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"  No "What about my other £25? My wife is a middle income earner too. They gonna rob us of £50 to dish out to some poor people we don't even know? That £50 could buy us 5 large tins of formula milk for our baby. They're taking food of out my son's mouth to give some lazy bone idle druggie! Drive 'em all into the sea, I say! Leave the country for us priviledged ones! | |||
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"My question is this: Will I get my £25 back? "Well I think they will tell you that you could be entitled to it back. However before deciding whether you are or not entitled, you'll have to go down to the government offices and fill in dozens of forms, in triplicate, provide them with all your financial records, go back for an interview, then wait for a phone call from a supervisor and, if the rubber stampers in the back office say yes, wait 12 weeks to receive it. 
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"My question is this: Will I get my £25 back?
Well I think they will tell you that you could be entitled to it back. However before deciding whether you are or not entitled, you'll have to go down to the government offices and fill in dozens of forms, in triplicate, provide them with all your financial records, go back for an interview, then wait for a phone call from a supervisor and, if the rubber stampers in the back office say yes, wait 12 weeks to receive it.
But most probably not. "I could, of course, sell all my possessions, find the local scally drug dealer, spend everything I've got on Class A Heroin, lose my house, car, wife & job and take to mugging random strangers. I bet I'd get my £25 back then.. with interest. | |||
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"I could, of course, sell all my possessions, find the local scally drug dealer, spend everything I've got on Class A Heroin, lose my house, car, wife & job and take to mugging random strangers. I bet I'd get my £25 back then.. with interest." Exactly - unfortunately the only interest would be by some Government Drug Csar doing a survey. | |||
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"where are these jobs coming from ...its great to see our government can conjure up jobs from nothing. more hot air from the parties that like you to hear what they think you want to hear!" Good point. I was just watching Andrew Neil excoriate a New Labour shadow minister over their pathetic record in power. At least 70% of new jobs went to foreign nationals whilst they swept this country's underclass under the carpet, helping to (almost) bankrupt the state in the process. They should have been training the unemployed in this country to fill the jobs that were available rather than simply signing blank cheques for benefit. And so now we have one million 18-24 year olds out of work, graduates fighting over unpaid internships, and the Tories rubbing their hands in glee. | |||
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"I'm just a tad pissed off today." ... *stops reading and wanders off* ... | |||
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"I must say though that I hope we are not going to constantly be fed political sound bites and tabloid hysteria about the very small minority of 'wasters and cheats' out there. " We are  | |||
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"Interesting to note that the proposal for a 10% cut to housing benefit for anyone on jobseekers' allowance for more than a year has been unceremoniously dumped. Another Tory u turn "I would hope that these lazy fuckers who should be working will be given an unceremonious kick up the arse, found a job and ordered to work thus reducing their benefits by 100%! But that's just what I'd do if I was in the Big Chair.  | |||
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"Kind of funny that this was announced the day after the unemployment figures rose by the highest monthly increase since 1993.... All very well coming out with these schemes and brainwaves....but where are the jobs going to come from? There is absolutely no incentive for small to medium businesses to employ more staff at the moment....quite why this bungling government hasn't tied this in with tax breaks for businesses is anyones guess. " There's no need for incentives for anyone to employ anyone because there's no great demand for staff in just about any sector of the economy because there's no strategy for growth and little export led demand. The first sign of any upturn will see some of the many part-time employees looking to full-time employment. Once that reservoir has dried up and IF, a big if, there's growth in the economy some inroads might be made into unemployment. | |||
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"I'm just a tad pissed off today. IDS wants to rob yet more middle-income money and slosh it out to the poor like some sort of modern day Robin Hood. He says that the poorest will benefit by £25 more in their pockets each week with his new reforms and extra funding will be found to initiate new drugs-free programmes. What's wrong with that, you say? He then went on to say that after we've chucked loadsa money at the poor and the druggies he'll off them a job. Great! Excellent even... but.. If they don't take it they will have their benefits cut .. ..which will leave them poor once again and probably shooting up outside the benefits office the very next day. My question is this: Will I get my £25 back? "Dont believe a word of it, its all about cutting money
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"Kind of funny that this was announced the day after the unemployment figures rose by the highest monthly increase since 1993.... All very well coming out with these schemes and brainwaves....but where are the jobs going to come from? There is absolutely no incentive for small to medium businesses to employ more staff at the moment....quite why this bungling government hasn't tied this in with tax breaks for businesses is anyones guess. There's no need for incentives for anyone to employ anyone because there's no great demand for staff in just about any sector of the economy because there's no strategy for growth and little export led demand. The first sign of any upturn will see some of the many part-time employees looking to full-time employment. Once that reservoir has dried up and IF, a big if, there's growth in the economy some inroads might be made into unemployment. " Wise words | |||
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" There's no need for incentives for anyone to employ anyone because there's no great demand for staff in just about any sector of the economy because there's no strategy for growth and little export led demand. The first sign of any upturn will see some of the many part-time employees looking to full-time employment. Once that reservoir has dried up and IF, a big if, there's growth in the economy some inroads might be made into unemployment. Wise words" Thank you. I'd love to say it's just basic post neoclassical endogenous growth theory but Gordon would think I'm taking the piss  | |||
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" I personally think this government has done a good job so far by cutting the sick etc George Osborne has it spot on sick notes and scroungers will have to fine work soon or no luxury befits no more there is work for everyone if they get of their arse why should we pay taxes for people that don’t want to work, no body job is safe but I would never would want to sign on I rather work for buttons if my job went today. Next election I will vote for the Tories at first I did not like them but they have done what they say they are going to do mobility cars will be next to be scrapped cutting the spending is working so far " i have to agree
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"Sssshh.. you're not supposed to tell anyone you support what the govt are doing, the jocks don't like it. "Now, now. It isn't that we don't like it (even though we don't) - it's simply that we don't do it. One Tory MP returned from the whole of Scotland. People talk about the West Lothain question but where's the reciprocal 'fairness' in one Tory MP from Scotland and the Tory-led coalition gets to shut one (for sure) and maybe another RAF base in Scotland? | |||
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"I work in a bank and you wouldnt believe the amount of benefits some people get ii seems wrong that there are generations of families where no one works!!" Nothing like a bit of customer confidentiality...... | |||
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"Sssshh.. you're not supposed to tell anyone you support what the govt are doing, the jocks don't like it.
Now, now. It isn't that we don't like it (even though we don't) - it's simply that we don't do it. One Tory MP returned from the whole of Scotland.
People talk about the West Lothain question but where's the reciprocal 'fairness' in one Tory MP from Scotland and the Tory-led coalition gets to shut one (for sure) and maybe another RAF base in Scotland?"Shut all the RAF bases in Scotland, and the Army bases, and the Navy ones too. Then build up the wall by another dozen feet, tell ya to take yer bloody flag and go on ya merry way. Then we here in England will never have to endure another Labour government. (and we won't have to support your mob financially from Westminster either.) ..and ya can have ya oil fields back cos we won't need them in 10-15 years time when we're all on electric cars. Ta. | |||
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"I work in a bank and you wouldnt believe the amount of benefits some people get ii seems wrong that there are generations of families where no one works!! Nothing like a bit of customer confidentiality......" ...and that, as they say, is nothing like customer confidentiality. Seriously thought, where would the Torygraph get all the dirt on benefit 'scroungers' if it weren't for people like bank employees? They'd have to make it up
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"I work in a bank and you wouldnt believe the amount of benefits some people get ii seems wrong that there are generations of families where no one works!! Nothing like a bit of customer confidentiality......" Who's confidentiality has been broken? No names have been mentioned, nor any specifics about any account. I work for a telecoms company and we often listen in on calls whilst repairing lines. I've heard people arranging secret trysts without the husband knowing about it (it's usually married women playing away when I've listened in, I assume married men come on here ), and I've heard drug dealer's setting up drops.
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"Sssshh.. you're not supposed to tell anyone you support what the govt are doing, the jocks don't like it.
Now, now. It isn't that we don't like it (even though we don't) - it's simply that we don't do it. One Tory MP returned from the whole of Scotland.
People talk about the West Lothain question but where's the reciprocal 'fairness' in one Tory MP from Scotland and the Tory-led coalition gets to shut one (for sure) and maybe another RAF base in Scotland?
Shut all the RAF bases in Scotland, and the Army bases, and the Navy ones too. Then build up the wall by another dozen feet, tell ya to take yer bloody flag and go on ya merry way.
Then we here in England will never have to endure another Labour government.
(and we won't have to support your mob financially from Westminster either.)
..and ya can have ya oil fields back cos we won't need them in 10-15 years time when we're all on electric cars. Ta. "I do hope Wishy is merely trolling for effect. If not then he really does make me ashamed to be English.  | |||
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"I do hope Wishy is merely trolling for effect. If not then he really does make me ashamed to be English. "I have no control over your feelings. I am entitled to an opinion regardless of whether it coincides with yours or not. If you feel shame about a certain topic then that's a matter between you and your own conscience. | |||
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"Sssshh.. you're not supposed to tell anyone you support what the govt are doing, the jocks don't like it.
Now, now. It isn't that we don't like it (even though we don't) - it's simply that we don't do it. One Tory MP returned from the whole of Scotland.
People talk about the West Lothain question but where's the reciprocal 'fairness' in one Tory MP from Scotland and the Tory-led coalition gets to shut one (for sure) and maybe another RAF base in Scotland?
Shut all the RAF bases in Scotland, and the Army bases, and the Navy ones too. Then build up the wall by another dozen feet, tell ya to take yer bloody flag and go on ya merry way.
Then we here in England will never have to endure another Labour government.
(and we won't have to support your mob financially from Westminster either.)
..and ya can have ya oil fields back cos we won't need them in 10-15 years time when we're all on electric cars. Ta.
I do hope Wishy is merely trolling for effect. If not then he really does make me ashamed to be English. "could be worse...you could also be ashamed to be an english voting conservative  | |||
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"I do hope Wishy is merely trolling for effect. If not then he really does make me ashamed to be English.
I have no control over your feelings. I am entitled to an opinion regardless of whether it coincides with yours or not.
If you feel shame about a certain topic then that's a matter between you and your own conscience."It is true thst you have no control over my emotions and yes, you are entitled to an opinion, no matter how repulsive that opinion may be. However, i am entitled to feel shame for the silly, offensive and ignorant views held by a supposed 'fellow-countryman'. The UK is what it is because of the efforts and actions of English, Scots, Welsh & Irish people, to denigrate a constituent Nation is to denigrate us all. | |||
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"Sssshh.. you're not supposed to tell anyone you support what the govt are doing, the jocks don't like it.
Now, now. It isn't that we don't like it (even though we don't) - it's simply that we don't do it. One Tory MP returned from the whole of Scotland.
People talk about the West Lothain question but where's the reciprocal 'fairness' in one Tory MP from Scotland and the Tory-led coalition gets to shut one (for sure) and maybe another RAF base in Scotland?
Shut all the RAF bases in Scotland, and the Army bases, and the Navy ones too. Then build up the wall by another dozen feet, tell ya to take yer bloody flag and go on ya merry way.
Then we here in England will never have to endure another Labour government.
(and we won't have to support your mob financially from Westminster either.)
..and ya can have ya oil fields back cos we won't need them in 10-15 years time when we're all on electric cars. Ta.
I do hope Wishy is merely trolling for effect. If not then he really does make me ashamed to be English.
could be worse...you could also be ashamed to be an english voting conservative
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"I work in a bank and you wouldnt believe the amount of benefits some people get ii seems wrong that there are generations of families where no one works!! Nothing like a bit of customer confidentiality...... Who's confidentiality has been broken? No names have been mentioned, nor any specifics about any account. I work for a telecoms company and we often listen in on calls whilst repairing lines. I've heard people arranging secret trysts without the husband knowing about it (it's usually married women playing away when I've listened in, I assume married men come on here ), and I've heard drug dealer's setting up drops.
Oops - I've just broken a confidentiality agreement huh?
"Having someone in a position of trust crawling over someones private bank details then talking about it on a swingers site, regardless of whether individuals names have been detailed or not, is a breach of customer confidentiality....trying to score brownie points on a swingers forum by moaning about how much benefits a bank customer receives and is recorded on a private bank statement is shameful for a person in a position of trust. | |||
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"I work in a bank and you wouldnt believe the amount of benefits some people get ii seems wrong that there are generations of families where no one works!! Nothing like a bit of customer confidentiality...... Who's confidentiality has been broken? No names have been mentioned, nor any specifics about any account. I work for a telecoms company and we often listen in on calls whilst repairing lines. I've heard people arranging secret trysts without the husband knowing about it (it's usually married women playing away when I've listened in, I assume married men come on here ), and I've heard drug dealer's setting up drops.
Oops - I've just broken a confidentiality agreement huh? "You been listening in on your Buttinski again have you ? | |||
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"You been listening in on your Buttinski again have you ? "My trusty old yellow brick. Yup. | |||
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"You been listening in on your Buttinski again have you ?
My trusty old yellow brick. Yup. "Oh I have the maroon one, can be dropped from a million feet apparantly and won't break, waterproof, oh and has a hands free facility, LNR, TB/R, polarity indication and a high impedance monitor - swanky or what - that allows me to listen to more important calls than you ner ner na ner ner | |||
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"I do hope Wishy is merely trolling for effect. If not then he really does make me ashamed to be English.
I have no control over your feelings. I am entitled to an opinion regardless of whether it coincides with yours or not.
If you feel shame about a certain topic then that's a matter between you and your own conscience.
It is true thst you have no control over my emotions and yes, you are entitled to an opinion, no matter how repulsive that opinion may be.
However, i am entitled to feel shame for the silly, offensive and ignorant views held by a supposed 'fellow-countryman'.
The UK is what it is because of the efforts and actions of English, Scots, Welsh & Irish people, to denigrate a constituent Nation is to denigrate us all."There are anti-royalists in the UK yet I don't label them as you have just labelled me. It is their opinion and they are entitled to it. | |||
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"You been listening in on your Buttinski again have you ?
My trusty old yellow brick. Yup.
Oh I have the maroon one, can be dropped from a million feet apparantly and won't break, waterproof, oh and has a hands free facility, LNR, TB/R, polarity indication and a high impedance monitor - swanky or what - that allows me to listen to more important calls than you ner ner na ner ner "Yeah, that maybe, but not much happens in ya quaint old mining village in Northumberland, you wanna get yerself down to London for the real meat n bones - or Leeds, thems wierd buggers too. | |||
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"You been listening in on your Buttinski again have you ?
My trusty old yellow brick. Yup.
Oh I have the maroon one, can be dropped from a million feet apparantly and won't break, waterproof, oh and has a hands free facility, LNR, TB/R, polarity indication and a high impedance monitor - swanky or what - that allows me to listen to more important calls than you ner ner na ner ner
Yeah, that maybe, but not much happens in ya quaint old mining village in Northumberland, you wanna get yerself down to London for the real meat n bones - or Leeds, thems wierd buggers too. "Quite a lot used to happen in a quaint old mining village in Co Durham and in nearby Sedgefield. | |||
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"You been listening in on your Buttinski again have you ?
My trusty old yellow brick. Yup. "well being on my redundancy notice at the grand old age of 45 i could be joining the massed ranks of the unemployed for my stint
more than likely tho i will return to being self employed and work when i can,most people claiming benefits only get enough to live on and we know a few,but its hard enough for people out of work through no fault of their own to have to go and claim benefits without some condescending idiot labeling them lazy..scroungers...or even worse scottish...which of course one of us is! | |||
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"Quite a lot used to happen in a quaint old mining village in Co Durham and in nearby Sedgefield." ~ It still does, apparently. ~ Headline figures for December 2010 Job Seekers Allowance (JSA) - (Rate, claimant count, change since last month) County Durham - 3.8%, 12,658 people, rise of 136 people. Sedgefield 2.6%, 2,294 people, fall of 31 people North East - 4.7%, 79,409 people, rise of 924 people. Great Britain - 3.5%, 1,368,300 people, rise of 12,000 people. Source: durham.gov.uk | |||
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"You been listening in on your Buttinski again have you ?
My trusty old yellow brick. Yup.
well being on my redundancy notice at the grand old age of 45 i could be joining the massed ranks of the unemployed for my stint
more than likely tho i will return to being self employed and work when i can,most people claiming benefits only get enough to live on and we know a few,but its hard enough for people out of work through no fault of their own to have to go and claim benefits without some condescending idiot labeling them lazy..scroungers...or even worse scottish...which of course one of us is! "I worked for the same firm for 23yrs, it went bust in July '09. I was out of work for 7 months then found my current job. I was fortunate in that A) i had mortgage insurance & B) my mortgage is small enough to be managable. I love how the ignorant Daily Mail readers demonise those who are out of work without ever bothering to understand the reasons why. It's so nice to be called scum for being made unemployed, so lovely to be labelled a scrounger for needing a hand from a State you have financially supported for a quarter century. Still, it's nice to see that the Thatcherite philosophy of there being 'no such thing as society' is alive and well in the minds of the Littlejohnesque Little Englanders... | |||
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What about my other £25? My wife is a middle income earner too. They gonna rob us of £50 to dish out to some poor people we don't even know?
That £50 could buy us 5 large tins of formula milk for our baby. They're taking food of out my son's mouth to give some lazy bone idle druggie!
Drive 'em all into the sea, I say!
Leave the country for us priviledged ones! "What's that you say? Either stand by your comments or be adult enough to admit your mistakes. | |||
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" No
What about my other £25? My wife is a middle income earner too. They gonna rob us of £50 to dish out to some poor people we don't even know?
That £50 could buy us 5 large tins of formula milk for our baby. They're taking food of out my son's mouth to give some lazy bone idle druggie!
Drive 'em all into the sea, I say!
Leave the country for us priviledged ones!
What's that you say?
Either stand by your comments or be adult enough to admit your mistakes."i read that as tongue in cheek | |||
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" No
What about my other £25? My wife is a middle income earner too. They gonna rob us of £50 to dish out to some poor people we don't even know?
That £50 could buy us 5 large tins of formula milk for our baby. They're taking food of out my son's mouth to give some lazy bone idle druggie!
Drive 'em all into the sea, I say!
Leave the country for us priviledged ones!
What's that you say?
Either stand by your comments or be adult enough to admit your mistakes."Does it say 'scum' in there anywhere? Little Englander? Nope, don't think so. And most read it for exactly what it was - tongue in cheek. | |||
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"Really?" as i read it yes | |||
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" No
What about my other £25? My wife is a middle income earner too. They gonna rob us of £50 to dish out to some poor people we don't even know?
That £50 could buy us 5 large tins of formula milk for our baby. They're taking food of out my son's mouth to give some lazy bone idle druggie!
Drive 'em all into the sea, I say!
Leave the country for us priviledged ones!
What's that you say?
Either stand by your comments or be adult enough to admit your mistakes.
Does it say 'scum' in there anywhere?
Little Englander?
Nope, don't think so. And most read it for exactly what it was - tongue in cheek.
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"so why do some of these bankers in the city wonna do plumbing courses all of a sudden - because theres more money in it - what i say to that is -f..k.ff bankers - stick to the banking there are kids coming out of school with minimal qualifications - and so the only way they will have a chance of earning a decent living - by doing a trade ie like plumbing,etc those places are being taken up by bankers - who have by the way - have had an excellent education to get where they are talk about - not fair "Siren and I were dicsussing this last night and I can remember 15-20 years ago when the housing market collapsed and nobody wanted ot work in the city and there was an influx of new trainees for electicians, plumbers, gas engineers etc.. The result was the rates of pay for those skills dropped. Then again with the dotcom bubble, everyone jumped on the web bandwagon and rates of pay for tradesmen rose because there was a shortage of them. And it's happening again now. | |||
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"Yup, the West Loathian Question has been raised on here quite a few times as it probably will quite a few more. I don't dislike the Scots (there's quite a few I wouldn't nipping over the border for actually), I do dislike the politics between the two countries that mean citizens of one or the other are governed by different rules than the other yet we're supposed to be the same nation. That's what irks me about it, and as this is a political thread I recognise that opinions are aired and the debate can get heated but I've not called anyone 'silly' 'repulsive' 'ignorant' or 'stupid' - I know better than that." No you havn't, but it could be said you have been offensive on posts to our Scottish friends.....but as you have now have explained the comments were tongue in cheek , hopefully people will just ignore them or any future ones. | |||
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"The Moral of the story... I know of a guy who had a nice independent carpet firm, at our village pub he would sit on his barstool, drinking out of his personal pewter tankard, holding court to anyone that would listen to his ramblings about the 'dirty, scummy unemployed people' that were like leeches according to him. Then he overstretched himself, expanded his business too quickly.....and went bust. He has been unemployed himself since last autumn, all he knows is carpets and carpet fitting....no one will employ him as he knows too much and is over qualified. Does he moan about the unemployed scum in the pub now? Nah.....he sits there staring into his pewter tankard not uttering more than the occasional word. Life can turn around and bite you on the bum....." He wouldn't be the first 'businessman' to conduct his 'business' in the pub where he has his own personal stool/tankard etc.. only to find his 'business' was built on wobbly legs. The Moral of the Story? Earn your millions THEN sit in the pub all day. | |||
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"No Wishy the moral of the story is There but for the grace of god.... " * nods * | |||
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"No Wishy the moral of the story is There but for the grace of god.... " I'm actually hoping for redundancy cos they'll have to give me a pretty good settlement which I'll use to retrain as a Cisco engineer, which is something I've decided to do anyway but I'm not using my own money to do it. | |||
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" ......Earn your millions THEN sit in the pub all day. "The best way is to do what you want with your early life, inherit family money and then not sit in the pub much at all. A good measure a man is not by how he gains his money but by how he disposes of it. I don't intend to be the guy who dies with the most toys. | |||
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" I personally think this government has done a good job so far by cutting the sick etc George Osborne has it spot on sick notes and scroungers will have to fine work soon or no luxury befits no more there is work for everyone if they get of their arse why should we pay taxes for people that don’t want to work, no body job is safe but I would never would want to sign on I rather work for buttons if my job went today. Next election I will vote for the Tories at first I did not like them but they have done what they say they are going to do mobility cars will be next to be scrapped cutting the spending is working so far " i hope to god you never get ill and need these benefits to support you and your family. speaking as a disabled person myself and at my age with one leg off last july am still far from well enough to work and when i am will have to try and retrain as i was a kerber/block paver its unlikely i will find employment very easily. until my operation iv,e never claimed a penny in my life i am 47 yet you say im a scrounger and your glad my benefits will be cut and by the way i dont get anywhere near the money amounts getting thrown about in the press. | |||
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" I personally think this government has done a good job so far by cutting the sick etc George Osborne has it spot on sick notes and scroungers will have to fine work soon or no luxury befits no more there is work for everyone if they get of their arse why should we pay taxes for people that don’t want to work, no body job is safe but I would never would want to sign on I rather work for buttons if my job went today. Next election I will vote for the Tories at first I did not like them but they have done what they say they are going to do mobility cars will be next to be scrapped cutting the spending is working so far i hope to god you never get ill and need these benefits to support you and your family. speaking as a disabled person myself and at my age with one leg off last july am still far from well enough to work and when i am will have to try and retrain as i was a kerber/block paver its unlikely i will find employment very easily. until my operation iv,e never claimed a penny in my life i am 47 yet you say im a scrounger and your glad my benefits will be cut and by the way i dont get anywhere near the money amounts getting thrown about in the press." The problem is the press fuels things with stories of £1000 a week and all sorts being claimed. There are many genuine cases for claiming and most get very little paid. But I bet your the same as many including me who get sick of a small minority claiming because they are just lazy but are good at working the system. | |||
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"The Moral of the story... I know of a guy who had a nice independent carpet firm, at our village pub he would sit on his barstool, drinking out of his personal pewter tankard, holding court to anyone that would listen to his ramblings about the 'dirty, scummy unemployed people' that were like leeches according to him. Then he overstretched himself, expanded his business too quickly.....and went bust. He has been unemployed himself since last autumn, all he knows is carpets and carpet fitting....no one will employ him as he knows too much and is over qualified. Does he moan about the unemployed scum in the pub now? Nah.....he sits there staring into his pewter tankard not uttering more than the occasional word. Life can turn around and bite you on the bum....." Totally agree. It's a long way too fall from your hight horse, as this man found out. We lost our house and business through health. First me,diagnosed with life limiting illness, and ten years later hubby who had an accident. We struggle every week to make ends meet. We would both love to be back at work more than anything, but it is impossible for us. Emloyers run a mile when they know hubbys limitations, even for part time work. Not fussy, willing to do anything his ability allows him to. One of our sons studied hard for 3years at college, worked weekends to earn money to help him through his courses. Found a full time job, only to be made redundant. It has taken him 7 months spending several hours every day to find a job. He starts next month, you would think he'd won the lottery he was so pleased to finally find work. So everybody on benefits is not a scrounger. Like you said Jane, life can turn around and bite you on the bum. | |||
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"I think maybe some clarification is needed here about who is being referred to by the term 'scrounger'. The media run stories frequently about mothers who have 8 kids with 8 different fathers who pay not one penny towards the upkeep of their offspring preferring instead to abscond and set up a genetic franchise somewhere else with yet another hapless woman who doesn't understand what contraception is. Or the 'refugees' that arrive here with an already large family that is so big they need a £2m house in leafy suburbia to house them, and all at the taxpayers expense. Or maybe the young couple who left school without a GCSE between them, have never worked and declare in national newspapers quite glibly that they have no intention of working when the state gives them everything they need. Then we have the long term unemployed who deem every job offered to them to be beneath them and then carry on claiming benefits whilst moonlighting on a building site on a cash in hand basis evading the taxman at every turn. Or the long term 'ill' who get a compassionate doctor (or maybe one so disillusioned he basically doesn't give a fuck and signs off ill anyone who asks him to) to place them on the disabled register so they can claim yet more money from the taxpayer only to find them to be quite ably refereeing Sunday league football, or entering popular TV talent shows. Those are the scroungers we commonly refer to, and we all feel outrage that they continue to milk the public purse without a shred of remorse. Not people who, through no fault of their own and to their utmost frustration, find themselves unable to work through incapacity." Your clarification misses the point in my opinion. The concern many of us have is that by concentrating debate on the 'scroungers' who are an extremely small minority, policy is made that penalises the majority. The constant propaganda bombarding the public about the few who do milk the system warps public opinion. It's only when brave individuals, like some of the posters on this thread, stand up and tell their personal story of how they are impacted by unemployment that balance comes back into play. Someone said earlier, 'there but for the grace of god go i', i'm trying to understand how balanced educated adults sometimes appear to so easily put this aside and allow themselves to be dominated by the 'scrounger' debate. | |||
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" Your clarification misses the point in my opinion. The concern many of us have is that by concentrating debate on the 'scroungers' who are an extremely small minority, policy is made that penalises the majority. The constant propaganda bombarding the public about the few who do milk the system warps public opinion. It's only when brave individuals, like some of the posters on this thread, stand up and tell their personal story of how they are impacted by unemployment that balance comes back into play. Someone said earlier, 'there but for the grace of god go i', i'm trying to understand how balanced educated adults sometimes appear to so easily put this aside and allow themselves to be dominated by the 'scrounger' debate. " You said exactly what I was thinking but couldn't get the words right. Thanks | |||
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"ive not named names so no confidentiality has been broken,so you are talking rubbish" So what gives you the right to discuss the personal bank details of any of your banks customers on a swinging site? I think you are all too aware that your employers have put you in a position of trust....now start earning that privilage. | |||
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"mr sexy here as far as i am aware this is a fucking swingers website not some bollocks politics forum go to them 4 politics not here and stop bad mouthing mrs sexy just cos she works part time at a bank 4 probably less money than she could get if she didnt work at all. at no point has she said if she thought the ammount ppl were getting into their account was high or low or mentioned anyone at all its completly generic ppl have just intepreted what she said to suit themselves . personally i am too busy arranging shagging meets to worry about what goes on in these forums but felt i had to say something now . thought the shagging not slagging each other off was what this was all about . love and peace oh and blues 4 the carling cup k.r.o xx" Yeah tis a swinging site with a discussion lounge .... And yer right tis about shagging and erm ...choices ... Tho I understand anyones need to feel protective of those around us...it would be only right that you`re reminded that no one forced yer partner to post on a contentious political thread.... I ain`t got a view on yer partners post...but I do have one on yer day ...happy searching and swinging ... | |||
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"mr sexy here as far as i am aware this is a fucking swingers website not some bollocks politics forum go to them 4 politics not here and stop bad mouthing mrs sexy just cos she works part time at a bank 4 probably less money than she could get if she didnt work at all. at no point has she said if she thought the ammount ppl were getting into their account was high or low or mentioned anyone at all its completly generic ppl have just intepreted what she said to suit themselves . personally i am too busy arranging shagging meets to worry about what goes on in these forums but felt i had to say something now . thought the shagging not slagging each other off was what this was all about . love and peace oh and blues 4 the carling cup k.r.o xx" This thread is in the Lounge section of a discussion forum designed to chat about any subject, as you can see lots of people enjoy coming on here to share points of view, including your wife! Read your wifes post, she makes her view clear and others have the right to make observations and then offer their views. I don't accept that anyone has bad mouthed her. The point seems to me to be a valid one. Your desire to come on here and defend your wife is admirable, but may I suggest you do it with reason? Maybe attacking the website or forum is not the way. Just my personal opinion........ | |||
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"work or dont get paid benfits fantastic idea stop the housing benefit too would be better if the lazy bastards dont want to work throw them onto the streets in this world you dont get nothing for free tories all the way" So you would have children of people who don't work living on the streets with no money?....Have you even begun to think about the consequences? | |||
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"if they don't work why should we pay taxes and if your not working you should not have children etc sick of scroungers thank f****cameron is on there case no work no dole" So if you have a job and lose it and can't get one as you live in an area of massive unemployment, but have already had three children?.... You really haven't thought this out have you? | |||
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"we think you need to form your own views and stop reading the sun too much. like one op has said 1.5 billion is being fiddled by people claiming benefits they are not entitled too which your obviously quite agrieved about.this is highlighted by the scrawny tabloid press who fail to see any harm in the richest of this country avoiding to pay over 90 billion in taxes. this is where the real crime is" Hey, feel free to get off your arse, get clued up to corporate finances and shut down international tax loopholes where British companies register for corporate tax shelters. Or maybe you can leave us Sun readers to form our own opinions whilst you enlightened few educate us as to what we SHOULD be thinking.... eh? | |||
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there are loopholes for the mega rich which will never be plugged by any government ruling our country because they know that one day at the end of their political careers they will be joining the gravy train.
remember the tories selling off the utillities.
when the last tory government fell all the outed politicians then went to take up their highly paid directors jobs on the boards of the newly privatised utility companys. tories will never shit on the rich but gone are the days too when they used to try to look after the middle classes.
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"we think you need to form your own views and stop reading the sun too much. like one op has said 1.5 billion is being fiddled by people claiming benefits they are not entitled too which your obviously quite agrieved about.this is highlighted by the scrawny tabloid press who fail to see any harm in the richest of this country avoiding to pay over 90 billion in taxes. this is where the real crime is Hey, feel free to get off your arse, get clued up to corporate finances and shut down international tax loopholes where British companies register for corporate tax shelters. Or maybe you can leave us Sun readers to form our own opinions whilst you enlightened few educate us as to what we SHOULD be thinking.... eh?
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If only Sun readers did think it'd be a start. Most just do what Murdoch tells them.
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"Benefits should only be paid for the lads who was fighting in Afghanistan for this country war hero’s should have top benefits and a long rest and enjoy the luxury life like so called people who has never done a fucking days work in there bastard lives make me sick spongers scroungers claiming everything and refusing to work as for genuine claimants i.e. people who had strokes and other illness should be able to stay on top benefits, and people claim they have stress well I say no more as that is bollocks being on sickness for stress . Bring in the soap kitchens for the scroungers and give them tokens for a bar of soap lol, John" | |||
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"We have a modern professional army, ask any serving soldier who has been on an Afghanistan tour, I have....they say the last thing they need is someone they have to carry because he doesn't want to be there in the first place. They need to be 100% certain that the man fighting alongside them is as dedicated as they are....not some spotty faced oik who has been forced to sign up." A professional soldier would never belittle his chosen career by admitting that national service personnel in non-combative roles would actually assist those front line troops. I'd also wage that given a taste of army life some national service recruits would choose to become a professional soldier at the end of their N.S. period. I just don't believe the idea of a form of National Service should be discounted so quickly when there are obvious benefits to it. | |||
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"So do you think housing benefit was an invention of the Labour government? If it wasn't for Thatcher selling off all the council houses without using the receipts to build more then there wouldn't be anywhere near as much need for the government to pay private landlords rents. When I was growing up in South London in the 70's there were several large families local to me (Mainly Irish families), it wasn't unusual for councils to knock two adjoining houses into one for these large families....and for the welfare system to pay the rents for them. So housing benefit is nothing new....nor are large families." Oh I agree about the selling off of council houses and the failure to replace them. I just think that New Labour were responsible for accentuating the problems rather than dealing with them which is what a competent government should do. They were responsible for creating the conditions that caused the housing price bubble and are therefore also responsible for the concomitant craziness of paying out twice as much as somebody would earn in annual wages in housing benefit alone. | |||
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"As I've pointed out before; the benefit recipient doesn't actually get to KEEP any Housing Benefit they receive. The DWP gives the money to the tenant and the tenant gives the money to their landlord or they get evicted. If a family IS getting £40,000 pa in Housing Benefit -there's a landlord doing quite nicely thank you very much. That's my point. The whole economic system is skewed. If the government is paying out £40,000 in housing benefit alone then what possible incentive is there for that person to take a £20,000 job? New Labour were incompetent clowns who built castles in the air. " If the Housing Benefit system is skewed it isn't families in receipt of benefit who are doing it. The blame, if it lies anywhere, surely lies at the door of the modern day Rachmans who are charging such exorbitant rent. It doesn't matter whether the landlord owns the property outright or if they have a buy to let mortgage (regardless of the size of that mortgage and the consequential monthly repayments) - the DWP local office has a scale of charges they'll pay for that size of property so that landlord could possibly be pocketing the entire £40,000 - even if his/ her outgoings are £nil. Who's milking the system? | |||
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" we (the intelligent folk) are now discussing rebuilding our society. Are you in or our? Or would you prefer sit on your side of the undiluted fence and just scream, "No! It's a Tory policy! We have to say NOOOO! PLEASE!" Or could you just, for an incy wincy moment stop to think, 'ok, lets give it a shot'. so what are you going to actually do to support this rebuilding via the Big society. Not the rhetoric or discussion, not the debates about whether it will work or whether its just another cover up for cuts etc .... but personally, what are you going to do to support it ? ( and yes I already know what Im doing despite my personal views on it as a policy ) Most folk who are enthusiastic about Big Society won't lift a finger to make it work. Even Nat Wei, the Tory Big Society 'czar', has decided he doesn't have enough time to get involved. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/feb/01/big-society-lord-wei-volunteering" my feeling too ...though it would be great to be proved wrong . Many of those who will get involved in meaningful ways are probably already doing so, like in the post above. I'm reminded of Care in the Community ...how wonderful it sounded. Lessen dependency on the state, encourage family and community support ... it became, maybe all it ever was, Care by women in the home. Many many third sector organisations and charities are seeing their funding cut or disappear .. the very organisations that could nurture and mentor fledgeling ideas and projects. will enough people get involved , in ways that will really make a difference to the people who live in their communities who need it the most ? | |||
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"i already work for free within the community, for me , ironically, this is about being an anarchist and shaping my immediate surroundings from the ground up and making a difference where it really counts for my family, in my neighbourhood. The main problem is that any project needs consistency to survive, and that means very dedicated leaders and in reality ensuring projects continue always requires funding. I find the funding for my project, but its a constant struggle now made worse by all the other community projects who have lost theirs. For big society to work i think we'd need a complete change of not only the capitalist system but also our perception of what we need to live, not likely id say!" i share your sense of irony.. I'm a pretty long way from being a tory voter and I don't believe the motives of the promotion of this Big society ...but ethically its something I have supported for many years both in my choice of career and personally in out of work activities. Ive done this under previous tory governments and labour ones. I also encourage my children to undertake voluntary work as i believe it builds their personal sense of achievement, community and ethics. I dont do this for a pat on the back ( Id be sorely disappointed! ), i dont share it here for the same, Im no saint ...but i really need to be convinced that there is enough of a cultural shift within modern british society to make this work. From some of the comments just on this thread, Im doubtful. | |||
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"I work in a bank and you wouldnt believe the amount of benefits some people get ii seems wrong that there are generations of families where no one works!! Nothing like a bit of customer confidentiality...... Who's confidentiality has been broken? No names have been mentioned, nor any specifics about any account. I work for a telecoms company and we often listen in on calls whilst repairing lines. I've heard people arranging secret trysts without the husband knowing about it (it's usually married women playing away when I've listened in, I assume married men come on here ), and I've heard drug dealer's setting up drops.
Oops - I've just broken a confidentiality agreement huh?
Having someone in a position of trust crawling over someones private bank details then talking about it on a swingers site, regardless of whether individuals names have been detailed or not, is a breach of customer confidentiality....trying to score brownie points on a swingers forum by moaning about how much benefits a bank customer receives and is recorded on a private bank statement is shameful for a person in a position of trust.
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"We the intelligent folk? Wishy, you voted for the Tories....doesn't make you an active member of the cabinet....they are discussing NOTHING with you....or anyone else on here. You really have fallen for this Big Society thing big time haven't you? You sure you don't mean 'We the gullible'? Or 'We (who have no principles and will vote for whoever we think will make us a bit better off)???? The suggestion of National Service isn't abour rebuilding society - it's about putting young people out of sight and out of mind for a few years. I spent over 20 years in the Navy - nearly 30 if you include the two degrees the MOD sponsored me to complete and I know the last thing the Navy or the junior services need is to be tasked to babysit people society doesn't want around and who don't want to be in uniform. Who the fuck are you to suggest I have no principles because I've voted differently in the past? Each party presents their manifestos at the elections and I make my choice based upon which party seems to be offering the best type of government for this country. I've voted for Labour and been severely disappointed by them. Prior to that I voted Liberal, but something about just doesn't ring true anymore. This time was the first time I have ever voted Conservative and, so far, I see no reason why I won't be voting for them the next time around. How does that make me a man of no principles. How fucking insulting." I have no control over your feelings. I am entitled to an opinion regardless of whether it coincides with yours or not. | |||
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"I have no control over your feelings. I am entitled to an opinion regardless of whether it coincides with yours or not. " An opinion, yes, an insult, no. If you can't debate without resorting to playground tactics then I shall withdraw. | |||
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"New balls please ..." On such a vital match point they will just have to use the balls they were born with! | |||
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"I have no control over your feelings. I am entitled to an opinion regardless of whether it coincides with yours or not. An opinion, yes, an insult, no. If you can't debate without resorting to playground tactics then I shall withdraw." I'm 99.9% certain that's what you'll do. Leave the white flag - others may wish to use it. | |||
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