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"Just for the record. I never use the word cunt in polite company. Or cock come to that. " Granny Crumpet i think i love you - lmao - but back to T-Girls..... I've never been with one, I've dressed privately for men before (the lot: heels, stockings, sussies, thong, basque, LBD, classy wig and lippy) and quite enjoyed it, but for me it's the novelty that gives me a giggle. xDressing opened up more opportunities for meets so it was worth a pop. When I see a T-Girl dressed in public I have a strong, non-sexual *fascination* and i have to stop myself staring. Bizarre but it almost brings out some kind of weird 'mother instinct' in me - like as if I just have an affection for the guy/girl and i'm happy to see they look beautiful 
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"Trans as in Fatty Acid." or it also applies to any other molecule with an isomeric form, are you feeling the chemistry? | |||
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"I don't mind them at all (it's nothing to do with me) HOWEVER there are some who have seemed to make it their entire existence and rather than just get on with it they actual alienate themselves by making it solely their mission to point out they are transgender... it's the same with pride, I get that years ago it was taboo but now its 2016 there is no need to make it a sole mission." There's still a huge amount of homophobia in the world. No idea why you think Pride is a problem. | |||
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"I don't mind them at all (it's nothing to do with me) HOWEVER there are some who have seemed to make it their entire existence and rather than just get on with it they actual alienate themselves by making it solely their mission to point out they are transgender... it's the same with pride, I get that years ago it was taboo but now its 2016 there is no need to make it a sole mission. There's still a huge amount of homophobia in the world. No idea why you think Pride is a problem." I dont recall saying it was a problem? I was merely pointing out that people's attitudes have changed towards sexualities and genders etc my opinion is that we no longer need to make points about being transgender as I find it alienates the person even more from everyday society. This is my opinion and I accept it may or probably will be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time! Homaphobia still exists? I think you'll find its actually the minority now and anyone deemed to be homaphobic is looked down on by society. | |||
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"I don't mind them at all (it's nothing to do with me) HOWEVER there are some who have seemed to make it their entire existence and rather than just get on with it they actual alienate themselves by making it solely their mission to point out they are transgender... it's the same with pride, I get that years ago it was taboo but now its 2016 there is no need to make it a sole mission. There's still a huge amount of homophobia in the world. No idea why you think Pride is a problem. I dont recall saying it was a problem? I was merely pointing out that people's attitudes have changed towards sexualities and genders etc my opinion is that we no longer need to make points about being transgender as I find it alienates the person even more from everyday society. This is my opinion and I accept it may or probably will be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time! Homaphobia still exists? I think you'll find its actually the minority now and anyone deemed to be homaphobic is looked down on by society." What have I started lol Right I'm off to do my washing! FOR THE RECORD I SUPPORT PEOPLE AND BELIEVE WE SHOULD HUG A TREE. LIFE IS TOO SHORT! | |||
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"i think I muddied the water with talk of Xdressing......does the OP mean like surgical male to female......? I heard one guy lost a lot of his sex drive afterwards." Not wanting to appear uber sensitive, but SHE wouldn't have been a GUY afterwards, she would have been a woman. I know the majority of people don't mean to offend, they just aren't very aware of the issue, but it doesn't take a lot of thought to get that one correct. The hormones suppress libido. Taking oestrogen and testosterone blockers tends to have that effect, way before any surgery takes place. | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not "No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book. | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not
No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book. "I agree to an extent granny.We haven't had the life experiences, never had a period, will never bear children and quite a lot of us don't look particularly feminine either. Add the fact that most of us have had to live as men for a goodly part of our lives, then it's obvious that we cannot be like every other woman. However I, like most ts women have led a fairly tortured life trying to fit societies expectations of gender. Thankfully things are slowly beginning to change. I truly wish that I had been born female, but it wasn't to be, so I have to do what I can to make my body match my mind. Hormones and then surgery, plus the other procedures such as electrolysis and speech therapy. It's not an easy life. | |||
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"Same as with any person . I deal with each person on an individual basis not as a "category ". " | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not
No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book.
I agree to an extent granny.We haven't had the life experiences, never had a period, will never bear children and quite a lot of us don't look particularly feminine either.
Add the fact that most of us have had to live as men for a goodly part of our lives, then it's obvious that we cannot be like every other woman.
However I, like most ts women have led a fairly tortured life trying to fit societies expectations of gender. Thankfully things are slowly beginning to change.
I truly wish that I had been born female, but it wasn't to be, so I have to do what I can to make my body match my mind.
Hormones and then surgery, plus the other procedures such as electrolysis and speech therapy. It's not an easy life."I could squeeeeeeeeeeeze your sensible self xxxx I'll never know what it's like to have a cock and believe I am in the wrong body and feel trapped and alone...... I'm still a woman though xx | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not
No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book.
I agree to an extent granny.We haven't had the life experiences, never had a period, will never bear children and quite a lot of us don't look particularly feminine either.
Add the fact that most of us have had to live as men for a goodly part of our lives, then it's obvious that we cannot be like every other woman.
However I, like most ts women have led a fairly tortured life trying to fit societies expectations of gender. Thankfully things are slowly beginning to change.
I truly wish that I had been born female, but it wasn't to be, so I have to do what I can to make my body match my mind.
Hormones and then surgery, plus the other procedures such as electrolysis and speech therapy. It's not an easy life.
I could squeeeeeeeeeeeze your sensible self xxxx
I'll never know what it's like to have a cock and believe I am in the wrong body and feel trapped and alone...... I'm still a woman though xx "A transsexual has had operations to become the sex they feel they should be - that makes them the sex the change to - legally someone who is transsexual and has all the necessary gender reassignment is a different sex to that they were born with. It is completely different to TV/CD although I personally would refer to a person as they sex they outwardly portray regardless of what they kept in their pants but I am easy going and respectful that way | |||
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"For me, when non trans people are talking about this subject and are expressing a negative opinion, I would like them to try inserting female/black-ethnic minority/gay into the thing they are saying. If it sounds misogynist/racist/homophobic would you think this was acceptable and would you want people to have that perception of you. For some people trans issues are a new thing to get their head around and have no prior experience and may have never knowingly met a trans person, so it is easy to say things that for the rest of us are considered deeply offensive and transphobic, even if they don't realise that. So, yes, there will be a lot of people who immediately go on the attack when they see transphobia. Same as people will go on the attack when they see misogyny, racism and homophobia. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, maybe you should have a wee think about why. Why does it offend SO much. How does it really affect your life, and how much do you think what you are saying is having a negative impact on the person you are dissing. Trans people do not represent the entire population of trans people. You meet a transperson who was a bit of an arse? You just met someone who was a bit of an arse. Do try not to stigmatise a vast majority of people based on this. It just makes you look dumb Sadly, transphobes, like the misogynists, racists and homophobes rarely see this, but thankfully they are on the decrease." | |||
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" I heard one guy lost a lot of his sex drive afterwards. Not wanting to appear uber sensitive, but SHE wouldn't have been a GUY afterwards, she would have been a woman. I know the majority of people don't mean to offend, they just aren't very aware of the issue, but it doesn't take a lot of thought to get that one correct. " i take your point, Cat_57  | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not
No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book.
I agree to an extent granny.We haven't had the life experiences, never had a period, will never bear children and quite a lot of us don't look particularly feminine either.
Add the fact that most of us have had to live as men for a goodly part of our lives, then it's obvious that we cannot be like every other woman.
However I, like most ts women have led a fairly tortured life trying to fit societies expectations of gender. Thankfully things are slowly beginning to change.
I truly wish that I had been born female, but it wasn't to be, so I have to do what I can to make my body match my mind.
Hormones and then surgery, plus the other procedures such as electrolysis and speech therapy. It's not an easy life.
I could squeeeeeeeeeeeze your sensible self xxxx
I'll never know what it's like to have a cock and believe I am in the wrong body and feel trapped and alone...... I'm still a woman though xx
A transsexual has had operations to become the sex they feel they should be - that makes them the sex the change to - legally someone who is transsexual and has all the necessary gender reassignment is a different sex to that they were born with. It is completely different to TV/CD although I personally would refer to a person as they sex they outwardly portray regardless of what they kept in their pants but I am easy going and respectful that way "If only everyone was as tolerant as you .
I do think of myself as a woman, and I have changed my name and take hormones, but I can't just forget the first forty or so years of my life.
I've considered myself female for as long as I can remember, but when I was young, in the seventies, it was a massive no no to dress as a woman.
Thankfully things are a lot easier these days. It took massive courage to come out as transsexual back then. I'm afraid I just didn't have it.
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" I heard one guy lost a lot of his sex drive afterwards. Not wanting to appear uber sensitive, but SHE wouldn't have been a GUY afterwards, she would have been a woman. I know the majority of people don't mean to offend, they just aren't very aware of the issue, but it doesn't take a lot of thought to get that one correct. i take your point, Cat_57 " | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not
No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book.
I agree to an extent granny.We haven't had the life experiences, never had a period, will never bear children and quite a lot of us don't look particularly feminine either.
Add the fact that most of us have had to live as men for a goodly part of our lives, then it's obvious that we cannot be like every other woman.
However I, like most ts women have led a fairly tortured life trying to fit societies expectations of gender. Thankfully things are slowly beginning to change.
I truly wish that I had been born female, but it wasn't to be, so I have to do what I can to make my body match my mind.
Hormones and then surgery, plus the other procedures such as electrolysis and speech therapy. It's not an easy life.
I could squeeeeeeeeeeeze your sensible self xxxx
I'll never know what it's like to have a cock and believe I am in the wrong body and feel trapped and alone...... I'm still a woman though xx
A transsexual has had operations to become the sex they feel they should be - that makes them the sex the change to - legally someone who is transsexual and has all the necessary gender reassignment is a different sex to that they were born with. It is completely different to TV/CD although I personally would refer to a person as they sex they outwardly portray regardless of what they kept in their pants but I am easy going and respectful that way "Great. I refer to a person as they requested. REGARDLESS of what they look like on the outside. The point I objected to was ' they are just like any other woman' I fail to see how they can be. At no point did I say they shouldn't be referred to as women. | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not
No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book.
I agree to an extent granny.We haven't had the life experiences, never had a period, will never bear children and quite a lot of us don't look particularly feminine either.
Great.
I refer to a person as they requested. REGARDLESS of what they look like on the outside.
The point I objected to was ' they are just like any other woman' I fail to see how they can be.
At no point did I say they shouldn't be referred to as women. "There are biologically born women who don't ever have periods, don't have children and can look quite masculine.... Doesn't make them not women | |||
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"It depends on how you categorise it Granny (sorry, I cant remember the last bit of your username). If you are merely linking it to biology then no, we are not the same as pre menopausal females. But that is only one aspect of a woman, surely. Also, when having these discussions, trans men never get a mention. (I am aware the OP had specifically mentioned trans women). Would you also say that a trans man is not the same as a man? Not having a go, just curious" I didn't think for one second you are having a go Nancy. Discussion is the only way that we learn and adjust. I would say the same as I said to the comment about women ... You have worded it differently. The comment about women was..... They are just the same as any other woman and I said No they are not. If you are saying a Trans man is the same as any other man I'll say No he's not..... Though I'd have no problem what so ever accepting them into my life and i don't think their gender or how they got it would play as big a part as other characteristics. | |||
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"I don't mind them at all (it's nothing to do with me) HOWEVER there are some who have seemed to make it their entire existence and rather than just get on with it they actual alienate themselves by making it solely their mission to point out they are transgender... it's the same with pride, I get that years ago it was taboo but now its 2016 there is no need to make it a sole mission. There's still a huge amount of homophobia in the world. No idea why you think Pride is a problem. I dont recall saying it was a problem? I was merely pointing out that people's attitudes have changed towards sexualities and genders etc my opinion is that we no longer need to make points about being transgender as I find it alienates the person even more from everyday society. This is my opinion and I accept it may or probably will be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time! Homaphobia still exists? I think you'll find its actually the minority now and anyone deemed to be homaphobic is looked down on by society." You have your head in the sand if you think that. | |||
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"They are women just like any other women...some lovely...some not
No. They are not just like any other women. Not in my book.
I agree to an extent granny.We haven't had the life experiences, never had a period, will never bear children and quite a lot of us don't look particularly feminine either.
Great.
I refer to a person as they requested. REGARDLESS of what they look like on the outside.
The point I objected to was ' they are just like any other woman' I fail to see how they can be.
At no point did I say they shouldn't be referred to as women.
There are biologically born women who don't ever have periods, don't have children and can look quite masculine....
Doesn't make them not women"Well spotted. | |||
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"Been away for a while and glad to be back so jumping straight back in the saddle with a potentially controversial observation. We were out Last night out "Way Out". A big Trans (and everything else) party in London and had a great time. Very, very friendly crowd and as mentioned above, some lovely people, some bitchy people, some relaxed and some with chips on their shoulders. Just like every other cross section of society. On Friday night we were out in Birmingham with a crowd of trans friends. Now this group is largely made up of particularly convincing girls who get a lot of attention from straight guys and that's all cool. Most of the clubs we visit know us and regulars know the situation and almost everyone is very friendly and even a little fascinated. However there are some people who clearly have an issue with the "girls" and along with dirty stares and in-appropriate gestures go out of their way to "save" any straight guys chatting the girls from making an error in judgement by rushing over to point out the facts of the situation. And these people are invariably from one demographic. Less than attractive, single, straight, white women. Go figure. " What is there to figure out; it is bl**dy obvious; I've seen it on these threads a million times Same thing when the married men are slagged off by the single guys; they are up in arms as to why should a married man, who obviously already has a wife, should be permitted to take away even more of 'our' women.  | |||
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"Been away for a while and glad to be back so jumping straight back in the saddle with a potentially controversial observation. We were out Last night out "Way Out". A big Trans (and everything else) party in London and had a great time. Very, very friendly crowd and as mentioned above, some lovely people, some bitchy people, some relaxed and some with chips on their shoulders. Just like every other cross section of society. On Friday night we were out in Birmingham with a crowd of trans friends. Now this group is largely made up of particularly convincing girls who get a lot of attention from straight guys and that's all cool. Most of the clubs we visit know us and regulars know the situation and almost everyone is very friendly and even a little fascinated. However there are some people who clearly have an issue with the "girls" and along with dirty stares and in-appropriate gestures go out of their way to "save" any straight guys chatting the girls from making an error in judgement by rushing over to point out the facts of the situation. And these people are invariably from one demographic. Less than attractive, single, straight, white women. Go figure. " I'm 3 out of 4 of those and personally I'd probably be discussing makeup, dressing tips or flirting hopelessly. We ain't all bad 
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Vive la différence."Quite agree. Like I said, it's not that everyone in that group takes issue, but it's remarkable that everyone that takes issues for that specific group. I guess I find it's disappointing and amusing in equal measure. I've had some great laughs when responding to people who tried "do me a favour" and point out that I was barking up the wrong tree! | |||
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"my nephew was unhappy as my niece she is happy end of " that is lovely | |||
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"my nephew was unhappy as my neice she is happy end of " that is good to hear  | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. " By this reasoning, I trust you will never post or respond to anything in any thread ever. After all, no one but you cares what you think about your shit. FFS, it's a forum for a reason, if you don't want to read a thread. Don't read it.  | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. " Says someone who isn't a TV/TS and is in the gender group least likely to experience gender discrimination  | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Says someone who isn't a TV/TS and is in the gender group least likely to experience gender discrimination "that second point is debatable | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Says someone who isn't a TV/TS and is in the gender group least likely to experience gender discrimination that second point is debatable "You think men are more likely than women or transgendered people to experience gender discrimination?! Seriously? Two words. Male privilege. | |||
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"I don't see why it's such a big deal personally. They're people like us aren't they?" Dunno. What is the general consensus on FabS? Afterall, whatever the all-powerful omnipotent posters here will decide will affect their lives forever | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Says someone who isn't a TV/TS and is in the gender group least likely to experience gender discrimination that second point is debatable
You think men are more likely than women or transgendered people to experience gender discrimination?!
Seriously?
Two words. Male privilege."I meant just women, male privilege is bullshit. Is it a privilege to be more likely to be assaulted and killed? No point getting into it, we won't agree and it goes off the topic of the thread lol | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. By this reasoning, I trust you will never post or respond to anything in any thread ever. After all, no one but you cares what you think about your shit. FFS, it's a forum for a reason, if you don't want to read a thread. Don't read it. "Touche | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Says someone who isn't a TV/TS and is in the gender group least likely to experience gender discrimination that second point is debatable
You think men are more likely than women or transgendered people to experience gender discrimination?!
Seriously?
Two words. Male privilege. I meant just women, male privilege is bullshit. Is it a privilege to be more likely to be assaulted and killed? No point getting into it, we won't agree and it goes off the topic of the thread lol"Men are not usually assaulted and killed JUST BECAUSE they are men though, which is why that isn't GENDER discrimination.
If you try to tell me women, trans and intersex and anyone else non binary male is less likely to experience gender based discrimination than men, I'm going to laugh at you.
Of course, you've never lived as a woman, so you've never actually experienced gender oppression. But yeah, it's worse for men. Obviously. I mean, it's not like women needed a political movement just to be able to, say, vote, or anything, now is it?
With the exception of a very few things, there are no rights you've been denied just because you're a man. That's not the case for any other gender group. | |||
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I suppose you are an expert on what trans-people experience on a daily basis too?
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Says someone who isn't a TV/TS and is in the gender group least likely to experience gender discrimination that second point is debatable
You think men are more likely than women or transgendered people to experience gender discrimination?!
Seriously?
Two words. Male privilege. I meant just women, male privilege is bullshit. Is it a privilege to be more likely to be assaulted and killed? No point getting into it, we won't agree and it goes off the topic of the thread lol
Men are not usually assaulted and killed JUST BECAUSE they are men though, which is why that isn't GENDER discrimination.
If you try to tell me women, trans and intersex and anyone else non binary male is less likely to experience gender based discrimination than men, I'm going to laugh at you.
Of course, you've never lived as a woman, so you've never actually experienced gender oppression. But yeah, it's worse for men. Obviously. I mean, it's not like women needed a political movement just to be able to, say, vote, or anything, now is it?
With the exception of a very few things, there are no rights you've been denied just because you're a man. That's not the case for any other gender group."Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread | |||
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"Ah, right on time, another of the gender privilege deniers
I suppose you are an expert on what trans-people experience on a daily basis too?
Do you think they should stop whining because transphobia and discrimination is a minority thing now?"I never said anything on trans issues? You're like a politician, changing the subject to something else as you know your other one doesn't hold up | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. " Can only suggest you educate yourself a bit. Look online at the stats about violence towards trans people. Hell, listen to some trans people talk about the issues they face. You seem to have convinced yourself that the world is a tolerant utopia. It isn't. (Also, male privilege is definitely a thing. It doesn't mean men have it 100% easy and never face any problems, just that in certain ways being male is an advantage.) | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. By this reasoning, I trust you will never post or respond to anything in any thread ever. After all, no one but you cares what you think about your shit. FFS, it's a forum for a reason, if you don't want to read a thread. Don't read it. " | |||
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"Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread " Gender discrimination is still an ongoing thing, yes. Here in the West, yes. Now, yes. You can laugh. Why wouldn't you? You get the privilege and can deny it even happens. It doesn't affect you so of course you don't see it. I'm not having this debate either but if you actually believe that men and women are equal in this country, or anywhere else, and that male privilege does not exist, you are deluded. You could go and do some research, which would clarify it for you, but I know you won't because you don't want to believe it. Men experience gender discrimination in a *very* small number of ways in this country. It in no way matches the discrimination faced by women. It doesn't balance out, not even close. And why you would try to make this solely about women on a thread about trans people is beyond me. | |||
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"Ah, right on time, another of the gender privilege deniers
I suppose you are an expert on what trans-people experience on a daily basis too?
Do you think they should stop whining because transphobia and discrimination is a minority thing now? I never said anything on trans issues? You're like a politician, changing the subject to something else as you know your other one doesn't hold up "WTF? That wasn't even addressed to you! Not everything is about you, believe it or not. | |||
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Ok, not an original thing to say, and as with so many guys my desire is fuelled in no small part by the increasingly staggering standard of Transexual beauty and femininity display in the porn industry, so perhaps these desires are slightly unrealistic, but the thought of being able to indulge both sides of my bisexuality simultaneously excites me indescribably, the thought of a woman, so gentle, sweet and elegant, who is also blessed with a powerful, wanton and virile penis...it's libidinous rocket fuel for me. | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Can only suggest you educate yourself a bit. Look online at the stats about violence towards trans people. Hell, listen to some trans people talk about the issues they face. You seem to have convinced yourself that the world is a tolerant utopia. It isn't. (Also, male privilege is definitely a thing. It doesn't mean men have it 100% easy and never face any problems, just that in certain ways being male is an advantage.)" ^ this | |||
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"I don't see why it's such a big deal personally. They're people like us aren't they? Dunno. What is the general consensus on FabS? Afterall, whatever the all-powerful omnipotent posters here will decide will affect their lives forever "I see how you dodged the "C" word  | |||
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"Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread Gender discrimination is still an ongoing thing, yes. Here in the West, yes. Now, yes. You can laugh. Why wouldn't you? You get the privilege and can deny it even happens. It doesn't affect you so of course you don't see it. I'm not having this debate either but if you actually believe that men and women are equal in this country, or anywhere else, and that male privilege does not exist, you are deluded. You could go and do some research, which would clarify it for you, but I know you won't because you don't want to believe it. Men experience gender discrimination in a *very* small number of ways in this country. It in no way matches the discrimination faced by women. It doesn't balance out, not even close. And why you would try to make this solely about women on a thread about trans people is beyond me." Why you are always arguing is beyond me | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Can only suggest you educate yourself a bit. Look online at the stats about violence towards trans people. Hell, listen to some trans people talk about the issues they face. You seem to have convinced yourself that the world is a tolerant utopia. It isn't. (Also, male privilege is definitely a thing. It doesn't mean men have it 100% easy and never face any problems, just that in certain ways being male is an advantage.)" Your gonna be telling me father Christmas isn't real as well as this rate. I get their is prejudice but it's no where near what it used to be. Anyhow thanks for reiterating that I need an education. Much appreciated | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. " I agree with you .... | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Can only suggest you educate yourself a bit. Look online at the stats about violence towards trans people. Hell, listen to some trans people talk about the issues they face. You seem to have convinced yourself that the world is a tolerant utopia. It isn't. (Also, male privilege is definitely a thing. It doesn't mean men have it 100% easy and never face any problems, just that in certain ways being male is an advantage.) Your gonna be telling me father Christmas isn't real as well as this rate. I get their is prejudice but it's no where near what it used to be. Anyhow thanks for reiterating that I need an education. Much appreciated "*there* before you correct me on this also. | |||
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"Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread Gender discrimination is still an ongoing thing, yes. Here in the West, yes. Now, yes. You can laugh. Why wouldn't you? You get the privilege and can deny it even happens. It doesn't affect you so of course you don't see it. I'm not having this debate either but if you actually believe that men and women are equal in this country, or anywhere else, and that male privilege does not exist, you are deluded. You could go and do some research, which would clarify it for you, but I know you won't because you don't want to believe it. Men experience gender discrimination in a *very* small number of ways in this country. It in no way matches the discrimination faced by women. It doesn't balance out, not even close. And why you would try to make this solely about women on a thread about trans people is beyond me." Both experience gender discrimination. The fact feminists care more about what happens in the west then in third world countries says it all. I love my male privilege, more likely to be killed, more likely to commit suicide, perfect! I never said we have gender equality, and the original comment you made was about men, so obviously it's about women and women. There are obviously more issues faced by transgenders. Those two points and your last comment just show you'd make a great politician, David Cameron would be impressed | |||
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"Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread Gender discrimination is still an ongoing thing, yes. Here in the West, yes. Now, yes. You can laugh. Why wouldn't you? You get the privilege and can deny it even happens. It doesn't affect you so of course you don't see it. I'm not having this debate either but if you actually believe that men and women are equal in this country, or anywhere else, and that male privilege does not exist, you are deluded. You could go and do some research, which would clarify it for you, but I know you won't because you don't want to believe it. Men experience gender discrimination in a *very* small number of ways in this country. It in no way matches the discrimination faced by women. It doesn't balance out, not even close. And why you would try to make this solely about women on a thread about trans people is beyond me. Why you are always arguing is beyond me" I'm not. I've posted on loads of threads today without any hint of an argument. You just don't like my _iews on gender equality and so try, every time, to discredit them by accusing me of being an uppity female who's always picking on the poor men and trying to start and argument. That's the only time you *ever* complain about me arguing, on gender and equality topics, so it's not that I argue, it's that you don't like me disagreeing with men on issues like this. Another example of (some) men expecting the women to just shut up and put up with it. Basic, bog standard, controlling men, the women should know their place and how dare they question us bullshit. | |||
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"Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread Gender discrimination is still an ongoing thing, yes. Here in the West, yes. Now, yes. You can laugh. Why wouldn't you? You get the privilege and can deny it even happens. It doesn't affect you so of course you don't see it. I'm not having this debate either but if you actually believe that men and women are equal in this country, or anywhere else, and that male privilege does not exist, you are deluded. You could go and do some research, which would clarify it for you, but I know you won't because you don't want to believe it. Men experience gender discrimination in a *very* small number of ways in this country. It in no way matches the discrimination faced by women. It doesn't balance out, not even close. And why you would try to make this solely about women on a thread about trans people is beyond me. Both experience gender discrimination. The fact feminists care more about what happens in the west then in third world countries says it all. I love my male privilege, more likely to be killed, more likely to commit suicide, perfect! I never said we have gender equality, and the original comment you made was about men, so obviously it's about women and women. There are obviously more issues faced by transgenders. Those two points and your last comment just show you'd make a great politician, David Cameron would be impressed "You're not very educated on the subjects and that's all I'm saying because it's NOT EVEN RELEVANT HERE. I thought I knew it all at 19 too. | |||
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"Never still bleating on about this? This is what annoys me, it's made into such a big thing. No one cares if your ts/tv just get on with it lol and the people who do care in a negative way... they are definely in the minority. Can only suggest you educate yourself a bit. Look online at the stats about violence towards trans people. Hell, listen to some trans people talk about the issues they face. You seem to have convinced yourself that the world is a tolerant utopia. It isn't. (Also, male privilege is definitely a thing. It doesn't mean men have it 100% easy and never face any problems, just that in certain ways being male is an advantage.) Your gonna be telling me father Christmas isn't real as well as this rate. I get their is prejudice but it's no where near what it used to be. Anyhow thanks for reiterating that I need an education. Much appreciated "You don't experience this, how do you have a clue what trans-people face in terms of discrimination?! You may believe it to be better than it used to be. You may be right. You probably are right. But to claim it's now only a minority and not common or a serious problem... that is based on your perception and not any sort of fact. | |||
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"Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread Gender discrimination is still an ongoing thing, yes. Here in the West, yes. Now, yes. You can laugh. Why wouldn't you? You get the privilege and can deny it even happens. It doesn't affect you so of course you don't see it. I'm not having this debate either but if you actually believe that men and women are equal in this country, or anywhere else, and that male privilege does not exist, you are deluded. You could go and do some research, which would clarify it for you, but I know you won't because you don't want to believe it. Men experience gender discrimination in a *very* small number of ways in this country. It in no way matches the discrimination faced by women. It doesn't balance out, not even close. And why you would try to make this solely about women on a thread about trans people is beyond me. Both experience gender discrimination. The fact feminists care more about what happens in the west then in third world countries says it all. I love my male privilege, more likely to be killed, more likely to commit suicide, perfect! I never said we have gender equality, and the original comment you made was about men, so obviously it's about women and women. There are obviously more issues faced by transgenders. Those two points and your last comment just show you'd make a great politician, David Cameron would be impressed
You're not very educated on the subjects and that's all I'm saying because it's NOT EVEN RELEVANT HERE.
I thought I knew it all at 19 too. " Not denying that, but turning to insults show neither do you I'd love to see you go up against Milo that'd be hilarious. | |||
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" ... There are obviously more issues faced by transgenders. ... " Are these like the transformers? Kool; I want one too | |||
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"Again, I only said women. You've never lived as a male either. Men also needed a political movement to get the vote, it wasn't just given to all men, it was reserved to just the rich. Are you saying you're oppressed? Women I the west oppressed? I'm laughing so much my sides hurt lmao. Obviously you had it worse in the past but I'm talking about now. Men have it easier and harder in some respects, women have it easier and harder in some respects. Again I'm not going to discourse this thread Gender discrimination is still an ongoing thing, yes. Here in the West, yes. Now, yes. You can laugh. Why wouldn't you? You get the privilege and can deny it even happens. It doesn't affect you so of course you don't see it. I'm not having this debate either but if you actually believe that men and women are equal in this country, or anywhere else, and that male privilege does not exist, you are deluded. You could go and do some research, which would clarify it for you, but I know you won't because you don't want to believe it. Men experience gender discrimination in a *very* small number of ways in this country. It in no way matches the discrimination faced by women. It doesn't balance out, not even close. And why you would try to make this solely about women on a thread about trans people is beyond me. Both experience gender discrimination. The fact feminists care more about what happens in the west then in third world countries says it all. I love my male privilege, more likely to be killed, more likely to commit suicide, perfect! I never said we have gender equality, and the original comment you made was about men, so obviously it's about women and women. There are obviously more issues faced by transgenders. Those two points and your last comment just show you'd make a great politician, David Cameron would be impressed
You're not very educated on the subjects and that's all I'm saying because it's NOT EVEN RELEVANT HERE.
I thought I knew it all at 19 too.
Not denying that, but turning to insults show neither do you I'd love to see you go up against Milo that'd be hilarious. "See, you don't even know what an insult is! Something you don't like or don't want to hear is not (necessarily) an insult. | |||
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"wow..... ....if we all took a step back, maybe. Somebody get the OP - (although it looks like he regretted starting the thread from the off). TS/TV/Gender differences of opinion - wonder if the passion people have shown here reflects the passion in the mental conflicts a trans person goes thru.....hope not" I thought transgender men and women have nothing in common with homosexual men and women! So as a homosexual man, how do you have such insight into their 'mental conflicts'? | |||
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but from what Cat_57 i think was saying, the changing wasn't/isn't as straightforward (no pun intended), as a simple 'get on with it.' | |||
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"not sure i do but from what Cat_57 i think was saying, the changing wasn't/isn't as straightforward (no pun intended), as a simple 'get on with it.' "Don't worry; finding a FabS straight man is not as straightforward (no pun intended ); so you are OK | |||
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