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When did undertaking become a legal manoeuvre?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe you should drive a bit faster

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been working too long today, as I was expecting to read about a solicitors undertaking.

When the hard shoulder is allowed as a lane to go off at a junction - can you undertake then?

Don't Audi drivers always tailgate? (

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating. "
if everyone is undertaking you then you're either middle lane driving or driving too slow in the fast lane

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

You should be in the left lane on a motorway or dual carriageway, unless you're about to turn right (as in a few hundred meters, not 3 miles up the road)

It's pretty much a daily encounter for me to find some pillock stuck in the middle lane of a motorway doing 50, at 1am- oblivious to the world around them....so do I pull across 3 lanes and then back, or just continue where I am and hope dipshit doesn't suddenly regain consciousness?

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

I have been known to undertake but again, only when some fool is in the middle lane with no traffic whatsoever on their left at all. I am not going 2 lanes right to pass the talentless imbecile pootling down the middle lane before moving left 2 lanes again.

Even worse is that those same idiots end up in lane 3 on a 4 lane motorway. WTF???

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By *ylonesqueMan
over a year ago

Near Aberystwyth

As far as I am aware, undertaking has never been an illegal manoeuvre.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"I have been known to undertake but again, only when some fool is in the middle lane with no traffic whatsoever on their left at all. I am not going 2 lanes right to pass the talentless imbecile pootling down the middle lane before moving left 2 lanes again.

Even worse is that those same idiots end up in lane 3 on a 4 lane motorway. WTF??? "

Alas that makes you just as much of an imbecile. Two wrongs and all that. If there's a middle lane hogger, I move from the inside to the middle to the outside lane, overtake safely and move back into the inside lane. Let them be the fuckwit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe you should drive a bit faster "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My personal opinion everyone needs to get off the road lol all too slow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating. "

Hogging the middle lane is illegal if that helps. So you're just as guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As far as I am aware, undertaking has never been an illegal manoeuvre."

Not illegal but considered dangerous driving in Some circumstances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have been known to undertake but again, only when some fool is in the middle lane with no traffic whatsoever on their left at all. I am not going 2 lanes right to pass the talentless imbecile pootling down the middle lane before moving left 2 lanes again.

Even worse is that those same idiots end up in lane 3 on a 4 lane motorway. WTF???

Alas that makes you just as much of an imbecile. Two wrongs and all that. If there's a middle lane hogger, I move from the inside to the middle to the outside lane, overtake safely and move back into the inside lane. Let them be the fuckwit. "

Being a professional driver, this is exactly what I do too.

Too many idiots on the road already, don't want to cause an accident just because one fukwit is driving badly.

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Undertaking can only happen if the car in front hasn't moved into the left lane

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing in law to say it's illegal to undertake lane 2 or 3 hoggers.

But since lane hogging is now an offence. The lane hoggers would be the ones stopped for an offence.

Undertaking in this scenario wouldn't be deemed enough to be called dangerous driving or without due care and attention.

If you were undertaking and weaving then it's a different story.

Moral of the story....don't be a nob and sit in the middle lane

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"I have been known to undertake but again, only when some fool is in the middle lane with no traffic whatsoever on their left at all. I am not going 2 lanes right to pass the talentless imbecile pootling down the middle lane before moving left 2 lanes again.

Even worse is that those same idiots end up in lane 3 on a 4 lane motorway. WTF???

Alas that makes you just as much of an imbecile. Two wrongs and all that. If there's a middle lane hogger, I move from the inside to the middle to the outside lane, overtake safely and move back into the inside lane. Let them be the fuckwit. "
and if your driving a hgv thats banned from the outside lane what do you do ? and believe me this happens all to often usualy some dodering pensioner pottering along in the center lane at 50 oblivious to the world around them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hgv s keep to the inside lane when the overtake they use the middle lane on a duel carriage way they use the fast lane to overtake like everyone else it holds up the people behind but they do it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hgv s keep to the inside lane when the overtake they use the middle lane on a duel carriage way they use the fast lane to overtake like everyone else it holds up the people behind but they do it"

Yes they do it, and why?? Because the fukwit car drivers hog the lanes doing 54mph, they have deadlines to reach, and siting behind a twat that doesn't realise they are causing a traffic holdup!

Not saying I undertake, but understand why some do.

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World


"Hgv s keep to the inside lane when the overtake they use the middle lane on a duel carriage way they use the fast lane to overtake like everyone else it holds up the people behind but they do it"

HGVs over 7.5 tonnes aren't allowed in lane 3 is what he was saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating. "

Undertaking is illegal, however so is sitting in the outside lane so people can't get past. If someone is tailgating you then just move into the inside lane & let them past. Driving is a massive part of my job & there's nothing worse than someone just sat in the outside lane holding people up. I've been know to undertake in this situation & it generally means the person in front of me is ignorant of others on the road. Use your mirrors - if someone is coming up behind you & going faster, just freaking pull over. There's no driver courtesy anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The government had a campaign called "think bike" - cyclists always undertake so I'm just following government advice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if the person lane hugging is a pregnant woman who pulls left when some one is undertaking can you understand why an innocent child should be killed cuz Someone have a deadline?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And if the person lane hugging is a pregnant woman who pulls left when some one is undertaking can you understand why an innocent child should be killed cuz Someone have a deadline?"

Surely the illegal action is lane hogging - so the innocent death is on the hands of the lane hogger?

Or is the lane hogger allowed to flaunt the law and then hold no responsibility for their action, which is actually an all too common stance now days eg the burglar who cuts themselves climbing over your fence gets to sue you for their injuries....

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

You don't get this with a flying carpet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And if the person lane hugging is a pregnant woman who pulls left when some one is undertaking can you understand why an innocent child should be killed cuz Someone have a deadline?

Surely the illegal action is lane hogging - so the innocent death is on the hands of the lane hogger?

Or is the lane hogger allowed to flaunt the law and then hold no responsibility for their action, which is actually an all too common stance now days eg the burglar who cuts themselves climbing over your fence gets to sue you for their injuries...."
not the same thing I believe yes lane hugging is illegal but in driving you watch the road as well as the road users just cause someone is doing something silly and endangering their lives doesn't mean you have to do the same I've seen many police cars driving in the middle lane and ive never seen anyone undertake them every one goes to the outside lane why do you think they don't undertake the police?

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"And if the person lane hugging is a pregnant woman who pulls left when some one is undertaking can you understand why an innocent child should be killed cuz Someone have a deadline?"

Does pregnancy reduce the ability to indicate and use mirrors- as in mirror, signal, manoeuvre...an integral part of the driving test

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

If the vehicle is in the lane nearest to the kerb, except when overtaking another vehicle, how could anyone undertake? It wouldn't be possible, due to the lane nearest the kerb holding the vehicle that's already being overtaken - there wouldn't be an empty lane that could be used for undertaking.

Except for when a vehicle is driving in an outer lane whilst not occupying a lane to the left that is free.

It is the so-called undertaken car that is not keeping left that is creating the driving hazard, preventing other road users from keeping left at all times, except whilst overtaking.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"And if the person lane hugging is a pregnant woman who pulls left when some one is undertaking can you understand why an innocent child should be killed cuz Someone have a deadline?"

What does her being pregnant have to do with her hogging a middle lane?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Undertaking is illegal. Highway Code rule 268.

There are exceptions for slow moving traffic where you are keeping speed with the rest of your lane.

OP, your question suggests you spend a lot of time in the wrong lane. And your experience of tailgaters reinforces that.

If people moved back to the left when they were not overtaking we wouldn't need to build more motorways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating. "

Unless you are a local, roundabouts can be real fuckers. The signage and lane indications only appear when you are there, by which time it is too late.

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By *estlands4Man
over a year ago

Sidmouth

It's those who hog the outside lane who really annoy me - two clear lanes to the left and they won't move....

Or two lanes of traffic and nothing in the inside lane - JUST SHIFT OVER!!

As for tailgaters don't get me started...

Rant over....

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ok full on rant

Stand back

WHEN DID I FUCKING SAY IT WAS PEOPLE UNDERTAKING ME?

And breath.

Besides even if they were that is no justification to undertake.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So from most response I guess you're all undertakers and tailgaters?

Another reason why I personally think that the driving test should be compulsory retest every ten years.

So people can relearn how to drive correctly.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Passing traffic in an outer lane, if they are slower, and your lane is going faster, is perfectly legal.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"Ok full on rant

Stand back

WHEN DID I FUCKING SAY IT WAS PEOPLE UNDERTAKING ME?

And breath.

Besides even if they were that is no justification to undertake.

"

Sitting in the right hand lane at up to 30mph below the speed limit has no justification either but I see it every day

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By *nfinity1Man
over a year ago

Near Bournemouth


"Undertaking is illegal. Highway Code rule 268.

There are exceptions for slow moving traffic where you are keeping speed with the rest of your lane.

OP, your question suggests you spend a lot of time in the wrong lane. And your experience of tailgaters reinforces that.

If people moved back to the left when they were not overtaking we wouldn't need to build more motorways. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive up and down the a46 regularly.

It's mostly dual carriageway.

On a Sunday evening when I'm travelling from Leicester to Lincoln there are very few cars travelling.

I'm proceeding along the left hand lane and I'm approaching a car in the right hand lane doing 50 - no way am I going to just sit the rest of my journey at 50.

The lane in front of me is clear so I will continue.

When I passed my test one of the most sensible things I was taught is "do not drive or make a maneuver which causes other drivers to alter their speed or direction of travel"

I was also taught to accelerate away from a hazard - the law breaker in the outside lane is clearly a hazard....

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!


"I have been known to undertake but again, only when some fool is in the middle lane with no traffic whatsoever on their left at all. I am not going 2 lanes right to pass the talentless imbecile pootling down the middle lane before moving left 2 lanes again.

Even worse is that those same idiots end up in lane 3 on a 4 lane motorway. WTF???

Alas that makes you just as much of an imbecile. Two wrongs and all that. If there's a middle lane hogger, I move from the inside to the middle to the outside lane, overtake safely and move back into the inside lane. Let them be the fuckwit. "

True story. About 8 years ago, my Mum was transferred from Poole Hospital to Guys Nuffield in London. I followed the ambulance up to London. It was a quiet, very cold but sunny Sunday morning and after the M25 interchange, I was the only vehicle on the motorway going north-bound for a while. Because of this, I considered in would be safe enough for me to proceed with a fair a turn of speed as my ancient Land Rover could muster. Imagine my surprise to come across a small hatch back car doing 50 MPH(ish) in lane 2!

I indicated, put on main beam and blew the horn as I moved from lane 1 to lane 3, passed the car, then moved back into lane 1. The car still remained in lane 2 as it disappeared from view in my mirrors! And still just the two of us on the motorway!

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"So from most response I guess you're all undertakers and tailgaters?

Another reason why I personally think that the driving test should be compulsory retest every ten years.

So people can relearn how to drive correctly. "

Neither.

I like to drive fast but I drive to the road conditions and that includes paying attention to the fannies who are undertaking, lane hogging and tailgating.

I love my car and me... I hope we both stay in one piece.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating.

Unless you are a local, roundabouts can be real fuckers. The signage and lane indications only appear when you are there, by which time it is too late."

Another poor excuse to drive erratically, unless you know the area is such a poor excuse for bad driving.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"Hgv s keep to the inside lane when the overtake they use the middle lane on a duel carriage way they use the fast lane to overtake like everyone else it holds up the people behind but they do it

HGVs over 7.5 tonnes aren't allowed in lane 3 is what he was saying."
all HGVs are now banned from lane three due to being fitted with speed limiters as are coaches and busses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hgv s keep to the inside lane when the overtake they use the middle lane on a duel carriage way they use the fast lane to overtake like everyone else it holds up the people behind but they do it

HGVs over 7.5 tonnes aren't allowed in lane 3 is what he was saying.all HGVs are now banned from lane three due to being fitted with speed limiters as are coaches and busses "

Er.... well I ama coach driver and as far as I was aware I have NEVER been allowed into lane 3 even though my coach is not limited.

We are actually allowed to drive at 70mph .... its an ungiven rule that we only go to 62mph

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Undertaking in those circumstances isn't actually illegal - you are allowed to pass on the left in a one-way street, and either side of a dual carriageway or motorway is technically treated as a one-way street.

So is a round-a-bout - and because they are so complicated to legislate for, there actually aren't any specific laws dealing with them...

However, the catch-all is careless or dangerous driving - which is always open to the interpretation of the courts!

Just drive sensibly and courteously, and hold your temper when somebody else is driving like a bird-brain...

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"Hgv s keep to the inside lane when the overtake they use the middle lane on a duel carriage way they use the fast lane to overtake like everyone else it holds up the people behind but they do it

HGVs over 7.5 tonnes aren't allowed in lane 3 is what he was saying.all HGVs are now banned from lane three due to being fitted with speed limiters as are coaches and busses "
thats every comersial vehicle over 3.5t

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All depends on the age of the vehicle tbh.

Older ones do not need a limiter fitted

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also my minibus (54reg) hasn't got a limiter either, the fact is we are allwed to drive up to 70mph

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My 323ci has a limiter - won't go above 155

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyway.... this discussion is not about speed, it's about idiotic drivers who hog lanes.... dangerous and also inconsiderate of other road users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My 323ci has a limiter - won't go above 155 "

Wanna race with my scoob? Last rolling road was pushing just under 400bhp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My 323ci has a limiter - won't go above 155

Wanna race with my scoob? Last rolling road was pushing just under 400bhp "

But that would be irresponsible....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My 323ci has a limiter - won't go above 155

Wanna race with my scoob? Last rolling road was pushing just under 400bhp

But that would be irresponsible.... "

On a track obviously

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Sanctimonious;

making a show of being morally superior to other people.

synonyms: self-righteous, holier-than-thou, churchy, pious, pietistic, moralizing, unctuous, smug, superior, priggish, mealy-mouthed, hypocritical, insincere, for forum's sake, to keep up appearances.

And be fucking boring to boot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about cyclists undertaking when in a cycle lane and you are turning left ? I know it's their funeral to argue with a ton of mobile metal but who does have the right of way in that situation ? I would imagine that they should have to give way to a vehicle ahead turning left but what are the actual rules regarding the 'magic' cycle lanes ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Read what it says on the back of 'most' large vehicles... we can't see you, so your playing with your own life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I try not to undertake and I also tend to use cruise control to monitor my speed. Quite often there are cars sitting in the middle lane for no reason what so ever I will always try and get around them but sometimes it's not possible and I end up undertaking, a few months ago this happened as it often does however in this case the fuckwit decided to speed up and try force me off the road, he then sped up pulled in front of me and slammed his foot on the break, I tried to move over he done the same and broke again, I moved back over he slowed and tried to force me off the road again. Fucking twat was driving a high performance car, never a police car when you need one.

Also the Highway Code isn't the law it's just a code of practice

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"Ok full on rant

Stand back

WHEN DID I FUCKING SAY IT WAS PEOPLE UNDERTAKING ME?

And breath.

Besides even if they were that is no justification to undertake.

"

I didn't say you said it was people undertaking you, I said from what you've said it would appear so, and it does!!!

I'm not sure how it's possible to witness lots of undertaking manoeuvres unless you are either being undertaking or doing the undertaking.

I do a lot of motorways at night and regularly come across driver in the outside lane doing less than 80 (I know the limits 70 but we are all grown ups)

And I undertake them. Regularly.

And given the circumstances I think any copper witnessing it would be a lot more likely to tug the dawdling, lane hogging twat than he would be to tug me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I try not to undertake and I also tend to use cruise control to monitor my speed. Quite often there are cars sitting in the middle lane for no reason what so ever I will always try and get around them but sometimes it's not possible and I end up undertaking, a few months ago this happened as it often does however in this case the fuckwit decided to speed up and try force me off the road, he then sped up pulled in front of me and slammed his foot on the break, I tried to move over he done the same and broke again, I moved back over he slowed and tried to force me off the road again. Fucking twat was driving a high performance car, never a police car when you need one.

Also the Highway Code isn't the law it's just a code of practice "

It's fucktards who drive like that who give other road users a headache.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok full on rant

Stand back

WHEN DID I FUCKING SAY IT WAS PEOPLE UNDERTAKING ME?

And breath.

Besides even if they were that is no justification to undertake.

I didn't say you said it was people undertaking you, I said from what you've said it would appear so, and it does!!!

I'm not sure how it's possible to witness lots of undertaking manoeuvres unless you are either being undertaking or doing the undertaking.

I do a lot of motorways at night and regularly come across driver in the outside lane doing less than 80 (I know the limits 70 but we are all grown ups)

And I undertake them. Regularly.

And given the circumstances I think any copper witnessing it would be a lot more likely to tug the dawdling, lane hogging twat than he would be to tug me. "

May I ask what speed your driving at then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I try not to undertake and I also tend to use cruise control to monitor my speed. Quite often there are cars sitting in the middle lane for no reason what so ever I will always try and get around them but sometimes it's not possible and I end up undertaking, a few months ago this happened as it often does however in this case the fuckwit decided to speed up and try force me off the road, he then sped up pulled in front of me and slammed his foot on the break, I tried to move over he done the same and broke again, I moved back over he slowed and tried to force me off the road again. Fucking twat was driving a high performance car, never a police car when you need one.

Also the Highway Code isn't the law it's just a code of practice

It's fucktards who drive like that who give other road users a headache. "

The worst I had was a fucking diplomat who tried to send me over the m4 flyover in Brentford (deliberately) honestly thought I was going to die

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating. if everyone is undertaking you then you're either middle lane driving or driving too slow in the fast lane"

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

And lane hogging is now a convictable offence with a £100 fine and three points.

It effectively turns a 3 lane motorway into a 2 lane motorway and not of our non rush hour congestion is caused by this.

I'm sad enough to to have literally spent hours in seminars about traffic flow and congestion impact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And lane hogging is now a convictable offence with a £100 fine and three points.

It effectively turns a 3 lane motorway into a 2 lane motorway and not of our non rush hour congestion is caused by this.

I'm sad enough to to have literally spent hours in seminars about traffic flow and congestion impact. "

I think they are called speed awareness courses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And lane hogging is now a convictable offence with a £100 fine and three points.

It effectively turns a 3 lane motorway into a 2 lane motorway and not of our non rush hour congestion is caused by this.

I'm sad enough to to have literally spent hours in seminars about traffic flow and congestion impact.

I think they are called speed awareness courses "

Can't be they are only allowed once every 3 years not that I know

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"

May I ask what speed your driving at then? "

I usually tickle along at 80 on the cruise control which is about 76 on the Satnav (speedos are always a bit over) keeping me the right side of attracting the attention of plod.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"

I think they are called speed awareness courses "

Nope, not speed awareness courses, Highways Agency seminars where they give advance info on upcoming traffic plans and stuff. It's not very exciting.

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By *ishopstippleMan
over a year ago

Purley

if you can be undertaken? Your in the wrong lane.

Im glad to see they police are now doing middle lane hoggers & outside lane objectors doing 70.0 MPH.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

May I ask what speed your driving at then?

I usually tickle along at 80 on the cruise control which is about 76 on the Satnav (speedos are always a bit over) keeping me the right side of attracting the attention of plod. "

So you knowingly speed then??

Why don't you go to 72 or even 74 on satnav to compensate for the speedo error you say?

My speedo is 100% accurate, and a tacho calibration every year to make sure it stays that way

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff


"So from most response I guess you're all undertakers and tailgaters?

Another reason why I personally think that the driving test should be compulsory retest every ten years.

So people can relearn how to drive correctly. "

OK, please tell me what I should do then, as this happens - often.

I'm driving in the left hand lane of the M4 perfectly legally at 70mph (I don't go faster). My lane is clear ahead. Ahead of me is a stupid driver in the middle lane doing 60/65mph and not overtaking anything.

I have to either:

1) Slow down, even though the left lane is clear and stay at that speed (I actually have to slow down more than the other car otherwise we'll always be side to side)

2) undertake

3) Slow down, move into the middle lane, then the outside, overtake, then all the way back into the left-hand lane. All because the other driver is doing something that's now illegal. At best a pain in the backside, certainly more risky than just driving on in the left-hand lane.

I don't undertake, but it's difficult not too.

Honestly, middle-lane hoggers should be the main focus of your ire against bad drivers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As far as I am aware, undertaking has never been an illegal manoeuvre."

unless you are in USA

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So from most response I guess you're all undertakers and tailgaters?

Another reason why I personally think that the driving test should be compulsory retest every ten years.

So people can relearn how to drive correctly.

OK, please tell me what I should do then, as this happens - often.

I'm driving in the left hand lane of the M4 perfectly legally at 70mph (I don't go faster). My lane is clear ahead. Ahead of me is a stupid driver in the middle lane doing 60/65mph and not overtaking anything.

I have to either:

1) Slow down, even though the left lane is clear and stay at that speed (I actually have to slow down more than the other car otherwise we'll always be side to side)

2) undertake

3) Slow down, move into the middle lane, then the outside, overtake, then all the way back into the left-hand lane. All because the other driver is doing something that's now illegal. At best a pain in the backside, certainly more risky than just driving on in the left-hand lane.

I don't undertake, but it's difficult not too.

Honestly, middle-lane hoggers should be the main focus of your ire against bad drivers.

"

You have already answered your own question.

You know the correct procedure is to move into lane 3, unless the retard that's doing 65mph is in lane 3, then what you do is completely up to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saying about lane hoggers I was once flashed out the way on a motorway while unknowingly doing 120. I say unknowingly because i wasn't used to the car and the speed it could do. Fucking scared me when I realised the my speed shocked me even more that the guy flew off he must have been going 140

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"So from most response I guess you're all undertakers and tailgaters?

Another reason why I personally think that the driving test should be compulsory retest every ten years.

So people can relearn how to drive correctly.

OK, please tell me what I should do then, as this happens - often.

I'm driving in the left hand lane of the M4 perfectly legally at 70mph (I don't go faster). My lane is clear ahead. Ahead of me is a stupid driver in the middle lane doing 60/65mph and not overtaking anything.

I have to either:

1) Slow down, even though the left lane is clear and stay at that speed (I actually have to slow down more than the other car otherwise we'll always be side to side)

2) undertake

3) Slow down, move into the middle lane, then the outside, overtake, then all the way back into the left-hand lane. All because the other driver is doing something that's now illegal. At best a pain in the backside, certainly more risky than just driving on in the left-hand lane.

I don't undertake, but it's difficult not too.

Honestly, middle-lane hoggers should be the main focus of your ire against bad drivers.

"
carry on in lane one and undertake as long as you do not subsequently move across into lane two other than to overtake a slower vehicle in lane one the police will not presecute especialy if there is faster moving traffic in lane three . they would however stop the middle lane hog

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course everyone is an expert when it comes to driving.

Everyone suffered momentary lapses of concentration,and may well sit in lane 2 for too long. Overtake,pass,move back in and breathe.

You probably didn't indicate on the roundabout or caused someone to brake earlier on....but of course that doesn't count as you own the road and never make mistakes! For goodness sake if that's all people have to worry about....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we was all perfect drivers then there would be no road traffic collisions (RTC'S) Accidents!

Call them what you like, but being on the other end and having to blue light away from a collision due to bad driving is not fun!

I gave up that part of my job!

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"

So you knowingly speed then??

Why don't you go to 72 or even 74 on satnav to compensate for the speedo error you say?

My speedo is 100% accurate, and a tacho calibration every year to make sure it stays that way "

Yep, I knowingly speed and in 30 years of keeping it under 80 and doing about 30'000 private car miles a year I've never been tugged on a motorway so I'm cool with that.

And if your getting tacho calibrated every year your throwing your money away. They get calibrated every 2 years.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"Also my minibus (54reg) hasn't got a limiter either, the fact is we are allwed to drive up to 70mph "

Legally you are limited to 60

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe you should work for the ambulance service.... every year mate.... EVERY year.

Im not going to get into yet another debate this time of night, the main discussion was about lane hogging... let's keep it on track, and a very good night to all.

Stay safe, stay alert, and above all, stay wihin the speed limits.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

The mini bus will be 60 on a dual carriageway and 70 on a motorway unless it's over 12 meters then it's 60 on a motorway too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tailgated by a 30 foot wagon yesterday.. He was about a foot behind me. I was doing 39 on a 40 road!

Arse! When I had to stop at traffic light controlled roundabout I was convinced he hadn't seen the light change!

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"if everyone is undertaking you then you're either middle lane driving or driving too slow in the fast lane"

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

I was told that if you continue in your lane at a consistent speed it isn't undertaking, as you are not using the lane to pass the twat in the middle lane, you are just continuing to drive how you were.

I won't be dicking about at midnight on the M6 just cos other people can't be arsed to stay in the correct lane!

I've nearly had a crash before when the car in front got on the motorway at 40mph and moved straight to the middle lane as I was trying to overtake them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was told that if you continue in your lane at a consistent speed it isn't undertaking, as you are not using the lane to pass the twat in the middle lane, you are just continuing to drive how you were.

I won't be dicking about at midnight on the M6 just cos other people can't be arsed to stay in the correct lane!

I've nearly had a crash before when the car in front got on the motorway at 40mph and moved straight to the middle lane as I was trying to overtake them!"

That's still undertaking.

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains


"I was told that if you continue in your lane at a consistent speed it isn't undertaking, as you are not using the lane to pass the twat in the middle lane, you are just continuing to drive how you were.

I won't be dicking about at midnight on the M6 just cos other people can't be arsed to stay in the correct lane!

I've nearly had a crash before when the car in front got on the motorway at 40mph and moved straight to the middle lane as I was trying to overtake them!

That's still undertaking."

Even if it is, I'm still going to carry on doing it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was told that if you continue in your lane at a consistent speed it isn't undertaking, as you are not using the lane to pass the twat in the middle lane, you are just continuing to drive how you were.

I won't be dicking about at midnight on the M6 just cos other people can't be arsed to stay in the correct lane!

I've nearly had a crash before when the car in front got on the motorway at 40mph and moved straight to the middle lane as I was trying to overtake them!

That's still undertaking.

Even if it is, I'm still going to carry on doing it"

and I hope you get caught doing so, hopefully before you cause a crash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As far as I am aware, undertaking has never been an illegal manoeuvre."

where as being in a lane other than the inside when not overtaking or in a direction change filter lane is illegal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mega ????

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Under taking . ??

.....as in deceased ...???

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

The reality is, legality aside, if your some dipshit sitting in the middle lane on a quiet motorway I'm going to have to make four lane changes to go round you and back in again. And that's cos your too stupid or to selfish to make the one lane change your supposed to.

And if a copper watches me cruise past you on the inside, he is a hell of a lot more likely to have a word with you about your driving than he is with me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm an undertaker it's faster in the inside lane in my opinion because everyone hugs other lanes while looking at fuel consumption

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"And if the person lane hugging is a pregnant woman who pulls left when some one is undertaking can you understand why an innocent child should be killed cuz Someone have a deadline?"

why is the pregnant lady not paying due care and attention by checking the lane that she is going to enter is clear for her to do so?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

also.....the highway code is not law, it is an approved code of practice. you can drive outside of the highway code but you would have to have a very good reason to do so.

trying to be a big man is not really a very good reason.

i always thought that you could pass on the left hand side if you were simply moving with the speed of your lane, what was against the highway code as purposfully moving into the left hand lane to pass someone slower than you in the lane you are currently in?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"

May I ask what speed your driving at then?

I usually tickle along at 80 on the cruise control which is about 76 on the Satnav (speedos are always a bit over) keeping me the right side of attracting the attention of plod.

So you knowingly speed then??

Why don't you go to 72 or even 74 on satnav to compensate for the speedo error you say?

My speedo is 100% accurate, and a tacho calibration every year to make sure it stays that way "

i didnt think any speedo's were 100% accurate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The reality is, legality aside, if your some dipshit sitting in the middle lane on a quiet motorway I'm going to have to make four lane changes to go round you and back in again. And that's cos your too stupid or to selfish to make the one lane change your supposed to.

And if a copper watches me cruise past you on the inside, he is a hell of a lot more likely to have a word with you about your driving than he is with me. "

but you're too exhausted to go to the effort of making an extra lane change?

Middle lane hoggers piss me off too, but some of the excuses for driving like a wanker are pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Middle lane hoggers piss me off too, but some of the excuses for driving like a wanker are pathetic."

But as it is perfectly legal and often recommended by the Police to pass on the inside, but it is not legal to be in the middle or outside lane except when overtaking.

What are you refereing to as wanker level driving?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Middle lane hoggers piss me off too, but some of the excuses for driving like a wanker are pathetic.

But as it is perfectly legal and often recommended by the Police to pass on the inside, but it is not legal to be in the middle or outside lane except when overtaking.

What are you refereing to as wanker level driving?"

It's not 'perfectly legal' and I'd be interested to know where you found any recommendation by the police to do it?

It's acceptable according to the Highway Code in limited circumstances, including where traffic is slow and congested or where people are turning right.

Doing it on a motorway simply because you can't be arsed to move to the outside lane is wanker level driving. It may also be careless and reckless which is illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only overtake a vehicle that is moving slower than me immediately in front of me.. if they are hogging middle lane they are not immediately in front of me so no need to move to an overtaking lane.

I know they are a fuckwit.. let them realise that themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Conjested is the stock descrition for motorways these days, Police or highways agency operate the signs that regularly say stay in lane. wouldn't it be chaos if the inside lanes slowed down to avoid undertaking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Conjested is the stock descrition for motorways these days,"

Can't argue with that.

Using the lane management as justification for the wanker level driving described in earlier threads is a bit of a stretch tho

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I admit as a motorcyclist I am often in an overtaking lane, keeping pace with the traffic in front of me. But I do know I am breaking the law by not pulling over to the inside.

I also split the lanes when traffic is slow, which is tolerated but not actually legal.

but the question asked was since when has undertaking been legal, and that is strange as technically the person undertaking is within the law while the person being undertaken is breaking the law.

bottom line is everyone needs to drive / ride as attentively as possible and take the course of action least likely to require medical assistance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

undertaking as a specific offence was removed from the statute books back in 1972.

It is legal to overtake on the left if

the vehicle in front is turning right and it is safe to do so or if traffic in your lane is moving faster than traffic in the right hand lane..

What your not supposed to do in the latter circumstance is weave however there is a slightly grey area in that if you move back to the left after passing another and then your lane just happens to start moving faster

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By *ushandkittyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"

I also split the lanes when traffic is slow, which is tolerated but not actually legal.

"

Motor cycle filtering while splitting lanes is perfectly legal as long as it's done safely and not breaking any road sign orders e.g. solid white lines or no over taking signs. Give 'motorcycle filtering illegal?' a google for an explanation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I regularly under take the twats who drive in the middle lane of an empty three lane motorway to prove a point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I also split the lanes when traffic is slow, which is tolerated but not actually legal.

Motor cycle filtering while splitting lanes is perfectly legal as long as it's done safely and not breaking any road sign orders e.g. solid white lines or no over taking signs. Give 'motorcycle filtering illegal?' a google for an explanation. "

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or as its otherwise described, making progress with caution through stationary or slow moving traffic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I also split the lanes when traffic is slow, which is tolerated but not actually legal.

Motor cycle filtering while splitting lanes is perfectly legal as long as it's done safely and not breaking any road sign orders e.g. solid white lines or no over taking signs. Give 'motorcycle filtering illegal?' a google for an explanation.

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or as its otherwise described, making progress with caution through stationary or slow moving traffic "

is 65 in a 70mph zone slow moving Yes I stand corrected it is legal to lane split. But that of course backs up that it is legal to undertake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I often flick the v's as I under take too just so they get the point I am trying to make. Not to move in to lane one just that they are shit drivers

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By *olyCheshireCatMan
over a year ago

Cheshire

If you're doing less than the speed limit and there's a lane clear to your left, you're in the wrong lane and I'm undertaking you if i have to.

If we're talking about dickheads in fast cars zipping all over the shop to get ahead though, that is clearly douchebaggery of the highest order.

The reason motorways get snarled up is people don't use them properly and sit in the wrong lane so no one can get past.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"

Using the lane management as justification for the wanker level driving described in earlier threads is a bit of a stretch tho "

No. I don't think it is. I can justify undertaking some idiot (presumably you, from the offence you seem to have taken) by stating that I don't see why I should be making4 lane changes cos your to ignorant to make one (one that your legally obliged to make)

If you have an issue with that, get in the correct bastard lane!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you're doing less than the speed limit and there's a lane clear to your left, you're in the wrong lane and I'm undertaking you if i have to.

If we're talking about dickheads in fast cars zipping all over the shop to get ahead though, that is clearly douchebaggery of the highest order.

The reason motorways get snarled up is people don't use them properly and sit in the wrong lane so no one can get past. "

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"

The reason motorways get snarled up is people don't use them properly and sit in the wrong lane so no one can get past.

"

This is the thing people rarely understand. Poor lane discipline is the reason behind the vast majority of congestion that occurs outside of regular rush hour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The reason motorways get snarled up is people don't use them properly and sit in the wrong lane so no one can get past.

This is the thing people rarely understand. Poor lane discipline is the reason behind the vast majority of congestion that occurs outside of regular rush hour. "

Completely agree, I don't drive as often as I used to but most slow moving traffic is caused by the muppet in the middle lane not paying attention to anyone around them, even more frustrating is when you cannot get around them because everyone behind you is moving into the right hand lane and still the fucktard stays in the middle lane.

As for wanker driving its got to be the golf drivers who think the hard shoulder is theirs to drive in when traffic is slow.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"

The reason motorways get snarled up is people don't use them properly and sit in the wrong lane so no one can get past.

This is the thing people rarely understand. Poor lane discipline is the reason behind the vast majority of congestion that occurs outside of regular rush hour.

Completely agree, I don't drive as often as I used to but most slow moving traffic is caused by the muppet in the middle lane not paying attention to anyone around them, even more frustrating is when you cannot get around them because everyone behind you is moving into the right hand lane and still the fucktard stays in the middle lane.

As for wanker driving its got to be the golf drivers who think the hard shoulder is theirs to drive in when traffic is slow. "

They let you do that on some stretches of motor way. Feels so odd going into it though lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So from most response I guess you're all undertakers and tailgaters?

Another reason why I personally think that the driving test should be compulsory retest every ten years.

So people can relearn how to drive correctly.

OK, please tell me what I should do then, as this happens - often.

I'm driving in the left hand lane of the M4 perfectly legally at 70mph (I don't go faster). My lane is clear ahead. Ahead of me is a stupid driver in the middle lane doing 60/65mph and not overtaking anything.

I have to either:

1) Slow down, even though the left lane is clear and stay at that speed (I actually have to slow down more than the other car otherwise we'll always be side to side)

2) undertake

3) Slow down, move into the middle lane, then the outside, overtake, then all the way back into the left-hand lane. All because the other driver is doing something that's now illegal. At best a pain in the backside, certainly more risky than just driving on in the left-hand lane.

I don't undertake, but it's difficult not too.

Honestly, middle-lane hoggers should be the main focus of your ire against bad drivers.

"

The correct choice is option 3. However if moving into lane 3 could cause a hazard to traffic already in lane 3, option 2 is the better choice. Providing, you plan the manoeuvre carefully and safely, keep as much distance between you as possible, keep within the speed limit, indicate and do all you can to make the other driver aware of your action.

In this instance it's not undertaking, it's passing on the inside.

Do it with care and consideration and all is well. Do it gas mark 12, swinging in and out of lanes and driving with no consideration for others (dangerously) and you'll get the book thrown at you.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating. "

I'd say a lot of people have become more impatient.

Either that I don't know if it's just me but A lot of people just seems to be in a big damn hurry, feels as if most of the roads are treated as if there a racetrack, always one or two EEJITS who are quite happy to weave from one lane to another (racing each other), I mean really, if both your IQ's are that low and I'm assuming there like "my car is faster than yours" (like little kids do).

Yea I was once told "you drive like an old man" by one of my workmates (who was once behind my car when driving home). I said to him "yea, but better safe than sorry".

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff


"It's seems to almost be the norm these days is, dual carriageway, motorway, roundabouts (going rh instead of left or straight on)

Is everyone so impatient these day's that they are willing to endanger their own and other road users lives.

And don't even get me started on tailgating.

I'd say a lot of people have become more impatient.

Either that I don't know if it's just me but A lot of people just seems to be in a big damn hurry, feels as if most of the roads are treated as if there a racetrack, always one or two EEJITS who are quite happy to weave from one lane to another (racing each other), I mean really, if both your IQ's are that low and I'm assuming there like "my car is faster than yours" (like little kids do).

Yea I was once told "you drive like an old man" by one of my workmates (who was once behind my car when driving home). I said to him "yea, but better safe than sorry"."

I think the point a lot of people are making is - people ambling along in the middle lane when they're not overtaking anything think they are driving safely, but they are actually forcing other drivers (who are driving correctly) to make manoeuvres that are actually less safe or forcing them to do something illegal in order to deal with their thoughtlessness.

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By * lick your clitMan
over a year ago

Newcastle upon tyne

I would ban most of the so called drivers off the roads these days they dont even know what a indicator is .....

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I believe that it is completely acceptable to drive in lane one for your entire journey. You should only need to move into lane two to overtake someone in lane one... then return to the normal driving lane.

There is no requirement in law for you to have overtake someone in lane two when you are driving in lane one. In fact, the Highway Code actually states that you can pass vehicles on the left if their lane of traffic is moving slower than your lane, or if they are positioning to turn right.

Oh, and to the OP..... If people are passing you on the left, it usually means that you are in the wrong place.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I admit as a motorcyclist"

That was all you needed to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Using the lane management as justification for the wanker level driving described in earlier threads is a bit of a stretch tho

No. I don't think it is. I can justify undertaking some idiot (presumably you, from the offence you seem to have taken) by stating that I don't see why I should be making4 lane changes cos your to ignorant to make one (one that your legally obliged to make)

If you have an issue with that, get in the correct bastard lane!!!!"

Well let's hope you pay more attention to the road than you do to following a discussion. If you'd been able to concentrate on the words further up you'd have noticed my opinion on middle lane drivers.

Then again if you can't be bothered to move your steering wheel a little for the benefit of ensuring people's safety, I can understand why the very idea of reading online would be tiring for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't quote me but i think you can undertake if: your in a multi lane one way Street, if the lane on your right is queuing or waiting to turn right. If i'm wrong don't say 'officer, blancmange said.. '

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That should say or if the traffic on any road is queuing on your right due to a jam

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't quote me but i think you can undertake if: your in a multi lane one way Street, if the lane on your right is queuing or waiting to turn right. If i'm wrong don't say 'officer, blancmange said.. ' "

This is true.

And if you drive an Audi, a BMW or ride something with two wheels you can do what the fuck you like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That should say or if the traffic on any road is queuing on your right due to a jam or waiting to turn right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't quote me but i think you can undertake if: your in a multi lane one way Street, if the lane on your right is queuing or waiting to turn right. If i'm wrong don't say 'officer, blancmange said.. ' "

Wasn't this discussion about motorways? Funny gow it gets turned around to a full blown argument on basic driving skills... which it seems quite a lot of people lack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't quote me but i think you can undertake if: your in a multi lane one way Street, if the lane on your right is queuing or waiting to turn right. If i'm wrong don't say 'officer, blancmange said.. '

This is true.

And if you drive an Audi, a BMW or ride something with two wheels you can do what the fuck you like "
ive seen the pavement used by cars... Talk about off roaders lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't quote me but i think you can undertake if: your in a multi lane one way Street, if the lane on your right is queuing or waiting to turn right. If i'm wrong don't say 'officer, blancmange said.. '

Wasn't this discussion about motorways? Funny gow it gets turned around to a full blown argument on basic driving skills... which it seems quite a lot of people lack. "
it also applies to motorways

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair there's less pot holes on the pavements

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be fair there's less pot holes on the pavements"
lol true

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

You Have Overtook / overtaken or Passed another Vehicle..

Try and Move the Fook over to the Left hand Lane !!!

Not Sit in the Fucking Middle toddling along at 55/65...

No wonder people Pass on your left..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can anyone who drives early morning between 5 - 6am relate to this.

Driving home this morning I was tooting along at 65-70mph (trying to beat my 48mpg hi score) in the left lane.

I was undertaken...yup that means the hard shoulder. Further down, undertaken yet again at a roundabout at my junction.

Seems people think it's more acceptable when the roads are quiet to make stupid moves.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I believe that it is completely acceptable to drive in lane one for your entire journey. You should only need to move into lane two to overtake someone in lane one... then return to the normal driving lane.

There is no requirement in law for you to have overtake someone in lane two when you are driving in lane one. In fact, the Highway Code actually states that you can pass vehicles on the left if their lane of traffic is moving slower than your lane, or if they are positioning to turn right.

Oh, and to the OP..... If people are passing you on the left, it usually means that you are in the wrong place.

Cal"

Jesus Christ on a bike.

Does anyone actually read what people type?

Ok for the fuckwits among you who assume that I do nothing but sit in middle Lane.

Obviously you are even more clueless at Reading than you are driving.

Suffice to say that I bow down to all your obviously superior driving skills and experience, because when I was taught to drive undertaking was considered a dangerous manoeuvre.

I am not talking about a 3/4 Lane busy motorway in rush hour going with the flow of traffic undertake.

I was referring to the ridiculous assholes who think weaving in and out of traffic is acceptable because the 50 plus vehicles in front of them are clearly driving slowly on purpose just to piss them off.

Or the assholes who fail to recognise that when approaching a motorway junction if it's safe to do so it's considered good practice in move into the middle Lane to allow vehicles merging with the motorway safe access onto said road.

But no some Fucktatds think that it's ok to undertake lorries, cars vans etc at this point.

Really I guess my 30year's of driving experience without a single point or accident is all down to me driving incorrectly.

People realise that you are not the only fucking person on the road and you have responsibility to drive with due care and attention, that means not using your car as a weapon just because there is a car in front of you.

I drive about 70K a year and have done for year's.

On a daily basis I see the most awful bad, irresponsible, dangerous idiotic driving.

As I am certain we all do.

But just because one asshole thinks it's ok to drive that way it doesn't mean it's okay.

I am off to cool down and enjoy my up and coming forum ban.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've been working too long today, as I was expecting to read about a solicitors undertaking.

When the hard shoulder is allowed as a lane to go off at a junction - can you undertake then?

Don't Audi drivers always tailgate? (

Sarah "

Yes, it helps keep the emissions down!

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By *ames WhyteMan
over a year ago

Near Manchester Airport

Suggest you all sign up for an Institute of Advanced Motoring course. Watch your yearly premiums plummet and those for other insurance and yor relatives too.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"Suggest you all sign up for an Institute of Advanced Motoring course. Watch your yearly premiums plummet and those for other insurance and yor relatives too."

Crap course, no heel-toeing or left foot braking

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood


"

I think the point a lot of people are making is - people ambling along in the middle lane when they're not overtaking anything think they are driving safely, but they are actually forcing other drivers (who are driving correctly) to make manoeuvres that are actually less safe or forcing them to do something illegal in order to deal with their

thoughtlessness."

I'm not the middle lane hogger, yes, I do sit in the inside lane sitting at a nice 55-60mph (good fuel consumption speed) and goodness knows how many people have overtaken me.

Yea, there are a lot of drivers who really do have a death wish, and plenty on the motorway that lane weave, not indicating etc.

Ok no-one's perfect driver, but I always aim to get to my destination still alive.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Maybe the whole concept of personal transport should be turned on it's head.

Tbh, it's all pretty crazy anyway.

We get in these metal and plastic boxes and travel along 20 foot (or whatever) roadways in opposite directions passing within a few feet of each other at speeds of 30-60 mph. Lose concentration and you will hit the opposing vehicle at a closing speed of 60-120 mph. We try to get round this by making vehicles safer in collisions, which if you've ever been in a collision over 60 mph, you will know as a 'crock of shit'.

Anyway, that's the preamble. Knowing what we know now, would it not have been better to make all roads one-way?

They did it in London. It could work.

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