FabSwingers.com forum: Charity at home

By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

Does charity truly start at home or should our charitable loyalties lay elsewhere?

There has been a thread here tonight which went considerably off topic due to this question so I thought a dedicated thread might allow us to explore this further.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

most needy first probably?

in a perfect world everyone would be sorted though.

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

It's an imperfect world though

Definitely home first and not to these charities that take up to 80% of your donation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do not restrict my empathy or sympathy by borders. I pay taxes in this country, that is suppose to provide to social safety net. If these funds are misused or misappropriated I am able to use my democratic right to try and change it.

I have worked in the humanitarian sector since I was 23. Although all suffering is atrocious, the suffering I have seen far from these shores, reminds me that I am first human and second British (by happenstance of birth)

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

This is gonna end well

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"most needy first probably?

in a perfect world everyone would be sorted though."

Yes agree but how does one define most needy? At home first? volcano victims? Bombs? Earthquakes? Hurricanes in the US.

Is the third world more deserving because it is the 3rd world?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I may not have a lot and yes charity begins at home but if someone was in need and needed my help then I would x

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

In an ideal world there would be no need for charities, as the State would fulfill its obligations to the poor, sick and needy.

However, we don't live in a perfect world and charities plug the gaps left by the State.

When it comes to whether or not an individual should donate and to whom - be that the local donkey sanctuary or to an AIDS project in Rwanda - that is entirely a matter for the individual.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Charity begins by opening your heart.

Give your love, time, money and energy to the things you care about and don't berate others for their giving where they choose to bestow theirs.

OP, I find it odd that you hammered home your points in another thread to the point that it was closed down and you feel the need to keep that going.

I'll leave you to it as you seem to want the answer to be only what you believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not proud and can say that I have had to use food banks and you could not wish for nicer non judgmental people x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think charity should start wherever you want it to.

We all have our personal opinions and reasons for any charity we choose to give to.

Be a good person, try to do what you can. The sad truth is that it will never really be enough, you can't help everyone, but you can try, you can make a small difference. And that's all you can do really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do not restrict my empathy or sympathy by borders. I pay taxes in this country, that is suppose to provide to social safety net. If these funds are misused or misappropriated I am able to use my democratic right to try and change it.

same

and anyone that's worked with people in real poverty will understand how it hardens you up to many in so called need in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most needy first probably?

in a perfect world everyone would be sorted though.

Yes agree but how does one define most needy? At home first? volcano victims? Bombs? Earthquakes? Hurricanes in the US.

Is the third world more deserving because it is the 3rd world?"

those who will die without help/aid are the most needy.

there's so many factors involved, and sometimes it will even seem to be a pointless exercise to give aid in cases where the factor causing the need is not removed, but it all helps to a degree.

people tend to view those who they can empathise with as those who are worthy of help, which makes sense because your life is based on your experiences, so people are more likely to want to keep charity at home and help those they feel closer to than those who they cannot relate to in any way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most needy first probably?

in a perfect world everyone would be sorted though.

Yes agree but how does one define most needy? At home first? volcano victims? Bombs? Earthquakes? Hurricanes in the US.

Is the third world more deserving because it is the 3rd world?"

Your agenda is transparent I am afraid. Do dying children in the third world (sorry that's a colonial term), deserve more than the homeless in Britain? Depends on who you think you are I guess; human or British.

I am reminded of one story from the recent floods in the north of England, a man who had lost most everything in those floods, lambasted people that had posted on Facebook "would the people of Syria please donate €5 to the victims of floods in Cumbria", I think he used the word "perspective" in his response...

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

I work with the homeless in Bradford and the mental anguish I see night after night is heartbreaking, Our country does not go far enough to help these people yet we continue to chuck money in to hats for overseas charities. I am not saying they aren't deserving too but surely we should look after the people in our own country first?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes mental health is vastly under funded in the UK, with even the basics not covered by the state and left to charities to provide a piss poor (trying there best) service

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"Yes mental health is vastly under funded in the UK, with even the basics not covered by the state and left to charities to provide a piss poor (trying there best) service

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work with the homeless in Bradford and the mental anguish I see night after night is heartbreaking, Our country does not go far enough to help these people yet we continue to chuck money in to hats for overseas charities. I am not saying they aren't deserving too but surely we should look after the people in our own country first?"

I am going to leave this conversation now. I cannot begin to describe to you the horror I have witnessed and my sympathy to the heartbreaking stories you have from Bradford. All suffering is abhorrent. My loyalty lies with ending it for all, not on the basis of imposed national boundaries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all people in 'our own country' or just the British people?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

What about the people in this country that say these people have brought it on themselves, don't use the hostels provided, we have the NHS and that the benefits given are too generous anyway so why give them charity too?

I understand the causes you are supporting here. I have my own experience of them. All I'm saying is that just because I think more can be done for those causes doesn't mean I think less should be done for other causes away from the UK.

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

"I may not have a lot and yes charity begins at home but if someone was in need and needed my help then I would x"

I give to a local food bank every week. I go do my shopping then drop off what I have bought for the food bank. It's not only food I buy. I also buy bleach, cleaning spray and toilet rolls as these are needed as much as the food

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

all people in 'our own country' or just the British people?"

Ah there we go exposed for all to see the antagonist trying to incite the race argument. What a tosser!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i will add once you start acting like some people are more worthy of help than others it's then that we end up with a system like that we have now.

a hierarchy where some are not worthy and others are more so, and this does not make sense to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Financially, I would be interested to know if people felt comfortable giving 1% of their income to charity, as that would solve several issues and offer an equal / fair ish approach. I often ask charity collectors in the street about how my donation would be dispersed or result in direct work, they often simply don't know.

Time wise, there are plenty of people who moan about society who could give time to support the causes that they care for....but don't. Do all people who don't donate their time ever want to, it baffles me? And if people are doing their exact minimum hours when working for a great cause, that doesn't count as volunteering

I do believe there's loads of positives and great work out there, seen it firsthand on numerous occasions. As for abroad or not, personally my view is that I'll offer money to those that I think need it, wherever that may be, financially and time wise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all people in 'our own country' or just the British people?

Ah there we go exposed for all to see the antagonist trying to incite the race argument. What a tosser! "

My interest was more to do with immigration and as to whether it would encourage more of such if the emphasis was on supporting everyone in a particular country.

I made no mention of race.

As for what makes it 'our own country' - I find that of interest too - albeit not perhaps of so much interest from somebody with an attitude like yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I try to avoid these threads. Poor in this country is not always comparable to poor in another. All children have the right here to attend school without paying for it. They don't live on rubbish dumps collecting food to eat or things to sell. Orphans aren't left to fend for themselves. We don't have open sewers running outside our front door. As fellow humans - shouldn't we help?

I had this whole discussion with a member of the older generation yesterday. The media fuels the negativity to foreign aid. They need to stand back and look at the big picture.

Sarah

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out of interest more money is given to the Donkey Sanctuary than homeless charities in the UK and more people would donate to an animal charity than a child illness charity.

People follow their hearts, can we say their hearts are wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money."

As in you personally or the UK?

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money."

Would it make your eyes water less if it were compared to how much we have taken from the rest of the world? Both in lives and money.

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money.

As in you personally or the UK?

Sarah "

Us as a family, my family personally.

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

It's not my place to say where people should donate

BUT it's my choice to support my local food bank and the Yorkshire air ambulance

I give groceries to the food bank and my time and money to the Yorkshire air ambulance

Question is how many do donate on a regular basis either home or abroad

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Out of interest more money is given to the Donkey Sanctuary than homeless charities in the UK and more people would donate to an animal charity than a child illness charity.

People follow their hearts, can we say their hearts are wrong?"

Back in the 90s working in HIV/AIDS we used to say that we'd get more sympathy and donations if donkey's developed a strain of HIV.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money.

Would it make your eyes water less if it were compared to how much we have taken from the rest of the world? Both in lives and money."

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"Out of interest more money is given to the Donkey Sanctuary than homeless charities in the UK and more people would donate to an animal charity than a child illness charity.

People follow their hearts, can we say their hearts are wrong?

Back in the 90s working in HIV/AIDS we used to say that we'd get more sympathy and donations if donkey's developed a strain of HIV.

I agree, people don't matter to so many people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money.

As in you personally or the UK?

Sarah

Us as a family, my family personally."

So that's good. I think giving to charity is a very personal choice.

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"It's not my place to say where people should donate

BUT it's my choice to support my local food bank and the Yorkshire air ambulance

I give groceries to the food bank and my time and money to the Yorkshire air ambulance

Question is how many do donate on a regular basis either home or abroad "

Totally love what you do Mick but why should you have to give to food banks in an allegedly first world country? What has gone wrong here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out of interest more money is given to the Donkey Sanctuary than homeless charities in the UK and more people would donate to an animal charity than a child illness charity.

People follow their hearts, can we say their hearts are wrong?

Back in the 90s working in HIV/AIDS we used to say that we'd get more sympathy and donations if donkey's developed a strain of HIV.

I agree, people don't matter to so many people. "

This isn't true.. sorry. People give to the helpless, animals are defenceless so they engender support. People in developing nations ravaged by wars are perceived as helpless too. HIV in the early 80s and 90s was perceived as self inflicted issues (shameful but true) as are homeless people, whether this is right or wrong it is essentially the psychology of giving, we (as a people) are more inclined to donate to people and things that cannot help themselves and have no structures to support them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I just read the other thread referenced and wow

That places the topic in a very different light and it surprises and saddens me that such attitudes prevail in an educated country like this.

Beyond that, this isn't worthy of debate.

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

Too much getting sent abroad. The EU and the 400 million a year to Pakistan to name but 2

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

"So I just read the other thread referenced and wow

That places the topic in a very different light and it surprises and saddens me that such attitudes prevail in an educated country like this.

Beyond that, this isn't worthy of debate."

Please elaborate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I just read the other thread referenced and wow

That places the topic in a very different light and it surprises and saddens me that such attitudes prevail in an educated country like this.

Beyond that, this isn't worthy of debate."

It is pretty astonishing isn't it? As I have said before, a little compassion and respect for all of those suffering... no matter where. Also, a hearty kick up the bum to those unable to see past the end of their own noses. May I never join their ranks.

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

"So I just read the other thread referenced and wow

That places the topic in a very different light and it surprises and saddens me that such attitudes prevail in an educated country like this.

Beyond that, this isn't worthy of debate.

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By *rincesscaracouple OP Couple
over a year ago

Saltburn

Mental illness effects 1 in 5 British adults many of those live on the streets with no access to medical help. Send a quid to Africa and feel better about yourselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mental illness effects 1 in 5 British adults many of those live on the streets with no access to medical help. Send a quid to Africa and feel better about yourselves."

Enjoy your thread....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money."

that is down to the choice of the individuals supporting those charities..

it doesn't mean they don't donate in time an money to charities 'here' and frankly its no ones business but their own..

you seem to be hell bent on having a row on the back of the previous thread and to be honest with you using sorry hijacking a thread where people were showing empathy for human beings slaughtered by extremists to prove your right is sickening..

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

I had probably still have PTSD from an accident way back in 2001. Some days are better than others. Sometimes I don't even think about it at all. But it will be there for the rest of my life

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

"I do believe it would make most peoples eyes water here to know exactly how much we give to various world charities in both time and money.

that is down to the choice of the individuals supporting those charities..

it doesn't mean they don't donate in time an money to charities 'here' and frankly its no ones business but their own..

Has there been no slaughter in this country. If your answer is no then you have a very short memory

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