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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

as someone who has previously worked in low payed jobs at a young age I'd like to say that, whilst working for certain company's at 19 I was payed less than anyone over 24. Even people who had less experience than me or started their after I joined. They were being payed 25% more and in many of the cases I was much better at the job. So it's not just gender inequality. Also I have a friend who is currently on benefits and he receives £56 per week at the age of 18 yet anyone over 24 receives £74 why does age mean he needs more to Live on.....and same goes for working tax credits. Anyone under 24 can't clam working tax credits unless they have children. So I could be working with someone a year older than me even if I have more experience and am better at my job, we have the exact same monthly outgoings/bills but because of his age he can receive the working tax top up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do they think many under 24's would still live with parents ? I know not all, but a large percentage would.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This is all regardless of any personal circumstances. And 90% of people I know who are 20-24 live in their own place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually thought benefits were changing from April for those up to age 36 in terms of housing benefit.

To be honest I think tax credits will get phased out over time if this government stay in power.

Is the over 24 pay scale just your employers?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No its all tbh I think it may be the minimum wage pay scale I think it may have been 21 and over at work it was few years back it's 24 and over for the tax credits ohh and just to add the national living wage is being implemented for over 25s as of April of 7.20ph someone aged 24 doesn't need a living wage :/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe it is because young people *should* be able to be more comfortable in cheaper types of accommodation. They are more likely to have parents or relatives that they can live with, or they are more likely to be able to live in a room in a shared house.

Once you get older - around the age of 24ish, you're less likely to get that same support from family, or you might have other factors precluding you from living in cheaper accommodation.

Also under the age of about 24 it's more usual for someone to be able to choose to be in state supported education of some kind - there are realistically more options open to someone that age that isn't 'unemployment'.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I disagree having lived in shared accommodation over several years from 16-21, the majority are middle aged divorcees. And alot of people aged 20-24 have children to support but don't live with their children surely their should be something in place to take specific circumstances into perspective?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the main reasons for lower pay in age for under 24 in the workplace in mainly unskilled workforce is an 18 year old will have less experience in the job than an older person, also you may not like it but one are was to encourage younger people to go into training and further education, and not st8 into the workforce, this may not be the case for everyone.

my work i am paid around £25 an hour trainees are paid £7.50 rising to £13

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

An example...person A is 21 has a child to an ex partner, he works on a low income pays child support and cannot live in shared accommodation so as to be able to accommodate his child on weekends, he will receive no assistance.....person B a 35 year old male has no dependants works on a low income, he lives in shared accommodation, he receives working tax credits and housing benefit on top of his low income

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"An example...person A is 21 has a child to an ex partner, he works on a low income pays child support and cannot live in shared accommodation so as to be able to accommodate his child on weekends, he will receive no assistance.....person B a 35 year old male has no dependants works on a low income, he lives in shared accommodation, he receives working tax credits and housing benefit on top of his low income"
person a did not use a condom and person b did use a condom or fires blanks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"An example...person A is 21 has a child to an ex partner, he works on a low income pays child support and cannot live in shared accommodation so as to be able to accommodate his child on weekends, he will receive no assistance.....person B a 35 year old male has no dependants works on a low income, he lives in shared accommodation, he receives working tax credits and housing benefit on top of his low income person a did not use a condom and person b did use a condom or fires blanks"

Not funny or helpful -_-

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more"

Why didn't you ask for more money? Surely if you're an exceptional worker, they'll pay more to keep you. If you're doing the bare minimum, they'll pay you that in compensation.

How hard have you tried to earn more, instead of just whinging about it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you make some very good points op

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more

Why didn't you ask for more money? Surely if you're an exceptional worker, they'll pay more to keep you. If you're doing the bare minimum, they'll pay you that in compensation.

How hard have you tried to earn more, instead of just whinging about it?"

This is not my situation now, so il have you know I'm not 'whinging' about it my current profession is a decent wage working in a secure mental health setting. It's in regards to people I know and I believe it's unfair....what I also believe is unfair is the fact that if it wasn't an age related mater and it was a gender matter I'm sure your perspective would be different

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think you make some very good points op "

Thankyou

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more

Why didn't you ask for more money? Surely if you're an exceptional worker, they'll pay more to keep you. If you're doing the bare minimum, they'll pay you that in compensation.

How hard have you tried to earn more, instead of just whinging about it?

This is not my situation now, so il have you know I'm not 'whinging' about it my current profession is a decent wage working in a secure mental health setting. It's in regards to people I know and I believe it's unfair....what I also believe is unfair is the fact that if it wasn't an age related mater and it was a gender matter I'm sure your perspective would be different "

No, it wouldn't as I'm not hyper sensitive.

I believe pay is often worked out according to skills required and ability. The pay tiers for younger people is because younger people mostly have lower expenditures.

If you were in a high skilled job, you wouldn't be affected, perhaps it's also encouragement to stay in education or seek apprenticeships.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So what about lower skilled jobs, ie warehousing ect ect do they not deserve the same pay when spending 12 hours unloading wagons? Even if they have more experience than others

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

And who says that most 20-24 year old have less expenditure to someone aged 25-30

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" as someone who has previously worked in low payed jobs at a young age I'd like to say that, whilst working for certain company's at 19 I was payed less than anyone over 24. Even people who had less experience than me or started their after I joined. They were being payed 25% more and in many of the cases I was much better at the job. So it's not just gender inequality. Also I have a friend who is currently on benefits and he receives £56 per week at the age of 18 yet anyone over 24 receives £74 why does age mean he needs more to Live on.....and same goes for working tax credits. Anyone under 24 can't clam working tax credits unless they have children. So I could be working with someone a year older than me even if I have more experience and am better at my job, we have the exact same monthly outgoings/bills but because of his age he can receive the working tax top up"
the fact that you know so much about the benefits system is a little worrying in itself ,concentrate on improving your skills and progressing to better paid jobs forget the benefits system its their as a backup when you get in trouble

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" as someone who has previously worked in low payed jobs at a young age I'd like to say that, whilst working for certain company's at 19 I was payed less than anyone over 24. Even people who had less experience than me or started their after I joined. They were being payed 25% more and in many of the cases I was much better at the job. So it's not just gender inequality. Also I have a friend who is currently on benefits and he receives £56 per week at the age of 18 yet anyone over 24 receives £74 why does age mean he needs more to Live on.....and same goes for working tax credits. Anyone under 24 can't clam working tax credits unless they have children. So I could be working with someone a year older than me even if I have more experience and am better at my job, we have the exact same monthly outgoings/bills but because of his age he can receive the working tax top up the fact that you know so much about the benefits system is a little worrying in itself ,concentrate on improving your skills and progressing to better paid jobs forget the benefits system its their as a backup when you get in trouble "

Why on earth is it worrying?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" as someone who has previously worked in low payed jobs at a young age I'd like to say that, whilst working for certain company's at 19 I was payed less than anyone over 24. Even people who had less experience than me or started their after I joined. They were being payed 25% more and in many of the cases I was much better at the job. So it's not just gender inequality. Also I have a friend who is currently on benefits and he receives £56 per week at the age of 18 yet anyone over 24 receives £74 why does age mean he needs more to Live on.....and same goes for working tax credits. Anyone under 24 can't clam working tax credits unless they have children. So I could be working with someone a year older than me even if I have more experience and am better at my job, we have the exact same monthly outgoings/bills but because of his age he can receive the working tax top up the fact that you know so much about the benefits system is a little worrying in itself ,concentrate on improving your skills and progressing to better paid jobs forget the benefits system its their as a backup when you get in trouble "

If you read the full list you will see I'm employed currently however there has been times where I've had to use the benefit system.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I spent alot of time as a younger lad working in low payed jobs so I needed to know if their was any help out their, at 16/17 I was working for 3.60ph and was living on my own, I had to find out ins and outs of what help was available otherwise I'd of been homeless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

op, now i have read through your thoughts, you make some truly valid points regarding pay structure and age related issues

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"op, now i have read through your thoughts, you make some truly valid points regarding pay structure and age related issues"

All I'm trying to get across is that surely minimum wage should be the same regardless off age, minimum wage is exactly what it says, your not going to be on minimum wage as a skilled or trained professional. Minimum wage is set so to stop people in lower killed jobs being taken advantage of. And the fact that the benefits agency shouldn't generalise people in age brackets because not everyone will fit the mould and some people will be getting more than needed and some people less it should be done on personal circumstances

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Skilled jobs#

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

op you cover many areas and age is just one issue when it come to pay. and it may seem unfair but its a move away from state dependant benefits, yes these are in place and i say all who is entitled should get the help but not use it as a god given right, my parents did not have state benefits, family allowance was not even in when we where small and they had to make do. too many rely on state for money when in work and this should be put on the employer to made to pay more

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"the main reasons for lower pay in age for under 24 in the workplace in mainly unskilled workforce is an 18 year old will have less experience in the job than an older person, also you may not like it but one are was to encourage younger people to go into training and further education, and not st8 into the workforce, this may not be the case for everyone.

my work i am paid around £25 an hour trainees are paid £7.50 rising to £13"

And this sort of pay scale is fine as their being trained, I have no issue with being on a lower wage while training or being on an apprenticeship. What I'm talking about I'd being full time employed in a low skilled job for example a factory worker ect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the main reasons for lower pay in age for under 24 in the workplace in mainly unskilled workforce is an 18 year old will have less experience in the job than an older person, also you may not like it but one are was to encourage younger people to go into training and further education, and not st8 into the workforce, this may not be the case for everyone.

my work i am paid around £25 an hour trainees are paid £7.50 rising to £13

And this sort of pay scale is fine as their being trained, I have no issue with being on a lower wage while training or being on an apprenticeship. What I'm talking about I'd being full time employed in a low skilled job for example a factory worker ect"
welcome to reality it was 10 year olds doing that work until society moved on and laws came into place

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just to add in regards to the benefits I'm not advocating the government should give the working tax to under 25yo my position is if someone 20-25 can live on this in a stable own accommodation, on the low income, supporting his child surly the tax credits should be scrapped for any single person across the board, benefits are supposed to be the minimum needed to get by, not provide money for luxurys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" as someone who has previously worked in low payed jobs at a young age I'd like to say that, whilst working for certain company's at 19 I was payed less than anyone over 24. Even people who had less experience than me or started their after I joined. They were being payed 25% more and in many of the cases I was much better at the job. So it's not just gender inequality. Also I have a friend who is currently on benefits and he receives £56 per week at the age of 18 yet anyone over 24 receives £74 why does age mean he needs more to Live on.....and same goes for working tax credits. Anyone under 24 can't clam working tax credits unless they have children. So I could be working with someone a year older than me even if I have more experience and am better at my job, we have the exact same monthly outgoings/bills but because of his age he can receive the working tax top up the fact that you know so much about the benefits system is a little worrying in itself ,concentrate on improving your skills and progressing to better paid jobs forget the benefits system its their as a backup when you get in trouble

Why on earth is it worrying? "
its worrying because I know absolutely nothing about it and I'm 46 x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree, i lived in my own flat and worked full time since I was 18, when I was work I wasn't doing any less work or less high quality work than someone older than me who had been there the same length of time. I'm surprised it's allowed under equality laws.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more

Why didn't you ask for more money? Surely if you're an exceptional worker, they'll pay more to keep you. If you're doing the bare minimum, they'll pay you that in compensation.

How hard have you tried to earn more, instead of just whinging about it?

This is not my situation now, so il have you know I'm not 'whinging' about it my current profession is a decent wage working in a secure mental health setting. It's in regards to people I know and I believe it's unfair....what I also believe is unfair is the fact that if it wasn't an age related mater and it was a gender matter I'm sure your perspective would be different "
hang on. That was bloody quick, you've completly changed your life round, secured a job and are settled since your post of only a couple of weeks ago?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more

Why didn't you ask for more money? Surely if you're an exceptional worker, they'll pay more to keep you. If you're doing the bare minimum, they'll pay you that in compensation.

How hard have you tried to earn more, instead of just whinging about it?

This is not my situation now, so il have you know I'm not 'whinging' about it my current profession is a decent wage working in a secure mental health setting. It's in regards to people I know and I believe it's unfair....what I also believe is unfair is the fact that if it wasn't an age related mater and it was a gender matter I'm sure your perspective would be different hang on. That was bloody quick, you've completly changed your life round, secured a job and are settled since your post of only a couple of weeks ago?"

Yes I have and only in the last few days , I've started working back at my old workplace, yes having been released from prison 2 months ago I am aloud to work in mental health it's just harder to get a job back in the sector but my old employer knows my worth and after a long interview was given my job back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what about lower skilled jobs, ie warehousing ect ect do they not deserve the same pay when spending 12 hours unloading wagons? Even if they have more experience than others"

I don't think I'm the person that decides the worth of a younger worker. I have been in the same position when I was 15, and I know I didn't have the same expenditure as an older person with a family to support.

I'm sure if the money was desperately needed, a job where you're not paid the absolute bare minimum would be sought. Those are not career jobs, they're to fall back on when nothing else is available. It's silly to argue "minimum wage isn't enough" or it's unfair when you could just get a better paid job if you're that experienced.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more

Why didn't you ask for more money? Surely if you're an exceptional worker, they'll pay more to keep you. If you're doing the bare minimum, they'll pay you that in compensation.

How hard have you tried to earn more, instead of just whinging about it?

This is not my situation now, so il have you know I'm not 'whinging' about it my current profession is a decent wage working in a secure mental health setting. It's in regards to people I know and I believe it's unfair....what I also believe is unfair is the fact that if it wasn't an age related mater and it was a gender matter I'm sure your perspective would be different hang on. That was bloody quick, you've completly changed your life round, secured a job and are settled since your post of only a couple of weeks ago?

Yes I have and only in the last few days , I've started working back at my old workplace, yes having been released from prison 2 months ago I am aloud to work in mental health it's just harder to get a job back in the sector but my old employer knows my worth and after a long interview was given my job back

"
well bloody good look to you and hope you appreciate and carry on turning everything round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes I can understand that if you have more experience ect ect....but just for instance my circumstances at the time....I was working in a Renault breakers yard I'd been their for over a year, I was a mentor for a guy who came into my workplace having never worked in the same industry however because of the age difference he was payed more

Why didn't you ask for more money? Surely if you're an exceptional worker, they'll pay more to keep you. If you're doing the bare minimum, they'll pay you that in compensation.

How hard have you tried to earn more, instead of just whinging about it?

This is not my situation now, so il have you know I'm not 'whinging' about it my current profession is a decent wage working in a secure mental health setting. It's in regards to people I know and I believe it's unfair....what I also believe is unfair is the fact that if it wasn't an age related mater and it was a gender matter I'm sure your perspective would be different hang on. That was bloody quick, you've completly changed your life round, secured a job and are settled since your post of only a couple of weeks ago?

Yes I have and only in the last few days , I've started working back at my old workplace, yes having been released from prison 2 months ago I am aloud to work in mental health it's just harder to get a job back in the sector but my old employer knows my worth and after a long interview was given my job back

"

Perhaps if you'd made better life choices, you'd be paid a more appropriate wage and you'd have been able to gain more experience by working instead of being imprisoned. These are the social repercussions of choosing to be a criminal.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You don't know my personal circumstances and certainly don't know me.... I wasn't advocating a higher minimum wage or anything of the sort I was saying it should be equal to people of equil situations and work ethic. In regards to my imprisonment I'd like to say it was my first offence, drink and dangerous driving and although this is no excuse I was struggling through some seriously rough times and had a minor break down and in regards to my work im very happy in my averagely payed jobs and also some individuals due to circumstances need to apply for the lower skilled jobs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So what about lower skilled jobs, ie warehousing ect ect do they not deserve the same pay when spending 12 hours unloading wagons? Even if they have more experience than others"

Many "dirty" jobs like warehousing are often actually paid above the minimum wage regardless of age. It's usually shifty admin and service jobs that are paid minimum wage.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Having done lots of warehousing work it's not always the case I was just using this as a example

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having done lots of warehousing work it's not always the case I was just using this as a example "

Well, I guess he only thing to say about the benefits and minimum wage situation is that there are always people who don't fit the mold. Unfortunately those who have chosen a different life, such as yourself, will always be outliers. The System can't cope with everyone, but it manages most people ok.

You do seem quite passionate about these issues - are you a member of any campaign group who are pressuring the government to review the minimum wage laws? It sounds like you could really be a force for good.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Having done lots of warehousing work it's not always the case I was just using this as a example

Well, I guess he only thing to say about the benefits and minimum wage situation is that there are always people who don't fit the mold. Unfortunately those who have chosen a different life, such as yourself, will always be outliers. The System can't cope with everyone, but it manages most people ok.

You do seem quite passionate about these issues - are you a member of any campaign group who are pressuring the government to review the minimum wage laws? It sounds like you could really be a force for good."

I've not no but I'm definitely going look into it. The majority of service users I've worked with are of this age group and hearing individual and personal stories of how these things affect them is why I'm so pationate. And yes I've only been back in work a week but before prison I'd been working in mental health over a year. The majority of single people aged over 25 on low incomes receive working tax. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but what I do feel is if the single workers in the exact same financial situation who are under 25 can live without it then surely that shows that it shouldn't be given out at all as benefits are supposed to be for basic necessitys. In regards to the minimum wage I'm not saying it should be raised or lowered just that it should be the same rate for everyone regardless of age. Minimum wage should be exactly that not at 24 your worth less in terms of value/pay to a company than someone 25

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having done lots of warehousing work it's not always the case I was just using this as a example

Well, I guess he only thing to say about the benefits and minimum wage situation is that there are always people who don't fit the mold. Unfortunately those who have chosen a different life, such as yourself, will always be outliers. The System can't cope with everyone, but it manages most people ok.

You do seem quite passionate about these issues - are you a member of any campaign group who are pressuring the government to review the minimum wage laws? It sounds like you could really be a force for good.

I've not no but I'm definitely going look into it. The majority of service users I've worked with are of this age group and hearing individual and personal stories of how these things affect them is why I'm so pationate. And yes I've only been back in work a week but before prison I'd been working in mental health over a year. The majority of single people aged over 25 on low incomes receive working tax. I'm not saying this is a bad thing but what I do feel is if the single workers in the exact same financial situation who are under 25 can live without it then surely that shows that it shouldn't be given out at all as benefits are supposed to be for basic necessitys. In regards to the minimum wage I'm not saying it should be raised or lowered just that it should be the same rate for everyone regardless of age. Minimum wage should be exactly that not at 24 your worth less in terms of value/pay to a company than someone 25 "

I don't agree with you really, but I do think it's good that you're picking up a cause for something you believe in.

At 16 I had way less experience generally in life than my 18 year old self. Because of that, I think I was worth less money to an employer. And at 18 I was worth less than my 24 year old self.

It's not just direct work experience that affects how you perform at work, but also experience living life more generally. My problem solving and communication skills are far better now than they were when I was 24 - and because of that I believe I'd be worth more to an employer than someone much younger than me with similar employment capability. However I'm fairly sure that my 24 year old self would have thought she was awesome and could take on anyone - hindsight is a wonderful thing!

And if you want to talk about benefits and things - I lived for a while on less than £20 a week. Perhaps we should pay everyone less than £20 a week on benefits because I managed to do it? I don't think so - because I am a statistical abnormality.

(NB I can't comment on tax credits because I've *never* been eligible for them. Not once in my 15 year working life, despite being employed on minimal wages and being unemployed at points.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"op, now i have read through your thoughts, you make some truly valid points regarding pay structure and age related issues

All I'm trying to get across is that surely minimum wage should be the same regardless off age, minimum wage is exactly what it says, your not going to be on minimum wage as a skilled or trained professional. Minimum wage is set so to stop people in lower killed jobs being taken advantage of. And the fact that the benefits agency shouldn't generalise people in age brackets because not everyone will fit the mould and some people will be getting more than needed and some people less it should be done on personal circumstances "

I think the problem would be that the cost to sit and work out the benefit to suit personal circa would be massive. Plus, if circus change - then it has to be recalculated and it ends up in a mess. It happens a lot with housing benefit - they stop it when a change is reported and then that person is behind on rent.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meant circumstances not circus, blasted predictive text

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