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 Its hard to see the goodness in humanity sometimes although thankfully they are the minority. | |||
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"Did you not see what happened earlier? Delete this thread before arguments start lol" I was at work so missed that. I guess it didn't end well? | |||
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"Is there a resolution? Putting more feet on the ground, how will that solve anything? What we need to do is have a medium and work out exactly what point they are trying to get across, what it is they want and how we can reach a resolution without all this extremism!" I don't think they want to sit and talk about it | |||
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"Is there a resolution? Putting more feet on the ground, how will that solve anything? What we need to do is have a medium and work out exactly what point they are trying to get across, what it is they want and how we can reach a resolution without all this extremism! I don't think they want to sit and talk about it" True but the book has to stop somewhere, they can't just keep doing this for 100 years down the line. It will like everything have to end somewhere! | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely." A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will" In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. " We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different. | |||
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"Is there a resolution? Putting more feet on the ground, how will that solve anything? What we need to do is have a medium and work out exactly what point they are trying to get across, what it is they want and how we can reach a resolution without all this extremism! I don't think they want to sit and talk about it" theres is one way if the US stop arming them. | |||
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"In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beF2lcbtGEo | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different." in an ideal world peace would be nice .to elitists war means profit . | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different. in an ideal world peace would be nice .to elitists war means profit ." However there is no such thing as an ideal world. | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different. in an ideal world peace would be nice .to elitists war means profit . However there is no such thing as an ideal world." Eveeryone has a different ideal world | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different. in an ideal world peace would be nice .to elitists war means profit . However there is no such thing as an ideal world. Eveeryone has a different ideal world " Exactly, which is one of the exact reasons conflicts and extremism arises | |||
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"Well I for one can see an end to all of this and lessons learned in future generations. Conflicts happen yes but we aren't in stone ages anymore and I'm sure we will over come this (certainly without war) and the impact will benefit future generations for years on end." We haven't learnt yet, I think it's the nature of being human. It'll never change ! A new terror group always springs up when another seems to disappear., Sarah | |||
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"Well I for one can see an end to all of this and lessons learned in future generations. Conflicts happen yes but we aren't in stone ages anymore and I'm sure we will over come this (certainly without war) and the impact will benefit future generations for years on end." I would do love to agree with you, but that's what they said about WW1 and WW2, the setting up of the U.N., NATO etc, the aim was to stop this. I only go on history, my education, and personal experience with my view. | |||
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It would be laughable if it was not so horrifically tragic. | |||
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"Well I for one can see an end to all of this and lessons learned in future generations. Conflicts happen yes but we aren't in stone ages anymore and I'm sure we will over come this (certainly without war) and the impact will benefit future generations for years on end. I would do love to agree with you, but that's what they said about WW1 and WW2, the setting up of the U.N., NATO etc, the aim was to stop this. I only go on history, my education, and personal experience with my view." Humans just love hurting each other - why do you think boxing is so popular? | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. " People have been fighting each other since pre-historic times. As much as I like your sentiment I'll be surprised if war suddenly stops in the next 50 or 60 years. Unless Armageddon comes and we obliterate ourselves of course. | |||
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"the problem is there are so many soft targets that everywhere can't be protected.... airports spend so much time protecting the planes everything outwards from there is getable... that could have been heathrow and the london underground today...... and the that i'm not surprised is the saddest thing of all..... at the end of the day all you can do is hope.... but hope isn't really a strategy" Very true, and the hardest part is knowing that it is going to happen again which is unavoidable | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. People have been fighting each other since pre-historic times. As much as I like your sentiment I'll be surprised if war suddenly stops in the next 50 or 60 years. Unless Armageddon comes and we obliterate ourselves of course. " Steps can be taken to protect ourselves, I have seen first hand today the measures put in place to do so near where I live, but they are measures, not a safe proof or fail proof solution to an immediate threat. | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different. in an ideal world peace would be nice .to elitists war means profit . However there is no such thing as an ideal world." I know there's no such things as an ideal world .we need to go back to nature and start again put the children in charge they might do a better job . | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different. in an ideal world peace would be nice .to elitists war means profit . However there is no such thing as an ideal world. I know there's no such things as an ideal world .we need to go back to nature and start again put the children in charge they might do a better job ."  with my kids it would end up worse judging by their attitude towards each other at home some days  | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. People have been fighting each other since pre-historic times. As much as I like your sentiment I'll be surprised if war suddenly stops in the next 50 or 60 years. Unless Armageddon comes and we obliterate ourselves of course. Steps can be taken to protect ourselves, I have seen first hand today the measures put in place to do so near where I live, but they are measures, not a safe proof or fail proof solution to an immediate threat." but that would involve firearms which would be chosen choice of protection .in America they want a bill in so they can disarm American citizens then who knows what will happen next. | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. We can life in hope certainly, reality however, may prove different. in an ideal world peace would be nice .to elitists war means profit . However there is no such thing as an ideal world. I know there's no such things as an ideal world .we need to go back to nature and start again put the children in charge they might do a better job . with my kids it would end up worse judging by their attitude towards each other at home some days "I know what you mean my exes kids ww3 when they were together so might have to forgethe that one lol. | |||
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"Extremism and hatred in secular society has been around for thousands of years. Will it end, probably not, because in a world full of different beliefs and ideals there will be little room for every person or group to agree on one solution or idea of how life should be led. Atrocities will happen, it's a proven historical fact, what can be done, I don't know, but will it happen, unlikely. A bit like the Billy Joel song lol. It's always been happening and always will In our lifetime we will find peace I'm sure of it. People have been fighting each other since pre-historic times. As much as I like your sentiment I'll be surprised if war suddenly stops in the next 50 or 60 years. Unless Armageddon comes and we obliterate ourselves of course. Steps can be taken to protect ourselves, I have seen first hand today the measures put in place to do so near where I live, but they are measures, not a safe proof or fail proof solution to an immediate threat. but that would involve firearms which would be chosen choice of protection .in America they want a bill in so they can disarm American citizens then who knows what will happen next." America will never pass a bill disarming normal people or banning them from holding weapons. I have lived with firearms all my life, used legally for their intended purpose. It is not a gun that hurts people, it is the person holding that weapon, and the majority of people use them legally so no reason the stop them. | |||
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"We British may complain about how our country is run, but our security is nowhere near as incompetent as the French or Belgian. It came out that after they'd arrested that Abbdesalam (sp?), they announced on their national news that he was giving names of other jihadists! That's clever, isn't it? So the other ones knew they were going to be caught and we're left with nothing left to lose, hence today. I get very irritated by all this 'solidarity', flag waving and vigils though. The same thing is said after each attack - people need to see that it isn't a deterrent to these people. " No the solidarity isn't a deterrent but it is a symbol that people will not give in. The British do this too, they may not name specific people but will say they are looking into cells etc. | |||
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" I get very irritated by all this 'solidarity', flag waving and vigils though. The same thing is said after each attack - people need to see that it isn't a deterrent to these people. " of course its not a deterrent but showing solidarity and empathy with others in dire circumstances is a positive thing and its something 'we' do.. | |||
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"We British may complain about how our country is run, but our security is nowhere near as incompetent as the French or Belgian. It came out that after they'd arrested that Abbdesalam (sp?), they announced on their national news that he was giving names of other jihadists! That's clever, isn't it? So the other ones knew they were going to be caught and we're left with nothing left to lose, hence today. I get very irritated by all this 'solidarity', flag waving and vigils though. The same thing is said after each attack - people need to see that it isn't a deterrent to these people. " . We always do strange things when we don't know what else to do?. | |||
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" I get very irritated by all this 'solidarity', flag waving and vigils though. The same thing is said after each attack - people need to see that it isn't a deterrent to these people. " I'm very sorry to learn of your irritation. Perhaps when something like this happens to your loved ones, you'll think differently... My sister was 5 minutes from being on the metro that was blown up. My father worked at Zaventem airport for 25 years. Maelbeek metro station is 150m from where I was born and raised (my profile photo was taken on the street where I lived, a stone's throw from the station) You can sit there writing about ifs and buts and politics and who's fault it is, but don't be a dick | |||
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" I get very irritated by all this 'solidarity', flag waving and vigils though. The same thing is said after each attack - people need to see that it isn't a deterrent to these people. " it may not be a deterrent to them... but i don't think letting them see you are scared and letting them in effect dictate your life is the answer either.... they are not going to win... and the one thing i am so proud of after 7/7 is that londoners for the most part stuck together as one, be that black/white/christian or muslim.... they were not going to win by trying to divide us!! | |||
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" I get very irritated by all this 'solidarity', flag waving and vigils though. The same thing is said after each attack - people need to see that it isn't a deterrent to these people. I'm very sorry to learn of your irritation. Perhaps when something like this happens to your loved ones, you'll think differently... My sister was 5 minutes from being on the metro that was blown up. My father worked at Zaventem airport for 25 years. Maelbeek metro station is 150m from where I was born and raised (my profile photo was taken on the street where I lived, a stone's throw from the station) You can sit there writing about ifs and buts and politics and who's fault it is, but don't be a dick " I should have worded it differently. Maybe you're you're better man than I am, but my reaction if someone I cared about was effected would be one of anger, I wouldn't be walking around with a candle, waving a Belgian flag around, I would be demanding swift and violent retaliation from my government. Of course, people who have lost loves ones should grieve however they choose. What I have a problem with, is people on Twitter and Facebook thinking that they are achieving world peace with a hashtag and a flag for a profile picture. | |||
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" I get very irritated by all this 'solidarity', flag waving and vigils though. The same thing is said after each attack - people need to see that it isn't a deterrent to these people. I'm very sorry to learn of your irritation. Perhaps when something like this happens to your loved ones, you'll think differently... My sister was 5 minutes from being on the metro that was blown up. My father worked at Zaventem airport for 25 years. Maelbeek metro station is 150m from where I was born and raised (my profile photo was taken on the street where I lived, a stone's throw from the station) You can sit there writing about ifs and buts and politics and who's fault it is, but don't be a dick I should have worded it differently. Maybe you're you're better man than I am, but my reaction if someone I cared about was effected would be one of anger, I wouldn't be walking around with a candle, waving a Belgian flag around, I would be demanding swift and violent retaliation from my government. Of course, people who have lost loves ones should grieve however they choose. What I have a problem with, is people on Twitter and Facebook thinking that they are achieving world peace with a hashtag and a flag for a profile picture." I have to say I very much doubt they think they are 'achieving world peace', they are showing their thoughts and feelings are behind those who are suffering, who have lost loved ones, and those who have been indirectly effected by the events which have taken place. | |||
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"Is there a resolution? Putting more feet on the ground, how will that solve anything? What we need to do is have a medium and work out exactly what point they are trying to get across, what it is they want and how we can reach a resolution without all this extremism! I don't think they want to sit and talk about it True but the book has to stop somewhere, they can't just keep doing this for 100 years down the line. It will like everything have to end somewhere!" Insha Allah difficult war to fight when the suicide bombers truly believe they are going to a better world and they hide within the public was Vietnam the beginning of the rise of communist groups engaging in terrorism, or did it go further back, much further back? The hidden enemy is so difficult to fight, especially if they intend to end their life whilst detonating bombs There is a lot to say for living in isolation, being at one with nature today was a sad sad day with many families destroyed by these horrific activities. | |||
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"...extremists do not represent any religion " The problem is that other muslims fear them and will not speak out against them. So with the help of the internet and Saudi billions the extremists currently dictate the agenda e.g. France is under a state of emergency...and so will Belgium be soon if it isn't already. | |||
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"...extremists do not represent any religion The problem is that other muslims fear them and will not speak out against them. So with the help of the internet and Saudi billions the extremists currently dictate the agenda e.g. France is under a state of emergency...and so will Belgium be soon if it isn't already. " Actually many Muslims do speak out against terrorism, however in many cases it is not considered newsworthy in the face of the sensationalism created by those who purport to support Islam through their actions such as suicide bombings etc. France has been under a state of emergency for a while, whether Belgium should have been is a letter for their parliament and security services to decide. British and American military installations across the globe have been on a heightened alert for many months, the proof of which I have seen first hand. The security serivices and government here will not tell the general public all, for fear of causing panic, but the regular Cobra meetings and other goings on show that there is concern and they are taking the measures applicable to try to combat extremism in whatever shape it comes. Howeverit is impossible to stop all extremists, as so many are underground. | |||
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"The vast majority of ISIS victims have been Muslims. People don't seem to understand that or want to understand that. " You don't seem to understand that they and their European fan-base specifically target Christians and Jews going about their daily business. | |||
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"The vast majority of ISIS victims have been Muslims. People don't seem to understand that or want to understand that. " . I dunno i think understand that better than most,if you actually read my criticisms of Islamic fundermentalism, I point out constantly that the real losers of it are Muslims themselves. Keeping repeating the same old line of these people are not Muslim helps moderate Muslims not one bit! Isis are just the face of the fascist dictatorial side of Islam, they wish to control all Muslims and then convert everybody else as well!. The real truth is this won't be won by the west but probably by western Muslims facing down middle Eastern Muslims! | |||
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"The vast majority of ISIS victims have been Muslims. People don't seem to understand that or want to understand that. You don't seem to understand that they and their European fan-base specifically target Christians and Jews going about their daily business." Actually they don't, bombings of airports, subway systems etc are indiscriminatory as to who they target. Many of the people using those facilities are not Christians or Jews, they are Christians , Jews, Muslims, atheists, buddests, Hindus and more. | |||
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"The vast majority of ISIS victims have been Muslims. People don't seem to understand that or want to understand that. You don't seem to understand that they and their European fan-base specifically target Christians and Jews going about their daily business." I understand that perfectly, my point was that the majority of their victims have been Muslims. | |||
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"The vast majority of ISIS victims have been Muslims. People don't seem to understand that or want to understand that. You don't seem to understand that they and their European fan-base specifically target Christians and Jews going about their daily business. Actually they don't, bombings of airports, subway systems etc are indiscriminatory as to who they target. Many of the people using those facilities are not Christians or Jews, they are Christians , Jews, Muslims, atheists, buddests, Hindus and more." Good point | |||
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"The vast majority of ISIS victims have been Muslims. People don't seem to understand that or want to understand that. You don't seem to understand that they and their European fan-base specifically target Christians and Jews going about their daily business." . No the actions are intentionally designed. Paris was not a coincidence, France has a long history of secularist actions, they banned the burka and they got punished, Brussels is the EU head quarters, they both have large sections of disenfranchised 2nd generation Muslims, these are isis s main potential recruits!. The actions are designed to cause separation between Muslims and non Muslims, therefore increasing the uptake of likely recruits. There not random acts of madmen, even the way they torture and execute people has purpose, dressed in glow orange jumpsuits puts the scenes of Abu ghraib or Guantanamo in mind, the method of burning and beheading is directly taken from the prophets religious campaigns. We have a terrible habit of thinking it's always about us (West) but the reality is it's not all about us in many cases! | |||
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"Well I for one can see an end to all of this and lessons learned in future generations. Conflicts happen yes but we aren't in stone ages anymore and I'm sure we will over come this (certainly without war) and the impact will benefit future generations for years on end. We haven't learnt yet, I think it's the nature of being human. It'll never change ! A new terror group always springs up when another seems to disappear., Sarah " Its been said on social media there are terror cells all over europe along with links to sympathizers who would get involved the security forces admit that now, their so hell bent on death and destruction this is why they have formed like they have and like it or not we have got to deal with it, we captured one of their leaders thee other day but they seem to have plenty in reserve this has been carefully co-ordinated and proves that security can only do so much the likely hood of this was always going to happen and it has now life to this meaningless scum means nothing has their not up to now interested in talks but just death, their next objectives will be trying to get here next if not some are already here and hideing and waiting like the cowards and rats they are before given Instruction to strike, they might try to get into the states if their not already there they hate the west and anyone who sides with them, they are a organised terrorist organisation and sadly till we obliterate every single one of them they are going to organise terror in anyway they can. | |||
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" As long as there is a world with different ideals and disparity,there will be division. And when there's division there's an excuse to hate. The problem will never disappear it's just their methods that are becoming more frightening." | |||
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"The vast majority of ISIS victims have been Muslims. People don't seem to understand that or want to understand that. You don't seem to understand that they and their European fan-base specifically target Christians and Jews going about their daily business. I understand that perfectly, my point was that the majority of their victims have been Muslims. " On a larger scale I would agree. However, what I can relate to on a personal scale are terrorists attacks on British / European Nationals regardless of their Faith / Religion. | |||
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"...extremists do not represent any religion The problem is that other muslims fear them and will not speak out against them. So with the help of the internet and Saudi billions the extremists currently dictate the agenda e.g. France is under a state of emergency...and so will Belgium be soon if it isn't already. " sorry but you need to look again in relation to your first sentence, every atrocity where some murderous piece of filth has carried out an attack has been widely condemned by the 'normal' decent people who share that faith and also by the leaders of that faith.. it's there in print and on video you just need to locate it then stop stating what you have.. | |||
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"What concerns me is that these events are losing their ability to shock." It's a very morbid thought but I think you're right. Growing up in Northern Ireland when something happened it was just one more incident or attack, when it's so regular you become desensitised. | |||
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"What concerns me is that these events are losing their ability to shock." I've found that, the Paris one left me feeling genuinely disturbed for a week or two, whereas today's had nowhere near the same effect on me personally. | |||
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"What concerns me is that these events are losing their ability to shock." I was starting to think that, after the attacks Turkey suffered last week. It seems there are attacks, atrocities and disgusting things happening every week. And then they hit Brussels. This feels like a personal attack. I will always consider Brussels my home city. This has affected friends, family, and seeing pictures of places I frequented on a daily basis flashing up on the news, just like the pictures of Paris, Ankara, Istanbul is gut-wrenching and I'm still in a state of shock, of disbelief. This all feels so surreal. Seeing little things like seeing the departures board at Zaventem airport, above a floor covered in debris, dust and blood. A photo of soldiers standing outside the EU HQ building, with Kitty O'Shea's pub in the background, that I used to go to when I still lived there. Rue de la Loi, where Maelbeek metro station is, that I used to walk along to go to a mate's house... They all make me feel personally wounded | |||
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"What concerns me is that these events are losing their ability to shock. I was starting to think that, after the attacks Turkey suffered last week. It seems there are attacks, atrocities and disgusting things happening every week. And then they hit Brussels. This feels like a personal attack. I will always consider Brussels my home city. This has affected friends, family, and seeing pictures of places I frequented on a daily basis flashing up on the news, just like the pictures of Paris, Ankara, Istanbul is gut-wrenching and I'm still in a state of shock, of disbelief. This all feels so surreal. Seeing little things like seeing the departures board at Zaventem airport, above a floor covered in debris, dust and blood. A photo of soldiers standing outside the EU HQ building, with Kitty O'Shea's pub in the background, that I used to go to when I still lived there. Rue de la Loi, where Maelbeek metro station is, that I used to walk along to go to a mate's house... They all make me feel personally wounded "I'm sorry to hear that. | |||
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"What concerns me is that these events are losing their ability to shock." Are we considering them events as part of the world we live in? Because if it does then that's fucking scary | |||
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"What concerns me is that these events are losing their ability to shock. Are we considering them events as part of the world we live in? Because if it does then that's fucking scary " I think some of the reporting reflected that view, yes. There even seems to be an expected reaction of congregating in a public place, vowing to go on with life as normal and then accepting. | |||
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