FabSwingers.com forum: Maddie Mcaan

By *eavenNhell OP Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

so in this time of Austerity our ever frugal home secratery has found £95k to pay for another six months of scotland yard wasting there time finding out the bleeding obvious shes dead ffs

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

Devon & Cornwall are still investigating a murder of a teenage newspaper girl who is still is listed as "missing" but whom they believe was killed by a known child serial killer who died in prison a few months ago!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

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By *eavenNhell OP Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Devon & Cornwall are still investigating a murder of a teenage newspaper girl who is still is listed as "missing" but whom they believe was killed by a known child serial killer who died in prison a few months ago!"
file sent to CPS yesterday showing wealth of evedance that he was indeed the perpetrator but he died before they could charge him according to the news

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By *iscean MaleMan
over a year ago

Darlaston

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be. "

Agree. Parents are a gisgrace going out on the piss leaving kids at home alone. Evil and selfish they are in my opinion. Ok if kids are a bit older parents may pop out to the local for a quick one but not the age she was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them! "

That too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so in this time of Austerity our ever frugal home secratery has found £95k to pay for another six months of scotland yard wasting there time finding out the bleeding obvious shes dead ffs "

I'd still want to know what happened to my child. But then again I'd never have left my kid alone whilst I got pissed across the road.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular."

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

all very sad, I do hope one day they find her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My parents used to live in the same village as the mcanns, they were known for going to dinner parties and leaving the kids home alone, Mrs was often seen out jogging when Mr was at work and the kids were home.

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself."
I did, so what about it?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My parents used to live in the same village as the mcanns, they were known for going to dinner parties and leaving the kids home alone, Mrs was often seen out jogging when Mr was at work and the kids were home.

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids"

I think they sedated her and killed her by accident n the lies have just got too much now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I pity the family in many ways. I'm glad money is still being spent to find her. I would not begrudge the search a penny. Same with Ben Needham.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I pity the family in many ways. I'm glad money is still being spent to find her. I would not begrudge the search a penny. Same with Ben Needham.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£12m spent thus far.

Let's hope the truth will come out eventually and the person/s guilty burn in hell.

Such a bonnie looking angel, a very sad way to be remembered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know, I'll make up some spurious bullshit and post it on the Web, or repost something which has no basis on fact or anything at all and therefore it's got to be true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But for Maddy - doesn't she deserve a decent burial place ? Considering that, if she's dead, as we all believe. She met A tragic end.

And don't we need to know what happened if possible? If her parents were involved or there is someone else still at large or perpetrated the crime?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids"

did they report them when they spoke of this.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pity the family in many ways. I'm glad money is still being spent to find her. I would not begrudge the search a penny. Same with Ben Needham.

And Keith Bennett who still hasn't been found. Murdered by Myra Hindley and Ian Brady.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know, I'll make up some spurious bullshit and post it on the Web, or repost something which has no basis on fact or anything at all and therefore it's got to be true

Are you saying they didnt leave their kids alone whilst they went out ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What most people don;t realise is that British police have no jurisdiction to investigate a crime overseas. The exception to this is when both the victim and perpetrator (or believed perpetrator) are British nationals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

did they report them when they spoke of this....."

No of course they didn't

And being popular opinion is just a euphemism for something that someone said down the pub

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'm glad there is an unlimited budget. I don't think they are good parents though because they left her alone as they went out for a meal and drink. I don't think she is alive. I think the parents will never be happy again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, the police inquiries did show that they didn't have nannies or babysitters and yes they are aware that they attended dinner parties etc - enquiries into nannies and babysitters are standard when investigating missing children

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By *andaCouple
over a year ago

co down

So much about it doesn't make sense in my opinion. Why they left the child alone, why they refused to answer police questions in the immediate aftermath, why they went to court and used money from the maddie fund to stop the retired police inspectors book being published.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is still a process to go throught, particularly in the absence of a body not least so that she can be legally considered to be dead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pity the family in many ways. I'm glad money is still being spent to find her. I would not begrudge the search a penny. Same with Ben Needham.

And Keith Bennett who still hasn't been found. Murdered by Myra Hindley and Ian Brady."

Yeah I remember seeing his Mum on TV heartbreaking that she went to her grave without finding him. Whilst not at all a positive at least she knew he was dead.

Some evil bastards in this world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

did they report them when they spoke of this.....

No of course they didn't

And being popular opinion is just a euphemism for something that someone said down the pub

Maybe the popular opinion regarding sedating however the fact that they attended dinner parties etc and have never engaged nannies or baby sitters is fact not speculation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.I did, so what about it?."
Let me rephrase it, it was all a popularity stunt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maddie does deserve justice and a propper burial if she is dead. If the parents are to blame they should be finded big time and lose the royalties from there books.

My bro n his wife both have high powered jobs that nessasatate a nanny even though my bro has an office on his grounds that he works from when he isn't needed in London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids"

Are we talking proper sedation or over the counter Phenergan. Because there are a shit load of parents that have used that & continue to do so, in the name of allergies of course......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them! "

i'd like to think it's because loosing one child was punishment enough.

but they have enough money and influence to fight the system so i'm skeptical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

Are we talking proper sedation or over the counter Phenergan. Because there are a shit load of parents that have used that & continue to do so, in the name of allergies of course......

Its only speculation regarding sedating them although given their positions they both have access to prescription meds

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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago

Southampton

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them! "

If they had been people who weren't Dr's, I think they would have had their children taken from them and questioned more fully

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be. "

Yeah because the abduction of their young daughter and subsequent years of torment isn't enough punishment! Christ! Have a heart people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.I did, so what about it?.Let me rephrase it, it was all a popularity stunt."

popular?? blimey!

bet they are so pleased they are now popular for being known as the people who left their kids home alone whilst they were out enjoying themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.I did, so what about it?.Let me rephrase it, it was all a popularity stunt.

popular?? blimey!

bet they are so pleased they are now popular for being known as the people who left their kids home alone whilst they were out enjoying themselves

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That's right, althought they didn't plan for that as they thought they had the perfect plan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I don't think we will ever find out what happened to that poor little girl, but I don't believe here parents are guilty of anything more than making a truly appalling decision in leaving their children alone in the villa. I'm sure their actions haunt them and will haunt the mall their days but they have other children who need them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them! "

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

Are we talking proper sedation or over the counter Phenergan. Because there are a shit load of parents that have used that & continue to do so, in the name of allergies of course......

Its only speculation regarding sedating them although given their positions they both have access to prescription meds"

All drugs and prescriptions have to be accounted for, you can't just dip your hands in jars like smarties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know, I'll make up some spurious bullshit and post it on the Web, or repost something which has no basis on fact or anything at all and therefore it's got to be true

Are you saying they didnt leave their kids alone whilst they went out ?"

No, of course not, but I'm also not saying that they drugged their own children, or even murdered Maddie, or any of the bs that's already been said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a human being I would like to give them the benefit of doubt that they are innocent.

As a parent I think what they did was unforgivable, leaving the children home alone like that.

But I certain that no matter what nasty words we use will ever hurt them as much as losing their own child.

Be it at their hands or by the hands of another.

They will have to live with the guilt till the day they die. If the truth comes out and they are innocent then am sure they realise that they are accountable also and had a part to play.

And they should be left alone.

If they are responsible then there is no hole in hell deep enough to throw them in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The official Portuguese police files have been translated online and make a shocking read - no evidence of an abduction; only Kate McCann's fingerprints on the shutters and window frame; not one scrap of Maddie's DNA in the apartment; conflicting timelines, changed and contradicting statements; cadavar and blood dogs alerting to Kate's clothes, behind the sofa, in the wardrobe and in the McCann's rental car hired weeks after the event; Kate refusing to answer 48 out of 49 police questions; the parents not physically searching while locals spent days scouring the area; the parents laughing and joking in public just days later; going from broke with mortgage arrears to millionaires with no mortgage; using the public donations to their limited company (not charity) to sue anyone who speaks out against them ...and much more.

All facts and not internet supposition, and certainly not how you expect parents of a toddler allegedly snatched by a paedophile to behave. They are being protected by the establishment so the truth is unlikely to ever come out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.I did, so what about it?.Let me rephrase it, it was all a popularity stunt.

popular?? blimey!

bet they are so pleased they are now popular for being known as the people who left their kids home alone whilst they were out enjoying themselves

That's right, althought they didn't plan for that as they thought they had the perfect plan."

Shag as plans to make yourself popular go. Organising an abduction while you sit getting d*unk across the road is not a very well thought out route to popularity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post."

its yet another case of non judgemental people on a swingers site....

give it another 10 mins and they will have rounded up the villagers and gone on a hunt with pitchforks and lighted torches

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post."

Good plan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids"

Popular opinion = load of old wank made up by people with nothing better to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

If they had been people who weren't Dr's, I think they would have had their children taken from them and questioned more fully "

Actually they wouldn;t have automatically had their children off them for leaving them alone, but there will have been safeguarding meetings involving multiple agencies when the McCann's returned to the UK.

Just because they kept their children doesn't mean that there was not social service involvement and the level of that involvement would never be made public.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.I did, so what about it?.Let me rephrase it, it was all a popularity stunt."
Did you mean publicity stunt? Even so that's a little extreme lol

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids"

well if that is the case then all of those 'who knew' should take a long hard look at themselves for doing nothing about it..

after all if some of the theorists are to be believed and the parents did kill the child reporting this neglect may have prevented a death..

or is it all just bollocks and as usual all the perfect never made a single mistake at all ever in the upbringing of their own love jumping on something not proven..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.I did, so what about it?.Let me rephrase it, it was all a popularity stunt.

popular?? blimey!

bet they are so pleased they are now popular for being known as the people who left their kids home alone whilst they were out enjoying themselves

That's right, althought they didn't plan for that as they thought they had the perfect plan.

Shag as plans to make yourself popular go. Organising an abduction while you sit getting d*unk across the road is not a very well thought out route to popularity. "
That is right it is not and I recon as well that they are regretting what they have done as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm my opinion they are at the very least guilty of neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes."

Thank goodness we don't have kangaroo courts and lynch mobs any more. It would be guilty until proved innocent by the sounds of it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst I would never leave my children alone whilst on holiday, they have always gone out with us, millions of people do this. Many holiday companies have childrens' clubs and babysitting services for this reason. That facility is just looking in on the kids every half hour, which is apparently what the McCanns did. Lots of parents are irresponsible and leave the kids and just nip back every half hour or so.

There is no evidence of abuse or neglect (apart from the leaving them alone on holiday) and therefore you can't just throw kids into foster care which is not in the best interest of the remaining children.

I don't know what happened to Madeleine, maybe the parents were involved, but if they were then they're bloody good liars. Maybe they were just irresponsible and took a chance, and they've p as I'd the highest price for that chance.

I hope the search continues and in time find a conclusion to this horrific event.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

If they had been people who weren't Dr's, I think they would have had their children taken from them and questioned more fully

Just because they kept their children doesn't mean that there was not social service involvement and the level of that involvement would never be made public.

Good point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

Popular opinion = load of old wank made up by people with nothing better to do."

Or opinions, which people are entitled to even if they do differ from yours, which are held by many...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I pity the family in many ways. I'm glad money is still being spent to find her. I would not begrudge the search a penny. Same with Ben Needham.

Same here . I think every day is another day of pure hell for them , they r paying the ultimate price for their stupid mistake . Also there is still a child who is missing let's never forget that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they'd been working class, salt of the earth types, or perhaps a single mother, working minimum wage jobs, and they'd displayed the appropriate level of hysteria and tears on camera, a lot of people would react differently to them and the case as a whole.

I think the case probably has to be wound up at some point, but I wouldn't like to be the person put in the position of making that decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

Popular opinion = load of old wank made up by people with nothing better to do.

Or opinions, which people are entitled to even if they do differ from yours, which are held by many..."

They are entitled to opinion but it is based in gossip and speculation and not fact or backed up by evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest, this case has gone on long enough.

Its only a matter of time before the finger starts pointing at the parents. Oh, wait. We can't as they will counter it with 5 words "Blame us and we'll sue".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post."

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Read that again shag..... Say it out loud to yourself.I did, so what about it?.Let me rephrase it, it was all a popularity stunt.

popular?? blimey!

bet they are so pleased they are now popular for being known as the people who left their kids home alone whilst they were out enjoying themselves

That's right, althought they didn't plan for that as they thought they had the perfect plan.

Shag as plans to make yourself popular go. Organising an abduction while you sit getting d*unk across the road is not a very well thought out route to popularity. That is right it is not and I recon as well that they are regretting what they have done as well."

you don't say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

Popular opinion = load of old wank made up by people with nothing better to do.

Or opinions, which people are entitled to even if they do differ from yours, which are held by many...

They are entitled to opinion but it is based in gossip and speculation and not fact or backed up by evidence. "

Given that the evidence is inconclusive that applies to all opinions in this case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent."

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

Thank goodness we don't have kangaroo courts and lynch mobs any more. It would be guilty until proved innocent by the sounds of it!"

It's really depressing actually. People with these kind of _iews can serve on juries, after all.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

There are a lot of holes in the McCanns' stories and those of their friends.

Despite the appalling low standard of the Portuguese SOCCOs, there was no signs of any forced entry reported by them or the resort owner, in fact they explicitly stated there was no forced entry evidence.

I don't know what exactly happened, but I do know that the resort had a child minding service that the McCann's were too tight to use, and that they did have a nanny, Catriona something, who was due to go to Portugal with them, but went to Canada at the last minute.

Every right thinking and responsible parent knows you do not go out for a meal leaving kids under 5 unsupervised. That alone makes them guilty of child neglect. I do hope Maddie is safe and well somewhere, but fear the worst. The McCann's are clearly unfit parents.

Do some research, read the police evidence, read the mistakes made by the McCann's in their stories and how they changed them, read the anomalies in the statements of the people they were dining with. It's all very suspicious.

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By *epper123Woman
over a year ago

London

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort"

You are right .... as is often the case. The authorities do what they can to support parents keeping children at home. Taking them away is not. The norm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them! "

You can guarantee that if it was Mr and Mrs Bloggs from the council estate they'd have been hung out to dry. And rightly so.

The McCanns ought to be punished for neglect which in turn would lose them their jobs.

Somehow Doctors are treated differently to us mere mortals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind thoughts some people have here. I would just let them do what they feel is right. There are a lot worse things to spend money on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent."

Exactly. Imagine if it wasn't Hs phone that got stolen yesterday but H herself. I would of be lambasted for leting her go to the park with a friend dispite the fact I was watchin them from the window unlike the maccans who couldn't even see thier children and whose children were 7 years younger. X

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

Best Scenario: they find her on a farm in some remote place being looked after by a nice family who saw her picture up somewhere and came forward.

Worst Scenario: Dead.

then there's everything in between: Being raised by that family who haven't come forward through fear of prosecution OR lost in a child-sex trafficking ring being whored out to twenty men a night.

The only person I feel sorry for in this whole situation is Maddie. Even if they do find her, the potential physical, mental and emotional damage she may have endured means that she'll never lead a normal life. The acts of her parents will hang on her forever.

I can't have sympathy for her parents knowing these possibilities.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *oodyshere2011Man
over a year ago

Midlands

I feel so sorry for Maddie really but I struggle to see why the parents have not been harshly dealt with. It's horrible what they have been through but too much evidence comes up that they know more than what they let on........ They don't me things and drip fed the police with information they needed ........

Ultimately the parents let there family down and should be dealt with accordingly !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes."

As much as I can not understand why a parent would leave their child and am personally of the belief that she was not abducted, I have to agree the reactions this case provokes are really disturbing.

What is most upsetting, and has been from the time she disappeared is that many people seem far far more interested in hating the McCann's than actually giving a toss about a little girl who remains missing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

You can guarantee that if it was Mr and Mrs Bloggs from the council estate they'd have been hung out to dry. And rightly so.

The McCanns ought to be punished for neglect which in turn would lose them their jobs.

Somehow Doctors are treated differently to us mere mortals. "

I think the exact opposite to you actually - when you read plenty of the criticism of them it's based on the fact they had good jobs, had money and appeared to display a stiff upper lip approach.

Mr and Mrs Bloggs from the council estate would have been hailed as tragic heroes.

They are treated differently as doctors, they seem to be held to a higher standard in all areas than other parents who've experienced tragic events and are treated with compassion.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

As much as I can not understand why a parent would leave their child and am personally of the belief that she was not abducted, I have to agree the reactions this case provokes are really disturbing.

because it plays to the rich versus poor agenda that fuels the bitterness that they thrive on.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel so sorry for Maddie really but I struggle to see why the parents have not been harshly dealt with. It's horrible what they have been through but too much evidence comes up that they know more than what they let on........ They don't me things and drip fed the police with information they needed ........

Ultimately the parents let there family down and should be dealt with accordingly !!!"

The reason why the parents haven't been dealt with is because no one can out of fear of being sued by them. The Mccanns have the police and the media as their bitch and won't hesitate to sue them too if they put the blame towards them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

As much as I can not understand why a parent would leave their child and am personally of the belief that she was not abducted, I have to agree the reactions this case provokes are really disturbing.

because it plays to the rich versus poor agenda that fuels the bitterness that they thrive on....."

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

and I can remember the threads about Shannon Matthews and the McCanns being slaughtered on those threads by people comparing the lifestyles and the discrimination Shannon's mum was shown.

Then they fell silent......

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By *andS4funCouple
over a year ago

Lancashire

The Mcans aren't in this post to defend themselves that makes me feel uncomfortable. We should be human and have a heart that there is a little girl here and we don't know what happened to her and that is tragically sad. We know she was left alone and that is wrong what happened next we don't know and that just is terrible.So if the police and authorities are still trying to understand all of this then that surely is a good thing.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Imagine the Mcanns had flown home with their family intact.

They did all they did while they were away but nothing happened.

No one. Not one soul. Not their friends who were with them. Not the hotel owners..... no one. No one would be saying a bad word.

Is it the action or the being caught out that matters ?

I left my children asleep in Butlins years ago. There was a baby sitting patrol. Was I happy about it years ago ....... yep. Would I do it now ? No....

Yet any one of my children could have been taken from our chalet or injured themselves while we were out. Never entered my head.

I have been down the garden to hang out washing etc while my babies slept upstairs. Anything could have happened. Luckily it didn't.

I can't offer excuses for the McCanns leaving their daughter but I can try and be a bit more level than some of the posters.

They were not out getting pissed. I know it helps your attempts to demonise them further but they were not getting pissed. They were having a meal at a tapas bar where the food was included in their holiday.

They weren't miles away in a restaurant. They were the length of a swimming pool away .... I know it is wrong but some of the exaggerations on here are good for nothing except witch hunts.

If Kate McCann had been asleep in the girls room , Maddie could still have been abducted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes."

I can't quite explain it in words but it sometimes feels like the McCanns are made the scapegoats for all the bad parenting that has ever existed rolled into one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Yeah because the abduction of their young daughter and subsequent years of torment isn't enough punishment! Christ! Have a heart people."

I have a heart, for children who are wilfully neglected by their parents. Those children were barely out of infancy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

did they report them when they spoke of this.....

No of course they didn't

And being popular opinion is just a euphemism for something that someone said down the pub

Maybe the popular opinion regarding sedating however the fact that they attended dinner parties etc and have never engaged nannies or baby sitters is fact not speculation "

A quick google seems to find numerous links to a nanny? And are you really saying that they NEVER used a babt sitter? What are you basing this on?

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I was prepared to give the McCann's the benefit of the doubt until I read the evidence, not the attention grabbing headlines, but the cold hard facts.

I doubt many (if any)on here have done the same.

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

"Devon & Cornwall are still investigating a murder of a teenage newspaper girl who is still is listed as "missing" but whom they believe was killed by a known child serial killer who died in prison a few months ago!file sent to CPS yesterday showing wealth of evedance that he was indeed the perpetrator but he died before they could charge him according to the news "

Now wanting the CPS to say that they would have charged him if they could have to give closure to the family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The one thing I don't understand with the book they stopped being published....

How come it is acceptable for them to portray all their theories and suspicions (when it suits them - the man who appeared in the last crimewatch appeal they knew of years before but looked too much like Gerry to publish) but a man is not allowed to publish his?

Surely until it is proven what happened his story is just as valid as theirs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

did they report them when they spoke of this.....

No of course they didn't

And being popular opinion is just a euphemism for something that someone said down the pub

Maybe the popular opinion regarding sedating however the fact that they attended dinner parties etc and have never engaged nannies or baby sitters is fact not speculation

A quick google seems to find numerous links to a nanny? And are you really saying that they NEVER used a babt sitter? What are you basing this on?"

This is all idle speculation, however it is beyond question that they left their children alone that night so they could go out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

As much as I can not understand why a parent would leave their child and am personally of the belief that she was not abducted, I have to agree the reactions this case provokes are really disturbing.

because it plays to the rich versus poor agenda that fuels the bitterness that they thrive on....."

Totally agree. To be honest I think the only way the McCann;s could ever receive more vitriol based on nothing more than their jobs and inverted snobbery would be if they dared to describe themselves as professionals on a swingers site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was prepared to give the McCann's the benefit of the doubt until I read the evidence, not the attention grabbing headlines, but the cold hard facts.

I doubt many (if any)on here have done the same."

So why haven't these "cold hard facts" and evidence been used to bring a prosecution against them? (And don't give me the "they control the establishment" bollocks.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was prepared to give the McCann's the benefit of the doubt until I read the evidence, not the attention grabbing headlines, but the cold hard facts.

I doubt many (if any)on here have done the same."

You mean that shows they did it ? Because if it truly did - they'd have been charged with or without a body !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both in very well paid jobs but no nanny or childminders...it all seems a bit strange.

Popular opinion is that they regularly sedated the kids

did they report them when they spoke of this.....

No of course they didn't

And being popular opinion is just a euphemism for something that someone said down the pub

Maybe the popular opinion regarding sedating however the fact that they attended dinner parties etc and have never engaged nannies or baby sitters is fact not speculation

A quick google seems to find numerous links to a nanny? And are you really saying that they NEVER used a babt sitter? What are you basing this on?

This is all idle speculation, however it is beyond question that they left their children alone that night so they could go out."

No one is arguing that but maverick777 is making some pretty extreme accusations and claims seemingly based on absolutely nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i still think there wouldve been plenty of evidence found if the parents had killed her and disposed of the body

enough evidence to at least charge them

think they are guilty of irresponsibility more than anything. and have paid the ultimate price for it

not forgetting poor little maddie too

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Imagine the Mcanns had flown home with their family intact.

They did all they did while they were away but nothing happened.

No one. Not one soul. Not their friends who were with them. Not the hotel owners..... no one. No one would be saying a bad word.

Is it the action or the being caught out that matters ?

I left my children asleep in Butlins years ago. There was a baby sitting patrol. Was I happy about it years ago ....... yep. Would I do it now ? No....

Yet any one of my children could have been taken from our chalet or injured themselves while we were out. Never entered my head.

I have been down the garden to hang out washing etc while my babies slept upstairs. Anything could have happened. Luckily it didn't.

I can't offer excuses for the McCanns leaving their daughter but I can try and be a bit more level than some of the posters.

They weren't miles away in a restaurant. They were the length of a swimming pool away .... I know it is wrong but some of the exaggerations on here are good for nothing except witch hunts.

If Kate McCann had been asleep in the girls room , Maddie could still have been abducted. "

It's one thing to po out and hang the washing, in your own house for a couple of minutes, but another to go out for the night in a relatively open complex.

The distance was 120 metres, there was a swimming pool between them and the apartments, and yes they could have swum across it, but it would have been more practical and quicker to walk round it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For Fabs..... I think this subject is a little strong man

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Imagine the Mcanns had flown home with their family intact.

They did all they did while they were away but nothing happened.

No one. Not one soul. Not their friends who were with them. Not the hotel owners..... no one. No one would be saying a bad word.

Is it the action or the being caught out that matters ?

I left my children asleep in Butlins years ago. There was a baby sitting patrol. Was I happy about it years ago ....... yep. Would I do it now ? No....

Yet any one of my children could have been taken from our chalet or injured themselves while we were out. Never entered my head.

I have been down the garden to hang out washing etc while my babies slept upstairs. Anything could have happened. Luckily it didn't.

I can't offer excuses for the McCanns leaving their daughter but I can try and be a bit more level than some of the posters.

They weren't miles away in a restaurant. They were the length of a swimming pool away .... I know it is wrong but some of the exaggerations on here are good for nothing except witch hunts.

If Kate McCann had been asleep in the girls room , Maddie could still have been abducted. "

I was about to post similar. Very little compassion or humanity displayed by some here.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Imagine the Mcanns had flown home with their family intact.

They did all they did while they were away but nothing happened.

No one. Not one soul. Not their friends who were with them. Not the hotel owners..... no one. No one would be saying a bad word.

Is it the action or the being caught out that matters ?

I left my children asleep in Butlins years ago. There was a baby sitting patrol. Was I happy about it years ago ....... yep. Would I do it now ? No....

Yet any one of my children could have been taken from our chalet or injured themselves while we were out. Never entered my head.

I have been down the garden to hang out washing etc while my babies slept upstairs. Anything could have happened. Luckily it didn't.

I can't offer excuses for the McCanns leaving their daughter but I can try and be a bit more level than some of the posters.

They weren't miles away in a restaurant. They were the length of a swimming pool away .... I know it is wrong but some of the exaggerations on here are good for nothing except witch hunts.

If Kate McCann had been asleep in the girls room , Maddie could still have been abducted.

It's one thing to po out and hang the washing, in your own house for a couple of minutes, but another to go out for the night in a relatively open complex.

The distance was 120 metres, there was a swimming pool between them and the apartments, and yes they could have swum across it, but it would have been more practical and quicker to walk round it."

Granted, a huge difference between being 25 yards down my garden and them being out of the apartments. None the less my children were out of my _iew and hearing and any intruder would have a clear opportunity of about 7 minutes. Reports I have read say they were 40m away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there any actual evidence that the child was, in fact, abducted?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

" Very little compassion or humanity displayed by some here."

and from some people who seek support and compassion from the forums for a lost mojo, a nasty message, 'feeling a little down today' and the rest...

and they got it, it's nice to give it back to rich and poor. Torment after all, is still torment to both..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there any actual evidence that the child was, in fact, abducted?"

Just the fact she is gone and their stories about jammed windows. No other fingerprints/dna found no witnesses.

If someone was going to kidnap a child surely you would take the smallest that would put up less of a fight - they was all in the same room

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is there any actual evidence that the child was, in fact, abducted?

Just the fact she is gone and their stories about jammed windows. No other fingerprints/dna found no witnesses.

If someone was going to kidnap a child surely you would take the smallest that would put up less of a fight - they was all in the same room "
Imagine when she grows up to find out what have happened to her in the past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£12m spent thus far.

Let's hope the truth will come out eventually and the person/s guilty burn in hell.

Such a bonnie looking angel, a very sad way to be remembered. "

I'm not saying that money shouldn't have been spent on investigations, but £12 million could have saved a lot of other children's lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort"

yeah. a guy i've known about 10 years now. his girlfriend gave her kids up to care because she had severe depression and no support from anyone, this was before he met her.

SS told him that his child, who he's never had any problems with SS himself, was not allowed to keep his child because as soon as it was born it would be taken into care. so he didn't even get given the chance to neglect his own child, not saying he would do that. he also got told not to have any contact with her while she was pregnant and after she had the child (which was in care anyway) or else they wouldn't even let him have supervised visiting rights.

so yeah if they can do that to someone with no record of child abuse or neglect than i don't see why someone who has had a very negative outcome from child neglect would get to keep their child. obviously different people are handling individual cases but still there is no consistency here.

and i'm not heartless for thinking this, i do feel sorry even if neglectful parents lose their children because most parents love their kids no matter how crap of a parent they are. and there's no such thing as perfect parents either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

As much as I can not understand why a parent would leave their child and am personally of the belief that she was not abducted, I have to agree the reactions this case provokes are really disturbing.

because it plays to the rich versus poor agenda that fuels the bitterness that they thrive on.....

Many people come our with the statement 'if they didn't have good jobs they would have been charged' which is completely incorrect. They are doctors - not god. They are not above the law and would have been charged and gone to trial if there had been evidence of their involvement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even in the UK there isn't currently a minimum age that a child can be left alone, it's down to parental discretion if they believe their child is ok to be left. So every day here - children are left - some that are far too young to be alone. And it's often only by luck rather than judgement nothing happens.

The McCanns - made a poor judgement call - they aren't the first and won't be the last.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Very little compassion or humanity displayed by some here.

and from some people who seek support and compassion from the forums for a lost mojo, a nasty message, 'feeling a little down today' and the rest...

and they got it, it's nice to give it back to rich and poor. Torment after all, is still torment to both.."

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

I just hope that she is OK ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort

yeah. a guy i've known about 10 years now. his girlfriend gave her kids up to care because she had severe depression and no support from anyone, this was before he met her.

My mother lost all her children (8) including me because of neglect. She was a wonderful woman but sadly she had mental heath issuses and was neglected by her own family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even in the UK there isn't currently a minimum age that a child can be left alone, it's down to parental discretion if they believe their child is ok to be left. So every day here - children are left - some that are far too young to be alone. And it's often only by luck rather than judgement nothing happens.

The McCanns - made a poor judgement call - they aren't the first and won't be the last. "

sadly VERY true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort

yeah. a guy i've known about 10 years now. his girlfriend gave her kids up to care because she had severe depression and no support from anyone, this was before he met her.

My mother lost all her children (8) including me because of neglect. She was a wonderful woman but sadly she had mental heath issuses and was neglected by her own family."

love isn't always enough, i know that also.

this case does bring up questions about why certain things happen a certain way for some person but not for others.

don't even care the police are spending loads of money. but this also points out the hypocrisy of the system where a family might need something and not get that because of government cutbacks yet this family gets thousands for one child. it doesn't make any sense.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

The McCanns - made a poor judgement call - they aren't the first and won't be the last. "

Im pretty sure there is a minimum age. I thought it was 11 maybe 10. I'll check.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

I can't quite explain it in words but it sometimes feels like the McCanns are made the scapegoats for all the bad parenting that has ever existed rolled into one.

when our now nearly 30 year old was about 2 we 'lost him' in a shop as he decided to play hide and seek amongst the clothes rails..

it lasted about maybe 90 seconds as we think when he heard us calling him and to be honest we were, well certainly i was loud and he may have thought he was in bother and stayed hid..

we were lucky..

anyone who has been or is a parent will know just how quick they can be..

the accident and emergency units of the hospitals in this country daily have children in them for minor and sadly major injuries..

'parents' don't have a working smoke alarm or ensure their kids are strapped in..

if every 'accident' was looked at from the _iewpoint of 'neglect' and common sense not applied where would that lead us..

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The McCanns - made a poor judgement call - they aren't the first and won't be the last.

Im pretty sure there is a minimum age. I thought it was 11 maybe 10. I'll check."

There isn't - it's been all over the news recently.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

It is an offence to leave any child alone where they may be in danger.

In other words........ don't leave them alone.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

The McCanns - made a poor judgement call - they aren't the first and won't be the last.

Im pretty sure there is a minimum age. I thought it was 11 maybe 10. I'll check.

There isn't - it's been all over the news recently. "

You are right. But see my last post x

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

I can't quite explain it in words but it sometimes feels like the McCanns are made the scapegoats for all the bad parenting that has ever existed rolled into one.

when our now nearly 30 year old was about 2 we 'lost him' in a shop as he decided to play hide and seek amongst the clothes rails..

it lasted about maybe 90 seconds as we think when he heard us calling him and to be honest we were, well certainly i was loud and he may have thought he was in bother and stayed hid..

we were lucky..

anyone who has been or is a parent will know just how quick they can be..

the accident and emergency units of the hospitals in this country daily have children in them for minor and sadly major injuries..

'parents' don't have a working smoke alarm or ensure their kids are strapped in..

if every 'accident' was looked at from the _iewpoint of 'neglect' and common sense not applied where would that lead us..

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it.. "

When one of my brothers was 8 he sustained some major injuries while my mum hung the washing on the line.

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over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort

yeah. a guy i've known about 10 years now. his girlfriend gave her kids up to care because she had severe depression and no support from anyone, this was before he met her.

My mother lost all her children (8) including me because of neglect. She was a wonderful woman but sadly she had mental heath issuses and was neglected by her own family.

love isn't always enough, i know that also.

this case does bring up questions about why certain things happen a certain way for some person but not for others.

It doesn't no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is an offence to leave any child alone where they may be in danger.

In other words........ don't leave them alone."

I know they are looking at bringing in a minimum age. That's why it was all over the news. Because it's unclear as the law currently stands.

Sarah

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

" Very little compassion or humanity displayed by some here.

and from some people who seek support and compassion from the forums for a lost mojo, a nasty message, 'feeling a little down today' and the rest...

and they got it, it's nice to give it back to rich and poor. Torment after all, is still torment to both.."

this..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is an offence to leave any child alone where they may be in danger.

In other words........ don't leave them alone."

This is were the problem lies. It's left up to the parents to decide if thier child is ok to be left alone or not.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"....

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it.. "

Yeah sure, mistakes happen, and mostly nothing untoward ensues. I lost my eldest in a shop when he was around 4, I only looked away for a minute - literally, and he was gone. Thankfully, he was talking to a dear old lady who was holding his hand and about to take him to security.

Lesson learned, I bought wrist tethers for both of them after that.

But that's entirely different from deliberately going out for a meal, leaving 3 toddlers alone in an apartment complex, being too tight to pay for the child minding service that was available. I would call that culpable negligence.

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

if she is still alive no doubt they obtained dna off her clothing and in the future may be found thru the dna, also the eye is another mark which is noticable, just hope she does surface in the future

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It is an offence to leave any child alone where they may be in danger.

In other words........ don't leave them alone.

This is were the problem lies. It's left up to the parents to decide if thier child is ok to be left alone or not."

I think nearly all parents are capable of that. I'm not sure it's possible to legislate for every possible danger to children.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

I can't quite explain it in words but it sometimes feels like the McCanns are made the scapegoats for all the bad parenting that has ever existed rolled into one.

when our now nearly 30 year old was about 2 we 'lost him' in a shop as he decided to play hide and seek amongst the clothes rails..

it lasted about maybe 90 seconds as we think when he heard us calling him and to be honest we were, well certainly i was loud and he may have thought he was in bother and stayed hid..

we were lucky..

anyone who has been or is a parent will know just how quick they can be..

the accident and emergency units of the hospitals in this country daily have children in them for minor and sadly major injuries..

'parents' don't have a working smoke alarm or ensure their kids are strapped in..

if every 'accident' was looked at from the _iewpoint of 'neglect' and common sense not applied where would that lead us..

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it..

When one of my brothers was 8 he sustained some major injuries while my mum hung the washing on the line.

we had something similar with one of my siblings, got as serious as them being given the last rites..

Mum never forgave herself even though it was a pure accident..

it would have served no purpose for her to have been done for neglect..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort

yeah. a guy i've known about 10 years now. his girlfriend gave her kids up to care because she had severe depression and no support from anyone, this was before he met her.

I'm pretty sure that having given up previous children that would not automatically lead to a new child been taken in to care.

If however a child is to be taken in to care as soon as it is born (somnething that is extremely unusual) it makes perfect sense that the father cannot be considered for custody if he is in a relationship with the mother, That is not a reflection of the father though.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"....

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it..

Lesson learned, I bought wrist tethers for both of them after that.

the courts would be tied up for years where every parent or guardian to be prosecuted for just those kids sadly killed in a house fire ..

what actual good would be achieved is debatable but people who have lost kids when they have made mistake's rather than been deliberate in their actions know full well what they have done and have to live with that..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

My daughter ran off with excitement at a crowded summer event when she was six and a bit......

I did what all good mothers do when I tracked her down.

I smacked her arse good n proper and shouted like a maniac.

No one stared in those days... wasn't unusual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

I can't quite explain it in words but it sometimes feels like the McCanns are made the scapegoats for all the bad parenting that has ever existed rolled into one.

when our now nearly 30 year old was about 2 we 'lost him' in a shop as he decided to play hide and seek amongst the clothes rails..

it lasted about maybe 90 seconds as we think when he heard us calling him and to be honest we were, well certainly i was loud and he may have thought he was in bother and stayed hid..

we were lucky..

anyone who has been or is a parent will know just how quick they can be..

the accident and emergency units of the hospitals in this country daily have children in them for minor and sadly major injuries..

'parents' don't have a working smoke alarm or ensure their kids are strapped in..

if every 'accident' was looked at from the _iewpoint of 'neglect' and common sense not applied where would that lead us..

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it.. "

My cod psychology theory is that because it taps into parents' worst fears, some people need to tell themselves that it could never happen to them. So they rationalise that it happened not through a quick lapse of judgement or an accident (both of which can happen to anyone) but because the parents did a Very Bad Thing, and they would never do that Very Bad Thing so nothing like this will ever happen to them and their children. They need to believe it's the direct fault of the parents because the idea something so horrific can happen through bad luck is too difficult to process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so in this time of Austerity our ever frugal home secratery has found £95k to pay for another six months of scotland yard wasting there time finding out the bleeding obvious shes dead ffs "

That's the most disgusting comment I've ever read on here. I've read a lot as well. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Nice to see some balanced opinions being posted

This case really brings out the worst in people for sure, turns seemingly normal people into rabid, pitchfork waving hordes.

I can't quite explain it in words but it sometimes feels like the McCanns are made the scapegoats for all the bad parenting that has ever existed rolled into one.

when our now nearly 30 year old was about 2 we 'lost him' in a shop as he decided to play hide and seek amongst the clothes rails..

it lasted about maybe 90 seconds as we think when he heard us calling him and to be honest we were, well certainly i was loud and he may have thought he was in bother and stayed hid..

we were lucky..

anyone who has been or is a parent will know just how quick they can be..

the accident and emergency units of the hospitals in this country daily have children in them for minor and sadly major injuries..

'parents' don't have a working smoke alarm or ensure their kids are strapped in..

if every 'accident' was looked at from the _iewpoint of 'neglect' and common sense not applied where would that lead us..

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it..

could well be that with some yes..

the difference between 'getting away with it' when something happens and not are minuscule..

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over a year ago

"so in this time of Austerity our ever frugal home secratery has found £95k to pay for another six months of scotland yard wasting there time finding out the bleeding obvious shes dead ffs

That's the most disgusting comment I've ever read on here. I've read a lot as well. You ought to be ashamed of yourself."

I wonder if they posted this thread just because they knew what a discussion it would provoke given that they haven't commented x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are doctors the way some people on this thread are suggesting they have influence and friends in high places due to being doctors, would be hilarious if this wasn't such a tragic event.

No disrespect to them but they're not anywhere near important enough to be involved in any cover up or any other ridiculous stunts.

Some people really need to use their own common sense and minds and not get influenced by people who are basically clueless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so in this time of Austerity our ever frugal home secratery has found £95k to pay for another six months of scotland yard wasting there time finding out the bleeding obvious shes dead ffs

That's the most disgusting comment I've ever read on here. I've read a lot as well. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I wonder if they posted this thread just because they knew what a discussion it would provoke given that they haven't commented x"

Don't know, your probably right. To be so audacious like that and presume a child is dead and it's wasted money is evil no matter what the given scenario is or the probability factor. I'm utterly speechless at that and what's worse is keyboard warriors agreeing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never understood why her parents weren't charged with neglect or whatever the appropriate legal term would be.

Or had there other children taken off them!

FFS! Are some people for real? Why not just save time and money and just hang them from a lamp post.

or look at it another way and that some people are very protective of all children and they don't understand why other people get their kids taken off them for lesser things.

it doesn't actually make sense that any parent who neglected their children, and lost one of them because of it, is declared a fit parent.

Out of interest do you have any examples of the 'lessser things' that have led to other children been taken in to care?

It is usually very much a last resort

yeah. a guy i've known about 10 years now. his girlfriend gave her kids up to care because she had severe depression and no support from anyone, this was before he met her.

I'm pretty sure that having given up previous children that would not automatically lead to a new child been taken in to care.

you asked for an example and i gave it to you, that's it. there is an example of how SS work sometimes and do not allow people to keep their children when no harm has even came to any of them.

because of her previous with SS the midwives had to report her pregnancy to them. so they started procedures before the child was even born. SS aren't like the police, they don't wipe the slate clean and they always presume guilty before innocent, in most cases, because that's beneficial to all abused children.

he had to not be in a relationship with her at all to even have access so as far as SS were concerned they were not in a relationship because he was able to have access until she was adopted. then nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so in this time of Austerity our ever frugal home secratery has found £95k to pay for another six months of scotland yard wasting there time finding out the bleeding obvious shes dead ffs

That's the most disgusting comment I've ever read on here. I've read a lot as well. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I wonder if they posted this thread just because they knew what a discussion it would provoke given that they haven't commented x

people are allowed to have opinions, but unfortunately this subject is obviously still a very contentious one...all I will say about what the OP has posted is that the green arrow is a real eye opener

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poor parents maybe but they aren't the Wests or the Philpotts.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I feel for all the parents with missing children who have had the absolute minimum spent on the search for their children.

It must feel like a slap in the face every time they read the sums spent to try and find this one child.

Missing children aren't all treated equally.

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

At the end of the day why did they not lock the fucking door.she would still be here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular."

Oh come on! Conspiracy theory gone mad?

Mr G

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel for all the parents with missing children who have had the absolute minimum spent on the search for their children.

It must feel like a slap in the face every time they read the sums spent to try and find this one child.

Missing children aren't all treated equally.

Your absolutely spot on with this but you don't create a thread firstly begrudging money spent on a missing CHILD and then say, "she's dead ffs". It's evil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel for all the parents with missing children who have had the absolute minimum spent on the search for their children.

It must feel like a slap in the face every time they read the sums spent to try and find this one child.

Missing children aren't all treated equally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is still a conspiracy theory and that she is in hiding somewhere. Her parents somehow paied the police to make a big story of it to make their name popular.

Oh come on! Conspiracy theory gone mad?

Mr G

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That's right, although no doubt their intention was to make their name popular in some way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If she is alive, one day when she's old enough she may find them! Plenty of material out there for her to think hey thats me they?re all talking about and make contact herself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just hope that the truth comes to light. For Madeleine's sake. Wherever she is and whatever has happened to her.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel for all the parents with missing children who have had the absolute minimum spent on the search for their children.

It must feel like a slap in the face every time they read the sums spent to try and find this one child.

Missing children aren't all treated equally.

^^^^ This.

I guess not all parents of missing children are wealthy and as media savvy as the McCanns.

They are, either directly or indirectly, responsible for this poor kids disappearance.

The police have spent millions on this case. What has happened to all the money the McCanns raised through their 'charity'???

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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when our now nearly 30 year old was about 2 we 'lost him' in a shop as he decided to play hide and seek amongst the clothes rails..

it lasted about maybe 90 seconds as we think when he heard us calling him and to be honest we were, well certainly i was loud and he may have thought he was in bother and stayed hid..

we were lucky..

anyone who has been or is a parent will know just how quick they can be..

the accident and emergency units of the hospitals in this country daily have children in them for minor and sadly major injuries..

'parents' don't have a working smoke alarm or ensure their kids are strapped in..

if every 'accident' was looked at from the _iewpoint of 'neglect' and common sense not applied where would that lead us..

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it.. "

None of those examples are the same as leaving your three children under 3 in a holiday flat while you have a meal and probably a drink somewhere else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

95k would pay the salary for a year of 3 nurses to take care of children who may be affected by cancer or serious illness.

Yet it pays for a further 6 months on a investigation for two selfish, thoughtless, individuals.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

when our now nearly 30 year old was about 2 we 'lost him' in a shop as he decided to play hide and seek amongst the clothes rails..

it lasted about maybe 90 seconds as we think when he heard us calling him and to be honest we were, well certainly i was loud and he may have thought he was in bother and stayed hid..

we were lucky..

anyone who has been or is a parent will know just how quick they can be..

the accident and emergency units of the hospitals in this country daily have children in them for minor and sadly major injuries..

'parents' don't have a working smoke alarm or ensure their kids are strapped in..

if every 'accident' was looked at from the _iewpoint of 'neglect' and common sense not applied where would that lead us..

sadly some people do mistreat and neglect their kids, the majority are just human beings and mistakes happen..

some seem to not have the experience of that or to have forgotten it..

None of those examples are the same as leaving your three children under 3 in a holiday flat while you have a meal and probably a drink somewhere else"

no they're not but that would be because we never did what they did, like others have not..

although there are thousands of parents and possibly some on here now taking the moral high ground who have left their own kids alone, be that whilst next door or across the road..

a couple of the examples i gave were from incidents i attended in the past some ended ok others not so, all like the Mcann's with hindsight may not have occurred..

its a fine line between it being ok and it not..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not read the whole thread so apologise if making a point already made and I cannot even begin to understand how horrific it must be for any parent to lose a child in the alleged circumstances of her disappearance.

But I do always find it intriguing the 48 questions that the McCanns refused to answer to Portugese police.

A quick Google pulls up the relevant news articles.

I hope for all their sakes the mystery is solved and she's either found alive or able to be put to rest once and for all.

But I do agree with those that say there's been a disproportionate amount of support for this case over other missing persons investigations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in gut instinct. And instantly felt there was something off about the McCanns and the fact that lots of others share that gut instinct makes me more inclined to think something is not quite right with their account.

Or maybe they just feel guilty for wrongly leaving their children unsupervised.

It's not a case of rich vs poor, I respect doctors and find their ability and knowledge to help save lives very admirable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a horrid thing to say. They made a terrible, terrible mistake and some evil bastard made them pay for it. Someone with such evil in their heart. So dark and horrible that I just cannot imagine how black it is. Can't you see that.

Swingers live in glass houses so why on earth you'd want to chuck stones at people you have absolutely no idea what they are about, seen or done. Fuck me what a load of judgmental bollocks.

I simply do not believe what I am seeing. I'd have thought people on a swinging site would have had far more compassion and forgiveness. Instead it would seem the opposite. Those poor tortured parents. I feel desperately sorry for them. Always have.

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By *llie RoseWoman
over a year ago

By the seaside

"Is there any actual evidence that the child was, in fact, abducted?

Just the fact she is gone and their stories about jammed windows. No other fingerprints/dna found no witnesses.

If someone was going to kidnap a child surely you would take the smallest that would put up less of a fight - they was all in the same room "

No they wouldn't necessarily take the smallest. If there was someone else involved in Maddy's disappearance than that person knew the children were alone. This more than likely means they had been watching the family. That is the action of a preferential offender. They will have a type and that often involves age.