FabSwingers.com forum: Does anyone else think

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Does anyone else think that if you vapoures your still classed as a smoker cause I don't class myself as a smoker yes there is still smoke that comes from it but it's not from a cig what's people thoughts on it

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Does it contain nicotine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's time for a fag

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I think it's time for a fag

Agreed!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Does it contain nicotine?

It does and it don't cause you can't get liquids that don't have nicotine in them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it contains nicotine then yes I'd class it as smoking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's time for a shag

if your offering...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I smoke when I'm drinking/d*unk,

I d*unk now and am smoking

I think I will change my profile to say am a smoker, It wont change my fab social life

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

Most people use them to stop smoking like I did and some people like them cause of the flavours like I do to

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour "

That's my thoughts on it to cos you ain't lighting a cig up or smoking a cig it's just vapour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

Most people use them to stop smoking like I did and some people like them cause of the flavours like I do to "

I'm wary of getting addicted to another set of chemicals :-0

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I smoke when I'm drinking/d*unk,

I d*unk now and am smoking

I think I will change my profile to say am a smoker, It wont change my fab social life

Terrible behaviour

(says the smoker)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's time for a shag

if your offering...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself".

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I smoke when I'm drinking/d*unk,

I d*unk now and am smoking

I think I will change my profile to say am a smoker, It wont change my fab social life

I wouldn't class that as a true smoker tho that's part time smoker lol

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By *angerousEyesMan
over a year ago

weston

"Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour

As some who has switch from smoking to vaping I can say though it looks similar and is probable the best alternative its a million miles from smoking.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself". "

What are you on about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself".

What are you on about "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

Most people use them to stop smoking like I did and some people like them cause of the flavours like I do to

I'm wary of getting addicted to another set of chemicals :-0"

I think anything is better than the chemicals that are in cigs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself". "

...and that's coming from a smoker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion"

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vaping is mimicking smoking so yes I still see the person as a smoker.

Also most people I know that vape have the bloody thing permanently stuck in their mouth like an adult pacifier & they still smoke.

Bizarre habit imo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours "

So you're now addicted to something else?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No. Smoking has been acquired over decades as the term for cigarette, cigar and pipe combustion inhalation of tobacco and similar material.

Consumption of nicotine via other methods isn't smoking, whether chews, patches or vapours.

When I use aromatic herbs etc with steam, such as eucalyptus, menthol or whatever I am not smoking, even though these enter my lungs and nasal or oral passages. Many people do this when congested and would laugh at the ridiculousness of thinking it's smoking. It would also be permitted in public spaces.

Anti-smoking zealots have pushed their obsession too far and it's become ridiculous at such an extreme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heroin was brought in to 'cure' opium addicts, methodone was brought in to 'cure' heroin addicts.

If you want to quit smoking then quit, dont try and tell yourself that you're doing good by still being hooked

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

Most people use them to stop smoking like I did and some people like them cause of the flavours like I do to

I'm wary of getting addicted to another set of chemicals :-0

I think anything is better than the chemicals that are in cigs "

Seriously?! You're worried about 'getting addicted' to 4 ingredients when you're currently addicted to up to 5000 ingredients?! Which include arsenic, battery acid, rat poison, tar...need I go on?!

And those of you who are saying 'just stop' you try 'just stopping' being addicted to one of the most addictive substances on earth!

I will continue to vape as long as I want to, as long as i'm not poisoning myself and others around me with cigarettes I don't care if i'm still classed as a smoker by some of you folk or not, because I KNOW i'm not smoking! The clue is in the word...vapour. Not smoke.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself". "

That's ridiculous

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

Most people use them to stop smoking like I did and some people like them cause of the flavours like I do to

I'm wary of getting addicted to another set of chemicals :-0

I think anything is better than the chemicals that are in cigs

Seriously?! You're worried about 'getting addicted' to 4 ingredients when you're currently addicted to up to 5000 ingredients?! Which include arsenic, battery acid, rat poison, tar...need I go on?!

And those of you who are saying 'just stop' you try 'just stopping' being addicted to one of the most addictive substances on earth!

Ps. I don't stink like a smoker either!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself". "

Ooh ..can almost hear a come back....nah cant be Assed! ..quotes the week willed fool!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour

As some who has switch from smoking to vaping I can say though it looks similar and is probable the best alternative its a million miles from smoking."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours "

nicotine free?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

Most people use them to stop smoking like I did and some people like them cause of the flavours like I do to

I'm wary of getting addicted to another set of chemicals :-0

I think anything is better than the chemicals that are in cigs

Seriously?! You're worried about 'getting addicted' to 4 ingredients when you're currently addicted to up to 5000 ingredients?! Which include arsenic, battery acid, rat poison, tar...need I go on?!

And those of you who are saying 'just stop' you try 'just stopping' being addicted to one of the most addictive substances on earth!

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Heroin was brought in to 'cure' opium addicts, methodone was brought in to 'cure' heroin addicts.

If you want to quit smoking then quit, dont try and tell yourself that you're doing good by still being hooked"

But they like the flavours...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't make me cough as much as cigarette and cigar smoke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are always saying you won't get as many meets if you are a smoker .

Well with just over 440 meets in 15 months , that's a load of bollocks .

So I'm just gonna have a fag and watch the rest of match of the day , while sorting meets for next week with those who say they won't meet smokers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are always saying you won't get as many meets if you are a smoker .

Well with just over 440 meets in 15 months , that's a load of bollocks .

So I'm just gonna have a fag and watch the rest of match of the day , while sorting meets for next week with those who say they won't meet smokers

Filthy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are always saying you won't get as many meets if you are a smoker .

Well with just over 440 meets in 15 months , that's a load of bollocks .

So I'm just gonna have a fag and watch the rest of match of the day , while sorting meets for next week with those who say they won't meet smokers

Filthy

On every conceivable level

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are always saying you won't get as many meets if you are a smoker .

Well with just over 440 meets in 15 months , that's a load of bollocks .

So I'm just gonna have a fag and watch the rest of match of the day , while sorting meets for next week with those who say they won't meet smokers

I think you're a 'niche market', whether you smoke or not is insignificant to the bigger picture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are always saying you won't get as many meets if you are a smoker .

Well with just over 440 meets in 15 months , that's a load of bollocks .

So I'm just gonna have a fag and watch the rest of match of the day , while sorting meets for next week with those who say they won't meet smokers

I think you're a 'niche market', whether you smoke or not is insignificant to the bigger picture."

That could be true , but we honestly have never had a meet request turned down because we smoke , and half the requests we get are from non smokers and those who won't meet smokers !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer smoking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I prefer smoking

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours

So you're now addicted to something else?"

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't see the point in smoking at all let alone them vapours

I think people are just bored

Most people use them to stop smoking like I did and some people like them cause of the flavours like I do to

I'm wary of getting addicted to another set of chemicals :-0

I think anything is better than the chemicals that are in cigs

Seriously?! You're worried about 'getting addicted' to 4 ingredients when you're currently addicted to up to 5000 ingredients?! Which include arsenic, battery acid, rat poison, tar...need I go on?!

And those of you who are saying 'just stop' you try 'just stopping' being addicted to one of the most addictive substances on earth!

Someone sees it my way good on you for putting that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself".

What are you on about "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself".

That's ridiculous"

Clearly someone who has no vices. Well, one if you count sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone else think that if you vapoures your still classed as a smoker cause I don't class myself as a smoker yes there is still smoke that comes from it but it's not from a cig what's people thoughts on it "

Yes: you inhale chemicals into your body and the most selfish "vapers" exhale all that crap over other people - the worst is when you see them stood outside in a public area and you see fuck huge clouds of chemicals being breathed out. I've seen clouds of crap being breathed out reaching 8-10 metres away.

Absolutely yes, it's still smoking. And it's still bad for you. And it's still selfish when you do it over other people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours

So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it "

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours

So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags."

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours

So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it "

Choice is yours to make.

How much does vaping cost?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it "

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it "

What's so enjoyable about flavoured steam? Seems a bit stupid and pointless to me whereas smoking, well that's just big and clever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand smokers, i just don't understand "adults" who are swapping one addiction for another. Man up n' give up. Or carry on smoking. Dont get addicted to "custard cream" or some other childish Bollox.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I understand smokers, i just don't understand "adults" who are swapping one addiction for another. Man up n' give up. Or carry on smoking. Dont get addicted to "custard cream" or some other childish Bollox."

Yep I agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it childish if he gets artificial hemp flavour?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I don't consider them smokers, technically, no, but it's close enough that I'd want to know about it prior to a meet and be able to make an informed decision.

It's still ingesting nicotine, so it still has some of the effects of smoking.

It's better than smoking in many ways, but I'm still not a fan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it childish if he gets artificial hemp flavour? "

because that would be cool #obvs

*note the hashtag to illustrate that I understand "cool".

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I'm addicted to garibaldis without being a smoker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it childish if he gets artificial hemp flavour? "

Adults don't do that do they? Do they?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm addicted to garibaldis without being a smoker

That's not quite the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think smoking has just adopted a different definition. If you are a nicotine addict, you are a smoker.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Ooh, hang on... sweetie and biscuit flavours, no calories, no sugar, no tooth damage.

What are a few extra chemicals when there are calorie free sweeties on offer?

Hmmm.

*goes off to google vape kits*

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I'm addicted to garibaldis without being a smoker

That's not quite the same. "

No?

I wonder if I could give up garibaldis if I start smoking?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pmsl...and actually ditto...jim fagbob......xx

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I think smoking has just adopted a different definition. If you are a nicotine addict, you are a smoker."

What about people who chew tobacco?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ooh, hang on... sweetie and biscuit flavours, no calories, no sugar, no tooth damage.

What are a few extra chemicals when there are calorie free sweeties on offer?

Hmmm.

*goes off to google vape kits*"

You can already get tons of sugar free sweets - just Google for diabetic sweets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If gary is a baldy..... so what..

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Ooh, hang on... sweetie and biscuit flavours, no calories, no sugar, no tooth damage.

What are a few extra chemicals when there are calorie free sweeties on offer?

Hmmm.

*goes off to google vape kits*

You can already get tons of sugar free sweets - just Google for diabetic sweets. "

Have you ever tried them? They're usually made with sweeteners that also happen to be laxatives. Diabetic sweets must usually be handled with extreme care!

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion"

This for me too plus e-cig still have other chemicals that can have side effects some have even been proven to be just as bad a cigarettes in the long term, newer studies are also finding they are harder to quit using than cigarettes and tobacco

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours

So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

Choice is yours to make.

How much does vaping cost?"

My ex found it equally as expensive as smoking because they didn't contain enough nicotine to feed his addiction so I could rarely stop using it, he's now back on the fags

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion

I am not addicted to nicotine yes it helped me stop smoking but I vapour cause I like the flavours

So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

Choice is yours to make.

How much does vaping cost?"

It cost abit but less then smoking does ones you have got your vapouriser that's what costs the most

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets."

I don't want sweets it's up to me what I do on one else

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets.

I don't want sweets it's up to me what I do on one else "

You sound a bit defensive. You did ask for opinions.

If I arranged a meet with someone who said they were a non-smoker and, when they arrived, it turned out they were a vaper, I'd leave/ask them to leave. I'd consider it dishonest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets.

I don't want sweets it's up to me what I do on one else

You sound a bit defensive. You did ask for opinions.

If I arranged a meet with someone who said they were a non-smoker and, when they arrived, it turned out they were a vaper, I'd leave/ask them to leave. I'd consider it dishonest."

It's not dishonest cos it's not smoking and it's says on my site that I am a vaper

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets.

I don't want sweets it's up to me what I do on one else

You sound a bit defensive. You did ask for opinions.

If I arranged a meet with someone who said they were a non-smoker and, when they arrived, it turned out they were a vaper, I'd leave/ask them to leave. I'd consider it dishonest.

It's not dishonest cos it's not smoking and it's says on my site that I am a vaper "

I'd consider them dishonest if they didn't tell me.

Vapers know some people don't like it and some people may not want to meet them because of it.

Not telling someone upfront is dishonest.

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over a year ago

I still class myself as a smoker although I haven't had a proper cig in months

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

The reason I don't like to meet smokers is because of how they smell and taste. People that vape don't have that. You can get nicotine free ones. You are inhaling steam with flavoured liquid so it isn't smoking. It's like calling me a smoker because everyday I take an inhaler.

Or when I'm all stuffed up I put oils in hot water and inhale all the steam. That is just like vaping. So no as a non smoker I would not call someone that vape a smoker. The steam from them has no affect on my lungs what so ever and it really doesn't bother me at all.

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over a year ago

Some vapes have nicotine free liquid, and tbh I wouldn't class using a vape as smoking, but I also wouldn't wanna meet someone that has it stuck in their gob all the way through a meet or social...

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

I'm totally shocked at the ignorance on this subject. For those who talk about inhaling chemicals with vaping...go and do some fucking research. 4 ingredients. FOUR! For fucks sake. And except nicotine they are ALL found in food anyway!

Plus, there are studies which suggest nicotine itself is beneficial to your health.

For those who ask how much money vaping costs i'll tell you from my perspective. I used to spend circa £50 a week on tobacco. I now spend a maximum of £5 a week on vaping.

If I choose to have a less expensive, less unhealthy, less disgustingly stinky habit, who the fuck are you to tell me i'm childish?!

Get off your high horses and you grow up!

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"The reason I don't like to meet smokers is because of how they smell and taste. People that vape don't have that. You can get nicotine free ones. You are inhaling steam with flavoured liquid so it isn't smoking. It's like calling me a smoker because everyday I take an inhaler.

Yet I've found with capers I can get a weird taste from them I've always been a non smoker so maybe I'm more sensitive to the difference, but kissing a vapour isn't half as bad as a smoker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour "

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over a year ago

It's annoying!

Big clouds of sherbet lemon flavored stuff pumped all over you from people who think it's harmless because it isn't a fag!

The sheer amount of vapour or whatever it is that comes out of some of them is enough to make your eyes water!

As an ex smoker I agree that it's a great tool to help you give up disgusting ciggies - but to claim it's harmless and continue to puff it over everyone in public places is annoying!

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"It's annoying!

Big clouds of sherbet lemon flavored stuff pumped all over you from people who think it's harmless because it isn't a fag!

The sheer amount of vapour or whatever it is that comes out of some of them is enough to make your eyes water!

As an ex smoker I agree that it's a great tool to help you give up disgusting ciggies - but to claim it's harmless and continue to puff it over everyone in public places is annoying!

It's flavoured steam...how is it harmful?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People I've seen using vapours handle them like a comforter, and not like a ciggy, I keep watching them thinking their gunna start sucking their thumb now

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over a year ago

I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

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over a year ago

"People I've seen using vapours handle them like a comforter, and not like a ciggy, I keep watching them thinking their gunna start sucking their thumb now

Haha exactly!

It's so addictive!

A fortune is being made by the people who make these!

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"I'm totally shocked at the ignorance on this subject. For those who talk about inhaling chemicals with vaping...go and do some fucking research. 4 ingredients. FOUR! For fucks sake. And except nicotine they are ALL found in food anyway!

Plus, there are studies which suggest nicotine itself is beneficial to your health.

For those who ask how much money vaping costs i'll tell you from my perspective. I used to spend circa £50 a week on tobacco. I now spend a maximum of £5 a week on vaping.

If I choose to have a less expensive, less unhealthy, less disgustingly stinky habit, who the fuck are you to tell me i'm childish?!

Get off your high horses and you grow up!

As with standardised food labels the producers of the products don't have to list the ingredients that they "may contain" and a lot of studies found to find other things hidden in them that weren't listed as an ingredients as the could be reasons explained away as "accidental cross contamination" because the results found different things in the odd vapour products, when same brands and flavours were examined. I have a daughter that as a Cows milk protein allergy and these things happen with some foods where products don't say on the packaging (as they are not legally required to) they may contain milk, but when your child as a reaction and you contact the manufacturer they then say that yes it's a may contain product. So from that prespective to say read the ingredients it's safe is fairly naive.

Also with e-cig it's the nano particles that are inhaled that settle on your lungs that can cause issues especially if the person has an exsisting lung condition or in the case of some smokers that have converted to them, they have already weakened their chest from smoking in the first place

Of course all these studies are considered to be "comparable" unfortunately e-cigs haven't been around long enough to have evidence of the long term effects as of yet.

From a psychology stand point you can argue that they aren't really that good for you on the level that you've just swapped one addiction for another, which isn't considered an healthy trait to do, but it is a typical trait represented in many recovering addicts. Not that I'm calling you an recovering addict just giving some prespective from another angle

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

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over a year ago

"It's annoying!

Big clouds of sherbet lemon flavored stuff pumped all over you from people who think it's harmless because it isn't a fag!

The sheer amount of vapour or whatever it is that comes out of some of them is enough to make your eyes water!

As an ex smoker I agree that it's a great tool to help you give up disgusting ciggies - but to claim it's harmless and continue to puff it over everyone in public places is annoying!

But its not being used as a way to stop, they're still addicted, they still have the smoking habit.

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

Plus, there are studies which suggest nicotine itself is beneficial to your health.

For those who ask how much money vaping costs i'll tell you from my perspective. I used to spend circa £50 a week on tobacco. I now spend a maximum of £5 a week on vaping.

If I choose to have a less expensive, less unhealthy, less disgustingly stinky habit, who the fuck are you to tell me i'm childish?!

Get off your high horses and you grow up!

Of course all these studies are considered to be "comparable" unfortunately e-cigs haven't been around long enough to have evidence of the long term effects as of yet.

E-cigarettes have been in existence longer than I have.

And at 9-450 times safer than tobacco, i'll take my chances.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Plus, there are studies which suggest nicotine itself is beneficial to your health.

For those who ask how much money vaping costs i'll tell you from my perspective. I used to spend circa £50 a week on tobacco. I now spend a maximum of £5 a week on vaping.

If I choose to have a less expensive, less unhealthy, less disgustingly stinky habit, who the fuck are you to tell me i'm childish?!

Get off your high horses and you grow up!

Of course all these studies are considered to be "comparable" unfortunately e-cigs haven't been around long enough to have evidence of the long term effects as of yet.

E-cigarettes have been in existence longer than I have.

And at 9-450 times safer than tobacco, i'll take my chances."

They've been in development not in use and that's fine you're an adult choose to do as you wish

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over a year ago

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

I'm just giving my opinion on a public forum - I'm not judging you!

Do whatever you want.

I am simply saying that I find it annoying and would rather not have clouds of vapour all over me.

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over a year ago

"People I've seen using vapours handle them like a comforter, and not like a ciggy, I keep watching them thinking their gunna start sucking their thumb now

It's an adult dummy.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Ermmm it's not smoke! ! ...because you're not burning anything ..it's vapour "

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"For me someone who uses vapor is basically saying "I'm a weak willed fool who can't or in most cases won't control myself". "

A bit like someone who drinks alcohol, coffee, or is fat then?

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

I'm just giving my opinion on a public forum - I'm not judging you!

Do whatever you want.

I am simply saying that I find it annoying and would rather not have clouds of vapour all over me.

But you're happy to leave your home every day and step out into the toxic atmosphere which has been created by diesel and petrol? Come on, a bit of flavoured steam is nothing compared to actual smoke, or any other pollutant we have poisoned our planet with.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

There has been a fair bit of research concluding vaping is potentially harmful to people passively vaping. Not all the research claims it's harmless. Plus some of the research that claims it is harmless was funded or carried out by parties with a vested interest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

I'm just giving my opinion on a public forum - I'm not judging you!

Do whatever you want.

I am simply saying that I find it annoying and would rather not have clouds of vapour all over me.

That is nonsense!

If you want to vape - go ahead!

Justify it to yourself as you wish!

I'm not a militant anti smoker - I smoked for 25 years and justified it in all sorts of ways myself.

Like you said there are enough toxins in the air already - if I can avoid another one then great!

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

I'm just giving my opinion on a public forum - I'm not judging you!

Do whatever you want.

I am simply saying that I find it annoying and would rather not have clouds of vapour all over me.

That is nonsense!

If you want to vape - go ahead!

Justify it to yourself as you wish!

I'm not a militant anti smoker - I smoked for 25 years and justified it in all sorts of ways myself.

Like you said there are enough toxins in the air already - if I can avoid another one then great!

Oh yes...pollution is nonsense.

Frankly, unless 'you' (I mean anyone complaining about vapour) doesn't produce any pollution, has a zero carbon footprint, get off the high horses!

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

It's still less harmful than passive smoking.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

I'm just giving my opinion on a public forum - I'm not judging you!

Do whatever you want.

I am simply saying that I find it annoying and would rather not have clouds of vapour all over me.

It's not pure steam though. It contains nicotine, (yes I know nicotine free liquids exist but most don't use them because nicotine is the point of vaping for most), and propylene glycol. Vapour can also contain formaldehyde, and volatile organic compounds. The water vapour itself can also be harmful, as pointed out, because it's released as very fine droplets.

A study on mice showed inhaling vapour regularly increased the susceptibility to respiratory infections.

Because we're exposed to noxious fumes on a daily basis doesn't mean we should be happy to breathe more potentially harmful substances when there should be no need to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i smoke during sex..............i think it's the friction!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sigh!

I'm not going to re quote everything because it's getting boring!

I'm certainly not on a "high horse" I'm just choosing not to inhale vapour if I can.

You do whatever you want in your own air space

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

It's still less harmful than passive smoking."

Why should non-smokers have to put up with something harmful at all?

If vapers/smokers want to take the risk, fine but how can it ever be ok to impose that on someone else without their consent?

"It's ok judge, I only ran over him with a car. It's fine, that's much less harmful than using a lorry"

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over a year ago

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

It's still less harmful than passive smoking.

Why should non-smokers have to put up with something harmful at all?

If vapers/smokers want to take the risk, fine but how can it ever be ok to impose that on someone else without their consent?

"It's ok judge, I only ran over him with a car. It's fine, that's much less harmful than using a lorry"

Brilliant

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over a year ago

Plus, there are studies which suggest nicotine itself is beneficial to your health.

For those who ask how much money vaping costs i'll tell you from my perspective. I used to spend circa £50 a week on tobacco. I now spend a maximum of £5 a week on vaping.

If I choose to have a less expensive, less unhealthy, less disgustingly stinky habit, who the fuck are you to tell me i'm childish?!

Get off your high horses and you grow up!

Err can I just point out...nicotine is in chewing tobacco and beta nut or quid! Both of these have been proved to cause mouth cancer.

So just because vaping only contains nicotine, doesn't mean it is 'good for you'

The truth is, vaping hasn't been around long enough for good scientific research to be carried out on its dangers. So the jury is still out.

But please don't think nicotine is good for you!

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

It's still less harmful than passive smoking.

Why should non-smokers have to put up with something harmful at all?

If vapers/smokers want to take the risk, fine but how can it ever be ok to impose that on someone else without their consent?

"It's ok judge, I only ran over him with a car. It's fine, that's much less harmful than using a lorry"

why should anyone have to inhale noxious gasses everyday?

If you choose to leave your house (actually if you just choose to be alive) you are doing so.

I think people should be thankful that there are fewer people actually smoking.

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By *trawberry-popWoman
over a year ago

South East Midlands NOT

Plus, there are studies which suggest nicotine itself is beneficial to your health.

For those who ask how much money vaping costs i'll tell you from my perspective. I used to spend circa £50 a week on tobacco. I now spend a maximum of £5 a week on vaping.

If I choose to have a less expensive, less unhealthy, less disgustingly stinky habit, who the fuck are you to tell me i'm childish?!

Get off your high horses and you grow up!

Err can I just point out...nicotine is in chewing tobacco and beta nut or quid! Both of these have been proved to cause mouth cancer.

So just because vaping only contains nicotine, doesn't mean it is 'good for you'

The truth is, vaping hasn't been around long enough for good scientific research to be carried out on its dangers. So the jury is still out.

But please don't think nicotine is good for you!

I didn't say it was good for you I said there are studies which suggest it can be beneficial to your health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, smoking is smoking, vaping is vaping.

Smoking is probably bad for you,

Vaping is probably bad for you.

eating 90% of standard foods is probably bad for you.

breathing in city air is probably bad for you.

but hell you have to die of something, If you get past 99 then you have to leave Fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, smoking is smoking, vaping is vaping.

Smoking is probably bad for you,

Vaping is probably bad for you.

eating 90% of standard foods is probably bad for you.

breathing in city air is probably bad for you.

but hell you have to die of something, If you get past 99 then you have to leave Fab

Exactly!

So let's all just kill ourselves quietly - I'm too hungover for this nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if you're addicted to nicotine in any form you're still a 'smoker' in my opinion"

I would say an addict!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

It's still less harmful than passive smoking.

Why should non-smokers have to put up with something harmful at all?

If vapers/smokers want to take the risk, fine but how can it ever be ok to impose that on someone else without their consent?

"It's ok judge, I only ran over him with a car. It's fine, that's much less harmful than using a lorry"

why should anyone have to inhale noxious gasses everyday?

If you choose to leave your house (actually if you just choose to be alive) you are doing so.

I think people should be thankful that there are fewer people actually smoking. "

So because air pollution exists it's ok to force more onto people?

Anyone choosing to leave their house is consenting to breathe potentially harmful vapour? Otherwise they'd stay home?

Leaving the house for most people isn't a choice. People need to work and such. Because they choose to have a life doesn't make it ok to force your vapour on them.

Smokers used to use the same arguments. "If you don't want to breathe smoke, don't go to the pub" etc. It's selfish. Why should the person not polluting the air and harming others be the one expected to stay home?

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

And those studies have been roundly de-bunked as flawed, unscientific, and in many cases the press has reported "findings", that have not been published.

As ever, when there are competing agendas, finding the truth can be difficult.

But some facts:-

All organic smoke contains polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) which are carcinogenic, the chief offender being Benzo alpha pyrene (BAP). It's not tobacco per-se, it could be lettuce or alfalfa.

Wood and coal smoke are both extremely high in BAP and you might want to think about that at your next barbecue or bonfire.

E-liquid is generally either or both, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Both are in many foods, mouthwashes etc. and considered safe chemicals for human consumption. Propylene glycol is used to make theatre/club/gig dry ice. There are people who work in this environment every day - so there's your test group for passive inhalation.

The two biggest worries for me, apart from the purity of the base ingredients are the flavourings - diacetyl being the worst, and the quality of the coils.

Diacetyl is used in popcorn and prolonged exposure causes a lung condition known as popcorn lung.

The coils are typically nickel chromium (nichrome) wire. If heated too high, or if dry burned with a high powered battery, nano particles of nickel and chromium find their way in to the vapour. The studies that found these particles were de-bunked as having used excessively high power on nearly dry coils. One such study decided themselves that their results were rubbish and so did not publish, but the press widely reported it anyway.

Organic smoke (not just tobacco) contains around 2000 known carcinogens.

E-liquid vapour contains none, unless the vaping device is used outside of it's design parameters.

Many people have an irrational knee jerk reaction, just because it looks like smoking. One person I know started waving their arms around saying it should be banned - I hadn't even activated it, I was just resting it in my mouth as one does with a pen.

So yes, in my case it's a substitute, but all my researches to date strongly indicate a far less un-healthy one. Many people I know have used a vaper successfully to transition off cigarettes and vaping altogether.

Of course others have a right not to be enveloped in a cloud of vapour, but to class it as smoking, is by definition, incorrect.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Far less unhealthy does not mean harmless.

I would still prefer not to breathe it.

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By *awtynNiceCouple
over a year ago

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Think it depends how you look at it really, as an ex smoker it can sometimes be off putting if playing with someone who smells of smoke, but saying that most are considerate and usually pop a mint and spray a little perfume etc. So in this respect a vapoure would be fine as it has non of the issues created by a cig. Not certain that answers the question but it's a _iew lol Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets.

I don't want sweets it's up to me what I do on one else

You sound a bit defensive. You did ask for opinions.

If I arranged a meet with someone who said they were a non-smoker and, when they arrived, it turned out they were a vaper, I'd leave/ask them to leave. I'd consider it dishonest.

It's not dishonest cos it's not smoking and it's says on my site that I am a vaper "

It's not on my profile. When you vape your clothes or breathe doesn't smell of tobacco. I meet smokers but they wouldnt get near me if they'd just had one, it stinks. When you vape you blow out steam! It's not harmful to be around a vaper!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"So you're now addicted to something else?

No I am not addicted to it can can got days with using it

Then why bother at all?

Give it up like you gave up the fags.

The simple reason is cos I like vaping and one will stop me doing it I give up cigs and I am happy with that but I ain't stopping vaping for on one cos I want to do it

If you just liked the flavours you could buy sweets.

I don't want sweets it's up to me what I do on one else

You sound a bit defensive. You did ask for opinions.

If I arranged a meet with someone who said they were a non-smoker and, when they arrived, it turned out they were a vaper, I'd leave/ask them to leave. I'd consider it dishonest.

It's not dishonest cos it's not smoking and it's says on my site that I am a vaper

You do not exhale only steam. Passive vaping may be harmful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wanting to justify everything you do and needing people to agree with you is human nature!

But sometimes we all have to accept that the things we do can negatively affect people.

Whether we think it should or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, vaping is essentially the same as smoking. If you're not addicted to the nicotine you're addicted to the habit. I have met smokers before, but stop kidding yourselves that now you vape you're not one!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And those who have created carbon neutral homes don't want to be breathing the pollution caused by burning fossil fuels to produce your electricity....so you'll be pulling your main fuse then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And those who have created carbon neutral homes don't want to be breathing the pollution caused by burning fossil fuels to produce your electricity....so you'll be pulling your main fuse then?"

I don't give a fuck about carbon footprints, I'm sure mine is sky high. But my hair and clothes don't smell of my carbon footprint (flavoured liquids DO smell, whatever the shops are telling you), I don't hop out of bed 30 seconds after sex to get a fix of my carbon footprint, or puff clouds of my carbon footprint over your face.

It's not a moral superiority thing, it's a stop kidding yourself you're not still addicted to the habit of smoking, thing. And if you're addicted to the habit, you're a smoker.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Ah yes, the need to heat one's home and use electric appliances and the need to use a car...definitely the same as choosing to inhale nicotine.

Yes, I realise now I was totally wrong so please breathe potentially harmful vapour all over me

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"I just don't want it puffed over me - you can tell yourself it isn't harmful as much as you want - but I choose not to smoke or vape - so I don't want to inhale it.

I'm not 'telling myself' i'm making an informed decision based on research. And yes, there has been a bucketload of research.

And those studies have been roundly de-bunked as flawed, unscientific, and in many cases the press has reported "findings", that have not been published.

As ever, when there are competing agendas, finding the truth can be difficult.

But some facts:-

All organic smoke contains polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) which are carcinogenic, the chief offender being Benzo alpha pyrene (BAP). It's not tobacco per-se, it could be lettuce or alfalfa.

Wood and coal smoke are both extremely high in BAP and you might want to think about that at your next barbecue or bonfire.

The two biggest worries for me, apart from the purity of the base ingredients are the flavourings - diacetyl being the worst, and the quality of the coils.

Diacetyl is used in popcorn and prolonged exposure causes a lung condition known as popcorn lung.

Organic smoke (not just tobacco) contains around 2000 known carcinogens.

E-liquid vapour contains none, unless the vaping device is used outside of it's design parameters.

Of course others have a right not to be enveloped in a cloud of vapour, but to class it as smoking, is by definition, incorrect.

And of course this still neglects the aspects of May contains that aren't legally required to be listed test can be /were found in e-cigs

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

And of course this still neglects the aspects of May contains that aren't legally required to be listed test can be /were found in e-cigs

English translation please ?

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

And of course this still neglects the aspects of May contains that aren't legally required to be listed test can be /were found in e-cigs

English translation please ?

I've explained the issue of May contains further up the thread and the word "test" was meant to say "and" iPhones have a mind of their own

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"...

It's not a moral superiority thing, it's a stop kidding yourself you're not still addicted to the habit of smoking, thing. And if you're addicted to the habit, you're a smoker. "

Except the fundamental terminology is wrong - there's no smoke, ergo, it cannot be smoking.

I'm happy to be called a vaper, I've not had a cigarette for 5 years, so I'm not a smoker.

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By *adeDragonMan
over a year ago

Guildford

"Wanting to justify everything you do and needing people to agree with you is human nature!

But sometimes we all have to accept that the things we do can negatively affect people.

Whether we think it should or not.

Too true, in social situations (as in others) perception is reality -for everyone. So let's acknowledge the other persons reality give them space and consideration. Sermon over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...

It's not a moral superiority thing, it's a stop kidding yourself you're not still addicted to the habit of smoking, thing. And if you're addicted to the habit, you're a smoker.

Except the fundamental terminology is wrong - there's no smoke, ergo, it cannot be smoking.

I'm happy to be called a vaper, I've not had a cigarette for 5 years, so I'm not a smoker.

But I class someone as being a smoker because they are addicted to the action of sucking on something that's going to create a cloud of some sort of misty stuff. I really don't care if that's water vapour and steam with some gross artificial flavour in it or cigarette smoke.

The action, the addiction, the behaviour and the habit is what makes a smoker, and that is no different with vaping.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

And of course this still neglects the aspects of May contains that aren't legally required to be listed test can be /were found in e-cigs

English translation please ?

I've explained the issue of May contains further up the thread and the word "test" was meant to say "and" iPhones have a mind of their own "

You also named a long term harmful may contain, that being diacetyl. Because it only May contain it, it's not legally required to be listed on the products ingredients, because it's only produced in a factory using diacetyl si there's only a risk of cross contamination, yet by the study habits did still it was regularly found in 39 varieties of vapours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I don't use the liquids, I use the 10motives ecigarette which doesn't produce clouds of vapour...and I still consider myself a smoker. However, to someone who lives in fresh, clean country air towns and cities do smell due to the pollution of cars, power stations etc so I don't mean carbon footprints, I do mean the actual smell.

I am merely highlighting that the vast majority of people take the stance that their actions, behaviours, lifestyle choices are fine and everyone else should accept them but in turn are not so accepting of others.

You defend your position of burning fossil fuels as you can't detect any offensive smell caused so those who do are not to be considered yet those creating smells you find offensive are not acceptable.

I have to agree though that someone who blows vapour in your face is just plain rude.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"...

It's not a moral superiority thing, it's a stop kidding yourself you're not still addicted to the habit of smoking, thing. And if you're addicted to the habit, you're a smoker.

Except the fundamental terminology is wrong - there's no smoke, ergo, it cannot be smoking.

I'm happy to be called a vaper, I've not had a cigarette for 5 years, so I'm not a smoker.

If you're using the capita containing nicotine you will always be a smoker in at least medical terms my friend was shocked to discover that she had to be classified as a smoker on her medical notes because she capes nicotine, which can be harmful to the babies development

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not offended by smokers or vapers, I meet and have met both. I'm not judging or asserting any sort of superiority. I'm just saying they are kidding themselves to suggest it's not the same addiction and the same habit. It's like one alcoholic who only drinks vodka claiming they're totally different to another who only drinks cider.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

And of course this still neglects the aspects of May contains that aren't legally required to be listed test can be /were found in e-cigs

English translation please ?

I've explained the issue of May contains further up the thread and the word "test" was meant to say "and" iPhones have a mind of their own

*havard not habits damn phone

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"...

It's not a moral superiority thing, it's a stop kidding yourself you're not still addicted to the habit of smoking, thing. And if you're addicted to the habit, you're a smoker.

Except the fundamental terminology is wrong - there's no smoke, ergo, it cannot be smoking.

I'm happy to be called a vaper, I've not had a cigarette for 5 years, so I'm not a smoker.

* vapours not capita give up with this phone today

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"It's annoying!

Big clouds of sherbet lemon flavored stuff pumped all over you from people who think it's harmless because it isn't a fag!

The sheer amount of vapour or whatever it is that comes out of some of them is enough to make your eyes water!

As an ex smoker I agree that it's a great tool to help you give up disgusting ciggies - but to claim it's harmless and continue to puff it over everyone in public places is annoying!

But its not being used as a way to stop, they're still addicted, they still have the smoking habit. "

Yes that's the shame of it - great way to get off fags, but as an ex-smoker it seems madness to me not to use it to wean off altogether, its still a controlling habit that takes a great deal of time, effort and expense to maintain. The point of giving up to me was to be FREE of ALL of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not offended by smokers or vapers, I meet and have met both. I'm not judging or asserting any sort of superiority. I'm just saying they are kidding themselves to suggest it's not the same addiction and the same habit. It's like one alcoholic who only drinks vodka claiming they're totally different to another who only drinks cider. "

Perhaps, in the interest of the modern politically correct society, the term smoker should be replaced with nicotine addict which is then in arguable

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By *iscean MaleMan
over a year ago

Darlaston

I have smoked.. and used e cigs. Which ever method done.. i have classed myself as a smoker regardless of the content..... am still goin through the same motion too

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

And of course this still neglects the aspects of May contains that aren't legally required to be listed test can be /were found in e-cigs

English translation please ?

I've explained the issue of May contains further up the thread and the word "test" was meant to say "and" iPhones have a mind of their own

*havard not habits damn phone "

Yeah, I'm with you on the whole regulation, purity thing, I'd like to see more regulation and control in this area.

I'd also welcome more independent research.

The best I can do is to source my liquid from an ISO Class 5 clean room facility, but yes, I still don't know for sure exactly what all the ingredients are and that any trace ingredients are below certain permissible levels.

What I do know is, that smoking will foreshorten your life. All the credible independent research thus far, indicates little or no harmful effects if using quality liquids and a quality device. My own anecdotal experience (health, aerobic capacity, olfactory acuity etc.), which are widely experienced by others who have made the transition, also corroborate this.

I have no wish to inflict it on anyone else, nor am I suggesting people take it up as a new hobby.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"...

Perhaps, in the interest of the modern politically correct society, the term smoker should be replaced with nicotine addict which is then in arguable

So that would include anyone using patches, gum or spray that contained nicotine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...

Perhaps, in the interest of the modern politically correct society, the term smoker should be replaced with nicotine addict which is then in arguable

So that would include anyone using patches, gum or spray that contained nicotine?"

Why not, they are nicotine addicts after all

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

And of course this still neglects the aspects of May contains that aren't legally required to be listed test can be /were found in e-cigs

English translation please ?

I've explained the issue of May contains further up the thread and the word "test" was meant to say "and" iPhones have a mind of their own

*havard not habits damn phone

Yeah, I'm with you on the whole regulation, purity thing, I'd like to see more regulation and control in this area.

I'd also welcome more independent research.

I have no wish to inflict it on anyone else, nor am I suggesting people take it up as a new hobby."

The regulations should expand out to food items too, before joining slimming world and starting to really learn about food I never realised the "fat free" products aren't always very healthy for you as though they don't contain fat they are high in sugars, knowing this as really helped where losing weights concerned I used to think I was being good by making these choices, now I know I am, which does in a minor way play into the May contain issue I've raised with e-cigs

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

can't say I have given it much thought, I still haven't.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"...

I agree, ideally one would give up altogether. I was a 40 a day rollup smoker for over 30 years. I tried to give up several times, my best being 6 months, but every day was as bad as the first day, it just never got any easier.

With vaping, I stopped smoking cigarettes completely within a week.

I used to buy half price tobacco from France/Spain (EU tax paid), and I'd get through around £60 a month, very cheap compared to the £8 a day for regular ciggies. Now I get through around £10 a month in vaping consumables.

I can abstain from vaping for long periods now without discomfort, such as when flying long haul. Whereas when I was smoking, I would by desperate for a cigarette most of the time.

So yes, I'd like to give up completely, but I do have a long standing, well ingrained habit, which for me, is a right bitch to ditch. So vaping is the best thing since sliced bread as far as I'm concerned. I monitor the research, source high quality consumables and try to be considerate

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Vaping is a bit like using condoms manufacturers never say they are 100% safe they are just the safer option

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Vaping is a bit like using condoms manufacturers never say they are 100% safe they are just the safer option "

And that's kinda my take on it. No-one is saying it's good for you, just a whole lot less bad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Vaping is a bit like using condoms manufacturers never say they are 100% safe they are just the safer option

And that's kinda my take on it. No-one is saying it's good for you, just a whole lot less bad"

So the safest option overall is to quit totally.

Use the vape to wean off the fags & then stop.

Otherwise you've replaced one addiction with another.

I'm glad when I quit these vape things weren't around otherwise I'd probably be sucking on one!

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"Vaping is a bit like using condoms manufacturers never say they are 100% safe they are just the safer option

And that's kinda my take on it. No-one is saying it's good for you, just a whole lot less bad"

That's it, and anyone choosing to use them should be aware of this unfortunately many are naive to assume safer automatically means safe it doesn't

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

K ....... Listen up and answer.... I thank you.

I have a regular meet. He smokes. He smokes outside. For ages now he's vaped.

He has now just started vaping in my house when he feels like it.

Post sex yesterday... he vaped in my bed.

This is where I got a little 'testy' to say the very least.

Is he taking a liberty ? Did I react adversely ?

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"K ....... Listen up and answer.... I thank you.

I have a regular meet. He smokes. He smokes outside. For ages now he's vaped.

He has now just started vaping in my house when he feels like it.

Post sex yesterday... he vaped in my bed.

This is where I got a little 'testy' to say the very least.

Is he taking a liberty ? Did I react adversely ?"

Your house, your bed, your rules - he should respect them

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"K ....... Listen up and answer.... I thank you.

I have a regular meet. He smokes. He smokes outside. For ages now he's vaped.

He has now just started vaping in my house when he feels like it.

Post sex yesterday... he vaped in my bed.

This is where I got a little 'testy' to say the very least.

Is he taking a liberty ? Did I react adversely ?"

He is in your home he should be respectful to your wishes if the bedroom as been clarified as a no go area then you have every right to be testy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"K ....... Listen up and answer.... I thank you.

I have a regular meet. He smokes. He smokes outside. For ages now he's vaped.

He has now just started vaping in my house when he feels like it.

Post sex yesterday... he vaped in my bed.

This is where I got a little 'testy' to say the very least.

Is he taking a liberty ? Did I react adversely ?"

Yes he is & no you didn't.

I've noticed that vapers seem to think it's okay to vape in restaurants. Errrr.....no thanks go outside with the smokers.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Thanks. I feel better now and will definitely untie him soon. When I find the shed key. Give his his clothes back too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thanks. I feel better now and will definitely untie him soon. When I find the shed key. Give his his clothes back too

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"...

With vaping, I stopped smoking cigarettes completely within a week.

I can abstain from vaping for long periods now without discomfort, such as when flying long haul. Whereas when I was smoking, I would by desperate for a cigarette most of the time.

So could you not gradually reduce the nicotine content? By the time you were down to zero you would only have a habit to deal with, not an addiction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nicotine is found in tomatoes and other foods, do we count tomatoe eaters as smokers?

Many silly arguments above, some sensible ones, and a lot of predictable prejudice for and against.

You may vape in my home, but please don't fart.

One certainty of life is death, so if you are in my bed, please leave all watches phones and other time measuring devices outside... Time is a guaranteed killer

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke "

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"K ....... Listen up and answer.... I thank you.

I have a regular meet. He smokes. He smokes outside. For ages now he's vaped.

He has now just started vaping in my house when he feels like it.

Post sex yesterday... he vaped in my bed.

This is where I got a little 'testy' to say the very least.

Is he taking a liberty ? Did I react adversely ?

Yes he is & no you didn't.

I've noticed that vapers seem to think it's okay to vape in restaurants. Errrr.....no thanks go outside with the smokers."

That's cause it is ok to vape I'm restaurants cause it's not band to do so like smoking is

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers. "

Don't you worry about that I will do what I like.

I could say people that drive are selfish cos of all this shit what comes out of cars in to the air they should all stop driving and walk cause there are all bed people then ain't they just like people that vape are no stop been so daft it's a bit of vapour

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers.

Don't you worry about that I will do what I like.

Oh dear.

How many times? It may be vapour but it's not just water. And even if it is water, microdroplets of water can be harmful if inhaled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it's not a big deal, why is your name vapour and half your photos you puffing out a cloud of smoke?

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers.

Don't you worry about that I will do what I like.

Oh dear.

How many times? It may be vapour but it's not just water. And even if it is water, microdroplets of water can be harmful if inhaled.

Not to mention the ingredients that it only "may contain" because it only May contain them they don't need to legally list it in the ingredients of the vapour.

The study at Harvard found 39 out of 45 vapours that "may contain" dicetyl actually contained it prolonged exposure to That can cause a serious lung conditon known as popcorn lung

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over a year ago

"The study at Harvard found 39 out of 45 vapours that "may contain" dicetyl actually contained it prolonged exposure to That can cause a serious lung conditon known as popcorn lung "

Heard something about this a while back - made me think that there was a time when doctors would advise people to smoke - nobody then would have believed smoking was bad for them. But here we are with people happily smoking something new with no idea what it may or may not do to them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it's not a big deal, why is your name vapour and half your photos you puffing out a cloud of smoke?"

It's not a big deal I vape that's why my name is vapour and I have could of vapour coming out my mouth is 2 pics

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it's not a big deal, why is your name vapour and half your photos you puffing out a cloud of smoke?

It's not a big deal I vape that's why my name is vapour and I have could of vapour coming out my mouth is 2 pics "

And ps I have it coming out my mouth right now

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"The study at Harvard found 39 out of 45 vapours that "may contain" dicetyl actually contained it prolonged exposure to That can cause a serious lung conditon known as popcorn lung

This is the thing while e-cigs have been in development for years they haven't practically been in use long enough to really know the long term side effects and yes Drs did used to prescribe tobacco and even whisky medicinally way back when, now many years in the future we know how detrimental and wrong those prescriptions we're

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers.

Don't you worry about that I will do what I like.

Oh dear.

How many times? It may be vapour but it's not just water. And even if it is water, microdroplets of water can be harmful if inhaled.

Not to mention the ingredients that it only "may contain" because it only May contain them they don't need to legally list it in the ingredients of the vapour.

The study at Harvard found 39 out of 45 vapours that "may contain" dicetyl actually contained it prolonged exposure to That can cause a serious lung conditon known as popcorn lung "

The ingredients going on about that some of the liquids are made out of the juices from friut them self's

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers.

Don't you worry about that I will do what I like.

Oh dear.

How many times? It may be vapour but it's not just water. And even if it is water, microdroplets of water can be harmful if inhaled.

Not to mention the ingredients that it only "may contain" because it only May contain them they don't need to legally list it in the ingredients of the vapour.

The study at Harvard found 39 out of 45 vapours that "may contain" dicetyl actually contained it prolonged exposure to That can cause a serious lung conditon known as popcorn lung

The ingredients going on about that some of the liquids are made out of the juices from friut them self's "

Yes they are but fruits when broken down/enhanced the wrong way can contain levels of other substances as previously mention the tomato is a fruit and some varieties of it contain nicotine

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers.

Don't you worry about that I will do what I like.

Oh dear.

How many times? It may be vapour but it's not just water. And even if it is water, microdroplets of water can be harmful if inhaled.

Not to mention the ingredients that it only "may contain" because it only May contain them they don't need to legally list it in the ingredients of the vapour.

The study at Harvard found 39 out of 45 vapours that "may contain" dicetyl actually contained it prolonged exposure to That can cause a serious lung conditon known as popcorn lung

The ingredients going on about that some of the liquids are made out of the juices from friut them self's

Yes they are but fruits when broken down/enhanced the wrong way can contain levels of other substances as previously mention the tomato is a fruit and some varieties of it contain nicotine "

People best stop earing fruit then cause it bad for them

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"If vaping is that bad for you like people on here are making out why is it not band front indoor places like smoking is. That it cause it's oright smoking it's vapour not smoke

Because the laws haven't caught up yet.

Neither has the content analysis and health effects of the crap you're breathing in and breathing over other people.

Believe what you like. Do what you like. You will regardless, just like selfish smokers.

Don't you worry about that I will do what I like.

Oh dear.

How many times? It may be vapour but it's not just water. And even if it is water, microdroplets of water can be harmful if inhaled.

Not to mention the ingredients that it only "may contain" because it only May contain them they don't need to legally list it in the ingredients of the vapour.

The study at Harvard found 39 out of 45 vapours that "may contain" dicetyl actually contained it prolonged exposure to That can cause a serious lung conditon known as popcorn lung

The ingredients going on about that some of the liquids are made out of the juices from friut them self's

Yes they are but fruits when broken down/enhanced the wrong way can contain levels of other substances as previously mention the tomato is a fruit and some varieties of it contain nicotine

People best stop earing fruit then cause it bad for them "

No it's not when broken down naturally by the body, when broken down genetically or chemical is when issues can arise.

For someone that "doesn't have an issue" you're being very defensive and petulant.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

"I think it's time for a fag

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Go outside then....

and don,t chuck your stub on the floor..

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