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"Since my last foray into these threads for advice I have been able to set up a shell company in Panama. Now I just need some money to put in it. Any generous souls? "Door now open to "I have a large deposit for you" comments.... Not from me though.  | |||
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"Since my last foray into these threads for advice I have been able to set up a shell company in Panama. Now I just need some money to put in it. Any generous souls? ". I know where there's loads of shells if that helps with that shell company. Money im not great with | |||
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"Was on UKs biggest money laundering court case, on the jury. back around 2007/08 case was covered by panorama day it was over judge told us that shelf companies are the best kept rich mans secret(and legal) after the prosecution kept banging on for around 4 weeks about how its corrupt way of buying assets. needless to say, my home is under a shelf company, based in Gibraltar. thanks crown court, priceless free education!! which brings me to this leak, amazing most famous american is Tina turner, almost as if its been cherry picked, you dont think its only China and Russia that operate this way, its our banking system there using lol then you see the leak is supported by USAID (CIA) and OPEN SOCIETY FOUNDATIONS (George Soros) just part of the proxy war i think if only the media would tell everybody how we are real getting fucked up the ass, every one of us with our debt based currency, the biggest theft in history. distraction is bliss i guess ". What type of "shelf" company in Gibraltar do you run then and why did you choose to put your house through it?. What gains were you looking at making?. | |||
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"Was on UKs biggest money laundering court case, on the jury. back around 2007/08 case was covered by panorama day it was over judge told us that shelf companies are the best kept rich mans secret(and legal) after the prosecution kept banging on for around 4 weeks about how its corrupt way of buying assets. needless to say, my home is under a shelf company, based in Gibraltar. thanks crown court, priceless free education!! which brings me to this leak, amazing most famous american is Tina turner, almost as if its been cherry picked, you dont think its only China and Russia that operate this way, its our banking system there using lol then you see the leak is supported by USAID (CIA) and OPEN SOCIETY FOUNDATIONS (George Soros) just part of the proxy war i think if only the media would tell everybody how we are real getting fucked up the ass, every one of us with our debt based currency, the biggest theft in history. distraction is bliss i guess .
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"Since my last foray into these threads for advice I have been able to set up a shell company in Panama. Now I just need some money to put in it. Any generous souls? "My family have just died in an air crash and i inherited a large amount of monies. I just need your bank account details. | |||
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"its perfect legal so happy to answer if you look into you will find it helps with capital gains tax and inheritance tax to name few. just contact law firms in gibralter and ask them for advice. if you think its worth going into further then you learned something new. i had 4 weeks constant about shelf companys in court which the judge cleared up by saying its best kept rich mans secret, im not even rich! " . You don't pay capital gains on your own house though and it's really easy to avoid inheritance tax easily in this country | |||
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"According to the Telegraph, DC's dad's shell company paid no UK taxes on its revenues. DC inherited part of his dad's £2.74M legacy. I'm not sure what the law is on this, but I'd hope that HMRC is able to claw back the unpaid taxes from the beneficiaries of DC's dad's estate." Cameron will do the right thing, for the sake of all hard working tax payers.  | |||
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"New just in... Football in the spotlight: Fifa president Gianni Infantino has denied wrongdoing after leaked documents suggested he signed off on a contract with two businessmen who have since been accused of bribery. Hugo and Mariano Jinkis bought TV rights for Uefa Champions League football and immediately sold them on for almost three times the price. The 2006 contract was signed off by Infantino when he was a Uefa director. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35966433" News just in, you care a lot more about this subject than anyone else here | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?" I may have asked the very same question yesterday. Once or twice. Not sure if anyone noticed the use of my sarcasm font there. (Not directed at you Dee) | |||
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"New just in... Football in the spotlight: Fifa president Gianni Infantino has denied wrongdoing after leaked documents suggested he signed off on a contract with two businessmen who have since been accused of bribery. Hugo and Mariano Jinkis bought TV rights for Uefa Champions League football and immediately sold them on for almost three times the price. The 2006 contract was signed off by Infantino when he was a Uefa director. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35966433 News just in, you care a lot more about this subject than anyone else here " I'm just using to beta test my new sarcasm font. | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?" Of course you are correct in that we don't have the full picture yet, but what we can see so far looks very damning and has already accounted for the Prime Minister of Iceland. I expect many more heads to roll in the coming weeks and months. If you post a link to anything other than mainstream media or youtube on here, you get a timeout. | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?" . Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over! | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity? I may have asked the very same question yesterday. Once or twice. Not sure if anyone noticed the use of my sarcasm font there. (Not directed at you Dee) ". I noticed! I just applied the rule that women fools and children should never see a job half done!. Work out yourself what category you fall into | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?. Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over!"All of which can be perfectly legal and not linked with criminal activity. | |||
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"News just in, you care a lot more about this subject than anyone else here " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7riEN9D_qlg | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity? I may have asked the very same question yesterday. Once or twice. Not sure if anyone noticed the use of my sarcasm font there. (Not directed at you Dee) .
I noticed!
I just applied the rule that women fools and children should never see a job half done!.
Work out yourself what category you fall into"And yet here you are again..... | |||
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"Since my last foray into these threads for advice I have been able to set up a shell company in Panama. Now I just need some money to put in it. Any generous souls? "why not try crowdfunding? everyone is at it, apparently | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity? I may have asked the very same question yesterday. Once or twice. Not sure if anyone noticed the use of my sarcasm font there. (Not directed at you Dee) .
I noticed!
I just applied the rule that women fools and children should never see a job half done!.
Work out yourself what category you fall into
And yet here you are again....."Despite promising me that "I've done debating with you!" | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?. Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over!"Probably. I've said probably from the start. But... evidence? It's kinda required when accusing someone of a crime. | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?. Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over!
All of which can be perfectly legal and not linked with criminal activity.
"^this In many of these case I suspect foul play but without evidence, suspicion is all it is. Doing something that looks like it might be illegal and could be illegal doesn't mean is illegal. | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?. Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over!
All of which can be perfectly legal and not linked with criminal activity.
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In many of these case I suspect foul play but without evidence, suspicion is all it is.
Doing something that looks like it might be illegal and could be illegal doesn't mean is illegal."I can't fault your logic. 
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?. Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over!
All of which can be perfectly legal and not linked with criminal activity.
". Yes absolutely correct, just not probable!. Like I said there's a chance the naked guy with hard-on is campaigning for the boy scouts... It's just not likely | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?. Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over!
Probably. I've said probably from the start. But... evidence?
It's kinda required when accusing someone of a crime.". No not true!. I can libel Dave's dad as much as I like, he's dead, he can't sue. Now Dave himself I can libel as much as I like, it's up to him to prove what I'm saying isn't true! | |||
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"Let's not forget you absolutely condemned Jimmy saville with the same evidence. It looks like it is?. See this all comes back to your beliefs, you either think the wealthy are out to screw you sideways or your a deluded idiot who watches sky/fox!. Let me put it another way, I've got nothing against your position, I just think your wrong because you've bought into the bullshit" ....... it must be be a hard life ! | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?" Quite simple really, if you don't put a name to the accusation, being non specific it is almost certain that illegal activity has taken place. same as I can say someone on fab has just farted. .. with over 14,000 people online, I am probably right. | |||
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"Let's not forget you absolutely condemned Jimmy saville with the same evidence. It looks like it is?. See this all comes back to your beliefs, you either think the wealthy are out to screw you sideways or your a deluded idiot who watches sky/fox!. Let me put it another way, I've got nothing against your position, I just think your wrong because you've bought into the bullshit" To paraphrase Obi Wan, the farce is strong in this one. | |||
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"Let's not forget you absolutely condemned Jimmy saville with the same evidence. It looks like it is?. See this all comes back to your beliefs, you either think the wealthy are out to screw you sideways or your a deluded idiot who watches sky/fox!. Let me put it another way, I've got nothing against your position, I just think your wrong because you've bought into the bullshit To paraphrase Obi Wan, the farce is strong in this one. " . I'm just going of 400 years of uk history!. Hell don't get me wrong, let's hope the wealthy have changed their ways... I'm just saying I doubt it | |||
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"Let's not forget you absolutely condemned Jimmy saville with the same evidence. It looks like it is?. See this all comes back to your beliefs, you either think the wealthy are out to screw you sideways or your a deluded idiot who watches sky/fox!. Let me put it another way, I've got nothing against your position, I just think your wrong because you've bought into the bullshit To paraphrase Obi Wan, the farce is strong in this one. . I'm just going of 400 years of uk history!. Hell don't get me wrong, let's hope the wealthy have changed their ways... I'm just saying I doubt it" You don't look that old. Have you lied on your profile? | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity? Quite simple really, if you don't put a name to the accusation, being non specific it is almost certain that illegal activity has taken place. same as I can say someone on fab has just farted. .. with over 14,000 people online, I am probably right." "Almost" certain. I agree. It probably has. Probably is not definitely. And it doesn't make the act of keeping money in an offshore account illegal as some people are claiming. If they're doing it for the purposes of illegal activity, then yes, it's illegal. But the act itself isn't illegal. As for points made by others. In the Jimmy Saville case there was a lot of evidence given, by many, many people. I'm not how this is remotely similar. Let me make myself even clearer on the subject of evidence. In order to make any CREDIBLE accusation, evidence is required. That there is *probably* illegal activity going on here is not evidence. | |||
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"PS it is possible to believe that the wealthy have different rules to everyone else and are out to line their own pockets even more and think some of the things they do are deplorable AND still recognise that offshore accounts in themselves are not illegal and that we have no actual evidence of criminal actions yet." Yes it is | |||
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"I'm not willing to string up everybody named in the papers on the basis that they are wealthy and may have done something illegal." I am | |||
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"My questions of the day are how can someone who admits we don't have all the facts yet declare for certain that illegal activity has occurred, and why would that person be unwilling to provide reputable sources of evidence of that illegal activity?. Let me put in the words of dirty harry!. When I see a naked man with a hard-on and a machete in his hand chasing a woman down the street... I don't think he's out campaigning for the Jehovah's witnesses .
When your running your "income" through a shell company in Panama... Your really trying to fuck somebody over!"By the way, the quote is actually; The Mayor: Callahan... I don't want any more trouble like you had last year in the Fillmore district. You understand? That's my policy. Harry Callahan: Yeah, well, when an adult male is chasing a female with intent to commit rape, I shoot the bastard - that's my policy. The Mayor: Intent? How'd you establish that? Harry Callahan: When a naked man is chasing a woman through a dark alley with a butcher knife and a hard on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross. The Mayor: I think he's got a point. But I did like you changing it to jehovas witnesses. | |||
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"its perfect legal so happy to answer if you look into you will find it helps with capital gains tax and inheritance tax to name few. just contact law firms in gibralter and ask them for advice. if you think its worth going into further then you learned something new. i had 4 weeks constant about shelf companys in court which the judge cleared up by saying its best kept rich mans secret, im not even rich! . You don't pay capital gains on your own house though and it's really easy to avoid inheritance tax easily in this country" How in the name of the sweet baby jesus did I miss this nugget? You've been prattling on about how the rich are dreadful for reducing their tax liability, now you're telling people it's easy to avoid inheritance tax. Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. | |||
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"David Cameron is facing questions about his attempt to exclude offshore trusts from an EU crackdown on tax avoidance. The PM wrote to EU officials in 2013 to say trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency rules as companies. Labour said this showed he did not take tax avoidance seriously. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35983222" The Doors seems to be our resident expert on avoiding payment of tax. See above for details...... | |||
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"its perfect legal so happy to answer if you look into you will find it helps with capital gains tax and inheritance tax to name few. just contact law firms in gibralter and ask them for advice. if you think its worth going into further then you learned something new. i had 4 weeks constant about shelf companys in court which the judge cleared up by saying its best kept rich mans secret, im not even rich! . You don't pay capital gains on your own house though and it's really easy to avoid inheritance tax easily in this country How in the name of the sweet baby jesus did I miss this nugget? You've been prattling on about how the rich are dreadful for reducing their tax liability, now you're telling people it's easy to avoid inheritance tax. Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. " . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. | |||
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"David Cameron is facing questions about his attempt to exclude offshore trusts from an EU crackdown on tax avoidance. The PM wrote to EU officials in 2013 to say trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency rules as companies. Labour said this showed he did not take tax avoidance seriously. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35983222 The Doors seems to be our resident expert on avoiding payment of tax. See above for details......" . Whatever! .
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"its perfect legal so happy to answer if you look into you will find it helps with capital gains tax and inheritance tax to name few. just contact law firms in gibralter and ask them for advice. if you think its worth going into further then you learned something new. i had 4 weeks constant about shelf companys in court which the judge cleared up by saying its best kept rich mans secret, im not even rich! . You don't pay capital gains on your own house though and it's really easy to avoid inheritance tax easily in this country How in the name of the sweet baby jesus did I miss this nugget? You've been prattling on about how the rich are dreadful for reducing their tax liability, now you're telling people it's easy to avoid inheritance tax. Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. " A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal | |||
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"its perfect legal so happy to answer if you look into you will find it helps with capital gains tax and inheritance tax to name few. just contact law firms in gibralter and ask them for advice. if you think its worth going into further then you learned something new. i had 4 weeks constant about shelf companys in court which the judge cleared up by saying its best kept rich mans secret, im not even rich! . You don't pay capital gains on your own house though and it's really easy to avoid inheritance tax easily in this country How in the name of the sweet baby jesus did I miss this nugget? You've been prattling on about how the rich are dreadful for reducing their tax liability, now you're telling people it's easy to avoid inheritance tax. Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal" . I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities | |||
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"its perfect legal so happy to answer if you look into you will find it helps with capital gains tax and inheritance tax to name few. just contact law firms in gibralter and ask them for advice. if you think its worth going into further then you learned something new. i had 4 weeks constant about shelf companys in court which the judge cleared up by saying its best kept rich mans secret, im not even rich! . You don't pay capital gains on your own house though and it's really easy to avoid inheritance tax easily in this country How in the name of the sweet baby jesus did I miss this nugget? You've been prattling on about how the rich are dreadful for reducing their tax liability, now you're telling people it's easy to avoid inheritance tax. Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. " Tax avoidance is tax avoidance. It doesn't matter what the tax is. It doesn't matter what country it's in. It doesn't matter how big the sum of money is. It doesn't matter what political party it is. It doesn't matter if you like the person or not. For the avoidance of doubt, avoidance is avoidance.... You slate one section of society, but advise another that "it's easy to avoid". Super. | |||
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"David Cameron is facing questions about his attempt to exclude offshore trusts from an EU crackdown on tax avoidance. The PM wrote to EU officials in 2013 to say trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency rules as companies. Labour said this showed he did not take tax avoidance seriously. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35983222 The Doors seems to be our resident expert on avoiding payment of tax. See above for details....... Whatever! .
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"The question isn't really whether they are legal or not, but whether they should be legal. I vote no." Actually the question is, did the people named break any laws. | |||
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"The question isn't really whether they are legal or not, but whether they should be legal. I vote no. Actually the question is, did the people named break any laws. "I really don't know the answer to that question, and suspect it would take greater legal minds than we'd find on the Fab Forums to get one. I know that I think it's immoral, and many others do too. Therefore, a better question is - should it be legal? | |||
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"The question isn't really whether they are legal or not, but whether they should be legal. I vote no. Actually the question is, did the people named break any laws. "The people of Iceland think their PM did | |||
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities " "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? | |||
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"The question isn't really whether they are legal or not, but whether they should be legal. I vote no. Actually the question is, did the people named break any laws.
The people of Iceland think their PM did"And tbf, they would say they've done nothing wrong... * Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko says he has done nothing wrong, after documents suggested he had set up an offshore company * Hussain Nawaz Sharif, the son of Pakistan's Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif, and one of three siblings shown to own real estate through offshore entities, says "there is nothing wrong with it" * The UK tax authority HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) says it has received "a great deal of information on offshore companies" as it investigates - it is also asking the ICIJ to share all its data * Australia's tax office says it is investigating 800 individuals named in the leaks * Austria's financial markets regulator says it is investigating whether two banks breached rules on money laundering after being named in the leaks * France has opened a preliminary investigation into money laundering and tax fraud * Argentina's presidency has denied that President Mauricio Macri owned shares in an offshore company called Fleg Trading Ltd * A spokesman for Azerbaijan's president Ilham Aliyev, whose children are named as owners of offshore companies, says such practice "is not banned by any law", adding that they "are grown up Azerbaijani citizens" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-35960329 | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. " And if it's good enough for them, why isn't it good enough for us... a vice versa.
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? " Only if you tell me whether or not you agree with currrent UK policy, which you haven't on 6 occasions... 
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? " A lovely example of a non sequitur. | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlsd8RAoqI&nohtml5=False"Is that some reverse psychology joke or have you actually forgotten? | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? Only if you tell me whether or not you agree with currrent UK policy, which you haven't on 6 occasions...
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? " . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? Only if you tell me whether or not you agree with currrent UK policy, which you haven't on 6 occasions...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwlsd8RAoqI&nohtml5=False
Is that some reverse psychology joke or have you actually forgotten?
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? A lovely example of a non sequitur. "That man is robbing a bank! Quick, do something!! Nah, look over there at that kid pinching a penny sweet | |||
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"I seem to remember calling it "idiotic"... " Idiotic in what way? | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? A lovely example of a non sequitur.
That man is robbing a bank! Quick, do something!!
Nah, look over there at that kid pinching a penny sweet "So really you've not anti tax evasion, you're just anti certain people doing it. Glad we cleared that up. | |||
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"I seem to remember calling it "idiotic"... Idiotic in what way?" By making a system overly complicated you inavetently create loopholes that some people will try to exploit. | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? A lovely example of a non sequitur.
That man is robbing a bank! Quick, do something!!
Nah, look over there at that kid pinching a penny sweet
So really you've not anti tax evasion, you're just anti certain people doing it. Glad we cleared that up. "You seem to have your interpretation switch set to 'selective'. | |||
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"I seem to remember calling it "idiotic"... Idiotic in what way? By making a system overly complicated you inavetently create loopholes that some people will try to exploit." Which people? | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? A lovely example of a non sequitur.
That man is robbing a bank! Quick, do something!!
Nah, look over there at that kid pinching a penny sweet
So really you've not anti tax evasion, you're just anti certain people doing it. Glad we cleared that up.
You seem to have your interpretation switch set to 'selective'. "So do you agree or disagree with the following statement: The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich and certain cash-in hand tradesmen there would be no money in the public coffers. | |||
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"I seem to remember calling it "idiotic"... Idiotic in what way? By making a system overly complicated you inavetently create loopholes that some people will try to exploit. Which people? " Read your owns posts ffs, you've named most of them... | |||
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"I seem to remember calling it "idiotic"... Idiotic in what way? By making a system overly complicated you inavetently create loopholes that some people will try to exploit. Which people? Read your owns posts ffs, you've named most of them... " And many more to come, I'm sure... So you disagree with UK Tax policy. Ok. We have an answer. Do you agree or disagree that the rich withhold/hide more money than your small traders (co-incidentally, we've just had our kitchen done and ALL the contractors did it by invoice & BACS)? | |||
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"I seem to remember calling it "idiotic"... Idiotic in what way? By making a system overly complicated you inavetently create loopholes that some people will try to exploit. Which people? Read your owns posts ffs, you've named most of them... And many more to come, I'm sure... So you disagree with UK Tax policy. Ok. We have an answer. Do you agree or disagree that the rich withhold/hide more money than your small traders (co-incidentally, we've just had our kitchen done and ALL the contractors did it by invoice & BACS)?" I'm not really sure how you define this category of "the rich" but for the sake of progress I'd say that in absolute terms, the rich probably avoid more tax than tradesmen but as a percentage of income perhaps not. Just like in absolute terms, the rich donate more money to charity than "the poor" but as a percentage of income, perhaps not. Hope that clears it up for you. | |||
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Don't know, you've blocked us "I *never* block anyone - ne-ver! (It's one of my rules )
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"I'm not really sure how you define this category of "the rich" but for the sake of progress I'd say that in absolute terms, the rich probably avoid more tax than tradesmen but as a percentage of income perhaps not. Just like in absolute terms, the rich donate more money to charity than "the poor" but as a percentage of income, perhaps not. Hope that clears it up for you. " The top 1% is defined in the UK as anyone earning over £140k. There's a starting point. The amount of money donated by the UK’s richest people to charities has risen 21 per cent over the last year to a staggering £1.77bn, according to the latest Sunday Times Giving List. This sounds like cause for celebration, and rightly so; any donation to charity, no matter how small (or large) must be applauded. Yet a recent article from across the pond has been whipping up a storm by highlighting the ‘confounding’ fact that in 2011, the wealthiest Americans – those with earnings in the top 20 per cent – contributed on average 1.3 per cent of their income to charity, while in comparison the poorest (aka those in the bottom 20 per cent) donated 3.2 per cent of their wages to charitable causes. | |||
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"I'm not really sure how you define this category of "the rich" but for the sake of progress I'd say that in absolute terms, the rich probably avoid more tax than tradesmen but as a percentage of income perhaps not. Just like in absolute terms, the rich donate more money to charity than "the poor" but as a percentage of income, perhaps not. Hope that clears it up for you. The top 1% is defined in the UK as anyone earning over £140k. There's a starting point. The amount of money donated by the UK’s richest people to charities has risen 21 per cent over the last year to a staggering £1.77bn, according to the latest Sunday Times Giving List. This sounds like cause for celebration, and rightly so; any donation to charity, no matter how small (or large) must be applauded. Yet a recent article from across the pond has been whipping up a storm by highlighting the ‘confounding’ fact that in 2011, the wealthiest Americans – those with earnings in the top 20 per cent – contributed on average 1.3 per cent of their income to charity, while in comparison the poorest (aka those in the bottom 20 per cent) donated 3.2 per cent of their wages to charitable causes. "It's like the parable of the Rich Man and the Poor Man that Jesus told | |||
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"I'm not really sure how you define this category of "the rich" but for the sake of progress I'd say that in absolute terms, the rich probably avoid more tax than tradesmen but as a percentage of income perhaps not. Just like in absolute terms, the rich donate more money to charity than "the poor" but as a percentage of income, perhaps not. Hope that clears it up for you. The top 1% is defined in the UK as anyone earning over £140k. There's a starting point. The amount of money donated by the UK’s richest people to charities has risen 21 per cent over the last year to a staggering £1.77bn, according to the latest Sunday Times Giving List. This sounds like cause for celebration, and rightly so; any donation to charity, no matter how small (or large) must be applauded. Yet a recent article from across the pond has been whipping up a storm by highlighting the ‘confounding’ fact that in 2011, the wealthiest Americans – those with earnings in the top 20 per cent – contributed on average 1.3 per cent of their income to charity, while in comparison the poorest (aka those in the bottom 20 per cent) donated 3.2 per cent of their wages to charitable causes. "So my prediction was correct then? | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? A lovely example of a non sequitur.
That man is robbing a bank! Quick, do something!!
Nah, look over there at that kid pinching a penny sweet
So really you've not anti tax evasion, you're just anti certain people doing it. Glad we cleared that up. "Thought this thread was about the Panama revelations? FWIW All tax avoidance is wrong and should be investigated, but I do think that someone avoiding a million is worse than someone avoiding a tenner, yes. Is that wrong? | |||
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you" I think the fact is you maybe don't understand why it isn't illegal. | |||
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"The question isn't really whether they are legal or not, but whether they should be legal. I vote no. Actually the question is, did the people named break any laws.
I really don't know the answer to that question, and suspect it would take greater legal minds than we'd find on the Fab Forums to get one.
I know that I think it's immoral, and many others do too. Therefore, a better question is - should it be legal?
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"The question isn't really whether they are legal or not, but whether they should be legal. I vote no. Actually the question is, did the people named break any laws.
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. " I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system. | |||
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you" Morally wrong, but not legally wring, yes? Just so I'm clear about how you're defining the guilty and the innocent.  | |||
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That man is robbing a bank! Quick, do something!!
Nah, look over there at that kid pinching a penny sweet
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you I think the fact is you maybe don't understand why it isn't illegal. " . Is it because mobsters and corporations bribe politicans into stupid shit with part of their ill-gotten gains?. | |||
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you Morally wrong, but not legally wring, yes? Just so I'm clear about how you're defining the guilty and the innocent. ". No it's morally wrong to me Sure it's just highly suspicious activity from a bunch of people with history of being bad fuckers.. Just like Assad and Putin being suspected of being bad fuckers... It's not PROVEN!. | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system." . Yeah that's a great idea!. Although historically we tended to just have the odd revolution where rich people get... Errr well done away with!. Not that I'm advocating that either!... | |||
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"The simple problem is that if everyone conducted their tax affairs like the rich there would be no money in the public coffers. So we're still refusing to accept that some of the unrich are fond of tax dodging too? A lovely example of a non sequitur.
That man is robbing a bank! Quick, do something!!
Nah, look over there at that kid pinching a penny sweet
So really you've not anti tax evasion, you're just anti certain people doing it. Glad we cleared that up.
Thought this thread was about the Panama revelations?
FWIW All tax avoidance is wrong and should be investigated, but I do think that someone avoiding a million is worse than someone avoiding a tenner, yes. Is that wrong? "It is of you are going to feign moral outrage about it. The only difference is how much tax they had the opportunity to evade. | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system." Considering the democratically elected leader of the historically established popular opposition has been subjected to the most sustained media smear campaign in UK history for not being a right wing sock puppet in support of the current system, you don't actually know the answer. Try again. | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system. Considering the democratically elected leader of the historically established popular opposition has been subjected to the most sustained media smear campaign in UK history for not being a right wing sock puppet in support of the current system, you don't actually know the answer. Try again." By smear campaign you mean that they just quoted him and his colleagues... It's his own opinions that make him a laughing stock. "Um yeah let's build nuclear submarines but not put any nuclear weapons on them" and "let's put a self described militant vegan as the shadow secretary of farming" - no need for smear!!! | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system. Considering the democratically elected leader of the historically established popular opposition has been subjected to the most sustained media smear campaign in UK history for not being a right wing sock puppet in support of the current system, you don't actually know the answer. Try again. By smear campaign you mean that they just quoted him and his colleagues... It's his own opinions that make him a laughing stock. "Um yeah let's build nuclear submarines but not put any nuclear weapons on them" and "let's put a self described militant vegan as the shadow secretary of farming" - no need for smear!!! " . It's a complicated situation that allows political parties to cherry pick their candidates... Also it's really much easier to just you use a guillotine... Although I belive little Englanders preferred the axe or dynamite | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system. Considering the democratically elected leader of the historically established popular opposition has been subjected to the most sustained media smear campaign in UK history for not being a right wing sock puppet in support of the current system, you don't actually know the answer. Try again. By smear campaign you mean that they just quoted him and his colleagues... It's his own opinions that make him a laughing stock. "Um yeah let's build nuclear submarines but not put any nuclear weapons on them" and "let's put a self described militant vegan as the shadow secretary of farming" - no need for smear!!! " By smear campaign, I mean smear campaign. I don't mean your selective interpretation of events, no. And I disagree completely that he is a laughing stock - both Labour's increasing popularity in the polls amongst the general public and with the party membership confirm my view. But I have no interest in debating your opinion on the matter, so don't waste your time. | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system. Considering the democratically elected leader of the historically established popular opposition has been subjected to the most sustained media smear campaign in UK history for not being a right wing sock puppet in support of the current system, you don't actually know the answer. Try again. By smear campaign you mean that they just quoted him and his colleagues... It's his own opinions that make him a laughing stock. "Um yeah let's build nuclear submarines but not put any nuclear weapons on them" and "let's put a self described militant vegan as the shadow secretary of farming" - no need for smear!!! By smear campaign, I mean smear campaign. I don't mean your selective interpretation of events, no. And I disagree completely that he is a laughing stock - both Labour's increasing popularity in the polls amongst the general public and with the party membership confirm my view. But I have no interest in debating your opinion on the matter, so don't waste your time." What do you think of Dan Jarvis by the way? | |||
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you Morally wrong, but not legally wring, yes? Just so I'm clear about how you're defining the guilty and the innocent. .
No it's morally wrong to me
Sure it's just highly suspicious activity from a bunch of people with history of being bad fuckers..
Just like Assad and Putin being suspected of being bad fuckers...
It's not PROVEN!.
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system.. Yeah that's a great idea!. Although historically we tended to just have the odd revolution where rich people get... Errr well done away with!. Not that I'm advocating that either!... "So the reason you won't stand and fight the good fight is because you fear revolution?
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you Morally wrong, but not legally wring, yes? Just so I'm clear about how you're defining the guilty and the innocent. .
No it's morally wrong to me
Sure it's just highly suspicious activity from a bunch of people with history of being bad fuckers..
Just like Assad and Putin being suspected of being bad fuckers...
It's not PROVEN!.
Not proven, excellent!!!!! A bit like the current allegations then.
As I said before, I can't enforce my moral compass on someone else.". Nice try, let's be honest though, you do it everyday! | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system. Considering the democratically elected leader of the historically established popular opposition has been subjected to the most sustained media smear campaign in UK history for not being a right wing sock puppet in support of the current system, you don't actually know the answer. Try again." I don't need to try again, that is the answer. | |||
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you Morally wrong, but not legally wring, yes? Just so I'm clear about how you're defining the guilty and the innocent. .
No it's morally wrong to me
Sure it's just highly suspicious activity from a bunch of people with history of being bad fuckers..
Just like Assad and Putin being suspected of being bad fuckers...
It's not PROVEN!.
Not proven, excellent!!!!! A bit like the current allegations then.
As I said before, I can't enforce my moral compass on someone else..
Nice try, let's be honest though, you do it everyday!"The hell I do. I've never called anyone obtuse or an idiot before either. | |||
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" Make your fecking mind up. Honestly, you could NOT make up this shit, that's pure comedy fucking gold right there fella. . I didn't say he should, I said it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal.... That's not me saying it's the right thing to do!. A shell company in Gibraltar or anywhere else for that matter is also perfectly legal. I didn't say it was!!!. There's no need to add things I didn't say it was... Or we'd be here all day!.... What I actually wrote was it's very likely a cover for illegal tax evading, money laundering and all sorts of shit illegal activities "it's unnecessary to use a shell in Gibraltar to avoid inheritance tax on your house, there's already easier ways that are perfectly legal...." so your not saying that shell company use is illegal... or are you just saying that there are other ways that are legal... but not mentioning that shell companies are also legal? . It's there in the words... There's very easy perfectly legal ways to already avoid inheritance tax on houses WITHOUT going the expensive route of a shell company in Gibraltar!.... That's not saying a shell company in Gibraltar is illegal. However if your going that route of ultra secrecy, it's highly likely your upto bad shit..I mean your in a scheme with murdering dictators, drug dealers, sex traffickers, illegal arms dealers!!... Yeah you know the guys that like secrecy but aren't technically proved guilty of trafficking children.. Just your average cunt trying to evade tax by stashing wealth! . . Personally I think ANY avoidance of inheritance tax is morally wrong and should be made illegal.. Just to clarify for you Morally wrong, but not legally wring, yes? Just so I'm clear about how you're defining the guilty and the innocent. .
No it's morally wrong to me
Sure it's just highly suspicious activity from a bunch of people with history of being bad fuckers..
Just like Assad and Putin being suspected of being bad fuckers...
It's not PROVEN!.
Not proven, excellent!!!!! A bit like the current allegations then.
As I said before, I can't enforce my moral compass on someone else..
Nice try, let's be honest though, you do it everyday!
The hell I do.
I've never called anyone obtuse or an idiot before either.
". Nice one John Wayne .
Well maybe your the first person in history to never judge others morally....I just think thats as unlikely as most people doing "legal" things in Panamanian shell companies | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system.. Yeah that's a great idea!. Although historically we tended to just have the odd revolution where rich people get... Errr well done away with!. Not that I'm advocating that either!...
So the reason you won't stand and fight the good fight is because you fear revolution?
When did the UK last have one?". The good revolution?... There you go again judging my morals... Now get off a your horse and drink yer milk | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system.. Yeah that's a great idea!. Although historically we tended to just have the odd revolution where rich people get... Errr well done away with!. Not that I'm advocating that either!...
So the reason you won't stand and fight the good fight is because you fear revolution?
When did the UK last have one?.
The good revolution?... There you go again judging my morals... Now get off a your horse and drink yer milk"Good swerve, I expected no less. Not sure asking you when we last had a revolution is judging your morals though. My bad. You're good fun I'll give you that. | |||
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"well, well, well... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35992167" . . . We sat and talked of revolution, just like two liberals in the sun, we talked of woman's liberation and how the hell we'd get things done!..... Well well weeeeelllllll  | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system.. Yeah that's a great idea!. Although historically we tended to just have the odd revolution where rich people get... Errr well done away with!. Not that I'm advocating that either!...
So the reason you won't stand and fight the good fight is because you fear revolution?
When did the UK last have one?.
The good revolution?... There you go again judging my morals... Now get off a your horse and drink yer milk
Good swerve, I expected no less. Not sure asking you when we last had a revolution is judging your morals though. My bad.
You're good fun I'll give you that. ". Have you ever stared down a couple of hundred riot cops in full battle dress?, it's very very scary but a bit addictive!. Look around the world today, there's revolution in the air | |||
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"well, well, well... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35992167" and this means what exactly? the report also confirms that he paid the relevant taxes on profits gained form selling the shares. | |||
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Don't know, you've blocked us
I *never* block anyone - ne-ver!
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You can just gaze admiringly at my avatar if you like.
You look better or worse in some of your pictures depending on either the light or your weight at the time, it's hard to tell which. We'll fab the better ones so it's clear. "I made 1st page of top Fabbed pic yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUaDbRNJjpo | |||
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"The simple fact of the situation is that the tax avoidance schemes of the rich employed by the likes of Ian Cameron, father of Prime Minister David Cameron, mean that the burden of funding our essential services falls unfairly on the poor due to tax avoidance by the rich. An immoral situation. The avoidance schemes are currently legal - and they are legal because rich people like our Prime Minister David Cameron personally intervene to keep them so. So the real question is how do we make such schemes illegal, and spread the burden of taxation more fairly between the rich and poor, when the people with the power to change the legality of an immoral situation will not benefit from doing so. I know the answer to this one. Stand for parliament, get elected, change the system.. Yeah that's a great idea!. Although historically we tended to just have the odd revolution where rich people get... Errr well done away with!. Not that I'm advocating that either!...
So the reason you won't stand and fight the good fight is because you fear revolution?
When did the UK last have one?.
The good revolution?... There you go again judging my morals... Now get off a your horse and drink yer milk
Good swerve, I expected no less. Not sure asking you when we last had a revolution is judging your morals though. My bad.
You're good fun I'll give you that. .
Have you ever stared down a couple of hundred riot cops in full battle dress?, it's very very scary but a bit addictive!.
Look around the world today, there's revolution in the air "I've faced worse, far far worse. | |||
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"I have a Swiss bank account, does that make me wealthy? Depends on how much is in it" I intend to make tons of money soon  | |||
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"I have a Swiss bank account, does that make me wealthy? Depends on how much is in it I intend to make tons of money soon "So long as you a) pay your fair share of tax or b) reinvest AT LEAST 20% back in to social projects I won;t say anything. | |||
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"I have a Swiss bank account, does that make me wealthy? Depends on how much is in it I intend to make tons of money soon
So long as you a) pay your fair share of tax or b) reinvest AT LEAST 20% back in to social projects I won;t say anything.
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"I have a Swiss bank account, does that make me wealthy? Depends on how much is in it I intend to make tons of money soon
So long as you a) pay your fair share of tax or b) reinvest AT LEAST 20% back in to social projects I won;t say anything.
It will be about 50% for social projects. Animal welfare stuff and some children things. In England "I can live with that. 'About 50%'? | |||
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"I have a Swiss bank account, does that make me wealthy? Depends on how much is in it I intend to make tons of money soon
So long as you a) pay your fair share of tax or b) reinvest AT LEAST 20% back in to social projects I won;t say anything.
It will be about 50% for social projects. Animal welfare stuff and some children things. In England
I can live with that.
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"I have a Swiss bank account, does that make me wealthy? Depends on how much is in it I intend to make tons of money soon
So long as you a) pay your fair share of tax or b) reinvest AT LEAST 20% back in to social projects I won;t say anything.
It will be about 50% for social projects. Animal welfare stuff and some children things. In England
I can live with that.
'About 50%'?
Give or take the odd 100k "Don;t start haggling - rich people always end up paying proportionately less and we're supposed to be grateful! It's just rude. *tuts and gets off high horse* | |||
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"I have a Swiss bank account, does that make me wealthy? Depends on how much is in it I intend to make tons of money soon
So long as you a) pay your fair share of tax or b) reinvest AT LEAST 20% back in to social projects I won;t say anything.
It will be about 50% for social projects. Animal welfare stuff and some children things. In England
I can live with that.
'About 50%'?
Give or take the odd 100k
Don;t start haggling - rich people always end up paying proportionately less and we're supposed to be grateful!
It's just rude.
*tuts and gets off high horse*
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Labour has accused David Cameron of "hypocrisy" after he revealed he had owned shares in an offshore fund set up by his late father.
On Thursday, the PM said he sold the shares before he entered Number 10 in 2010 and had paid all UK taxes due on profits from the £30,000 sale.
He said the firm, Blairmore Holdings, had not been set up to avoid tax.
Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson said the PM had called people who invested in similar schemes "morally wrong".
Business Minister Nick Boles said "with the benefit of hindsight" it might have been better if the PM had revealed details of his shareholdings when the allegations first surfaced on Monday but he understood Mr Cameron's "natural human instinct to rally round his father".
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Labour has accused David Cameron of "hypocrisy" after he revealed he had owned shares in an offshore fund set up by his late father.
On Thursday, the PM said he sold the shares before he entered Number 10 in 2010 and had paid all UK taxes due on profits from the £30,000 sale.
He said the firm, Blairmore Holdings, had not been set up to avoid tax.
Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson said the PM had called people who invested in similar schemes "morally wrong".
Business Minister Nick Boles said "with the benefit of hindsight" it might have been better if the PM had revealed details of his shareholdings when the allegations first surfaced on Monday but he understood Mr Cameron's "natural human instinct to rally round his father".
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"Swiss banks now share information!. . . Just thought I'd let you know before you plan your tax evasion" Motherfu... Dashes to the nearest computer...  | |||
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"Swiss banks now share information!. . . Just thought I'd let you know before you plan your tax evasion Motherfu... Dashes to the nearest computer... "Don't confuse evade with avoid. Might be no need to rush.... | |||
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"Swiss banks now share information!. . . Just thought I'd let you know before you plan your tax evasion Motherfu... Dashes to the nearest computer...
Don't confuse evade with avoid. Might be no need to rush....". Can you tell me how you legally avoid tax's by using a Swiss bank account instead of Barclays on the high St? | |||
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"Swiss banks now share information!. . . Just thought I'd let you know before you plan your tax evasion Motherfu... Dashes to the nearest computer...
Don't confuse evade with avoid. Might be no need to rush.....
Can you tell me how you legally avoid tax's by using a Swiss bank account instead of Barclays on the high St?"No but Google can | |||
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"Swiss banks now share information!. . . Just thought I'd let you know before you plan your tax evasion Motherfu... Dashes to the nearest computer...
Don't confuse evade with avoid. Might be no need to rush.....
Can you tell me how you legally avoid tax's by using a Swiss bank account instead of Barclays on the high St?
No but Google can ". Having a Swiss account makes no difference at all, it used to before the Swiss agreed to exchange finical information because you could simply hide money there. Honestly if it was that simple, we'd all do it. | |||
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"Swiss banks now share information!. . . Just thought I'd let you know before you plan your tax evasion Motherfu... Dashes to the nearest computer...
Don't confuse evade with avoid. Might be no need to rush.....
Can you tell me how you legally avoid tax's by using a Swiss bank account instead of Barclays on the high St?
No but Google can .
Having a Swiss account makes no difference at all, it used to before the Swiss agreed to exchange finical information because you could simply hide money there.
Honestly if it was that simple, we'd all do it.
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"Swiss banks now share information!. . . Just thought I'd let you know before you plan your tax evasion Motherfu... Dashes to the nearest computer...
Don't confuse evade with avoid. Might be no need to rush.....
Can you tell me how you legally avoid tax's by using a Swiss bank account instead of Barclays on the high St?
No but Google can .
Having a Swiss account makes no difference at all, it used to before the Swiss agreed to exchange finical information because you could simply hide money there.
Honestly if it was that simple, we'd all do it.
I am sure when I looked into it 15 years back you had to open with £500,000
I opted for a Jersey offshore account instead, served a purpose at the time". There's still minimus but there's alot that aren't anything like that!. You have to earn a million a year to get a residency for Monaco but then the minimum house price is about the same and even then you very rarely actually live in the house anyhow, it's more like a po box for residency!.... Monaco is incredibly boring to live in but excellent for taxation purposes | |||
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