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By *odareyou OP Man
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

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By *ayd2pinkTV/TS
over a year ago

TENTERDEN

Flights back home for non-natives who break our laws

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

a massive drinking session in the guiness factory .... oh hang on, that might be beyond their organisational skills

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

NHS, schools, public services. Anything we pay taxes for really.

I got a leaflet asking me to leave the EU today, from GO. not sure why or where that came from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hospitals has to be the obvious choice

Apparently there were 7.5 million foreign born residents in the UK in 2011 that's over 11% of the population all trying to cram into the same amount of hospitals

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Nine days for the steel works.

It really is beginning to feel like Dave and Gideon want to hand the Leave Campaign a win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Money they should take out of their pockets, Not ours

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

£9.3m for a 14 page leaflet to go through the doors of all 27m households. Starting with England, then the rest of the UK.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

£9.3m for a 14 page leaflet to go through the doors of all 27m households. Starting with England, then the rest of the UK.

could be an own goal given the other side wont have the same resources to fund their campaign..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe pursuing all those millionaires with money tucked away in Panama. Should be a good return for the taxpayer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

£9.3m for a 14 page leaflet to go through the doors of all 27m households. Starting with England, then the rest of the UK.

Wow.

If you add to that the cost of the extra recycling required for all the copies that get shoved straight in the bin!...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?"

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another? "

I agree about ensuring people are informed.. but this in 2016, not 1996.

A flyer linking to extra info online - an app etc. etc. etc.

Very hard to justify that cost given that most people are used to throwing junk mail straight into the bin nowadays.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another? "

if the leaflet was shared between the ins and outs then it may be a fairer use of public money..

being just Dave's view it doesn't look..

fair

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

£9.3m for a 14 page leaflet to go through the doors of all 27m households. Starting with England, then the rest of the UK.

could be an own goal given the other side wont have the same resources to fund their campaign.."

So far their campaign is giving the win to the Leave Campaign. Sending a 14 page leaflet is just too much for most people. Sending it from the central government position of privilege ahead of the official campaign time-frame using tax-payer money is not a good move.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

£9.3m for a 14 page leaflet to go through the doors of all 27m households. Starting with England, then the rest of the UK.

could be an own goal given the other side wont have the same resources to fund their campaign..

a sense of a hint of panic maybe..

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Cameron and co could put it in off.shore account for later use ....oh no they don't do that sort of thing do they ??

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another? "

I want people to have information. I want it to be fair and it needs to set out an impartial view of both in and out.

I KNOW 14 pages will not be read by over 50% receiving the leaflet.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?"

Bearing in mind they spent £3 billion rather than million on an NHS reorganisation they promised not to do and no-one asked for then them spending a small fraction of that on a bit of propaganda is no surprise

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

£9.3m for a 14 page leaflet to go through the doors of all 27m households. Starting with England, then the rest of the UK.

could be an own goal given the other side wont have the same resources to fund their campaign..

a sense of a hint of panic maybe.."

I do wonder if they are just anti-EU and would be on the "out" side of the debate if they weren't in power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another?

I agree about ensuring people are informed.. but this in 2016, not 1996.

A flyer linking to extra info online - an app etc. etc. etc.

Very hard to justify that cost given that most people are used to throwing junk mail straight into the bin nowadays."

Fair enough, let's just leave it to the Sun, Mirror and Star to give the info.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

more knighthoods for celebrities

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Is it £9.3m or £9,300.00

because one don't seem that bad and the other is

£9.3m for a 14 page leaflet to go through the doors of all 27m households. Starting with England, then the rest of the UK.

could be an own goal given the other side wont have the same resources to fund their campaign..

a sense of a hint of panic maybe..

I do wonder if they are just anti-EU and would be on the "out" side of the debate if they weren't in power.

entirely possible..

did wonder if Gideon got twiced by Boris when the latter went to the out side..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i wonder how many will return them to 10 Downing St..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i wonder how many will return them to 10 Downing St..

What a corking idea!

Can we correct the typos and write questions in red and green ink on them too?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"i wonder how many will return them to 10 Downing St..

What a corking idea!

Can we correct the typos and write questions in red and green ink on them too?

just write on it 'please return amended to an unbiased view which one would expect for such an important decision in a modern democracy please'..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree about ensuring people are informed.. but this in 2016, not 1996.

A flyer linking to extra info online - an app etc. etc. etc.

Very hard to justify that cost given that most people are used to throwing junk mail straight into the bin nowadays.

Fair enough, let's just leave it to the Sun, Mirror and Star to give the info."

or do any of the others things I already suggested

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just write on it 'please return amended to an unbiased view which one would expect for such an important decision in a modern democracy please'.."

I like the idea of lots of 'return to senders'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?"

I couldn't understand why they weren't doing their campaign online. It's a hell of a lot of paper etc. What an environmental waste if nothing else.

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By *nfamyMan
over a year ago

Goole

"Maybe pursuing all those millionaires with money tucked away in Panama. Should be a good return for the taxpayer."

What

The government doing something that the public support

The very thought of it will make the Conservatives blood boil

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

£9.3M is the extra over and above what's put aside for it - I think the total bill is something like £36M. They paid £300k for a web site ffs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Flights back home for non-natives who break our laws"

Compassionate care for those who need help rather than deportation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£9.3M is the extra over and above what's put aside for it - I think the total bill is something like £36M. They paid £300k for a web site ffs!

Of that, how much is the cost of the actual referendum itself - as in the election? And communicating with electors so they're registered to vote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe pursuing all those millionaires with money tucked away in Panama. Should be a good return for the taxpayer."

What will they pursue them for? They've done nothing illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£9.3M is the extra over and above what's put aside for it - I think the total bill is something like £36M. They paid £300k for a web site ffs!

What a waste ! Still propaganda is expensive I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I agree that a leaflet drop doesn't necessarily feel the best way of getting information out to people in 2016, I've been pretty alarmed by the lack of proper information being put out there to people from both sides.

This is an important decision for people to make, which they should make in an informed way, and I think it's the responsibility of the government to put people in the best position to be able to do that. Not everyone has access to social media or the internet, and they shouldn't be denied access to information because of that. Unless people think only certain kinds of people should be encouraged to vote in this referendum.

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"While I agree that a leaflet drop doesn't necessarily feel the best way of getting information out to people in 2016, I've been pretty alarmed by the lack of proper information being put out there to people from both sides.

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one. "

I have to agree no one has given me a reasonable arguement stating the pro's and con's for staying in or leaving.

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By *nfamyMan
over a year ago

Goole

"Maybe pursuing all those millionaires with money tucked away in Panama. Should be a good return for the taxpayer.

What will they pursue them for? They've done nothing illegal."

This is true, but I think its wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

I laugh at your wasted 3billion - nothing compared to the IT system disaster

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/18/nhs-records-system-10bn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one. "

I completely agree regarding inclusion of everyone . I was thinking that those registered on Electoral rolls with email addresses - do they have those ? Could be emailed. But then I thought - how would they work out who to leaflet drop the rest too - as it would be complicated. Plus I know the elderly population would be one of the groups who are most likely to vote and who aren't all online.

Plus like you say - the leaflet should have covered both sides of the argument.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one.

I have to agree no one has given me a reasonable arguement stating the pro's and con's for staying in or leaving. "

Are you looking for someone to come to your house and tell you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£9.3M is the extra over and above what's put aside for it - I think the total bill is something like £36M. They paid £300k for a web site ffs!

Of that, how much is the cost of the actual referendum itself - as in the election? And communicating with electors so they're registered to vote? "

Been looking for myself, and I can't find out how much has been budgeted for the cost of it. I mean the actual count itself and polling stations and cards etc. I'll eat my hat if it's less than £100m.

Well done brexiteers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one.

I have to agree no one has given me a reasonable arguement stating the pro's and con's for staying in or leaving.

Are you looking for someone to come to your house and tell you ?

Me? No, I know exactly what I think about it and which way I'll be voting.

But if you ask a bunch of people in the street they'll tell you they're not armed with the facts. People don't want to have to go looking for it themselves. They don't always know where to go to look for unbiased information. I'm all for banning people who are not capable of forming a fact-based opinion for themselves from being allowed to vote but unfortunately that's not how democracy works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another? "

This leaflet isn't the "facts" either. It is the same scare-mo getting and speculation that the government have been flooding our TV (well mostly BBC) with. It is full of " if we leave...this will happen..." nonsense. Most of which is a mix of guesswork and lies.

You can find the content of the leaflet online should you so wish...

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By *carlet_heavenWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the sticks

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one. "

Its so important that people have enough information to make an informed decision. I agree that something impartial should be set out & be accessible to everyone-otherwise how can the referendum be truly democratic???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*scare-mongering "

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one.

I have to agree no one has given me a reasonable arguement stating the pro's and con's for staying in or leaving.

Are you looking for someone to come to your house and tell you ?

No of course not, what a waste of money and resource what that would be but what I do want is an unbiased arguement as to the pro's and con's of each arguement. there are many possibly who doesn't or wouldn't have a clue which way to vote and possibly go down the route because they were fed biased and unfactul information.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another?

You can find the content of the leaflet online should you so wish..."

So unless the vote no brigade get to leaflet drop everyone too - it's not exactly truly democratic is it ! And people think propaganda doesn't exist. It's alive and kicking.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I wouldn't mind a leaflet setting out the facts but not what looks like a biased scaremongering piece of pro-EU propoganda.

Cameron's antics is making me, an undecided voter, think about voting for 'out' simply as an exercise in armchair anarchy and as a determination not to be influenced by his scare tactics.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

That's an awful lot of duck islands in a moat.....

and about the price of a large shed in London.

I'd have rather have had two large sheds.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

2013.... there's no money left... article.

Whether one agrees with that or not, it would indicate that there is (at least some) money left. Here are a few other things that £10 million might buy:

177,777 jobseekers’ allowance claims of £56.25 for one week

Two years of foreign aid to Iraq

152 MPs’ salaries

The upkeep and maintenance of England’s cathedrals for one year

1,999 students’ annual tuition fees

25,773 household electricity and water bills for one year

Double the UK’s funding for global human rights projects on sexual violence against women and girls

Pay for the monarchy for three months

Double the funding designed to boost innovation in offshore wind turbines.

269 paramedics

322 nurses for one year on £31,095 each

Buy two tonnes of European white truffles (£2,300 a pound)

A mortgage on Dracula’s Castle in Romania (full value £86 million).

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By *rightonfranceMan
over a year ago

brighton - chalais france

The above is all well and good and of course humanitarian but to my min 10M would buy me a fucking great super yacht, and enough girlies to enjoy myself for a considerable time..

Let the slagging off begin

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Shit, Does that really say that 10m pays for the Monarchy for 3 months ?

Then leaflet the country and don't give the royals a penny.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Shit, Does that really say that 10m pays for the Monarchy for 3 months ?

Then leaflet the country and don't give the royals a penny."

Did you know that Prince Charles, from the Duchy of Cornwall estates, gets £500,000 a year from people who die intestate?

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By *educedWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?"

Giving me and others our jobs back! Selfish I know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe pursuing all those millionaires with money tucked away in Panama. Should be a good return for the taxpayer.

What will they pursue them for? They've done nothing illegal.

This is true, but I think its wrong

I think eating sprouts is wrong, but I'm not going to pursue people who do that.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Maybe pursuing all those millionaires with money tucked away in Panama. Should be a good return for the taxpayer.

What will they pursue them for? They've done nothing illegal.

This is true, but I think its wrong

I think eating sprouts is wrong, but I'm not going to pursue people who do that."

I think sprout hating should be illegal.

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By *reenEyedWifeCouple
over a year ago

Market Harborough

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another? "

Best response so far.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By *uperock99Man
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?"
Well there can be many things that can be better spent on but the government are there to screw you not help you, after all it's not their money they are spending, it's YOURS the tax payer's (the mug) they just demand more tax when they run out of money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a campaign going on that says we should all post these flyers back with "Return to sender" on them.

I have just done mine.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"There is a campaign going on that says we should all post these flyers back with "Return to sender" on them.

I have just done mine. "

Oh. I see that there London got them first then ?

Typical

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one.

I have to agree no one has given me a reasonable arguement stating the pro's and con's for staying in or leaving. "

We'll, just off the top of my head, I can give you three reasons to leave.

One. The security services of Europe now believe as many as 1000 " immigrants" coming into Europe may actually be people returning from Syria etc here they were trained to carry out terrorist attacks, due to the open borders policy they can't catch them.

Two.

Port Talbot steelworks (16000 jobs) cannot be helped financially by the govt as it is against eu rules.

Three.

Same for the new racetrack which was to be built in South Wales (4000 jobs).

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

it was never going to be impartial given the one's holding the public purse strings are desperate to stay in power post the referendum, seems to be more about their own status quo than the allegedly amended EU status quo..

it smacks of fear that they wont give an impartial perspective, a bit of a desperate act maybe..

after all if your solid and sure of your position you've surely nothing to fear in the populace hearing the other side of the argument..???

mine is being returned marked 'personal for' our Dave..

i am an 'in' btw but starting to wonder..

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"2013.... there's no money left... article.

Whether one agrees with that or not, it would indicate that there is (at least some) money left. Here are a few other things that £10 million might buy:

177,777 jobseekers’ allowance claims of £56.25 for one week

Two years of foreign aid to Iraq

152 MPs’ salaries

The upkeep and maintenance of England’s cathedrals for one year

1,999 students’ annual tuition fees

25,773 household electricity and water bills for one year

Double the UK’s funding for global human rights projects on sexual violence against women and girls

Pay for the monarchy for three months

Double the funding designed to boost innovation in offshore wind turbines.

269 paramedics

322 nurses for one year on £31,095 each

Buy two tonnes of European white truffles (£2,300 a pound)

A mortgage on Dracula’s Castle in Romania (full value £86 million)."

Or if you want some real perspective on the figures, since 2006 it cost the UK £15 Million every single day our soldiers were in Helmand province 'protecting' us...and they were there for 8 years.

Wonder how many of the people who think this leaflet is a waste of money think the Afghanistan War was money well spent?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is a campaign going on that says we should all post these flyers back with "Return to sender" on them.

I have just done mine.

Oh. I see that there London got them first then ?

Typical "

We are closer to Downing Street.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is a campaign going on that says we should all post these flyers back with "Return to sender" on them.

I have just done mine.

Oh. I see that there London got them first then ?

Typical "

Dunno what they've got, but the leaflets don't start getting sent out till next week

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Maybe they are posting all the post they get now back to the sender to be on the safe side?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's a terrible waste of money, but then I thin that about the entire referendum. Only about 4 people even gave a shit about the EU until it all got whipped up, and now we're going to spend millions on millions having an unnecessary referendum because Cameron didn't just tell the eurosceptics to piss off and let the voters decide about it at the general election.

And then if we vote to leave we are going to spend billions upon billions and years upon years making a lot of lawyers very rich drawing up all the new trade agreements and everything.

This whole thing is a massive cost with no benefit as opposed to a massive cost that at least brings some benefits (ie the eu)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree about the lack of info, but this isn't about providing balanced information to help inform people's decision. This is about lobbying one side of the argument and for that reason alone I'm inclined to throw it straight in the bin.

As things standard the basis of my decision will be made on doing the opposite to the people I trust the least, of which Cameron & Osbourne sit at the top of the pile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe pursuing all those millionaires with money tucked away in Panama. Should be a good return for the taxpayer.

What will they pursue them for? They've done nothing illegal."
You really believe that ?

Al Capone served life for tax evasion.

Our government will not spend money investigating those they make it easy for

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I agree about the lack of info, but this isn't about providing balanced information to help inform people's decision. This is about lobbying one side of the argument and for that reason alone I'm inclined to throw it straight in the bin.

As things standard the basis of my decision will be made on doing the opposite to the people I trust the least, of which Cameron & Osbourne sit at the top of the pile."

Don't put it in the bin. Send it back to Dave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As things standard the basis of my decision will be made on doing the opposite to the people I trust the least, of which Cameron & Osbourne sit at the top of the pile.

Don't put it in the bin. Send it back to Dave.

I actually will

I hope there's a massive campaign for others to do the same too

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Leaflets through my door today:

1. 4 page, single fold A5 size stating it will give me the unbiased FACTS for both in and out. The back of this leaflet offers me the chance to attend a seminar to learn these facts for the small fee of £9.99.

2. Standard GO flyer.

3. Full colour flyer setting out the Bible's position on our membership of the EU.

It would seem God anticipated this.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

To all those saying return to sender, do you really want to incur those extra costs? It has to be paid for and if you really thing it was a waste of money, then you are just as bad!

As for the leaflet itself, I think it is a good idea to have this. That gives the Government view, but it also allows the "Leave" campaign something to answer. But I guess they don't like it because they can't just make up shit to answer it, because we and the press will already have checked the facts!

So, stop making silly comments like children and engage the brain you were given!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Nine days for the steel works.

It really is beginning to feel like Dave and Gideon want to hand the Leave Campaign a win.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"To all those saying return to sender, do you really want to incur those extra costs? It has to be paid for and if you really thing it was a waste of money, then you are just as bad!

So, stop making silly comments like children and engage the brain you were given!

The Stay campaign gets to spend another £7+m of public money when we enter the campaign period, as does the Leave campaign. So we're in for £25m of leaflets etc. but the bulk of the spend is on Stay.

I'm for staying but I don't think that is fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaflets through my door today:

2. Standard GO flyer.

3. Full colour flyer setting out the Bible's position on our membership of the EU.

It would seem God anticipated this.

Really? I've had a grand total of zero leaflets and flyers about it all so far.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To all those saying return to sender, do you really want to incur those extra costs? It has to be paid for and if you really thing it was a waste of money, then you are just as bad!

So, stop making silly comments like children and engage the brain you were given!

Well I'm no expert on this but wasn't Royal Mail privatised? So how does that incur extra costs?

I'm going to return it to sender for a few reasons:

1. As a protest against the use of public funds in this way

2. I think publicly funded information should be impartial of political viewpoints

3. It will make me smile knowing how much it will irritate you

I hope you will engage your own brain to consider why there might be so much effort towards one side of the debate... if you come up with something please share because I don't know..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"To all those saying return to sender, do you really want to incur those extra costs? It has to be paid for and if you really thing it was a waste of money, then you are just as bad!

So, stop making silly comments like children and engage the brain you were given!

Its not about the money per se its about the lack of any fairness by the Government and yes i accept they are firmly in favour of staying so wont do otherwise..

if you think its fair that they've used 9.3 million on one sided 'info' then fine but allow others the opinion of thinking it stinks, and i am at present for staying in..

it's like 2 boxers in the ring but one cos his Dad owns the venue is allowed to lay some punches before the bell goes unchallenged..

and thanks for the lecture too..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Leaflets through my door today:

2. Standard GO flyer.

3. Full colour flyer setting out the Bible's position on our membership of the EU.

It would seem God anticipated this.

Really? I've had a grand total of zero leaflets and flyers about it all so far. "

You obviously need an Evangelical church with a bee in its bonnet about the EU near you.

Perhaps you could offer your area an unmissable opportunity to leave the FACTS for a knockdown price of a £5 (you are Oop North and things are cheaper up there

I've been getting GO and LeaveEU leaflets for at least 2 weeks. I haven't noticed any remain ones.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaflets through my door today:

2. Standard GO flyer.

3. Full colour flyer setting out the Bible's position on our membership of the EU.

It would seem God anticipated this.

Really? I've had a grand total of zero leaflets and flyers about it all so far.

You obviously need an Evangelical church with a bee in its bonnet about the EU near you.

Perhaps you could offer your area an unmissable opportunity to leave the FACTS for a knockdown price of a £5 (you are Oop North and things are cheaper up there

I've been getting GO and LeaveEU leaflets for at least 2 weeks. I haven't noticed any remain ones.

It's like they know I've made my decision and they'd be wasting their money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies."

You dislike one politician so much you want to do what you think is wrong for the country just to try to get them booted out? Even though they've already stated they'll be stepping down within the next few years anyway? That's a depressing attitude (also depressingly prevalent.)

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies."

See my comment earlier in the thread. I am seriously beginning to think this is a ploy to get us to leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

If we vote to leave there will be no noticeable difference for at least a generation. this vote is on behalf of your grandchildren, so current personalities likes or dislikes make no difference.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

and to think it probably seemed a good idea initially, diminish the appeal of Ukip and quieten down the Euro sceptics in his own party..

now it looks to be more about staying in his job..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

See my comment earlier in the thread. I am seriously beginning to think this is a ploy to get us to leave.

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

See my comment earlier in the thread. I am seriously beginning to think this is a ploy to get us to leave.

nice try - call my bluff

The thing is that this has been intended for a very, very long time - so there is NO way that there hasn't been a huge amount of investigation into the impacts of what will likely happen.

So there ought to be all sorts of information... but it all seems very lacking.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

See my comment earlier in the thread. I am seriously beginning to think this is a ploy to get us to leave.

I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

See my comment earlier in the thread. I am seriously beginning to think this is a ploy to get us to leave.

nice try - call my bluff

The thing is that this has been intended for a very, very long time - so there is NO way that there hasn't been a huge amount of investigation into the impacts of what will likely happen.

So there ought to be all sorts of information... but it all seems very lacking."

There's loads of information out there. It feels like a book a week hearing the different interviews with the latest author. The real issue is that there isn't a right or wrong answer, just a better for now or better for later answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

If we vote to leave there will be no noticeable difference for at least a generation. this vote is on behalf of your grandchildren, so current personalities likes or dislikes make no difference. "

I'm only 31, it's going to fuck stuff up in my lifetime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's loads of information out there. It feels like a book a week hearing the different interviews with the latest author. The real issue is that there isn't a right or wrong answer, just a better for now or better for later answer.

What I meant was the presentation of the info. I want pie-charts and bar-charts, I want good hard stats, so far all I know is it costs us a fortune to stay in and it will cost us a fortune not to stay in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies."
.

Welcome to anarchy, we have one rule!.

Fuck em all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

If we vote to leave there will be no noticeable difference for at least a generation. this vote is on behalf of your grandchildren, so current personalities likes or dislikes make no difference. "

Won't somebody think of the grandchildren!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Welcome to anarchy, we have one rule!.

Fuck em all"

Swinger's anarchy. Nice..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Welcome to anarchy, we have one rule!.

Fuck em all

Swinger's anarchy. Nice.."
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Dave needs a good fucking!.

We discussed it during the last meeting

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I don't think there can be hard stats. It's like all data from economists, it depends what the variables are and how those are interpreted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Welcome to anarchy, we have one rule!.

Fuck em all

Swinger's anarchy. Nice...

Dave needs a good fucking!.

We discussed it during the last meeting

Well he's already had his go at fucking most people over

along with odd hog-roast

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think there can be hard stats. It's like all data from economists, it depends what the variables are and how those are interpreted.

and who's paying them to do it

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Centre forward for my team in January

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am very quickly changing my mind about my vote!

I think I will be voting OUT!

Not because I believe this is right for Briton, but because it is the vote that will do the most harm to 'call me "we are all in it together" Dave' and his corrupt cronies.

If we vote to leave there will be no noticeable difference for at least a generation. this vote is on behalf of your grandchildren, so current personalities likes or dislikes make no difference.

Won't somebody think of the grandchildren!!

"
.

... I'm laughing because it's tragic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dear sir/madam.

Facts facts facts.... Only facts matter and anyone not basing their vote on facts should be rounded up and shot for voting for something that will ruin my life!!!.

Yours truly the arch bishop of Canterbury

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They could fund the NHS for 50 minutes?

Or fund 3% of the wasted NHS cost because people don't turn up to appointments.

Or fund another year in jail for 240 people.

Or run Parliament for 7 days

Or, possibly most importantly, fund 0.06% of the annual cost of sales of cigarettes in the uk.

It is necessary to get things in proportion sometimes .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm only 31, it's going to fuck stuff up in my lifetime

Yes but it takes time to asset strip a country and fuck over a population. So you will be better off than future generations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They could fund the NHS for 50 minutes?

Or fund 3% of the wasted NHS cost because people don't turn up to appointments.

Or fund another year in jail for 240 people.

Or run Parliament for 7 days

Or, possibly most importantly, fund 0.06% of the annual cost of sales of cigarettes in the uk.

It is necessary to get things in proportion sometimes .....

Look after the pennies..

Austere times...

All in it together etc. etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Won't somebody think of the queuing involved at airports if we leave... Oh The tragedy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Won't somebody think of the queuing involved at airports if we leave... Oh The tragedy

I can already travel from Bristol to Gatwick quicker than I get through security

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"There is a campaign going on that says we should all post these flyers back with "Return to sender" on them.

I have just done mine. "

There is now an online petition against the sending of these leaflets funded by taxpayers money which has over 100,000 signatures. If I get one of these leaflets I most certainly WILL be sending it back to 10 Downing street with a note "For the attention of Dave". I suspect the other 100,000+ who signed the petition so far will be doing the same.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?"

I can't help feeling it will be biased anyway. Everyone is talking opinion/theory. No one is talking facts.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

I can't help feeling it will be biased anyway. Everyone is talking opinion/theory. No one is talking facts."

Depends on which facts you prefer tho', no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leaflets with reasons to leave eu?

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By *i-cambsMan
over a year ago

March

14 pages ? Thats 7 in english, 1 in welsh and the other 6 in lingo whose countries name ends in the letters stan !!!! Including wisbechistan near where i live lol

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

But I'd prefer the publication had set out (or challenged as appropriate) the facts being bandied about by both sides, not just one.

I have to agree no one has given me a reasonable arguement stating the pro's and con's for staying in or leaving.

We'll, just off the top of my head, I can give you three reasons to leave.

Two.

Port Talbot steelworks (16000 jobs) cannot be helped financially by the govt as it is against eu rules.

Three.

Same for the new racetrack which was to be built in South Wales (4000 jobs).

And then there is the £350+ million the UK pumps in to the EU every week.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

I think it's bloody imperative: leaving Europe may have certain,er, ramifications, and kind of vice versa in a way with staying in. I think they're obligated to do it.Public services are important, god yes, but so is attempting to educate people regarding such a potentially seismic decision.

What IS unfair is that there should have been an equal amount of money available to both sides to do their thing.

That's bad bad BAD!

Bit of a moot point anyway, seeing as no one can agree/ can possibly know what the actual repercussions(or benefits)are actually gonna be.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

If anyone actually wants to see the leaflet now, instead of waiting, it is available on:

https://www.eureferendum.gov.uk/why-the-government-believes-we-should-remain/

My main concern has always been the willingness for so many to unquestioningly trust what the newspapers tell them.

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone know what the opinions of the other parties are?

All we seem to hear is the pro and anti side of the Conservatives

I'd like to hear what Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens etc. positions are

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

https://www.eureferendum.gov.uk/eu-referendum-leaflet/

In fact, this link is more direct

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Does anyone know what the opinions of the other parties are?

All we seem to hear is the pro and anti side of the Conservatives

I'd like to hear what Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens etc. positions are

Lib dems: in

SNP: in

Plaid: in

Greens: in

Labour: split, but more quiet about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone know what the opinions of the other parties are?

All we seem to hear is the pro and anti side of the Conservatives

I'd like to hear what Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens etc. positions are

Lib dems: in

SNP: in

Plaid: in

Greens: in

Labour: split, but more quiet about it."

Labour certainly seem to enjoy sitting on the sidelines

I know that in Wales, if it weren't for all the European Funding through WEFO, our economy would be up the wahzoo

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Labour certainly seem to enjoy sitting on the sidelines

I know that in Wales, if it weren't for all the European Funding through WEFO, our economy would be up the wahzoo

The same goes for many other deprived areas, although the other side could argue that this money would come directly from that which we would have sent to the EU. I doubt that though, the first crisis in the nhs, and the money would soon be diverted and treated as general taxation.

A cynic would say the other parties are happy to sit back and let the Tories be seen to pull themselves apart...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone know what the opinions of the other parties are?

All we seem to hear is the pro and anti side of the Conservatives

I'd like to hear what Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens etc. positions are

Lib dems: in

SNP: in

Plaid: in

Greens: in

Labour: split, but more quiet about it."

I am an SNP member as is many of my Scottish friends,

I have yet to meet one person who intends to vote to remain EU

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone know what the opinions of the other parties are?

All we seem to hear is the pro and anti side of the Conservatives

I'd like to hear what Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Greens etc. positions are

Lib dems: in

SNP: in

Plaid: in

Greens: in

Labour: split, but more quiet about it."
.

It's the only subject that all parties agree on!.

I'm not entirely sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As things standard the basis of my decision will be made on doing the opposite to the people I trust the least, of which Cameron & Osbourne sit at the top of the pile.

Don't put it in the bin. Send it back to Dave.

I actually will

I hope there's a massive campaign for others to do the same too"

Don't Bin it, Send it right back to Westminster,

if everyone in UK done this, their mailing office would be in chaos

send it back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OUT

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

I am an SNP member as is many of my Scottish friends,

I have yet to meet one person who intends to vote to remain EU "

I was only giving the party line.

There is a school of thought amongst hard-line nats that a vote to leave the eu gives a second chance for a new independence referendum.

It is interesting that Nicola doesn't seem to like that prospect much, now the oil price has 'dipped', so will be asking you to vote to stay in.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

It's the only subject that all parties agree on!.

I'm not entirely sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing

True, almost makes you think the answer must be obvious!

To be fair, UKIP want 'out'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am an SNP member as is many of my Scottish friends,

I have yet to meet one person who intends to vote to remain EU

I was only giving the party line.

There is a school of thought amongst hard-line nats that a vote to leave the eu gives a second chance for a new independence referendum.

It is interesting that Nicola doesn't seem to like that prospect much, now the oil price has 'dipped', so will be asking you to vote to stay in.

This will not be spoken about until after the 5th May, obviously the Scottish Parliament re-election comes first

I agree Nicola seems to think the majority of Scotland will intend to vote to remain, but in the villages & towns I visit, there are very few who wish to remain part of the EU

Perhaps someone should start a thread on the Scottish forum asking Scots views

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour certainly seem to enjoy sitting on the sidelines

I know that in Wales, if it weren't for all the European Funding through WEFO, our economy would be up the wahzoo

A cynic would say the other parties are happy to sit back and let the Tories be seen to pull themselves apart... "

Counts how many cynics there are, gives up as there are too many

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Counts how many cynics there are, gives up as there are too many

I just can't believe you got me in another politcal thread

To complete the list

Co-operative Labour are also IN

Monster Raving Looney Party (I kid you not) official policy is for "in, out, shake it all about"

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple
over a year ago

horwich

Word has it,the "government view" (read propaganda)leaflet was printed by Williams Lea, which is owned by Deutsche Post DHL...

No British owned printers want the work then Dave ?

You couldn't make this shite up !!

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"Flights back home for non-natives who break our laws"

Education for people that post shitty comments like this!

My mother is a 'non-native', came here at the age of 16, has worked all her life, paid taxes and put into the system, bought her house in cash after having nothing, not a penny and no education at all...no need to get her a flight as home is where she is! However, Englishman John 3 doors down hasn't ever worked a day in his life, went to school, had his free education, lives off benefits and handouts (my money and my mothers as well as many others), stands outside smoking most of the time and completely abuses the system when there is nothing wrong with him...he's also a racist cunt and an EDL supporter who has this attitude of 'anything that goes wrong, let's blame foreigners'...forgetting how foreigners got here in the first place (or probably hasn't got a clue cos he's busy watching Jeremy Kyle)...who needs to go home exactly? Are either of them breaking the law? Does one deserve to be here purely because he was born here? All bullshit questions but valid to the point I'm making after reading so many similar comments with crappy, narrow minded, intolerable attitudes...anger should go where it needs to go, not people who have fuck all to do with the running of this country and are just living their lives!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Flights back home for non-natives who break our laws

Education for people that post shitty comments like this!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you or I consider good or bad

what may be a shitty post to you, may be agreeable to others, that is why we have forum's and opinions

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"Flights back home for non-natives who break our laws

Education for people that post shitty comments like this!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you or I consider good or bad

what may be a shitty post to you, may be agreeable to others, that is why we have forum's and opinions"

I'm well aware of that hence posting my opinion on the comment I thought was, a shit one! I've just read too many of these 'send em back' comments on here recently and aired my thoughts on them as they influence people and spread hate which is not helpful or beneficial to anyone! Post on a forum and you're allowing your opinion to be debated, I'm happy for that to happen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Eu vote has nothing to do with the goverment. It is cross party and should not use public money to sway the vote.

I have come to the conclusion it wont matter what people vote we will be stopping in.

Big buisness wants it and so do the unions as they have riden the gravy train so long they cant afford to get off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?"

not a problem, I am posting mine straight back to Westminster when it arrives as are many others

Looks like Westminster will be inundated with mail very shortly

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's good to spend this if they view significantly higher financial gains from staying in Europe.

There are always 'better' things for money to be spent upon but we don't as a culture or individuals just spend our money upon the one best thing and nothing else. L

We're obviously a nation divided upon what to do. There are likely millions of us who have insufficient time or expertise to unravel the complexities of finance and other aspects that will be impacted by the decision so having a lead provided that's not a newspaper's opinion is a potentially supportive approach.

If this is perhaps the most important vote in a generation, all the more reason to educate and inform those who have such a profound decision to take.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It's good to spend this if they view significantly higher financial gains from staying in Europe.

There are always 'better' things for money to be spent upon but we don't as a culture or individuals just spend our money upon the one best thing and nothing else. L

If this is perhaps the most important vote in a generation, all the more reason to educate and inform those who have such a profound decision to take."

It's one sided propaganda though funded by the taxpayer. Cameron said he is sending out the leaflets because "people" had asked for the facts. On that basis the leaflets should have been neutral or the facts from both sides of the argument should have been put forward or had an equal amount of taxpayers money spent on each side. This leaflet is nothing more than pro EU propaganda.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"It's good to spend this if they view significantly higher financial gains from staying in Europe.

There are always 'better' things for money to be spent upon but we don't as a culture or individuals just spend our money upon the one best thing and nothing else. L

If this is perhaps the most important vote in a generation, all the more reason to educate and inform those who have such a profound decision to take.

The problem with that is most of the 'facts' from the Leave campaign don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. So it would be wrong to spend public money distributing them.

I suppose they could have just printed a sheet saying 'We don't like Foreigns telling us what to do, see!', and that would have expressed the Leave campaign fairly!

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By *afftypeMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another? "

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It's good to spend this if they view significantly higher financial gains from staying in Europe.

There are always 'better' things for money to be spent upon but we don't as a culture or individuals just spend our money upon the one best thing and nothing else. L

If this is perhaps the most important vote in a generation, all the more reason to educate and inform those who have such a profound decision to take.

The problem with that is most of the 'facts' from the Leave campaign don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. So it would be wrong to spend public money distributing them.

I suppose they could have just printed a sheet saying 'We don't like Foreigns telling us what to do, see!', and that would have expressed the Leave campaign fairly!

That's rubbish and you know it. I got some very good leaflets from a grassroots out (Go) campaign stall outside the betting shop yesterday in a very busy town centre. The Britain stronger in Europe campaign was no where to be seen (I've still not seen any of their stalls anywhere, maybe they are struggling to find volunteers?) so they may have missed a trick yesterday putting stalls out on grand national day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?

Would you rather people voted on the multi-multi billion pound decision without the information?

Or would you rather it didn't go to a vote and those elected people with the information made the decision?

Or would you rather we left the information to the national press which is biased towards one party agenda or another?

I agree about ensuring people are informed.. but this in 2016, not 1996.

A flyer linking to extra info online - an app etc. etc. etc.

Very hard to justify that cost given that most people are used to throwing junk mail straight into the bin nowadays.

Fair enough, let's just leave it to the Sun, Mirror and Star to give the info."
oh ok then, let's read dodgy dave's one sided bullhorn one off magazine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello Bything two,

we have been lied to by successive governments since Harold Macmillan about the European Union, not only the electorate but parliament also. Wilson's referendum of 1975, which was accepted by a majority but he didn't tell the truth then, do you think that there is any difference now? The EU has evolved for the worse since then and David Cameron will be under extreme pressure from the EU leaders to keep us in at all costs. The fragile EU will be even worse if Britain leaves.

OUT.

Alec

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

"The Eu vote has nothing to do with the goverment. It is cross party and should not use public money to sway the vote.

I have come to the conclusion it wont matter what people vote we will be stopping in.

Big buisness wants it and so do the unions as they have riden the gravy train so long they cant afford to get off."

Ah. The unions. Terrible when someone is fighting for worker's rights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's good to spend this if they view significantly higher financial gains from staying in Europe.

There are always 'better' things for money to be spent upon but we don't as a culture or individuals just spend our money upon the one best thing and nothing else. L

If this is perhaps the most important vote in a generation, all the more reason to educate and inform those who have such a profound decision to take.

The problem with that is most of the 'facts' from the Leave campaign don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. So it would be wrong to spend public money distributing them.

I suppose they could have just printed a sheet saying 'We don't like Foreigns telling us what to do, see!', and that would have expressed the Leave campaign fairly!

So why do they feel the need for this stay leaflet? By your reasoning they have nothing to worry about do they?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It's good to spend this if they view significantly higher financial gains from staying in Europe.

There are always 'better' things for money to be spent upon but we don't as a culture or individuals just spend our money upon the one best thing and nothing else. L

If this is perhaps the most important vote in a generation, all the more reason to educate and inform those who have such a profound decision to take.

The problem with that is most of the 'facts' from the Leave campaign don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. So it would be wrong to spend public money distributing them.

I suppose they could have just printed a sheet saying 'We don't like Foreigns telling us what to do, see!', and that would have expressed the Leave campaign fairly!

So why do they feel the need for this stay leaflet? By your reasoning they have nothing to worry about do they?"

They are doing it in sheer blind panic, as Douglas Carswell UKIP MP said on question time last Thursday night the government thought they would be 15 to 20 points ahead in the polls by now, as it is the polls are neck and neck and they are panicking.

While on the subject of polls a Hitwise poll showed the top five Internet searches on the forthcoming EU referendum all concern the UK leaving the EU, according to online data. The most common search is "Leave EU". Searches for "Leave" outnumber "Stay" by almost 5 to 1.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's good to spend this if they view significantly higher financial gains from staying in Europe.

There are always 'better' things for money to be spent upon but we don't as a culture or individuals just spend our money upon the one best thing and nothing else. L

If this is perhaps the most important vote in a generation, all the more reason to educate and inform those who have such a profound decision to take.

The problem with that is most of the 'facts' from the Leave campaign don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. So it would be wrong to spend public money distributing them.

I suppose they could have just printed a sheet saying 'We don't like Foreigns telling us what to do, see!', and that would have expressed the Leave campaign fairly!

So why do they feel the need for this stay leaflet? By your reasoning they have nothing to worry about do they?

I can understand that because people already know what it's like to be in and most realise that things will only get worse. They are looking for hope and something better. And will find it when we leave.

By the way, I reckon Holland will be next

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Said earlier in this debate there seems to be an element of panic from the stay camp, especially when the top 2 jobs politically are also on the line..

as a (still just about a)yes to stay i don't like it how the Government have only stated their own position and yes they were bound to do so but if they were so assured of their position then they could have put their own and an agreed opposing viewpoint from the Brexit side..

doing it the way they have looks like they are either not convinced of their argument or they are starting to get worried..

its not fair how they've done it and we like a bit of fairness..

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By *indy SometimesTV/TS
over a year ago

BoxHill

Look at the agendas of the ultra right an 1922 back bench supporters of Brexit and then decide, personally I despise the Torries but do feel that in our times of "austerity'" the money could have been much better spent!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"There is a campaign going on that says we should all post these flyers back with "Return to sender" on them.

I have just done mine.

The petition now has over 200,000 signatures, i have signed it and would urge anyone who is opposed to these leaflets or opposed to taxpayers money being used in this way to sign the petition. I can't post a link directly to the petition as its against forum rules, but the link to the petition is very easy to find on the following newspaper article....

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/659106/EU-referendum-petition-protest-David-Cameron-Government-pro-EU-leaflets-9m

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair, 9,300,000 to about 35,000,000 addresses is bloody good value. Bet Pizza hut want that sort of pricing on their leaflets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair, 9,300,000 to about 35,000,000 addresses is bloody good value. Bet Pizza hut want that sort of pricing on their leaflets. "

27,000,000 I think. Which works out at £3 each? Bit expensive I would have thought? And a pizza menu can be useful at times. Oh and you don't have to pay for them. Whether you want one or not

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

think i heard that a third of the cost will be for soshul meja..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair, 9,300,000 to about 35,000,000 addresses is bloody good value. Bet Pizza hut want that sort of pricing on their leaflets.

27,000,000 I think. Which works out at £3 each? Bit expensive I would have thought? And a pizza menu can be useful at times. Oh and you don't have to pay for them. Whether you want one or not

some numbers must be wrong then, 9,300,000 / 27,000,000 = 35 pence each, presumably that includes creation, materials and delivery.... not bad at all really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair, 9,300,000 to about 35,000,000 addresses is bloody good value. Bet Pizza hut want that sort of pricing on their leaflets.

27,000,000 I think. Which works out at £3 each? Bit expensive I would have thought? And a pizza menu can be useful at times. Oh and you don't have to pay for them. Whether you want one or not

some numbers must be wrong then, 9,300,000 / 27,000,000 = 35 pence each, presumably that includes creation, materials and delivery.... not bad at all really"

Oh ye read that wrong way round, thought it was a bit dear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's 9 million pounds of economic activity if nothing else.

I think it's a bit pointless to be honest, I think very few people will read it, and very few people of the people that read it will be swayed by it anyhow.

There's certainly more sway coming from newspapers!.

I thought the whole purpose of an independent bbc was so allow as unbiased coverage of stuff like this as possible, but they seem to be very lacking except for the odd story and question time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice."
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Yeah, I've spent more time than I should have peering into the abyss.

My honest advise is don't bother.

You won't find anything you'll like

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice."

In 30 years time it won't be the EU anymore it'll be called The United States of Europe, (if it doesn't collapse in on itself before then) something I don't want to be part of and just one of the many reasons I'll be voting Leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

got my leaflet this morning and promptly dispatched it to the bin where it belongs

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice."

R4, World at One is running a series covering the facts of the EU. Today they explained all the different parts, giving a pro and con approach.

My leaflet arrived and, conspiracy theorists take note, it was hidden in the SpecSavers leaflet. I've checked with my neighbours and they didn't know the leaflet had arrived as theirs was hidden in SpecSavers too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government will spend on a leaflet drop to support the remain in Europe campaign, on top of the capped £7million spend.

Other things £ 9.3m could have been spent on. ?"

I have an expensive shoe habit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice.

That speculation can come true, if it does and we are out of it, do we become Mexico to Frances California? And will you proudly pass on to your family that you voted for us to be second class citizen's with less working rights but more crime and poverty?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice.

R4, World at One is running a series covering the facts of the EU. Today they explained all the different parts, giving a pro and con approach.

Was reading in newspapers over the weekend a large amount of Royal Mail workers are not happy about delivering these propaganda leaflets. Some posties have said they intend to bin their delivery load of these leaflets in protest.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

For 'a large amount' read 'a journalist made it up'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

send it back, post it back to them

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice.

Well you just speculated too. It could go the other way in that the EU will continue to decline, Euro zone crisis will get worse and free movement of people in the EU will become worse once countries like Turkey and Bosnia join. While this happens in the EU the uk could prosper outside as a strong independent country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Postmen don't ditch mail they don't like, 1 it takes more effort, & 2 they risk getting the sack.

Bet it was that bloke down the pub who old the jornalist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well you just speculated too. It could go the other way in that the EU will continue to decline, "

Exactly not enough solid information. But the standard of living for most people in the UK is higher than it was in the 60's I. e. pre common market. And although our government have opted out of some workers rights on the whole we have more rights than they want us to have. And all in all a pretty good life.

So what does leaving guarantee me?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"So what does leaving guarantee me?"

The likelihood that people who support Brexit will definitely stay in the UK.

A miserable prospect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what does leaving guarantee me?

The likelihood that people who support Brexit will definitely stay in the UK.

A miserable prospect.

Cool, if we vote stay can we kick out Nigel Farage

Is that what the leaflet says

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"well you just speculated too. It could go the other way in that the EU will continue to decline,

So what does leaving guarantee me?"

It will guarantee you that parliamentary democracy rules and will not be subservient to Brussels. Leaving will guarantee you that the UK will regain 100% of its sovereignty which is currently being given away to the EU as a member.

On the better standard of living issue you bring up, for the most part advances in technology mean we have a better standard of living now than in the 1960's. If we never joined the EU we would still have a better standard of living now than in the 1960's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest I would rather they spent 60 pence or even a £ and predicted or at least tried to predict the possibilities 30 years after the vote.

I know it's a big ask, but it is bloody hard to find real facts amongst the opinion and rhetoric for either choice.

Or the other way around?

As Farage says, France is a wonderful country.

It should be, we've been subsidising it for 40 years

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Newsnight special tonight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our postie often apologises for handing over a load of junk.

He did the same today - "here's your post and here's some rubbish"

The govt. propaganda thing was in with the junk pile

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

£9.3 million or £9 . It really isn't going to make any difference to us. It wont make and difference because in or out of Europe we will still have to pay our bills and taxes while the rich pay others to hide there's .

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