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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What size constitutes a "good sized" bubble butt?

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

You have manboobs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What size constitutes a "good sized" bubble butt?"

I'd say for me it would be a couple of handfuls per cheek at minimum.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You have manboobs

It's the angle of the photo

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Dave Allen used to say "And may your god go with you" at the end of his shows

I'm agnostic by the way, and I like bewbies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you can believe in a 'God' that is fine with allowing kids to have cancer then you're an idiot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With you on the Butt issue. I steer clear of the God thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If you can believe in a 'God' that is fine with allowing kids to have cancer then you're an idiot. "

When I bring that type of thing up with them they usually come back with "We are victims of circumstance". Doesn't make sense...God can do anything...including correcting bad circumstances, but he chooses not to...but he's a God of love..If I had infinite power and was made of love and sprinkles, no-one would suffer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?"

Some do some don't. Depends on the person..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?

Some do some don't. Depends on the person.."

Oh. Ok then.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

And why is He a he?

Not that I'm implying it might be a patriarchal construct or owt.

If He can make worlds He's probably a fantastic shag though.

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By *44bertCouple
over a year ago

Inverness

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?"

Epicurus

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

I have a fat arse if that is any good to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For some, worshipping a God or having a belief brings them comfort. That's their choice and I kind of get it.

Sarah

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Yep. I envy that part.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?"

Beats me to. Maybe they think that clever, logical argument will destroy faith and belief. Personally, if I wanted to destroy the power of faith and belief I would set out to prove the existence of a god, not disprove it. Hard, irrefutable proof of the existence of a god would completely destroy any faith or belief. But I guess they just won't understand that either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You have manboobs

It's the angle of the photo

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a training bra is needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have religion and god, and it has brought me relaxation and comfort in difficult times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For some, worshipping a God or having a belief brings them comfort. That's their choice and I kind of get it.

Sarah "

Yes , and I get that too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have a fat arse if that is any good to you

That is perfect for me

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By *jj46Man
over a year ago

rhyl

Check out George carlings take on god amusing plus I hide every Saturday when the Mormons come knockings. Usually it's 3 girls 2 Asian and a french African girl pretty attractive invited them in the wanted to talk about God and jesus but me and my perverted mind has other ideas im my imagination .but serious note im Catholic but for all the shit going on in the world and coruption does he exist and ive read some bizzare stories on the subject.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

""Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?"

Epicurus "

Interesting and tremendous quote : ) That pretty much sums up the contradictions etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

god/religion is like sexual orientation, some will embrace you and accept it, some will spit, want to argue with the rights and wrongs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For some, worshipping a God or having a belief brings them comfort. That's their choice and I kind of get it.

Sarah "

Yes definitely, that's part of it and is understandable. I heard a theory that it's also like a way to deal with the fear of dying because it gives comfort to think that we survive our own deaths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a non believer

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?

I think some understand that. That's one of the premises of the scientific process. If they have a theory they then have to try to disprove it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a non believer

what about the gods of haribo

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By *jj46Man
over a year ago

rhyl

"god/religion is like sexual orientation, some will embrace you and accept it, some will spit, want to argue with the rights and wrongs.

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ive been forced into conversation with Mormons maybe the fact that they look attractive asking me to be baptised. I checked them out I have to give up sex drinking give half my wages and walking round with a white garment which is almost like a chastity belt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?"
Is that so? every so often you get them religious groups coming up to you when waiting for the bus and if you say you dont believe, they will keep going on and on, so who needs to justify its existent of religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts. "

I'll be honest as attacks on religion go that's pretty feeble.

And as an aethiest my hear doesn't sink when I discover someone is religious it makes no odds to me. However their are character traits that do make my heart sink snd on occasion religion seems to exacerbate those.

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By *otgirl32Woman
over a year ago

Ashton Under Lyne

"Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

I'd definitely take the well hung priest. Nuns? Noooo, bad memories from school days

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts.

I'll be honest as attacks on religion go that's pretty feeble.

It's not really meant as an attack. Just some thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?Is that so? every so often you get them religious groups coming up to you when waiting for the bus and if you say you dont believe, they will keep going on and on, so who needs to justify its existent of religion?"

There are Jehovah's witnesses at my station quite often. They are the least pushy people imaginable and simply wish most people good morning. I don't agree with their beliefs but have considerable respect for their commitment to those beliefs.

And I've never encountered anything other than pleasantries from religious cold callers at home.

I find chuggers far more persistent and unpleasant than any religious types

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I've never encountered anything other than pleasantries from religious cold callers at home.

I find chuggers far more persistent and unpleasant than any religious types

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I've never encountered anything other than pleasantries from religious cold callers at home.

I find chuggers far more persistent and unpleasant than any religious types

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I've never encountered anything other than pleasantries from religious cold callers at home.

I find chuggers far more persistent and unpleasant than any religious types

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't do buses sweetie.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't do buses sweetie. "

You do have a sexy butt though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts.

I'll be honest as attacks on religion go that's pretty feeble.

It's not really meant as an attack. Just some thoughts"
it is an attack on religion, as youve cvompared it to a mental illness, and in turn offended some not all people with health problems When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't do buses sweetie. "
That's good, so more the car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I've never encountered anything other than pleasantries from religious cold callers at home.

I find chuggers far more persistent and unpleasant than any religious types "
That is right, some groups are less pushy than others, recon as well they are jehovahs at my stop to, sometimes you get a leaflet as well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts.

I'll be honest as attacks on religion go that's pretty feeble.

It's not really meant as an attack. Just some thoughts it is an attack on religion, as youve cvompared it to a mental illness, and in turn offended some not all people with health problems When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem."

That's your interpretation not mine. Mental illness isn't an insult. Again, that was your interpretation. I was trying to word it in a way that made sense and that's what came out. Like if someone told me they had depression, my heart would sink slightly in empathy as a fellow human bean. I don't look down upon them if that's what you mean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a non believer

what about the gods of haribo

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Them are nice too and the cola bottles as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts.

I'll be honest as attacks on religion go that's pretty feeble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?"

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Gods plural....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?"

I think it matters to a certain degree because our beliefs and opinions affect others too. It affect the society we all live in so it's not really a personal thing. Like bringing up kids. Like I said to someone in pm a min ago, it's less about having a right to a view and more about having a responsibility to question our views/beliefs. I think religious thought processes make it more difficult to progress socially maybe.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Filth.

"Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

I'd definitely take the well hung priest. Nuns? Noooo, bad memories from school days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

I'd definitely take the well hung priest. Nuns? Noooo, bad memories from school days

How about you and Sabrina dressing up as nuns ?

Identical outfits , with the vwe priest and play the role as sisters ?

That would definately work for me

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts.

I'll be honest as attacks on religion go that's pretty feeble.

Like I just said..I put it as a way to try and make sense. Insults are taken not given. I'm not giving any.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

Only if people insist on shoving their beliefs down the throats of others - that includes the belief that believers are nuts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

Well, of course you did

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gods plural...."
They got many in india

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Gods plural....They got many in india"

Exactly. Are they all wrong, I wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

Well, of course you did

Any given opportunity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the greek gods do it for me, maybe its because hot hot sexy actors and actresses have played them in films

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?"

I'm not at all sure they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gods plural....They got many in india

Exactly. Are they all wrong, I wonder? "
I wonder the same, they might be right there.

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By *anetandNickCouple
over a year ago

Ross-on-Wye

"...do you get that slight sinking feeling"

Well, you're sunk with me then.

Janet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God loves all his children including the heathens that worship a different God to him , and those that don't believe in God

Nothing you can do about it . That's how it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that the people who are not religious talk about God much more than those who are ?"

So true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God loves all his children including the heathens that worship a different God to him , and those that don't believe in God

Nothing you can do about it . That's how it is "
what about the ginger ones

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

Only if people insist on shoving their beliefs down the throats of others - that includes the belief that believers are nuts"

Even for those who are genuinely kind and good people and don't shove it down others throats, it still affects others if they don't trust in the scientific process it could affect progress and affect the way people vote which affects how we all have to live. I think it would be better if people could still get that comfort and solace and kindness without the religious part.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

Only if people insist on shoving their beliefs down the throats of others - that includes the belief that believers are nuts

Religious people can still believe in science and progress. It's not the 16th century any more. You sound really smug and patronising about people who choose to believe in God.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"God loves all his children including the heathens that worship a different God to him , and those that don't believe in God

Nothing you can do about it . That's how it is "

This is the sort of thought process I mean. I obviously don't know you personally so lets assume you are a good person. It's unhealthy to not question your own views. That's not a healthy state of mind. It shows a fear of change possibly and a distrust in the scientific process etc...and when a lot of people think that way it can hold us all back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

Only if people insist on shoving their beliefs down the throats of others - that includes the belief that believers are nuts

Religious people can still believe in science and progress. It's not the 16th century any more. You sound really smug and patronising about people who choose to believe in God."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God loves all his children including the heathens that worship a different God to him , and those that don't believe in God

Nothing you can do about it . That's how it is what about the ginger ones

Yes the ginger ones and the sodomists and the trannies

And anyone else that you can think off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God loves all his children including the heathens that worship a different God to him , and those that don't believe in God

Nothing you can do about it . That's how it is

It's a totally non judgemental statement that keeps everyone happy

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

Only if people insist on shoving their beliefs down the throats of others - that includes the belief that believers are nuts

Religious people can still believe in science and progress. It's not the 16th century any more. You sound really smug and patronising about people who choose to believe in God."

No I don't mean this in a smug or patronizing tone. That's the problem with reading words on a screen..no tone of voice/body language etc... It's perfectly fine to question things and good. I already said earlier that I don't look down upon religious people. I have some religious friends and my brother is christian.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"God loves all his children including the heathens that worship a different God to him , and those that don't believe in God

Nothing you can do about it . That's how it is what about the ginger ones

Yes the ginger ones and the sodomists and the trannies

And anyone else that you can think off "

But if they don't believe in him or worship another god then he tortures them/us for eternity..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Op you come acroos as aperson with no religious believes, maybe you do maybe you dont, i can only go by what you have posted, but you seem to want to argue this, you compared a religious believe to a mental illness, made out its backward in the non scientific side.

do you not realise op that many people have different levels of believe in whatever religion they choose

you should read online roman catholics and there believe in science to enhance mankind

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Op you come acroos as aperson with no religious believes, maybe you do maybe you dont, i can only go by what you have posted, but you seem to want to argue this, you compared a religious believe to a mental illness, made out its backward in the non scientific side.

do you not realise op that many people have different levels of believe in whatever religion they choose

you should read online roman catholics and there believe in science to enhance mankind"

I didn't compare belief to mental illness. I was comparing the feeling when someone says they are religious. It was the feeling not the actual belief.

I haven't heard of those roman catholics wanting to use science to enhance us. That's cool

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By *igzag1Man
over a year ago

hartlepool

God backwards is dog woof

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Epicurus "

For most people of a monotheistic faith the entire purpose of existence is for us to learn and grow. This is done only by facing opposition - which, much of the time, would be seen as evil. Their God allows evil to exist not because He is malevolent or uncaring, but because it is part of a plan. They would tend to belief in the need to be able to choose and, as long as that freedom to choose exists, people are able to choose to do evil. It's an interesting paradox that the very people who complain that religion is "controlling" by giving a simple code to live by are the very same people who think that a God should directly control everyone and everything.

But those of faith would also argue that it is false to say that their God allows evil indefinitely. Their God would only allow evil to exist within a given time, but in the end, everything would be made whole and right. Those who have suffered unjustly would undergo a complete restoration and find a glory far surpassing any trials they have gone through, however heavy they may have seemed at the moment.

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesnt bother me one jot. Im not religious but if i know someone is i admire there commiment to their beliefs and leave it alone. What works for someone else is none of mine if it doesnt affect me.

I may not believe in god but i dont think think theres anything wrong with trying to comprehend something bigger than mankind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

Only if people insist on shoving their beliefs down the throats of others - that includes the belief that believers are nuts

Religious people can still believe in science and progress. It's not the 16th century any more. You sound really smug and patronising about people who choose to believe in God.

You said your heart sinks like it would if they had a mental illness, that they're holding back science and progress and lots of other things. It's not tone of voice that would make that smug and patronising, it's what you're actually typing. I'm not religious but I don't automatically think all religious people don't believe in science.

I think you've missed what believing in god really means as well, I don't think many Christians these days beleive in lifelong torture and damnation for people who don't believe in god. Give people a bit of credit. Not everyone who believes or thinks something different to you is an idiot.

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By *ortland51Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I am religious, however that doesn't necessarily mean I have to believe in (a particular) God.

Religion can be many things. It doesn't have to always defend itself against a scientific argument, as religion to me is more about principle, community, empathy, compassion, kindness, helping those who need it and many other things. That is what the church has taught me.

I appreciate that in stark contrast to what I have said above, religion causes more than it's fair share of problems globally, and that is a much larger discussion of which I'm nowhere near smart enough to get involved in, but for my part, I enjoy being from a religious family and upbringing and I believe that most who choose to embrace religion enjoy their choice too.

It doesn't bother me that people aren't religious, just as it shouldn't bother anyone that I am.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"People need to find meaning to their lives, for some religion is the route.

It doesn't stand up to rational analysis, but who cares if it helps some to get through their day?

I think the ability to question ones own beliefs has far more to do with the innate fundamental nature of the person than what they actually belief. Confirmation bias is not the sole prerogative of believers.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

I'd definitely take the well hung priest. Nuns? Noooo, bad memories from school days

How about you and Sabrina dressing up as nuns ?

Identical outfits , with the vwe priest and play the role as sisters ?

That would definately work for me

I'll volunteer for the vwe priest but I may need a good prosthetic to play the part totally convincingly.

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By *oobsandballsMan
over a year ago

st andrews

I think there's a distinction between faith and religion. People who have faith I can understand - it gives them strength in hard times and if it makes them feel better then go for it.

Some religions on the other hand dictates that you must do this and not do that, which I find peculiar. If their God exists why would it matter if they ate fish on a particular day, or didn't drink tea because of something in it? If God is supposed to love everyone? That's where I have the difficulty.

I don't believe, but I don't knock others who do. Six years at catholic school well spent, lol!

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Is it possible to be a true believer AND a swinger?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Is it possible to be a true believer AND a swinger?"

There was *one* but he went, thank God

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Is it possible to be a true believer AND a swinger?"

Well as Christians are meant to believe that Christ came save sinners, not the righteous, I'd say possibly yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All religions/belief systems are outdated ways of thinking. Should have all been done away with by the end of the 20th century. The concept of God's, angels, demons even ghosts and spirits are all man made. Anyone who thinks that when they die, they will awaken in a perfect paradise because their and only their lives was enriched is very nàive. So, your creator created the earth the sun and all life itself only to them when you die, go to better place? It might have been better place a few millenniums ago but now it's gonna be rammed to the rafters with ever idiot that's ever lived. That's only the tip...of the iceberg

Jim Jefferies is a comedian who has some very interesting thoughts on religion.

I'm an atheist and I need a nice curvy arse to slap.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Afterlife insurance for the hard of thinking. It's fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he's created?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

No smugness and being patronizing are things done with intent. Like the other person it's your interpretation not mine. Tone very much matters when it comes to being patronizing. It's when you look down on someone and think your better etc...I don't think I'm better and will say again, I do not look down on religious people. I don't take responsibility for your interpretation. Smugness is suggesting I somehow thing I'm better or smarter. I do not think like that. It's information and thought processes and questioning things.

I have not called anyone an idiot. I don't believe in idiocy. You're putting words in my mouth and projecting your interpretation on to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It doesnt bother me one jot. Im not religious but if i know someone is i admire there commiment to their beliefs and leave it alone. What works for someone else is none of mine if it doesnt affect me.

I may not believe in god but i dont think think theres anything wrong with trying to comprehend something bigger than mankind. "

I think it's good to try and comprehend or think about things bigger than us.

I don't think it's good though to have total commitment to a belief. I think that is due to people attaching their identity to their belief and having an emotional attachment etc...It's not healthy to not question our own beliefs. The commitment without question is due to insecurity I believe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

That seems rational to a certain degree yes. But whatever someone believes (political or religious etc..) will seem rational to them usually. That doesn't mean it is necessarily. Everyone thinks their views are rational and make sense.

I think if God is intelligent enough to create the universe and us then surely he would be intelligent enough to find a way for us to learn lessons without the suffering. I saw very recently that some researchers somewhere are very close to being able to download information and skills directly to peoples brains (like The Matrix). If we are already close to being able to learn things in such a way then surely God, who is vastly superior, would have thought up a better way to learn things than suffering. He could have just created us with those lessons already learnt. Or better still...instead of Heaven, Earth and Hell he could have just created an infinite paradise for everyone from the get go. If the point of paradise is eternal love and happiness then why not just cut to the chase and create that on it's own. I can't figure out how an vastly intelligent being of love would make learning lessons so horrible. What lesson does a young baby learn if they are abused and killed?

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Same old arguments, same old protagonists, same old bullshit.

We need some new bullshit.

If there is sentient life elsewhere in the universe do it/they have gods?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a non believer

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Were all non believers, everyone on here, some don't belive in Thor, some don't belive in Bacchus, some don't belive in Krishna, some don't belive Zeus and some don't belive in superman.

I often find how we came about those beliefs far more therapeutic than having the beliefs in the first place!

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By *ny1localMan
over a year ago

READING

If there is a god,does it only belong to our planet?Do all the other worlds in the universe that can sustain life have one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

"
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What lesson is this God teaching to a three month old with cancer! Or a two month old born with parasites eating it's eyes, what God could dream up such torture as the bot fly or ebola!.

I'm sorry id rather throw my hand in with Joseph mengeler at least his intentions are honest if not the same!

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"If there is a god,does it only belong to our planet?Do all the other worlds in the universe that can sustain life have one?"

Is that agreement or re-iteration? lol

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Why do you say GOD created these things?

There are dark forces at play.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I am religious, however that doesn't necessarily mean I have to believe in (a particular) God.

It doesn't bother me that people aren't religious, just as it shouldn't bother anyone that I am.

Which church taught you that ?

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"What lesson is this God teaching to a three month old with cancer! Or a two month old born with parasites eating it's eyes, what God could dream up such torture as the bot fly or ebola!.

I'm sorry id rather throw my hand in with Joseph mengeler at least his intentions are honest if not the same"

Apparently, he moves in mysterious ways.

A bit like Mick Jagger perhaps.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Im asking because those qualities you mention are displayed by atheists too.

You need to admit your religion or stop saying you are religious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I may not believe in god but i dont think think theres anything wrong with trying to comprehend something bigger than mankind.

I think it's good to try and comprehend or think about things bigger than us.

Heslthy or not. Thats human nature.

Experiences create beliefs, beliefs get reinforced through more experience or knowledge (right or wrong). That belief underpins or becomes to a core value of the way you believe life should be lived.

I dont think its unhealthy though. I know someone close to me who was severely depressed after losing two of their close family attempted suicide a few times. They turned to spiritualism and have been doing well ever since

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Im asking because those qualities you mention are displayed by atheists too.

You need to admit your religion or stop saying you are religious. "

It's alright Granny, people who need to express their impositions on other people are the ones without direction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a non believer

Were all non believers, everyone on here, some don't belive in Thor, some don't belive in Bacchus, some don't belive in Krishna, some don't belive Zeus and some don't belive in superman.

I often find how we came about those beliefs far more therapeutic than having the beliefs in the first place!"
That is right we are a mix of non believers, but if we don't believe, there can not be a hell either?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do love a religious debate, and i do like to reduce most of them down to population control. However, i don't see why we all get so irate about it

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By *ayd2pinkTV/TS
over a year ago

TENTERDEN

Religion is a crutch for the weak and has cause more pre-mature deaths than any other cause you care to mention.

It's about time the world woke up, then we can hope to go forward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do love a religious debate, and i do like to reduce most of them down to population control. However, i don't see why we all get so irate about it"
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It doesn't bother me that much, I just find that religion should be regulated like alcohol, only for adults and a priest that tells you when you've taken it too far!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Im asking because those qualities you mention are displayed by atheists too.

You need to admit your religion or stop saying you are religious.

It's alright Granny, people who need to express their impositions on other people are the ones without direction."

I know where I've been and I know where i'm going .....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why do you say GOD created these things?

There are dark forces at play."

Because it's said that God created everything and is all powerful. If he created everything then he created those dark forces and if he's all powerful then he could stop those dark forces..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God or no god there has to be balance gravity with speed, light with dark, death with life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"God or no god there has to be balance gravity with speed, light with dark, death with life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do you say GOD created these things?

There are dark forces at play.

Because it's said that God created everything and is all powerful. If he created everything then he created those dark forces and if he's all powerful then he could stop those dark forces.."

I guess you need to do some research on the concept and scriptures. The whole concept is that God has given freedom of choice is my understanding. So stop blaming evil God and take responsibility for all the bad things YOU chose to do ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

A person of faith could argue that he has created such a thing already in the trees and plants. These things exist in a world where everything is provided and there is no real concept of good and evil. For us however, they could argue, that, in order for free will to exist, the choice has to exist to do evil. So the child that suffers from abuse is suffering that evil because a person, using their own free will, chose to inflict that evil on them.

In short, you cannot have free will if people are not free to choose to do evil. It then follows that to remove evil from the world you would have to remove free will and if you remove free will then we are no longer human. This holds true whether you believe in a god or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Religion is a crutch for the weak and has cause more pre-mature deaths than any other cause you care to mention.

It's about time the world woke up, then we can hope to go forward."

I agree that it has caused lots of deaths. A crutch for the weak though? It could be argued that the church gained power from taking in those who felt they had no-one else to turn to. And that's our fault as a society for often failing to be fully inclusive.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why do you say GOD created these things?

There are dark forces at play.

Because it's said that God created everything and is all powerful. If he created everything then he created those dark forces and if he's all powerful then he could stop those dark forces..

There's no evidence for free will. There is growing evidence that we don't have free will though. They had a BBC Horizon documentary about it a while ago and had a guy wired up to a brain scanning machine to see which parts of his brain were active when he was making a decision. He had a simple choice to make and he was to tell them as soon as he was aware what he had decided. The researcher knew what his decision was 6 seconds before he did. It's not finished though as they have to get the time to so they can predict quicker decisions but it's not looking good for free will. It's seem our choices come from complex interactions that we are mostly unaware of and cause and effect as opposed to coming from free will. Nothing happens in isolation..

I have no issue with taking responsibility but what do you mean the bad things I do? I'm not doing bad things...

Also, if God created everything then he also created the decisions we make so even from a non-scientific view point there is a contradiction there.

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By *ortland51Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I am religious, however that doesn't necessarily mean I have to believe in (a particular) God.

It doesn't bother me that people aren't religious, just as it shouldn't bother anyone that I am.

Which church taught you that ?"

The one I've been a member of all my life.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Same old arguments, same old protagonists, same old bullshit.

We need some new bullshit.

If there is sentient life elsewhere in the universe do it/they have gods?"

That's an interesting question. If the sentient life you talk about is at about the same level of the average mammal then I would say probably not. If, on the other hand it's at the level of the average human then I would say more than likely yes, for two possible reasons.

1) Because, if a god does actually exist then it would seem likely to that he would reveal his existence to other intelligent beings in a similar way to what happened here.

2) If no god exists then it seems likely to me that, whatever evolutionary pressure which led to intelligence here would probably be the same anywhere life exists and, if that was so, would lead to a convergent evolutionary process and thus similar beliefs in a god concept.

However I seriously doubt that intelligent life exists anywhere else and, if it does, that it would exist at the same time as us. And that belief is based on statistical possibility.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

If you see my above post about free will it looks like we don't have it. But lets say that we do for the point of example, if God is all seeing and he sees someone abusing a baby, free will or not, he could stop it and doesn't. He allows child abuse. Deity or not, that's unacceptable.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem."

You get a sinking feeling when you find out someone has a mental health problem?

Wow

I'm actually speechless.

I cannot think of a single thing to say that won't result in being moderated into another dimension, so I'll stick with wow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

But if there is God, there is also the Devil. Plus God gave us freedom of choice, hence sinning etc. So if you truly belive all of the God stuff, you cant really make such a statement without looking at why evil happens as well as good?

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over a year ago

The long and shorts is that we try to understand the concept of God, based on our own intellectual restrictions.

God if it/he/she exists maybe nothing like we can comprehend or imagine or begin to perceive.

For those who demand proof of God's existence. ...prove gods non existence. Open minds are best,and I certainly find the anti religious brigade a rather vindictive bunch at times. Let people choose their beliefs;you don't have to go out of your way to upset people who aren't really bothering you at all.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

What lesson is this God teaching to a three month old with cancer! Or a two month old born with parasites eating it's eyes, what God could dream up such torture as the bot fly or ebola!.

I'm sorry id rather throw my hand in with Joseph mengeler at least his intentions are honest if not the same!"

Like I've said, you have free will to decide and if you decide to throw your hand in with someone you KNOW to be evil because you cannot understand how something that does not work the way you feel it should is not evil, that is your choice.

However I have already said that, to a person of faith who beliefs that there is an after life, what ever injustice or suffering any may suffer in this world would ultimately be corrected and restored in the next.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" The long and shorts is that we try to understand the concept of God, based on our own intellectual restrictions.

God if it/he/she exists maybe nothing like we can comprehend or imagine or begin to perceive.

Well said

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"If there is a god,does it only belong to our planet?Do all the other worlds in the universe that can sustain life have one?

Is that agreement or re-iteration? lol"

I would think that only those that sustain intelligent life would be likely to have the concept of a god because, without intelligence there is no concept, whether a god actually exists or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coming from Northern Ireland as I do, I tend to stay out of religious debates however I feel quite strongly about a couple of points.

Firstly to the guy who said being religious wasn't about having a God....what utter crap. Please explain what a religion is, if not how one worships one's God.

Secondly I have no issue with anyone's belief or right to believe. Do as you so wish. But bearing God's wish to give us all free choice in mind, please respect my right to choose freely and don't expect me or anyone else for that matter to live by your religious standards.

Why should the pubs shut early on good Friday, or Christmas day? If you want to go to church then crack on with it, I promise I won't tell you when you have to go home. I would appreciate if you extended me the same courtesy.

Here endeth the rant, go in peace brother, or sister.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem.

You get a sinking feeling when you find out someone has a mental health problem?

Wow

I'm actually speechless.

I cannot think of a single thing to say that won't result in being moderated into another dimension, so I'll stick with wow."

You've misinterpreted it. The example that I used earlier was if I found out someone had depression then yes I'd get a sinking feeling out of empathy that another person is having problems like that. Not to compare religious belief to mental health issues but to compare the feeling. I was trying to word it in a way that made sense. Some got it some didn't.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"If there is a god,does it only belong to our planet?Do all the other worlds in the universe that can sustain life have one?

Is that agreement or re-iteration? lol

I would think that only those that sustain intelligent life would be likely to have the concept of a god because, without intelligence there is no concept, whether a god actually exists or not."

Oh I don't know. I see concepts proposed by those clearly devoid of intelligence on here quite often.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

I've already explained about free will above. It doesn't look like we have it based on the evidence/research so far. If God is all powerful then he could stop the Devil. I thought he sent the Devil to Hell so don't know how he keeps escaping to do bad things. What's the point of sending him to Hell if he can still do bad things anyway..Hell needs better security guards..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

" The long and shorts is that we try to understand the concept of God, based on our own intellectual restrictions.

God if it/he/she exists maybe nothing like we can comprehend or imagine or begin to perceive.

If you scroll up a bit you'll see my posts about how our beliefs do affect other people.

I also haven't been vindictive. Some people are unfortunately but I haven't been like that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

What lesson is this God teaching to a three month old with cancer! Or a two month old born with parasites eating it's eyes, what God could dream up such torture as the bot fly or ebola!.

I'm sorry id rather throw my hand in with Joseph mengeler at least his intentions are honest if not the same!

There is no evidence for free will. The research so far suggests that we don't have it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

I don't mean to nit pick or anything but security guards usually keep people out. Prison staff would be more suitable..... Just saying

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem.

You get a sinking feeling when you find out someone has a mental health problem?

Wow

I'm actually speechless.

I cannot think of a single thing to say that won't result in being moderated into another dimension, so I'll stick with wow.

Frankly, bollocks.

If that's what you'd meant you wouldn't have specified a mental health problem because surely, as a decent human being, you'd feel empathy and sadness for all illness and suffering?

You meant that you think people with mental health problems and religious people are broken, defective thinkers and are lesser humans. Some do, indeed, "get it".

You clearly have an issue with religion and a fundamental lack of respect for the beliefs of others, so to say you feel the same way about people with a mental illness is showing your low regard for them too.

You're not showing any empathy with people with religious beliefs, you consider something is broken in their thinking.

You do know that one in four people has a mental health condition?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't mean to nit pick or anything but security guards usually keep people out. Prison staff would be more suitable..... Just saying

DOH!!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Why do you say GOD created these things?

There are dark forces at play.

Because it's said that God created everything and is all powerful. If he created everything then he created those dark forces and if he's all powerful then he could stop those dark forces..

The fact, if true, that by scanning someone's brain you can found out what they have decided before their conscious themselves of their decision does not disprove free will.

I have no issue with taking responsibility but what do you mean the bad things I do? I'm not doing bad things...

You cannot claim to take responsibility and at the same time claim no such thing as free will. Either we are free to make decisions for ourselves, and thus responsible for those decisions, or we are not free to make decisions for ourselves, and thus not responsible. It's totally illogical to argue that we have no choice but are responsible.

Also, if God created everything then he also created the decisions we make so even from a non-scientific view point there is a contradiction there. "

No, that doesn't follow either. The only way a god could create all the decisions would be if that god made all the choices and if that god made all the choices then there would be no free will.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem.

You get a sinking feeling when you find out someone has a mental health problem?

Wow

I'm actually speechless.

I cannot think of a single thing to say that won't result in being moderated into another dimension, so I'll stick with wow.

Frankly, bollocks.

If that's what you'd meant you wouldn't have specified a mental health problem because surely, as a decent human being, you'd feel empathy and sadness for all illness and suffering?

You meant that you think people with mental health problems and religious people are broken, defective thinkers and are lesser humans. Some do, indeed, "get it".

You're not showing any empathy with people with religious beliefs, you consider something is broken in their thinking.

You do know that one in four people has a mental health condition?"

I know what I meant and have explained it.

Yes I'm aware mental health is relatively common. My brother has multiple conditions and I have had depression and bad anxiety also. And my other syblings..and birth mother.

You have misinterpreted what I said which is understandable but your now putting words in my mouth.

I know what I mean but that doesn't mean I'm always good at communicating it. I thought my OP was clear enough and it didn't cross my mind to specify a specific condition which is why I did specify one when it was brought up to try and explain my meaning better.

I don't take responsibility for you interpretation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The fact, if true, that by scanning someone's brain you can found out what they have decided before their conscious themselves of their decision does not disprove free will.

I have no issue with taking responsibility but what do you mean the bad things I do? I'm not doing bad things...

Also, if God created everything then he also created the decisions we make so even from a non-scientific view point there is a contradiction there.

No, that doesn't follow either. The only way a god could create all the decisions would be if that god made all the choices and if that god made all the choices then there would be no free will."

Yes that experiment does point to us not having free will. Free will as in making conscious decisions looks unlikely.

I can still take responsibility because as I said earlier, the free will thing hasn't been proved fully yet. There is more for the researchers to do yet. It's just a probability just now. So if it turns out we do have it somehow, then I can take responsibility.

Yes if God made all the choices then we would have no free will..that's what I've been saying. It doesn't look like we do based on the research so far.

We live in a reality where everything is a system. Cause and effect. Inter-relating parts interacting. Nothing seems to be self activating.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem.

You get a sinking feeling when you find out someone has a mental health problem?

Wow

I'm actually speechless.

I cannot think of a single thing to say that won't result in being moderated into another dimension, so I'll stick with wow.

Frankly, bollocks.

If that's what you'd meant you wouldn't have specified a mental health problem because surely, as a decent human being, you'd feel empathy and sadness for all illness and suffering?

You meant that you think people with mental health problems and religious people are broken, defective thinkers and are lesser humans. Some do, indeed, "get it".

You're not showing any empathy with people with religious beliefs, you consider something is broken in their thinking.

You do know that one in four people has a mental health condition?

I know what I meant and have explained it.

Yes I'm aware mental health is relatively common. My brother has multiple conditions and I have had depression and bad anxiety also. And my other syblings..and birth mother.

You have misinterpreted what I said which is understandable but your now putting words in my mouth.

I don't take responsibility for you interpretation. "

More like you're trying not to take responsibility for what you said and for insulting a huge proportion of the population of the Earth.

Your meaning was clear. People with mental health problems and religious people are defective. You have no empathy with either. You're clearly showing how you feel about those who have religious beliefs. You compare the two, then clearly look down on the religious as having problems with their thinking, yet claim you merely feel sad for those with poor mental health?

You linked the two in your post and your thoughts about one category are blindingly clear.

I'm quite sure if there is a God, he has at least as many problems with you as you have with Him.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Epicurus

You may not believe in this explanation, but it is internally consistent and rational, and it shows how things are not necessarily so simplistic as the question suggests.

What lesson is this God teaching to a three month old with cancer! Or a two month old born with parasites eating it's eyes, what God could dream up such torture as the bot fly or ebola!.

I'm sorry id rather throw my hand in with Joseph mengeler at least his intentions are honest if not the same!

There is no evidence for free will. The research so far suggests that we don't have it. "

I disagree. The evidence does not suggest that free will does not exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no evidence for free willy. The research so far suggests that we don't have it. "

It gets offered frequently on here......

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"If you can believe in a 'God' that is fine with allowing kids to have cancer then you're an idiot. "
. It is difficult to see what correlation there is between God and Cancer or why someone should be described as an idiot .

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"Do y'all think this imaginary God guy sounds a bit evil? Basically it's "tell me I'm amazing or I'll torture you forever." Sounds like Donald Trump.

I think there probably is other beings that are more intelligent or aware than us but not in the traditional "God" type of way.

When you find out someone is religious, do you get that slight sinking feeling? Almost like they've just told you they have a mental problem. Really it's a thought pattern problem.

Also, I like good sized bubble butts. "
. What would that fact that someone is religious give someone a sinking feeling .

I think most religious people are more tolerant that the non religious .

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By *hiterabbit69Man
over a year ago

Romford

I've always wanted to be sodomised by a Nun, in a church. Most preferably in a confessional. That's the only thing religion has done for me, given me weird fetishes.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Evasive response. Quite juvenile.

Is there a reason you don't want to say what church you are a member of ?

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By *hiterabbit69Man
over a year ago

Romford

I think most religious people are more tolerant that the non religious ."

I too have met some tolerant religious peeps, but by and large they are few and far between.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sabrina would like to fuck a well hung priest and we would both like to have our way with a nun .

Not sure if this is that relevant to the thread but thought we'd put it out there anyway

Jeez you've got some bad habits!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

The fact, if true, that by scanning someone's brain you can found out what they have decided before their conscious themselves of their decision does not disprove free will.

I have no issue with taking responsibility but what do you mean the bad things I do? I'm not doing bad things...

Also, if God created everything then he also created the decisions we make so even from a non-scientific view point there is a contradiction there.

No, that doesn't follow either. The only way a god could create all the decisions would be if that god made all the choices and if that god made all the choices then there would be no free will.

Yes that experiment does point to us not having free will. Free will as in making conscious decisions looks unlikely.

Yes if God made all the choices then we would have no free will..that's what I've been saying. It doesn't look like we do based on the research so far.

But the results of the research don't prove that and, in my opinion, don't even suggest that.

However it's also irrelevant to the argument because, those that believe in a god would also mostly believe in free will and an after life. And the belief in all those things is that is required to make an internally reasonable argument as to why evil exists in this world.

We live in a reality where everything is a system. Cause and effect. Inter-relating parts interacting. Nothing seems to be self activating. "

No, we live in a reality where you have the possibility and choice to make your own decision but the downside of that is that you are responsible for those decisions and you and possibly others, have to live with the results of those decisions. And that believing that does not require a belief in any god either.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch