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Tories propose end of retirement, scrapping pensions and volunteers to replace NHS doctors

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By *illwill69u OP   Man
over a year ago

moston

If you want to know what’s in store for us in the next wave of Tory ‘reforms’, it’s always handy to take a close look at the Conservative Party’s main activist magazine Conservative Home.

Two articles written recently by Conservative Home’s influential assistant editor Henry Hill, have proposed getting rid of retirement:

“The entire concept of ‘a retirement’ is, after all, an artefact of the welfare system.”

scrapping pensions:

“As medical advances help us stay active longer, the expectation in the future must surely be that whilst you can work, you work – unless you can save enough to pay for a period of idleness yourself.”

and replacing GPs and other doctors with untrained volunteers:

“85 per cent of a typical doctor’s work can be done perfectly well by a ‘physician’s assistant’ with a fraction of the training or wages. Volunteers would receive pay, training, and legal rights to take time out of their ‘civilian’ life to work for so many weeks of the year in the NHS.”

I’m not making any of this up. Read it and weep:

We should face up to the end of ‘retirement’

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

some on here will not be weeping, wanking maybe..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice."

*coBALLSffs*

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"If you want to know what’s in store for us in the next wave of Tory ‘reforms’, it’s always handy to take a close look at the Conservative Party’s main activist magazine Conservative Home.

Two articles written recently by Conservative Home’s influential assistant editor Henry Hill, have proposed getting rid of retirement:

“The entire concept of ‘a retirement’ is, after all, an artefact of the welfare system.”

scrapping pensions:

“As medical advances help us stay active longer, the expectation in the future must surely be that whilst you can work, you work – unless you can save enough to pay for a period of idleness yourself.”

and replacing GPs and other doctors with untrained volunteers:

“85 per cent of a typical doctor’s work can be done perfectly well by a ‘physician’s assistant’ with a fraction of the training or wages. Volunteers would receive pay, training, and legal rights to take time out of their ‘civilian’ life to work for so many weeks of the year in the NHS.”

I’m not making any of this up. Read it and weep:

We should face up to the end of ‘retirement’"

Ah yes *those* Tories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice."

Yeah I agree

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice."

So what, your work till you're knackered and you die?

Yeah, so all the old people stay in work which means the jobs aren't available for the next generation, so the young stay unemployed. Meanwhile the NHS gets hammered as it tried to keep the older generation for to work.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice."

i vociferously agree ... however those who self fund their retirement should be put to good use and be made to do community service.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

i vociferously agree ... however those who self fund their retirement should be put to good use and be made to do community service."

* should read 25 hours community service per week *

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

So what, your work till you're knackered and you die?

Yeah, so all the old people stay in work which means the jobs aren't available for the next generation, so the young stay unemployed. Meanwhile the NHS gets hammered as it tried to keep the older generation for to work.

"

Well my main reasoning is more related to the likelihood of sustained good health while in work. Obviously the work has to be appropriate to your capabilities.

But yes, if you can work.. why shouldn't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

i vociferously agree ... however those who self fund their retirement should be put to good use and be made to do community service."

How about all the people incarcerated in prison do community services?

Why is it that working for thirty years isn't enough?

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By *he feckersCouple
over a year ago

rosyth

save a fortune just euthanase the tory party and any idiot that votes for them self serving scum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

So what, your work till you're knackered and you die?

Yeah, so all the old people stay in work which means the jobs aren't available for the next generation, so the young stay unemployed. Meanwhile the NHS gets hammered as it tried to keep the older generation for to work.

Well my main reasoning is more related to the likelihood of sustained good health while in work. Obviously the work has to be appropriate to your capabilities.

But yes, if you can work.. why shouldn't you?"

How long is enough? Till your too knackered to have any sort of life? Till you drop dead at the desk?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

i vociferously agree ... however those who self fund their retirement should be put to good use and be made to do community service.

How about all the people incarcerated in prison do community services?

Why is it that working for thirty years isn't enough? "

Only 30 years might aswell not bother working at all lol.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Retirement should be at 60 if you want it,but younger people should get out and work so the older people can have higher pensions.

Before you all start to shout at me,there is work it is that people do not want to do the jobs around or get the qualifications,These are the people ruining the rights of older and truelly disabled people etc.It is not the governments fault

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

So what, your work till you're knackered and you die?

Yeah, so all the old people stay in work which means the jobs aren't available for the next generation, so the young stay unemployed. Meanwhile the NHS gets hammered as it tried to keep the older generation for to work.

Well my main reasoning is more related to the likelihood of sustained good health while in work. Obviously the work has to be appropriate to your capabilities.

But yes, if you can work.. why shouldn't you?

How long is enough? Till your too knackered to have any sort of life? Till you drop dead at the desk?

"

No limit - if you're fit enough to work.. you can work

Is there any good reason not to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"save a fortune just euthanase the tory party and any idiot that votes for them self serving scum "

So somebody who has a different political opinion to you is an idiot.Really well thought out response that is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

So what, your work till you're knackered and you die?

Yeah, so all the old people stay in work which means the jobs aren't available for the next generation, so the young stay unemployed. Meanwhile the NHS gets hammered as it tried to keep the older generation for to work.

Well my main reasoning is more related to the likelihood of sustained good health while in work. Obviously the work has to be appropriate to your capabilities.

But yes, if you can work.. why shouldn't you?

How long is enough? Till your too knackered to have any sort of life? Till you drop dead at the desk?

No limit - if you're fit enough to work.. you can work

Is there any good reason not to?"

Yes. Quite a few, some if of which I've mentioned already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happily saving up for my retirement at 55 and the Tory party are not going to be able to stop me. I see no other way than saving and investing heavily now to head off the pittance they plan on giving to people.

And as for being put to use no thanks I plan on chilling and growing old disgracefully while warming my bones in sunnier climes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have they sold off the land registry yet, on the quiet of course!

Sorry anyone who voted for them then moans gets laughed at by us, you were warned they tell lies! How's that defector going George? What you mean it's as big as ever, after 6 years? Well well well

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By *he feckersCouple
over a year ago

rosyth


"save a fortune just euthanase the tory party and any idiot that votes for them self serving scum

So somebody who has a different political opinion to you is an idiot.Really well thought out response that is. "

destroying the NHS demonising the unemployed screwing the disabled while giving tax breaks to their rich pals illegal wars and the list goes on

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"I'm happily saving up for my retirement at 55 and the Tory party are not going to be able to stop me. I see no other way than saving and investing heavily now to head off the pittance they plan on giving to people.

And as for being put to use no thanks I plan on chilling and growing old disgracefully while warming my bones in sunnier climes. "

The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,

Gang aft agley,

An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,

For promis'd joy!

(no that's not autocorrect on crack ..... it's robbie burns)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is there any good reason not to?

Yes. Quite a few, some if of which I've mentioned already"

I said "good reason' - not ranty reasons just cos you don't like the idea.

If it challenges the notion of life that you waste most of it working and then eventually retire, at which point your health declines because you have no purpose in life..

If it stops employers looking at people of a certain age as pointless because they're approaching retirement..

I see those as good arguments for considering the idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People aren't gonna need a parliament soon.

We've got everything we need to make our own collectives. We can see how the system is failing us, and has been for a long time, since it was started really - probably because it was started so that some people don't have to make much effort to hold onto their power and take everyone elses money.

We will educate each other for our own protection and care.

They slag off people who do anything to protect themselves from this crumbling, shitty system that takes away from you, your life, your money, your self worth. People aren't putting up with that any more and now they have a voice and the ability to spread that voice.

They've never had and real control. Violence and force isn't control, and what little they did have is disappearing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm happily saving up for my retirement at 55 and the Tory party are not going to be able to stop me. I see no other way than saving and investing heavily now to head off the pittance they plan on giving to people.

And as for being put to use no thanks I plan on chilling and growing old disgracefully while warming my bones in sunnier climes.

The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,

Gang aft agley,

An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,

For promis'd joy!

(no that's not autocorrect on crack ..... it's robbie burns)"

Bricks and Mortar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't bother fighting them and their ideas. Make up your own. But if you can't do that then...

Use the system for your own ends until it becomes fair, force it to become fair if you're gonna rely on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People aren't gonna need a parliament soon.

We've got everything we need to make our own collectives. We can see how the system is failing us, and has been for a long time, since it was started really - probably because it was started so that some people don't have to make much effort to hold onto their power and take everyone elses money.

We will educate each other for our own protection and care.

They slag off people who do anything to protect themselves from this crumbling, shitty system that takes away from you, your life, your money, your self worth. People aren't putting up with that any more and now they have a voice and the ability to spread that voice.

They've never had and real control. Violence and force isn't control, and what little they did have is disappearing."

I like this kind of thinking.

Unfortunately there are a surprising amount of stupid people in the population that will prevent this kind of system from happening or working.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

it would be a good idea to make children and teachers do 25hrs community service during the academic breaks too.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Have they sold off the land registry yet, on the quiet of course!

Sorry anyone who voted for them then moans gets laughed at by us, you were warned they tell lies! How's that defector going George? What you mean it's as big as ever, after 6 years? Well well well"
I would say the labour party tells a lot more lies than the tories.All parties tell lies because the world changes everyday and they have to adapt so what you say today may not be possible tomorrow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Already there's more talk about right vs left than the actual idea!

I wouldn't throw a pigs head to a Tory stuck down a well.. doesn't mean all their ideas are shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

i vociferously agree ... however those who self fund their retirement should be put to good use and be made to do community service.

How about all the people incarcerated in prison do community services?

Why is it that working for thirty years isn't enough? "
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Thirty years sounds really good... I'm 46 next year so I'm nearly there! ... Oh wait, yeah no just checked I've got another 25 to go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do what everyone else does get a new job I've had to change my career role 6 times so far at my own expense stop bitchen and get on with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People aren't gonna need a parliament soon.

We've got everything we need to make our own collectives. We can see how the system is failing us, and has been for a long time, since it was started really - probably because it was started so that some people don't have to make much effort to hold onto their power and take everyone elses money.

We will educate each other for our own protection and care.

They slag off people who do anything to protect themselves from this crumbling, shitty system that takes away from you, your life, your money, your self worth. People aren't putting up with that any more and now they have a voice and the ability to spread that voice.

They've never had and real control. Violence and force isn't control, and what little they did have is disappearing.

I like this kind of thinking.

Unfortunately there are a surprising amount of stupid people in the population that will prevent this kind of system from happening or working."

I don't know if people are getting more stupid or not. I know they focus on the wrong things, why they do that i'm not sure but i do think it's to escape their shit lives (or more to escape lives they think are shit).

Newer generations are more open minded, this helps a lot.

We need some really good forms of entertainment to get people to focus on the right things. Maybe turn them into guides on how to change life for the better and how to have more control over your own life, instead of being so passive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm happily saving up for my retirement at 55 and the Tory party are not going to be able to stop me. I see no other way than saving and investing heavily now to head off the pittance they plan on giving to people.

And as for being put to use no thanks I plan on chilling and growing old disgracefully while warming my bones in sunnier climes. "
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Hell don't worry about it. All those tyres you've burnt, you won't need to emigrate, it'll be 30 degrees in Milton by then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People aren't gonna need a parliament soon.

We've got everything we need to make our own collectives. We can see how the system is failing us, and has been for a long time, since it was started really - probably because it was started so that some people don't have to make much effort to hold onto their power and take everyone elses money.

We will educate each other for our own protection and care.

They slag off people who do anything to protect themselves from this crumbling, shitty system that takes away from you, your life, your money, your self worth. People aren't putting up with that any more and now they have a voice and the ability to spread that voice.

They've never had and real control. Violence and force isn't control, and what little they did have is disappearing.

I like this kind of thinking.

Unfortunately there are a surprising amount of stupid people in the population that will prevent this kind of system from happening or working.

I don't know if people are getting more stupid or not. I know they focus on the wrong things, why they do that i'm not sure but i do think it's to escape their shit lives (or more to escape lives they think are shit).

Newer generations are more open minded, this helps a lot.

We need some really good forms of entertainment to get people to focus on the right things. Maybe turn them into guides on how to change life for the better and how to have more control over your own life, instead of being so passive."
.

Mmm good forms of entertainment that won't make people stupid.

Right that's bbc1 ITV123 and 4 channel 4 and channel 5s entire summer season cancelled

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm happily saving up for my retirement at 55 and the Tory party are not going to be able to stop me. I see no other way than saving and investing heavily now to head off the pittance they plan on giving to people.

And as for being put to use no thanks I plan on chilling and growing old disgracefully while warming my bones in sunnier climes. .

Hell don't worry about it. All those tyres you've burnt, you won't need to emigrate, it'll be 30 degrees in Milton by then"

Ha ha I remember that. And the beach will be closer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what happens is,you put your money into a bank or investment company,where they use it to gamble on stocks and shares or invest it in buying bad debts and they lose all your pension money. The bottom will eventually fall out of the property market when the Government stop paying landlords housing benefit or whatever it's called now. You'll retire when they lay you in your coffin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm happily saving up for my retirement at 55 and the Tory party are not going to be able to stop me. I see no other way than saving and investing heavily now to head off the pittance they plan on giving to people.

And as for being put to use no thanks I plan on chilling and growing old disgracefully while warming my bones in sunnier climes. .

Hell don't worry about it. All those tyres you've burnt, you won't need to emigrate, it'll be 30 degrees in Milton by then

Ha ha I remember that. And the beach will be closer "
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Aye somewhere around Oxford to Berkshire.

Fear not I've already got a cunning plan with stilts

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"So what happens is,you put your money into a bank or investment company,where they use it to gamble on stocks and shares or invest it in buying bad debts and they lose all your pension money. The bottom will eventually fall out of the property market when the Government stop paying landlords housing benefit or whatever it's called now. You'll retire when they lay you in your coffin."

you seem to have a problem with that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what happens is,you put your money into a bank or investment company,where they use it to gamble on stocks and shares or invest it in buying bad debts and they lose all your pension money. The bottom will eventually fall out of the property market when the Government stop paying landlords housing benefit or whatever it's called now. You'll retire when they lay you in your coffin."
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Aha, a tuned in viewer.

Remember it's not their fault... There all shepple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are all going to be ok don't worry. If we worry about the what ifs we may as well lay down now.

Perhaps I better invest in bars of gold to be on the safe side.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what happens is,you put your money into a bank or investment company,where they use it to gamble on stocks and shares or invest it in buying bad debts and they lose all your pension money. The bottom will eventually fall out of the property market when the Government stop paying landlords housing benefit or whatever it's called now. You'll retire when they lay you in your coffin.

you seem to have a problem with that"
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Best thing the establishment ever did for us!!

Shud up you... Oh yes sir, very sorry!.

Bloody establishment

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Hey, if I have to pay taxes for my parents generation to retire, I should have the next generation pay for me. Especially as I spent 18 years and a considerable amount of money bringing a kid up just so I could be looked after!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are all going to be ok don't worry. If we worry about the what ifs we may as well lay down now.

Perhaps I better invest in bars of gold to be on the safe side. "
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Bars of gold!!.

Hell if you can afford a bar count me in..

Thats just a bar, not a bar of gold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm happily saving up for my retirement at 55 and the Tory party are not going to be able to stop me. I see no other way than saving and investing heavily now to head off the pittance they plan on giving to people.

And as for being put to use no thanks I plan on chilling and growing old disgracefully while warming my bones in sunnier climes. "
Bloody well said .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what happens is,you put your money into a bank or investment company,where they use it to gamble on stocks and shares or invest it in buying bad debts and they lose all your pension money. The bottom will eventually fall out of the property market when the Government stop paying landlords housing benefit or whatever it's called now. You'll retire when they lay you in your coffin.

you seem to have a problem with that"

I'll be dead,it won't be my money they lose in bad investments. Or my house that is worth less than I paid for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People aren't gonna need a parliament soon.

We've got everything we need to make our own collectives. We can see how the system is failing us, and has been for a long time, since it was started really - probably because it was started so that some people don't have to make much effort to hold onto their power and take everyone elses money.

We will educate each other for our own protection and care.

They slag off people who do anything to protect themselves from this crumbling, shitty system that takes away from you, your life, your money, your self worth. People aren't putting up with that any more and now they have a voice and the ability to spread that voice.

They've never had and real control. Violence and force isn't control, and what little they did have is disappearing.

I like this kind of thinking.

Unfortunately there are a surprising amount of stupid people in the population that will prevent this kind of system from happening or working.

I don't know if people are getting more stupid or not. I know they focus on the wrong things, why they do that i'm not sure but i do think it's to escape their shit lives (or more to escape lives they think are shit).

Newer generations are more open minded, this helps a lot.

We need some really good forms of entertainment to get people to focus on the right things. Maybe turn them into guides on how to change life for the better and how to have more control over your own life, instead of being so passive..

Mmm good forms of entertainment that won't make people stupid.

Right that's bbc1 ITV123 and 4 channel 4 and channel 5s entire summer season cancelled "

Lol. I cancelled m viewing years ago. Really am surprised anyone still watches TV in this day and age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are all going to be ok don't worry. If we worry about the what ifs we may as well lay down now.

Perhaps I better invest in bars of gold to be on the safe side. .

Bars of gold!!.

Hell if you can afford a bar count me in..

Thats just a bar, not a bar of gold "

You can buy them online. When I was in Dubai you could buy them out of a vending machine although we are not talking your movie style gold bars. More like small chocolate bar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are all going to be ok don't worry. If we worry about the what ifs we may as well lay down now.

Perhaps I better invest in bars of gold to be on the safe side. .

Bars of gold!!.

Hell if you can afford a bar count me in..

Thats just a bar, not a bar of gold

You can buy them online. When I was in Dubai you could buy them out of a vending machine although we are not talking your movie style gold bars. More like small chocolate bar.

"
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Golds good, I'd think there's more value in silver to be honest, especially as were going to need a shit load for all these solar panels and technological gizmos!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't save cash though!.

There already making plans to ban it!!..

I feel sorry for these Sheeple occasionally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you vote Tory you either have money or your coming into money when your rich mummy and daddy pops it. Or you just dont get politics. Worryingly the majority of the country are in these categories.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"Don't save cash though!.

There already making plans to ban it!!..

I feel sorry for these Sheeple occasionally "

just write "bitcoin" all over the cash with a sharpie .... problem solved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't save cash though!.

There already making plans to ban it!!..

I feel sorry for these Sheeple occasionally

just write "bitcoin" all over the cash with a sharpie .... problem solved"
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Plenty of value in the blog chain!

I just prefer something that doesn't require a system controlled fundermentally by the people who are going to be repressing you!... No I've got all my stock in tinned peaches and bottles of wine!!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

Crumpet Castle

There is no real need for any of us to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Why is it that working for thirty years isn't enough? "

Because...if you work for 30 years (having already lived for 20 without making any contribution so being supported by others). And for that 30 years you put aside 10% of your salary (the average is actually significantly less btw) you then expect to sit on your ass for the next 32 years (taking you to 82...the current life expectancy) being paid for! OUT OF WHAT? The 10% you put aside?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice."
so steel fixers,concreters,brickys,care assistant,nurses,anyone with a physically demanding job?and how about wagon n bus drivers 'working till they drop' lol screening passengers! Haha original retirement was cos life expectancy for men 67 so you worked,then had two years to put house in order n .......die

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By *illwill69u OP   Man
over a year ago

moston

Am I the only one to see this and what is already being done as an attack on all of us? I doubt that there are any billionaires here, maybe a few of their lackeys who use their intelligence to transfer our collective wealth into the hands of a very few for their 30 pieces of silver. But from where I am looking at this I see a trend to return all capital wealth, land and power to a privileged elite while returning the vast majority of us to serfdom. Like it or not serfdom and slavery are the same thing, and from the tone of many if not most of the posts here the targets of this are all in favour.

Maybe most of the sheeple think they are judas goats.

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By *hav02Man
over a year ago

Glasgow/London

After a certain age, those who want to work will work. Those who rather relax spend time with grandkids or see the world should be entitled to do so. When I'm 60+ I'd much rather spend my last 20yrs enjoying free life after serving the economy for many decades. I'd not want to be forced to work till I'm dead.

If Tories want the latter, pensions should be scrapped entirely.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

Crumpet Castle

'If you can work , you SHOULD work'

What a silly fucking idea.

Scenario ...... Woman has been teaching a class of 30 kids since she was 25.

She is now 75/80. Do YOU want your child in her class ?

So get another job you say....

Scenario 2...... She leaves teaching at 70 and looks for another job. You'd take her on........ wouldn't you ? If there is a job for pissing your pants and saying 'What did you say ? all day long.

So are we supposed to work for 40 years and save every penny so that we can eat a meal a day up until death ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

Crumpet Castle

I can't wait to get into a taxi being driven by an 85 year old who can't hear a fucking word, keeps mounting the pavement and the dole queue is full of desperate 25 year olds........

Time for carousel methinks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I kind of agree that 'if you can work, you should work' - for lots of reasons. Obviously if you can afford not to, that's your choice.

So what, your work till you're knackered and you die?

Yeah, so all the old people stay in work which means the jobs aren't available for the next generation, so the young stay unemployed. Meanwhile the NHS gets hammered as it tried to keep the older generation for to work.

Well my main reasoning is more related to the likelihood of sustained good health while in work. Obviously the work has to be appropriate to your capabilities.

But yes, if you can work.. why shouldn't you?

How long is enough? Till your too knackered to have any sort of life? Till you drop dead at the desk?

"

Try working heavy graft on oil rigs for 3 weeks at a time of 12 - 14 hour shifts

Osborne wouldn't last 1 day, the little toss pot; he will push things so far that he will eventually get assassinated

will anyone miss him?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

Crumpet Castle

If i'm still working at 85 my hands might shake as I take aim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If i'm still working at 85 my hands might shake as I take aim. "

there are still a lot of retired snipers in UK

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"If you want to know what’s in store for us in the next wave of Tory ‘reforms’, it’s always handy to take a close look at the Conservative Party’s main activist magazine Conservative Home.

Two articles written recently by Conservative Home’s influential assistant editor Henry Hill, have proposed getting rid of retirement:

“The entire concept of ‘a retirement’ is, after all, an artefact of the welfare system.”

scrapping pensions:

“As medical advances help us stay active longer, the expectation in the future must surely be that whilst you can work, you work – unless you can save enough to pay for a period of idleness yourself.”

and replacing GPs and other doctors with untrained volunteers:

“85 per cent of a typical doctor’s work can be done perfectly well by a ‘physician’s assistant’ with a fraction of the training or wages. Volunteers would receive pay, training, and legal rights to take time out of their ‘civilian’ life to work for so many weeks of the year in the NHS.”

I’m not making any of this up. Read it and weep:

We should face up to the end of ‘retirement’

"

This is a think tank. All political parties have them and all companies operate brain storming sessions for thinking outside of the box.

There is nothing wrong with thinking outside the box because that is where all the best ideas get formulated. Many people die shortly after retirement because they lose their purpose in life. Many admin jobs that Doctors undertake can be done by less qualified people. These are facts and a forward thinking government (of any disposition) should always be thinking outside the box as a means of improving the livelihood of the nation.

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By *histle While You WorkCouple
over a year ago

Redditch

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By *illwill69u OP   Man
over a year ago

moston


"This is a think tank. All political parties have them and all companies operate brain storming sessions for thinking outside of the box.

There is nothing wrong with thinking outside the box because that is where all the best ideas get formulated. Many people die shortly after retirement because they lose their purpose in life. Many admin jobs that Doctors undertake can be done by less qualified people. These are facts and a forward thinking government (of any disposition) should always be thinking outside the box as a means of improving the livelihood of the nation."

Think tanks are where policy is formed and methods of implementing that policy without causing revolt and revolution are worked out. Rather than looking for ways to defend what is being proposed you should be up in arms and screaming "NOT IN MY NAME!"

That you are not says much about your political naivety.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"This is a think tank. All political parties have them and all companies operate brain storming sessions for thinking outside of the box.

There is nothing wrong with thinking outside the box because that is where all the best ideas get formulated. Many people die shortly after retirement because they lose their purpose in life. Many admin jobs that Doctors undertake can be done by less qualified people. These are facts and a forward thinking government (of any disposition) should always be thinking outside the box as a means of improving the livelihood of the nation.

Think tanks are where policy is formed and methods of implementing that policy without causing revolt and revolution are worked out. Rather than looking for ways to defend what is being proposed you should be up in arms and screaming "NOT IN MY NAME!"

That you are not says much about your political naivety."

Again... It is a think tank and not a policy. The fact that you have created this "policy" in your imagination simply illustrates your own desire to put your own political spin on every post that you can. It is a think tank, it is not a policy.

Labour, LibDems, Greens and UKIP also have think tanks where they too think outside the box as a way of dealing with issues in society. It is perfectly normal and an absolute non issue.

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