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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Is this a government April fool?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't it the anniversary of the bedroom tax too today?

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't it the anniversary of the bedroom tax too today?

Sarah"

Bedroom tax is mostly justified

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this a government April fool? "

You can bet they will get it back off us some other way

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Isn't it the anniversary of the bedroom tax too today?

Sarah

Bedroom tax is mostly justified "

It mostly isn't since there mostly aren't smaller properties available for anyone to downsize to.

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

The only though I have on this is it closes the pay gap at the bottom, as many nurses, teachers and qualified tradesmen will be only on something like £2 and hour more after the debt of study etc, yet the pay gap at the top keeps getting wider.

Funny how the government 'nationalised' the banks but not the steel industry to save it, mind you I don't suppose many who work in Scunthorpe, Port Talbot etc went to Eaton, Oxford or Cambridge, I doubt they are even Lodge members so I guess they are just cannon fodder... Friday rant over

have a nice day!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only real main problem with the bed room tax was the lack of fairness to people who really needed the other room for valid reasons.

A lot of people have the option had the spare room just left empty and as social housing is supposed to be used efficiently.

I remember when the last of my brothers moved out of the family home my dad had to downsize because it was just him left in the house and so was given up to a family and he was moved into a flat.

That's the way it's supposed to work! There are cases for some that need to room for storage of medical equipment ect but some do take the piss with saying that need the room so that they can have grand children over and stuff like that so the room stays empty for 40 weeks a year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for minimum wage it will not work because they will just make more positions self employed and so get round that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't it the anniversary of the bedroom tax too today?

Sarah

Bedroom tax is mostly justified

It mostly isn't since there mostly aren't smaller properties available for anyone to downsize to."

That is a valid reason as they should have to find the tenant a smaller property but you will then get the ones who will just keep saying that the new place is not right for them to move too and will keep it on hold for years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thought this was going to be a sensible thread about the minimum wage, not about bloody bedroom tax!!

I for one will benefit greatly from this.

woukd be interesting to find out how many of you will also benefit, if it can stay on topic??

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"As for minimum wage it will not work because they will just make more positions self employed and so get round that"

Yes and then lower paid will be forced to use payroll companies which charge a fee to process payments.

Also the rise in minimum wage is likely to lead to fewer job openings, businesses are unlikely to sacrifice profit to offset cost of the pay rise.

Also the new minimum wage only applies to over 25s which could lead to some age discrimination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only though I have on this is it closes the pay gap at the bottom, as many nurses, teachers and qualified tradesmen will be only on something like £2 and hour more after the debt of study etc, yet the pay gap at the top keeps getting wider.

Funny how the government 'nationalised' the banks but not the steel industry to save it, mind you I don't suppose many who work in Scunthorpe, Port Talbot etc went to Eaton, Oxford or Cambridge, I doubt they are even Lodge members so I guess they are just cannon fodder... Friday rant over

have a nice day! "

We do not know the answer to the problem, but would you buy a company that is losing 1 Million a day?

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Thought this was going to be a sensible thread about the minimum wage, not about bloody bedroom tax!!

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Some people can't help but try to make everything about benefit claimants and use it as an excuse to have a go at them.

They're not interested in the living wage as it doesn't fit their agenda.

I think the increase is a good thing but it doesn't go far enough. I don't believe it actually is a "living wage".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As for minimum wage it will not work because they will just make more positions self employed and so get round that

Yes and then lower paid will be forced to use payroll companies which charge a fee to process payments.

Also the rise in minimum wage is likely to lead to fewer job openings, businesses are unlikely to sacrifice profit to offset cost of the pay rise.

Also the new minimum wage only applies to over 25s which could lead to some age discrimination"

Over 25s have always had a higher rate of pay within the minimum wage!

People over 25 are more likely to have higher outgoing's plus more experience within their job. Why should I be paid the same as an 18 year old who has no experience in the job?

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre


"The only though I have on this is it closes the pay gap at the bottom, as many nurses, teachers and qualified tradesmen will be only on something like £2 and hour more after the debt of study etc, yet the pay gap at the top keeps getting wider.

Funny how the government 'nationalised' the banks but not the steel industry to save it, mind you I don't suppose many who work in Scunthorpe, Port Talbot etc went to Eaton, Oxford or Cambridge, I doubt they are even Lodge members so I guess they are just cannon fodder... Friday rant over

have a nice day!

We do not know the answer to the problem, but would you buy a company that is losing 1 Million a day? "

How much did the banks lose?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While the new living wage is a great idea, I don't think it's going to have the desired effect, our local shop will just put their prices up; and they already charge a premium with it being a convenience shop. I think initially at least we are only going to see increased costs and fewer staff, but if those at the lower and of the ladder are getting a payrise, naturally further up will be wanting a payrise too.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"As for minimum wage it will not work because they will just make more positions self employed and so get round that

Yes and then lower paid will be forced to use payroll companies which charge a fee to process payments.

Also the rise in minimum wage is likely to lead to fewer job openings, businesses are unlikely to sacrifice profit to offset cost of the pay rise.

Also the new minimum wage only applies to over 25s which could lead to some age discrimination

Over 25s have always had a higher rate of pay within the minimum wage!

People over 25 are more likely to have higher outgoing's plus more experience within their job. Why should I be paid the same as an 18 year old who has no experience in the job? "

Yes people with more experience should reasonably expect a higher rate of pay beyond minimum wage but it could be argued that a 21 year old having been in a role for a couple of years would have more experience and competency than a 26 year old newbie but would still be paid less.

As pointed out over 25 may have more outgoings and responsibilities etc but may find it harder to find employment as employers actively seeking out younger and cheaper labour.

I'm not against the increase in minimum wage, I just don't think it's been thought through properly.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I personally don't think it goes far enough.

The living wage foundation was launched by members of London Citizens in 2001. The founders were parents in the East End of London, who wanted to remain in work, but found that despite working two or more minimum wage jobs they were struggling to make ends meet and were left with no time for family and community life.

The campaign encouraged employers to pay a living wage which is re_iewed annually to genuinely reflect the rises in cost of living and is higher than even the new minimum wage.

The government has stuck the word national in front in an attempt to fool people into thinking that they have taken the scheme up.

If this was a private sector company they'd be sued!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As for minimum wage it will not work because they will just make more positions self employed and so get round that

Yes and then lower paid will be forced to use payroll companies which charge a fee to process payments.

Also the rise in minimum wage is likely to lead to fewer job openings, businesses are unlikely to sacrifice profit to offset cost of the pay rise.

Also the new minimum wage only applies to over 25s which could lead to some age discrimination

Over 25s have always had a higher rate of pay within the minimum wage!

People over 25 are more likely to have higher outgoing's plus more experience within their job. Why should I be paid the same as an 18 year old who has no experience in the job?

Yes people with more experience should reasonably expect a higher rate of pay beyond minimum wage but it could be argued that a 21 year old having been in a role for a couple of years would have more experience and competency than a 26 year old newbie but would still be paid less.

As pointed out over 25 may have more outgoings and responsibilities etc but may find it harder to find employment as employers actively seeking out younger and cheaper labour.

I'm not against the increase in minimum wage, I just don't think it's been thought through properly."

Employers seeking out younger, less expensive employees has been an issue since the minimum wage system began, most certainly in my line of work but ultimately you get what you pay for!

Definitely not claiming that all under 25's are work shy or fickle but I've been in my current job just over a year and I've watched about 6 members of staff aged between 18 and 21 come and go. Some use my line of work as a make shift job as its not something you can have a career in really so some have gone on to university or to pursue and job with prospects, good luck to them. But a majority think it's going to be easy and it's not. They take a job that includes weekend, evening work then realise they are missing out on a social life and expect to be paid to have time off to party!!

Ultimately this is a way to get people over 25 out of the benefit system and supporting they're own families instead of relying on the government to subsidies they're wages and living expenses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't it the anniversary of the bedroom tax too today?

Sarah

Bedroom tax is mostly justified

It mostly isn't since there mostly aren't smaller properties available for anyone to downsize to."

Oh there are. People just don't wish to. For example.

Norwich. The main stock of council property are three bedroom houses with a few four/beds modified due to demand.

Lots of one and two bedroom flats available however again people don't want to downsize mainly due to not liking the estate or losing the garden.

Two bed houses. Very few. Two bed bungalows. Very few and normally allocated to the elderly or disabled.

This is the problem not enough two bed houses although more and more are being built by housing associations but then allocated as starter homes to new families.

The property is there. People just don't wish to move. I see the logic behind bedroom tax and in all fairness if somebody has had a subsidised house all their life they should go on a list to down grade when the house does not have the occupancy anymore.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

as part thanks to min wage and new pension rules....my company laying two people off from today....some small bizz cant carry the xtra burded

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It's a new minimum wage, not a new living wage despite Gideon and now the press calling it a living wage.

The living wage is higher than the minimum wage.

That said, wage increases are complex things. Care costs, hotel costs, restaurants etc. will have to go up to meet the increase or people will have to go to keep costs low.

Everyone wants to be paid a decent fair wage but the same everyone wants things cheaply. That isn't possible.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"as part thanks to min wage and new pension rules....my company laying two people off from today....some small bizz cant carry the xtra burded"

The public shouldn't be expected to top up the wages of people who aren't paid enough to live on because companies can't/won't pay them enough.

Why should companies get publicly subsidised labour?

Plenty of companies could pay their staff more but won't. That's disgraceful.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

and what happens to small people who cant afford the new wage and pension changes.....close down .....some don't make big money but keep going...what we need is more economic migrants who work for less money....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some companies build thier whole business model on paying minimum wage so will be doomed to fail eventually as they never intend to pay a real wage, just one they can get away with paying.

Just like the days of youth opportunity jobs they never had any intentions of ever offering a full time job at the end

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a lot of people will loose their job or work less hours

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

You also have to be 25 and over to get it. The job's the same but you're paid less because of age, even if you've been doing the job for four years and your colleagues started yesterday but are older.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and what happens to small people who cant afford the new wage and pension changes.....close down .....some don't make big money but keep going...what we need is more economic migrants who work for less money...."

Yeah, let's turn ourselves into a third world country. We could have shanty towns and everything, because people can't afford to buy or rent decent homes.

What would you suggest as a wage? £2 an hour, or is that excessive and greedy?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

many stats tell us we are already a third world nation .....give it another ten years and we deffo will be.....

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By *antonkid1955Man
over a year ago

cardiff

I agree to a point,,I know families where the children have grown up and flown the nest.one of the parents has left or dies and the sole parent is living in a 3 bedroom house which they claim is theirs,,it is not,,it is social housing .,then you have parents coping with a fully disabled child who needs the spare bedroom for all the equipment,,but the system doesn't allow for councils to make a judgment on who is exempt and who is not.The tickbox has been deliberately omitted for that very reason.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"The only though I have on this is it closes the pay gap at the bottom, as many nurses, teachers and qualified tradesmen will be only on something like £2 and hour more after the debt of study etc, yet the pay gap at the top keeps getting wider.

Funny how the government 'nationalised' the banks but not the steel industry to save it, mind you I don't suppose many who work in Scunthorpe, Port Talbot etc went to Eaton, Oxford or Cambridge, I doubt they are even Lodge members so I guess they are just cannon fodder... Friday rant over

have a nice day!

We do not know the answer to the problem, but would you buy a company that is losing 1 Million a day? "
the money spent supporting RBS would keep port talbot steel works going for 123 years Torys know the price of everything and the value of nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"many stats tell us we are already a third world nation .....give it another ten years and we deffo will be....."

Do you think that's a good thing?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Funny how the government 'nationalised' the banks but not the steel industry to save it"

Funny that...

But there is an unfortunate argument that says steel is a dying heavy industry and it's pointless propping up a dinosaur at the expense of investing in high tech, intelligence-led industries that UK plc is better at...

But then the countre-argument runs that steel is a strategic industry (defence/war for instance) and the UK would be the first 'power' to no longer make it's own steel...

But then we could buy it from the US, France or German, none of whom will turn on us soooo quickly...

However, it could be moth-balled or part-nationalised, at least in the interim while the g'ment works out what to do...

But ultimately I hope it leads to the defenestration of Sajid Javid for carelessly going on holiday with his daughter when the story broke...

Not for that, but for his involvement in a tax-dodging scheme while he worked for Deutche-Bank: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c8c07790-e7a9-11e5-a09b-1f8b0d268c39.html#axzz44Zz06WEI

Complicated, huh?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

The thing I find funny (disturbing) is how the national MINIMUM wage has suddenly become the national LIVING wage...

Add to that the tory idea that NHS doctors, retirement pensions and welfare for all should done away with sort of tells me all I need to know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"as part thanks to min wage and new pension rules....my company laying two people off from today....some small bizz cant carry the xtra burded

The public shouldn't be expected to top up the wages of people who aren't paid enough to live on because companies can't/won't pay them enough.

Why should companies get publicly subsidised labour?

Plenty of companies could pay their staff more but won't. That's disgraceful."
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Excellent point and one that seems to drift by people while saying it's impossible to subsidise the steel industry!, what, are you blind deaf and dumb, we subsidise hundreds of company's on a daily basis!.

The main reason the UK can't compete against foreign steel is everybody else subsidises there steel industry, China, Japan, USA, France all get massively subsidised and then they have the cheek to say oh the UK can't compete, like we're inefficient!.

The UK makes steel more efficiently than China they just manipulate their currency, labour rates, energy prices and subsidises much better than we do.

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Now if you look at the last 30 to 40 years of industry, you might notice that productivity rates have gone up around 300% while wages are actual flat and a working week has only shrunk by 20%.

The labourers have never got an equal share in the fruits but it's gone ridiculously stupid during the last 40 years, which is one of the reasons why we've got wealth inequality of scales never seen before even under the feudal system!!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I really dislike taking away of the emphasis that this should be the minimum wage.

It's the minimum wage folks, however they may like to dress it up. (subject to age, region etc).

I've always felt that paying the absolute minimum should require a business owner to provide evidence in front of an armed committee of union representatives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should be paid the same amount regardless of age or sex for doing the same job.I don't buy into this 25 and over thing at all,same job,same wage.

Where I work,a new starter will get paid the same as everyone else for doing the same job.When we start training them,we don't want them to bugger off somewhere else after 6 months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking as an employer, this living wage and the added pension is really going to eat into my profits... not good!

Harry x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This makes me sick this. Luckily I have a good permanent position but a friend of mine elsewhere has had to sign a new contract or they get sacked. Because they've upped their wage they are no longer paying the half an hour lunch break.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I wish the people who benefit with the extra money all the best and hope they enjoy spending it

I am pleased it can make a difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wish the people who benefit with the extra money all the best and hope they enjoy spending it

I am pleased it can make a difference

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Hammer nail hit.

Spending it, creating markets, growth!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As for minimum wage it will not work because they will just make more positions self employed and so get round that

Yes and then lower paid will be forced to use payroll companies which charge a fee to process payments.

Also the rise in minimum wage is likely to lead to fewer job openings, businesses are unlikely to sacrifice profit to offset cost of the pay rise.

Also the new minimum wage only applies to over 25s which could lead to some age discrimination

Over 25s have always had a higher rate of pay within the minimum wage!

People over 25 are more likely to have higher outgoing's plus more experience within their job. Why should I be paid the same as an 18 year old who has no experience in the job? "

What about a 23/24 year old who's been working for a company since being 18, then a 25+ year old starts on a higher wage than him just because of age?

Plus it's ridiculous to say that someone over 25 is liable to have a higher expenditure than someone under that age.....

This doesn't affect me because I'm earning more than the living wage but it really annoys me.

The nmw up until recently has been in 3 bands under 16-18, 18-21 and 21+.

I'm also a strong believer in the fact that a living wage won't work...because forcing business to put wages up will just increase the price of their products. Making everything more expensive so the raise you thought you had will soon level out?

The same with benefits, someone under 25 on job seekers will receive 50 odd pounds per week where someone over 25 receives 70 odd pounds per week? Surely if under 25s can live on the 50 per week then so can over 25s?

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