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Budget - what did we all think?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The sugar tax seems to be what they're all talking about.

24p-a-litre tax on drinks such a Coke, Iron Bru and Ribena that contain the highest sugar. Tonic water and lower sugar fizzy drinks such as Fanta will face an 18p a litre rate when the tax comes into force in two years time.

The new tax will raise around £500 million that will go towards investment in school sports.

But on the back of that, the deficit has not decreased as much as they thought, so there will be even more cuts to public funding ! 12 million to crackdown on companies and individuals avoiding tax.

Sarah

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

They will just pass it on to us the extra cost,Or it will be like alcohol in supermarkets a lost leader

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If im honest.. i think it could have been worse.. compared to many countries im Rich.. i have shelter, my family are well.

Even if the GOV stripped me of £500 a month im sure id still survive.

I think we often take things for granted. Im on benefits at the moment and amazingly grateful to live in a country that offers support.

Yes they have cut ESA and PIP.. but i still have money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was interested in the cut to business rates/lifting businesses out of business rates. We're moving towards a system where councils are entirely funded by council tax and rates, with the abolition of the revenue support grant...so what are the implications for council budgets? Seems like it could be a handy way of shunting the problem into someone else's budget, as happened with reform to council tax benefit and funding for concessionary travel.

I don't actually know the answer to this yet, but it raised a couple of little red flags.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was interested in the cut to business rates/lifting businesses out of business rates. We're moving towards a system where councils are entirely funded by council tax and rates, with the abolition of the revenue support grant...so what are the implications for council budgets? Seems like it could be a handy way of shunting the problem into someone else's budget, as happened with reform to council tax benefit and funding for concessionary travel.

I don't actually know the answer to this yet, but it raised a couple of little red flags. "

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys


"If im honest.. i think it could have been worse.. compared to many countries im Rich.. i have shelter, my family are well.

Even if the GOV stripped me of £500 a month im sure id still survive.

I think we often take things for granted. Im on benefits at the moment and amazingly grateful to live in a country that offers support.

Yes they have cut ESA and PIP.. but i still have money.

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Would be nice to get £500 a month

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I was interested in the cut to business rates/lifting businesses out of business rates. We're moving towards a system where councils are entirely funded by council tax and rates, with the abolition of the revenue support grant...so what are the implications for council budgets? Seems like it could be a handy way of shunting the problem into someone else's budget, as happened with reform to council tax benefit and funding for concessionary travel.

I don't actually know the answer to this yet, but it raised a couple of little red flags. "

Does that mean our council tax and rates will probably increase? Or they'll cut their services even more.

I get really frustrated with my Local Authority as they seem to cut essential services and then spend money on ridiculous things!

Sarah

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood


"If im honest.. i think it could have been worse.. compared to many countries im Rich.. i have shelter, my family are well.

Even if the GOV stripped me of £500 a month im sure id still survive.

I think we often take things for granted. Im on benefits at the moment and amazingly grateful to live in a country that offers support.

Yes they have cut ESA and PIP.. but i still have money.

Would be nice to get £500 a month"

£500. If I was to work just my basic 20hrs a week, the £500 is like around 70% my wage income.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever we will say, they will do what they want anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was interested in the cut to business rates/lifting businesses out of business rates. We're moving towards a system where councils are entirely funded by council tax and rates, with the abolition of the revenue support grant...so what are the implications for council budgets? Seems like it could be a handy way of shunting the problem into someone else's budget, as happened with reform to council tax benefit and funding for concessionary travel.

I don't actually know the answer to this yet, but it raised a couple of little red flags.

Does that mean our council tax and rates will probably increase? Or they'll cut their services even more.

I get really frustrated with my Local Authority as they seem to cut essential services and then spend money on ridiculous things!

Sarah "

CT will increase, to a point. There are still limits on how much it can be raised by, but councils which provide social care services are now allowed to increase it by an extra 2% specifically to fund social care. The average increase this year is about 3.1% but that does come after a good 5 or 6 years of increases well below inflation. I'm not entirely sure on the rates side of it, as valuations are still currently a national system so there's a limit to how much councils can do with it.

Unless your council is in an area with a strong CT base (lots of high value properties, few students or deprived households) and strong economic growth (i.e. the Southeast) then expect more cuts to services. A LOT more cuts to services.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood


"Whatever we will say, they will do what they want anyway "

Yup, another load of lies from them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm bored with the budget already nothing was gained by it. The tax on sugar drinks isn't in anyway a form of making people think twice about kids drinking it its just a way of making more money like how the always raise duty on tobacco they know too well that people won't stop.

As for the statement on education by academy stat using all schools is just a way of privatising state schools, it will not help the future kids if anything it'll hinder education as will extending hours teachers already work more than people think they do, they tend to start work early mornings do their days teaching, spend a few hours with detentions and meetings then after commuting home spend most of the night marking papers. Now imagine if their working day went till 6pm I know if never see my OH as she'll be working all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm bored with the budget already nothing was gained by it. The tax on sugar drinks isn't in anyway a form of making people think twice about kids drinking it its just a way of making more money like how the always raise duty on tobacco they know too well that people won't stop.

As for the statement on education by academy stat using all schools is just a way of privatising state schools, it will not help the future kids if anything it'll hinder education as will extending hours teachers already work more than people think they do, they tend to start work early mornings do their days teaching, spend a few hours with detentions and meetings then after commuting home spend most of the night marking papers. Now imagine if their working day went till 6pm I know if never see my OH as she'll be working all the time. "

Think I'll get my OH a job as a teacher

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

I don't think the sugar tax will be all that effective as people may just switch to cheaper brands or bulk buy to save the cash.

I think there will be a reduction in the amount of high sugar drinks sold as more people go sugar free for health reasons though.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"If im honest.. i think it could have been worse.. compared to many countries im Rich.. i have shelter, my family are well.

Even if the GOV stripped me of £500 a month im sure id still survive.

I think we often take things for granted. Im on benefits at the moment and amazingly grateful to live in a country that offers support.

Yes they have cut ESA and PIP.. but i still have money.

Would be nice to get £500 a month"

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

What I really hate is when something that requires spare disposable income is being sold to us as being for the benefit of all, especially the low paid ......who have no disposable income.

If it was sold to us as a tax free government boosted bonus for those with spare income, then at least there would be some kind of credibility for telling the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm hoping it has helped us in regard to being a (very) small business

Sugar tax is nonsense....i remember when I had a shop that Marlborough cigarettes went up to £4.97.... There was uproar....how much are they now? Double? People smoke regardless of how much it costs, just like they'll buy pop.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Big news that no one seems to be talking about...

Rich Tax (also know as capital gains tax) down from 28% to 20%. that's a cut of nearly a third. Funny how the bullingdon boy is able to find big tax breaks for their rich chums while austerity cuts are the order of the day for the poorest in society...

Think we may soon need a guillotine in parliament square to sort this lot of *** out!

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

it's just the usual annual tinkering around with different methods of robbing peter to pay paul. there'll be no discernable difference to life as we know it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

i usually wait till the IFS have crunched the numbers but the sugar tax just looks like a distraction from the failure again by Osborne to meet any of his targets and what he said last time..

he has failed time and time again in what he has said he will do about the defecit/national debt and his latest gamble that all the chickens will come home to roost and lay golden eggs in 2020 lack credibility..

more about our Dave backing him against Boris for the tory leadership..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think as usual after these events once the news pundits finish sucking on the bones of the headlines and the opposition parties spit-out that last gob-full of poisonous bile too underline the pent up furry at their own parties inability to offer a creatable alternative fiscal plan the dust will settle and the fine print will unravel leaving a clearer picture of what's actually been accomplished and what impact that will have on society and the finances of the country will emerge,,,,

But until that time arrives people will just spout their well intended but mostly irrelevant bluster trying to sound like they immediately understand the implication of all the changes,,,

But hey,,,,,, we've all allowed an opinion ......

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By *reedy_for_funCouple
over a year ago

My House

George Osborne is a drug fuelled, prostitute using (factually true, google is your friend!), elitist, corrupt and a dolt (he does have an IQ just under average). His father -in-law is a high ranking lobbyist for the oil industry with major, personal investments in the fracking industry, so I wonder why he's so soft on the oil trade with lots of tax breaks? Is anyone who voted Tory surprised by the tone or direction of this govt? After all the years of Maggie, and the way she sold this country to the highest bidder, are you really surprised that her disciple Cameron is the same? You've got what you voted for. Shame on you.

In 10 years time when you don't have a nhs, good education is a privilege and not a right, when water and electricity are in short supply (if you're still alive due to the war we will wage upon evil dictators or religion in the name of democracy etc) then maybe you'll understand that the EU was your best option, Boris Johnson really is a complete moron and that capitalism is nothing more than another name for serfdom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever.

prices rise.

Always have.

I don't care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"George Osborne is a drug fuelled, prostitute using (factually true, google is your friend!), elitist, corrupt and a dolt (he does have an IQ just under average). His father -in-law is a high ranking lobbyist for the oil industry with major, personal investments in the fracking industry, so I wonder why he's so soft on the oil trade with lots of tax breaks? Is anyone who voted Tory surprised by the tone or direction of this govt? After all the years of Maggie, and the way she sold this country to the highest bidder, are you really surprised that her disciple Cameron is the same? You've got what you voted for. Shame on you.

In 10 years time when you don't have a nhs, good education is a privilege and not a right, when water and electricity are in short supply (if you're still alive due to the war we will wage upon evil dictators or religion in the name of democracy etc) then maybe you'll understand that the EU was your best option, Boris Johnson really is a complete moron and that capitalism is nothing more than another name for serfdom. "

And breath,,,,,,

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"The sugar tax seems to be what they're all talking about.

24p-a-litre tax on drinks such a Coke, Iron Bru and Ribena that contain the highest sugar. Tonic water and lower sugar fizzy drinks such as Fanta will face an 18p a litre rate when the tax comes into force in two years time.

The new tax will raise around £500 million that will go towards investment in school sports.

But on the back of that, the deficit has not decreased as much as they thought, so there will be even more cuts to public funding ! 12 million to crackdown on companies and individuals avoiding tax.

Sarah "

people will still drink fizzy drinks.... they will just switch from those that use sugar to sweetners...

so instead of regular or pepsi.... people will just drink zero or pepsi max instead..... or diet and diet pepsi....

people are going to get caught out because they think it is only going to apply to fizzy drinks.... when as you have said ribena is going to be covered (i love the stuff).... how many of us have had lets say robinsons squash.. or robinsons barley water! that is going to be covered

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By *olyCheshireCatMan
over a year ago

Cheshire


"it's just the usual annual tinkering around with different methods of robbing peter to pay paul. there'll be no discernable difference to life as we know it."

Unless you're poor or disabled, then you're the peter of this equation of course. Or if you value your children's education, because they just anounced they're going to privatise the entire school system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Budget comes down to this- mate of a high level tory? = youre fine.

Everyone else = youre fucked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Budget comes down to this- mate of a high level tory? = youre fine.

Everyone else = youre fucked. "

Or a high level 'Labour'

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"it's just the usual annual tinkering around with different methods of robbing peter to pay paul. there'll be no discernable difference to life as we know it.

Unless you're poor or disabled, then you're the peter of this equation of course. Or if you value your children's education, because they just anounced they're going to privatise the entire school system."

Do you think Academies will be worse? Most schools here are already academies.

Sarah

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

The Tories know most low wage people don't support them so they're focused very much on middle earners and pensioners to secure votes.

For political strategy it's sound, for morality it stinks.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"George Osborne is a drug fuelled, prostitute using (factually true, google is your friend!), elitist, corrupt and a dolt (he does have an IQ just under average). His father -in-law is a high ranking lobbyist for the oil industry with major, personal investments in the fracking industry, so I wonder why he's so soft on the oil trade with lots of tax breaks? Is anyone who voted Tory surprised by the tone or direction of this govt? After all the years of Maggie, and the way she sold this country to the highest bidder, are you really surprised that her disciple Cameron is the same? You've got what you voted for. Shame on you.

In 10 years time when you don't have a nhs, good education is a privilege and not a right, when water and electricity are in short supply (if you're still alive due to the war we will wage upon evil dictators or religion in the name of democracy etc) then maybe you'll understand that the EU was your best option, Boris Johnson really is a complete moron and that capitalism is nothing more than another name for serfdom. "

I think less people voted for Cameron than for the others in total. it's just the way our mad voting system works.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As Christos said , prices go up , taxes increase , shit happens .

I don't care either .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Big news that no one seems to be talking about...

Rich Tax (also know as capital gains tax) down from 28% to 20%. that's a cut of nearly a third. Funny how the bullingdon boy is able to find big tax breaks for their rich chums while austerity cuts are the order of the day for the poorest in society...

Think we may soon need a guillotine in parliament square to sort this lot of *** out! "

Quoting this for the guillotine. People seem to have forgotten we have this option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Tories know most low wage people don't support them so they're focused very much on middle earners and pensioners to secure votes.

For political strategy it's sound, for morality it stinks. "

IDS said this in an interview, he admitted the low paid don't like the Tories and mentioned whatever they do will be unpopular with them.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I think less people voted for Cameron than for the others in total. it's just the way our mad voting system works.

Sarah "

Roughly one third of people who voted, voted Conservative.

Less than a quarter of all people eligible to vote voted Conservative.

The vast majority of us did NOT get what we voted for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Osbourne is a numpty at best!.

The only thing he's good at being economical with is the truth

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The chancellor has completely missed every single deficit target for years - is it 4 or 5 years he's had the job? So assume this budget and forecast is as accurate and reliable as all the others.

I would have been sacked long, long ago, in a real job, for equivalent incompetence.

The conservative party will deliver the catastrophe much later. They need to keep voters sweet for the early summer local elections and European referendum. They may shovel some shite on the disabled, but primarily not onto core tory voters, as they largely don't care about the vulnerable etc.

Sugar tax is a good movie in the right direction. It probably should have an equivalent food one too.

At least it's boom time for the core minority, due to the huge growth in the gap between the rich and the poorer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Osborne have got lots of criticism about picking on the disabled and I agree, its not good to target them.

Question time is on about it too now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although its good they introduced the sugar tax, which will benefit many.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking forward to Osbourne's premiership.

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Lets Have an MP Tax..

If your Wiling to be an MP..

Then you should have to pay more..

Working for the People - Just an Idea..

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Big news that no one seems to be talking about...

Rich Tax (also know as capital gains tax) down from 28% to 20%. that's a cut of nearly a third. Funny how the bullingdon boy is able to find big tax breaks for their rich chums while austerity cuts are the order of the day for the poorest in society...

Think we may soon need a guillotine in parliament square to sort this lot of *** out! "
. Capital gains tax can hardly be considered to be a rich tax . Many people will have built up assets over their lifetime . I can see little evidence of any austerity cuts for the so called poor . It does of course depend on your definition of poor .

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston


"Capital gains tax can hardly be considered to be a rich tax . Many people will have built up assets over their lifetime . I can see little evidence of any austerity cuts for the so called poor . It does of course depend on your definition of poor ."

Really?

Not a rich tax?

The tax that is only paid by the top 5% of earners in the country. So which are you one of those 5% or a working class tory who knows your place, how to bow and tug your forelock when your betters pass by?

I guess you think taking £30 a week+ from someone who has a long term illness or disability that stops them working is OK. I bet you think living on £73.10 a week for a single person over 25 and £114.85 for a couple does not qualify as being poor.

I really hope that in the not too distant future you find yourself at the bottom of the pile so you can gain a little perspective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Although its good they introduced the sugar tax, which will benefit many."

Sugar tax will cost about as much to collect as it receives, so is bad business. if they are serious, then just ban more than x% sugar content per 100gm and or ml.

What is more puzzling is the spend now, cut in the last year before the next election. If I was a cynic I may think they are planning to hand over to Labour with a record breaking deficit.

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By *jj46Man
over a year ago

rhyl

No comment but will say we get screwed every year what they seem to give us they take off us and we don't gain so they grease you up pull your kecks and leave you to be shafted in the street

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By *ot so innocent nowCouple
over a year ago

Chorley

I have a friend who works but her income is topped up by family/working tax credits if she were to lose even £100 a month from her income due to changes in her benefit payments she would not be able to feed herself or her daughter, they more or less live hand to mouth each month.

For someone to say they could afford to lose payments of £500 per month just fuels the idea that government paid benefits (disability/tax credits etc) are at excessive levels when for most people who have to claim them are just making ends meet.

Through what I do for a living I come across people from all walks of life and from my perspective there are more people out there genuinely struggling, than there are living the life of Riley on the taxpayer.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"I have a friend who works but her income is topped up by family/working tax credits if she were to lose even £100 a month from her income due to changes in her benefit payments she would not be able to feed herself or her daughter, they more or less live hand to mouth each month.

For someone to say they could afford to lose payments of £500 per month just fuels the idea that government paid benefits (disability/tax credits etc) are at excessive levels when for most people who have to claim them are just making ends meet.

Through what I do for a living I come across people from all walks of life and from my perspective there are more people out there genuinely struggling, than there are living the life of Riley on the taxpayer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Lets Have an MP Tax..

If your Wiling to be an MP..

Then you should have to pay more..

Working for the People - Just an Idea.. "

I know you're joking, well seems you are, but it makes sense that if you want to represent people then you go out and experience their lives.

there should be some kind of training, that takes several years, where you live on a rough housing estate, spend at least a year applying for jobs as a disabled person (and live off the benefits/top ups paid to them, but also with the expenses of that as well), and then when you have actual life experience of being all the people you're representing ...in the least way possible. then you're qualified.

do this stuff as a man, woman, as fucking everything. take a few years doing it and on minimum wage or training scheme wage of nothing but JSA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With this sugar tax I wish they would even things out and put tax on all the shit food and make fresh meat cheaper. Like you can buy a 12 inch pizza in Iceland for a pound and a bag of chips for £1.50 and make pizza and chips but if you wanted to buy minced beef the lean less than 5% fat stuff you pay like 3 quid for 250grams then you'd buy the onions the tinned tomatoes the basil the red wine, the mushrooms etc.

If fresh meats and fruits and vegetables were cheaper or cost the same as processed food we would be a much fitter and slimmer nation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Although its good they introduced the sugar tax, which will benefit many.

Sugar tax will cost about as much to collect as it receives, so is bad business. if they are serious, then just ban more than x% sugar content per 100gm and or ml.

What is more puzzling is the spend now, cut in the last year before the next election. If I was a cynic I may think they are planning to hand over to Labour with a record breaking deficit. "
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Controlling stuff through regulation! .... It's a novel concept but it will never catch on!.

Osbourne doesn't seem to be able to grasp that were a debt based economy, 10 billon a month and growing.

The important thing is how you spend that debt!.

This isn't pie in the sky, FDR in the thirties proved you can spend big and run up big debts that later give you returns on that debt while providing real jobs and real change

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This isn't pie in the sky, FDR in the thirties proved you can spend big and run up big debts that later give you returns on that debt while providing real jobs and real change"

Yes but not before the next election... biggest problem with all the government's we have is that they want to achieve things that are short term, so they get credit for it every 5 years, it's the share holder pleasing mentality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This isn't pie in the sky, FDR in the thirties proved you can spend big and run up big debts that later give you returns on that debt while providing real jobs and real change

Yes but not before the next election... biggest problem with all the government's we have is that they want to achieve things that are short term, so they get credit for it every 5 years, it's the share holder pleasing mentality. "
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I understand that but I'm not a massive beliver in this short term election theory, I mean you get 5 years to improve things just a little bit and that's enough to get the public to reelect you (most people stay with the incumbent unless it's totally fucked), so when you get reelected you've now had 10 years for your long term aims to come through, I mean that's quite a bit of time, if you'd actually put in long term plans some should be coming through by then!.... Of course in most cases that's obvious, for instance anybody of a certain age will remember just what an appalling condition schools were in pre 97, now labour for all their rights or wrongs put in massive capitol into schools, anybody that's put kids through schools in the last ten years will testify if there honest, just how much better schools are today in terms of infrastructure and equipment..... Most of the public never remember the successors just the failures.

A good politican needs to be in reality a bit bloody minded, it helps them stick to their original plans without getting side tracked by undue influence.

However this usually makes them very dogmatic over longer periods as they get illusions of grandeur.

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Anyhow this isn't applicable to Osbourne as he's just a dick from the outset

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Capital gains tax can hardly be considered to be a rich tax . Many people will have built up assets over their lifetime . I can see little evidence of any austerity cuts for the so called poor . It does of course depend on your definition of poor .

Really?

Not a rich tax?

The tax that is only paid by the top 5% of earners in the country. So which are you one of those 5% or a working class tory who knows your place, how to bow and tug your forelock when your betters pass by?

I guess you think taking £30 a week+ from someone who has a long term illness or disability that stops them working is OK. I bet you think living on £73.10 a week for a single person over 25 and £114.85 for a couple does not qualify as being poor.

I really hope that in the not too distant future you find yourself at the bottom of the pile so you can gain a little perspective."
. I think that I already have that perspective as I already provide assistance to someone who is mentally disabled . It is of course very easy to be generous with other people's money . My definition of being poor is being unable to feed yourself . People should not be using the disabled to attempt to score political points .

All political parties assist them , it is not unique to one party .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Capital gains tax can hardly be considered to be a rich tax . Many people will have built up assets over their lifetime . I can see little evidence of any austerity cuts for the so called poor . It does of course depend on your definition of poor .

Really?

Not a rich tax?

The tax that is only paid by the top 5% of earners in the country. So which are you one of those 5% or a working class tory who knows your place, how to bow and tug your forelock when your betters pass by?

I guess you think taking £30 a week+ from someone who has a long term illness or disability that stops them working is OK. I bet you think living on £73.10 a week for a single person over 25 and £114.85 for a couple does not qualify as being poor.

I really hope that in the not too distant future you find yourself at the bottom of the pile so you can gain a little perspective.. I think that I already have that perspective as I already provide assistance to someone who is mentally disabled . It is of course very easy to be generous with other people's money . My definition of being poor is being unable to feed yourself . People should not be using the disabled to attempt to score political points .

All political parties assist them , it is not unique to one party . "
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Can I just ask pat, do you still take a stage coach and send telegrams, do you apply leeches for blood letting during headaches, do you perhaps live in a house without heating, carpets, inside toilet, no TV or mobile phone?.

I only ask, as the that definition of poor went out with workhouses and mill owners!

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Capital gains tax can hardly be considered to be a rich tax . Many people will have built up assets over their lifetime . I can see little evidence of any austerity cuts for the so called poor . It does of course depend on your definition of poor .

Really?

Not a rich tax?

The tax that is only paid by the top 5% of earners in the country. So which are you one of those 5% or a working class tory who knows your place, how to bow and tug your forelock when your betters pass by?

I guess you think taking £30 a week+ from someone who has a long term illness or disability that stops them working is OK. I bet you think living on £73.10 a week for a single person over 25 and £114.85 for a couple does not qualify as being poor.

I really hope that in the not too distant future you find yourself at the bottom of the pile so you can gain a little perspective.. I think that I already have that perspective as I already provide assistance to someone who is mentally disabled . It is of course very easy to be generous with other people's money . My definition of being poor is being unable to feed yourself . People should not be using the disabled to attempt to score political points .

All political parties assist them , it is not unique to one party . .

Can I just ask pat, do you still take a stage coach and send telegrams, do you apply leeches for blood letting during headaches, do you perhaps live in a house without heating, carpets, inside toilet, no TV or mobile phone?.

I only ask, as the that definition of poor went out with workhouses and mill owners!"

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Capital gains tax can hardly be considered to be a rich tax . Many people will have built up assets over their lifetime . I can see little evidence of any austerity cuts for the so called poor . It does of course depend on your definition of poor .

Really?

Not a rich tax?

The tax that is only paid by the top 5% of earners in the country. So which are you one of those 5% or a working class tory who knows your place, how to bow and tug your forelock when your betters pass by?

I guess you think taking £30 a week+ from someone who has a long term illness or disability that stops them working is OK. I bet you think living on £73.10 a week for a single person over 25 and £114.85 for a couple does not qualify as being poor.

I really hope that in the not too distant future you find yourself at the bottom of the pile so you can gain a little perspective.. I think that I already have that perspective as I already provide assistance to someone who is mentally disabled . It is of course very easy to be generous with other people's money . My definition of being poor is being unable to feed yourself . People should not be using the disabled to attempt to score political points .

All political parties assist them , it is not unique to one party . .

Can I just ask pat, do you still take a stage coach and send telegrams, do you apply leeches for blood letting during headaches, do you perhaps live in a house without heating, carpets, inside toilet, no TV or mobile phone?.

I only ask, as the that definition of poor went out with workhouses and mill owners!"
. Hi. The single person will have £40 for food £5 for clothes , £10 for heat and light , £5 for phone , £5 for travel and £7 for general. We can hardly expect the tax payer to subsidise everyone .

Everything you have in life has to be earned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it's over £5 a day to travel to the nearest cities round here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Capital gains tax can hardly be considered to be a rich tax . Many people will have built up assets over their lifetime . I can see little evidence of any austerity cuts for the so called poor . It does of course depend on your definition of poor .

Really?

Not a rich tax?

The tax that is only paid by the top 5% of earners in the country. So which are you one of those 5% or a working class tory who knows your place, how to bow and tug your forelock when your betters pass by?

I guess you think taking £30 a week+ from someone who has a long term illness or disability that stops them working is OK. I bet you think living on £73.10 a week for a single person over 25 and £114.85 for a couple does not qualify as being poor.

I really hope that in the not too distant future you find yourself at the bottom of the pile so you can gain a little perspective.. I think that I already have that perspective as I already provide assistance to someone who is mentally disabled . It is of course very easy to be generous with other people's money . My definition of being poor is being unable to feed yourself . People should not be using the disabled to attempt to score political points .

All political parties assist them , it is not unique to one party . .

Can I just ask pat, do you still take a stage coach and send telegrams, do you apply leeches for blood letting during headaches, do you perhaps live in a house without heating, carpets, inside toilet, no TV or mobile phone?.

I only ask, as the that definition of poor went out with workhouses and mill owners!. Hi. The single person will have £40 for food £5 for clothes , £10 for heat and light , £5 for phone , £5 for travel and £7 for general. We can hardly expect the tax payer to subsidise everyone .

Everything you have in life has to be earned. "
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I'm not debating the monetary value, I was asking about your personal perception of poor, I thought I read you say, you class poor people only if they had enough money to eat, everything else was a luxury?.

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What I saying is that was true over a hundred years ago but even by the mid 20th century this idea was old fashioned, I mean we brought in the right to health care, housing, by 1946, even pensions were brought in a hundred years ago!.

So I'd have guessed by the 21st century tv and phones and clothes and such would no longer be considered luxury items?..

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

There is a wonderful article in the Independent on line that sums up Osburne, his budget and whole ethos. It would be extremely funny if it were not true. Have a read people!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/thank-god-our-schools-have-finally-been-set-free-by-our-national-free-spirit-george-osborne-a6937016.html

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I don't agree with the premise that the top earners will gain through capital gains tax etc and some of disabled will have their pip benefits reduced. It hardly matters that the overall budget will increase just becaus some of the most vulnerable will lose out. That is not right. Taking money away from the disabled whilst the well off get more money. It's morally wrong.

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By *ot so innocent nowCouple
over a year ago

Chorley


"I don't agree with the premise that the top earners will gain through capital gains tax etc and some of disabled will have their pip benefits reduced. It hardly matters that the overall budget will increase just becaus some of the most vulnerable will lose out. That is not right. Taking money away from the disabled whilst the well off get more money. It's morally wrong. "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I don't agree with the premise that the top earners will gain through capital gains tax etc and some of disabled will have their pip benefits reduced. It hardly matters that the overall budget will increase just becaus some of the most vulnerable will lose out. That is not right. Taking money away from the disabled whilst the well off get more money. It's morally wrong. "

this, its odious and a vile use of power on those who deserve to be helped by the state not shafted..

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..


"I don't agree with the premise that the top earners will gain through capital gains tax etc and some of disabled will have their pip benefits reduced. It hardly matters that the overall budget will increase just becaus some of the most vulnerable will lose out. That is not right. Taking money away from the disabled whilst the well off get more money. It's morally wrong. "

Tell That To The People..

and they wont Believe you..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A zero sum game. As ever tinkering at the margins.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ian Duncan smith have quit his position, even he thinks what osborn are doing against the disabled is wrong. Its a big shock in the party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

a bet there is a sex scandle and a lucritive book deal involved

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By *olyCheshireCatMan
over a year ago

Cheshire


"it's just the usual annual tinkering around with different methods of robbing peter to pay paul. there'll be no discernable difference to life as we know it.

Unless you're poor or disabled, then you're the peter of this equation of course. Or if you value your children's education, because they just anounced they're going to privatise the entire school system.

Do you think Academies will be worse? Most schools here are already academies.

Sarah "

They don't even have to employ qualified teachers. Let that sink in a minute.

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