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"Tony Blair said that his gun control law was inspired by what had happened at Dunblane. I thought yesterday about how much Obama probably wishes he could do something similar. The little ones at Dunblane will not be forgotten. "It only took 2 years to bring the new legislation in here, in the States gun societies are far bigger and have a lot of "donations" from very powerful people | |||
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"It was awful watching the footage at the time. They were so young. Felt sad watching the news about it today. Did they ever find out why he did it - I know he killed himself , but I wondered if they ever worked out what his motive was? Sarah " As the head teacher said evil visited dunblane that day, they didn't focus on him which was good but I don't think they ever got answers. | |||
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Such a tragic day. I was unaware that they waited so long to be told. How awful that the mum was unable to go to the hospital to be with her daughter as she died. | |||
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"It was awful watching the footage at the time. They were so young. Felt sad watching the news about it today. Did they ever find out why he did it - I know he killed himself , but I wondered if they ever worked out what his motive was? Sarah " From what I can gather he felt a sense of frustration due to having several of his boy's clubs shut down but they were absolutely right to have shut down his clubs as he seemed like an incredibly dodgy character and should have never been anywhere near kids. Maybe he felt the need to take his frustration out on these poor kids by committing such a despicable act  | |||
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"It was awful watching the footage at the time. They were so young. Felt sad watching the news about it today. Did they ever find out why he did it - I know he killed himself , but I wondered if they ever worked out what his motive was? Sarah From what I can gather he felt a sense of frustration due to having several of his boy's clubs shut down but they were absolutely right to have shut down his clubs as he seemed like an incredibly dodgy character and should have never been anywhere near kids. Maybe he felt the need to take his frustration out on these poor kids by committing such a despicable act "I read Judy Murray's account of what happened, it was very moving. She used to give him a lift if she saw him out walking. | |||
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"Tony Blair said that his gun control law was inspired by what had happened at Dunblane. I thought yesterday about how much Obama probably wishes he could do something similar. The little ones at Dunblane will not be forgotten.
It only took 2 years to bring the new legislation in here, in the States gun societies are far bigger and have a lot of "donations" from very powerful people "Isn't the amendment also a big obstacle to overcome with regards to US gun control? Not sure. B | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law "Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing. | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing."I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners. If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them. This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime. | |||
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"Tony Blair said that his gun control law was inspired by what had happened at Dunblane. I thought yesterday about how much Obama probably wishes he could do something similar. The little ones at Dunblane will not be forgotten.
It only took 2 years to bring the new legislation in here, in the States gun societies are far bigger and have a lot of "donations" from very powerful people
Isn't the amendment also a big obstacle to overcome with regards to US gun control? Not sure.
B"Yeah it is, I'm not sure gun laws will ever change in the US even after presidents have been assinated by shooting and attempted assinations | |||
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"Very sad that so many lost their lives 20 years ago this coming Sunday. Interestingly nobody has commented on the Public Enquiry led by Lord Cullen, a good portion of it was sealed for 100 years. Now why do you think that would be???" Because they wanted to hide the facts that: 1. The firearms licensing system was not followed; there are at least 5 people who should have been prosecuted for failing to carry out their duties; they wanted to allow them to quietly " retire" with no penalty. 2. The fact that the firearms licenicing database, was swiftly wiped the day after the shootings, to conceal the failings, and the fines concerning firsts licenicing " dissapeared" 3. The fact that the Cullen enquiry actually found that if procedures were followed, this would have never happened; and that there was actually no legal reason to change firearms law; this however was at odds with the " Ban all firearms" lobby so the report was sealed to ensure that it could not be used to defeat the new firearms legislation. | |||
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I had a friend who's little sister was at that school and when I tried phoning to make sure she was ok, I couldn't get an answer so was very much in a panic. Thankfully she was ok but it still breaks my heart for those that weren't ok
"16 bloody times a 5 year old dies" - I still have the cd they brought out.
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"Very sad that so many lost their lives 20 years ago this coming Sunday. Interestingly nobody has commented on the Public Enquiry led by Lord Cullen, a good portion of it was sealed for 100 years. Now why do you think that would be??? Because they wanted to hide the facts that: 1. The firearms licensing system was not followed; there are at least 5 people who should have been prosecuted for failing to carry out their duties; they wanted to allow them to quietly " retire" with no penalty. 2. The fact that the firearms licenicing database, was swiftly wiped the day after the shootings, to conceal the failings, and the fines concerning firsts licenicing " dissapeared" 3. The fact that the Cullen enquiry actually found that if procedures were followed, this would have never happened; and that there was actually no legal reason to change firearms law; this however was at odds with the " Ban all firearms" lobby so the report was sealed to ensure that it could not be used to defeat the new firearms legislation." Pretty sure there's a lot more to it than that.... try Google images using Thomas Hamilton and Jimmy Saville..... | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing.
I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners.
If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move
Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them.
This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime."All the law changed was making obtaining legal guns more difficult, and as usual they took the bulldozer approach which led to the closure of a number of shooting clubs which were of no real threat to anyone. Buying an illegal gun is still a fairly easy thing for someone determined enough and the law changes still wouldn't stop instances like the almost forgotten Horrat Campbell attack in Wolverhampton- less than 4 months after Dunblane, where a school was attached by a guy wielding a machete. | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing.
I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners.
If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move
Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them.
This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime.
All the law changed was making obtaining legal guns more difficult, and as usual they took the bulldozer approach which led to the closure of a number of shooting clubs which were of no real threat to anyone. Buying an illegal gun is still a fairly easy thing for someone determined enough and the law changes still wouldn't stop instances like the almost forgotten Horrat Campbell attack in Wolverhampton- less than 4 months after Dunblane, where a school was attached by a guy wielding a machete.". Actually banning weapons after mass shootings does reduce them this is backed up by stats here and in Australia where they did the same thing!. Banning things like guns stigmatises the owning of a gun and therefore reduces the numbers wanting to own one which reduces the odds of one of those owners having a mental breakdown and then doing something like dunblane. If nobody owned a gun at all anywhere in the UK the stats of gun deaths would fall again. | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing.
I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners.
If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move
Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them.
This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime.
All the law changed was making obtaining legal guns more difficult, and as usual they took the bulldozer approach which led to the closure of a number of shooting clubs which were of no real threat to anyone. Buying an illegal gun is still a fairly easy thing for someone determined enough and the law changes still wouldn't stop instances like the almost forgotten Horrat Campbell attack in Wolverhampton- less than 4 months after Dunblane, where a school was attached by a guy wielding a machete."YOU are aware Thomas Hamilton was a member of a few clubs and his hand guns were legal on his firearm certificate with that in mind, it would be much more difficult for him to carry out the attack today as for one; the only semi auto handgun you can have is a .22 and all other handguns owned legally, i.e. .38 or .44 have to be of a length that makes them very difficult to conceal | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing.
I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners.
If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move
Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them.
This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime.
All the law changed was making obtaining legal guns more difficult, and as usual they took the bulldozer approach which led to the closure of a number of shooting clubs which were of no real threat to anyone. Buying an illegal gun is still a fairly easy thing for someone determined enough and the law changes still wouldn't stop instances like the almost forgotten Horrat Campbell attack in Wolverhampton- less than 4 months after Dunblane, where a school was attached by a guy wielding a machete."If you look at nearly all of the mass shootings aka "active shooters", they generally involve people who held firearms legally. The legislation that followed removed firearms that in general weren't meant for hunting or specifically for competition target type shooting. Ultimately handguns were affected amongst other things. Were people with no intention of committing crime affected? Yes. But hey, how about you go and find another hobby in the interest of preventing those one or two incidents irregular as they be. You don't need to have guns regardless of your desire to have one. | |||
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"Tony Blair said that his gun control law was inspired by what had happened at Dunblane. I thought yesterday about how much Obama probably wishes he could do something similar. The little ones at Dunblane will not be forgotten. "Agreed! Obama's been fighting to change gun laws in the USA for most of his term of office! After the (seemingly) fairly frequently school killings in the U.S.A - it beggars belief that they stoically cling on to their 'right to bear arms' - no matter how many get slaughtered because of it!! | |||
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"Tony Blair said that his gun control law was inspired by what had happened at Dunblane. I thought yesterday about how much Obama probably wishes he could do something similar. The little ones at Dunblane will not be forgotten.
Agreed!
Obama's been fighting to change gun laws in the USA for most of his term of office!
After the (seemingly) fairly frequently school killings in the U.S.A - it beggars belief that they stoically cling on to their 'right to bear arms' - no matter how many get slaughtered because of it!! "I like Obama | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing.
I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners.
If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move
Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them.
This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime.
All the law changed was making obtaining legal guns more difficult, and as usual they took the bulldozer approach which led to the closure of a number of shooting clubs which were of no real threat to anyone. Buying an illegal gun is still a fairly easy thing for someone determined enough and the law changes still wouldn't stop instances like the almost forgotten Horrat Campbell attack in Wolverhampton- less than 4 months after Dunblane, where a school was attached by a guy wielding a machete..
Actually banning weapons after mass shootings does reduce them this is backed up by stats here and in Australia where they did the same thing!.
Banning things like guns stigmatises the owning of a gun and therefore reduces the numbers wanting to own one which reduces the odds of one of those owners having a mental breakdown and then doing something like dunblane.
If nobody owned a gun at all anywhere in the UK the stats of gun deaths would fall again.
"But you can't ban machete's or knives- or black market weapons, if someone wants to do something like this they'll find a way regardless of law | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing.
I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners.
If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move
Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them.
This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime.
All the law changed was making obtaining legal guns more difficult, and as usual they took the bulldozer approach which led to the closure of a number of shooting clubs which were of no real threat to anyone. Buying an illegal gun is still a fairly easy thing for someone determined enough and the law changes still wouldn't stop instances like the almost forgotten Horrat Campbell attack in Wolverhampton- less than 4 months after Dunblane, where a school was attached by a guy wielding a machete..
Actually banning weapons after mass shootings does reduce them this is backed up by stats here and in Australia where they did the same thing!.
Banning things like guns stigmatises the owning of a gun and therefore reduces the numbers wanting to own one which reduces the odds of one of those owners having a mental breakdown and then doing something like dunblane.
If nobody owned a gun at all anywhere in the UK the stats of gun deaths would fall again.
But you can't ban machete's or knives- or black market weapons, if someone wants to do something like this they'll find a way regardless of law"Yes. But the destructive nature of a gun makes it far easier to cause mass casualties. Once again the majority of these incidents involved legally held weapons,used by everyday people,not some underworld criminal. | |||
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"I recently watched a documentary on it too. Such an utterly senseless and cowardly thing to do. RIP to all those poor kids and my setiments go out to all those families who are one family member short. I'm not sure why America doesn't take a similar stance to what was taken after Dunblane. It's just so sad something so tragic had to happen for a change in law
Changing the law as changed nothing.Gun crime is higher now that it was 20 years ago.Changing the law as done nothing.
I disagree; changing the Law has made it much more difficult to own a firearm in UK whether it be a hand gun or rifle and has taken most hand guns away from UK owners.
If this prevents another Dunblane then this is a very good move
Who is to say that if this law was not put in place how many other murders in this way could have happened, and that was simply what it was - Murder or the worst kind, Murdering poor defenceless children who had there life's taken away from them.
This was a terrible time and 20 years on it is still bad that we have to remember such a despicable crime.
All the law changed was making obtaining legal guns more difficult, and as usual they took the bulldozer approach which led to the closure of a number of shooting clubs which were of no real threat to anyone. Buying an illegal gun is still a fairly easy thing for someone determined enough and the law changes still wouldn't stop instances like the almost forgotten Horrat Campbell attack in Wolverhampton- less than 4 months after Dunblane, where a school was attached by a guy wielding a machete..
Actually banning weapons after mass shootings does reduce them this is backed up by stats here and in Australia where they did the same thing!.
Banning things like guns stigmatises the owning of a gun and therefore reduces the numbers wanting to own one which reduces the odds of one of those owners having a mental breakdown and then doing something like dunblane.
If nobody owned a gun at all anywhere in the UK the stats of gun deaths would fall again.
But you can't ban machete's or knives- or black market weapons, if someone wants to do something like this they'll find a way regardless of law". No law prevents 1 stupid people being stupid 2 people having mental breakdowns . . What they do is make it harder for the mass destruction when the inevitable happens | |||
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