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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So if such a thing exists... what if anything constitutes sub-human behaviour ..... and should that therefore require the use a different set of rules and values when assessing the severity of punishment.....

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Don;t start this again!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Confucius say:

"He who stirs shit may end up licking spoon."

*intones head gravely and bows*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A different set of rules and values when assessing the severity of punishment for "sub human behaviour" would probably constitute sub human behaviour, would it not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So if such a thing exists... what if anything constitutes sub-human behaviour ..... and should that therefore require the use a different set of rules and values when assessing the severity of punishment.....

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If your using the word subhuman that clearly starts of the mind frame that were more important than non humans... Therefore I can't understand how my dog leads a good life while I lead a dogs life

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Confucius say:

"He who stirs shit may end up licking spoon."

*intones head gravely and bows*"

Awwww JoeY-boi.....you could have looked the other way...... but you saw my name and that irresistible urge to flirt with me kicked in again and before you know it you found your self searching for something to say,,,

C'mon man..... if you want a ((((Hug)))) I'll give you one..... but you'll have to settle for that until I've had a good look at your cock.....

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Using the wrong cutlery at meals.

Yes, they should be shot, ground up and used to mulch the borders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're on a roll, Soxy, you naughty stirrer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A different set of rules and values when assessing the severity of punishment for "sub human behaviour" would probably constitute sub human behaviour, would it not? "

I don't know..... but we don't seem to have a problem deciding what is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour for animals....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Squashing snails with your feet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you mean terrorists? are they sub-human in their behaviour? I would say so. But - did another human make them become sub-human?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Confucius say:

"He who stirs shit may end up licking spoon."

*intones head gravely and bows*

C'mon man..... if you want a ((((Hug)))) I'll give you one..... but you'll have to settle for that until I've had a good look at your cock.....

You'll have to ask a lot nicer than that

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Marine boy and man from Atlantis

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Confucius say:

"He who stirs shit may end up licking spoon."

*intones head gravely and bows*

C'mon man..... if you want a ((((Hug)))) I'll give you one..... but you'll have to settle for that until I've had a good look at your cock.....

You'll have to ask a lot nicer than that

Oooooo I love it when you play hard to get,,,,

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Squashing snails with your feet"

OMG yes,,,, Isn't that just the worst thing....

Slugs too...... ewwwwww....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Using the wrong cutlery at meals.

Yes, they should be shot, ground up and used to mulch the borders."

Indeed they should,,,, although it's probably a good idea to remind readers that's its advisable to wear rubber gloves when distributing mulch amongst unfamiliar shrubbery .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I once toyed with an idea of writing an article about the use of "sub-human" terminology by politicians and political pundits and how it shapes our perceptions of anyone "other."

Listen to politicians speak and see how often they use such terminology to stir anger or support.

It's propoganda.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

It's a slippery slope...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My girlfriend is a sub, and she's very much human, my point......I'm not sure I have one, I am without a point, I am pointless, I am human, and I have no point, I'm a pointless human, but I'm an individual, but I still have no point, I'm a pointless individual...........................what was the question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i used to be of the mindset that everyone, no matter how evil they might seem, was born with the ability to be human and humane and has the ability to become so with the right care.

i still agree with the first part of this but do get that circumstances might make it so they don't thrive into someone 'normal' and that they might never become humane at all, that opportunity has gone for these people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My girlfriend is a sub, and she's very much human, my point......I'm not sure I have one, I am without a point, I am pointless, I am human, and I have no point, I'm a pointless human, but I'm an individual, but I still have no point, I'm a pointless individual...........................what was the question?

Fear not.......You can come with me and give it a proper-gander while I give it a butchers-hook,,,,,

We can compare notes behind the apples and pairs of that rubber-dub-dub down the frog and toad next to the ( Insert cockney rhyming slang for a place name of your own choosing)......

People are just not taking my thread seriously and I'm fed-up with I tell you..... fed-up.....

I demand you all leave my thread right now,,,,,, out with you ..... go'on no lurking at that back....out I say.... out....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"i used to be of the mindset that everyone, no matter how evil they might seem, was born with the ability to be human and humane and has the ability to become so with the right care.

I used to work with a guy who ended up spending time in a correctional facility when he was quite young simply because his parents become unwilling to take care of him.....

He had committed a serious crime as such...

But he ended up in the same facility as a notorious young female who was locked up for killing a child...

He described her as pure evil .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i used to be of the mindset that everyone, no matter how evil they might seem, was born with the ability to be human and humane and has the ability to become so with the right care.

I used to work with a guy who ended up spending time in a correctional facility when he was quite young simply because his parents become unwilling to take care of him.....

He had committed a serious crime as such...

But he ended up in the same facility as a notorious young female who was locked up for killing a child...

He described her as pure evil .....

people like this, who haven't developed emotionally, often don't see the hypocrisy in the way they attribute to others.

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By *inzi LTV/TS
over a year ago

The Garden of Eden in Beautiful North Wales

It's not fair, I don't understand the question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok I've pulled it back together, sub human behavior, would need an accurate and all encompassing definition, in order to use it as a benchmark for a second tier of sanctions against individuals, the problem there lies, that the law is a slow process, and a changing world, like the one that we live in, would hinder properly setting rules and laws.

Take for example the recent case of a footballer, who used his influence to seduce an under age girl in a hotel room, a despicable act I'm sure you agree, but for those of you old enough to remember, think back to the marriage if bill wyman if the stones, and mandy smith, she was 15 when their relationship started, and he wasn't even questioned, is it less morally wrong, because eventualy bill and mandy got married?

Laws don't decide the fate of men, men decide the fate if men, and with the information super highway, whizzing through almost every home in the country, its becoming more and more difficult to ensure the integrity of a jury, details get leaked, and once you have read something, you can't un read it.

All law is flawed because of its reliance of humans, so to make "sub human behavior" more punishable, it would be open to all kinds of biased interpretations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Bill Wyman only married her so he didn't look like as much of a child abuser tbh. In relation to the above post.

I don't actually agree with punishments myself, although i know they do work with some people (and even the threat of punishment is enough for others). But it's the reason why they work is what i feel is wrong.

I more think that rehabilitation of offenders, and rehabilitation of the system they live in, is the fairest way.

And once everything is really fair and everyone has true equality AND that society has accepted everyone has the right to this, then we will see who the truly evil are, the ones who do things because they enjoy violating other living beings on this planet will stand out as wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ok I've pulled it back together, sub human behavior, would need an accurate and all encompassing definition, in order to use it as a benchmark for a second tier of sanctions against individuals, the problem there lies, that the law is a slow process, and a changing world, like the one that we live in, would hinder properly setting rules and laws.

All law is flawed because of its reliance of humans, so to make "sub human behavior" more punishable, it would be open to all kinds of biased interpretations.

Great post....

Although in my mind a sub-human act is something that doesn't involve a process where the perpetrator succumbs to a temptation that others manage to resist.

To me sub human behaviour is a act of cruelty that is carried out without any feeling of wrong doing or remorse.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hanging's too good for them! They should be hung, drawn and quartered...in public. Especially immigrants and people who want to stay in the EU, bastards. They're probably all lefties anyway, sponging off society. That's not what I pay my taxes for!... When I pay them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All law is flawed because of its reliance of humans, so to make "sub human behavior" more punishable, it would be open to all kinds of biased interpretations.

Great post....

Although in my mind a sub-human act is something that doesn't involve a process where the perpetrator succumbs to a temptation that others manage to resist.

To me sub human behaviour is a act of cruelty that is carried out without any feeling of wrong doing or remorse.....

But your last paragraph could so easily be describing bdsm, and that only involves sub human behavior, if you do it right

There are sections if society that would treat what we do here at fab towers as sub human, who are we going to get to decide what's sub human, and what is an expression if sexual freedom.

There is no one I would trust with such a responsibility, and its not a responsibility I would undertake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard women in saudi aren't classed as humans yet btw, they have recently gained mammal status from object status though.

Not sure if this is actually true or some comedy story i came across. Can't tell the difference with the news these days.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

All law is flawed because of its reliance of humans, so to make "sub human behavior" more punishable, it would be open to all kinds of biased interpretations.

Great post....

Although in my mind a sub-human act is something that doesn't involve a process where the perpetrator succumbs to a temptation that others manage to resist.

To me sub human behaviour is a act of cruelty that is carried out without any feeling of wrong doing or remorse.....

But your last paragraph could so easily be describing bdsm, and that only involves sub human behavior, if you do it right

There are sections if society that would treat what we do here at fab towers as sub human, who are we going to get to decide what's sub human, and what is an expression if sexual freedom.

There is no one I would trust with such a responsibility, and its not a responsibility I would undertake."

But surely a sub-human act doesn't require the perpetrator to consult with anyone or behave in a way that acknowledges they use a thought process that controls their actions based on a risk assessment where they've considered the implication of carrying out their act of cruelty .

To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Confucius say:

"He who stirs shit may end up licking spoon."

*intones head gravely and bows*

C'mon man..... if you want a ((((Hug)))) I'll give you one..... but you'll have to settle for that until I've had a good look at your cock.....

PMSFL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw a punk band called sub human back in the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I saw a punk band called sub human back in the day

I thought i would share that with you all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All law is flawed because of its reliance of humans, so to make "sub human behavior" more punishable, it would be open to all kinds of biased interpretations.

Great post....

Although in my mind a sub-human act is something that doesn't involve a process where the perpetrator succumbs to a temptation that others manage to resist.

To me sub human behaviour is a act of cruelty that is carried out without any feeling of wrong doing or remorse.....

But your last paragraph could so easily be describing bdsm, and that only involves sub human behavior, if you do it right

There are sections if society that would treat what we do here at fab towers as sub human, who are we going to get to decide what's sub human, and what is an expression if sexual freedom.

There is no one I would trust with such a responsibility, and its not a responsibility I would undertake.

To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

And this is my point, that is your take on what it would mean to.be sub human, that may differ from the opinion if Joe blogs, or Ann Other, so to have the term used in law, it would have to have a clear, and universal definition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy "

Sociopaths actually justify what they do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy "

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy "

A definition or the absolute definition..?

I imagine this is one of those situations where it's much easier to define what something isn't, rather than define what something actually is,,,

But hey as the song says..... there are more questions than answers.....

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Using the wrong cutlery at meals.

Yes, they should be shot, ground up and used to mulch the borders."

Which, the people or the cutlery.

And how about those that use the right cutlery but hold it the wrong way?

Or even worse hold it in the wrong hand. People who hold their fork in their right hand and spoon in their left when eating their dessert make my blood boil. ESPECIALLY when it's not their cutlery but mine.

grrrrr

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

A definition or the absolute definition..?

I imagine this is one of those situations where it's much easier to define what something isn't, rather than define what something actually is,,,

But hey as the song says..... there are more questions than answers.....

*A* definition...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?"

Personality disorder. Mental illnesses can be cured or improved, personality not so much.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

Personality disorder. Mental illnesses can be cured or improved, personality not so much."

It's been reclassified along with Antisocial personality disorders (ASPD)

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"I once toyed with an idea of writing an article about the use of "sub-human" terminology by politicians and political pundits and how it shapes our perceptions of anyone "other."

Listen to politicians speak and see how often they use such terminology to stir anger or support.

It's propoganda."

As so often, I do actually agree with you but, don't you think, sometimes we should just go along with the lighthearted natural of a thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

Personality disorder. Mental illnesses can be cured or improved, personality not so much.

It's been reclassified along with Antisocial personality disorders (ASPD)"

Reclassified as what?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?"

We don't allow mad dogs to roam the streets...... and when it reaches a point where it becomes cruel to safely keep a mad dog locked away we humanly destroy the dog to prevent it suffering...

A man in Norway who has shown no signs of remorse for his cruel behaviour is protesting the conditions of his incarceration are inhuman....

What do we do.....do we make him suffer.... ?

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

Being a single guy messaging a couple

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

Personality disorder. Mental illnesses can be cured or improved, personality not so much.

It's been reclassified along with Antisocial personality disorders (ASPD)

Reclassified as what?"

As part of the ASPD 'family'

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I once toyed with an idea of writing an article about the use of "sub-human" terminology by politicians and political pundits and how it shapes our perceptions of anyone "other."

Listen to politicians speak and see how often they use such terminology to stir anger or support.

It's propoganda.

As so often, I do actually agree with you but, don't you think, sometimes we should just go along with the lighthearted natural of a thread?

OMG..... nooooooooo speak your mind.... no-one should restrict the sort of content they want to post......

It only works because people say the most amazing things and everyone who posts say something amazing......

Be amazing......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

Personality disorder. Mental illnesses can be cured or improved, personality not so much.

It's been reclassified along with Antisocial personality disorders (ASPD)

Reclassified as what?

As part of the ASPD 'family'"

Oh right, thought you was saying something different to what i was saying. Which is probably why i didn't understand you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

We don't allow mad dogs to roam the streets...... and when it reaches a point where it becomes cruel to safely keep a mad dog locked away we humanly destroy the dog to prevent it suffering...

A man in Norway who has shown no signs of remorse for his cruel behaviour is protesting the conditions of his incarceration are inhuman....

What do we do.....do we make him suffer.... ?

Wouldn't that make us sub human, unless if course we have already decided he's sub human, and therefore not entitled to human rights.

Hmmm, not entitled to human rights, sounds like apartheid, segregation, the holocaust, it's a a slippery slope when we start do decide who can and who cant have rights

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

Personality disorder. Mental illnesses can be cured or improved, personality not so much.

It's been reclassified along with Antisocial personality disorders (ASPD)

Reclassified as what?

As part of the ASPD 'family'

Oh right, thought you was saying something different to what i was saying. Which is probably why i didn't understand you."

I'm not convinced of the ASPD category, personally. It's very broad, open to subjective diagnosis and stigmatises sufferers

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

People who dont give thank you waves whilst driving are sub-human. Same for people who queue jump.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To me sub human simply means carrying out acts of cruelty without any feeling of emotion or justification ...

That's a definition of sociophathy

That's a good point, sub human behavior, or mental illness?

Personality disorder. Mental illnesses can be cured or improved, personality not so much.

It's been reclassified along with Antisocial personality disorders (ASPD)

Reclassified as what?

As part of the ASPD 'family'

Oh right, thought you was saying something different to what i was saying. Which is probably why i didn't understand you.

I'm not convinced of the ASPD category, personally. It's very broad, open to subjective diagnosis and stigmatises sufferers "

I'm sure a lot of people are diagnosed wrongly anyway, because symptoms overlap, and the way people present themselves to doctors/professionals can blur/hide the real personality as well.

Complex-PTSD has very similar symptoms as bipolar disorder for example, one isn't a personality trait though and one is.

I've mainly generalised people with PDs as harmful to others and oblivious to that fact or do not care that they're harmful and they are usually the cause of someone elses mental ilnesses, but mental illnesses don't tend to harm other people just the person suffering with it.

I do think it's a valid category. I also think if you start to think of people with ASPDs as the same as you then it doesn't make sense, and maybe they were the same but have just shut down emotionally and refuse to open up again, idk. Is a lot more complicated than i'm saying though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Soxy my brain hurts!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Soxy my brain hurts!"

Oop's....

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not convinced of the ASPD category, personally. It's very broad, open to subjective diagnosis and stigmatises sufferers

I'm sure a lot of people are diagnosed wrongly anyway, because symptoms overlap, and the way people present themselves to doctors/professionals can blur/hide the real personality as well.

Complex-PTSD has very similar symptoms as bipolar disorder for example, one isn't a personality trait though and one is.

And yet they've lumped schizoid personalities in with it... and that's also a huge, unwieldy, unhelpful category... imo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not convinced of the ASPD category, personally. It's very broad, open to subjective diagnosis and stigmatises sufferers

I'm sure a lot of people are diagnosed wrongly anyway, because symptoms overlap, and the way people present themselves to doctors/professionals can blur/hide the real personality as well.

Complex-PTSD has very similar symptoms as bipolar disorder for example, one isn't a personality trait though and one is.

And yet they've lumped schizoid personalities in with it... and that's also a huge, unwieldy, unhelpful category... imo "

Yeah, good point. That is a personality trait so i do get why they've done that but it is mostly a harmless one to others, and probably even harmless to yourself now i think about it.

I'm tending to agree with you that we need better categories. I'm not sure how would be best to categorise though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does picking your nose and eating it count?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Does picking your nose and eating it count?"

Absolutely.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does picking your nose and eating it count?

Absolutely.....

I'm surrounded by sub-humans

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Does picking your nose and eating it count?

Absolutely.....

I'm surrounded by sub-humans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Saw a documentary on Heinrich Himmler yesterday,don't think there's a word to describe that man...Subhuman comes close.

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