FabSwingers.com forum: Top Gear in trouble again

By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

It's the middle of London, for gods sake. It's not a cemetery!

Closed roads and permits granted.

And the main complainant? Col. Richard Kemp. (His name may be Richard but he prefers Dick) getting his name in the papers every chance he can. (It's good for the book sales old boy)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Presumably to be able to film driving in central London they had to get a range of permissions first which were granted?

No, they shouldn't be prosecuted, that's ludicrous.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Hove, mainly…

They had permission and were 40 metres away. A V8 in a reliant if you ask me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted "

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Hangings too good for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left "

Top Gear existed before them, and continues to do so after. Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left?

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By *eauNaturelMan
over a year ago

Malmesbury

London is one of the worlds most iconic film-sets but, With this latest event and the out-cry over the 'blowing-up' of a double decker bus for a Jackie Chan film it would seem that London is in danger of becoming a locked-down city as far as film and TV is concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

Top Gear existed before them, and continues to do so after. Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left? "

the difference is; people still watch Dr Who

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left "
brilliant

tbh I didn't even know it started back up, won't watch it without big jezza

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Top gear has form for trying to film in stupid places though, a few years ago a little girl went missing, and while the search teams were still looking for her (or at that stage her body) the producers tried to get permissions to film there, it was a high profile case and was on the news every day.

Thankfully, the BBC are not as powerful ad the people of small Welsh towns, it was disgusting

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

I was never a fan of clarkson but b was an avid watcher when it was on.

Are they just following the same format as the previous TG.

I've no dout the presenters are good at what they do but they seem to have been picked randomly with no "gel" between them.

The Oaf, Captain Slow and the Hamster did make the show.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

Top Gear existed before them, and continues to do so after. Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left? "

It's a valid point - I'm going to start watching the show now Clarkson has left, got far too big for his boots. The people who talk about chemistry make me laugh, the main three on the previous shows also had to start somewhere, the new one hasn't even been aired yet. Surely it's worth just watching it anyway, unless there's a multitude of better options available?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another over reaction promoted by the papers, was shot with a very long lense to make it look a lot closer that it actually was.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Seems like it will be as appallingly crap as the last lot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted "

Pure propaganda, just to keep them in the headlines.

Not a sincere reply Mr Evans, you are supposed to be leading the team. Will not watch this one as I didn't the last.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

Top Gear existed before them, and continues to do so after. Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pure propaganda, just to keep them in the headlines.

Exactly; the show will be a flop

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

I was a bit of a fan of the old TG and will miss it.

I will watch the new one and having seen the enthusiasm Evens puts into his car fest events im pretty sure it will be good.

Can not for the life of me understand those who are saying they refuse to watch the new TG through some kind of loyalty to the old team. Very odd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left? "

No - not for me - he was the original, the only Dr Who...

But that's an entirely different thread...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

Top Gear existed before them, and continues to do so after. Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left?

Yeah precisely, I'm sure out of the two co hosts and six regular guests they'll aim to get it right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they should scrap it its not going to be the same without the terrible 3some

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By *he Ladies of the ManorCouple
over a year ago

Swansea - Guildford

A deliberate outrageous publicity stunt . It has worked. They are no doubt pleased

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tbh, I thought the last lot were complete immature dicks, so myself is looking forward to the new show..

Give it a chance guys..

Harry

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

" Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left?

No - not for me - he was the original, the only Dr Who...

But that's an entirely different thread...

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peter Cushing never gets the credit he so deserved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

Top Gear existed before them, and continues to do so after. Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left?

the difference is; people still watch Dr Who

You do know why no one is watching the new Top Gear?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was a bit of a fan of the old TG and will miss it.

I will watch the new one and having seen the enthusiasm Evens puts into his car fest events im pretty sure it will be good.

Can not for the life of me understand those who are saying they refuse to watch the new TG through some kind of loyalty to the old team. Very odd. "

Exactly! I can't get my head around this 'no way I'm watching Top Gear ever again! I'm off to Amazon to watch the new show ..'

Er, you know you can actually watch and (hopefully) enjoy BOTH you know! You don't have to take sides!

I'll watch the new TG and give it a go, if it's rubbish I'll stop watching, if it's good I'll continue to watch.

Some people hey?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted "

Nothing could matter less than what they did. Knee-jerk offence culture strikes again.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Nothing could matter less than what they did. Knee-jerk offence culture strikes again. "

This, this, and then this some more.

Why are people so very desperate to be offended these days?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing could matter less than what they did. Knee-jerk offence culture strikes again.

This, this, and then this some more.

Why are people so very desperate to be offended these days?"

People love it...Look in here.

People are offended and annoyed at something all the damned time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I'm not looking forward to he new tg...just because of Evans. I've never liked anything he's in because of him...he just grates on my nerves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Soon there will be so much offense taken and righteous indignation expressed about everything and anything, that everyone will do nothing for fear of becoming the next pariah.

Creativity, ingenuity and individualism will be the first to be sacrificed.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Chris Evans has just issued a statement stating it does look offensive and shots around the cenotaph should not be broadcast

Fair play to the guy

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Yeah, I thought he handled it very well. Didn't try to make excuses, simply said that based on the pics it didn't look good and apologised to anyone offended.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Chris Evans has just issued a statement stating it does look offensive and shots around the cenotaph should not be broadcast

Fair play to the guy"

He kinda has to or someone will write a blog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Chris Evans has just issued a statement stating it does look offensive and shots around the cenotaph should not be broadcast

Fair play to the guy"

No, not fair play, a PC version of top gear will be a disaster. I don't like cars much, couldn't stand the character Clarkson played, but loved the guilty fart joke level humour. It was viz for tv. a pc version of Viz doesn't appeal much.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Don't get your argument?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

At the point someone is offended that someone apologised in case they caused offence we have hit my the fucking limit of credulity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the point someone is offended that someone apologised in case they caused offence we have hit my the fucking limit of credulity. "

I could go further and be offended at your frustration at my mock offense

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

At the point someone is offended that someone apologised in case they caused offence we have hit my the fucking limit of credulity.

I could go further and be offended at your frustration at my mock offense

How offensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the point someone is offended that someone apologised in case they caused offence we have hit my the fucking limit of credulity.

I could go further and be offended at your frustration at my mock offense

I'm offended by mock offense, how dare you make light of someone else's real offense which will cause them deep psychological trauma, I'm so triggered right now.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

At the point someone is offended that someone apologised in case they caused offence we have hit my the fucking limit of credulity.

I could go further and be offended at your frustration at my mock offense

I'm offended by mock offense, how dare you make light of someone else's real offense which will cause them deep psychological trauma, I'm so triggered right now."

We got a mate to code for me a device which blocks anyone who uses Trigger in that context.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Am I bovver'd?

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph. "

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

nope, it was a transit full of dungeon equipment mostly

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Funny to see Chris Evans appearing on BBC news at 1 taking the blame and apologizing for a stunt that was obviously planned and ordered by the producers. I seem to remember Clarkson having to do the same thing at least once every series after he sold production rights to the BBC. I wonder how long it will be before we hear that they (the producers) are forcing their new presenters to deliver 'clever' lines that make the presenters look like bigoted tossers?

I find this whole episode farcical and proof that Clarkson was set up by the production team.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

nope, it was a transit full of dungeon equipment mostly"
not really the same thing is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the old guys looking down from above are having a bloody good time.

This isn't desecration or disrespect, no.

That honour belong to the fucker who urinated on the monument and tore down wreaths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did prefer top gear before it went over the top with the stunts and stuff!!

G x

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

nope, it was a transit full of dungeon equipment mostlynot really the same thing is it?"

i really don't see what the problem is here.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

nope, it was a transit full of dungeon equipment mostlynot really the same thing is it?

i really don't see what the problem is here."
that's the problem

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

nope, it was a transit full of dungeon equipment mostlynot really the same thing is it?

i really don't see what the problem is here."
that's the problem

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

nope, it was a transit full of dungeon equipment mostlynot really the same thing is it?

i really don't see what the problem is here. that's the problem "

now you just seem outraged for outrages sake. i'll ask you a direct question. what is the problem with what's happened as regards to the topic of this news story?

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"the same col richard kemp who claims to be able to speak with dead soldiers ... he's clearly barking mad. he's never complained any of the times i've driven down whitehall past the cenotaph.

I'm guessing that you didn't do it with the tyres smoking in the Hoonigan

nope, it was a transit full of dungeon equipment mostlynot really the same thing is it?

i really don't see what the problem is here. that's the problem

now you just seem outraged for outrages sake. i'll ask you a direct question. what is the problem with what's happened as regards to the topic of this news story? "
the problem is acting like a general cunt tearing up the roadway doing burn outs and donuts around, beside and past a memorial for the dead. Is that clear enough?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the point someone is offended that someone apologised in case they caused offence we have hit my the fucking limit of credulity.

I could go further and be offended at your frustration at my mock offense

I'm offended by mock offense, how dare you make light of someone else's real offense which will cause them deep psychological trauma, I'm so triggered right now.

We got a mate to code for me a device which blocks anyone who uses Trigger in that context."

Please share it!

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"the problem is acting like a general cunt tearing up the roadway doing burn outs and donuts around, beside and past a memorial for the dead. Is that clear enough?"

overly dramatic nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted "
its just publicity for top gear to sell their show

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

It upset George Osborne who was apparently trying to write a budget speech and couldn`t concentrate so it was actually all worth it!

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"the problem is acting like a general cunt tearing up the roadway doing burn outs and donuts around, beside and past a memorial for the dead. Is that clear enough?

overly dramatic nonsense"

Which part is overly dramatic nonsense? Ken Block has been at it all over the city filming for top gear this weekend, they have enough footage from tower bridge alone to fill half the programme. There was absolutely no need to film anything anywhere near the cenotaph.

Putting it another way, if Perry McCarthy had done something similar in front of the Washington memorial, he would be coming home in a bodybag.

This goes to show that the producers of TG coming up with these stupid ideas are the problem not the presenters.

I have met him but I cannot stand Chris Evans but like I said earlier, fair play to him for apologising straight away.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Which part is overly dramatic nonsense?

the part where it's somehow outrageous to film a rally car driving around whitehall just because it so happens to have a cenotaph part way along it. nobody is outraged when a towns carnival drives around it's cenotaph or even the hundreds of various towns around the uk that have festivals and fetes with thier cenotaphs in the midst of a d*unken and jubilent throng, or the huge sporting events including various forms of racing that have used whitehall as a route over the past 100 years etc etc. how is this any different? and who cares what they do in america? this isn't america and this is how we roll as a nation.

like i said, overly dramatic nonsense

closely followed by outrage for outrages sake by the overly sensitive.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

overly dramatic nonsense

Putting it another way, if Perry McCarthy had done something similar in front of the Washington memorial, he would be coming home in a bodybag.

This goes to show that the producers of TG coming up with these stupid ideas are the problem not the presenters.

I have met him but I cannot stand Chris Evans but like I said earlier, fair play to him for apologising straight away. "

Seriously though Colgate. Are you offended?

I mean genuinely and truly offended to the core?

Hand on heart, has this actually outraged you?

If it has, might I humbly suggest you need to get some perspective!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Pure propaganda, just to keep them in the headlines.

Exactly; the show will be a flop"

I tend to agree. Who wants to watch some muppet from friends doing burnouts and wheelspins on the streets on London??? Yawn, Is this the best material the clueless Top Gear producers can come up with?

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

By the beach

Alternative headline:

Top Gear Presenters in Acting like Twats Shocker!

I believe that's what is known in the trade as a 'Dog Bites Man' story

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

overly dramatic nonsense

Putting it another way, if Perry McCarthy had done something similar in front of the Washington memorial, he would be coming home in a bodybag.

This goes to show that the producers of TG coming up with these stupid ideas are the problem not the presenters.

I have met him but I cannot stand Chris Evans but like I said earlier, fair play to him for apologising straight away.

Seriously though Colgate. Are you offended?

I mean genuinely and truly offended to the core?

Hand on heart, has this actually outraged you?

If it has, might I humbly suggest you need to get some perspective! "
make arrangements for when you die so I can dance on your grave. It won't offend you will it

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"the problem is acting like a general cunt tearing up the roadway doing burn outs and donuts around, beside and past a memorial for the dead. Is that clear enough?

overly dramatic nonsense

Putting it another way, if Perry McCarthy had done something similar in front of the Washington memorial, he would be coming home in a bodybag.

This goes to show that the producers of TG coming up with these stupid ideas are the problem not the presenters.

I have met him but I cannot stand Chris Evans but like I said earlier, fair play to him for apologising straight away. "

Which part of driving past the cenotaph is offensive? People drive past it all day every day. Is that offensive? If so why?

Many people who drive past it every day break the speed limit. Is that offensive? If so, why?

Was putting enough power through the rear axle of the car such that the rear tyres lost traction and rotated at a faster speed than the car was progressing down the road, was that offensive? If so why?

Was the fact that as the rear wheels were spinning, the driver turned his steering wheel to one side and the car rotated in a circle offensive? If so why?

What have you lost by this happening? What has been taken away from dead soldiers by this happening? Do we respect them less? Have their families lost money? Has their memory disappeared?

Another small fact. This did not happen at the cenotaph. This happened on the same road as the cenotaph, not at it, a long lens camera was able to get a picture of the car and the cenotaph together using lots of zoom and ignoring perspective. So what is the new law, we may not make noise with vehicles near national monuments? When did that become law?

Do you realise you are talking utter reactionary Rubbish which has no basis in either fact or morality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you see the photos of the car conking out and upstaging someone's wedding photos? I'd have been fucked off about that if I was the bride

Chris Evans apologised, seems sufficient for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Storm.

Tea cup.

Low grade media hype.

End of.

(Ex commissioned officer in the British armed forces and am not even slightly offended by someone driving like a 'boy racer' past the cenotaph. Equally not impressed by it, but then I'm not a petrol head).

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"They had permission and were 40 metres away. A V8 in a reliant if you ask me. "

Looking at the tyre marks Sunday evening, I would say a lot less than 40 meters...

Would two British guys be allowed to rip it up around a war memorial in Washington?

I doubt it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

The three musketeers will be back on Amazon prime later in the year with a bigger budget"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They had permission and were 40 metres away. A V8 in a reliant if you ask me.

Looking at the tyre marks Sunday evening, I would say a lot less than 40 meters...

Would two British guys be allowed to rip it up around a war memorial in Washington?

I doubt it..."

Why not? they have blown up the white house repeatedly, if the permits were sanctioned as the BBC ones almost certainly were then there would be no problem with filming. councils receive good money for film permissions. as well as tourist benefits from putting notable buildings into media.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"They had permission and were 40 metres away. A V8 in a reliant if you ask me.

Looking at the tyre marks Sunday evening, I would say a lot less than 40 meters...

Would two British guys be allowed to rip it up around a war memorial in Washington?

I doubt it...

Was just watching press preview on sky news and they talked about this story in tomorrow's papers. I think they said it cost the BBC £100,000 for the filming permits. Obscene waste of BBC licence payers money for a stupid stunt if you ask me, maybe Chris Evans should pay that fee out of his own deep millionaire pockets?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Top Gear was a multi million earner for the BBC, It costs money to make a product you then sell for 8 figure sums.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Top Gear was a multi million earner for the BBC, It costs money to make a product you then sell for 8 figure sums. "

That was the old series. You are assuming the new one will be a success? As others have said it could turn out to be a flop then they won't be selling it to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That they have to make an attempt to save the brand, is a reason to invest more, spending less will certainly kill the product.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

" make arrangements for when you die so I can dance on your grave. It won't offend you will it "

It's not a grave though is it? And no one danced on it did they?

Literally, I couldn't have made up a sentence to better prove my point of your needing to get some perspective if a had tried!

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By *anchestercubMan
over a year ago

manchester & NI

All this fuss over a bit of stone.

The vast majority of people who pass it daily probably don't give it a second thought until one Sunday in November.

There was no need for Evans to apologise, but political correctness demands that he does, so he did.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"All this fuss over a bit of stone.

The vast majority of people who pass it daily probably don't give it a second thought until one Sunday in November.

There was no need for Evans to apologise, but political correctness demands that he does, so he did. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute over reaction from the over sensitive

It's not a cemetery for fuck sake. People drive past it everyday

It's a chance to show off the amazing city and an amazing car for that fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All this fuss over a bit of stone.

The vast majority of people who pass it daily probably don't give it a second thought until one Sunday in November.

There was no need for Evans to apologise, but political correctness demands that he does, so he did.

Lost all respect for evans rolling over belly up like that.what a pussy . Grow a pair and tell the moaners fuck off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unless he stopped for a piss up the cenotaph I can't see what the problem is

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By *nfamyMan
over a year ago

Goole

No publicity is bad publicity.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

If I had been killed in the war, and I could look down on someone having fun around my tomb like they did it would just make me smile, it's not like they were writing graffiti on it.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"If I had been killed in the war, and I could look down on someone having fun around my tomb like they did it would just make me smile, it's not like they were writing graffiti on it. "

Dead folks are dead. They are not on an airship or similar. They don't look down from anywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I ask a some simple questions ? How many of you have seen a dead soldier ? Not in a movie or on the news a real life British Soldier laying dead ? Blood everywhere. Its not like in a movie. You get shot and it pours out. How many of you have had too put corpses in bags ? Sometimes just the parts you can find ? If you have then you will know why this stunt by top gear is so disrespectful. Yes it is central London. Yes cars drive by everyday but at the end of the day it is a monument too all the brave men and women who have given you and me our freedom. Regardless of any individual views on war or the politics or war. They deserve our respect.

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over a year ago

"Can I ask a some simple questions ? How many of you have seen a dead soldier ? Not in a movie or on the news a real life British Soldier laying dead ? Blood everywhere. Its not like in a movie. You get shot and it pours out. How many of you have had too put corpses in bags ? Sometimes just the parts you can find ? If you have then you will know why this stunt by top gear is so disrespectful. Yes it is central London. Yes cars drive by everyday but at the end of the day it is a monument too all the brave men and women who have given you and me our freedom. Regardless of any individual views on war or the politics or war. They deserve our respect."

Irrelevant to what they did

I see dead people.not in a 6TH sense way.in my work. I can't see how what they did could upset anyone apart from the over sensitive looking for something to moan about.

it's a memorial.not a tomb. They drove a car down Whitehall !!

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

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over a year ago

Irrelevant to what they did

I see dead people.not in a 6TH sense way.in my work. I can't see how what they did could upset anyone apart from the over sensitive looking for something to moan about.

it's a memorial.not a tomb. They drove a car down Whitehall !!

They did not drive a car down Whitehall. They ragged a car down Whitehall. Perhaps they should do it again on Nov 11th ?

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

The answer to the first 5 questions is yes.

What they did was not disrespectful in my opinion to any of my fallen colleagues.

Just how far from the memorial would satisfy you??

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

Your talking nonsense. It's not a grave, it's a memorial in a city centre.

And your "I've been to war" top trumps card gives you no more authority to be offended than anyone else.

I have friends remembered by that memorial and to a man, they would laugh their cocks off at this nonsense.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Why was this disrespectful?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shit reporting of a non-story, with lots of exaggeration, followed righteous indignation.

They filmed a car on a street. Drove past a memorial. Hey, this is London. It has lots of history.

A paparazzi camera shot showed the memorial in the background.

They were not dicking about in a car around a war memorial.

Hey let's all come up either ways of exaggerating a non story!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your talking nonsense. It's not a grave, it's a memorial in a city centre.

And your "I've been to war" top trumps card gives you no more authority to be offended than anyone else.

I have friends remembered by that memorial and to a man, they would laugh their cocks off at this nonsense. "

Walter mitty

Ken block went to see some real soldiers and they loved the car and were not offended.

I wonder if someone having sex in a house on Whitehall would offend Walter?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly

every street in London has a memorial . Nothing would happen .we have one in our town. The tour of Britain drove past it. Those Damn cyclist should show some respect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rip of gear more like

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was Blaire protecting our freedom when he invaded Iraq?

Looks like the World is in a much worse mess now

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

They did not drive a car down Whitehall. They ragged a car down Whitehall. Perhaps they should do it again on Nov 11th ?

If they had done this in the middle of the memorial service, or on 11th November then I and I think mist people would agree that this was disrespectful. The thing is they didn't

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Exactly

every street in London has a memorial . Nothing would happen .we have one in our town. The tour of Britain drove past it. Those Damn cyclist should show some respect "

Fucking cyclists. Bet some of them were foreign.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your talking nonsense. It's not a grave, it's a memorial in a city centre.

And your "I've been to war" top trumps card gives you no more authority to be offended than anyone else.

I have friends remembered by that memorial and to a man, they would laugh their cocks off at this nonsense.

Walter mitty

Ken block went to see some real soldiers and they loved the car and were not offended.

I wonder if someone having sex in a house on Whitehall would offend Walter? "

Who's a Walt ? I served in the British Army. In a Infantry Regiment. Two tours of Northern Ireland. Perhaps our paths have crossed ?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Your talking nonsense. It's not a grave, it's a memorial in a city centre.

And your "I've been to war" top trumps card gives you no more authority to be offended than anyone else.

I have friends remembered by that memorial and to a man, they would laugh their cocks off at this nonsense.

Walter mitty

Ken block went to see some real soldiers and they loved the car and were not offended.

I wonder if someone having sex in a house on Whitehall would offend Walter?

Who's a Walt ? I served in the British Army. In a Infantry Regiment. Two tours of Northern Ireland. Perhaps our paths have crossed ? "

None of that gives you any more reason to decide what is or what is not acceptable. Which part of this filming changed it from respectful to disrespectful?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your talking nonsense. It's not a grave, it's a memorial in a city centre.

And your "I've been to war" top trumps card gives you no more authority to be offended than anyone else.

I have friends remembered by that memorial and to a man, they would laugh their cocks off at this nonsense.

Walter mitty

Ken block went to see some real soldiers and they loved the car and were not offended.

I wonder if someone having sex in a house on Whitehall would offend Walter?

Who's a Walt ? I served in the British Army. In a Infantry Regiment. Two tours of Northern Ireland. Perhaps our paths have crossed ?

None of that gives you any more reason to decide what is or what is not acceptable. Which part of this filming changed it from respectful to disrespectful? "

Look it's my own opinion. I personally found it wrong. A memorial is in definition a place too remember an event. In this case a place too remember the dead. Surely you can see that that is more important than a car show.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

I appreciate it's your opinion... And you are upset. Perhaps if you were to look at is this way. The people who gave their lives, the subjects of this memorial, did so in order that people can live free lives. There are far more serious problems in the world at the moment to get het up about than this. You havnt replied to my question... Just how far away from this memorial would you have felt the actions of top gear would have been acceptable, given that they have done nothing illegal and had sought permission to do what they did??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look it's my own opinion. I personally found it wrong. A memorial is in definition a place too remember an event. In this case a place too remember the dead. Surely you can see that that is more important than a car show.

It is an impossible question too answer. Why do it there in the first place. Who gave the BBC permission too allow it ?

I'm not het up at all. I just think it was a poor choice of location.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted "
I'm not a fan of Chris Evans so not bothered about New series anyway and you can't drive a car over 30 mph in this country anyway or your a criminal what's point of owning a car that does 200 miles an hour its like being tantalised with something you can't have and use to its ability

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Major over reaction for me

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

It is an impossible question too answer. Why do it there in the first place. Who gave the BBC permission too allow it ?

I'm not het up at all. I just think it was a poor choice of location.

I believe it was the City of London that gave them permission, the roads were closed so it was not a random act and the BBC paid for the privilege.

I'm sorry you can not give an opinion as to how close to the memorial would have been respectful... Perhaps it's wrong to critise when you can't give them your own parameters of acceptability??

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Your talking nonsense. It's not a grave, it's a memorial in a city centre.

And your "I've been to war" top trumps card gives you no more authority to be offended than anyone else.

I have friends remembered by that memorial and to a man, they would laugh their cocks off at this nonsense.

Walter mitty

Ken block went to see some real soldiers and they loved the car and were not offended.

I wonder if someone having sex in a house on Whitehall would offend Walter?

Who's a Walt ? I served in the British Army. In a Infantry Regiment. Two tours of Northern Ireland. Perhaps our paths have crossed ?

None of that gives you any more reason to decide what is or what is not acceptable. Which part of this filming changed it from respectful to disrespectful?

You, and everyone who is moaning, have still not said what about it made it disrespectful. What aspect of the happening was beyond acceptable.

Many car chases have been filmed down Whitehall in the past. Many cars drive down Whitehall every day. What was different about this?

Was it the fact it was top gear and thr BBC and everything they do must be criticised at all times?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

I think those "offended" by this are failing to understand the purpose of war memorials.

There is a reason they are not tucked in graveyards or churches or enshrined within walled gardens with gates.

They should not be revered to the extent that we lose all sense of the every day brutality of war.

They are placed in the middle of our towns and cities so that we see them and interact with them every single day.

We walk (and drive) past them on our way to work and when we are out shopping.

They are meant to be a reminder in our everyday lives.

Yes, they should not be desecrated. But this was a car performing stunts around closed streets in London using the backdrop of iconic landmarks.

To not include it would be to suggest it is something less than Big Ben or tower bridge.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

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"I think those "offended" by this are failing to understand the purpose of war memorials.

There is a reason they are not tucked in graveyards or churches or enshrined within walled gardens with gates.

They should not be revered to the extent that we lose all sense of the every day brutality of war.

They are placed in the middle of our towns and cities so that we see them and interact with them every single day.

We walk (and drive) past them on our way to work and when we are out shopping.

They are meant to be a reminder in our everyday lives.

Yes, they should not be desecrated. But this was a car performing stunts around closed streets in London using the backdrop of iconic landmarks.

To not include it would be to suggest it is something less than Big Ben or tower bridge.

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they used Tower Bridge, they didn't need to use the cenotaph

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over a year ago

"It is an impossible question too answer. Why do it there in the first place. Who gave the BBC permission too allow it ?

I'm not het up at all. I just think it was a poor choice of location.

I believe it was the City of London that gave them permission, the roads were closed so it was not a random act and the BBC paid for the privilege.

I'm sorry you can not give an opinion as to how close to the memorial would have been respectful... Perhaps it's wrong to critise when you can't give them your own parameters of acceptability?? "

I would say in terms of acceptability that it would have been more respectful too have found a location where they could have drove a car how they wished. Perhaps on the airfield next too there studio. Can you honestly say they were showing respect or were thinking about the war dead when they were spinning the car around in circles while laughing their heads off ? I do understand that it is not a grave but I also understand that thousands of our war dead have no grave.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

Are you really saying that no one can ever be seen within sight of the memorial enjoying themselves, or however far you may deem it fit to be before it's acceptable?

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

Sorry missed a part of your last message. They were not there to show respect... The fact that the memorial was in the background is kind of irrelevant as I understand it, however I have not seen the footage. I do not feel it was disrespectful in any way.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

if the "people died for our liberty" card is being played then only an ignorant idiot would prevent people from taking those liberties to be quite frank.

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over a year ago

"Are you really saying that no one can ever be seen within sight of the memorial enjoying themselves, or however far you may deem it fit to be before it's acceptable? "

Oh come on ! Their is enjoying yourself and their is being stupid. It's a place too remember the fallen. Not a place for car stunts. Honestly think about it for a moment. Perhaps next the could go too Auschwitz II–Birkenau. That is memorial. Go there and perhaps see if a car is air tight in the gas chamber ? Or maybe New York and do some monster trucking near the 9/11 site. Afterall they are just memorials....im sure nobody would mind.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

These are sites where thousands of people have actually died. Different from the memorial... No one would critice you for dodging all the traffic for you to stand in front if it and pay your respects however and when you want to, so surely anyone else can go about their own business there too? As i understand the general public do not have free access to concentration camps... They do to the streets of London.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

" It's a place too remember the fallen."

No it's not. IT'S A STREET!!!!

Ffs! They were not abseiling off the Cenetaph. They were ragging a car down the street that goes past it. A normal street that's used by traffic every day.

As mentioned above, just how far removed from the memorial does the thing have to be for you to find it acceptable?

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

So because it's in a public place with easy access it's ok to be disrespectful around it? What utter bollicks.

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over a year ago

"These are sites where thousands of people have actually died. Different from the memorial... No one would critice you for dodging all the traffic for you to stand in front if it and pay your respects however and when you want to, so surely anyone else can go about their own business there too? As i understand the general public do not have free access to concentration camps... They do to the streets of London. "

That's just it "people died" Yes they died in those places. Thousands of our fallen have no grave. It is not a place of worship. It is a place too pay respect. Top Gear need permission too film in London. Yes the fallen died for our freedom. Does it matter that they did not die in that location ? My views differ from yours. We both are grateful for what they did too give us our today. The only difference is our opinion on the respect bit.

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over a year ago

" It's a place too remember the fallen.

No it's not. IT'S A STREET!!!!

Ffs! They were not abseiling off the Cenetaph. They were ragging a car down the street that goes past it. A normal street that's used by traffic every day.

As mentioned above, just how far removed from the memorial does the thing have to be for you to find it acceptable?

My God are you for real ? GET HELP... GET IT NOW !

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Are you really saying that no one can ever be seen within sight of the memorial enjoying themselves, or however far you may deem it fit to be before it's acceptable?

It was not carried out at the cenotaph. It was carried out on the same road. It was forty metres away at an entirely different part of the road. The journalist used a telephoto lens to get both the cenotaph and the car into shot. The BBC never intended to show the cenotaph in the footage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is fine, they are overreacting over nothing as usual lol.

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over a year ago

"Are you really saying that no one can ever be seen within sight of the memorial enjoying themselves, or however far you may deem it fit to be before it's acceptable?

40 metres ! Oh thats ok i did not realise they were so so far away !

Wow 40 metres !

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

The BBC now CLAIMS that it wasn't going to show footage of the cenotaph, going on past form with the Argentine trek and being fired on by rednecks in the southern states, that claim doesn't hold much credence

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom."

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms "
with freedom comes responsibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Evans is too much a d**khe*d as just been proved. Hasn't even started and look what has happened lol. People complain about Clarkson being too big? He never was bought even when he was just a motoring journalist....He wrote what he honestly thought not to please those who paid....that's what set him apart and endeared him to the ordinary man. Evans has his hands in everyone's pockets. ...least Clarkson knew cars.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility "

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive."
yes they have, you chose to ignore it

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive."

..... or how it is disrespectful other than through their personal sense of blindly militaristic dogma

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive."

If they had gone blasting around Trafalgar Square with Nelson's column in view, or around around any monument to a famous person who is dead would you feel again that this was being disrespectful? What if they were filmed blasting through a village on closed roads and they happened to drive past a village war memorial... Would that be disrespectful?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

It's been reported in today's newspapers that several different military groups have found this whole sorry episode offensive. Now Top Gear are saying they won't be showing the footage so it's a waste of £100,000 of BBC licence payers money too.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive.

..... or how it is disrespectful other than through their personal sense of blindly militaristic dogma"
nothing militaristic about respecting the dead whoever they may have been.

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By *angtidy42Couple
over a year ago

Redditch

Would Matt be allowed or thought it correct to do that next to the Arlington Memorial. It is a place to remember the lost souls of all conflicts. Yes normal life goes on and as you pass by its a silent reminder that is all to easy forgotten.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive.

..... or how it is disrespectful other than through their personal sense of blindly militaristic dogmanothing militaristic about respecting the dead whoever they may have been. "

Again let's pose the question... What was disrespectful about what they did? How far do you have to go from the monument before you can lark about. ?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"For filming stunts around the cenotaph in Whitehall. There are calls for Matt Le Blanc and Ken Block to be prosecuted

You must be mistaken; top gear ceased to exist when the three musketeer's left

Top Gear existed before them, and continues to do so after. Did Doctor Who cease to exist after William Hartnell left? "

True but it wad nether quite the same after.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive.

..... or how it is disrespectful other than through their personal sense of blindly militaristic dogmanothing militaristic about respecting the dead whoever they may have been.

Again let's pose the question... What was disrespectful about what they did? How far do you have to go from the monument before you can lark about. ? "
the fact that you think it's ok to lark about near a memorial is the problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unless it was 11am on the 11th of November and Mrs Queen was laying a wreath I can't see what peoples problem is. Permits were granted, forms were filled out, insurance was paid for and no harm was done.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Unless it was 11am on the 11th of November and Mrs Queen was laying a wreath I can't see what peoples problem is. Permits were granted, forms were filled out, insurance was paid for and no harm was done."
doesnt make it right

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Doesn't make it wrong either I suppose. So a question, I know do nuts on a road in London is not everyone can do unless you have a few hundred thousand to shut the road, but on a normal day, what is expected of everyone who walks/cycles or drives past the Cenotaph. Can you laugh? or is it frowned upon?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"All this fuss over a bit of stone.

The vast majority of people who pass it daily probably don't give it a second thought until one Sunday in November.

There was no need for Evans to apologise, but political correctness demands that he does, so he did. "

Had to LOL at this comment.

The BBC practically invented political correctness, looks like chickens coming home to roost for them now. The BBC deserve everything they get thrown at them really.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

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This is not Chris Evans playing in a pretty Ferrari, this is a purpose built car called the Hoonigan purely to cause mayhem.it needs a police escort because It is not road legal, it is not a race car, it's designed to to make noise, smoke and scare the shit out of the faint hearted and little kids.

It's called the Hoonigan and shouldn't be within a mile of the cenotaph

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't buy this type of publicity though.. Even makes it to a swingers forum! Marketing genius

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a place of respect for those who died so this countries fools can play with their expensive toys. This place should be respected. If fools want to play with their toys do it on a racing circuit. Evans was right to acknowledge this act of crass stupidity.

But that's all it was so let's move on. There is so much more to get het up about in this land of hope and glory.

As people have pointed out it is a public road in the centre of London.

The perfect place too do stunt driving. Who needs a race track when you can drive like a nutjob in our capital.

On my next trip to Italy i'm going to doughnut through St Peter's Square.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's in the middle of a busy street for gods sake, all this "it's disrespectful talk" is just going over the top.

What would you like next, no one allowed to walk past it while rasing their voice above a whisper ? no going near it unless your in your Sunday best ? Shoot the birds out of the sky anywhere near it to prevent them crapping on it ?

A political commentator streaked past it the other month after loosing a bet, how come no one complains about that but they do about this ? What's more disrespectful a loud noisy car going past it or a bloke going tackle out ?

Yes it's a poignant memorial and it is deserving of some respect, but not to the point of revering it above all else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The story is nonsense. I see nothing disrespectful about stunt driving in proximity to the cenotaph. To argue the contrary would imply that no ostentatious behaviour should be going on near the cenotaph, or indeed near any war memorial.

The fact of the matter is, these things are erected (ha!) in built up areas, where a whole manner of things happen, some more inappropriate than others. Of course, there is a line to be crossed, but short of direct negative behaviour towards the memorial, I don't see a problem.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

Much-a-do about nothing.

They did a stunt that looks like it was quite close to the National Monument. Some people found it disrespectful, they apologised and said they won't use it.

Let's move on.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive.yes they have, you chose to ignore it"

Well indulge me because I don't think anyone has. They keep skirting around the subject without answering

Rather like you just did.

Why are you offended? Which action that is different to the actions carried out every day by thousands of people was the tipping point?

Was it the car wheels losing traction?

Was it the smiling of the people involved?

Was it the car rotating in a circle?

Was it the noise?

Was it the fact it was the BBC doing something?

Was it the fact they were foreign?

Was it the fact a photographer had to use special techniques and equipment to link the event with the location?

Was it the fact that there was no intention to show the car and the cenotaph together until a journalist did this?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive.

..... or how it is disrespectful other than through their personal sense of blindly militaristic dogmanothing militaristic about respecting the dead whoever they may have been.

Again let's pose the question... What was disrespectful about what they did? How far do you have to go from the monument before you can lark about. ? the fact that you think it's ok to lark about near a memorial is the problem "

Define larking about. I have often d*unk in a pub within sight of the cenotaph. Is that disrespectful? Should it be closed?

I have Rollerbladed down Whitehall once before. I laughed out loud at one part as my companion fell over. Should I have stayed silent and thought about dead people?

Do you realise that soldiers died to prevent us from having to subscribe to enforced morality and zealous dogma like you are purporting?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"All this fuss over a bit of stone.

The vast majority of people who pass it daily probably don't give it a second thought until one Sunday in November.

There was no need for Evans to apologise, but political correctness demands that he does, so he did.

Had to LOL at this comment.

The BBC practically invented political correctness, looks like chickens coming home to roost for them now. The BBC deserve everything they get thrown at them really. "

Absolutely nothing you said there is anything other than utter nonsense.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"This is not Chris Evans playing in a pretty Ferrari, this is a purpose built car called the Hoonigan purely to cause mayhem.it needs a police escort because It is not road legal, it is not a race car, it's designed to to make noise, smoke and scare the shit out of the faint hearted and little kids.

It's called the Hoonigan and shouldn't be within a mile of the cenotaph "

So if it was a different car doing do nuts it would have been ok?

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

It's called the Hoonigan and shouldn't be within a mile of the cenotaph

So if it was a different car doing do nuts it would have been ok?"

If it was a different car they wouldn't even attempt to do what they were doing. Especially not by the cenotaph. To take THAT car and do what they were trying to do was deliberately provocative.

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over a year ago

It's called the Hoonigan and shouldn't be within a mile of the cenotaph

So if it was a different car doing do nuts it would have been ok?

If it was a different car they wouldn't even attempt to do what they were doing. Especially not by the cenotaph. To take THAT car and do what they were trying to do was deliberately provocative. "

Now your making stuff up to be offended about, they stated the cenotaph was never meant to be shown at all, how can it be deliberate when that wasn't intended ?

What you've got offended about is pictures from a third party which make it look closer than it was, not from the people who made the film

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

It's called the Hoonigan and shouldn't be within a mile of the cenotaph

So if it was a different car doing do nuts it would have been ok?

If it was a different car they wouldn't even attempt to do what they were doing. Especially not by the cenotaph. To take THAT car and do what they were trying to do was deliberately provocative. "

I'm fairly certain that the monument will have appeared in films at some time..... Would you object to that too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How OLD did Chris Evans look on the news,

goes to show, age catches up with us all

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

It's called the Hoonigan and shouldn't be within a mile of the cenotaph

So if it was a different car doing do nuts it would have been ok?

If it was a different car they wouldn't even attempt to do what they were doing. Especially not by the cenotaph. To take THAT car and do what they were trying to do was deliberately provocative. "

Is that a no or a yes then?

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

They filmed in several places over the weekend, because of health and safety issues the paparazzi were told EXACTLY where to stand. They knew full well what shots and angles the photographers were likely to get. What WOULD have been impressive would have been to take the car 100 yards further up the road to Trafalgar Square and race it round the fountains. Much easier to do, much more photogenic but much less likely to offend people. And much less publicity

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Are you a politician by any chance?

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

"They filmed in several places over the weekend, because of health and safety issues the paparazzi were told EXACTLY where to stand. They knew full well what shots and angles the photographers were likely to get. What WOULD have been impressive would have been to take the car 100 yards further up the road to Trafalgar Square and race it round the fountains. Much easier to do, much more photogenic but much less likely to offend people. And much less publicity "

So 100 yards further up the road would have been alright, what about offending the memory of Nelson and all the sailors and soldiers who died in the Napoleon's wars? You hit the nail on the head.... It was filmed in lots of places in London presumably the point of the film. No doubt if it had been the point to do it at iconic places in London.... and the memorial hadn't featured you'd have complained because it wasn't shown as iconic?

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

No but I have had to play the political game

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"No but I have had to play the political game

Then answer the question will you !!

I am trying to get into whats going on in your head as to why it is so offensive, so would it just be that car or any car?

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

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There is also nothing that signifies London more than Tower Bridge and they filmed there.

Show 100 tourists from around the world a photo of the cenotaph, it is highly doubtful that any will recognise it but they will all understand its significance.

It's a shame that a few more on here don't understand that.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

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"No but I have had to play the political game

Then answer the question will you !!

I am trying to get into whats going on in your head as to why it is so offensive, so would it just be that car or any car?"
I'm trying to work out what's going on in your head that you don't understand that I have already answered that question several times in this thread.

I t I s d I s r e s p e c t f u l

Maybe you should google Ken Block, Hoonigan and Gymkhana and tell me why you think that activity IS suitable around the cenotaph

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

I understand the significance probably more than most, I have lost family members and friends in conflicts.... I still am not offended by two blokes in a car having a bit of fun in the same road.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Maybe I will just drop out instead as you seem to be irritated by peoples questions and it makes it hard to have a debate.

As someone else has said up there, just saying it is disrespectful without an explanation why doesn't mean it has been explained

Leave you to it

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"No but I have had to play the political game

Then answer the question will you !!

I am trying to get into whats going on in your head as to why it is so offensive, so would it just be that car or any car?"

To be fair it's not just Colgate who has found it disrespectful is it. It's been reported in the newspapers today that several different military groups have found it disrespectful too.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

" Yes the fallen died for our freedom.

it's more disrespectful to the dead and utterly ironic that you are so vocal in your desire to now kurb those hard won freedoms with freedom comes responsibility

You are making up arbitrary standards and then getting upset.

No one has yet explained what individual aspect of this was offensive.yes they have, you chose to ignore it

Well indulge me because I don't think anyone has. They keep skirting around the subject without answering

Rather like you just did.

Why are you offended? Which action that is different to the actions carried out every day by thousands of people was the tipping point?

Was it the car wheels losing traction?

Was it the smiling of the people involved?

Was it the car rotating in a circle?

Was it the noise?

Was it the fact it was the BBC doing something?

Was it the fact they were foreign?

Was it the fact a photographer had to use special techniques and equipment to link the event with the location?

Was it the fact that there was no intention to show the car and the cenotaph together until a journalist did this?

What a load of utter nonsense.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"No but I have had to play the political game

Then answer the question will you !!

I am trying to get into whats going on in your head as to why it is so offensive, so would it just be that car or any car?

To be fair it's not just Colgate who has found it disrespectful is it.

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I didn't say it was.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I would still love to know what all the offended people think should happen in streets where memorials are. Should there be no human activity at all whether that is chatting/ laughing/ driving / donut driving obviously?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I think most people are missing the point and falling into the trap set by the producers of top gear. There are 2 camps here, those who are offended and those who say it is a total overreaction. Both of these groups are correct and both are wrong.

But the real wrongness is in the fact that the anger is directed against the presenters rather than the producers. Remember that since the BBC bought the rights to Top Gear they have continually thought up stunts more and more guaranteed to offend and place the presenters and film crews in danger. Remember driving through the US deep south in 'decorated' cars or going to southern Argentina both with cars that could 'offend' in places where it was guaranteed they would find people who would be offended and would react violently. Just like having your stars spend 10/15 hours out filming in foul weather before returning them to a bed and breakfast hotel and tell them they could have a sandwich! Am I the only one who sees the hand (or hands) of an out of control psychologist(s) seeing if they can actually get someone killed and have the subjects/victims of their experiments blamed for their psychological games?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would fucking love ken block to do something round my grave or memorial or whatever.

It has to beat the rest of eternity in mournful bloody silence.

Maybe that's just me.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I would still love to know what all the offended people think should happen in streets where memorials are. Should there be no human activity at all whether that is chatting/ laughing/ driving / donut driving obviously? "

Plus, what do you think they were hoping to get out of it by filming it there? Just more publicity or something more sinister?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do it there in the first place. Who gave the BBC permission too allow it ?

I'm not het up at all. I just think it was a poor choice of location."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Respectful mournful silence with heads bowed within a 350 metre radius and if you could muster up a tear or two that'd be just great

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

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"Why do it there in the first place. Who gave the BBC permission too allow it ?

I'm not het up at all. I just think it was a poor choice of location.

Where in London can you go more than 100 metres without a historic item? Remember that it wasn't just at that bit of the road - they had a quarter mile stretch cordoned off, and weren't just filming that. The film online is a paparazzi taking a video from an angle to make it look as bad as possible. "
there are plenty of places all over London to film at, this is true and guess what, they filmed at quite a few of them with no fuss apart from the traffic they held up while the roads were closed. Nobody but Nobody is complaining about any of the other sites used. Only this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do it there in the first place. Who gave the BBC permission too allow it ?

I'm not het up at all. I just think it was a poor choice of location.

Where in London can you go more than 100 metres without a historic item? Remember that it wasn't just at that bit of the road - they had a quarter mile stretch cordoned off, and weren't just filming that. The film online is a paparazzi taking a video from an angle to make it look as bad as possible. there are plenty of places all over London to film at, this is true and guess what, they filmed at quite a few of them with no fuss apart from the traffic they held up while the roads were closed. Nobody but Nobody is complaining about any of the other sites used. Only this one. "
because of the camera angle used by the reporter to make it look like they would dicking about around a cenotaph, whereas, in reality they were filming on a piece of road which happened to have a cenotaph? That is what it looked like to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's important to me is the Intent. Was there an intent to offend? I don't think so.

As soon as people started saying "I'm offended by something I've not even seen" they apologised and said they won't use the footage.

Well done everyone.

Crowdsourced indignation rules.

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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago

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The apologists will probably say the intent wasn't there when they twatted around in front of the bride and groom being photographed on their big day at St Paul's cathedral either.

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