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"Clem fandango I want a dodgy geezer in charge who's trying to get rich. Not a socialist who things having wealth is a "bad thing"." Where does the idea that having 'dodgy dan the bookkeeper man' as your accountant and do your tax returns, or 'backstreet bert' fix the breaks on your car? Or that 'call me [I stick my prick in pigs]"we're all in this together" Dave' and his Tories (from the Irish 'tóraidhe' which means outlaw highwayman) are the best people to have running the country for our benefit? Why do so many people continue to believe contrary to all the evidence that they will be better off with corrupt self-serving crooks in charge of their money or safety? Why do they defend those criminal parasites who are feeding on them? And why are we so shocked when we find our pension funds coming up short, our jobs disappearing overseas along with the profits made by companies trading here and the cost of housing forcing an ever growing number out of the housing market and into overpriced sub-standard rented accommodation? | |||
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" I like him " Can you let me know every time you are going to say this, so that I can add a Ta. | |||
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"I agree with clem " Me too. | |||
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"This is a general comment about everyone. I thought the idea was to chastise people who broke the law not those that abide by it. Why such a big deal over something that was legal and happened before he took office. " I agree with you too. | |||
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"A government is only as good as its opposition" So, plenty more years conservative government ahead eh? | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. " Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit." I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. " Two activists out of thousands does not equal a very real problem, no matter how much the national press wants to make it appear to be so. Sadiq Khan has his own political agenda. The Conservative Party as the acceptable face of UK racism, on the other hand, is very real. Tory voters just don't mind about it that much. | |||
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"We had a democratic vote didn't we? They won? So there's not much we can do about it until the next General Election. I don't particularly like any of them, but I'm really not sure id want Jeremy Corbyn running the country either. I couldn't even tell you who runs the Liberals now. They're all much of a muchness in my eyes. None of them is clean as a whistle. " Edward Miliband Destroyed all Labours hope of winning; I see Edward Miliband as a weak person who I could not see running the UK Happily I did not have to vote for either as I am in Scotland and we have the best Party in Power, to lead Scotland and whether you like it or not The party in power for Scotland, looks out for Scotland's interests and is doing a good job, unlike the Party in Power in Westminster | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. Two activists out of thousands does not equal a very real problem, no matter how much the national press wants to make it appear to be so. Sadiq Khan has his own political agenda. The Conservative Party as the acceptable face of UK racism, on the other hand, is very real. Tory voters just don't mind about it that much." More deflection and minimisation. Have you considered a career as a Tory spin doctor? | |||
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"Because he just happened to be the leader of the only credible party available to voters" Is that what Grant Shapps told you? | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. Two activists out of thousands does not equal a very real problem, no matter how much the national press wants to make it appear to be so. Sadiq Khan has his own political agenda. The Conservative Party as the acceptable face of UK racism, on the other hand, is very real. Tory voters just don't mind about it that much. More deflection and minimisation. Have you considered a career as a Tory spin doctor? " They are the facts, no need to spin them. As an issue it will be forgotten in next week's Cameron thrashing, so no deflection needed either. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. " I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. " your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place." So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine)" my enemies enemy..? someone else's words not mine | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.." It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! | |||
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" If only the Greens became more credible. " .. Whow whow whow whow!. Don't drag the greens into this charade. We've got ALL the solutions... You just don't happen to like them!... There's a difference | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine)" I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. | |||
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"We had a democratic vote didn't we? They won? So there's not much we can do about it until the next General Election. I don't particularly like any of them, but I'm really not sure id want Jeremy Corbyn running the country either. I couldn't even tell you who runs the Liberals now. They're all much of a muchness in my eyes. None of them is clean as a whistle. " Democratic vote ? The majority of the country dont vote and never have in my 53 year life. That says that the majority dont want what is on offer. so if its a democratic why havnt all the mps just done one and fucked off ? | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. " How much did you lose on the number of seats UKIP would win in 2015? | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. " Na, be Cameron and Farrage.. Suzanne Evans is on the revenge trail.. | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. How much did you lose on the number of seats UKIP would win in 2015? " None I didn't bet on it, but I did win £500 on Rule the world in the grand national yesterday. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware.." . Yeah but they like him and lots of people like Donald trump as well!. . . If I may be presumptions... Nah it's not worth it | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.." You are exactly right they are both serious issues glossed over and passed off as slurs until too late. | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. How much did you lose on the number of seats UKIP would win in 2015? None I didn't bet on it, but I did win £500 on Rule the world in the grand national yesterday. " a UKIP supporter making money from a 'foreign horse'.. principles eh.. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! " I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. How much did you lose on the number of seats UKIP would win in 2015? None I didn't bet on it, but I did win £500 on Rule the world in the grand national yesterday. a UKIP supporter making money from a 'foreign horse'.. principles eh.. " Don't worry I won't be investing it in an offshore account in Panama. | |||
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" I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting " . I've warmed to you despite your frivolous tyre burning incident!. | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. How much did you lose on the number of seats UKIP would win in 2015? None I didn't bet on it, but I did win £500 on Rule the world in the grand national yesterday. a UKIP supporter making money from a 'foreign horse'.. principles eh.. Don't worry I won't be investing it in an offshore account in Panama. " does UKIP have an fund there too? | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. How much did you lose on the number of seats UKIP would win in 2015? None I didn't bet on it, but I did win £500 on Rule the world in the grand national yesterday. a UKIP supporter making money from a 'foreign horse'.. principles eh.. Don't worry I won't be investing it in an offshore account in Panama. " . Panama is soooo last week. It's bvi now, especially since the Tories actually signed off the paper to allow Assad's brother to move the hundreds of millions into the haven... Despite the Tory call for sanctions on Syria!!. It's a big game, and were not in it | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head." And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting " Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable " Not at all. I could never vote Conservative, for the above reasons. People who do so obviously have less qualms about greed, deceit and hypocrisy than me. Managed to get through that article yet, by the way? | |||
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"Mystic Meg predicted that 2 political party leaders will be gone by the autumn. My money is on Cameron and Corbyn. How much did you lose on the number of seats UKIP would win in 2015? None I didn't bet on it, but I did win £500 on Rule the world in the grand national yesterday. a UKIP supporter making money from a 'foreign horse'.. principles eh.. Don't worry I won't be investing it in an offshore account in Panama. does UKIP have an fund there too? " They may do, just as I suspect some Labour people do (remember a story about Chukka Ummuna making money from a tax dodge). | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that." Oooooh lovely twist. I remain objective. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable " You couldn't make it up could you? I'll see your unbelievable and raise you an outstanding. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that. Oooooh lovely twist. I remain objective. " But you need to show yourself to be objective. Just saying you are is not the same thing, sorry. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable Not at all. I could never vote Conservative, for the above reasons. People who do so obviously have less qualms about greed, deceit and hypocrisy than me. Managed to get through that article yet, by the way? " Yes and I still stand by what I said. Now you say in this thread the term which Labour spent in office when unemployment didn't rise? | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that. Oooooh lovely twist. I remain objective. " Don't know about you, but I'm always really impressed when a total stranger on the interweb tells me what my _iews, beliefs and opinions are. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that. Oooooh lovely twist. I remain objective. But you need to show yourself to be objective. Just saying you are is not the same thing, sorry." Ha ha the same could be said of you from the other side of the coin. I remain objective. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable Not at all. I could never vote Conservative, for the above reasons. People who do so obviously have less qualms about greed, deceit and hypocrisy than me. Managed to get through that article yet, by the way? Yes and I still stand by what I said. Now you say in this thread the term which Labour spent in office when unemployment didn't rise?" The administrations ending in 1924 and 1951, which you would know if you had managed to read that article. Now you can tell me which Tory administrations managed to reduce unemployment - and I'll give you a clue, you can find the answer in that article you didn't read. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that. Oooooh lovely twist. I remain objective. But you need to show yourself to be objective. Just saying you are is not the same thing, sorry. Ha ha the same could be said of you from the other side of the coin. I remain objective. " There is nothing I've said not borne out by fact. My objectivity is not under question. You, on the other hand, are claiming that there is a serious problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party. I invite you to reveal the facts that objectively prove this to be the case. | |||
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" Where does the idea that having 'dodgy dan the bookkeeper man' as your accountant and do your tax returns, or 'backstreet bert' fix the breaks on your car? Or that 'call me [I stick my prick in pigs]"we're all in this together" Dave' and his Tories (from the Irish 'tóraidhe' which means outlaw highwayman) are the best people to have running the country for our benefit? Why do so many people continue to believe contrary to all the evidence that they will be better off with corrupt self-serving crooks in charge of their money or safety? Why do they defend those criminal parasites who are feeding on them?" Certainly, there is no denying that Mr Cameron was misleading in his statements. But corrupt? A crook? A pig fucker? Get a perspective. | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that. Oooooh lovely twist. I remain objective. But you need to show yourself to be objective. Just saying you are is not the same thing, sorry. Ha ha the same could be said of you from the other side of the coin. I remain objective. There is nothing I've said not borne out by fact. My objectivity is not under question. You, on the other hand, are claiming that there is a serious problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party. I invite you to reveal the facts that objectively prove this to be the case." The facts are there from the root to the fruit. From suspensions to even the co chair of the Labour Council resigning at Oxford due to the party being riddled with racisim. I won't repeat the Anne Frank tweets but it remains fact that the Labour Party on its peripheral are attracting Anti Semites who use the association as a platform. I do not however point the finger at Corbyn on this issue although he could do more. It's a serious concern that even the Board of Deputies have asked him to investigate. That's not spin or slur. You will however seek to minimise it unless you don't think it's serious? | |||
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"Woke up to another Anti Semite story breaking regarding the Labour Party. Three stories three different age demographics across multiple news platforms with even the left calling for more to be done in tackling it within the Labour Party. Even the Mayoral candidate calling it a badge of shame. Then you got the other side with money and farmyard frolics. Both as bad as each other so it's make the best out of several bad things. Can't remember a more grubbier time in Politics. And don't get me started on UKIP. If only the Greens became more credible. Yes, you'll hear more and more of these anti-semitism stories, concocted by people maliciously mistaking criticism of Israel and Zionism for anti-semitism, because they know there will be people more than happy to help spread the smears. Especially as the Tories continue to tear themselves apart, the papers need something, please God anything, to throw Corbyn's way. Considering the Conservatives are the acceptable face of UK racism, it's pretty hypocritical too. I don't know what's worse though - the people who smear, or the people who spread the smears. They are both equally complicit. I notice you don't comment on the Labour press release on the matter or Sadiq Khan and his badge of shame (I like him by the way) Your tunnel vision is astounding rather than admit flaws you try to deflect. The problem is very real. your right it is, as is or was the issue within the Tory party last year in the Conservative future campaign and the bullying which led to a young man to take his life.. senior figures were aware well certainly warned about it and did nothing to possibly prevent it.. none of them are perfect.. It's also astonishing how many people have found that they suddenly care really passionately about anti-semitism, now it is being desperately used to attempt to smear Corbyn, (a longstanding campaigner against anti-semitism, of course) when previously they had no interest whatsoever in the issue before. It's really is astonishing! I care because it's a personal issue to me. More deflection and twisting Maybe that's why you don't seem very objective about the issue? That it's a case of desperate smearing that doesn't stand up to the most cursory investigation should be obvious to people who genuinely care about the issue. But if your personal feelings are preventing you from being objective for some reason, I can understand that. Oooooh lovely twist. I remain objective. But you need to show yourself to be objective. Just saying you are is not the same thing, sorry. Ha ha the same could be said of you from the other side of the coin. I remain objective. There is nothing I've said not borne out by fact. My objectivity is not under question. You, on the other hand, are claiming that there is a serious problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party. I invite you to reveal the facts that objectively prove this to be the case. The facts are there from the root to the fruit. From suspensions to even the co chair of the Labour Council resigning at Oxford due to the party being riddled with racisim. I won't repeat the Anne Frank tweets but it remains fact that the Labour Party on its peripheral are attracting Anti Semites who use the association as a platform. I do not however point the finger at Corbyn on this issue although he could do more. It's a serious concern that even the Board of Deputies have asked him to investigate. That's not spin or slur. You will however seek to minimise it unless you don't think it's serious? " No, I don't think it's serious, and I find the way you have characterised the situation with several people as being characteristic in some way of a party of thousands of people as, and I'm being very charitable here, wildly over-interpreting the facts. Here is Corbyn on Politics Home: "We have suspended and we will suspend any member who behaves in that way. Enquiries are going on on the cases that have been referred to us. We are absolutely resolute on this. There is not place for any type of racism of any sort within our party and I will ensure that it is rooted out where it exists. "But I have to say it is a very small number of cases over the whole country and we are dealing with it." How that could be seen as him not doing enough about the issue, minor though it is, is anyone's guess. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place." . I don't think that Conservative voters support either greed or deceit . People vote Conservative because they believe in a sense of responsibility and recognise that everything which you have in life has to be earned , not given to you on a plate by the government . Conservative voters will want a first class Health Service run for the benefit of the voters , not the NHS staff. The something for nothing voter contributes nothing to society | |||
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"Following on from many comments on the David Camoron thread finishing with Clem fandango I want a dodgy geezer in charge who's trying to get rich. Not a socialist who things having wealth is a "bad thing". Where does the idea that having 'dodgy dan the bookkeeper man' as your accountant and do your tax returns, or 'backstreet bert' fix the breaks on your car? Or that 'call me [I stick my prick in pigs]"we're all in this together" Dave' and his Tories (from the Irish 'tóraidhe' which means outlaw hig. hwayman) are the best people to have running the country for our benefit? Why do so many people continue to believe contrary to all the evidence that they will be better off with corrupt self-serving crooks in charge of their money or safety? Why do they defend those criminal parasites who are feeding on them? And why are we so shocked when we find our pension funds coming up short, our jobs disappearing overseas along with the profits made by companies trading here and the cost of housing forcing an ever growing number out of the housing market and into overpriced sub-standard rented accommodation?. Hi. I don't think we have anything to worry about . He is educated , intelligent , comes from a good family background and pays a lot more in taxes than most of us . In addition he appeals to more of the electorate than any other party . If the events of this week are the only fault that people can find with him , we are blessed to have such a great leader . The government do not force companies to go overseas , companies make these decisions . Are you suggesting that Corporation Tax should be lowered to encourage more people to stay . " Hey Pat, I guess you didn't hear the news that YouGove polls show Camron with a lower approval rating than Corbyn, eh? So along with everything else, you might need to rethink his appeal to the electorate! | |||
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"Following on from many comments on the David Camoron thread finishing with Clem fandango I want a dodgy geezer in charge who's trying to get rich. Not a socialist who things having wealth is a "bad thing". Where does the idea that having 'dodgy dan the bookkeeper man' as your accountant and do your tax returns, or 'backstreet bert' fix the breaks on your car? Or that 'call me [I stick my prick in pigs]"we're all in this together" Dave' and his Tories (from the Irish 'tóraidhe' which means outlaw hig. hwayman) are the best people to have running the country for our benefit? Why do so many people continue to believe contrary to all the evidence that they will be better off with corrupt self-serving crooks in charge of their money or safety? Why do they defend those criminal parasites who are feeding on them? And why are we so shocked when we find our pension funds coming up short, our jobs disappearing overseas along with the profits made by companies trading here and the cost of housing forcing an ever growing number out of the housing market and into overpriced sub-standard rented accommodation?. Hi. I don't think we have anything to worry about . He is educated , intelligent , comes from a good family background and pays a lot more in taxes than most of us . In addition he appeals to more of the electorate than any other party . If the events of this week are the only fault that people can find with him , we are blessed to have such a great leader . The government do not force companies to go overseas , companies make these decisions . Are you suggesting that Corporation Tax should be lowered to encourage more people to stay . Hey Pat, I guess you didn't hear the news that YouGove polls show Camron with a lower approval rating than Corbyn, eh? So along with everything else, you might need to rethink his appeal to the electorate! . I never pay too much attention to polls . The only polls that I worry about is the actual result on polling day.." Then the best you can hope for is that Cameron's crooked stink doesn't affect whoever the poor party ends up with as leader when he goes, possibly sooner than he originally intended. Although we can expect this all to be very big news once again in 2020. | |||
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"Following on from many comments on the David Camoron thread finishing with Clem fandango I want a dodgy geezer in charge who's trying to get rich. Not a socialist who things having wealth is a "bad thing". Where does the idea that having 'dodgy dan the bookkeeper man' as your accountant and do your tax returns, or 'backstreet bert' fix the breaks on your car? Or that 'call me [I stick my prick in pigs]"we're all in this together" Dave' and his Tories (from the Irish 'tóraidhe' which means outlaw highwayman) are the best people to have running the country for our benefit? Why do so many people continue to believe contrary to all the evidence that they will be better off with corrupt self-serving crooks in charge of their money or safety? Why do they defend those criminal parasites who are feeding on them? And why are we so shocked when we find our pension funds coming up short, our jobs disappearing overseas along with the profits made by companies trading here and the cost of housing forcing an ever growing number out of the housing market and into overpriced sub-standard rented accommodation?" . Which pension funds are coming up short ?. The would be the fault of the fund manager , not the government . | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable Not at all. I could never vote Conservative, for the above reasons. People who do so obviously have less qualms about greed, deceit and hypocrisy than me. Managed to get through that article yet, by the way? Yes and I still stand by what I said. Now you say in this thread the term which Labour spent in office when unemployment didn't rise? The administrations ending in 1924 and 1951, which you would know if you had managed to read that article. Now you can tell me which Tory administrations managed to reduce unemployment - and I'll give you a clue, you can find the answer in that article you didn't read. That is laughable. The government of 1924 was a coalition between labour and the liberals and only lasted for 9 months. And the figures for 1945-1951 are not really a true reflection when taking into account rebuilding after the war and the numbers involved anyway. I suggest you read a less biased website " You have chosen a highly selective interpretation to try and avoid the facts. That is deceitful, which should give you a clue as to why it was so natural for Grant Schapps to do exactly the same thing. As you are here though, care to point out how many Tory administrations have reduced unemployment? | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable Not at all. I could never vote Conservative, for the above reasons. People who do so obviously have less qualms about greed, deceit and hypocrisy than me. Managed to get through that article yet, by the way? Yes and I still stand by what I said. Now you say in this thread the term which Labour spent in office when unemployment didn't rise? The administrations ending in 1924 and 1951, which you would know if you had managed to read that article. Now you can tell me which Tory administrations managed to reduce unemployment - and I'll give you a clue, you can find the answer in that article you didn't read. That is laughable. The government of 1924 was a coalition between labour and the liberals and only lasted for 9 months. And the figures for 1945-1951 are not really a true reflection when taking into account rebuilding after the war and the numbers involved anyway. I suggest you read a less biased website You have chosen a highly selective interpretation to try and avoid the facts. That is deceitful, which should give you a clue as to why it was so natural for Grant Schapps to do exactly the same thing. As you are here though, care to point out how many Tory administrations have reduced unemployment? " Can't be arsed to look it up but if they hadn't there'd be no fucker working by now would there | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware...but that doesn't mean he is wrong on the issue of Europe. If he were to compile a list of all the things he believes there are lots of _iews I'm sure we'd share. His _iews on same sex marriage are correct for instance, off the top of my head. And yet if Tory voters share some of his _iews it is because they are drawn to greed, deceit and hypocrisy. Unbelievable Not at all. I could never vote Conservative, for the above reasons. People who do so obviously have less qualms about greed, deceit and hypocrisy than me. Managed to get through that article yet, by the way? Yes and I still stand by what I said. Now you say in this thread the term which Labour spent in office when unemployment didn't rise? The administrations ending in 1924 and 1951, which you would know if you had managed to read that article. Now you can tell me which Tory administrations managed to reduce unemployment - and I'll give you a clue, you can find the answer in that article you didn't read. That is laughable. The government of 1924 was a coalition between labour and the liberals and only lasted for 9 months. And the figures for 1945-1951 are not really a true reflection when taking into account rebuilding after the war and the numbers involved anyway. I suggest you read a less biased website You have chosen a highly selective interpretation to try and avoid the facts. That is deceitful, which should give you a clue as to why it was so natural for Grant Schapps to do exactly the same thing. As you are here though, care to point out how many Tory administrations have reduced unemployment? Can't be arsed to look it up but if they hadn't there'd be no fucker working by now would there " It's pretty much the same as Labour, and just as open to selective interpretation. Of course, trying to draw a point about employment by saying 'is it more or less than when you started' is reducing an extremely nuanced economic situation down to a meaningless figure in the hope that it will impress stupid people...which is why it suited a mendacious dimbulb like Gramt Shapps to do just that. | |||
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"We had a democratic vote didn't we? They won? So there's not much we can do about it until the next General Election. I don't particularly like any of them, but I'm really not sure id want Jeremy Corbyn running the country either. I couldn't even tell you who runs the Liberals now. They're all much of a muchness in my eyes. None of them is clean as a whistle. Edward Miliband Destroyed all Labours hope of winning; I see Edward Miliband as a weak person who I could not see running the UK Happily I did not have to vote for either as I am in Scotland and we have the best Party in Power, to lead Scotland and whether you like it or not The party in power for Scotland, looks out for Scotland's interests and is doing a good job, unlike the Party in Power in Westminster" I,m pleased scotland has their own Independence thats how it should be in my book along with the welsh, and Ireland too, we should all be separate and get on that way Its always politics that get in the way of everything and how we try and live our lives look at how europe lives theirs and they want us to be part of it through the EU ... It will be brussels who will have the last say not us in most things how in hell did it get to this state.. | |||
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"Following on from many comments on the David Camoron thread finishing with Clem fandango I want a dodgy geezer in charge who's trying to get rich. Not a socialist who things having wealth is a "bad thing". Where does the idea that having 'dodgy dan the bookkeeper man' as your accountant and do your tax returns, or 'backstreet bert' fix the breaks on your car? Or that 'call me [I stick my prick in pigs]"we're all in this together" Dave' and his Tories (from the Irish 'tóraidhe' which means outlaw highwayman) are the best people to have running the country for our benefit? Why do so many people continue to believe contrary to all the evidence that they will be better off with corrupt self-serving crooks in charge of their money or safety? Why do they defend those criminal parasites who are feeding on them? And why are we so shocked when we find our pension funds coming up short, our jobs disappearing overseas along with the profits made by companies trading here and the cost of housing forcing an ever growing number out of the housing market and into overpriced sub-standard rented accommodation?" Would you rather bring back Tony Blair? Borrow, borrow, borrow. Make no money, start a war because the people he borrowed from need back up and the give too much money to people who need assistance and puts them in a position where it's not viable for them to return to work. As for pensions most of these are historic from the seventies. Who were in charge a lot then? Hmmm. Let me think! Why most industries that are heavily unionised are going to the wall is because of the pension payouts that were agreed many years ago and now have to be paid out. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware... Yeah but they like him and lots of people like Donald trump as well!. . . If I may be presumptions... Nah it's not worth it " Out of the near 70 post at least you answered one of my questions. It is a shame that most of the other posters failed to address any of my questions. . . . But seeing as we have the same old shit being pumped out by the same old people I will remind you all what life was like in 1975 (when I started at Liverpool Poly). The average national wage was round £2000pa. The average price of a new family car was also about £2000. A 2 up 2 down terrace in need of modernisation (grants available for all improvements) outside the SE was between £1000 and £2000. Gas and Electricity cost the same for everyone be they on quarterly bills or prepaid meters. There were round 150000 unemployed but many of them were moving between job. If you became unemployed you got unemployment benefit (not means tested) with an income related addition for the first 6 months and your rent or mortgage was and rates were also paid for you. If like me you went into higher education your tuition was free and you got a maintenance grant (2 rates 1 for living at home 1 for living away) and if you lived further 3 miles from your campus your public transport costs were repaid at the end of each term, and you could sign on over the summer holidays. Homeless beggars were virtually unheard of because there was enough local authority housing stock to house all who needed homes. The difference between top earners and the average was about x6. VAT was at 8% but not charged on food clothing or transport. Income tax started at 33% and went up to 80% for top earners, corporation tax was 50% and capital gains tax was also 50%. This pretty much paid for everything and was clearing the war loans debts. . . . Then came Thatcher and her free market monetarism and corruption that we have had for the past 35 years. . . . And what have we got? Maximum rate of income tax 40% capital gains 28% but vat on nearly everything at 20%. No education grants, but £9000 a year tuition fees. No local authority social housing (soon to be no housing trust social housing either). Rampant Rachmanism and homeless beggars on the streets of every town with probably hundreds of thousands or millions more hidden sofa surfing (we even have a name for it!) through out the country. But look on the bright side, the top earners now earn x27 the average and get to keep more of what they earn from selling us worthless pensions and worthless insurances while fixing interest rates and inflating property prices so that young people today are unlikely to ever be able to afford to buy a home! How many people earn enough in a year to buy a house (2 up 2 down in need of modernisation)? And how many of you have zero hours contracts at the national minimum *sorry living* wage? Where have all the grants gone? Where have all the jobs gone? Where have all the local authority houses gone? They have been sold off and converted into offshore tax free piggy banks for the likes of Camoron and his corrupt mates and backers! And many of you think this is good for you and us all. Have you all been so brainwashed or seduced by the criminals you support that you cant or wont see how they are bleeding us all dry? . . . . . Finally I have one last observation to make. With all the thought of anti Semitism I find it sadly amusing that so many here are refusing to see what the Tories are doing to the poor. In exactly the same way as Germans refused to see what the Nazis were doing to the Jews until it was too late. And I cant help noticing that just like in the 30s the big cry is you cant trust the socialists. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware... Yeah but they like him and lots of people like Donald trump as well!. . . If I may be presumptions... Nah it's not worth it Out of the near 70 post at least you answered one of my questions. It is a shame that most of the other posters failed to address any of my questions. . . . But seeing as we have the same old shit being pumped out by the same old people I will remind you all what life was like in 1975 (when I started at Liverpool Poly). The average national wage was round £2000pa. The average price of a new family car was also about £2000. A 2 up 2 down terrace in need of modernisation (grants available for all improvements) outside the SE was between £1000 and £2000. Gas and Electricity cost the same for everyone be they on quarterly bills or prepaid meters. There were round 150000 unemployed but many of them were moving between job. If you became unemployed you got unemployment benefit (not means tested) with an income related addition for the first 6 months and your rent or mortgage was and rates were also paid for you. If like me you went into higher education your tuition was free and you got a maintenance grant (2 rates 1 for living at home 1 for living away) and if you lived further 3 miles from your campus your public transport costs were repaid at the end of each term, and you could sign on over the summer holidays. Homeless beggars were virtually unheard of because there was enough local authority housing stock to house all who needed homes. The difference between top earners and the average was about x6. VAT was at 8% but not charged on food clothing or transport. Income tax started at 33% and went up to 80% for top earners, corporation tax was 50% and capital gains tax was also 50%. This pretty much paid for everything and was clearing the war loans debts. . . . Then came Thatcher and her free market monetarism and corruption that we have had for the past 35 years. . . . And what have we got? Maximum rate of income tax 40% capital gains 28% but vat on nearly everything at 20%. No education grants, but £9000 a year tuition fees. No local authority social housing (soon to be no housing trust social housing either). Rampant Rachmanism and homeless beggars on the streets of every town with probably hundreds of thousands or millions more hidden sofa surfing (we even have a name for it!) through out the country. But look on the bright side, the top earners now earn x27 the average and get to keep more of what they earn from selling us worthless pensions and worthless insurances while fixing interest rates and inflating property prices so that young people today are unlikely to ever be able to afford to buy a home! How many people earn enough in a year to buy a house (2 up 2 down in need of modernisation)? And how many of you have zero hours contracts at the national minimum *sorry living* wage? Where have all the grants gone? Where have all the jobs gone? Where have all the local authority houses gone? They have been sold off and converted into offshore tax free piggy banks for the likes of Camoron and his corrupt mates and backers! And many of you think this is good for you and us all. Have you all been so brainwashed or seduced by the criminals you support that you cant or wont see how they are bleeding us all dry? . . . . . Finally I have one last observation to make. With all the thought of anti Semitism I find it sadly amusing that so many here are refusing to see what the Tories are doing to the poor. In exactly the same way as Germans refused to see what the Nazis were doing to the Jews until it was too late. And I cant help noticing that just like in the 30s the big cry is you cant trust the socialists." . I think that you need to recognise that standards of living are vastly improved for most people compared to the era which you mention . The number of homeless to which you refer is comparatively small in most towns and sadly is the fault of an individual's background , not the government . By lowering rates of taxation we have encouraged investment and created more jobs . Living standards are vastly superior compared to the era which you mention . All in all we have progresses substantially compared to the era which you mention | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware... Yeah but they like him and lots of people like Donald trump as well!. . . If I may be presumptions... Nah it's not worth it Out of the near 70 post at least you answered one of my questions. It is a shame that most of the other posters failed to address any of my questions. . . . But seeing as we have the same old shit being pumped out by the same old people I will remind you all what life was like in 1975 (when I started at Liverpool Poly). The average national wage was round £2000pa. The average price of a new family car was also about £2000. A 2 up 2 down terrace in need of modernisation (grants available for all improvements) outside the SE was between £1000 and £2000. Gas and Electricity cost the same for everyone be they on quarterly bills or prepaid meters. There were round 150000 unemployed but many of them were moving between job. If you became unemployed you got unemployment benefit (not means tested) with an income related addition for the first 6 months and your rent or mortgage was and rates were also paid for you. If like me you went into higher education your tuition was free and you got a maintenance grant (2 rates 1 for living at home 1 for living away) and if you lived further 3 miles from your campus your public transport costs were repaid at the end of each term, and you could sign on over the summer holidays. Homeless beggars were virtually unheard of because there was enough local authority housing stock to house all who needed homes. The difference between top earners and the average was about x6. VAT was at 8% but not charged on food clothing or transport. Income tax started at 33% and went up to 80% for top earners, corporation tax was 50% and capital gains tax was also 50%. This pretty much paid for everything and was clearing the war loans debts. . . . Then came Thatcher and her free market monetarism and corruption that we have had for the past 35 years. . . . And what have we got? Maximum rate of income tax 40% capital gains 28% but vat on nearly everything at 20%. No education grants, but £9000 a year tuition fees. No local authority social housing (soon to be no housing trust social housing either). Rampant Rachmanism and homeless beggars on the streets of every town with probably hundreds of thousands or millions more hidden sofa surfing (we even have a name for it!) through out the country. But look on the bright side, the top earners now earn x27 the average and get to keep more of what they earn from selling us worthless pensions and worthless insurances while fixing interest rates and inflating property prices so that young people today are unlikely to ever be able to afford to buy a home! How many people earn enough in a year to buy a house (2 up 2 down in need of modernisation)? And how many of you have zero hours contracts at the national minimum *sorry living* wage? Where have all the grants gone? Where have all the jobs gone? Where have all the local authority houses gone? They have been sold off and converted into offshore tax free piggy banks for the likes of Camoron and his corrupt mates and backers! And many of you think this is good for you and us all. Have you all been so brainwashed or seduced by the criminals you support that you cant or wont see how they are bleeding us all dry? . . . . . Finally I have one last observation to make. With all the thought of anti Semitism I find it sadly amusing that so many here are refusing to see what the Tories are doing to the poor. In exactly the same way as Germans refused to see what the Nazis were doing to the Jews until it was too late. And I cant help noticing that just like in the 30s the big cry is you cant trust the socialists." I couldn't of said it better myself, people need to wake up to what's actually happening to this country under the power of these people, it's criminal. | |||
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"Lets be honest is anyone surprised and would be where this about those on the opposition benches (which may well come to light).. power with some corrupts, there's news eh.. we get the Politicians we deserve.. if the behaviour is not acceptable from those to whom you are politically opposed, then it stands to reason if one is being 'objective' as regards the issue that its also not acceptable from those you support.. I don't think many Conservative voters will say they object to greed, deceit or hypocrisy, though. These are the traits that have drawn them to the party in the first place. So how do you reconcile the fact that you share the same _iews on Europe as a 'filthy pig fucking crook'? (Your words not mine) I feel fine about it, it's not in need of reconciliation. Cameron is a crooked pig fucker as everyone who voted for him is aware... Yeah but they like him and lots of people like Donald trump as well!. . . If I may be presumptions... Nah it's not worth it Out of the near 70 post at least you answered one of my questions. It is a shame that most of the other posters failed to address any of my questions. . . . But seeing as we have the same old shit being pumped out by the same old people I will remind you all what life was like in 1975 (when I started at Liverpool Poly). The average national wage was round £2000pa. The average price of a new family car was also about £2000. A 2 up 2 down terrace in need of modernisation (grants available for all improvements) outside the SE was between £1000 and £2000. Gas and Electricity cost the same for everyone be they on quarterly bills or prepaid meters. There were round 150000 unemployed but many of them were moving between job. If you became unemployed you got unemployment benefit (not means tested) with an income related addition for the first 6 months and your rent or mortgage was and rates were also paid for you. If like me you went into higher education your tuition was free and you got a maintenance grant (2 rates 1 for living at home 1 for living away) and if you lived further 3 miles from your campus your public transport costs were repaid at the end of each term, and you could sign on over the summer holidays. Homeless beggars were virtually unheard of because there was enough local authority housing stock to house all who needed homes. The difference between top earners and the average was about x6. VAT was at 8% but not charged on food clothing or transport. Income tax started at 33% and went up to 80% for top earners, corporation tax was 50% and capital gains tax was also 50%. This pretty much paid for everything and was clearing the war loans debts. . . . Then came Thatcher and her free market monetarism and corruption that we have had for the past 35 years. . . . And what have we got? Maximum rate of income tax 40% capital gains 28% but vat on nearly everything at 20%. No education grants, but £9000 a year tuition fees. No local authority social housing (soon to be no housing trust social housing either). Rampant Rachmanism and homeless beggars on the streets of every town with probably hundreds of thousands or millions more hidden sofa surfing (we even have a name for it!) through out the country. But look on the bright side, the top earners now earn x27 the average and get to keep more of what they earn from selling us worthless pensions and worthless insurances while fixing interest rates and inflating property prices so that young people today are unlikely to ever be able to afford to buy a home! How many people earn enough in a year to buy a house (2 up 2 down in need of modernisation)? And how many of you have zero hours contracts at the national minimum *sorry living* wage? Where have all the grants gone? Where have all the jobs gone? Where have all the local authority houses gone? They have been sold off and converted into offshore tax free piggy banks for the likes of Camoron and his corrupt mates and backers! And many of you think this is good for you and us all. Have you all been so brainwashed or seduced by the criminals you support that you cant or wont see how they are bleeding us all dry? . . . . . Finally I have one last observation to make. With all the thought of anti Semitism I find it sadly amusing that so many here are refusing to see what the Tories are doing to the poor. In exactly the same way as Germans refused to see what the Nazis were doing to the Jews until it was too late. And I cant help noticing that just like in the 30s the big cry is you cant trust the socialists.. I think that you need to recognise that standards of living are vastly improved for most people compared to the era which you mention . The number of homeless to which you refer is comparatively small in most towns and sadly is the fault of an individual's background , not the government . By lowering rates of taxation we have encouraged investment and created more jobs . Living standards are vastly superior compared to the era which you mention . All in all we have progresses substantially compared to the era which you mention " Yeah we've progressed but at what cost? Who's better off? And where's all these great jobs you talk of? The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, i run my own business and believe me this government ain't helping out many people at the moment, it's doing the opposite. It's robbing from hard working people to fund their wars and reduce the deficit what they created, what's good about that? | |||
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"What are the alternatives? Corbyn? Or farage " I asked 3 times and never got an answer.. | |||
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"Which they created?? Anyway, best way to help your business is to vote for Brexit Why's that then?" Less power to these people we need waking up to eh | |||
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"Which they created?? Anyway, best way to help your business is to vote for Brexit Why's that then? Less power to these people we need waking up to eh" You think the government would have less power over you if we left the EU? | |||
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"I must say though that standards of literacy have never been lower. Also that the feeling of "being owed" something by the lazy has never been more prevalent." The National Literacy Trust, who measure these things, seem to think that the level of UK literacy is increasing. As for your other point, why do you feel that lazy people owe you something so much? Or do you want to rephrase that? | |||
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"Which they created?? Anyway, best way to help your business is to vote for Brexit Why's that then? Less power to these people we need waking up to eh" What does that mean? | |||
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"What are the alternatives? Corbyn? Or farage " And really the question should be "what WERE the alternatives?" seeing as we're along way from the next GE. And the lefties are still moaning about the result of the last one! What was the alternative to Cameron at the last GE? Answer: There wasn't one. | |||
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"The majority People are always frightened of the unknown they always need to feel comforted and wrapped in cotton wool, that is why the majority will vote to remain they are frightened to make a go of things and stand on their own two feet others call them; gutless" The majority of people should vote to remain because it is objectively the most beneficial position for our country and future, if you look at all the facts logically. However, there are millions of idiots in the UK, so Brexit will receive a lot of support, regardless of any logic or facts. | |||
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"Which they created?? Anyway, best way to help your business is to vote for Brexit Why's that then? Less power to these people we need waking up to eh What does that mean? Less government and parasites" How will that happen? And what evidence is there that it will cause a benefit to business? One thing that is granted is that business administration for the thousands of UK businesses dealing with Europe will increase...along with the costs associated with business administration. | |||
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"What are the alternatives? Corbyn? Or farage And really the question should be "what WERE the alternatives?" seeing as we're along way from the next GE. And the lefties are still moaning about the result of the last one! What was the alternative to Cameron at the last GE? Answer: There wasn't one." Sometimes it needs someone to state the bleeding obvious | |||
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"Any capitalist worth his or her salt will vote remain. I need it to be easy to work in Europe. The EURO zone pays well . Greed is good. Now who said that " Juncker I think | |||
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"Any capitalist worth his or her salt will vote remain. I need it to be easy to work in Europe. The EURO zone pays well ." Globalisation is unavoidable. Anyone thinking that being a small fish in a big sea is going to be beneficial is an ass. I hate all this "make Great Britain great again" bollocks - it's for absolute idiots that have no concept of the way the world works or is heading. | |||
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"Which they created?? Anyway, best way to help your business is to vote for Brexit Why's that then? Less power to these people we need waking up to eh What does that mean? Less government and parasites How will that happen? And what evidence is there that it will cause a benefit to business? One thing that is granted is that business administration for the thousands of UK businesses dealing with Europe will increase...along with the costs associated with business administration. What do you know about business?" | |||
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"What are the alternatives? Corbyn? Or farage And really the question should be "what WERE the alternatives?" seeing as we're along way from the next GE. And the lefties are still moaning about the result of the last one! What was the alternative to Cameron at the last GE? Answer: There wasn't one." That's certainly true, Labour under Miliband were no alternative to the Tories. Fortunately we now have Corbyn, so the choice in 2020 will be between a principalled, competent and honest politician, and whoever the Tories are unlucky enough to end up with. As woefully inept as Cameron is, there is no denying he is their best man for the job of Prime Minister. Whoever leads the Tories in 2020, it's a gift for Labour. | |||
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"Which they created?? Anyway, best way to help your business is to vote for Brexit Why's that then? Less power to these people we need waking up to eh What does that mean? Less government and parasites How will that happen? And what evidence is there that it will cause a benefit to business? One thing that is granted is that business administration for the thousands of UK businesses dealing with Europe will increase...along with the costs associated with business administration. What do you know about business?" Quite a lot as it happens. Can you answer the question, or is this yet another thing you are going to dump here without any information to back it up? | |||
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"What are the alternatives? Corbyn? Or farage And really the question should be "what WERE the alternatives?" seeing as we're along way from the next GE. And the lefties are still moaning about the result of the last one! What was the alternative to Cameron at the last GE? Answer: There wasn't one. That's certainly true, Labour under Miliband were no alternative to the Tories. Fortunately we now have Corbyn, so the choice in 2020 will be between a principalled, competent and honest politician, and whoever the Tories are unlucky enough to end up with. As woefully inept as Cameron is, there is no denying he is their best man for the job of Prime Minister. Whoever leads the Tories in 2020, it's a gift for Labour. " Pmsl | |||
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"Which they created?? Anyway, best way to help your business is to vote for Brexit Why's that then? Less power to these people we need waking up to eh What does that mean? Less government and parasites How will that happen? And what evidence is there that it will cause a benefit to business? One thing that is granted is that business administration for the thousands of UK businesses dealing with Europe will increase...along with the costs associated with business administration. What do you know about business? Quite a lot as it happens. Can you answer the question, or is this yet another thing you are going to dump here without any information to back it up?" Your posts suggest otherwise | |||
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"Any capitalist worth his or her salt will vote remain. I need it to be easy to work in Europe. The EURO zone pays well . Globalisation is unavoidable. Anyone thinking that being a small fish in a big sea is going to be beneficial is an ass. I hate all this "make Great Britain great again" bollocks - it's for absolute idiots that have no concept of the way the world works or is heading." Indeed. There comes a time when you have to admit the ship is sinking, now your can either sit down and listen to the band as you drown or you can try and scabble your way over everyone else to get to the last bit to go under. Either way everyone drowns. Personally id rather be a scrabbler than a band listener. | |||
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"Whoever leads the Tories in 2020, it's a gift for Labour. I'd love to agree with you but Boris is far more popular than Corbyn will ever be." If he manages to get the job, I give him so months at best before he is forced out. His pretend oaf schtick will wear pretty thin for Tories if he gets to lead the party. Cameron was far more popular than Boris will ever be, and even he is trailing Corbyn now in terms of approval. Boris will be the biggest gift to Labour the Tories could bestow. | |||
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" Fortunately we now have Corbyn, Whoever leads the Tories in 2020, it's a gift for Labour. Indeed, we are smiling wide at the prospect! " enjoy | |||
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Ancram replied by agreeing to repay the £98 boiler servicing claim, but maintained that “none of the other items were extravagant or luxurious”.[87] James Arbuthnot (Conservative, North East Hampshire) – reported to have claimed for maintenance on the swimming pool at his constituency home, a claim that he accepted was "an error of judgment" and one which he would repay.[88] Gregory Barker (Shadow Energy & Climate Change Minister/Conservative, Bexhill & Battle) – sold a London flat which he had purchased using expenses for a profit of £327,000. Barker responded by saying the newspaper had failed to take into account the fact that he had invested a "significant amount" of his own money.[57][89] Bill Cash (Conservative, Stone) – it was reported on 28 May 2009 that Cash had claimed £15,000 which he then paid to his daughter, a prospective Conservative candidate, as rent for a Notting Hill flat, when he had a flat of his own a few miles away and closer to Westminster. Cash defended these expenses by claiming that it was done within the rules and that "It was only for a year".[90] David Davis (Former Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Haltemprice & Howden) – reportedly claimed in excess of £10,000 over four years for home improvements, including £5,700 for a portico at his Yorkshire house. Davis responded that his previous portico had sustained severe water damage, necessitating the building of a new one.[91] Jonathan Djanogly (Shadow Business Minister & Shadow Solicitor General/Conservative, Huntingdon) - claimed £5,000 for security gates on his constituency home as well as £13,962 for cleaning expenses and a further £12,951 for gardening costs. Djanogly commented that "The automatic gates are integrated with a CCTV system which I installed with police advice after I had security threats following from my representation of constituents' interests at Huntingdon Life Sciences."[92] Alan Duncan (Shadow Leader of the House/Conservative, Rutland and Melton) – claimed more than £4,000 over a three-year period in expenses for gardening costs until he agreed with the Commons Fees Office that such claims "could be considered excessive" and stopped. Duncan quickly responded by suggesting that the reports in the Telegraph were "misleading", and that all his claims were "legitimate and approved by the fees office".[93] Cheryl Gillan (Shadow Welsh Secretary/Conservative, Chesham and Amersham) – claimed on expenses for £4.47 worth of pet food. Gillan confirmed that dog food had been mistakenly included in a claim, and that she would pay the relevant amount back to the Commons.[55] Michael Gove (Shadow Children, Schools & Families Secretary/Conservative, Surrey Heath) – claimed £7,000 for furnishing a London property before "flipping" his designated second home to a house in his constituency, a property for which he claimed around £13,000 to cover stamp duty. It is also alleged that Gove claimed for a cot mattress, despite children's items being banned under the Commons rule. Gove said he would repay the claim for the cot mattress, but maintained that his other claims were "below the acceptable threshold costs for furniture".[47] Chris Grayling (Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Epsom & Ewell) – reportedly claimed to renovate a flat in London, despite already owning three properties inside the M25. Grayling is also said to have continued to claim for works on the property for up to a year after they had finished. Grayling defended his claims, saying he needed to have two homes in order to serve both his constituents and fulfil his duties in the Shadow Cabinet.[94] John Gummer (Former Cabinet Minister/Conservative, Suffolk Coastal) – claimed more than £9,000 for gardening. Gummer has yet to respond.[57] David Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative, Wells) – allegedly claimed for more than £380 of horse manure for his garden. Heathcoat-Amory responded only to confirm that such claims had indeed been made.[95] Douglas Hogg/Viscount Hailsham (Conservative, Sleaford and North Hykeham) – allegedly claimed £2,115 to have the moat at his country estate cleaned, as well as claiming for piano tuning and a gardener. Hogg emphatically denied the claims, saying: "I have never claimed for the moat, or for the piano tuning - the allegation that I did is incorrect. I never claimed for these and I never received any money."[96] Later, he responded to the newspaper's claims by saying he had agreed all claims with the fees office, and therefore hoped and believed that they would comply with the rules and the meaning of the rules.[97] Stewart Jackson (Shadow Communities Minister/Conservative, Peterborough) – reported to have claimed £11,000 in 'professional fees' and over £300 for maintaining the swimming pool at his home. When questioned, Jackson admitted that the swimming pool claim could be "construed as excessive" and as such would repay the money.[45] Bernard Jenkin (Conservative, North Essex) - was reported to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[98] Julie Kirkbride (Conservative, Bromsgrove) - was reported to have claimed, amongst other costs, over £1,000 per month in mortgage payments on an apartment in her constituency. She has stated that these claims are "a total distortion".[99] Kirkbride is reported to have claimed, jointly with her husband, MP Andrew Mackay, that the couple's two homes were both second homes, which were subsidised by taxpayers.[100] Andrew Lansley (Shadow Health Secretary/Conservative, South Cambridgeshire) – also accused of 'flipping' second homes after claiming in order to renovate a rural cottage prior to selling it. It is claimed that after he 'flipped' his second home designation to a London flat, he claimed thousands of pounds for furniture. Lansley responded to the claims by stating that his claims were "within the rules".[101] Oliver Letwin (Chairman of the Conservative Research Department & Policy Re_iew/Conservative, West Dorset) – reportedly claimed over £2,000 to replace a leaking pipe on the tennis courts at his constituency home. Letwin responded by saying that the work had to be carried out because he had been served with a statutory notice by the water company.[102] Andrew MacKay (Conservative, Bracknell) - resigned as parliamentary aide to David Cameron over what he described as "unacceptable" expenses claims made by him and his wife, Julie Kirkbride, a fellow MP.[103] David Maclean (Conservative, Penrith and The Border) - who introduced the 2007 Bill, spent more than £20,000 improving his farmhouse under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) before selling it for £750,000. He claimed the money by designating the property as his “second home” with the Commons authorities, yet Maclean did not pay capital gains tax on the sale because the taxman accepted it was his main home.[81] Francis Maude (Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office/Conservative, Horsham) – allegedly had a claim for mortgage interest rejected by the Fees Office. It is also suggested that Maude purchased a flat in London, close to a house he already owned, before claiming on the flat and renting out the house.[104] Sir Malcolm Rifkind KCMG (Former Foreign Secretary/Conservative, Kensington and Chelsea) - in 2008 he claimed £3,066 for flights to his home in Scotland despite representing Kensington and Chelsea which is only three tube stops away from the Houses of Parliament.[105] Sir Michael Spicer (Chairman of the 1922 Committee/Conservative, West Worcestershire) – said to have claimed for the costs of hanging a chandelier in his main manor house and £5,650 in nine months for his garden to be maintained, which included the cutting of a hedge into a helipad. Spicer responded by saying the helipad was a "family joke".[86] Anthony Steen (Conservative, Totnes) - claimed more than £87,000 over four years for maintenance and upkeep of his country home. Since the revelation in the Daily Telegraph, Steen has announced that he will not be standing at the next General Election. He also claimed on the BBC's The World at One radio programme that people were "jealous" because he has a "very, very large house".[106] Skogaholm Manor. Peter Viggers claimed compensation for a replica of the manor to be used as a duck house.Sir Peter Viggers (Conservative, Gosport) - said to have claimed £20,000 on gardening expenses and £1,645 for a 5 ft duck house,[107] made as a replica of Skogaholm Manor in Stockholm, Sweden.[108] Mystery surrounds the whereabouts of the £1,645 duck house after aerial photographs revealed it was no longer in its pond, but Viggers had sold the property and the new owners may have removed the house for reasons related to this story.[109] The duck house later resurfaced and was auctioned for charity, going on display at a business centre in Wolverhampton[110] Bill Wiggin (Conservative, Leominster) - said to have claimed mortgage interest on his constituency home even though the house had never had a mortgage on it.[107] David Willetts (Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary/Conservative, Havant) – allegedly claimed £100 for workmen to replace 25 light bulbs in his second home. Willetts said that a workman was required to replace the light bulbs because there was a fault in the system that "needed the attention of an electrician".[111] Brian Binley (Conservative, Northampton South) - claimed £57,000 over 3 years in rent in respect of a flat owned by a company of which he was chairman. Initially, the arrangement may have been permissible within the expenses rules. In April 2006 the rules were tightened specifically to bar MPs from paying rent to their own companies. The House of Commons fees office contacted Mr Binley to inform him that his arrangement was outside the rules but payments continued until early 2009 " This one? | |||
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"digging the dirt; David Cameron, announced that all questionable claims by the Shadow Cabinet would be repaid, including those made by Michael Gove, Oliver Letwin, Francis Maude and Chris Grayling. Cameron himself repaid a £680 repair bill that included the clearing of wisteria from his chimney. Those claims and further revelations are listed below: Michael Ancram/The Marquess of Lothian (Conservative, Devizes) – said to have claimed on expenses for servicing of his swimming pool's boiler, as well as gardening, cleaning and a housekeeper at his constituency home. Ancram replied by agreeing to repay the £98 boiler servicing claim, but maintained that “none of the other items were extravagant or luxurious”.[87] James Arbuthnot (Conservative, North East Hampshire) – reported to have claimed for maintenance on the swimming pool at his constituency home, a claim that he accepted was "an error of judgment" and one which he would repay.[88] Gregory Barker (Shadow Energy & Climate Change Minister/Conservative, Bexhill & Battle) – sold a London flat which he had purchased using expenses for a profit of £327,000. Barker responded by saying the newspaper had failed to take into account the fact that he had invested a "significant amount" of his own money.[57][89] Bill Cash (Conservative, Stone) – it was reported on 28 May 2009 that Cash had claimed £15,000 which he then paid to his daughter, a prospective Conservative candidate, as rent for a Notting Hill flat, when he had a flat of his own a few miles away and closer to Westminster. Cash defended these expenses by claiming that it was done within the rules and that "It was only for a year".[90] David Davis (Former Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Haltemprice & Howden) – reportedly claimed in excess of £10,000 over four years for home improvements, including £5,700 for a portico at his Yorkshire house. Davis responded that his previous portico had sustained severe water damage, necessitating the building of a new one.[91] Jonathan Djanogly (Shadow Business Minister & Shadow Solicitor General/Conservative, Huntingdon) - claimed £5,000 for security gates on his constituency home as well as £13,962 for cleaning expenses and a further £12,951 for gardening costs. Djanogly commented that "The automatic gates are integrated with a CCTV system which I installed with police advice after I had security threats following from my representation of constituents' interests at Huntingdon Life Sciences."[92] Alan Duncan (Shadow Leader of the House/Conservative, Rutland and Melton) – claimed more than £4,000 over a three-year period in expenses for gardening costs until he agreed with the Commons Fees Office that such claims "could be considered excessive" and stopped. Duncan quickly responded by suggesting that the reports in the Telegraph were "misleading", and that all his claims were "legitimate and approved by the fees office".[93] Cheryl Gillan (Shadow Welsh Secretary/Conservative, Chesham and Amersham) – claimed on expenses for £4.47 worth of pet food. Gillan confirmed that dog food had been mistakenly included in a claim, and that she would pay the relevant amount back to the Commons.[55] Michael Gove (Shadow Children, Schools & Families Secretary/Conservative, Surrey Heath) – claimed £7,000 for furnishing a London property before "flipping" his designated second home to a house in his constituency, a property for which he claimed around £13,000 to cover stamp duty. It is also alleged that Gove claimed for a cot mattress, despite children's items being banned under the Commons rule. Gove said he would repay the claim for the cot mattress, but maintained that his other claims were "below the acceptable threshold costs for furniture".[47] Chris Grayling (Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Epsom & Ewell) – reportedly claimed to renovate a flat in London, despite already owning three properties inside the M25. Grayling is also said to have continued to claim for works on the property for up to a year after they had finished. Grayling defended his claims, saying he needed to have two homes in order to serve both his constituents and fulfil his duties in the Shadow Cabinet.[94] John Gummer (Former Cabinet Minister/Conservative, Suffolk Coastal) – claimed more than £9,000 for gardening. Gummer has yet to respond.[57] David Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative, Wells) – allegedly claimed for more than £380 of horse manure for his garden. Heathcoat-Amory responded only to confirm that such claims had indeed been made.[95] Douglas Hogg/Viscount Hailsham (Conservative, Sleaford and North Hykeham) – allegedly claimed £2,115 to have the moat at his country estate cleaned, as well as claiming for piano tuning and a gardener. Hogg emphatically denied the claims, saying: "I have never claimed for the moat, or for the piano tuning - the allegation that I did is incorrect. I never claimed for these and I never received any money."[96] Later, he responded to the newspaper's claims by saying he had agreed all claims with the fees office, and therefore hoped and believed that they would comply with the rules and the meaning of the rules.[97] Stewart Jackson (Shadow Communities Minister/Conservative, Peterborough) – reported to have claimed £11,000 in 'professional fees' and over £300 for maintaining the swimming pool at his home. When questioned, Jackson admitted that the swimming pool claim could be "construed as excessive" and as such would repay the money.[45] Bernard Jenkin (Conservative, North Essex) - was reported to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[98] Julie Kirkbride (Conservative, Bromsgrove) - was reported to have claimed, amongst other costs, over £1,000 per month in mortgage payments on an apartment in her constituency. She has stated that these claims are "a total distortion".[99] Kirkbride is reported to have claimed, jointly with her husband, MP Andrew Mackay, that the couple's two homes were both second homes, which were subsidised by taxpayers.[100] Andrew Lansley (Shadow Health Secretary/Conservative, South Cambridgeshire) – also accused of 'flipping' second homes after claiming in order to renovate a rural cottage prior to selling it. It is claimed that after he 'flipped' his second home designation to a London flat, he claimed thousands of pounds for furniture. Lansley responded to the claims by stating that his claims were "within the rules".[101] Oliver Letwin (Chairman of the Conservative Research Department & Policy Re_iew/Conservative, West Dorset) – reportedly claimed over £2,000 to replace a leaking pipe on the tennis courts at his constituency home. Letwin responded by saying that the work had to be carried out because he had been served with a statutory notice by the water company.[102] Andrew MacKay (Conservative, Bracknell) - resigned as parliamentary aide to David Cameron over what he described as "unacceptable" expenses claims made by him and his wife, Julie Kirkbride, a fellow MP.[103] David Maclean (Conservative, Penrith and The Border) - who introduced the 2007 Bill, spent more than £20,000 improving his farmhouse under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) before selling it for £750,000. He claimed the money by designating the property as his “second home” with the Commons authorities, yet Maclean did not pay capital gains tax on the sale because the taxman accepted it was his main home.[81] Francis Maude (Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office/Conservative, Horsham) – allegedly had a claim for mortgage interest rejected by the Fees Office. It is also suggested that Maude purchased a flat in London, close to a house he already owned, before claiming on the flat and renting out the house.[104] Sir Malcolm Rifkind KCMG (Former Foreign Secretary/Conservative, Kensington and Chelsea) - in 2008 he claimed £3,066 for flights to his home in Scotland despite representing Kensington and Chelsea which is only three tube stops away from the Houses of Parliament.[105] Sir Michael Spicer (Chairman of the 1922 Committee/Conservative, West Worcestershire) – said to have claimed for the costs of hanging a chandelier in his main manor house and £5,650 in nine months for his garden to be maintained, which included the cutting of a hedge into a helipad. Spicer responded by saying the helipad was a "family joke".[86] Anthony Steen (Conservative, Totnes) - claimed more than £87,000 over four years for maintenance and upkeep of his country home. Since the revelation in the Daily Telegraph, Steen has announced that he will not be standing at the next General Election. He also claimed on the BBC's The World at One radio programme that people were "jealous" because he has a "very, very large house".[106] Skogaholm Manor. Peter Viggers claimed compensation for a replica of the manor to be used as a duck house.Sir Peter Viggers (Conservative, Gosport) - said to have claimed £20,000 on gardening expenses and £1,645 for a 5 ft duck house,[107] made as a replica of Skogaholm Manor in Stockholm, Sweden.[108] Mystery surrounds the whereabouts of the £1,645 duck house after aerial photographs revealed it was no longer in its pond, but Viggers had sold the property and the new owners may have removed the house for reasons related to this story.[109] The duck house later resurfaced and was auctioned for charity, going on display at a business centre in Wolverhampton[110] Bill Wiggin (Conservative, Leominster) - said to have claimed mortgage interest on his constituency home even though the house had never had a mortgage on it.[107] David Willetts (Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary/Conservative, Havant) – allegedly claimed £100 for workmen to replace 25 light bulbs in his second home. Willetts said that a workman was required to replace the light bulbs because there was a fault in the system that "needed the attention of an electrician".[111] Brian Binley (Conservative, Northampton South) - claimed £57,000 over 3 years in rent in respect of a flat owned by a company of which he was chairman. Initially, the arrangement may have been permissible within the expenses rules. In April 2006 the rules were tightened specifically to bar MPs from paying rent to their own companies. The House of Commons fees office contacted Mr Binley to inform him that his arrangement was outside the rules but payments continued until early 2009 This one?" Yeah I think so | |||
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"digging the dirt; David Cameron, announced that all questionable claims by the Shadow Cabinet would be repaid, including those made by Michael Gove, Oliver Letwin, Francis Maude and Chris Grayling. Cameron himself repaid a £680 repair bill that included the clearing of wisteria from his chimney. Those claims and further revelations are listed below: Michael Ancram/The Marquess of Lothian (Conservative, Devizes) – said to have claimed on expenses for servicing of his swimming pool's boiler, as well as gardening, cleaning and a housekeeper at his constituency home. Ancram replied by agreeing to repay the £98 boiler servicing claim, but maintained that “none of the other items were extravagant or luxurious”.[87] James Arbuthnot (Conservative, North East Hampshire) – reported to have claimed for maintenance on the swimming pool at his constituency home, a claim that he accepted was "an error of judgment" and one which he would repay.[88] Gregory Barker (Shadow Energy & Climate Change Minister/Conservative, Bexhill & Battle) – sold a London flat which he had purchased using expenses for a profit of £327,000. Barker responded by saying the newspaper had failed to take into account the fact that he had invested a "significant amount" of his own money.[57][89] Bill Cash (Conservative, Stone) – it was reported on 28 May 2009 that Cash had claimed £15,000 which he then paid to his daughter, a prospective Conservative candidate, as rent for a Notting Hill flat, when he had a flat of his own a few miles away and closer to Westminster. Cash defended these expenses by claiming that it was done within the rules and that "It was only for a year".[90] David Davis (Former Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Haltemprice & Howden) – reportedly claimed in excess of £10,000 over four years for home improvements, including £5,700 for a portico at his Yorkshire house. Davis responded that his previous portico had sustained severe water damage, necessitating the building of a new one.[91] Jonathan Djanogly (Shadow Business Minister & Shadow Solicitor General/Conservative, Huntingdon) - claimed £5,000 for security gates on his constituency home as well as £13,962 for cleaning expenses and a further £12,951 for gardening costs. Djanogly commented that "The automatic gates are integrated with a CCTV system which I installed with police advice after I had security threats following from my representation of constituents' interests at Huntingdon Life Sciences."[92] Alan Duncan (Shadow Leader of the House/Conservative, Rutland and Melton) – claimed more than £4,000 over a three-year period in expenses for gardening costs until he agreed with the Commons Fees Office that such claims "could be considered excessive" and stopped. Duncan quickly responded by suggesting that the reports in the Telegraph were "misleading", and that all his claims were "legitimate and approved by the fees office".[93] Cheryl Gillan (Shadow Welsh Secretary/Conservative, Chesham and Amersham) – claimed on expenses for £4.47 worth of pet food. Gillan confirmed that dog food had been mistakenly included in a claim, and that she would pay the relevant amount back to the Commons.[55] Michael Gove (Shadow Children, Schools & Families Secretary/Conservative, Surrey Heath) – claimed £7,000 for furnishing a London property before "flipping" his designated second home to a house in his constituency, a property for which he claimed around £13,000 to cover stamp duty. It is also alleged that Gove claimed for a cot mattress, despite children's items being banned under the Commons rule. Gove said he would repay the claim for the cot mattress, but maintained that his other claims were "below the acceptable threshold costs for furniture".[47] Chris Grayling (Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Epsom & Ewell) – reportedly claimed to renovate a flat in London, despite already owning three properties inside the M25. Grayling is also said to have continued to claim for works on the property for up to a year after they had finished. Grayling defended his claims, saying he needed to have two homes in order to serve both his constituents and fulfil his duties in the Shadow Cabinet.[94] John Gummer (Former Cabinet Minister/Conservative, Suffolk Coastal) – claimed more than £9,000 for gardening. Gummer has yet to respond.[57] David Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative, Wells) – allegedly claimed for more than £380 of horse manure for his garden. Heathcoat-Amory responded only to confirm that such claims had indeed been made.[95] Douglas Hogg/Viscount Hailsham (Conservative, Sleaford and North Hykeham) – allegedly claimed £2,115 to have the moat at his country estate cleaned, as well as claiming for piano tuning and a gardener. Hogg emphatically denied the claims, saying: "I have never claimed for the moat, or for the piano tuning - the allegation that I did is incorrect. I never claimed for these and I never received any money."[96] Later, he responded to the newspaper's claims by saying he had agreed all claims with the fees office, and therefore hoped and believed that they would comply with the rules and the meaning of the rules.[97] Stewart Jackson (Shadow Communities Minister/Conservative, Peterborough) – reported to have claimed £11,000 in 'professional fees' and over £300 for maintaining the swimming pool at his home. When questioned, Jackson admitted that the swimming pool claim could be "construed as excessive" and as such would repay the money.[45] Bernard Jenkin (Conservative, North Essex) - was reported to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[98] Julie Kirkbride (Conservative, Bromsgrove) - was reported to have claimed, amongst other costs, over £1,000 per month in mortgage payments on an apartment in her constituency. She has stated that these claims are "a total distortion".[99] Kirkbride is reported to have claimed, jointly with her husband, MP Andrew Mackay, that the couple's two homes were both second homes, which were subsidised by taxpayers.[100] Andrew Lansley (Shadow Health Secretary/Conservative, South Cambridgeshire) – also accused of 'flipping' second homes after claiming in order to renovate a rural cottage prior to selling it. It is claimed that after he 'flipped' his second home designation to a London flat, he claimed thousands of pounds for furniture. Lansley responded to the claims by stating that his claims were "within the rules".[101] Oliver Letwin (Chairman of the Conservative Research Department & Policy Re_iew/Conservative, West Dorset) – reportedly claimed over £2,000 to replace a leaking pipe on the tennis courts at his constituency home. Letwin responded by saying that the work had to be carried out because he had been served with a statutory notice by the water company.[102] Andrew MacKay (Conservative, Bracknell) - resigned as parliamentary aide to David Cameron over what he described as "unacceptable" expenses claims made by him and his wife, Julie Kirkbride, a fellow MP.[103] David Maclean (Conservative, Penrith and The Border) - who introduced the 2007 Bill, spent more than £20,000 improving his farmhouse under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) before selling it for £750,000. He claimed the money by designating the property as his “second home” with the Commons authorities, yet Maclean did not pay capital gains tax on the sale because the taxman accepted it was his main home.[81] Francis Maude (Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office/Conservative, Horsham) – allegedly had a claim for mortgage interest rejected by the Fees Office. It is also suggested that Maude purchased a flat in London, close to a house he already owned, before claiming on the flat and renting out the house.[104] Sir Malcolm Rifkind KCMG (Former Foreign Secretary/Conservative, Kensington and Chelsea) - in 2008 he claimed £3,066 for flights to his home in Scotland despite representing Kensington and Chelsea which is only three tube stops away from the Houses of Parliament.[105] Sir Michael Spicer (Chairman of the 1922 Committee/Conservative, West Worcestershire) – said to have claimed for the costs of hanging a chandelier in his main manor house and £5,650 in nine months for his garden to be maintained, which included the cutting of a hedge into a helipad. Spicer responded by saying the helipad was a "family joke".[86] Anthony Steen (Conservative, Totnes) - claimed more than £87,000 over four years for maintenance and upkeep of his country home. Since the revelation in the Daily Telegraph, Steen has announced that he will not be standing at the next General Election. He also claimed on the BBC's The World at One radio programme that people were "jealous" because he has a "very, very large house".[106] Skogaholm Manor. Peter Viggers claimed compensation for a replica of the manor to be used as a duck house.Sir Peter Viggers (Conservative, Gosport) - said to have claimed £20,000 on gardening expenses and £1,645 for a 5 ft duck house,[107] made as a replica of Skogaholm Manor in Stockholm, Sweden.[108] Mystery surrounds the whereabouts of the £1,645 duck house after aerial photographs revealed it was no longer in its pond, but Viggers had sold the property and the new owners may have removed the house for reasons related to this story.[109] The duck house later resurfaced and was auctioned for charity, going on display at a business centre in Wolverhampton[110] Bill Wiggin (Conservative, Leominster) - said to have claimed mortgage interest on his constituency home even though the house had never had a mortgage on it.[107] David Willetts (Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary/Conservative, Havant) – allegedly claimed £100 for workmen to replace 25 light bulbs in his second home. Willetts said that a workman was required to replace the light bulbs because there was a fault in the system that "needed the attention of an electrician".[111] Brian Binley (Conservative, Northampton South) - claimed £57,000 over 3 years in rent in respect of a flat owned by a company of which he was chairman. Initially, the arrangement may have been permissible within the expenses rules. In April 2006 the rules were tightened specifically to bar MPs from paying rent to their own companies. The House of Commons fees office contacted Mr Binley to inform him that his arrangement was outside the rules but payments continued until early 2009 This one?" Yes, that one. | |||
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"digging the dirt; David Cameron, announced that all questionable claims by the Shadow Cabinet would be repaid, including those made by Michael Gove, Oliver Letwin, Francis Maude and Chris Grayling. Cameron himself repaid a £680 repair bill that included the clearing of wisteria from his chimney. Those claims and further revelations are listed below: Michael Ancram/The Marquess of Lothian (Conservative, Devizes) – said to have claimed on expenses for servicing of his swimming pool's boiler, as well as gardening, cleaning and a housekeeper at his constituency home. Ancram replied by agreeing to repay the £98 boiler servicing claim, but maintained that “none of the other items were extravagant or luxurious”.[87] James Arbuthnot (Conservative, North East Hampshire) – reported to have claimed for maintenance on the swimming pool at his constituency home, a claim that he accepted was "an error of judgment" and one which he would repay.[88] Gregory Barker (Shadow Energy & Climate Change Minister/Conservative, Bexhill & Battle) – sold a London flat which he had purchased using expenses for a profit of £327,000. Barker responded by saying the newspaper had failed to take into account the fact that he had invested a "significant amount" of his own money.[57][89] Bill Cash (Conservative, Stone) – it was reported on 28 May 2009 that Cash had claimed £15,000 which he then paid to his daughter, a prospective Conservative candidate, as rent for a Notting Hill flat, when he had a flat of his own a few miles away and closer to Westminster. Cash defended these expenses by claiming that it was done within the rules and that "It was only for a year".[90] David Davis (Former Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Haltemprice & Howden) – reportedly claimed in excess of £10,000 over four years for home improvements, including £5,700 for a portico at his Yorkshire house. Davis responded that his previous portico had sustained severe water damage, necessitating the building of a new one.[91] Jonathan Djanogly (Shadow Business Minister & Shadow Solicitor General/Conservative, Huntingdon) - claimed £5,000 for security gates on his constituency home as well as £13,962 for cleaning expenses and a further £12,951 for gardening costs. Djanogly commented that "The automatic gates are integrated with a CCTV system which I installed with police advice after I had security threats following from my representation of constituents' interests at Huntingdon Life Sciences."[92] Alan Duncan (Shadow Leader of the House/Conservative, Rutland and Melton) – claimed more than £4,000 over a three-year period in expenses for gardening costs until he agreed with the Commons Fees Office that such claims "could be considered excessive" and stopped. Duncan quickly responded by suggesting that the reports in the Telegraph were "misleading", and that all his claims were "legitimate and approved by the fees office".[93] Cheryl Gillan (Shadow Welsh Secretary/Conservative, Chesham and Amersham) – claimed on expenses for £4.47 worth of pet food. Gillan confirmed that dog food had been mistakenly included in a claim, and that she would pay the relevant amount back to the Commons.[55] Michael Gove (Shadow Children, Schools & Families Secretary/Conservative, Surrey Heath) – claimed £7,000 for furnishing a London property before "flipping" his designated second home to a house in his constituency, a property for which he claimed around £13,000 to cover stamp duty. It is also alleged that Gove claimed for a cot mattress, despite children's items being banned under the Commons rule. Gove said he would repay the claim for the cot mattress, but maintained that his other claims were "below the acceptable threshold costs for furniture".[47] Chris Grayling (Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Epsom & Ewell) – reportedly claimed to renovate a flat in London, despite already owning three properties inside the M25. Grayling is also said to have continued to claim for works on the property for up to a year after they had finished. Grayling defended his claims, saying he needed to have two homes in order to serve both his constituents and fulfil his duties in the Shadow Cabinet.[94] John Gummer (Former Cabinet Minister/Conservative, Suffolk Coastal) – claimed more than £9,000 for gardening. Gummer has yet to respond.[57] David Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative, Wells) – allegedly claimed for more than £380 of horse manure for his garden. Heathcoat-Amory responded only to confirm that such claims had indeed been made.[95] Douglas Hogg/Viscount Hailsham (Conservative, Sleaford and North Hykeham) – allegedly claimed £2,115 to have the moat at his country estate cleaned, as well as claiming for piano tuning and a gardener. Hogg emphatically denied the claims, saying: "I have never claimed for the moat, or for the piano tuning - the allegation that I did is incorrect. I never claimed for these and I never received any money."[96] Later, he responded to the newspaper's claims by saying he had agreed all claims with the fees office, and therefore hoped and believed that they would comply with the rules and the meaning of the rules.[97] Stewart Jackson (Shadow Communities Minister/Conservative, Peterborough) – reported to have claimed £11,000 in 'professional fees' and over £300 for maintaining the swimming pool at his home. When questioned, Jackson admitted that the swimming pool claim could be "construed as excessive" and as such would repay the money.[45] Bernard Jenkin (Conservative, North Essex) - was reported to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[98] Julie Kirkbride (Conservative, Bromsgrove) - was reported to have claimed, amongst other costs, over £1,000 per month in mortgage payments on an apartment in her constituency. She has stated that these claims are "a total distortion".[99] Kirkbride is reported to have claimed, jointly with her husband, MP Andrew Mackay, that the couple's two homes were both second homes, which were subsidised by taxpayers.[100] Andrew Lansley (Shadow Health Secretary/Conservative, South Cambridgeshire) – also accused of 'flipping' second homes after claiming in order to renovate a rural cottage prior to selling it. It is claimed that after he 'flipped' his second home designation to a London flat, he claimed thousands of pounds for furniture. Lansley responded to the claims by stating that his claims were "within the rules".[101] Oliver Letwin (Chairman of the Conservative Research Department & Policy Re_iew/Conservative, West Dorset) – reportedly claimed over £2,000 to replace a leaking pipe on the tennis courts at his constituency home. Letwin responded by saying that the work had to be carried out because he had been served with a statutory notice by the water company.[102] Andrew MacKay (Conservative, Bracknell) - resigned as parliamentary aide to David Cameron over what he described as "unacceptable" expenses claims made by him and his wife, Julie Kirkbride, a fellow MP.[103] David Maclean (Conservative, Penrith and The Border) - who introduced the 2007 Bill, spent more than £20,000 improving his farmhouse under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) before selling it for £750,000. He claimed the money by designating the property as his “second home” with the Commons authorities, yet Maclean did not pay capital gains tax on the sale because the taxman accepted it was his main home.[81] Francis Maude (Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office/Conservative, Horsham) – allegedly had a claim for mortgage interest rejected by the Fees Office. It is also suggested that Maude purchased a flat in London, close to a house he already owned, before claiming on the flat and renting out the house.[104] Sir Malcolm Rifkind KCMG (Former Foreign Secretary/Conservative, Kensington and Chelsea) - in 2008 he claimed £3,066 for flights to his home in Scotland despite representing Kensington and Chelsea which is only three tube stops away from the Houses of Parliament.[105] Sir Michael Spicer (Chairman of the 1922 Committee/Conservative, West Worcestershire) – said to have claimed for the costs of hanging a chandelier in his main manor house and £5,650 in nine months for his garden to be maintained, which included the cutting of a hedge into a helipad. Spicer responded by saying the helipad was a "family joke".[86] Anthony Steen (Conservative, Totnes) - claimed more than £87,000 over four years for maintenance and upkeep of his country home. Since the revelation in the Daily Telegraph, Steen has announced that he will not be standing at the next General Election. He also claimed on the BBC's The World at One radio programme that people were "jealous" because he has a "very, very large house".[106] Skogaholm Manor. Peter Viggers claimed compensation for a replica of the manor to be used as a duck house.Sir Peter Viggers (Conservative, Gosport) - said to have claimed £20,000 on gardening expenses and £1,645 for a 5 ft duck house,[107] made as a replica of Skogaholm Manor in Stockholm, Sweden.[108] Mystery surrounds the whereabouts of the £1,645 duck house after aerial photographs revealed it was no longer in its pond, but Viggers had sold the property and the new owners may have removed the house for reasons related to this story.[109] The duck house later resurfaced and was auctioned for charity, going on display at a business centre in Wolverhampton[110] Bill Wiggin (Conservative, Leominster) - said to have claimed mortgage interest on his constituency home even though the house had never had a mortgage on it.[107] David Willetts (Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary/Conservative, Havant) – allegedly claimed £100 for workmen to replace 25 light bulbs in his second home. Willetts said that a workman was required to replace the light bulbs because there was a fault in the system that "needed the attention of an electrician".[111] Brian Binley (Conservative, Northampton South) - claimed £57,000 over 3 years in rent in respect of a flat owned by a company of which he was chairman. Initially, the arrangement may have been permissible within the expenses rules. In April 2006 the rules were tightened specifically to bar MPs from paying rent to their own companies. The House of Commons fees office contacted Mr Binley to inform him that his arrangement was outside the rules but payments continued until early 2009 This one?" Yes. | |||
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"digging the dirt; David Cameron, announced that all questionable claims by the Shadow Cabinet would be repaid, including those made by Michael Gove, Oliver Letwin, Francis Maude and Chris Grayling. Cameron himself repaid a £680 repair bill that included the clearing of wisteria from his chimney. Those claims and further revelations are listed below: Michael Ancram/The Marquess of Lothian (Conservative, Devizes) – said to have claimed on expenses for servicing of his swimming pool's boiler, as well as gardening, cleaning and a housekeeper at his constituency home. Ancram replied by agreeing to repay the £98 boiler servicing claim, but maintained that “none of the other items were extravagant or luxurious”.[87] James Arbuthnot (Conservative, North East Hampshire) – reported to have claimed for maintenance on the swimming pool at his constituency home, a claim that he accepted was "an error of judgment" and one which he would repay.[88] Gregory Barker (Shadow Energy & Climate Change Minister/Conservative, Bexhill & Battle) – sold a London flat which he had purchased using expenses for a profit of £327,000. Barker responded by saying the newspaper had failed to take into account the fact that he had invested a "significant amount" of his own money.[57][89] Bill Cash (Conservative, Stone) – it was reported on 28 May 2009 that Cash had claimed £15,000 which he then paid to his daughter, a prospective Conservative candidate, as rent for a Notting Hill flat, when he had a flat of his own a few miles away and closer to Westminster. Cash defended these expenses by claiming that it was done within the rules and that "It was only for a year".[90] David Davis (Former Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Haltemprice & Howden) – reportedly claimed in excess of £10,000 over four years for home improvements, including £5,700 for a portico at his Yorkshire house. Davis responded that his previous portico had sustained severe water damage, necessitating the building of a new one.[91] Jonathan Djanogly (Shadow Business Minister & Shadow Solicitor General/Conservative, Huntingdon) - claimed £5,000 for security gates on his constituency home as well as £13,962 for cleaning expenses and a further £12,951 for gardening costs. Djanogly commented that "The automatic gates are integrated with a CCTV system which I installed with police advice after I had security threats following from my representation of constituents' interests at Huntingdon Life Sciences."[92] Alan Duncan (Shadow Leader of the House/Conservative, Rutland and Melton) – claimed more than £4,000 over a three-year period in expenses for gardening costs until he agreed with the Commons Fees Office that such claims "could be considered excessive" and stopped. Duncan quickly responded by suggesting that the reports in the Telegraph were "misleading", and that all his claims were "legitimate and approved by the fees office".[93] Cheryl Gillan (Shadow Welsh Secretary/Conservative, Chesham and Amersham) – claimed on expenses for £4.47 worth of pet food. Gillan confirmed that dog food had been mistakenly included in a claim, and that she would pay the relevant amount back to the Commons.[55] Michael Gove (Shadow Children, Schools & Families Secretary/Conservative, Surrey Heath) – claimed £7,000 for furnishing a London property before "flipping" his designated second home to a house in his constituency, a property for which he claimed around £13,000 to cover stamp duty. It is also alleged that Gove claimed for a cot mattress, despite children's items being banned under the Commons rule. Gove said he would repay the claim for the cot mattress, but maintained that his other claims were "below the acceptable threshold costs for furniture".[47] Chris Grayling (Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Epsom & Ewell) – reportedly claimed to renovate a flat in London, despite already owning three properties inside the M25. Grayling is also said to have continued to claim for works on the property for up to a year after they had finished. Grayling defended his claims, saying he needed to have two homes in order to serve both his constituents and fulfil his duties in the Shadow Cabinet.[94] John Gummer (Former Cabinet Minister/Conservative, Suffolk Coastal) – claimed more than £9,000 for gardening. Gummer has yet to respond.[57] David Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative, Wells) – allegedly claimed for more than £380 of horse manure for his garden. Heathcoat-Amory responded only to confirm that such claims had indeed been made.[95] Douglas Hogg/Viscount Hailsham (Conservative, Sleaford and North Hykeham) – allegedly claimed £2,115 to have the moat at his country estate cleaned, as well as claiming for piano tuning and a gardener. Hogg emphatically denied the claims, saying: "I have never claimed for the moat, or for the piano tuning - the allegation that I did is incorrect. I never claimed for these and I never received any money."[96] Later, he responded to the newspaper's claims by saying he had agreed all claims with the fees office, and therefore hoped and believed that they would comply with the rules and the meaning of the rules.[97] Stewart Jackson (Shadow Communities Minister/Conservative, Peterborough) – reported to have claimed £11,000 in 'professional fees' and over £300 for maintaining the swimming pool at his home. When questioned, Jackson admitted that the swimming pool claim could be "construed as excessive" and as such would repay the money.[45] Bernard Jenkin (Conservative, North Essex) - was reported to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[98] Julie Kirkbride (Conservative, Bromsgrove) - was reported to have claimed, amongst other costs, over £1,000 per month in mortgage payments on an apartment in her constituency. She has stated that these claims are "a total distortion".[99] Kirkbride is reported to have claimed, jointly with her husband, MP Andrew Mackay, that the couple's two homes were both second homes, which were subsidised by taxpayers.[100] Andrew Lansley (Shadow Health Secretary/Conservative, South Cambridgeshire) – also accused of 'flipping' second homes after claiming in order to renovate a rural cottage prior to selling it. It is claimed that after he 'flipped' his second home designation to a London flat, he claimed thousands of pounds for furniture. Lansley responded to the claims by stating that his claims were "within the rules".[101] Oliver Letwin (Chairman of the Conservative Research Department & Policy Re_iew/Conservative, West Dorset) – reportedly claimed over £2,000 to replace a leaking pipe on the tennis courts at his constituency home. Letwin responded by saying that the work had to be carried out because he had been served with a statutory notice by the water company.[102] Andrew MacKay (Conservative, Bracknell) - resigned as parliamentary aide to David Cameron over what he described as "unacceptable" expenses claims made by him and his wife, Julie Kirkbride, a fellow MP.[103] David Maclean (Conservative, Penrith and The Border) - who introduced the 2007 Bill, spent more than £20,000 improving his farmhouse under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) before selling it for £750,000. He claimed the money by designating the property as his “second home” with the Commons authorities, yet Maclean did not pay capital gains tax on the sale because the taxman accepted it was his main home.[81] Francis Maude (Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office/Conservative, Horsham) – allegedly had a claim for mortgage interest rejected by the Fees Office. It is also suggested that Maude purchased a flat in London, close to a house he already owned, before claiming on the flat and renting out the house.[104] Sir Malcolm Rifkind KCMG (Former Foreign Secretary/Conservative, Kensington and Chelsea) - in 2008 he claimed £3,066 for flights to his home in Scotland despite representing Kensington and Chelsea which is only three tube stops away from the Houses of Parliament.[105] Sir Michael Spicer (Chairman of the 1922 Committee/Conservative, West Worcestershire) – said to have claimed for the costs of hanging a chandelier in his main manor house and £5,650 in nine months for his garden to be maintained, which included the cutting of a hedge into a helipad. Spicer responded by saying the helipad was a "family joke".[86] Anthony Steen (Conservative, Totnes) - claimed more than £87,000 over four years for maintenance and upkeep of his country home. Since the revelation in the Daily Telegraph, Steen has announced that he will not be standing at the next General Election. He also claimed on the BBC's The World at One radio programme that people were "jealous" because he has a "very, very large house".[106] Skogaholm Manor. Peter Viggers claimed compensation for a replica of the manor to be used as a duck house.Sir Peter Viggers (Conservative, Gosport) - said to have claimed £20,000 on gardening expenses and £1,645 for a 5 ft duck house,[107] made as a replica of Skogaholm Manor in Stockholm, Sweden.[108] Mystery surrounds the whereabouts of the £1,645 duck house after aerial photographs revealed it was no longer in its pond, but Viggers had sold the property and the new owners may have removed the house for reasons related to this story.[109] The duck house later resurfaced and was auctioned for charity, going on display at a business centre in Wolverhampton[110] Bill Wiggin (Conservative, Leominster) - said to have claimed mortgage interest on his constituency home even though the house had never had a mortgage on it.[107] David Willetts (Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary/Conservative, Havant) – allegedly claimed £100 for workmen to replace 25 light bulbs in his second home. Willetts said that a workman was required to replace the light bulbs because there was a fault in the system that "needed the attention of an electrician".[111] Brian Binley (Conservative, Northampton South) - claimed £57,000 over 3 years in rent in respect of a flat owned by a company of which he was chairman. Initially, the arrangement may have been permissible within the expenses rules. In April 2006 the rules were tightened specifically to bar MPs from paying rent to their own companies. The House of Commons fees office contacted Mr Binley to inform him that his arrangement was outside the rules but payments continued until early 2009 This one? Yes. " Are you sure? | |||
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"You know who would have some very interesting books to peruse. And this isn't about political bias or point scoring. That Tony Blair chap. " you mean the War Criminal | |||
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"sorry folks, it was just to show that its not only Cameron that is corrupt in the conservatives " People are well aware of that. It will be interesting after Cameron is through the wringer, when the journos start going after Osborne and the rest of them with the same zeal. There are going to be a lot of very red faces. | |||
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"You know who would have some very interesting books to peruse. And this isn't about political bias or point scoring. That Tony Blair chap. " I hope he comes up on the Panama list very soon. | |||
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"sorry folks, it was just to show that its not only Cameron that is corrupt in the conservatives " And in the interest of balance and showing that it's not only the conservatives who are corrupt are you going to list all the labour and other politicians who were also caught up in the expenses scandal? | |||
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"sorry folks, it was just to show that its not only Cameron that is corrupt in the conservatives And in the interest of balance and showing that it's not only the conservatives who are corrupt are you going to list all the labour and other politicians who were also caught up in the expenses scandal?" nope, will leave that to you I have no interest, im a Scot, and we have a party in power that looks after Scotland have a nice day | |||
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"sorry folks, it was just to show that its not only Cameron that is corrupt in the conservatives People are well aware of that. It will be interesting after Cameron is through the wringer, when the journos start going after Osborne and the rest of them with the same zeal. There are going to be a lot of very red faces." And Benn and Miliband and Livingston et al | |||
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"sorry folks, it was just to show that its not only Cameron that is corrupt in the conservatives And in the interest of balance and showing that it's not only the conservatives who are corrupt are you going to list all the labour and other politicians who were also caught up in the expenses scandal? nope, will leave that to you I have no interest, im a Scot, and we have a party in power that looks after Scotland have a nice day " Lol so why are you so bothered about the conservatives then? | |||
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"sorry folks, it was just to show that its not only Cameron that is corrupt in the conservatives And in the interest of balance and showing that it's not only the conservatives who are corrupt are you going to list all the labour and other politicians who were also caught up in the expenses scandal? nope, will leave that to you I have no interest, im a Scot, and we have a party in power that looks after Scotland have a nice day Lol so why are you so bothered about the conservatives then? " because I suspect it pisses you off | |||
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" I like him are you trolling or can you elaborate?" View is not trolling. He never does. If you stalk, sorry, look back on his posts, his '_iews' have been consistent in all of his opinions. | |||
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"digging the dirt; David Cameron, announced that all questionable claims by the Shadow Cabinet would be repaid, including those made by Michael Gove, Oliver Letwin, Francis Maude and Chris Grayling. Cameron himself repaid a £680 repair bill that included the clearing of wisteria from his chimney. Those claims and further revelations are listed below: Michael Ancram/The Marquess of Lothian (Conservative, Devizes) – said to have claimed on expenses for servicing of his swimming pool's boiler, as well as gardening, cleaning and a housekeeper at his constituency home. Ancram replied by agreeing to repay the £98 boiler servicing claim, but maintained that “none of the other items were extravagant or luxurious”.[87] James Arbuthnot (Conservative, North East Hampshire) – reported to have claimed for maintenance on the swimming pool at his constituency home, a claim that he accepted was "an error of judgment" and one which he would repay.[88] Gregory Barker (Shadow Energy & Climate Change Minister/Conservative, Bexhill & Battle) – sold a London flat which he had purchased using expenses for a profit of £327,000. Barker responded by saying the newspaper had failed to take into account the fact that he had invested a "significant amount" of his own money.[57][89] Bill Cash (Conservative, Stone) – it was reported on 28 May 2009 that Cash had claimed £15,000 which he then paid to his daughter, a prospective Conservative candidate, as rent for a Notting Hill flat, when he had a flat of his own a few miles away and closer to Westminster. Cash defended these expenses by claiming that it was done within the rules and that "It was only for a year".[90] David Davis (Former Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Haltemprice & Howden) – reportedly claimed in excess of £10,000 over four years for home improvements, including £5,700 for a portico at his Yorkshire house. Davis responded that his previous portico had sustained severe water damage, necessitating the building of a new one.[91] Jonathan Djanogly (Shadow Business Minister & Shadow Solicitor General/Conservative, Huntingdon) - claimed £5,000 for security gates on his constituency home as well as £13,962 for cleaning expenses and a further £12,951 for gardening costs. Djanogly commented that "The automatic gates are integrated with a CCTV system which I installed with police advice after I had security threats following from my representation of constituents' interests at Huntingdon Life Sciences."[92] Alan Duncan (Shadow Leader of the House/Conservative, Rutland and Melton) – claimed more than £4,000 over a three-year period in expenses for gardening costs until he agreed with the Commons Fees Office that such claims "could be considered excessive" and stopped. Duncan quickly responded by suggesting that the reports in the Telegraph were "misleading", and that all his claims were "legitimate and approved by the fees office".[93] Cheryl Gillan (Shadow Welsh Secretary/Conservative, Chesham and Amersham) – claimed on expenses for £4.47 worth of pet food. Gillan confirmed that dog food had been mistakenly included in a claim, and that she would pay the relevant amount back to the Commons.[55] Michael Gove (Shadow Children, Schools & Families Secretary/Conservative, Surrey Heath) – claimed £7,000 for furnishing a London property before "flipping" his designated second home to a house in his constituency, a property for which he claimed around £13,000 to cover stamp duty. It is also alleged that Gove claimed for a cot mattress, despite children's items being banned under the Commons rule. Gove said he would repay the claim for the cot mattress, but maintained that his other claims were "below the acceptable threshold costs for furniture".[47] Chris Grayling (Shadow Home Secretary/Conservative, Epsom & Ewell) – reportedly claimed to renovate a flat in London, despite already owning three properties inside the M25. Grayling is also said to have continued to claim for works on the property for up to a year after they had finished. Grayling defended his claims, saying he needed to have two homes in order to serve both his constituents and fulfil his duties in the Shadow Cabinet.[94] John Gummer (Former Cabinet Minister/Conservative, Suffolk Coastal) – claimed more than £9,000 for gardening. Gummer has yet to respond.[57] David Heathcoat-Amory (Conservative, Wells) – allegedly claimed for more than £380 of horse manure for his garden. Heathcoat-Amory responded only to confirm that such claims had indeed been made.[95] Douglas Hogg/Viscount Hailsham (Conservative, Sleaford and North Hykeham) – allegedly claimed £2,115 to have the moat at his country estate cleaned, as well as claiming for piano tuning and a gardener. Hogg emphatically denied the claims, saying: "I have never claimed for the moat, or for the piano tuning - the allegation that I did is incorrect. I never claimed for these and I never received any money."[96] Later, he responded to the newspaper's claims by saying he had agreed all claims with the fees office, and therefore hoped and believed that they would comply with the rules and the meaning of the rules.[97] Stewart Jackson (Shadow Communities Minister/Conservative, Peterborough) – reported to have claimed £11,000 in 'professional fees' and over £300 for maintaining the swimming pool at his home. When questioned, Jackson admitted that the swimming pool claim could be "construed as excessive" and as such would repay the money.[45] Bernard Jenkin (Conservative, North Essex) - was reported to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was paying "an honest and reasonable rent" for the property.[98] Julie Kirkbride (Conservative, Bromsgrove) - was reported to have claimed, amongst other costs, over £1,000 per month in mortgage payments on an apartment in her constituency. She has stated that these claims are "a total distortion".[99] Kirkbride is reported to have claimed, jointly with her husband, MP Andrew Mackay, that the couple's two homes were both second homes, which were subsidised by taxpayers.[100] Andrew Lansley (Shadow Health Secretary/Conservative, South Cambridgeshire) – also accused of 'flipping' second homes after claiming in order to renovate a rural cottage prior to selling it. It is claimed that after he 'flipped' his second home designation to a London flat, he claimed thousands of pounds for furniture. Lansley responded to the claims by stating that his claims were "within the rules".[101] Oliver Letwin (Chairman of the Conservative Research Department & Policy Re_iew/Conservative, West Dorset) – reportedly claimed over £2,000 to replace a leaking pipe on the tennis courts at his constituency home. Letwin responded by saying that the work had to be carried out because he had been served with a statutory notice by the water company.[102] Andrew MacKay (Conservative, Bracknell) - resigned as parliamentary aide to David Cameron over what he described as "unacceptable" expenses claims made by him and his wife, Julie Kirkbride, a fellow MP.[103] David Maclean (Conservative, Penrith and The Border) - who introduced the 2007 Bill, spent more than £20,000 improving his farmhouse under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) before selling it for £750,000. He claimed the money by designating the property as his “second home” with the Commons authorities, yet Maclean did not pay capital gains tax on the sale because the taxman accepted it was his main home.[81] Francis Maude (Shadow Minister for the Cabinet Office/Conservative, Horsham) – allegedly had a claim for mortgage interest rejected by the Fees Office. It is also suggested that Maude purchased a flat in London, close to a house he already owned, before claiming on the flat and renting out the house.[104] Sir Malcolm Rifkind KCMG (Former Foreign Secretary/Conservative, Kensington and Chelsea) - in 2008 he claimed £3,066 for flights to his home in Scotland despite representing Kensington and Chelsea which is only three tube stops away from the Houses of Parliament.[105] Sir Michael Spicer (Chairman of the 1922 Committee/Conservative, West Worcestershire) – said to have claimed for the costs of hanging a chandelier in his main manor house and £5,650 in nine months for his garden to be maintained, which included the cutting of a hedge into a helipad. Spicer responded by saying the helipad was a "family joke".[86] Anthony Steen (Conservative, Totnes) - claimed more than £87,000 over four years for maintenance and upkeep of his country home. Since the revelation in the Daily Telegraph, Steen has announced that he will not be standing at the next General Election. He also claimed on the BBC's The World at One radio programme that people were "jealous" because he has a "very, very large house".[106] Skogaholm Manor. Peter Viggers claimed compensation for a replica of the manor to be used as a duck house.Sir Peter Viggers (Conservative, Gosport) - said to have claimed £20,000 on gardening expenses and £1,645 for a 5 ft duck house,[107] made as a replica of Skogaholm Manor in Stockholm, Sweden.[108] Mystery surrounds the whereabouts of the £1,645 duck house after aerial photographs revealed it was no longer in its pond, but Viggers had sold the property and the new owners may have removed the house for reasons related to this story.[109] The duck house later resurfaced and was auctioned for charity, going on display at a business centre in Wolverhampton[110] Bill Wiggin (Conservative, Leominster) - said to have claimed mortgage interest on his constituency home even though the house had never had a mortgage on it.[107] David Willetts (Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary/Conservative, Havant) – allegedly claimed £100 for workmen to replace 25 light bulbs in his second home. Willetts said that a workman was required to replace the light bulbs because there was a fault in the system that "needed the attention of an electrician".[111] Brian Binley (Conservative, Northampton South) - claimed £57,000 over 3 years in rent in respect of a flat owned by a company of which he was chairman. Initially, the arrangement may have been permissible within the expenses rules. In April 2006 the rules were tightened specifically to bar MPs from paying rent to their own companies. The House of Commons fees office contacted Mr Binley to inform him that his arrangement was outside the rules but payments continued until early 2009 " . Are any of these transactions illegal?. If there were , the claims would either be rejected or the claimant prosecuted . | |||
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"sorry folks, it was just to show that its not only Cameron that is corrupt in the conservatives People are well aware of that. It will be interesting after Cameron is through the wringer, when the journos start going after Osborne and the rest of them with the same zeal. There are going to be a lot of very red faces. And Benn and Miliband and Livingston et al Ken Livingstone will be very safe, they'll get nothing on him. I would relish Hilary Benn and Ed Miliband getting screwed over by this, although I doubt either is of enough interest to the press these days. Of course as Corbyn and McDonnell are spotless, it won't be anywhere near as damaging to the party, whoever they manage to get." | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn? He's said he's releasing it soon. There's not much interest in it though as he is notoriously clean. Both Corbyn and McDonnell are supporting moves to make all MPs tax affairs completely transparent." You mean he's not releasing it straight away ? Why not? | |||
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" I have no interest, im a Scot, and we have a party in power that looks after Scotland have a nice day " They don't look after Scotland. They are more concerned with causing as much greivance as possible, like a spoilt child, hoping to get their way. Now they have a whole range of new powers after calling for them for years and yet they are too afraid to actually use them. Similar to their promise to scrap the 'unfair council tax' and then bottling it. Thankfully they will be found out over the term of the next parliament. | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn?" Corbyn wouldn't even accept a new bike or Shell suit. No dirt will be found in that respect. | |||
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"Regardless of the problem, blame the government! That's what all the cool kids do. or move to Scotland for a better way of living" Lots of the U.K. is great. Westminster isn't exactly in our back yard for most of us, so we just get on with life - regardless of the goings on of the politicians. Or inspite of them perhaps ? | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn? He's said he's releasing it soon. There's not much interest in it though as he is notoriously clean. Both Corbyn and McDonnell are supporting moves to make all MPs tax affairs completely transparent. You mean he's not releasing it straight away ? Why not? " At a guess, I would think he is being politically savvy about things and not wanting, quite wisely, to take any attention away from the fact that David Cameron hasn't published his full tax returns yet. Corbyn's priority is to keep the pressure on Cameron. He'll publish his own returns when necessary, not before. It's worth remembering that he is not under any suspicion here, so he has no pressure to publish. | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn? He's said he's releasing it soon. There's not much interest in it though as he is notoriously clean. Both Corbyn and McDonnell are supporting moves to make all MPs tax affairs completely transparent. You mean he's not releasing it straight away ? Why not? " Look at what I wrote above. | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn? He's said he's releasing it soon. There's not much interest in it though as he is notoriously clean. Both Corbyn and McDonnell are supporting moves to make all MPs tax affairs completely transparent. You mean he's not releasing it straight away ? Why not? Look at what I wrote above. " Aye! And my question is why is he not releasing it straight away - I mean how much time does he need to release something that he will have to hand right now ! What's "soon"? A few days? A week? - why not now! | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn? Corbyn wouldn't even accept a new bike or Shell suit. No dirt will be found in that respect." Exactly why i don't want him running the country. | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn? He's said he's releasing it soon. There's not much interest in it though as he is notoriously clean. Both Corbyn and McDonnell are supporting moves to make all MPs tax affairs completely transparent. You mean he's not releasing it straight away ? Why not? Look at what I wrote above. Aye! And my question is why is he not releasing it straight away - I mean how much time does he need to release something that he will have to hand right now ! What's "soon"? A few days? A week? - why not now! " Why should he? No-one suspects him of being a crook - unlike Prime Minister David Cameron, who has personally intervened to make Offshore Trusts less transparent. | |||
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"When are we going to see the tax return for Corbyn? He's said he's releasing it soon. There's not much interest in it though as he is notoriously clean. Both Corbyn and McDonnell are supporting moves to make all MPs tax affairs completely transparent. You mean he's not releasing it straight away ? Why not? At a guess, I would think he is being politically savvy about things and not wanting, quite wisely, to take any attention away from the fact that David Cameron hasn't published his full tax returns yet. Corbyn's priority is to keep the pressure on Cameron. He'll publish his own returns when necessary, not before. It's worth remembering that he is not under any suspicion here, so he has no pressure to publish." By publishing a squeaky clean tax return quickly he would keep the pressure on Cameron | |||
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" At least we can close the thread all in agreement that David Cameron is not the most crooked member of a crooked government...just one of the most crooked. Greasy Dave " Crooked for paying a chunk of tax !! Seriously! | |||
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