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By *uckoo clock OP   Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

In a Channel 4 programme to be aired this week and presented by Trevor Philips former head of Equalities & Human Rights Commission.....just two of the findings to emerge are that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal here, and just 34% would inform the police if they knew if another Muslims involvement in terrorist activities.

If these and other findings are typical what do you think the future holds for race relations between Muslim and non Muslim in this country ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it is more Ch4 sensationalism aimed at further stirring up racial, religious and cultural divisions - as I am sure this thread is also bound to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with bussy. Channel 4&5 are always trying to divide the way this country feel and think about others backgrounds.

Just look how they paint the picture of swingers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it is more Ch4 sensationalism aimed at further stirring up racial, religious and cultural divisions - as I am sure this thread is also bound to do."

How ? Would you prefer it brushed under the carpet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a Channel 4 programme to be aired this week and presented by Trevor Philips former head of Equalities & Human Rights Commission.....just two of the findings to emerge are that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal here, and just 34% would inform the police if they knew if another Muslims involvement in terrorist activities.

If these and other findings are typical what do you think the future holds for race relations between Muslim and non Muslim in this country ?"
does it say how many Muslims were part of this survey and does it make a comparison between Muslims and Christians ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a Channel 4 programme to be aired this week and presented by Trevor Philips former head of Equalities & Human Rights Commission.....just two of the findings to emerge are that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal here, and just 34% would inform the police if they knew if another Muslims involvement in terrorist activities.

If these and other findings are typical what do you think the future holds for race relations between Muslim and non Muslim in this country ? does it say how many Muslims were part of this survey and does it make a comparison between Muslims and Christians ? "

What are the stats for non-muslims?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If that's a true stat, I bet it's from a small sample. More good TV sensualism aimed at dividing rather bringing everyone together. Wasn't the guy murdered for saying Happy Easter to his customers - a Muslim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If that's a true stat, I bet it's from a small sample. More good TV sensualism aimed at dividing rather bringing everyone together. Wasn't the guy murdered for saying Happy Easter to his customers - a Muslim? "

Exactly this

What a load of twonk xx

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

i knew a muslim tv/ts lived full time as female, always got asians chatting her up in town, and the amount of asian muslim taxi drivers wanting sex was nearly every week, she was muslim and said to me a lot had wife and children at home, and told me they are 2 faced

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

I bet the figures for the gen pop would be very similar. I don't like Channel4 news and current affairs for this reason

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If that's a true stat, I bet it's from a small sample. More good TV sensualism aimed at dividing rather bringing everyone together. Wasn't the guy murdered for saying Happy Easter to his customers - a Muslim? "

Who murdered him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it is more Ch4 sensationalism aimed at further stirring up racial, religious and cultural divisions - as I am sure this thread is also bound to do."

If, as it would appear, you're stating that the intention of Channel 4 is to incite racial hatred then you are part of a wider problematic view that seeks to shut down debate around issues that are long overdue for discussion. It's 'thought police' mentality.

The survey was not a Channel 4 survey but one conducted by Phillips himself and the views expressed are quite concerning! Especially if you are a woman that expects equality, or a gay man, or even a swinger!

We are often told that radical, dogmatic, violent politicised Islam is a preserve of a tiny yet vocal minority. However, it would appear that we have a 'spectrum' of opinion and a sliding scale at that.

Essentially, what it highlights, and what Phillips himself states, is that we have to answer serious question about the extent to which 'integration' and 'multiculturalism' has either succeeded or failed. There is an 'elephant in the room' and shutting down debate by accusing people of 'inciting' or racism is foolish in the extreme. And yes, all religions have their nutcase fringe element but one in particular is stealing all the headlines at the moment.

If we cover our ears and refuse to see then we pass the buck to generations down the line to deal with the issues.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"If that's a true stat, I bet it's from a small sample. More good TV sensualism aimed at dividing rather bringing everyone together. Wasn't the guy murdered for saying Happy Easter to his customers - a Muslim?

Who murdered him?"

An Uber driver

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If that's a true stat, I bet it's from a small sample. More good TV sensualism aimed at dividing rather bringing everyone together. Wasn't the guy murdered for saying Happy Easter to his customers - a Muslim?

Who murdered him?

An Uber driver"

Wasn't it another Muslim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The muslim shop keeper was murdered by an Islamist fanatic who accused the shop keep of 'betraying' the muslim faith by extending friendship to Christians by saying Happy Easter and, therefore, validating another religion - this is forbidden in Islam, as is apostasy - punishable by death!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it is more Ch4 sensationalism aimed at further stirring up racial, religious and cultural divisions - as I am sure this thread is also bound to do.

If, as it would appear, you're stating that the intention of Channel 4 is to incite racial hatred then you are part of a wider problematic view that seeks to shut down debate around issues that are long overdue for discussion. It's 'thought police' mentality.

The survey was not a Channel 4 survey but one conducted by Phillips himself and the views expressed are quite concerning! Especially if you are a woman that expects equality, or a gay man, or even a swinger!

We are often told that radical, dogmatic, violent politicised Islam is a preserve of a tiny yet vocal minority. However, it would appear that we have a 'spectrum' of opinion and a sliding scale at that.

Essentially, what it highlights, and what Phillips himself states, is that we have to answer serious question about the extent to which 'integration' and 'multiculturalism' has either succeeded or failed. There is an 'elephant in the room' and shutting down debate by accusing people of 'inciting' or racism is foolish in the extreme. And yes, all religions have their nutcase fringe element but one in particular is stealing all the headlines at the moment.

If we cover our ears and refuse to see then we pass the buck to generations down the line to deal with the issues. "

Very well said.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"I think it is more Ch4 sensationalism aimed at further stirring up racial, religious and cultural divisions - as I am sure this thread is also bound to do.

If, as it would appear, you're stating that the intention of Channel 4 is to incite racial hatred then you are part of a wider problematic view that seeks to shut down debate around issues that are long overdue for discussion. It's 'thought police' mentality.

The survey was not a Channel 4 survey but one conducted by Phillips himself and the views expressed are quite concerning! Especially if you are a woman that expects equality, or a gay man, or even a swinger!

We are often told that radical, dogmatic, violent politicised Islam is a preserve of a tiny yet vocal minority. However, it would appear that we have a 'spectrum' of opinion and a sliding scale at that.

Essentially, what it highlights, and what Phillips himself states, is that we have to answer serious question about the extent to which 'integration' and 'multiculturalism' has either succeeded or failed. There is an 'elephant in the room' and shutting down debate by accusing people of 'inciting' or racism is foolish in the extreme. And yes, all religions have their nutcase fringe element but one in particular is stealing all the headlines at the moment.

If we cover our ears and refuse to see then we pass the buck to generations down the line to deal with the issues. "

Trevor Phillips has his own agenda regarding race relations. He has made quite an industry out of it over the years and is not adverse to stirring things up to suit his ideology. Although his opinions may differ, he is no different to the Daily Mail for stirring shit to suit his agenda.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


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Who murdered him?

An Uber driver

Wasn't it another Muslim? "

The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Enlighten us then what is his agenda here? Are you saying that the survey is a complete fabrication? What is his motivation for inciting discontent for the sake of it?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Muslims are still a tiny minority in the UK population and I believe most are entirely decent people.

I'm not worried and I pay no attention whatsoever to scaremongering tosh.

There are also dangerous non-Muslim lunatics and fanatics in this country. Islam is not the root of all evil.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I think it is more Ch4 sensationalism aimed at further stirring up racial, religious and cultural divisions - as I am sure this thread is also bound to do.

If, as it would appear, you're stating that the intention of Channel 4 is to incite racial hatred then you are part of a wider problematic view that seeks to shut down debate around issues that are long overdue for discussion. It's 'thought police' mentality.

The survey was not a Channel 4 survey but one conducted by Phillips himself and the views expressed are quite concerning! Especially if you are a woman that expects equality, or a gay man, or even a swinger!

We are often told that radical, dogmatic, violent politicised Islam is a preserve of a tiny yet vocal minority. However, it would appear that we have a 'spectrum' of opinion and a sliding scale at that.

Essentially, what it highlights, and what Phillips himself states, is that we have to answer serious question about the extent to which 'integration' and 'multiculturalism' has either succeeded or failed. There is an 'elephant in the room' and shutting down debate by accusing people of 'inciting' or racism is foolish in the extreme. And yes, all religions have their nutcase fringe element but one in particular is stealing all the headlines at the moment.

If we cover our ears and refuse to see then we pass the buck to generations down the line to deal with the issues. "

It's not a matter of sweeping "problems" under the carpet. It's a question of people with immense power (such as the media) abusing their position to deliver a distorted view of the facts to sensationalise a subject and to further their own agendas. When the North Koreans, Russians or even the Nazis did this it was usually called propaganda.

This type of program has the ability to be edited to show any view that the production team choose tho show.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think any one said that Islam/Muslims were the 'root of all evil' - now who is scaremongering?

The premise of the programme would appear to be the extent to which Islamic communities have integrated into wider British society and if that is compatible with a secular and free democracy and implications this has for wider race relations. I for one am opposed to ANY form of hardline faith school from any religion. Being taught about religion and being taught to be religious are very different.

I will watch the programme and make my mind up from there.

Which dangerous 'non muslim fanatics' are you referring to by the way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cal, which facts are distorted exactly? Are you positively able to refute the findings?

Obviously, it has not be aired yet and I'll form a fuller opinion when it has.

However, I disagree with you, shaming language such as 'racist' and 'inciting' just stifle proper and overdue debate.

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By *r H and Good PetCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

It makes me really happy to see the number of people in this thread that are dismissing this as the sensationalist ratings hook that CH4 is intending it to be.

You guys are super!

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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago

Germany / Manchester

It's a question that needs to be discussed as current activities of certain religious groups are changing the landscape of this country.

However, as responsible adults, we have to be aware, the media can be one sided and it's up to our own intellect to dig a little deeper to seek both sides of any given story. -M

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We shall watch it and see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a question that needs to be discussed as current activities of certain religious groups are changing the landscape of this country.

However, as responsible adults, we have to be aware, the media can be one sided and it's up to our own intellect to dig a little deeper to seek both sides of any given story. -M

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"The muslim shop keeper was murdered by an Islamist fanatic who accused the shop keep of 'betraying' the muslim faith by extending friendship to Christians by saying Happy Easter and, therefore, validating another religion - this is forbidden in Islam, as is apostasy - punishable by death!"

This isn't correct. He was murdered for being an Ahmadi Muslim, they are regarded as apostates by Mainstream Islam. It was not an attack on his wishing Christians a happy Easter. It was sectarian violence, and should be condemned my all religious groups.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The muslim shop keeper was murdered by an Islamist fanatic who accused the shop keep of 'betraying' the muslim faith by extending friendship to Christians by saying Happy Easter and, therefore, validating another religion - this is forbidden in Islam, as is apostasy - punishable by death!

This isn't correct. He was murdered for being an Ahmadi Muslim, they are regarded as apostates by Mainstream Islam. It was not an attack on his wishing Christians a happy Easter. It was sectarian violence, and should be condemned my all religious groups. "

Fair enough, but I was not overly wide of the mark given that the solicitor read out a pre-prepared statement from the perpetrator saying: "I am the final messenger of Allah, there are no Gods or prophets other than me."

I think the point that the programme may be making is that yes, the nut cases prepared to be violent are a small number. However, there is a hidden swathe of sympathy for their actions and also a belief that their victims 'had it coming to them' as is what we saw after the Charlie Hebdo killings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Donald Trump has a better view

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Donald Trump has a better view "

Not even remotely funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's at the more extreme end of the debate admittedly. Questions have to be asked all the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a happy and peaceful newly converted Jedi but I've hurt my head trying to use the force to bring me a beer from the fridge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Donald Trump has a better view

Not even remotely funny "

Wasn't meant to be remotely funny

Lets hope he wins and does what he says

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"Muslims are still a tiny minority in the UK population and I believe most are entirely decent people.

I'm not worried and I pay no attention whatsoever to scaremongering tosh.

There are also dangerous non-Muslim lunatics and fanatics in this country. Islam is not the root of all evil."

What she said. I've got a fair few Muslim friends and they are all people just like anyone else. I like all of them a heck of a lot.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Donald Trump has a better view

Not even remotely funny

Wasn't meant to be remotely funny

Lets hope he wins and does what he says"

Or even better doesn't, and gets exposed for the charlatan he is...

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By *ickawitchCouple
over a year ago

Away with the fairies (Liverpool to you)


"In a Channel 4 programme to be aired this week and presented by Trevor Philips former head of Equalities & Human Rights Commission.....just two of the findings to emerge are that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal here, and just 34% would inform the police if they knew if another Muslims involvement in terrorist activities.

If these and other findings are typical what do you think the future holds for race relations between Muslim and non Muslim in this country ?"

I work with a catholic woman who also believes homosexuality should be illegal and she believes in her religion it is. In her little bubble gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt or teach as they will inappropriately touch children she is also vengeful and believes the whole eye for an eye thing - we very often have to agree to disagree before war breaks out in the canteen over refugees/migrants/Muslims/gay people being allowed to adopt, teach....she truly is the most judging unchristian woman I have ever met but she is one person - I wouldn't judge the whole religion from this one example

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"Donald Trump has a better view "

Trump is a racist, homophobic, mysiginistic ego maniac who says absolutely anything that will appeal to a baying crowd of idiots.

But at least he knows what he is. His followers and supporters in the other hand have no idea how misguided they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Donald Trump has a better view "
well he's taller and his hair doesn't get in his eyes

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Proper open discussion involving as many people as possible is urgently needed around all these subjects to expose truth and lies.

I was listening to a very well respected American journalist whose name escapes me on the radio recently and he said it isn't journalism you need to worry about manipulating opinion but politicians. I tend to think it's a mixture of both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For centuries Muslims have played the victim whilst strengthening their rule with fear.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"

Who murdered him?

An Uber driver

Wasn't it another Muslim?

The two things aren't mutually exclusive."
nobody said they are but a high proportion of violent crimes are being committed by Uber drivers who are not being properly checked for suitability to work with the public. Many of the acts of violence are being swept under the carpet by the media.

This case was one case concerning Uber that did make the headlines.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a Channel 4 programme to be aired this week and presented by Trevor Philips former head of Equalities & Human Rights Commission.....just two of the findings to emerge are that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal here, and just 34% would inform the police if they knew if another Muslims involvement in terrorist activities.

If these and other findings are typical what do you think the future holds for race relations between Muslim and non Muslim in this country ?"

So 66% of Muslims surveyd said they would inform the police if they new of terrorist involvement.

I think it reads better that way.

And I bet if you surveyd proper Christians , not the lot who say they are Christians but the last time they entered a church was when a tie Mande died, the statistic on homosexuality would be very similar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a Channel 4 programme to be aired this week and presented by Trevor Philips former head of Equalities & Human Rights Commission.....just two of the findings to emerge are that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal here, and just 34% would inform the police if they knew if another Muslims involvement in terrorist activities.

If these and other findings are typical what do you think the future holds for race relations between Muslim and non Muslim in this country ?

So 66% of Muslims surveyd said they would inform the police if they new of terrorist involvement.

I think it reads better that way.

And I bet if you surveyd proper Christians , not the lot who say they are Christians but the last time they entered a church was when a tie Mande died, the statistic on homosexuality would be very similar. "

#Surveyed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For centuries Muslims have played the victim whilst strengthening their rule with fear.

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Could you please give an example of this.

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead


"Muslims are still a tiny minority in the UK population and I believe most are entirely decent people.

I'm not worried and I pay no attention whatsoever to scaremongering tosh.

There are also dangerous non-Muslim lunatics and fanatics in this country. Islam is not the root of all evil."

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By *laqgrapeMan
over a year ago

Sanderstead

Religion sucks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it is more Ch4 sensationalism aimed at further stirring up racial, religious and cultural divisions - as I am sure this thread is also bound to do."

If it's as I'm expecting it to be... I don't see the use in airing other than aforementioned reasons...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ill be very honest, I used to dislike Trevor.

I listened to his interview on radio 5 this morning, he's actually making inroads now into tackling the "multiculturalism" problem!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In a Channel 4 programme to be aired this week and presented by Trevor Philips former head of Equalities & Human Rights Commission.....just two of the findings to emerge are that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal here, and just 34% would inform the police if they knew if another Muslims involvement in terrorist activities.

If these and other findings are typical what do you think the future holds for race relations between Muslim and non Muslim in this country ?

So 66% of Muslims surveyd said they would inform the police if they new of terrorist involvement.

I think it reads better that way.

And I bet if you surveyd proper Christians , not the lot who say they are Christians but the last time they entered a church was when a tie Mande died, the statistic on homosexuality would be very similar. "
.

You think that's better!!.

My god man, you're losing the plot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is why we need someone like trump in the uk to islamination before it is too late.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

i don't really think about what a television channel really thinks about what muslims really think and i really can't be arsed with thinking about it

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

If you are going to post please keep within the rules

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Actually this isn't going good so I am going to shut it

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