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Line rental should be scrapped

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By *hyllyphylly OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Householders signing up for broadband packages could be exempted from the rental charge on their landline if they don't use it, under proposals to be discussed by the culture minister.

Ed Vaizey has said the charges of around £18 a month are "outdated".

He wants householders to only pay for the services they use, describing the current system as an "analogue billing system in a digital world".

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

I agree...

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By *hyllyphylly OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford

I think that's a great idea..... Free broadband shouldn't cost £18 a month, lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They'll get their money back some how probably by raising the price of broadband packages to cover it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should do, I never use my landline It's just there because of the internet

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By *irkby coupleCouple
over a year ago

Kirkby

They will put the prices up to cover it

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By *icksfocusMan
over a year ago

Pontefract

I'm with plusnet, and if I don't have a landline phone I save a whole pound on cost of my package from them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm with virginmedia and i don't pay for my landline.

My broadband comes from the other thing (cable?) and not my landline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My landline phone broke about 2 years ago, I didn't even replace the phone

yet still get charged line rental

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm with virginmedia and i don't pay for my landline.

My broadband comes from the other thing (cable?) and not my landline."

If only there was such an invention as cable around here I live in the dark ages, we don't even have a gas supply let alone fibreoptic cabling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm with virginmedia and i don't pay for my landline.

My broadband comes from the other thing (cable?) and not my landline.

If only there was such an invention as cable around here I live in the dark ages, we don't even have a gas supply let alone fibreoptic cabling "
we have the same things it's fibre optic direct on virgin however it is a con, we still pay 40 odd quid without line rental so like earlier post said, they get their money a different way without line rental.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm with virginmedia and i don't pay for my landline.

My broadband comes from the other thing (cable?) and not my landline.

If only there was such an invention as cable around here I live in the dark ages, we don't even have a gas supply let alone fibreoptic cabling "

i've only got it because my next door neighbour paid to have it installed.

i still don't like them though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm with virginmedia and i don't pay for my landline.

My broadband comes from the other thing (cable?) and not my landline.

If only there was such an invention as cable around here I live in the dark ages, we don't even have a gas supply let alone fibreoptic cabling we have the same things it's fibre optic direct on virgin however it is a con, we still pay 40 odd quid without line rental so like earlier post said, they get their money a different way without line rental."

i don't get the TV either, so i'm paying around £24 a month for just my broadband, which i think is steep but it's good broadband so i don't mind paying.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.


"Should do, I never use my landline It's just there because of the internet "

So you are using it then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should do, I never use my landline It's just there because of the internet

So you are using it then... "

Well yes, but I was talking in the context of the actual telephone and making calls.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

We got Virgin and have always been told we still need to have line rental.

I have just been ranting about this today, it's barmy having to pay for something you don't use or want. With technology these days you should be able to get broadband without it.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reality is that your supplier will simply add something to your Broadband price as if you are on DSL they still have to pay Openreach monthly to supply the physical copper (from memory the charge from OR to suppliers is around £5 per month but expect any charge to be that plus a %) even if they disable the facility to use the voice service on the line (which is a trivial task and is commonplace in the business world for things like Cashpoint machines, PDQs etc).

If you're in a Virgin Cabled area the above doesn't apply as there is no Copper element from Openreach to pay for.

Also does not apply in Hull as KCOM are a completely different kettle of fish.

Another thing to bear in mind is that £5 per month line rental from OR only applies to the first supplier in the chain.

Many of the smaller suppliers are one or two or even in some cases three steps further away and everyone in between adds their margin on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have no landline, hyperoptic fiber (one thousand MB second download and upload - yes you can do a full HD movies in 3 seconds) with no monthly phone charge

£30 a month

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By *azkinsWoman
over a year ago

leeds

Im with virgin and i dont have to have the landline but,the difference is not much less.

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By *esmond and Molly JonesCouple
over a year ago

Watford

I suppose one way of saving money would be to agree with a neighbour to share a wifi connection with them and pay half of their bill?

Could work if the signal is strong enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree..."

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

So, where is the cost of the maintenance of the thousands of exchanges, telegraph poles, thousands of miles of aerial and underground cables, thousands of PCP's (the green boxes on the streets) going to come from?

Reality check people, these things don't grow there, they are built, maintained, and worked on by over 20,000 highly trained engineers... who's going to pay them?

Is under 100 quid a year really so much to pay for all that, bearing in mind that just one "van roll" (a visit for a fault etc) can cost over 300 quid?

Your charges for the line rental are tiny in comparison to what it can actually cost to provide a line (sometimes running into 1,000 of pounds!!!) so, lets stop bleating about it and realise that people are out there, in all weathers, making sure you have a phone line so that you can order a takeaway.

Here's a thought, do you mind paying taxes for the NHS, schools, Police etc even though you might not use those services very often?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, where is the cost of the maintenance of the thousands of exchanges, telegraph poles, thousands of miles of aerial and underground cables, thousands of PCP's (the green boxes on the streets) going to come from?"

The same thing could be applied to any services supplied whether that be utilities water or electricity.


" Reality check people, these things don't grow there, they are built, maintained, and worked on by over 20,000 highly trained engineers... who's going to pay them? "

The same people paying for the services they are using? Just remind yourself though whilst we are paying for the services there is a huge profit being made and I can tell you the profit margin is greatly significant to the outgoings.


"Is under 100 quid a year really so much to pay for all that, bearing in mind that just one "van roll" (a visit for a fault etc) can cost over 300 quid?

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Firstly what services are you using for less than 100 a year?! Is tiscali and AOL broadband still running?!?! It's tripped that within a few years easy! Yes we can see but it's Fibre... most places it's fibre only to the pcp. The amount of times the d side is connected to the wrong e side disrupting lines is unbelievable. 999 despatch ambulances to the wrong addresses all the time. The telecommunications industry is a farce with pretend engineers doing 12 week training courses. ALSO the van visits...? This is compulsory, if the lines was properly installed originally then service vans would not have to be deployed. Telephone lines around here are well below the standard hanging limit and should be rendered but probably won't until a van hits one. Again profits vs outlays.


"Here's a thought, do you mind paying taxes for the NHS, schools, Police etc even though you might not use those services very often?"

Don't compare the cost of phone lines (albeit we need them) to the NHS or Police etc hardly the same.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"So, where is the cost of the maintenance of the thousands of exchanges, telegraph poles, thousands of miles of aerial and underground cables, thousands of PCP's (the green boxes on the streets) going to come from?

The same thing could be applied to any services supplied whether that be utilities water or electricity.

Reality check people, these things don't grow there, they are built, maintained, and worked on by over 20,000 highly trained engineers... who's going to pay them?

The same people paying for the services they are using? Just remind yourself though whilst we are paying for the services there is a huge profit being made and I can tell you the profit margin is greatly significant to the outgoings.

Is under 100 quid a year really so much to pay for all that, bearing in mind that just one "van roll" (a visit for a fault etc) can cost over 300 quid?

Firstly what services are you using for less than 100 a year?! Is tiscali and AOL broadband still running?!?! It's tripped that within a few years easy! Yes we can see but it's Fibre... most places it's fibre only to the pcp. The amount of times the d side is connected to the wrong e side disrupting lines is unbelievable. 999 despatch ambulances to the wrong addresses all the time. The telecommunications industry is a farce with pretend engineers doing 12 week training courses. ALSO the van visits...? This is compulsory, if the lines was properly installed originally then service vans would not have to be deployed. Telephone lines around here are well below the standard hanging limit and should be rendered but probably won't until a van hits one. Again profits vs outlays.

Here's a thought, do you mind paying taxes for the NHS, schools, Police etc even though you might not use those services very often?

Don't compare the cost of phone lines (albeit we need them) to the NHS or Police etc hardly the same.

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Line rental for a phone line is under 100 pounds a year, anything else you pay over and above that is charged by your Comms provider for services.

Fucked "D" and "E" side routing a lot of the time is down to contractors.

Providing a phone line correctly in the first instance is easy, and relatively cheap most of the time... however, most van rolls are for faults, nothing lasts forever, copper and aluminium cables deteriorate, trees damage arial cables, roadworks hit underground cables, the list goes on.

Low drop wires.... lots are down to contractors again, no field engineer is going to risk putting one up below minimum height and risk getting disciplined or sacked for it!

My mention of the NHS etc was not as comparison as such, but to point out that people pay for things they might not use, and yet they don't moan about that... but phone lines are a soft target.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We got rid of our phone line as we only used mobile and the broadband was crap anyway... and they charged a fee - supposedly for an engineer to disconnect the line

BT have taken the piss for years.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"We got rid of our phone line as we only used mobile and the broadband was crap anyway... and they charged a fee - supposedly for an engineer to disconnect the line

BT have taken the piss for years."

That charge would have been for a Frames engineer to cease the line, that's to go to the exchange, and physically take the wires off the network aspect of the circuit... do you think it was the fairies that done it mun?

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