FabSwingers.com forum: Cuts to ESA and PIP

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Going to impact a lot of ill people who need help..

The ESA (Employment Support Alowence) will effect people in the WRAG (Work Related Activity Group) but £30 a week. This brings it inline with JSA (Job Seekers Allowence).

PIP (Personal Independence Payment)will have stricter criteria meaning if you need to use an aid to get dressed or with toileting needs you will only score 1 point instead of the 2 that it is currently. People can claim PIP and still be able to work. The main issue regarding PIP is that its a passport benefit to claim other things such as Carers Allowance or Severe Disability Premium.. Meaning people could lose out of £115 per week.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I don't get this decision as ESA and pip are benefits that are given to people that can't work due to illness. I know that people take the piss but the genuine outweigh the piss takers. It's going to have a huge impact across the board

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Already happened to someone I know finished from work on medical reasons etc but then gets help and support etc for few month but then all of sudden money goes down no explanation or anything the people that need the help don't seem to get it there's loads out there that no how to screw the system and get away with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

dont know how I did it but managed to get get low rate mobility PIP without assesment. there are some horror stories around about the assesments. I am so lucky, plus I was honest with the forms and it matched what my Dr said

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Its a really hard application process to go through.. how anyone can get through it that doesnt deserve or need help i dont know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"dont know how I did it but managed to get get low rate mobility PIP without assesment. there are some horror stories around about the assesments. I am so lucky, plus I was honest with the forms and it matched what my Dr said"

Wow, well congratulations. Not heard of anyone getting it without assessment before :D

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

It penalises some of the least able.

More cuts to come, I'm afraid

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?"

Across the board

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?"

From everyone I think

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?

Across the board "
so if you've already been allocated the money they will just cut it with no further assessment?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?

Across the board so if you've already been allocated the money they will just cut it with no further assessment?"

Basically

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?

Across the board so if you've already been allocated the money they will just cut it with no further assessment?"

Yeah happened recently to someone I know they have appealed the decision so

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?

Across the board so if you've already been allocated the money they will just cut it with no further assessment?

Yeah happened recently to someone I know they have appealed the decision so "

Think people can ask for a Mandatory Reconsideration by the DWP and if that fails its Tribunal at a local magistrates court where a verdict will be given.

Its a tough process to get these benefits and now with these cuts its a horrendous process to go through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?

Across the board so if you've already been allocated the money they will just cut it with no further assessment?

Yeah happened recently to someone I know they have appealed the decision so

Yeah it ain't easy at all. It's the people who screw the system and seem to get it that don't seem to get any cuts and then the ones who do deep down need it that get the help but then it's stopped for some reason

Think people can ask for a Mandatory Reconsideration by the DWP and if that fails its Tribunal at a local magistrates court where a verdict will be given.

Its a tough process to get these benefits and now with these cuts its a horrendous process to go through. "

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Well it doesn't make sense. If you have to reapply for ESA (work related) every year why don't they wait till your claim is renewed and as for the pip if the changing the score on the points are they going to go through everyone's claim again to see what they scored on and altered it?

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Got to get money from somewhere to help the migrants settle in why not take it off the vulnerable who have worked and paid taxes for many year,s easy option

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

On social media ive seen all kinds of pie charts/ graphs showing where the Gov looses money and cant help but thinking they are making cuts in the wrong sections.. if the Gov were to pursue tax fraud they'd get more money back than by making these cuts

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Never use information posted on faceache as fact...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a sad thing that people are losing benefits that they are entitled to, especially when there are people getting them that aren't.

I don't get how people with mental health issues are getting pip, but people with physical disability are getting it taken away, because their mobility is restricted, I'm not saying that people with mental health issues shouldn't get it, but surely those with impaired mobility should get it too, maybe I don't know enough about it, but tests how it links to someone on the outside

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well it doesn't make sense. If you have to reapply for ESA (work related) every year why don't they wait till your claim is renewed and as for the pip if the changing the score on the points are they going to go through everyone's claim again to see what they scored on and altered it?"

ESA is a straight cut to money regardless. It will mean people in the WRAG will be £30 a week worse off. Makes them on the same money as people claiming Job Seekers

DLA no longer exists and throughout the country there have been thousands of re assesments to transfer people to PIP.

With PIP a person needs 8 points for Daily Living. This is made up of several criteria. Two of those criteria will now change to lesser values, making it harder to achieve the 8 points needed.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Got to get money from somewhere to help the migrants settle in why not take it off the vulnerable who have worked and paid taxes for many year,s easy option "

You do know that migrants are not eligible for benefits they have to meet a certain criteria to be eligible stop blaming immigration on why the benefits are being cut

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Never use information posted on faceache as fact..."

i understand that, but even programs on tv have suggested similar..

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Never use information posted on faceache as fact...

i understand that, but even programs on tv have suggested similar.. "

Channel 5 by any chance?

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

Mr Osborne needs to find money to pay for the tax cuts which will benefit the wealthy....same old tory story with different names..Yet we have little credible opposition..Wealthy more likely to vote than the poor and will vote for the party that best serves their interest, so change is a long time coming

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's a sad thing that people are losing benefits that they are entitled to, especially when there are people getting them that aren't.

As someone who knows the process fairly well i feel mental health and physical health both have equal chances of getting the help needed.

I feel that physical disability are easier to prove and score more.

On the PIP application itself the last section is MOBILTY and you need to score 8 points to get standard rate, or 12 or higher rate which entitles a claimant to receive a car.

If you google 'PIP Criteria and Points' you'll get a better idea

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Never use information posted on faceache as fact...

i understand that, but even programs on tv have suggested similar..

Channel 5 by any chance? "

No was on This Morning

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I think it's a shit downright vile thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a sad thing that people are losing benefits that they are entitled to, especially when there are people getting them that aren't.

As someone who knows the process fairly well i feel mental health and physical health both have equal chances of getting the help needed.

I feel that physical disability are easier to prove and score more.

On the PIP application itself the last section is MOBILTY and you need to score 8 points to get standard rate, or 12 or higher rate which entitles a claimant to receive a car.

If you google 'PIP Criteria and Points' you'll get a better idea "

Ok that makes sense now, I thought it was all about mobility, still a bit shit to cut those benefits though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's a shit downright vile thing to do. "

It sure is no help for our own etc but will help others out etc something not right yes I know new immigrants etc have to hit a criteria but what about before all that it's wrong

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I think it's a shit downright vile thing to do.

It sure is no help for our own etc but will help others out etc something not right yes I know new immigrants etc have to hit a criteria but what about before all that it's wrong "

"Our own"? I'm born to immigrant parents does that not make them any less entitled? My mum doesn't have a British passport? Stop blaming immigration for this.

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

"Is this for new claimants or are they going to take money away from those already on it?

Across the board so if you've already been allocated the money they will just cut it with no further assessment?

Yeah happened recently to someone I know they have appealed the decision so

Think people can ask for a Mandatory Reconsideration by the DWP and if that fails its Tribunal at a local magistrates court where a verdict will be given.

Its a tough process to get these benefits and now with these cuts its a horrendous process to go through. "

I think the whole court thing is a pain in the arse. Had to go through it twice with my ex to get him esa and dla.

The assessments are shite and the people doing them don't know anything about anything. At least not the ones I've seen. In fact the woman who did my assessment didn't even write anything down while I was there. And my paperwork got lost because they sent it back to be filled out properly and completely (without me there), then it got sent back to the wrong place...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not blaming imagination for all this sorry if offended but with working in an environment were I see these things happen then yeah it's a small cause to it. Take the government etc they take from ppls benefits that are entilited to it but then change policies etc a family comes over from Syria/Iraq etc they get the support help they need what about the ppl in this country first surely that is wrong nothing against ppl coming to the uk my parents ain't English either so totally get what your saying

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Got to get money from somewhere to help the migrants settle in why not take it off the vulnerable who have worked and paid taxes for many year,s easy option

You do know that migrants are not eligible for benefits they have to meet a certain criteria to be eligible stop blaming immigration on why the benefits are being cut "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the whole court thing is a pain in the arse. Had to go through it twice with my ex to get him esa and dla.

I feel sorry for the claimants with Mental Health issues who get turned down and cant face the whole Tribunal process to fight for what should be rightly theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This hits a nerve personally, my mum relies on a wheelchair and is now 90% blind due to diabeties. She claims and my stepdad is her carer, they struggle now so who knows what it will be like in time. Think the nail on the coffin was when they told my mum she was fit enough to work whilst on a morphine pump and threatened to stop her benefits x

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By *imon and saffyCouple
over a year ago

southampton

Disgusting attack on those with need.

This from a group of greedy egomaniacs who have subsided restaurants, bars and clubs, huge expenses, a generous salary (with recent massive increase) and who have had their fingers caught in the till.

Then we have to listen to them telling us we're all in this together.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I'm not blaming imagination for all this sorry if offended but with working in an environment were I see these things happen then yeah it's a small cause to it. Take the government etc they take from ppls benefits that are entilited to it but then change policies etc a family comes over from Syria/Iraq etc they get the support help they need what about the ppl in this country first surely that is wrong nothing against ppl coming to the uk my parents ain't English either so totally get what your saying "

You are blaming immigration people are fleeing war torn countries because the west is bombing the shit out of their country....the whole benefit chaos is not bloody down to immigration...immigrants are not entitled to benefits when they first come over to here and they are not entitled to work and they are not entitled to housing.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Got to get money from somewhere to help the migrants settle in why not take it off the vulnerable who have worked and paid taxes for many year,s easy option "

Its nothing to do with migrants, its an ideological and an economical decision from the government who thinks that the state should be smaller, do less, and reduce taxes so that you can decide what to do with your tax money, rather than a larger tax bill and the government decides.

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By *ophiasChoiceWoman
over a year ago

ystrad mynach

"Disgusting attack on those with need.

Then we have to listen to them telling us we're all in this together."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This hits a nerve personally, my mum relies on a wheelchair and is now 90% blind due to diabeties. She claims and my stepdad is her carer, they struggle now so who knows what it will be like in time. Think the nail on the coffin was when they told my mum she was fit enough to work whilst on a morphine pump and threatened to stop her benefits x"

I hope you appealed that and went to tribunal

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *p to playMan
over a year ago

swad

Yea got cancer had me leg amputated on ESA & pip struggling like hell plus no body wants to meet me eather

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

"It's a sad thing that people are losing benefits that they are entitled to, especially when there are people getting them that aren't.

Those with mental health problems are being squeezed too. Just for info the care and mobility parts are seperate, you have always had to have been severely impaired to get high rate mobility, I.e if you have legs forget it. I have lots of clients with severe mental health disabilities many are very vulnerable but yes some just take the piss and spent it on booze fags and drugs. It's a hard call but £30 a week is a huge cut to these people, many of my clients will go out and rob to make up the difference.

By all means deal with benefit fraud, it's theft simple as but do something with tax dodging companies and self employed.

How can a guy who runs his own business drive a fancy BMW have three holidays a year to exotic locations on minimum wage, pay no NI contributions all legally, same thing to me and don't get me started on Starbucks et al!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a look who voted for and approved these cuts (mant times because it's taken a few times for this to get pushed through), many of them work for disability and mental health charities or represent them.

I don't know why people are surprised this is happening, it happened last time they were in. They fucked over everyone.

So long as they get their £88 a week pay rise, they don't care.

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

Is this really going to save any significant amount of money overall anyway?

It's not as if this money disappears into some kind of black hole - it gets spent - and when it gets spent the government collects vat, and it goes towards someones wages at the place it was spent - on which the government collects PAYE - and so on and so on.

The whole notion of reducing the deficit by reducing spending doesn't make any sense to me at all, because all that achieves is removing money from the economy which only compounds the deficit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is this really going to save any significant amount of money overall anyway?

The whole notion of reducing the deficit by reducing spending doesn't make any sense to me at all, because all that achieves is removing money from the economy which only compounds the deficit.

I agree. I do think it's more about sending a message to people and that message is that if you can't work, or are unable to, then you're useless and not worth supporting.

I mean.. they always act like you are disabled and can't work, or you are not disabled and can work, and this isn't the case at all. Black and white thinking, no mention of grey areas in between r that disabled workers may need support.

It is better for the economy to have actual money and transactions going through it. And people on benefits are more likely to spend their money here and keep it here, whereas the wealthy and their off shore tax shit and that...

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I don't know enough about it.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's easy to take money from those who need it the most. The most vulnerable don't have the collective voice or means to complain. Except perhaps at the next election.

It's a dire situation when the queen gets a 7.5% increase and the disabled get money taken away.

Fucking sick, I call it.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Disgusting attack on those with need.

Then we have to listen to them telling us we're all in this together."

We are all in it together!

Had you not noticed that the national MINIMUM wage has suddenly become the national LIVING wage, that the threshold where higher rate income tax and inheritance tax becomes payable are being doubled.

Call Me Dave and George did tell us all that the job of government was to transfer as much wealth from the majority to the governments supporters as possible without causing a revolution.

Seems to me that they are very good at doing just that!

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I see the vehement Torys who tend to post with fervour are not defending these cuts. Indefensible, that's why.

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By *inzi LTV/TS
over a year ago

The Garden of Eden in Beautiful North Wales

"Going to impact a lot of ill people who need help..

The ESA (Employment Support Alowence) will effect people in the WRAG (Work Related Activity Group) but £30 a week. This brings it inline with JSA (Job Seekers Allowence).

It's easy, kill the piss takers and give the genuine people more.

Problem solved.

They'll be no one left in my village!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-disability-campaigner-quits-sabotages-7570599

might cheer you up a bit, i love a personal protest myself. i'm a bit sad he's not gonna be supporting other disabled people but i totally get why he did this.

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

Is anyone surprised?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to impact a lot of ill people who need help..

The ESA (Employment Support Alowence) will effect people in the WRAG (Work Related Activity Group) but £30 a week. This brings it inline with JSA (Job Seekers Allowence).

Conservative policy. Only ever cater for the super rich. They aere messing with the benefits for the most needy, when they shouild be taxing the companies that are evading billions.And what is all this old bollocks about schools being academies ? It's a huge con. There will still be good schools and not so good schools.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Disgusting attack on those with need.

Then we have to listen to them telling us we're all in this together.

We are all in it together!

Had you not noticed that the national MINIMUM wage has suddenly become the national LIVING wage, that the threshold where higher rate income tax and inheritance tax becomes payable are being doubled.

Call Me Dave and George did tell us all that the job of government was to transfer as much wealth from the majority to the governments supporters as possible without causing a revolution.

Seems to me that they are very good at doing just that!"

Their new "incentives" to help the poorest people save, are nothing short of a joke. What don't they get ? If you are on very low income, you are living hand to mouth. How the fuck can dangling a carrot make it easier to save ?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I have just gone onto PIP after being forced to give up work on health grounds.I could have claimed while working but would not as it was against my principles.

The people in need should get this but if you can do a full time job this should not be available.If this was done there would be more money for those with real needs,the system is wrongly set up in my _iew.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Its a really hard application process to go through.. how anyone can get through it that doesnt deserve or need help i dont know. "
Very true,I have just gone through it

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"Mr Osborne needs to find money to pay for the tax cuts which will benefit the wealthy....same old tory story with different names..Yet we have little credible opposition..Wealthy more likely to vote than the poor and will vote for the party that best serves their interest, so change is a long time coming"

He also needs £23 Billion a year to pay our contribution to the EU and foreign aid.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I disagree with you on this one.. there are jobs out there for the disabled. If a person was in full time work i might question it, however if they can only last half a day and that is because they are restricted by physical/mental health issues then PIP can be a 'top up' ..

If you can't work full stop, thats where ESA comes in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just gone onto PIP after being forced to give up work on health grounds.I could have claimed while working but would not as it was against my principles.

I don't completely agree with you on the 'if you can work' thing, although i'm not arguing your own circumstances and how you run your life obviously.

Disability aids cost money, you're still less likely to become employed if disabled therefore more likely to be on benefits longer which runs a higher risk of being in poverty. Maybe some days you struggle with walking and need a taxi to get to work...could give loads of examples of the extra expenses.

These benefits weren't exactly brought out because the disabled can't work, it was for the extra expenses that disability brings and to help them become included in a society that used to very much exclude them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was on ESA as waiting for a crainiotomy, fifteen months off work,on £73 a week took them five months to tell me I could supplement by working 16hrs a week on zero hours contract. Used all savings and reserves, stuff this gov and the EU. get out of both of them, bloody leeches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just gone onto PIP after being forced to give up work on health grounds.I could have claimed while working but would not as it was against my principles.

I don't completely agree with you on the 'if you can work' thing, although i'm not arguing your own circumstances and how you run your life obviously.

if you are ESA you cannot claim any other benefits, contrary to supposition, there is no benefit street, just months of worry and pressure. Worked every day for 34 years and never claimed anything, would have been better of putting my NI contribution into a bank.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have just gone onto PIP after being forced to give up work on health grounds.I could have claimed while working but would not as it was against my principles.

I don't completely agree with you on the 'if you can work' thing, although i'm not arguing your own circumstances and how you run your life obviously.

yeah i know. it's why i always correct people on what the benefits are for, they're for extra expenses that the disabled have over able bodied people. and to help stop them going into poverty.

this country is a pile of shit lately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ESA is a straight cut to money regardless. It will mean people in the WRAG will be £30 a week worse off. Makes them on the same money as people claiming Job Seekers

DLA no longer exists and throughout the country there have been thousands of re assesments to transfer people to PIP.

With PIP a person needs 8 points for Daily Living. This is made up of several criteria. Two of those criteria will now change to lesser values, making it harder to achieve the 8 points needed. "

Its sad news to all these in need, very sad news

what is a ESA

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

This is total bullshit if you ask me. Many many ppl claim this need it for extra help etc. Take mental health or the elderly, how many lives will this cost?

The way this was pushed through was so wrong as well. The tried twice and twice it was rejected. It should never have been allowed

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The conservative government figures show pennies in the pound errors - these shameful cuts are just another onslaught against the vulnerable and those without resources for contingency issues.

Those psychopathic leaning individuals who don't care about others should almost lose the right to live in any decent manner for the rest of their lives - when deciding that this is the right way to treat people.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

My heart and thoughts go out to those affected by these changes. They deserve far, far better than this.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Got to get money from somewhere to help the migrants settle in why not take it off the vulnerable who have worked and paid taxes for many year,s easy option "

Some have never worked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Tory London Mayoral candidate has been forced to resign in shame as patron of Richmond AID after he backed £30 a week cut to disability benefits

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

You have to laugh at how stupid they think we are, earlier this year they announced 1billion extra would be put into mental health, they did not say that wont be until 2020 I believe it is. Then they cut ESA by £30 a week.

Yup they really live in the real world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Email all or some of the above, regardless

From the news tonight, it seems they might have a fight on their hands, all other parties oppose this and a good few Tories themselves are opposing it, so if it goes to a vote, it may get kicked out

regardless, if everyone takes 3 or 10 minutes to write to MP and oppose this, it will help, the more people that stand against it the better

you never know, we may be disabled ourselves in the future, or friends and family, its about time everyone rallied support

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pip you can claim in work. My payments are fixed till 2019 had to through appeals being treated like a criminal it was horrid. I am back working now only part time but get wages topped up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to add I went for my medical and provided I can touch my nose, my toes and carry a medium size hand bag I was capable of work and not one question was asked about my mental health and they did not want to see any of my medical records or letters from doctors. My claim should of never have gone to court. Plus the waiting time just to see if you are eligible is just ridiculous. I have gone back to work and have let the relevant people and I work around my illness x

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

"Just to add I went for my medical and provided I can touch my nose, my toes and carry a medium size hand bag I was capable of work and not one question was asked about my mental health and they did not want to see any of my medical records or letters from doctors. My claim should of never have gone to court. Plus the waiting time just to see if you are eligible is just ridiculous. I have gone back to work and have let the relevant people and I work around my illness x"

You clearly was extremely unlucky and your not alone I know that much but not all you say is correct.

I get ESA PiP and Severe disability premium. The job centre advised me to go in the support group for ESA, I've never been assessed for that. PiP I get for my mental health, mainly because of PTSD and EUPD, I was assessed for that and could not have had a nicer DR assess me. That was 3 years ago and never been called back to see them. Last year I split from my partner and they sorted severe premium for me, because no one gets carers allowance for me.

I know of some terrible stories but for me they have been brilliant. Whether that's because I have history of self harming and an overdose I don't know but I can't fault them

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I wish people would put their two pence in the thread with what I say than in a PM...just saying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It penalises some of the least able.

More cuts to come, I'm afraid "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop the government from slashing disabled benefits; the petition is in the forum lounge, hope you all take a few moments to sign

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

According to question time this has not actually been passed yet and still may not go ahead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My best friend has already had too go through the whole reassessment and Tribunal issue for his mental illness a few years ago with the original DLA, and is currently in the process of going through his PIP assessment, the original decision last time was a farce and i am dreading the same again when he has his personal assessment on Tuesday, at least this time they come and visit him.

Sadly i have a sinking feeling he will have too go through the whole Tribunal process again, (last time a board of a judge, doctor and councillor unanimously sided with him upon seeing him in person) in fact they upped his benefits, but the system is set up against the vulnerable in society, and without friends babysitting him through the process he would likely have ended up on the streets and not done anything about it simply because he felt it was hopeless and pointless to appeal.

This government has penalised and demonized those most in need, tarring them with the same brush as the chancers and layabouts who abuse the system, the same people who would abuse and manipulate any alternative system get away with it and those truly who need the support suffer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to question time this has not actually been passed yet and still may not go ahead "

they're only saying that because it's unpopular.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"According to question time this has not actually been passed yet and still may not go ahead

they're only saying that because it's unpopular."

I agree but I hope its the start of face saving before a u turn.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

NUMBER CRUNCHING

£30 - weekly amount government is cutting from ESA for disabled people to 'incentivise' them to get jobs.

10% - amount government has cut from corporation tax to give companies 'confidence' that 'Britain is open for business'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not just on benefits that disabled people are affected, although my daughter doesn't seem to fall foul of this new legislation... However her last year of school and for college has seen funding cut for many things.

Taxis to and from school. Last year parents had to start contributing if they stayed on in 6th form (children have to stay in some form of education till they are 18)

This year the taxi is being cut completely.... There youth club has been closed... The funding for help with fitness has gone and a day centre has only stayed open due to fund raising. Its going to head back to where disabled people get stuck in their homes as there will be nothing.

She needs a carer with her while out at all times. Had to fight for that help for her to go to a special college

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a mixed opinion about this type of politics. One of my neighbours is an elderly blind lady. She has a full time job working for the police. I have the upmost respect for her and think she is a fine example of no matter how bad your illness or disablement if you really WANT to work and do something with your life. It is possible

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

And while we're at it...

£4bn - annual cuts George Osborne made in the budget, which he described as 'not a huge amount in the scheme of things'.

£0.4bn - amount George Osborne raised from the bedroom tax, which he described as 'only fair' and necessary 'in the current climate.'

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Good to know that politicians don't play politics with people's lives

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a mixed opinion about this type of politics. One of my neighbours is an elderly blind lady. She has a full time job working for the police. I have the upmost respect for her and think she is a fine example of no matter how bad your illness or disablement if you really WANT to work and do something with your life. It is possible"
shows how little you know. There are plenty of children at my daughters school that can not do anything for themselves... Its not always about wanting to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not taking about children

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By *onnybag69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

I agree with the governments policy on disability cuts I think there's to many people sponging off the state for illnesses they don't have and the blue badge scheme thats another fiddle and needs stoping

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not taking about children"
they grow up you know...and then as an adult still cant do anything without help.... So as I said... Not all people with disabilities can work no matter how much they may want to.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Oh yeah?

Based on what?

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Oh yeah?

Based on what?

"
Please do tell us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It isn't easy to get a blue badge. You don't just rock up to your local council and ask for one. You have to have a disability and diagnosis has to be backed up by your GP, or in my case, my Neurologist. I have MS and I was turned down the first time I applied for one. Same applies now to any disability benefit. It is a very long and stressful process to get any help.

I didn't ask for this. I was really healthy until 4 yrs ago. I worked full time as a chef doing hefty hours. I long to be right back there in the kitchen. I loved my job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree there are many people children and adults alike that are incapable of looking after themselves let alone capable of working. Of course these people need extra support and entitled benefits etc. But there are also many people that can look after themselves on a daily basis. So why are these people not capable of working ? This is not a attack on anyone it is only my opinion based on my experience. I came on here to swing and get laid not to get drawn into a debate about government funding. Wtf with these forum threads haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to question time this has not actually been passed yet and still may not go ahead

they're only saying that because it's unpopular.

I agree but I hope its the start of face saving before a u turn."

i'd almost, but not really, prefer for it to go through so that the effects of this happen and nobody forgets what they did to the most vulnerable people in society.

although they did the same thing 20 years ago and everyone forgot so maybe that would be pointless also.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

"I agree with the governments policy on disability cuts I think there's to many people sponging off the state for illnesses they don't have and the blue badge scheme thats another fiddle and needs stoping"
Has already mentioned on this thread its the layabouts, wasters, louts, criminals if yer like that add to this pressure of trying to get under the radar undetected and while ever their here they,ll keep adding to the pressure, when on a course operated by the council close to 25 years ago now me and a few others along with a driver/boss were sent out to peoples homes to maintain their gardens it was a hurried affair task force in nature for £10 on top of your dole money a week it should of been a £100 Instead of £10 a week the way we worked, 4/5 months of that but the point I,m comeing to is is that when people wanted their gardens doing by phoneing up and registering disabled or in some other way "many" of those after checks were found to be ok and able so were taken off the list then... It was around 10 years later when I was a carer for my mum and working but also on a carers allowance to I thought about those times, we covered a large area around derby when doing such gardens but even so if this was painting a picture broadly of a census of such cheats and (only those who signed on) or tried to on a national scale (most likely worse) in some areas of the country and that was then I wonder what the numbers would be now..

I know we moan about the Immigrants but the ones that want to work and live somewhere I,d replace these with the layabouts and cheats etc and send thee others to the far east where they can try the same tactics over there..

problem solved (well perhaps not totally) but just another _iew as i have no feelings for layabouts and the like thou sorry for the kids (some) and youngsters.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

a lot dont help themselves either...some live such unhealthy lifes etc that they put a lot of pressure on their bodies that they wonder sometimes why they get such problems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've not read every answer to this thread as it would take me all day but my tuppence worth

I an currently on ESA Work Group.

I do voluntary work 2 days a week at my local CAB and deal with Welfare Benefit claims everyday.

Before going off sick I worked part time for an acting agency and appeared in a few short films and documentaries.

Many of the TV programmes you see regarding benefits and mainly scroungers etc are in fact actors in realty shit telly. I have appeared in two such programmes highlighting a fake family with 10 kids on the Dole. I in fact was a Senior Manager working at the time a the acting was a hobby I did as a sideline.

So do not believe all you watch on Dispatches or Benefits Britain as they are fake films trying to wind up the public ad it's working.

Yes cuts to benefits are not new News. The government is scrapping JSA, ESA, PIP etc and replacing them with Universal Credit. Unfortunately those great minds that plucked UC out of the skies haven't worked out yet how to apply it.

A pilot project has been operating for a year or so which they claim is a success considering they Post Code they are using is a very affluent Toryland area with zilch unemployment.

Starting to roll out across the rest if the country but only for NEW SINGLE CLAIMS FOR WHAT WAS JSA. They haven't worked out the changes to ESA or PIP yet and won't do for another couple of years.

As for immigrants........they're not entitled to ANYTHING until they have been here a certain length of time and I'm talking years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i'm worried about a family member. they've been on DLA for a while now. they used to work then had a nervous breakdown.

now they're giving voluntary work a go. and been nervous for ages about it, nothing to do with money but because of their mental state and if they're capable of working a job.

can't help but worry their benefits will be cut for trying to work and sort their life out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i'm worried about a family member. they've been on DLA for a while now. they used to work then had a nervous breakdown.

now they're giving voluntary work a go. and been nervous for ages about it, nothing to do with money but because of their mental state and if they're capable of working a job.

can't help but worry their benefits will be cut for trying to work and sort their life out."

They're DLA will change soon to PIP. With PIP and ESA they can still work albeit there are limitations. I know for a fact if you are on the Work Group ESA you are allowed what is called Permitted Work this allows you to work up to 16hrs a week as long as you earn no more than £107 within that week.

If like me you are a single person in that group and only receiving £73.10 a week benefit that permitted work is a lifeline

If your friend is on DLA tell then to visit their local CAB office and ask for a Benefit Check. Usually they will receive a combination of DLA and ESA with Housing Benefit and Council Tax Reduction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i'm worried about a family member. they've been on DLA for a while now. they used to work then had a nervous breakdown.

now they're giving voluntary work a go. and been nervous for ages about it, nothing to do with money but because of their mental state and if they're capable of working a job.

can't help but worry their benefits will be cut for trying to work and sort their life out.

If like me you are a single person in that group and only receiving £73.10 a week benefit that permitted work is a lifeline

If your friend is on DLA tell then to visit their local CAB office and ask for a Benefit Check. Usually they will receive a combination of DLA and ESA with Housing Benefit and Council Tax Reduction "

this is volunteering so they won't get paid. but yeah i know if they consider you capable of work (even voluntary) then this can affect benefits.

i'm gonna let them enjoy their first week and then add this stress onto them next week so they make sure they're sorted. it's also possible they've considered it themself and already sorted it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Going to impact a lot of ill people who need help..

The ESA (Employment Support Alowence) will effect people in the WRAG (Work Related Activity Group) but £30 a week. This brings it inline with JSA (Job Seekers Allowence).

Shocking state of affairs if your ill it's very difficult to get and stay in a regular job.If it's a passing illness fine you have a chance for things to improve but if it's an ongoing problem that is limiting your chances of ever supporting yourself because your too ill to work your now destined to a future of poverty.Claiming PIP is an option but the criteria is rediculously engineered for you to fail after a major enquiry was undertaken the test was pronounced to be not fit for purpose,sadly the government chose to ignore this.Private profit driven companies have been hired by the governent to do the medical acessments and given targets to cut 40% of PIP claiments.Since these cuts have been in place well over 2000 vunerable people have died after having their money cut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals

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By *antonkid1955Man
over a year ago

cardiff

Having been medically retired from a well paid job I have loved doing for over 20 years..and been assessed by both Capita and Atos who upheld my company's decision..I was awarded ESA pending an assessment by the American company Maximus..who stated.."they have glanced at my medical reports".. Consequently the DWP informed me that as I could self mobilise a wheelchair to the jobcentre I must therefore claim jobseekers allowance. When I asked them why I would CHOOSE leave a well paid job to go on the dole they said that I only always go through the Mandatory Reconsideration process which is specifically designed to be intimidating..IDS and his henchmen should be in the dock other Old Bailey for what they're doing to the genuine sick and disabled of this country.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals "

sad that the initial health care professionals cant do their job properly in the first place..

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over a year ago

"Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals

sad that the initial health care professionals cant do their job properly in the first place.. "

They assessors aren't medical professionals.

I just helped put a claim in for PIP for someone and i put on the form we're happy to go to an assessment with a medical professional, so they're kind of fucked now seeing as they don't have them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals

sad that the initial health care professionals cant do their job properly in the first place..

They assessors aren't medical professionals.

I just helped put a claim in for PIP for someone and i put on the form we're happy to go to an assessment with a medical professional, so they're kind of fucked now seeing as they don't have them."

physiotherapists and nurses are..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals

sad that the initial health care professionals cant do their job properly in the first place..

They assessors aren't medical professionals.

I just helped put a claim in for PIP for someone and i put on the form we're happy to go to an assessment with a medical professional, so they're kind of fucked now seeing as they don't have them.

physiotherapists and nurses are.."

do they have them? i got someone coming over later, i'm gonna pick their brain about some stuff as well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals

sad that the initial health care professionals cant do their job properly in the first place..

They assessors aren't medical professionals.

I just helped put a claim in for PIP for someone and i put on the form we're happy to go to an assessment with a medical professional, so they're kind of fucked now seeing as they don't have them.

physiotherapists and nurses are..

do they have them? i got someone coming over later, i'm gonna pick their brain about some stuff as well."

my esa and pip assesments were done through ATOS and one was a nurse.. the other a physiotherapist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals

sad that the initial health care professionals cant do their job properly in the first place..

They assessors aren't medical professionals.

I just helped put a claim in for PIP for someone and i put on the form we're happy to go to an assessment with a medical professional, so they're kind of fucked now seeing as they don't have them.

physiotherapists and nurses are..

do they have them? i got someone coming over later, i'm gonna pick their brain about some stuff as well.

my esa and pip assesments were done through ATOS and one was a nurse.. the other a physiotherapist"

that's good. i really didn't think they used anyone qualified.

i'm also looking forward to the assessment too, thanks.

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By *antonkid1955Man
over a year ago

cardiff

"Over 50% of PIP claimants who fail assessment win appeals at Tribunals

sad that the initial health care professionals cant do their job properly in the first place..

They assessors aren't medical professionals.

I just helped put a claim in for PIP for someone and i put on the form we're happy to go to an assessment with a medical professional, so they're kind of fucked now seeing as they don't have them.

physiotherapists and nurses are.."
....the physiotherapist who assessed me for the American company Maximus,,completely disregarded all and every piece of supporting evidence from my medical professionals. Including my consultant Physiotherapist.. She seemed to believe that she was above the consultant..I was advised by a friend to bring a claim of assault against her and Maximus for the unnecessary pain and suffering she caused me by manipulating my knees and hips. If she had read my consultants report she would have had no need to assault me.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"I agree there are many people children and adults alike that are incapable of looking after themselves let alone capable of working. Of course these people need extra support and entitled benefits etc. But there are also many people that can look after themselves on a daily basis. So why are these people not capable of working ? This is not a attack on anyone it is only my opinion based on my experience. I came on here to swing and get laid not to get drawn into a debate about government funding. Wtf with these forum threads haha"

Government official research shows fraud etc at sub 1% levels. It is misdirection to focus on insignificant trivia like that.

Most people with disabilities are stuck with a system that has been under attack for years and doesn't suitably recognise the more invisible disabilities, like mental health problems. All whilst benefits in general have been cut. Most want to or do work or are supported by unpaid carers. We have virtually no mental health community services.

We have moved on from Bedlam but many attitudes haven't.

Divide and conquer the government, where they are clearly working against us and totally wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The assessors from either Capita or ATOS do not make the decision. They simply conduct the assessment and it gets sent to the DWP with all your evidence you sent in and the questionnaire you originally sent in.

With PIP you can request to see a copy of the report. It helps your case if a Mandatory Reconsideration is required

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Thats right! We need destitute people on our streets for the police to arrest the courts and imprison to free up property for foreign millionaires to buy up and leave empty while they gain value before cashing in and trowsering their profits after a quick double irish and dutch sandwich before paying the new lower rich tax!

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

I didn't ask for this. I was really healthy until 4 yrs ago. I worked full time as a chef doing hefty hours. I long to be right back there in the kitchen. I loved my job. "

I don't disagree with the blue badge scheme, but I do think that parking spaces under the scheme shouldn't be free... blue badge spaces are the closest to facilities, and that's what they're for... not to get free parking.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I see the vehement Torys who tend to post with fervour are not defending these cuts. Indefensible, that's why. "

Anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't ask for this. I was really healthy until 4 yrs ago. I worked full time as a chef doing hefty hours. I long to be right back there in the kitchen. I loved my job.

I don't wholly disagree with that, although not all car parks are free parking for the disabled. But I think we should pay less because it takes a disabled person much longer to do things compared to yourself.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

IDS has quit has secretary for work and pensions.......

which says to me the cuts were due more to the treasury than the DWP

political grenade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't ask for this. I was really healthy until 4 yrs ago. I worked full time as a chef doing hefty hours. I long to be right back there in the kitchen. I loved my job.

I believe the whole free parking concept is going to be phased out. Apparently, the only reason it was introduced was because wheel chair users found it extremely difficult to use the pay and display machines, which is fully understandable. Because it is now possible to pay by other means, they are phasing free parking out in some areas. I believe Cornwall being one area affected.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Didnt realise there was such a thing as free parking.. Before i handed my badge back id always paid in car parks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The emotional reaction to cuts in PIP is obvious. Protect those in need.

However, I have little idea about the amount that people receive, so cannot really form an opinion.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I didn't ask for this. I was really healthy until 4 yrs ago. I worked full time as a chef doing hefty hours. I long to be right back there in the kitchen. I loved my job.

Many councils charge for blue badge holders to park, such as Derby. The politics of envy might work if grounded in some facts.

As so many charities for the disabled have highlighted, life under this government has created a hell for many thousands of disabled people. That includes the many who have committed suicide since their changes.

Shame on IDS, a subhuman immoral excuse for a person.

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

"I think it's a shit downright vile thing to do.

It sure is no help for our own etc but will help others out etc something not right yes I know new immigrants etc have to hit a criteria but what about before all that it's wrong

"Our own"? I'm born to immigrant parents does that not make them any less entitled? My mum doesn't have a British passport? Stop blaming immigration for this. "

Agree with you on everything being blamed on the migrants

And the government.

There is a pot and only so much in it, why dont people vent their anger at the fraudsters feigning illness under the last government?.

There are genuine people that cannot work for various reasons of disability, and if they put my tax up a bit to support the elderly,infirm and disabled people id have no grudge with that.

It would help if anybody who knows people that are fraudently claiming, to shop them, then there might be more money for the genuine.

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By *oole2010Couple
over a year ago

southampto

"I see the vehement Torys who tend to post with fervour are not defending these cuts. Indefensible, that's why.

Anyone?"

Because they are indefensible, not every tory will agree with this, even if they did vote tory.

Just as every labour supporter doesnt agree with the removal of trident.

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over a year ago

"I see the vehement Torys who tend to post with fervour are not defending these cuts. Indefensible, that's why.

Anyone?

Because they are indefensible, not every tory will agree with this, even if they did vote tory.

Just as every labour supporter doesnt agree with the removal of trident."

What do people get paid? What will the change be? Until I know, I can't decide.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those."

I think the point being made is that they ALL have true need otherwise they wouldn't have got the PIP/DLA whatever in the first place. It's taking money from the most vulnerable and giving it to those who don't need it, that is what sticks in my craw.

Brave, you say? They are gonna have to get a damn sight braver to life with less money. Their fight will get more difficult too. Why do it? Honestly? Why not take money from those who can afford it rather than those who can't?

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over a year ago

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures."

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Got to get money from somewhere to help the migrants settle in why not take it off the vulnerable who have worked and paid taxes for many year,s easy option "

Just raise the taxes and pay the disabled AND the migrants AND the work-shy

I should have been a loony left politician

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to. "

Yet another post without any figures.

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over a year ago

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those."

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to.

Yet another post without any figures."

Figures and statistics can be manipulated. It's the principle I'm opposed to. Taking from the poor to give to the rich. Even if it's a penny, it's not the right thing to do.

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over a year ago

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to.

Yet another post without any figures.

Figures and statistics can be manipulated. It's the principle I'm opposed to. Taking from the poor to give to the rich. Even if it's a penny, it's not the right thing to do. "

I think I am going to give up.

I entirely agree that it appears shit.

Until I know what people are paid and in what circumstances, how the fook can I judge whether a reduction is in order?

It must just be me.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I don't for one second think ALL will be, the majority YES, the small minority abusing the system, NO

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to.

Yet another post without any figures."

Here are some figures for you:

Taken from the governments own figures.

Last year the exchequer raised £32 billion from capital gains tax from £114 billion. The reduction of the CG rate from 28% to 20% will cost £10 billion on the same taxable £114 billion. And that just happens to be how much has been cut from the welfare budget.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Just remember, folks, your need of disability support might be a car crash on Monday away. You might change your mind then.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Figures and statistics can be manipulated. It's the principle I'm opposed to. Taking from the poor to give to the rich. Even if it's a penny, it's not the right thing to do. "

I don't know the stats off the top of my head the the amount of money list in benefit fraud is relatively small, and a lot is related to housing or household make up.

There is no excuse for making the lives of those already struggling even harder.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Figures and statistics can be manipulated. It's the principle I'm opposed to. Taking from the poor to give to the rich. Even if it's a penny, it's not the right thing to do.

I don't know the stats off the top of my head the the amount of money list in benefit fraud is relatively small, and a lot is related to housing or household make up.

There is no excuse for making the lives of those already struggling even harder."

Lost*

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Just remember, folks, your need of disability support might be a car crash on Monday away. You might change your mind then. "

In my case, a tube crash or eating myself to death. I can't avoid the tube crash

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over a year ago

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to.

Yet another post without any figures.

Here are some figures for you:

Taken from the governments own figures.

That was not what I was asking.

What does a disabled person recieve?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Just remember, folks, your need of disability support might be a car crash on Monday away. You might change your mind then.

In my case, a tube crash or eating myself to death. I can't avoid the tube crash"

Are you disabled through a tube crash?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you define 'wealthy' for us and tell us exactly how those 'wealthy' are being 'benefited' and what 'tax cuts' they are getting as a result please?

And if there is no effective Opposition then blame the Labour Party for failing to make themselves a credible Government in 2 elections and then swerving off further to the Left.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to.

Yet another post without any figures.

Here are some figures for you:

Taken from the governments own figures.

That was not what I was asking.

What does a disabled person recieve?"

That depends on how disabled they are, but it is easy to look up just type how much does a disabled person get on ESA and PIP into google and look for the government website link.

After all your not in need of any assistance or you would already be getting ESA and PIP.

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By *onnybag69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

disabled people seem to always want something for nothing they lose a leg they want a car and all the trimmings a wheelchair and use of public transport is beneath some people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see people are asking for facts and figures. There is a website (I cannot give the link) but it is called 'Benefits and Work' (without the spaces!). It is wonderfully anti-Tory but does have some of the facts. The changes from the 2015 Budget that are coming in over the next few months are:

SOCIAL HOUSING

Rents in social housing sector to be reduced by 1% a year for the next four years. Social housing tenants who earn more than £40,000 in London or £30,000 outside London will be forced to pay the market rent for their home.

HOUSEHOLD BENEFITS CAP

The household benefit cap will be lowered from £26,000 nationally to £23,000 in London and £20,000 in the rest of the UK.

WORKING AGE BENEFITS

Working age benefits to be frozen for 4 years. PIP, DLA and ESA support group excluded from freeze.

ESA

ESA Work-related activity group . For future claimants only, ESA WRAG will be paid at same rate as JSA. Osborne says: "No current claimants will be affected by this change"

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

......"Can you define 'wealthy' for us and tell us exactly how those 'wealthy' are being 'benefited' and what 'tax cuts' they are getting as a result please?...."

A) no, google it

B) they pay a disproportionate amount of tax on their income than a less 'wealthy' person, therefore they benefit from tax increases.

C) capital gains tax reduction....it was a major part of the recent budget.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a Conservative voter and I said above, I don't know the details of this so won't comment.

But as always, help with people with true need. There are certainly some very brave people fighting illness/disability. I wish them well

I hope it can be amended to help those.

I agree with the emotional reaction. I am just waiting for someone to give me financial information. Come on, folks. You can't denigrate the policy without figures.

I can. It's an immoral policy that is unnecessary. I'd rather we lost a trident missile than disabled people suffer even more than they need to.

Yet another post without any figures.

Here are some figures for you:

Taken from the governments own figures.

That was not what I was asking.

What does a disabled person recieve?

That depends on how disabled they are, but it is easy to look up just type how much does a disabled person get on ESA and PIP into google and look for the government website link.

After all your not in need of any assistance or you would already be getting ESA and PIP.

Tried that. No luck. I do appreciate that it would depend on the extent of the disability.

Until I know how much someone might receive, I cannot decide whether a reduction is a fascist move or a reasonable move. Just call me stupid.

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over a year ago

"Last year the exchequer raised £32 billion from capital gains tax from £114 billion. The reduction of the CG rate from 28% to 20% will cost £10 billion on the same taxable £114 billion. And that just happens to be how much has been cut from the welfare budget."

Capital Gains Tax (CGT) is not a tax on just the wealthy as you infer. And it is shame you didn't give the whole story. Higher rate taxpayers had their CGT rate reduced on some, not all, amounts from 28% to 20%. Standard rate taxpayers had their CGT rates reduced from 18% to 10%. So any reductions are a benefit for ALL taxpayers regardless.

Capital gains below a set level, currently £11,100 per year, are tax-free. The most common ways to avoid CGT on investments are “tax wrappers” such as individual savings accounts (Isas) or pensions, where gains are CGT-free.

Basic Rate income taxpayers are now liable for CGT at 10 per cent while those on higher rates of income tax pay 20 per cent. There are higher rates for gains made on the sale of residential investment properties and "carried interest" - a mechanism used in the remuneration of some highly paid investment managers. In these cases the rates have remained at 18% for basic rate payers and 28% for higher rate payers.

For more detailed info try here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tax/capital-gains/capital-gains-tax-how-much-will-you-pay/

And in relation to your figures:

Capital Gains Tax

The Budget documents show that the government estimates the changes to CGT will cost it some £600m a year from 2017-18 onwards.

The Allowance currently stands at £11,100, and the tax as a whole brought in £5.6bn to the government in the 2014-15 tax year up from £3.9 Bn in 2013-14.

The old higher rates will still apply to gains on the sale of a residential property that is not your main home (such as a second home or a buy-to-let property), and also to "carried interest" - the jargon name for profits made by executives in private equity investment firms.

I confess I copied this from:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35824456

So I am not sure where you got your figures of £32 Bn from let alone £114 Bn. Can you give us a source and help us please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......"Can you define 'wealthy' for us and tell us exactly how those 'wealthy' are being 'benefited' and what 'tax cuts' they are getting as a result please?...."

A) no, google it

B) they pay a disproportionate amount of tax on their income than a less 'wealthy' person, therefore they benefit from tax increases.

C) capital gains tax reduction....it was a major part of the recent budget. "

A) That doesn't answer the question it avoids it. Without an agreed definition all arguments are subjective. Agreed?

B) I am not sure how anyone benefits from a tax increase? And what tax increases?

C) Everyone who pays Capital Gains Tax benefited from the reductions as both rates were reduced: 28% to 20% (with exceptions) for higher and top rate taxpayers (a 28.6% reduction) and 18% to 10% for Standard Rate taxpayers (a 44.4% reduction). So where exactly did the 'wealthy' gain disproportionately?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Just remember, folks, your need of disability support might be a car crash on Monday away. You might change your mind then.

In my case, a tube crash or eating myself to death. I can't avoid the tube crash

Are you disabled through a tube crash? "

I guess I would be, if there was one. I can't avoid travelling on the tube

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see the vehement Torys who tend to post with fervour are not defending these cuts. Indefensible, that's why.

Anyone?"

So let me get this right: If a Tory disagrees with something they are by definition 'vehement' but if its a Leftie or Labour supporter they are not. And by assumption 'reasonable'? Correct me if I am wrong.

And not all Tories agree with everything a Tory Government does. I personally think Cameron has taken the wrong position on the EU entirely. Other agree with him. In fact I would say backbench Tory MPs are renowned rebels as we have seen recently. So that is some assumption you made.

As for this policy I think many of here have misrepresented both the 2015 and this last Budget and its effects. Now I am in no way saying the changes to bring in PIP have been well done. They clearly haven't but in all this people fail to mention the thousands of disabled people who were supported back into work and have the pride and self respect that brings. And the same IDS that is being called a 'cunt' and 'scum' and similar is the same man who has overseen the biggest employment rate in all sections of society especially the Disabled, young and women. What about the work to tackle 'problem families' and the huge success there? Families that have had generations on Welfare are now seeing a wage packet.

If we are going to have a debate at least lets have a debate on the WHOLE (excuse the shouting) Welfare, Work and Pensions subjects. Which was after all IDS' responsibility.

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

I am one of the people who will be affected by these cuts, I am NOT able to go out to work. I could and have stated I could and would happily work from home but there just is not the vacancies for me to do this.

As for IDS I have no feelings towards him, his job in my opinion is a very hard one as he is always going to the to take the brunt of the moans. What I will say is he went up in my expectations after his resignation letter and the passing dig at the PM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?"

£102.15 FFS; sorry, ESA per week

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?"

I'm mid shag.....wait a bit longer.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?

I'm mid shag.....wait a bit longer.

The rate just went up to £114.85 max; keep shaggin'

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

Stephen Crabb who has taken over from IDS has said the proposed cuts will NOT go ahead, he made sure of this before he accepted the job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stephen Crabb who has taken over from IDS has said the proposed cuts will NOT go ahead, he made sure of this before he accepted the job "

Only because he#d be stoned to death if he ever went out in public if the cuts went ahead.

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over a year ago

"Stephen Crabb who has taken over from IDS has said the proposed cuts will NOT go ahead, he made sure of this before he accepted the job

Only because he#d be stoned to death if he ever went out in public if the cuts went ahead.

he actually voted for the cuts.

Stephen Crabb also voted against the Equality Act of Sexual Regulation Orientation 2007, which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

Loyal to the Conservative Party, Stephen Crabb, the new Department of Work and Pensions Secretary, has a strong record of voting in support of his predecessor's controversial cuts to welfare benefits.

He replaced Iain Duncan Smith, who resigned after saying the planned cuts to disability benefits were "not defensible" in a Budget that benefited higher-earning taxpayers.

Toeing the party line, Mr Crabb has not rebelled once since the General Election last May, according to The Public Whip, a not-for profit organisation which compiles the votes of each member of Parliament.

Welfare

When it comes to welfare, Mr Crabb rigorously backed IDS's benefits cuts.

He supported the introduction of the so-called bedroom tax, universal credits and the controversial disability benefit, the Personal Independence Payment (PIP).

He voted not to increase welfare benefits in line with inflation and against prolonging the benefit payment of those unable to work because of a disability or illness.

Stephen Crabb criticised for links to 'gay cure' group Top Tories producing 'tide of drivel' ahead of EU vote, says Johnson.

Stephen Crabb: The new Work and Pensions Secretary

In 2013, Mr Crabb voted to cap the total amount of welfare benefits an individual can claim at £350 for a single person and £500 for couple per week.

He also supported to cut universal credits for many people in paid work, not to exclude child benefit from the benefit cap and to reduce the number of people claiming tax credits.

Lords reform

Mr Crabb voted twice against his party's majority to reform the House of Lords. In 2007, he agreed to remove hereditary peers from the House of Lords and in 2012, he voted in favour of introducing elected peers and establishing a 15 year terms for most members.

Assisted dying and equality

He has consistently opposed allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life and voted against the Equality Act of Sexual Regulation Orientation 2007, which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

Defence

On foreign policy and defence, Mr Crabb is in favour of replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapon system and he repeteadly voted to use UK forces in military operations overseas, including continued intervention in Afghanistan in 2010 and supporting UK air-strikes against Isis in Syria.

During the Coalition Government in 2010, Mr Crabb was an assistant whip, ensuring his peers voted along the party line, and he attended more than 80 per cent of all votes held in the House of Commons.

Drugs and abortion

The few times the new Work and Pensions Secretary rebelled include opposing the reclassification of cannabis from a Class C drug to Class B and objections to requiring independent advice be made available to women requesting an abortion.

Tax

Consistently voting in favour of raising the threshold at which people start paying income tax, he also backed reducing corporation tax and scrapping the Education Maintenance Allowance in England, which financially support 16 to 19-year-olds to study, whose parents' taxable income is below a certain level.

Between 2005 and 2010, Mr Crabb defied his own party whip 10 times, according to The Public Whip.

ain't google and freedom of information great.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?

I'm mid shag.....wait a bit longer.

The rate just went up to £114.85 max; keep shaggin'"

There. Finished. Good grief! A man has been appointed whilst I've been fucking!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?

I'm mid shag.....wait a bit longer.

The rate just went up to £114.85 max; keep shaggin'

There. Finished. Good grief! A man has been appointed whilst I've been fucking!

Gosh; you must be one of them 'alfa'-males; that lasted well over a minute

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?

I'm mid shag.....wait a bit longer.

The rate just went up to £114.85 max; keep shaggin'

There. Finished. Good grief! A man has been appointed whilst I've been fucking!

Gosh; you must be one of them 'alfa'-males; that lasted well over a minute

A goodly 50 minutes if you look at the post timings

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

Oh I'm fully aware of his past votes, I think this was always going to happen after the outcry this caused.

But knowing this lot they will hit the ESA/Disabled another way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you know that an MP can claim for children from an ex partner who live in the second home,for a certain amount of time per year. I wonder if that is capped at 2 children and what they are actually claiming for. I'm too tired to find out but someone got told off and has to pay back £11,000 for telling porkies about his children in his second home.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Oh FFS can someone just tell me what they get?

I'm mid shag.....wait a bit longer.

The rate just went up to £114.85 max; keep shaggin'

There. Finished. Good grief! A man has been appointed whilst I've been fucking!

Gosh; you must be one of them 'alfa'-males; that lasted well over a minute

A goodly 50 minutes if you look at the post timings

I am impressed; a time-traveller too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stephen Crabb who has taken over from IDS has said the proposed cuts will NOT go ahead, he made sure of this before he accepted the job

Only because he#d be stoned to death if he ever went out in public if the cuts went ahead.

he actually voted for the cuts.

Stephen Crabb also voted against the Equality Act of Sexual Regulation Orientation 2007, which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

He replaced Iain Duncan Smith, who resigned after saying the planned cuts to disability benefits were "not defensible" in a Budget that benefited higher-earning taxpayers.

Welfare

When it comes to welfare, Mr Crabb rigorously backed IDS's benefits cuts.

He supported the introduction of the so-called bedroom tax, universal credits and the controversial disability benefit, the Personal Independence Payment (PIP).

He voted not to increase welfare benefits in line with inflation and against prolonging the benefit payment of those unable to work because of a disability or illness.

Stephen Crabb criticised for links to 'gay cure' group Top Tories producing 'tide of drivel' ahead of EU vote, says Johnson.

Stephen Crabb: The new Work and Pensions Secretary

In 2013, Mr Crabb voted to cap the total amount of welfare benefits an individual can claim at £350 for a single person and £500 for couple per week.

He also supported to cut universal credits for many people in paid work, not to exclude child benefit from the benefit cap and to reduce the number of people claiming tax credits.

Lords reform

Assisted dying and equality

Defence

Drugs and abortion

Tax

Between 2005 and 2010, Mr Crabb defied his own party whip 10 times, according to The Public Whip.

ain't google and freedom of information great.

Not to be trusted. Any of them. All self serving hypocrite. I have always said it, that the real crime, is the too money earners who fiddle their taxes, expenses etc. The money lost through fraudulent benefit and dodgy asylum seekers is but a piss in the ocean.

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over a year ago

It's clearly just a smokescreen for something else they have in mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's clearly just a smokescreen for something else they have in mind. "

Indeed. Nothing's been dropped, just put on the back burner so to speak. The arseholes would sell their grandmother.

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london

"The Tory London Mayoral candidate has been forced to resign in shame as patron of Richmond AID after he backed £30 a week cut to disability benefits

Thank you for drawing my attention to this fact

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london

"Stephen Crabb who has taken over from IDS has said the proposed cuts will NOT go ahead, he made sure of this before he accepted the job

Only because he#d be stoned to death if he ever went out in public if the cuts went ahead.

he actually voted for the cuts.

Stephen Crabb also voted against the Equality Act of Sexual Regulation Orientation 2007, which outlaws discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

He replaced Iain Duncan Smith, who resigned after saying the planned cuts to disability benefits were "not defensible" in a Budget that benefited higher-earning taxpayers.

Welfare

When it comes to welfare, Mr Crabb rigorously backed IDS's benefits cuts.

He supported the introduction of the so-called bedroom tax, universal credits and the controversial disability benefit, the Personal Independence Payment (PIP).

He voted not to increase welfare benefits in line with inflation and against prolonging the benefit payment of those unable to work because of a disability or illness.

Stephen Crabb criticised for links to 'gay cure' group Top Tories producing 'tide of drivel' ahead of EU vote, says Johnson.

Stephen Crabb: The new Work and Pensions Secretary

In 2013, Mr Crabb voted to cap the total amount of welfare benefits an individual can claim at £350 for a single person and £500 for couple per week.

He also supported to cut universal credits for many people in paid work, not to exclude child benefit from the benefit cap and to reduce the number of people claiming tax credits.

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Assisted dying and equality

Defence

Drugs and abortion

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Between 2005 and 2010, Mr Crabb defied his own party whip 10 times, according to The Public Whip.

ain't google and freedom of information great.

Indeed, animal lovers don't work in abatoirs.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

......"So let me get this right: If a Tory disagrees with something they are by definition 'vehement' but if its a Leftie or Labour supporter they are not. And by assumption 'reasonable'? Correct me if I am wrong....."

You're wrong. Read what I said. And in previous posts too. No point in taking what I say out of context in a futile attempt to belittle my _iews.

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over a year ago

As the IDS Resigns Thread got too big I hope this helps this discussion. I doubt the more extreme on here will change _iews but I found it interesting to see the one person vilified and abused in the most crude ways on here actually speak for the less well off and those in need and how the current direction of travel is wrong. And do so in a very passionate way. And again lets remind ourselves this is the man that funded a charitable Think-Tank for 8 years to understand why people fall through the safety net, get left behind and are dispossessed of pride and self respect. All before before entering Government. Something I am not too sure many others, and certainly not the pole climber Crabbe, have or would have done.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03nd95b

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over a year ago

"......"So let me get this right: If a Tory disagrees with something they are by definition 'vehement' but if its a Leftie or Labour supporter they are not. And by assumption 'reasonable'? Correct me if I am wrong....."

You're wrong. Read what I said. And in previous posts too. No point in taking what I say out of context in a futile attempt to belittle my _iews. "

Where did I 'belittle your _iews'? And where was it 'out of context'? I asked a simple question as I found the expression 'vehement Tories' slightly insulting to be honest as I am a lifelong Tory and will always be so. And it intrigued me why someone on the Right of politics has to be 'vehemently' whatever they are but the same label isn't attached to those on the Left.

Personally I could happily apply the word 'vehement' to the Trotskyites now inhabiting great swathes of the Labour Party but I would never label ALL Labour supporters like that....

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Haha last word and close

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And further to the above I actually made a lengthy reply to your comments asking to widen the discussion to all of IDS' responsibilities. I am sorry you chose a few words to then make a false assumption. How about the wider discussion? Did it not fall within your pre-conceived _iews? Again these are questions and nothing more.

And to remind you what I said in closing earlier:

" If we are going to have a debate at least lets have a debate on the WHOLE (excuse the shouting) Welfare, Work and Pensions subjects. Which was after all IDS' responsibility. "

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