FabSwingers.com forum: Death Penalty

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Now there's a subject for you.

This isn't a post asking that no matter what the crime, a death sentence shouldn't be given.

Rather, it's just the general question of should the death penalty even be considered for reintroduction?

Personally, I say absolutely not.

For the only important reason: we do not have a 100% fool proof justice system. Innocent people can and have been imprisoned.

If their crime was serious enough and a death penalty existed, they would now be dead. For example, the Birmingham six.

If even one single innocent person was put to death, that's one too many.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Death penalty for pedo's , terrorists , people who harm animals, rapists

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By *c-ukMan
over a year ago

Sevenoaks

Ian Huntley should be executed, no debate, no appeal.. He should die !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now there's a subject for you.

This isn't a post asking that no matter what the crime, a death sentence shouldn't be given.

Rather, it's just the general question of should the death penalty even be considered for reintroduction?

Personally, I say absolutely not.

For the only important reason: we do not have a 100% fool proof justice system. Innocent people can and have been imprisoned.

If their crime was serious enough and a death penalty existed, they would now be dead. For example, the Birmingham six.

If even one single innocent person was put to death, that's one too many."

Completely agree with this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd sooner have the prisons be made more of a punishment than have the death penalty introduced

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now there's a subject for you.

This isn't a post asking that no matter what the crime, a death sentence shouldn't be given.

Rather, it's just the general question of should the death penalty even be considered for reintroduction?

Personally, I say absolutely not.

For the only important reason: we do not have a 100% fool proof justice system. Innocent people can and have been imprisoned.

If their crime was serious enough and a death penalty existed, they would now be dead. For example, the Birmingham six.

If even one single innocent person was put to death, that's one too many.

Completely agree with this."

Me too x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Deaths a easy way out. Pedo's. Murders etc. Give them Slave labour or torture every day till there on the brink. But human rights dont allow that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Death penalty for pedo's , terrorists , people who harm animals, rapists"

Does that include people who work at abattoir?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As in dog fights etc

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

Personally no, but them i am a tad sadistic.

Pedo's, Rapists and c***s like them should be used for testing drugs on so no more animals are harmed. Dont give them a choice in it.

Others that would qualify for the death penalty no, its an easy way out, they should be made to spend every last minute in prison. The prison system needs a major overhaul it is way to soft. It needs to be a horrible degrading place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're just legalising murder and violence on another person and this sends out a subliminal message to others that it's ok to use violence when you feel justified to.

I'm tempted to say that we should just kill anyone who is harmful to society but really can't justify their deaths even. They cause harm, we have to deal with the effects of that.

Soon the technology will be available to change those who are inclined to cause harm.

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

A sixteen year old girl was raped and murdered in a park in South Africa this week. She was walking with her parents in broad daylight and had gone off ahead of them. Three local men were caught after they had sold her mobile phone. If they are guilty then death would be the penalty they should face. If it was my child I would willingly carry out the execution.

Him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like the fact we keep Ian brady alive when he's so desperate to die. Id cut his arms and legs off and *then* keep him alive...but it's a start..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should introduce it, its time to free up some space in the prisons, plus less tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As in dog fights etc"

Seems a bit much. Death penalty for being involved with dog fighting..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Again, I'm not questioning that there are no crimes serious enough to warrant a death penalty. Just whether a death penalty has a right to exist in a world of mistaken convictions.

I refer you again to the Birmingham six.

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By *ormalguy71Man
over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

"A sixteen year old girl was raped and murdered in a park in South Africa this week. She was walking with her parents in broad daylight and had gone off ahead of them. Three local men were caught after they had sold her mobile phone. If they are guilty then death would be the penalty they should face. If it was my child I would willingly carry out the execution.

Him"

I see this as different to the death penalty and i am all in favour in crimes like this the criminals locked in a room with the parents, what happens happens no come back. The parent can choice to do as they wish. They get revenge.

For me thats more revenge than a painless death penalty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should introduce it, its time to free up some space in the prisons, plus less tax."

Don't you mean reintroduce it...

As it was only abolished in England and Wales 50 years ago... That's barely a generation ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thank you Ms Innocent

"Now there's a subject for you.

This isn't a post asking that no matter what the crime, a death sentence shouldn't be given.

Rather, it's just the general question of should the death penalty even be considered for reintroduction?

Personally, I say absolutely not.

For the only important reason: we do not have a 100% fool proof justice system. Innocent people can and have been imprisoned.

If their crime was serious enough and a death penalty existed, they would now be dead. For example, the Birmingham six.

If even one single innocent person was put to death, that's one too many.

Completely agree with this."

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By *obletonMan
over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

From the perspective of political philosophy, in general, I agree with the conservative (small c) principle of limiting the power of government.

The greatest power a government can hold is to take the lives of its citizens.

So if you agree with that principle, then that is the very first limit you place on government power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should introduce it, its time to free up some space in the prisons, plus less tax."

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By *ruegent101Man
over a year ago

down by the river side

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Now there's a subject for you.

This isn't a post asking that no matter what the crime, a death sentence shouldn't be given.

Rather, it's just the general question of should the death penalty even be considered for reintroduction?

Personally, I say absolutely not.

For the only important reason: we do not have a 100% fool proof justice system. Innocent people can and have been imprisoned.

If their crime was serious enough and a death penalty existed, they would now be dead. For example, the Birmingham six.

If even one single innocent person was put to death, that's one too many."

Yep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Death penalty for unnecessarily blocking Rachael.

Bastards.

folds arms. Looks cross.

Still manages to look damn hot, even when fake cross

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By *ruegent101Man
over a year ago

down by the river side

"As in dog fights etc

Seems a bit much. Death penalty for being involved with dog fighting.."

Agreed that's a bit much ! But don't get me wrong if one person was found to be the cause of death for multiple dogs due to fighting and negligence etc maybe then I could possibly agree that it could be justifiable!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Death penalty for pedo's , terrorists , people who harm animals, rapists"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally believe a life is not ours to take.... Some do and red in their ledger why would u want red in your own?

I don't think it should exist anywhere in the world.

I am in agreement with prisons being made into a facility that actually resembles punishment in some way. Not a place people go to get a free bed, meals, gym and all the rest.

I have had the pleasure of speaking to people that come out of jail and sometimes feel they had a better deal than myself and I was on the wrong side of the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We could bring it back for adultry like in saudi

Be the end of this site then thou

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We could bring it back for adultry like in saudi

Be the end of this site then thou

Haha they will have to prove it first

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We could bring it back for adultry like in saudi

Be the end of this site then thou

Guys would still complain they were not getting a meet though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should introduce it, its time to free up some space in the prisons, plus less tax.

Don't you mean reintroduce it...

As it was only abolished in England and Wales 50 years ago... That's barely a generation ago

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Yes. I meant reintroduce it there, its been a while since they had it here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one for the death penalty seems to have addressed OP's whole point on miscarriages of justice

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

Funny how the majority of people who say prison is easy have never actually been to prison... Any man who says prison is a piece of piss has never stood in a cell and heard the door bang behind him...Charlie Richardson, one of the most brutal men this country has ever seen but also one of the kindest in my opinion.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Funny how the majority of people who say prison is easy have never actually been to prison... Any man who says prison is a piece of piss has never stood in a cell and heard the door bang behind him...Charlie Richardson, one of the most brutal men this country has ever seen but also one of the kindest in my opinion."

I've been in more prisons that you might imagine. They're not very nice, no matter what The Daily Mail says.

The point is that you have to demand for the vilest scum the same basic protections that you would demand if you were in a similar position.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"We could bring it back for adultry like in saudi

Be the end of this site then thou

Saudis only have to say they accidentally tripped and fell inside the woman though, and they get off scot free. I expect the woman would be stoned to death for being in the wrong place.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

I've been in more prisons that you might imagine. They're not very nice, no matter what The Daily Mail says.

The point is that you have to demand for the vilest scum the same basic protections that you would demand if you were in a similar position. "

Exactly what I am saying everyone seems to think they are holiday camps but they are far from it, and unfortunately the good people of this country voted that we should join europe and be governed by EU laws therefore affording protection to scum and vilifying gentlemen like the Richardsons and Messrs Kray.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I've been in more prisons that you might imagine. They're not very nice, no matter what The Daily Mail says.

The point is that you have to demand for the vilest scum the same basic protections that you would demand if you were in a similar position.

I don;t follow?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been in more prisons that you might imagine. They're not very nice, no matter what The Daily Mail says.

The point is that you have to demand for the vilest scum the same basic protections that you would demand if you were in a similar position.

We never actually voted to join EU, voted to stay in soon after

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

Its all wrong that the EU says we have to look after rapist and child killers. I served with some of the most terrifying people but not one of them had done bad to an innocent person and to a man they were gentlemen. All were serving north of 25 years.......Rape conviction these days??? Lucky to get a 7.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Where does the EU say that?

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Prisons are awful places. Get real. Don't buy in to the rhetoric of the Daily Mail.Sun/Express. Some of their readers are easy targets.

But yeah, just make them eat their own shit every day so that when they come out they won't hold any bigger grudges against society(which they are part of, by the way, like it or not).

Reap what you sow, etc.

Secondly, if you say it is wrong to take a life, by what logic is it then okay for you to determine that someone else should die?

It's one of those paradox thingys which are pretty important.

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"Where does the EU say that?"

Human rights?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Where does the EU say that?

Human rights? "

Specifically...?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The European Convention on Human Rights was formulated in 1950 and was drafted by the Council of Europe after the Second World War in response to a call issued by Europeans from all walks of life who had gathered at the Hague Congress.

One of the driving forces to its inception was Winston Churchill and the British Government.

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"Where does the EU say that?

Human rights?

Specifically...?"

Don't be an arse, if you have been in you know as well as I do about vp wings and protected prisoners. All the result of an EU directive that most UK prisons are now abolishing through their own boards of govenors.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I understand if you might feel offended: but you said that you'd served with some terrifying people who'd never hurt an innocent person.

My question to that is(because I find it genuinely interesting): what makes one person(you're presumably fighting against as a soldier in the filed of battle, for example?)able to make a judgement that the people they are being asked to defend against/kill are anything but NOT innocent? Or at least as innocent as the people you're fighting alongside? - You're basically insinuating that anyone who is on the opposite side to you may have to die, BUT:because they are on the opposite side to you: AREN'T innocent.

By what criteria? Is this what soldiers think? Or is it just what you HAVE to do in order to make sense of the situation and the horrific things that many soldiers may ultimately have to do, and try to live with.

Don't get me wrong: I really don't envy them. Just interested.

"Its all wrong that the EU says we have to look after rapist and child killers. I served with some of the most terrifying people but not one of them had done bad to an innocent person and to a man they were gentlemen. All were serving north of 25 years.......Rape conviction these days??? Lucky to get a 7."

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"The European Convention on Human Rights was formulated in 1950 and was drafted by the Council of Europe after the Second World War in response to a call issued by Europeans from all walks of life who had gathered at the Hague Congress.

One of the driving forces to its inception was Winston Churchill and the British Government. "

Wikipedia is bloody amazing eh?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Where does the EU say that?

Human rights?

Specifically...?

I don;t see what the nonces and guilty police officers' wing has to do with the Convention on Human Rights?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I understand if you might feel offended: but you said that you'd served with some terrifying people who'd never hurt an innocent person.

Don't get me wrong: I really don't envy them. Just interested.

This is precisely the reason why we have a criminal justice system, as imperfect as it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My 10 peneth worth I wouldn't want to see it reintroduced x

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I understand if you might feel offended: but you said that you'd served with some terrifying people who'd never hurt an innocent person.

Don't get me wrong: I really don't envy them. Just interested.

Good question. Difference being a soldier goes to fight for his country and is ordered to do so. The people I was referring to were evil fighting evil. they were mostly born in to it and it very rarely spread to the point of innocent people being involved. I will not say it didn't happen but it was a rare occurrence.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Bollocks. Completely got the wrong end of the stick re: your post. Silly boy. What can I say: I'm tired!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"My 10 peneth worth I wouldn't want to see it reintroduced x"

Yes, every now and then the criminal justice system gets it wrong. It's bad enough unlocking someone after a long period behind bars but nigh impossible if you've hanged them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Michael portillo did a first rate documentary all about this, if you can find it,I recommend _iewing it. It doesn't try to alter your _iew on capital punishment, but does deepen your knowledge of what it actually means on terms of actually carrying it out and so on.

For anyone who could ever advocate torturing or chemical/medical testing of any nature I would suggest that they personally actually carry it out, the experience would surely never leave you and not in a good way, you'd be changed, and you'd be little better than the very worst of people.

Don't forget, justice systems have made terrible errors in the past, and Birmingham six, hanratty, Bentley , and no system is reliable enough to commit a person to death based on it's judgements.

This isn't to say that it's wrong to feel outraged, wronged our even wishing for vengeance, this is just a natural and normal reaction to a terrible event, but if those fantasies and wishes became a judicial reality Wed have nothing short of mob rule , and I think we can ask Christopher Jefferies what that's like.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Bollocks. Completely got the wrong end of the stick re: your post. Silly boy. What can I say: I'm tired!

Lol, don't sweat it, go to bed dancing boy!!

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

As opposed to going to bed and,er..sweating..?

No. Yer right. I'm offski!

"Bollocks. Completely got the wrong end of the stick re: your post. Silly boy. What can I say: I'm tired!

Lol, don't sweat it, go to bed dancing boy!!"

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"Bollocks. Completely got the wrong end of the stick re: your post. Silly boy. What can I say: I'm tired!

Care to explain that?

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By *fricanMann2077Man
over a year ago

Stoke On Trent

I personally think that no man or no legal system has the right to take another mans life.

Instead torture them, use them for experiments instead of poor animals that will teach them than to kill them.

Imprison them for years, tortue them and experiment on them and release them to suffer with the grief forever.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

I thought you were alluding to soldiers you'd fought with as opposed to people banged up, as you said, for northwards of 25 years.

I'm gone.

Stand by my points re : futility and hypocrisy of murdering a murderer for murder, and the discomfort I feel about soldiers being conditioned into being sociopaths.

I'm going to bed.

"Bollocks. Completely got the wrong end of the stick re: your post. Silly boy. What can I say: I'm tired!

Care to explain that?"

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I personally think that no man or no legal system has the right to take another mans life.

Instead torture them, use them for experiments instead of poor animals that will teach them than to kill them.

Imprison them for years, tortue them and experiment on them and release them to suffer with the grief forever."

That's a bit fucked up...

Nice tits tho'

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"I thought you were alluding to soldiers you'd fought with as opposed to people banged up, as you said, for northwards of 25 years.

I'm gone.

Stand by my points re : futility and hypocrisy of murdering a murderer for murder, and the discomfort I feel about soldiers being conditioned into being sociopaths.

I'm going to bed.

Bollocks. Completely got the wrong end of the stick re: your post. Silly boy. What can I say: I'm tired!

Care to explain that?"

Obviously tired. Read and read again before posting that way you don't sound like a silly boy!!

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

"I personally think that no man or no legal system has the right to take another mans life.

Instead torture them, use them for experiments instead of poor animals that will teach them than to kill them.

Imprison them for years, tortue them and experiment on them and release them to suffer with the grief forever.

That's a bit fucked up...

Nice tits tho'

Agreed

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Egregious torture?

Really?

Very civilised is that.

"I personally think that no man or no legal system has the right to take another mans life.

Instead torture them, use them for experiments instead of poor animals that will teach them than to kill them.

Imprison them for years, tortue them and experiment on them and release them to suffer with the grief forever.

That's a bit fucked up...

Nice tits tho'

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah bring it back, our justice system is fucked and the prisons are full so I say we start by hanging/shooting all the habitual offenders

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

I don't think we'd get to Tony Blair though!

The ex Middle East Peace Envoy that he is(was).

"Yeah bring it back, our justice system is fucked and the prisons are full so I say we start by hanging/shooting all the habitual offenders "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If we had a perfect justice system, I'd agree. But for murderers and child abusers etc.

But, as our justice system isn't perfect, and quite possibly never will be, it belongs in the past.

"Yeah bring it back, our justice system is fucked and the prisons are full so I say we start by hanging/shooting all the habitual offenders "

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

plus the majority of recent cabinets.

People dying because they can't afford to put the heating on(good old leccy/gas privatisation), about to die younger thrpough heart disease and diabetes(letting the food industry promote and flog us cheap nasty shit full of sugar without making ANY effort to control the opportunistic bastards).

Oh, and the NHS because we don't give it the funding it deserves(ergo more deaths)because , oh , HORROR, we'd have to put up taxes.

There's bigger fish to fry than a measly one time murderer.

Give me the fucking gun!

Ha.

Sorry. Im slowly going off on one.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I personally think that no man or no legal system has the right to take another mans life.

Instead torture them, use them for experiments instead of poor animals that will teach them than to kill them.

Imprison them for years, tortue them and experiment on them and release them to suffer with the grief forever."
and then when you find out they were innocent ? Stephan clizco the Birmingham six the Guildford four Timothy Evans ? A no from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been in more prisons that you might imagine. They're not very nice, no matter what The Daily Mail says.

The point is that you have to demand for the vilest scum the same basic protections that you would demand if you were in a similar position. "

Guess you never listened to Jeremy Vine on BBC Radio 2 on Friday then where the debate was why so many people go out intentionally causing crime to be locked up

this is to escape the living of day to day life

Prisons are far to easy, send them offshore on an oilrig for 3 weeks at a time having to work hard 14 hour+ days

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

they should bring it back but as in public executions.. it could be made into a tv gameshow type thing. I'm sure noel edmonds would be more than happy to present it..

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I think the question should really be: Which is the worse punishment, instant death, or the knowledge that your whole life will be spent in prison with no possibility of parole?

With occasional "visits" from other prisoners of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd rather pay the tax to home an elderly person. That way the person still has something to pass on to his/her family, instead of selling their house to pay for care.

I think a prisoner should have to work toeearn their keep. Not work to have extra money to spend on "luxuries". To me there is no justice when someone gets 3 meals a day, medical treatment, education, hygiene etc, for free when they have broken the law. But then someone who has worked hard, paid their taxes etc has to pay for care because their old and seen fit to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one has the right to play god. No from me x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even if you could take away the possibility of innocent people being wrongly put to death, I still don't think the death penalty is justified. It's not for the state to decide to end someone's existence, in my _iew.

I'm sure I'd feel differently if I was victim or a close family member was - but that wouldn't make my _iew any more "right" than it is now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, it's not something that should exist in a civilised society.

As already pointed out, far too many miscarriages of justice happen. My ex-husband's uncle spent several years in prison on a charge of sexual abuse of a child, he was exonerated and fully pardoned when another man who bore him a striking resemblance confessed to that particular crime along with other attacks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd rather pay the tax to home an elderly person. That way the person still has something to pass on to his/her family, instead of selling their house to pay for care.

Certainly seems to be better care for our prisoners than we give to our pensioners..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd rather pay the tax to home an elderly person. That way the person still has something to pass on to his/her family, instead of selling their house to pay for care.

Certainly seems to be better care for our prisoners than we give to our pensioners.."

This is a separate issue to the death penalty. I would strongly agree that prison inmates should be required to contribute to their upkeep in some way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd rather pay the tax to home an elderly person. That way the person still has something to pass on to his/her family, instead of selling their house to pay for care.

Certainly seems to be better care for our prisoners than we give to our pensioners..

This is a separate issue to the death penalty. I would strongly agree that prison inmates should be required to contribute to their upkeep in some way."

Sorry I'll add, I'd rather this than the death penalty as that is an easy way out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just hope we never have to live under sharia law eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it should be re introduced. Some would become a martyr from it with cult status and I would rather they just passed away in prison without much fuss.

I couldn't carry out an execution or watch one.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ian Huntley should be executed, no debate, no appeal.. He should die !!"

Hear hear..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We do administer the death penalty every time we kill someone who resits our involvement in situations around the world where we've chosen to support one side rather than the other...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nail em up I say, best thing that ever happened to this country!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do administer the death penalty every time we kill someone who resits our involvement in situations around the world where we've chosen to support one side rather than the other...

We!!!!

I have never voted for Blaire or Cameron

would still like to see Blaire held to account

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of people who are pro death penalty have cited "pedos" as worthy recipients.

Whilst I 100% agree that the act is abhorrent it raises concern that some feel that people should be put to death for how they are wired.

Pedophiles don't choose who they fancy any more than any other person does.

I do believe that they should be kept segregated from society until they can be educated and managed to not act on their desires but these people are ill.

Now not all called pedos actually are, some are mere predators who find younger individuals easier prey and for these punishment is right and apt but I struggle to condone punishing someone because of an illness/birth defects. ...

I will reiterate that I absolutely agree that the act is abhorrent though

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Death penalty for pedo's , terrorists , people who harm animals, rapists"

and swingers because I think that having sex outside marriage is a sin

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I'd sooner have the prisons be made more of a punishment than have the death penalty introduced"

Me too. Nothing cures an insanely masochistic sociopath than a tough slap around and early lights out.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Deaths a easy way out. Pedo's. Murders etc. Give them Slave labour or torture every day till there on the brink. But human rights dont allow that. "

Yes. Let's torture them. Let's be totally humane and rip their fucking nails out. That'll stop the sex drive...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Death penalty for pedo's , terrorists , people who harm animals, rapists

Does that include people who work at abattoir? "

Is that another of those rude places you go to for naughty ladies ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"You're just legalising murder and violence on another person and this sends out a subliminal message to others that it's ok to use violence when you feel justified to.

I'm tempted to say that we should just kill anyone who is harmful to society but really can't justify their deaths even. They cause harm, we have to deal with the effects of that.

Soon the technology will be available to change those who are inclined to cause harm."

It's called a lobotomy.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"A lot of people who are pro death penalty have cited "pedos" as worthy recipients.

Whilst I 100% agree that the act is abhorrent it raises concern that some feel that people should be put to death for how they are wired.

Pedophiles don't choose who they fancy any more than any other person does.

I do believe that they should be kept segregated from society until they can be educated and managed to not act on their desires but these people are ill.

I will reiterate that I absolutely agree that the act is abhorrent though"

I see you got the one 'say something logical and reasonable' pill tonight.

Go you x

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By *ob nice but domMan
over a year ago

PAISLEY

"I'd sooner have the prisons be made more of a punishment than have the death penalty introduced"

That is exactly my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For some.

Absolutely.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Him"

No you wouldn't: hyperbole and bluster.

In my lifetime I think I've read about three parents who killed the person responsible for the death of their child...hundreds and thousands of innocent souls have been taken though sadly.

The justice system is too inconsistent in my _iew to be given life and death responsibility. How many whole life tariff murderers are there? Not enough I'll wager.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of people who are pro death penalty have cited "pedos" as worthy recipients.

Whilst I 100% agree that the act is abhorrent it raises concern that some feel that people should be put to death for how they are wired.

Pedophiles don't choose who they fancy any more than any other person does.

I do believe that they should be kept segregated from society until they can be educated and managed to not act on their desires but these people are ill.

I will reiterate that I absolutely agree that the act is abhorrent though

I see you got the one 'say something logical and reasonable' pill tonight.

Go you x "

Its a rare occurrence - have no fear though, usual services will resume for next posting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% no

You are lowering yourself to thier level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime."

This isn't the Old Testament

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime.

This isn't the Old Testament "

Isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime."

Absolutely agree.

My brother was killed. Pre meditated by someone known to him.

He killed him by plunging a kitchen knife into his throat in front of my nephew who was about six I think at the time and sister in law.

If he got the needle I would be fucking overjoyed.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime.

This isn't the Old Testament "

Take your clothes off and get on this donkey!

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over a year ago

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime.

This isn't the Old Testament

Take your clothes off and get on this donkey!"

I don't mind a donkey ride but fecked if I'm doing it naked

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Sadly I am for it, so far criminals get away with murder. Look at several high profile murder cases, all got prison sentences. I my opinion it would make people think twice about committing an offence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sadly I am for it, so far criminals get away with murder. Look at several high profile murder cases, all got prison sentences. I my opinion it would make people think twice about committing an offence."

It's thought that's not true about the deterrent thing.

Studies done in the states have found that the states with the death penalty are the ones with the highest figures for murders... and that when executions are performed violent crime goes up around these times too.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime.

This isn't the Old Testament

Take your clothes off and get on this donkey!

I don't mind a donkey ride but fecked if I'm doing it naked

I was speaking to Joe but you can go bareback riding if you wanna .....

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By *randMrs Spanish BrunetteCouple
over a year ago

home sweet home

Him"

+1 ...and I'd spit on the corpse afterwards.

Him too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime."

That's how punishment works now and they still get it wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And what does putting them to death achieve for society other than the obvious removing them?

The whole point of civilised society is to keep improving. I think carrying out such a penalty is a backward step and that we need to say we can rise above this. Of course I haven't been affected directly,but hatred and the desire for revenge won't dissappear. Such emotions consume you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now there's a subject for you.

This isn't a post asking that no matter what the crime, a death sentence shouldn't be given.

Rather, it's just the general question of should the death penalty even be considered for reintroduction?

Personally, I say absolutely not.

For the only important reason: we do not have a 100% fool proof justice system. Innocent people can and have been imprisoned.

If their crime was serious enough and a death penalty existed, they would now be dead. For example, the Birmingham six.

If even one single innocent person was put to death, that's one too many."

Our thoughts are irrelevant. We signed up to whichever convention it was that means we can't execute people, that we can't extradite people to face a death sentence and we can't supply materials for others to execute people with. This is, as I understand it, irrevocable.

Having said all that, I am so pleased we did! Death penalty is abhorrent always. So, for that matter, is torture. Both are a great stain on the USA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Again, I'm not questioning that there are no crimes serious enough to warrant a death penalty. Just whether a death penalty has a right to exist in a world of mistaken convictions.

I refer you again to the Birmingham six."

I am not QUESTIONING that either.

No crime warrants it. End of.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I think a life for a life when the evidence proves without question of a doubt that said person commited the crime.

That's how punishment works now and they still get it wrong "
again Stephan Clisco had written a full confesion to the murder of Leslie Molseed a murder he was subsequently proveen to have not been able to comit by your rules he would of been executed and no re opening of the case would have happend and no subsequent conviction of the real culprit but would of taken place .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where does the EU say that?"

It doesn't.

It's the European Convention, nowt at all to do with EU as far as I know.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Oh let's just give everyone guns and reestablish the death penalty and see how it goes.

Works for America, doesn't it?

And who cares about miscarriages of justice?

Collateral, innit?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

It's not a deterrent.

It kills innocent people.

Apart from that, it's great

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will always be difficult..

You need to balance the occasional miscarriage of justice against the number of convicted murderers who are released and kill again.

By either releasing them or not executing them in the first place you are condemning the innocents who are murdered by them.

If you deny murderers a chance of ever gaining parole then you are being inhumane in caging them up for their whole life and also creating a very dangerous environment for those who guard them.

Would you feel safe if Charles Manson was released and rented the house next door to you or would you feel safer if he was in a box six feet under ?

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By *asy247888Man
over a year ago

Kent

I think if a crime can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt through forensics or cctv, which is irrebuttable evidence and leave no doubt then yes but only for serious offences such as murder and child sex offences. Child sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated and pose a risk to child once released from prison and should not be re-integrated in to society. That's my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think if a crime can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt through forensics or cctv, which is irrebuttable evidence and leave no doubt then yes but only for serious offences such as murder and child sex offences. Child sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated and pose a risk to child once released from prison and should not be re-integrated in to society. That's my opinion."

It isn't just paedophiles there are also psychopaths who have an overwhelming urge to kill and serial rapists there are a lot of people who will always present a danger to the general public.

The main argument against the death penalty is can you trust the people in government and in power ? After all there are many of the very type of person who are a threat to children among their ranks.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

It is completely irrelevant and utterly pointless to discuss this, again.

No convicted criminal will ever be officially executed in this country in any of our lifetimes.

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By *asy247888Man
over a year ago

Kent

It isn't just paedophiles there are also psychopaths who have an overwhelming urge to kill and serial rapists there are a lot of people who will always present a danger to the general public.

Completely agree, that was just an example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is completely irrelevant and utterly pointless to discuss this, again.

No convicted criminal will ever be officially executed in this country in any of our lifetimes.

We do lots right, this being one of our best!

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Hopefully.

There seems to be a fairly rabid baying for blood from some people though.

Which poses another(hypothetical)question: if a majority of the populace demand it back, should it be reinstated?

"It is completely irrelevant and utterly pointless to discuss this, again.

No convicted criminal will ever be officially executed in this country in any of our lifetimes.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

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No...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hopefully.

There seems to be a fairly rabid baying for blood from some people though.

Which poses another(hypothetical)question: if a majority of the populace demand it back, should it be reinstated?

It is completely irrelevant and utterly pointless to discuss this, again.

No convicted criminal will ever be officially executed in this country in any of our lifetimes.

Majority must not be able to control something like this. It is wrong to kill and torture people judicially. Always.

A democratic majority can't change that.

Imagine said majority voted in someone to kill minorities. Ethnic cleansing. Would that be OK?

Oh, nearly forgot, Hitler was democratically elected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hopefully.

There seems to be a fairly rabid baying for blood from some people though.

Which poses another(hypothetical)question: if a majority of the populace demand it back, should it be reinstated?

It is completely irrelevant and utterly pointless to discuss this, again.

No convicted criminal will ever be officially executed in this country in any of our lifetimes.

Majority must not be able to control something like this. It is wrong to kill and torture people judicially. Always.

A democratic majority can't change that.

Imagine said majority voted in someone to kill minorities. Ethnic cleansing. Would that be OK?

Oh, nearly forgot, Hitler was democratically elected. "

Godwin's law alert!!! The thread is over.

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over a year ago

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