FabSwingers.com forum: Should we try and teach foolish people?

By *otblondewife hornyMr OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambuslang

Often a point of contention between me and j. If someone drives badly I am of the feeling to let them know. If someone is rude I point it out. If someone queues in a pub like it's a post office I stand at the bar (all be it I let them get served first normally) any point in my stubborness or are they beyond help?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Try not to be intolerant about it but yes, there's always room to improve on other people's ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only ones who are truly foolish are those who think that they have nothing to learn....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only if they seem open minded enough to learn and not just think their way is the only way, it's good to teach but not everyone is prepared to learn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Often a point of contention between me and j. If someone drives badly I am of the feeling to let them know. If someone is rude I point it out. If someone queues in a pub like it's a post office I stand at the bar (all be it I let them get served first normally) any point in my stubborness or are they beyond help?"

Your examples do not suggest any great degree of "foolishness."

We can all learn. If you believe the words of business leaders, then a little foolishness is not a bad thing.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I think it's you that has a lot to learn.

Let's begin by wiping some of the superiority off your sleeve.

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By *ayd2pinkTV/TS
over a year ago

TENTERDEN

If I fell uncomfortable about someone's driving I tell them I don't feel safe and would rather enjoy the rare experience of being able to look around instead of making sure I didn't have an accident.

Usually works.

My Dad bless him used to say "any idiot can drive fast but to drive smoothly & safely takes more effort"

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By *otblondewife hornyMr OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambuslang

So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??"

Not entirely sure why queuing at a bar is an inately dangerous action.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??"

What do you think ? Are you qualified to ?

Take care of your own behaviour.

That's all it takes from everyone for the world to be a good place.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Criticism of a mans driving is like telling him he is a bad shag.

Proceed at your peril

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??"

But what happens if they're not in the wrong & it's your judgement that is actually incorrect?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??

But what happens if they're not in the wrong & it's your judgement that is actually incorrect?"

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

He hasn't thought it out that far yet.

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By *ordonBennettMan
over a year ago

dover

"So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??

Not entirely sure why queuing at a bar is an inately dangerous action."

I'm still baffled by that example....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Oh c'mon Gordon! If you Q at a bar then you can't break sweat that the barmaid knows its' your turn .. you can't shout .. oi love im next.... or if the bloke is small you can't shout ... oi dickead it's my turn.. and everyone knows that the person in front could put your eye out with an elbow if you queue.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Criticism of a mans driving is like telling him he is a bad shag.

Proceed at your peril"

You do ten point turns and with a wobble

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Foolishness I can generally forgive and I hope others can forgive it in me on the occasions I undoubtedly display it.

Ignorance on the other hand, I really, really struggle to tolerate and feel almost compelled to act upon.

Yesterday's example was queueing in a very crowded KFC where people were struggling to find seats and it was too busy for the staff to spend time clearing tables.

I asked perhaps 4 or 5 separate groups of people if they would be good enough to clear their table imto the bin so that others might use the table after they got up to leave and left the table covered in trays and wrappers.

Every single group apologised and cleared their table, which in itself suggests to me they knew they were being ignorant and so had no retort.

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By *elle2016Woman
over a year ago

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"The only ones who are truly foolish are those who think that they have nothing to learn....

Precisely this

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??

Not entirely sure why queuing at a bar is an inately dangerous action."
im a bit slow today im still working it out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we can all be foolish or unknowledgeable with some things, and be top of the game in other aspects in life,

one person may appear the fool in certain circumstances but also have a huge wealth of knowledge

never presume

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"we can all be foolish or unknowledgeable with some things, and be top of the game in other aspects in life,

one person may appear the fool in certain circumstances but also have a huge wealth of knowledge

never presume"

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I am an advanced motorist. I learned long ago that if a less experienced driver makes a poor judgement it is best to keep my distance and aim to keep the roads safe for myself and others. Sometimes they like to 'PARP' loudly. It's their lack of confidence, their fear and their lack of knowledge and courtesy that make them think they must 'defend their own honour'...... they will grow up eventually and teach by example and HOPEFULLY lose the need to appear arrogant , condescending and supersilious.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

So your reaosn for leaving a table covered in your litter for other customers to clear up would be what? If not selfish and ignorant?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love having the error of my ways pointed out by those who think they know better.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"I love having the error of my ways pointed out by those who think they know better.

So do I. Literally. If I've unintentionally been ignorant or impolite I would much rather have someone mention so that a deserved apology can be given and appreciated than have them think I'm an ignorant twat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

Litter bug

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

Litter bug"

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I love having the error of my ways pointed out by those who think they know better.

You're certainly in the right place for that

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

If no-one was foolish, we`d have no Darwin Awards!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can do what you want but be prepared for a gob full from some people who don't wanna hear what you have to say, and they might point out what they see as your faults also.

I'd say education is best, but it has to suit the person you're trying to educate and not the educator.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So I shouldn't point out dangerous actions of others and those that put others out? Surely if nobody tells you that you are wrong then you won't learn??"

Not whilst driving no, best to just concentrate on your own not dangerous actions especially when behind the wheel..

none of us despite some liking to assume so do 'know everything' and the day we stop learning is probably the day the lights go out..

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

Litter bug"

If it's on the table is it litter ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

Litter bug

If it's on the table is it litter ?"

Yes,if you leave it behind in an establishment that doesn't have waitress service.

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By *piritsonfabCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

I'd have to be absolutely sure i was correct before I'd pull someone up. And generally give the benefit of the doubt in most areas. Or just keep my nose out.

But treat my child badly and woe betide you lol - someone pushed in front of her when she was queuing politely and were left in no doubt they were behaving like ignoramuses. I have developed a skill of being very pointed whilst remaining very polite and few know how to respond

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

Litter bug

If it's on the table is it litter ?

Yes,if you leave it behind in an establishment that doesn't have waitress service. "

I'd disagree.

There is no such definition of litter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

Litter bug

If it's on the table is it litter ?

Yes,if you leave it behind in an establishment that doesn't have waitress service. "

What if it is a place that SHOULD have a table cleaning and clearing service, are you not helping to teach then by leaving it on the table?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Any of the fast food places with litter bins and tray stacks are giving you the opportunity to put your litter in the bin.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't. Your hardly teaching a 16yr old in minimum wage a lesson by leaving your litter on the table.

Generally I'm not bothered if people do or not but in this instance (a KFC opposite a cinema half an hour before the big film on a Good Friday) it was just exceptionally busy with families waiting for places to sit down and people having to clear other people's litter to get to a table.

In this circumstance, if you think it's reasonable to stand up and walk past someone who now has to throw your litter in the bin to sit at the table then you are ignorant and selfish In the most literal sense of the both words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any of the fast food places with litter bins and tray stacks are giving you the opportunity to put your litter in the bin. "

I take your point, and I wouldn't be in that place so not personally affected. but you missed my point, it is the owners of the restaurant that should be taught they need to be employing 2 16 year olds on minimum wage. not expecting the customers to do it for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who are we to deem who is foolish and who isn't? Education is one of the most important part of a youngsters formulative life. And we should never stop learning. But it's a dangerous game to decide who dictates who needs to learn what, based on personal preferences.

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By *-elleWoman
over a year ago

Romford

"I wouldn't have cleared the tables for you.

I'm not ignorant though.

Litter bug

If it's on the table is it litter ?

Yes,if you leave it behind in an establishment that doesn't have waitress service.

I'd disagree.

There is no such definition of litter. "
lf something is disgarded then yes by definition it is litter. You have a very feable arguement for what is effectively Slovenliness.

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