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"Yes, let's all jump on the bandwagon and slam the govt for allowing this to happen eh? Fact: The ARMY has stated that this mistake was down to their administative errors, not the govt., although the govt has apologised unreservedly and vowed that this will never happen again. Normal procedure is for redundancy notices to be sent to the commanding officer who then tells the soldier face to face. But I wonder how many of you understand the term 'start planning for your resettlement'. Not many it appears. Allow me to elaborate. When the army lets someone go, or when they leave at the end of their length of service, the army pay for them to retrain for life in civvy street. Whatever they want to do, and whatever qualifications they need - the army foots the bill for it. An ex-forces friend of mine is now a fully qualified Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer - the army paid for it all and he took every qualification he could get - the full range of MS Certification you can get. Cost: £5k What does he earn now: circa £50k ... plus his very generous Army pension, plus his redundancy pay. Poor soldiers eh?" Mabye you should have a conversation with Colonel Tim Collins ...and the plight of ex servicemen ....and then post again .... | |||
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"Yes, let's all jump on the bandwagon and slam the govt for allowing this to happen eh? Fact: The ARMY has stated that this mistake was down to their administative errors, not the govt., although the govt has apologised unreservedly and vowed that this will never happen again. Normal procedure is for redundancy notices to be sent to the commanding officer who then tells the soldier face to face. But I wonder how many of you understand the term 'start planning for your resettlement'. Not many it appears. Allow me to elaborate. When the army lets someone go, or when they leave at the end of their length of service, the army pay for them to retrain for life in civvy street. Whatever they want to do, and whatever qualifications they need - the army foots the bill for it. An ex-forces friend of mine is now a fully qualified Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer - the army paid for it all and he took every qualification he could get - the full range of MS Certification you can get. Cost: £5k What does he earn now: circa £50k ... plus his very generous Army pension, plus his redundancy pay. Poor soldiers eh?" didnt need to no that,seen it , done it got it!! but me thinks you are wrong in some of the things you have said! the army dont look after all who leave.. fact!  no need to elaborate... army navy raf all come under M.O.D, which is a branch of the gov.. same ass different donkey!  | |||
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"Yes, let's all jump on the bandwagon and slam the govt for allowing this to happen eh? Fact: The ARMY has stated that this mistake was down to their administative errors, not the govt., although the govt has apologised unreservedly and vowed that this will never happen again. Normal procedure is for redundancy notices to be sent to the commanding officer who then tells the soldier face to face. But I wonder how many of you understand the term 'start planning for your resettlement'. Not many it appears. Allow me to elaborate. When the army lets someone go, or when they leave at the end of their length of service, the army pay for them to retrain for life in civvy street. Whatever they want to do, and whatever qualifications they need - the army foots the bill for it. An ex-forces friend of mine is now a fully qualified Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer - the army paid for it all and he took every qualification he could get - the full range of MS Certification you can get. Cost: £5k What does he earn now: circa £50k ... plus his very generous Army pension, plus his redundancy pay. Poor soldiers eh?" YES ! poor soldiers . you need to get in the real world .and see how they do treat there soldiers ? | |||
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"An unfortunate situation for the people concerned but it has been rectified. Many people who are made redundant get served much, much less than that. That doesnt make it right but people all over this country face challenges at this tough economic times, the armed forces are no different. Best wishes to the people impacted and hope they secure roles when the times comes. They have time to plan. Unlike the folks being told tonight, the factory, workshop, small company etc etc is closing tomorrow. " and totally agree with you . we all face challenging times , but is it strange how there is a lot of unrest in the ARAB countries , mm who is behind that ? | |||
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"An unfortunate situation for the people concerned but it has been rectified. Many people who are made redundant get served much, much less than that. That doesnt make it right but people all over this country face challenges at this tough economic times, the armed forces are no different. Best wishes to the people impacted and hope they secure roles when the times comes. They have time to plan. Unlike the folks being told tonight, the factory, workshop, small company etc etc is closing tomorrow. and totally agree with you . we all face challenging times , but is it strange how there is a lot of unrest in the ARAB countries , mm who is behind that ? " Arabs?? | |||
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"An unfortunate situation for the people concerned but it has been rectified. Many people who are made redundant get served much, much less than that. That doesnt make it right but people all over this country face challenges at this tough economic times, the armed forces are no different. Best wishes to the people impacted and hope they secure roles when the times comes. They have time to plan. Unlike the folks being told tonight, the factory, workshop, small company etc etc is closing tomorrow. and totally agree with you . we all face challenging times , but is it strange how there is a lot of unrest in the ARAB countries , mm who is behind that ? Arabs??" hehehe | |||
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"Wishy...did you watch forgotten heroes on the bbc? Tim Carroll investigated ....far too many of our armed forces slip through the net and end up homeless and suffering....not all earn 50k "true... 7 of us slipped through the net.. o sorry we got a ... THANKS 50K | |||
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"Wishy...did you watch forgotten heroes on the bbc? Tim Carroll investigated ....far too many of our armed forces slip through the net and end up homeless and suffering....not all earn 50k "No, I didn't watch a BBC non-biased report, I learned what I know from a friend who was in the army and is now doing very well. My own brother-in-law is still in and knows exactly what he's going to be doing when he leaves and what courses the Army will be paying for to re-settle him. Not every soldier has the brains to make it in civvy street, in so much as not every civvy has the where-with-all to make a good combat soldier. I can imagine that the BBC simply found 7 ex-squaddies who were down on their luck and portrayed them as forgotten heroes by whatever govt 'forgot' them. I'm extremely wary of reports designed to twang your heart strings. Did it show any ex-squaddies who'd made a success of themselves. | |||
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"Wishy...did you watch forgotten heroes on the bbc? Tim Carroll investigated ....far too many of our armed forces slip through the net and end up homeless and suffering....not all earn 50k
No, I didn't watch a BBC non-biased report, I learned what I know from a friend who was in the army and is now doing very well. My own brother-in-law is still in and knows exactly what he's going to be doing when he leaves and what courses the Army will be paying for to re-settle him.
Not every soldier has the brains to make it in civvy street, in so much as not every civvy has the where-with-all to make a good combat soldier.
I can imagine that the BBC simply found 7 ex-squaddies who were down on their luck and portrayed them as forgotten heroes by whatever govt 'forgot' them.
I'm extremely wary of reports designed to twang your heart strings. Did it show any ex-squaddies who'd made a success of themselves."Unbelievable...you know a friend ?...a friend ...yer fucking joking right ... Cheap ..tawdry ....ignoranance that I would only credit to a half wit .... I thought better of you ...you`ve lost yer way here...being an apologist fer every government action ..has blinded you to seek any balance ... And if it was cheap political points you was after ...the inter_iew with Liam Fox would of given some mileage to talk with at least a modicum of sense .... Unbelievable ignorance ... | |||
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"Wishy...did you watch forgotten heroes on the bbc? Tim Carroll investigated ....far too many of our armed forces slip through the net and end up homeless and suffering....not all earn 50k
No, I didn't watch a BBC non-biased report, I learned what I know from a friend who was in the army and is now doing very well. My own brother-in-law is still in and knows exactly what he's going to be doing when he leaves and what courses the Army will be paying for to re-settle him.
Not every soldier has the brains to make it in civvy street, in so much as not every civvy has the where-with-all to make a good combat soldier.
I can imagine that the BBC simply found 7 ex-squaddies who were down on their luck and portrayed them as forgotten heroes by whatever govt 'forgot' them.
I'm extremely wary of reports designed to twang your heart strings. Did it show any ex-squaddies who'd made a success of themselves."Now now Wishy, this IS something thats close to my heart and something i know about, i officially invite you to come and see what i do.....the homeless shelters are bursting at the seams with ex servicemen and women, many with MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES....abandoned by the country they fought for.....many of which are deemed ok as they have no physical injuries, society looks but doesnt see Wishy...so come n see for yourself | |||
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"Wishy...did you watch forgotten heroes on the bbc? Tim Carroll investigated ....far too many of our armed forces slip through the net and end up homeless and suffering....not all earn 50k
No, I didn't watch a BBC non-biased report, I learned what I know from a friend who was in the army and is now doing very well. My own brother-in-law is still in and knows exactly what he's going to be doing when he leaves and what courses the Army will be paying for to re-settle him.
Not every soldier has the brains to make it in civvy street, in so much as not every civvy has the where-with-all to make a good combat soldier.
I can imagine that the BBC simply found 7 ex-squaddies who were down on their luck and portrayed them as forgotten heroes by whatever govt 'forgot' them.
I'm extremely wary of reports designed to twang your heart strings. Did it show any ex-squaddies who'd made a success of themselves.Now now Wishy, this IS something thats close to my heart and something i know about, i officially invite you to come and see what i do.....the homeless shelters are bursting at the seams with ex servicemen and women, many with MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES....abandoned by the country they fought for.....many of which are deemed ok as they have no physical injuries, society looks but doesnt see Wishy...so come n see for yourself "WELL done you ! | |||
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"Wishy...did you watch forgotten heroes on the bbc? Tim Carroll investigated ....far too many of our armed forces slip through the net and end up homeless and suffering....not all earn 50k
No, I didn't watch a BBC non-biased report, I learned what I know from a friend who was in the army and is now doing very well. My own brother-in-law is still in and knows exactly what he's going to be doing when he leaves and what courses the Army will be paying for to re-settle him.
Not every soldier has the brains to make it in civvy street, in so much as not every civvy has the where-with-all to make a good combat soldier.
I can imagine that the BBC simply found 7 ex-squaddies who were down on their luck and portrayed them as forgotten heroes by whatever govt 'forgot' them.
I'm extremely wary of reports designed to twang your heart strings. Did it show any ex-squaddies who'd made a success of themselves.Now now Wishy, this IS something thats close to my heart and something i know about, i officially invite you to come and see what i do.....the homeless shelters are bursting at the seams with ex servicemen and women, many with MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES....abandoned by the country they fought for.....many of which are deemed ok as they have no physical injuries, society looks but doesnt see Wishy...so come n see for yourself WELL done you ! "Yes..bless you!!..working on that front line is challenging ....my respect.. | |||
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"Wishy...did you watch forgotten heroes on the bbc? Tim Carroll investigated ....far too many of our armed forces slip through the net and end up homeless and suffering....not all earn 50k
No, I didn't watch a BBC non-biased report, I learned what I know from a friend who was in the army and is now doing very well. My own brother-in-law is still in and knows exactly what he's going to be doing when he leaves and what courses the Army will be paying for to re-settle him.
Not every soldier has the brains to make it in civvy street, in so much as not every civvy has the where-with-all to make a good combat soldier.
I can imagine that the BBC simply found 7 ex-squaddies who were down on their luck and portrayed them as forgotten heroes by whatever govt 'forgot' them.
I'm extremely wary of reports designed to twang your heart strings. Did it show any ex-squaddies who'd made a success of themselves.Now now Wishy, this IS something thats close to my heart and something i know about, i officially invite you to come and see what i do.....the homeless shelters are bursting at the seams with ex servicemen and women, many with MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES....abandoned by the country they fought for.....many of which are deemed ok as they have no physical injuries, society looks but doesnt see Wishy...so come n see for yourself "AND that front line is much more difficult ,than the ones i was on ! your a true HERO ! | |||
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"Now now Wishy, this IS something thats close to my heart and something i know about, i officially invite you to come and see what i do.....the homeless shelters are bursting at the seams with ex servicemen and women, many with MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES....abandoned by the country they fought for.....many of which are deemed ok as they have no physical injuries, society looks but doesnt see Wishy...so come n see for yourself " Sorry femme, I didn't mean that to come across as sarcastic as it read. I didn't see the prog so asked the question about ex-forces personnel who had succeeded in transitioning from army life to civvy. Test sometimes skews one's words and infers meanings that weren't intended. I know some ex-forces do suffer from the things they've seen, Coronation St recently ran a storyline featuring that very thing and did it well I thought. I was simply trying to say that yes, it was a shitty way to tell a front line soldier he'd been sacked, but the govt and the MoD have stated that it was an error and won't happen again. It does make one wonder about the motives of the person who hit 'Send'. Was that person acting with a hidden agenda or just a plain fucking idiot. Once again, sorry if it seemed I was having a pop, I wasn't. x | |||
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"Now now Wishy, this IS something thats close to my heart and something i know about, i officially invite you to come and see what i do.....the homeless shelters are bursting at the seams with ex servicemen and women, many with MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES....abandoned by the country they fought for.....many of which are deemed ok as they have no physical injuries, society looks but doesnt see Wishy...so come n see for yourself Sorry femme, I didn't mean that to come across as sarcastic as it read. I didn't see the prog so asked the question about ex-forces personnel who had succeeded in transitioning from army life to civvy. Test sometimes skews one's words and infers meanings that weren't intended. I know some ex-forces do suffer from the things they've seen, Coronation St recently ran a storyline featuring that very thing and did it well I thought. I was simply trying to say that yes, it was a shitty way to tell a front line soldier he'd been sacked, but the govt and the MoD have stated that it was an error and won't happen again. It does make one wonder about the motives of the person who hit 'Send'. Was that person acting with a hidden agenda or just a plain fucking idiot. Once again, sorry if it seemed I was having a pop, I wasn't. x" Fair enough Wishy...very emotive subject xx | |||
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"the M.O.D are totally out of order on this. if a man or woman has the gutts to sign on the dotted line and risk there lifes. then at least have the balls to sit them down when they are home in the uk and explain the reasons... show them respect. they ernt it! dont treat them like cannon fodder!! "Its not the best bit of PR at all but be it by email or in person its never good. Many in the armed forces go in not with it being a first choice more for the fact its like a family and it is! I spent many a year in there with people i still class as brothers. The big problem is that its not easy for many to adjust to civvie street and end up being forgotten about and discarded. I know there is a lot of support for the troops and its great. I still feel a lot of pride for them although its a while since i left. It would be good for people sparing a thought for the boys when they are struggling to enter into civilian life. I know not all are in a position to employ ex services but if you are then look on at the guy your inter_iewing. Often they struggle to get jobs after years in uniform contrary to popular belief. At some point he may have risked his life for us and be favourable if you can in employing him hand helping him re-enter mainstream society. | |||
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"Yes, let's all jump on the bandwagon and slam the govt for allowing this to happen eh? ?" Where? It is you that brought up the govt. Are you on the payroll as you defend them whatever they do? Even when no one mentioned them. To the OP, yes it is a shitty way to get made redundant, but that goes for everyone....although so it seems it was a "mistake" | |||
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"Yes, let's all jump on the bandwagon and slam the govt for allowing this to happen eh? ? Where? It is you that brought up the govt. Are you on the payroll as you defend them whatever they do? Even when no one mentioned them. To the OP, yes it is a shitty way to get made redundant, but that goes for everyone....although so it seems it was a "mistake"" Am I on the govt's payroll? No, wish I was though.. I just think there is an unhealthy amount of Labour support on here who critisicse the Coalition no matter what they do. This email sent to soldiers wasn't the govt's fault, it was the error of one individual who hit 'Send' to the wrong people. To my mind, when we take part in an election we cast our vote and accept the result - that's democracy, but to others it seems we just keep counting till we get the result we want. Take some of these Labour-run councils who are slashing essential public services because they've been told to make upto 25% cuts. What do they do? Cut libraries, public toilets, bus routes - vital services needed in their communities. Why? Because it makes a political point. It has nothing to do with serving the communities they were elected to represent. They could have found the majority of the cuts required by simply looking for where money was being needlessly wasted - like their own super-inflated wages for example! How is it that a council leader earns more than the Prime Minister? So yes, I'll defend this govt because it's one I voted for and I believe that what they're doing is the right way to combat the shambolic financial mess Labour left us in, and I'll do it on these boards if only to voice an opposition to the loony Labour lefties who support them for the simple reason that 'grandad did'. | |||
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" .........This email sent to soldiers wasn't the govt's fault, it was the error of one individual who hit 'Send' to the wrong people. ..............." That's where you're wrong. Not making a party political point here but the Minister is any department is ultimatly responsible for everything and anything that happens in his department. It's called Ministerial Responsibility. Is it fair? Probably not. Can you really expect a cabinet minister sitting in Whitehall to know every detail of every action or activity by every MOD employee, uniformed or civillian, anywhere in the world 24x7? Clearly not but, under Ministerial Responsibilty, s/he is. Fox is the guy in charge and one of his staff screwed it up. Trying to shift the focus onto public services is a nice try but it might be better to start another thread. | |||
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"Yes, let's all jump on the bandwagon and slam the govt for allowing this to happen eh? ? Where? It is you that brought up the govt. Are you on the payroll as you defend them whatever they do? Even when no one mentioned them. To the OP, yes it is a shitty way to get made redundant, but that goes for everyone....although so it seems it was a "mistake" Am I on the govt's payroll? No, wish I was though.. I just think there is an unhealthy amount of Labour support on here who critisicse the Coalition no matter what they do. ." Irony at its best 
As no one had mentioned the govt about these mails or their support of labour then I think your post just proves one thing... you say that you think some people have an unhealthy amount of Labour support , you come across as having the same unhealthy support for the Coalition.
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