to improve the image of th M25.

But yes if you read the little blue signs carefully usually dry Sundays in daylight they are unrestricted and I have ridden through at double+ the UK speed limits. but it is far from safe. Mostly beause for some reason there are a lot of Germans on the roads, who make Italian drivers look calm and relaxed.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Far

Dortmund Essen interchange exists to make spaghetti junction look good, like the Paris ring road exists to improve the image of th M25.

I can only comment on my last trip there which was about 4 years ago. I drove Cologne to Berlin then Berlin to Krakow. And I never said it was safe. I did say that they've got rid of a lot of unrestricted roads due to fatalities. But compared to the UK I found them easier and less congested. But that's just my experience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

Which really highlights why you shouldn't do 37mph in a 30mph zone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

Which really highlights why you shouldn't do 37mph in a 30mph zone."

Absolutely in my original post, where I admit to occasionally speeding, I do state that I only speed on dual carriageways where there is no traffic, good weather conditions and good visibility.

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over a year ago

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

Which really highlights why you shouldn't do 37mph in a 30mph zone."

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

I've always said country driving is more dangerous. When my daughter passed her test she was scared to go on the motorway so I took her country driving in the Peaks. We drove to Edale and the down through Winnats Pass. We came home via the Snake Pass. She said she loved it and then I told her that it was way more dangerous than the motorway. She was happy to try motorway driving after that.

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over a year ago

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

Which really highlights why you shouldn't do 37mph in a 30mph zone.

Absolutely in my original post, where I admit to occasionally speeding, I do state that I only speed on dual carriageways where there is no traffic, good weather conditions and good visibility.

I only used to speed in places and at times where I was confident I could drive well.

Then I nearly killed a family of three with my overconfidence.

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over a year ago

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

Or couldn't agree more.

Rural roads are single carriageway, visibility only to the next corner with the additional threat of wildlife and poorly maintained road surface, although you do have to wonder how many incidents are caused through impatience at being stuck behind some one pottering along at 40 in a national speed limit zone

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over a year ago

Yes I agree speed kills, I personally think all cars should come with speed limiters and all roads should be fitted with technology that automatically connects with the car to limit speed thereby eliminating speeding fines,road deaths,the need to take your eyes off the road to look for roadside speed limit signs hidden behind shrubs and trees and also the need for traffic police ,it's the way to go

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over a year ago

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

Which really highlights why you shouldn't do 37mph in a 30mph zone.

Absolutely in my original post, where I admit to occasionally speeding, I do state that I only speed on dual carriageways where there is no traffic, good weather conditions and good visibility.

I only used to speed in places and at times where I was confident I could drive well.

Then I nearly killed a family of three with my overconfidence."

That would imply you didn't count "no traffic" as one of your qualifiers?

I make that assumption as to exceed speed limits under any circumstances with other people in the car should be a criminal offence in my opinion.

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over a year ago

"Yes I agree speed kills, I personally think all cars should come with speed limiters and all roads should be fitted with technology that automatically connects with the car to limit speed thereby eliminating speeding fines,road deaths,the need to take your eyes off the road to look for roadside speed limit signs hidden behind shrubs and trees and also the need for traffic police ,it's the way to go

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Interesting figures from the guardian....

In the UK

54% road deaths occur on rural roads

40% on urban roads

6% on motorways (where people travel at the highest speeds)

Or couldn't agree more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly because you can't stop "everybody" is no reason to stop most?.

Secondly also I think once you've brought in this technology, which is really easy to do, the few "hacks" would stand out a mile which any excess speed, in this day and age of widely available cameras and a tough sentence for those caught cheating, it really would only be a very very small minority left doing it!.

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

The THINK campaign said you were 80% likely to kill someone at 40mph and 20% at 30mph.

That's been disputed by some with the percentages being too high, but even those disputing still say your over 4 times more likely at 40 than 30mph.

That illustrates why 30mph are important and should be adhered too.

I've seen two people knocked down and killed in separate incidents by people. One was speeding in a 30mph.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly because you can't stop "everybody" is no reason to stop most?.

There's also technology to help people break if someone cuts in front of them surely that would be a good and safe way to limit accidents? I don't see that forcing people into limited vehicles is a needed solution. There's heavy penalties for lots of hacks but people still do them. Majority or minority it'll still happen.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

Ok, near us, we had a dual carriageway with central reservation reduced from 40 mph to 20 mph and speed camera put up. Many caught. After much hue and cry, it was put back up to 30 mph.

So were those caught at 25 when it was a 20, evil and deserving of life imprisonment? What about those doing 40 when it was a 40?

I agree that some people drive like twats and that in urban areas with pedestrians and junctions, 30 or less is appropriate. But I also see cameras sited where there is no hazard, and hidden, simply to raise revenue.

Most of these awareness course companies are owned and staffed by ex plod. The issuing force gets half the course fee and the company the other half - nice little money spinner

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I went on one where one driver admitted his motorbike didn't have a speedometer and he wondered why we all looked horrified at his admission !

Sarah "

Strange because it cannot pass tge MOT without one and they must of been stopped by a Police officer and would have been done for it.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"I went on one where one driver admitted his motorbike didn't have a speedometer and he wondered why we all looked horrified at his admission !

Sarah

Strange because it cannot pass tge MOT without one and they must of been stopped by a Police officer and would have been done for it."
speedo is not a legal requirement but if it is fitted it must work properly

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

37 is well over 30 and you were lucky to be offered the course. Normally this is from 33-35 (just over). At 37 it is normally fine and points!

Feel free to go and be cynical....and expect to learn nothing and to get caught again. Or you can go and learn...choice is yours!"

Judging by his original post, I can't see the course working. Before the camera the police used to sit and get quite a few speeders on the fly over, they never gave out courses only points and bans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes the technology is there for this to happen. But there will always be hacks to get around the limits. Police are useless at catching the fuckwits who drive like they own the road now. Imagine if we had your way and there were no traffic police and the boy and girl racers unrestricted their cars?"
yes but my point was the law abiding drivers are being penalised and fined so bring in the technology stop road deaths now ,the law breakers will always be their the bad drivers will always be there ,take away speed from cars get rid of high performance sports cars sorted

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