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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So they are thinking of giving men in Sweden an 'opt out' of fatherhood before 18 weeks of pregnancy if they feel they have been duped into becoming a father, meaning they will not have any emotional and financial obligation for their child.

What are your thoughts on this?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

yes its a good idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Emotionally yes, financially no.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

http://www.thelocal.se/20160304/let-men-have-legal-abortions

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By *ab femWoman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I would imagine you would get women not letting on they are pregnant until after the 18 weeks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Duped into fatherhood?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Duped into fatherhood?"

Woman saying she's on the pill when she's not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women can opt out of mother hood, they are allowed an abortion and the dad has no say, is this not the equivalent to a man aborting the child? (Sounds wierd but I know what I mean)

If a woman can decide she's mad a mistake and opt out why can't a man?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"I would imagine you would get women not letting on they are pregnant until after the 18 weeks.

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yes more than likely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they can live with that then let them get on with it. I couldnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow....

There's a tough one. So many good arguments for both sides of the fence.

surely there's a bit more to it then just opting out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would imagine you would get women not letting on they are pregnant until after the 18 weeks.

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Good point, i never thought about that.

I do think dads should be able to walk away from their kids because i don't think it's right that kids should have someone forced into their life who doesn't give a crap about them. Kids shouldn't learn that being neglected is a way of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes it's a good idea, they should start it here. Need an extra 4 hands to count the amount of mates who have been trapped by girls telling them they're on birth control but weren't. Even know a few who's girlfriends put holes in the condoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since when has birth control been the sole responsibility of the female?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anybody should be made to be a parent

Anybody who's forced to be with their child will not be doing it out of love and not likely to be a good parent, surely the child is better off without out them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Since when has birth control been the sole responsibility of the female?

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Always

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

theres no opt out for the mother, just a thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"theres no opt out for the mother, just a thought"

Of course there is

Abortion, adoption

No women has to have or keep a child she don't want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Since when has birth control been the sole responsibility of the female?

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Ever since the day we could only get it if we were married to a man.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

I feel that having a baby is a joint decision. If you can both sit down and be rational at least the mother will be able to make an informed decision based on the fathers choice.

Bottom line is wear a condom men then you have made your initial choice clear and simple, no excuses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think anybody should be made to be a parent

Anybody who's forced to be with their child will not be doing it out of love and not likely to be a good parent, surely the child is better off without out them "

That doesn't mean the child is not entitled to financial support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Since when has birth control been the sole responsibility of the female?

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This he also has the option to put a bag on it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"theres no opt out for the mother, just a thought

Of course there is

Abortion, adoption

No women has to have or keep a child she don't want "
agreed. I haven't given this enough thought but I have always felt it was unfair that a woman can decide to abort even if the father wants them not to, which I know is different to this.... Not sure what I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think there should be a maximum amount of times its allowed other wise your just taking the responsibility away from men

Some men will just abuse it and just sleep about unprotected because there's no repercussion for their actions and that shouldn't be allowrd

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"theres no opt out for the mother, just a thought

Of course there is

Abortion, adoption

No women has to have or keep a child she don't want "

the thread is about the man being able to opt out?? if the woman want to keep the child then the father should pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We (well sweden) wouldn't need laws like this though if people knew how babies were made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Women can opt out of mother hood, they are allowed an abortion and the dad has no say, is this not the equivalent to a man aborting the child? (Sounds wierd but I know what I mean)

If a woman can decide she's mad a mistake and opt out why can't a man?"

That's exactly the theory behind it.

Personally I don't think it's great because I think it risks more people practicing unprotected sex because now both sexes have an 'opt out' of responsibility. I don't believe abortions (legal or physical) should be a default form of contraception.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"theres no opt out for the mother, just a thought

Of course there is

Abortion, adoption

No women has to have or keep a child she don't want

the thread is about the man being able to opt out?? if the woman want to keep the child then the father should pay"

Yes the thread is about men being able to opt out but you said women can't opt out I'm just saying they can

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is one of the best forum topics I've seen for a while.

Kinda gives the father the right to "abort" his responsibility.....so I can see the logic in the argument.

However as a father of three I could not see myself doing that from the emotional side, although I was never "tricked" into fatherhood.

(Have been requested to "breed" a few on here...but they are now just on my block list).

Will be interesting to see how this pans out in practice a few years down the road!

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago


"Since when has birth control been the sole responsibility of the female?

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never .... but if you want a job doing properly then do it yourself may also be applicable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The concept of "equality" is a moot one here since only women can get pregnant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting topic. Wonder how that child will feel if they ever decided to find their father in adulthood.

And how do they prove they were duped unless someone is there at conception?

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting topic. Wonder how that child will feel if they ever decided to find their father in adulthood.

And how do they prove they were duped unless someone is there at conception?

Sarah "

I would imagine that this potential new legal approach would be there specifically so that they cannot be found.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting topic. Wonder how that child will feel if they ever decided to find their father in adulthood.

And how do they prove they were duped unless someone is there at conception?

Sarah "

I would imagine if they wasn't duped they wouldn't be walking away?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are thinking of giving men in Sweden an 'opt out' of fatherhood before 18 weeks of pregnancy if they feel they have been duped into becoming a father, meaning they will not have any emotional and financial obligation for their child.

What are your thoughts on this?"

Depends on circumstance, however I tell my stepson to cover up even his girl says she is on the pill. So in my mind it would take a fairly conniving girl for the guy to be able to walk away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting topic. Wonder how that child will feel if they ever decided to find their father in adulthood.

And how do they prove they were duped unless someone is there at conception?

Sarah

I would imagine that this potential new legal approach would be there specifically so that they cannot be found."

Yes true, but the mother would know their name etc. I guess it's a deterrent to try to stop it happening at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting but this thread makes me feel a little sad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My other thought is - it's hard on the child as they wont be able to ascertain their family medical history. If they needed to know it for any reason on the Dads side. So it's a strange concept.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 2 to make a baby so how can they be duped into having a baby?

Maybe if the man was responsible and wrapped up no one would be in that situation!

So the girl just has to take all the financial responsibility cause the man doesn't have the balls to do the right thing!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting topic. Wonder how that child will feel if they ever decided to find their father in adulthood.

And how do they prove they were duped unless someone is there at conception?

Sarah

I would imagine if they wasn't duped they wouldn't be walking away?"

Nope. My ex walked away from his 2 kids, that he willingly participated in making.

Has never paid anything for them, nobody forced him to pay maintainance.

It's fucked his kids heads up a little, made life harder for them and me. But he wasn't duped into having them and he abandoned them. Would have been great if he'd officially done that then his kids would know what i piece of shit he is and it wasn't anything to do with them or their fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Women can opt out of mother hood, they are allowed an abortion and the dad has no say, is this not the equivalent to a man aborting the child? (Sounds wierd but I know what I mean)

If a woman can decide she's mad a mistake and opt out why can't a man?"

It's an interesting question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They need to rush and get a male pill invented.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting topic. Wonder how that child will feel if they ever decided to find their father in adulthood.

And how do they prove they were duped unless someone is there at conception?

Sarah

I would imagine if they wasn't duped they wouldn't be walking away?

Nope. My ex walked away from his 2 kids, that he willingly participated in making.

Has never paid anything for them, nobody forced him to pay maintainance.

It's fucked his kids heads up a little, made life harder for them and me. But he wasn't duped into having them and he abandoned them. Would have been great if he'd officially done that then his kids would know what i piece of shit he is and it wasn't anything to do with them or their fault."

my kids dad is the same, hes never paid a penny towards them since we split nearly nine years ago now, never even bought them a birthday card and we was married so he certainly wasnt duped, infact it was him who bought up having our third child

but i was more thinking of the situation in question where they walk away while thr woman is pregnant

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I can see, (and agree with). the logic behind this proposal.

But I also see the pitfalls.

Duplicitous women hiding their pregnancies. Amoral philandering men impregnating women and moving on to the next target.

Guess there is a downside to sexual equality after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a difficult question, Personally I feel people shouldn't be allowed children unless they can show a planned ability to support the child financially. Accepting that shit happens, and benefits need to be there if it does.

How you achieve this I don't really know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting topic. Wonder how that child will feel if they ever decided to find their father in adulthood.

And how do they prove they were duped unless someone is there at conception?

Sarah

I would imagine if they wasn't duped they wouldn't be walking away?

Nope. My ex walked away from his 2 kids, that he willingly participated in making.

Has never paid anything for them, nobody forced him to pay maintainance.

It's fucked his kids heads up a little, made life harder for them and me. But he wasn't duped into having them and he abandoned them. Would have been great if he'd officially done that then his kids would know what i piece of shit he is and it wasn't anything to do with them or their fault.

my kids dad is the same, hes never paid a penny towards them since we split nearly nine years ago now, never even bought them a birthday card and we was married so he certainly wasnt duped, infact it was him who bought up having our third child

but i was more thinking of the situation in question where they walk away while thr woman is pregnant"

I don't think they even want kids, or do have them as some kind of control over you.

So yeah you brought up something a little interesting now i think more about it.

How many guys who want to use their kids to control their (ex)partner are gonna give up rights to those kids? None.

Not sure if it's a good thing to have this or not now, it's not gonna work in the way it was intended i reckon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As per a similar sort of thread regarding children the other day... if your LUCKY enough to be able to produce a child, then take your responsibility and be the best parent you can!

Think of the UNLUCKY ones out there that would give anything to be able to become a parent, but are unable to.

This makes me soo bloody angry, people don't know the Hurt caused by not being able to reproduce, and they just leave a child with no feelings.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Women can opt out of mother hood, they are allowed an abortion and the dad has no say, is this not the equivalent to a man aborting the child? (Sounds wierd but I know what I mean)

If a woman can decide she's mad a mistake and opt out why can't a man?"
i actually agree with this. A woman can decide a child's life without the father's consent so a man should be able to walk away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They need to rush and get a male pill invented. "

There needs to be more male contraceptive options available.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"As per a similar sort of thread regarding children the other day... if your LUCKY enough to be able to produce a child, then take your responsibility and be the best parent you can!

Think of the UNLUCKY ones out there that would give anything to be able to become a parent, but are unable to.

This makes me soo bloody angry, people don't know the Hurt caused by not being able to reproduce, and they just leave a child with no feelings. "
so a man and a woman can be in a relationship and the man wants the baby but the woman doesn't and she can avort with no second thought to the father but the father shouldn't be able to walk away?

And I have every sympathy for people who can't have children I was told I was infertile so I know what emotions are there (although i went on to havd a child) but because someone can't have a child you can't say everyone else should feel fortunate and lucky if for whatever reason an unwanted pregnancy occurs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting but in the end pretty much hypothetical. Proving that the man was "duped" would not be easy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As per a similar sort of thread regarding children the other day... if your LUCKY enough to be able to produce a child, then take your responsibility and be the best parent you can!

Think of the UNLUCKY ones out there that would give anything to be able to become a parent, but are unable to.

This makes me soo bloody angry, people don't know the Hurt caused by not being able to reproduce, and they just leave a child with no feelings. "

That's poor argument. Just because someone wants kids and can't have them doesn't mean they will be a great and responsible parents if they had that choice, so you can't really expect anyone else to be one either and definitely not out of pity for someone who is infertile.

My cousin was obsessed with having kids, gutted she couldn't have them, miraculousy got pregnant then spent the next couple of years whinging about not being able to get pregnant again while neglecting the first kid pretty badly.

Although i do agree crap parenting can mess kids up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In infuriated by some of the posts on here!

If you don't want a child, then make sure you are protected sufficiently, that includes buying your own condoms which you should know have not been tampered with.

How many of you are parents and wish you wasn't? Or how many of you have abandoned your child because you didn't want it??

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Women can opt out of mother hood, they are allowed an abortion and the dad has no say, is this not the equivalent to a man aborting the child? (Sounds wierd but I know what I mean)

If a woman can decide she's mad a mistake and opt out why can't a man?i actually agree with this. A woman can decide a child's life without the father's consent so a man should be able to walk away."

Its not fair that he can have his life ruined.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Women can opt out of mother hood, they are allowed an abortion and the dad has no say, is this not the equivalent to a man aborting the child? (Sounds wierd but I know what I mean)

If a woman can decide she's mad a mistake and opt out why can't a man?"

That's a logical way of looking at it and seems fair, I understand what you mean.

I actually don't know where I stand on this. I think as with so many things each individual case would need investigation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know any different have raised my girls as a single mum to have a man in my life would just be weird x

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"As per a similar sort of thread regarding children the other day... if your LUCKY enough to be able to produce a child, then take your responsibility and be the best parent you can!

Think of the UNLUCKY ones out there that would give anything to be able to become a parent, but are unable to.

This makes me soo bloody angry, people don't know the Hurt caused by not being able to reproduce, and they just leave a child with no feelings. "
where talking about walking away from an 18 week pregnancy not a child.

Start a thread about walking away from children and my answers would be completly different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry diamond.... just makes me soo angry knowing there's people out there reproducing just for fun, when I can't have any myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Women can opt out of mother hood, they are allowed an abortion and the dad has no say, is this not the equivalent to a man aborting the child? (Sounds wierd but I know what I mean)

If a woman can decide she's mad a mistake and opt out why can't a man?i actually agree with this. A woman can decide a child's life without the father's consent so a man should be able to walk away.

Its not fair that he can have his life ruined."

welcome back we've missed you

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"In infuriated by some of the posts on here!

If you don't want a child, then make sure you are protected sufficiently, that includes buying your own condoms which you should know have not been tampered with.

How many of you are parents and wish you wasn't? Or how many of you have abandoned your child because you didn't want it??

"
because noone has ever got pregnant whole using contraception have they?

This thread isn't about abandoning a child

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Sorry diamond.... just makes me soo angry knowing there's people out there reproducing just for fun, when I can't have any myself.

"
I can understand your angry as I said I know the emotions attached to being told you can't have children. But just because you can't have something you really can't expect everyone to be happy over an unwanted pregnancy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to add I fell pregnant both times on the pill x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A 18 week pregnancy is a child developing, same as a child that's been born in my eyes.

Ok so some of you may say im wrong, some may actually agree, a pregnancy develops into a baby. .. simple fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes two to tango and the men should be responsible for their own actions. I'm sure the women didn't force their cocks inside them!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Just to add I fell pregnant both times on the pill x"

And I became pregnant while we were using condoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry diamond.... just makes me soo angry knowing there's people out there reproducing just for fun, when I can't have any myself.

I can understand your angry as I said I know the emotions attached to being told you can't have children. But just because you can't have something you really can't expect everyone to be happy over an unwanted pregnancy"

It's seeing these sort of threads that bring it all back and to be quite honest it's upsetting to me.

Sorry, must be the female hormones today!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It takes two to tango and the men should be responsible for their own actions."

They are being given the responsibility of their own actions - by getting a choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've fallen pregnant while using contraception as well. It's not my fault if anyone else is infertile.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

320 000 fathers REFUSE to pay any support for their children in this country.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"A 18 week pregnancy is a child developing, same as a child that's been born in my eyes.

Ok so some of you may say im wrong, some may actually agree, a pregnancy develops into a baby. .. simple fact. "
ok, as you feel so strongly. What would you do if you where in a loving relationship with a woman either married or single and she became pregnant and without consulting you went and had an abortion?

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By *agan_PairCouple
over a year ago

portchester

It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some amazing single mums out there not forgetting the single dads too x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think anybody should be made to be a parent

Anybody who's forced to be with their child will not be doing it out of love and not likely to be a good parent, surely the child is better off without out them "

I agree. And everyone should take more care who they decide to bring a child into the world with. If you think someone is scum/deadbeat/worthless, then how about not creating life with them.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Personally, I'd prefer the guy to walk away from the off and not walk away when the child is born or about three or has a bond or to be dipping in and out there lives. The child will never have known the father or have the upset of them walking out their lives when older

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Knowing that the father will not be there to support or help raise the child could result in more abortions. Can a woman who has been told by the father that he wants the child have the same option?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law ! "

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A 18 week pregnancy is a child developing, same as a child that's been born in my eyes.

Ok so some of you may say im wrong, some may actually agree, a pregnancy develops into a baby. .. simple fact. ok, as you feel so strongly. What would you do if you where in a loving relationship with a woman either married or single and she became pregnant and without consulting you went and had an abortion?"

I would be heartbroken, but that's never going to happen unfortunately

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"A 18 week pregnancy is a child developing, same as a child that's been born in my eyes.

Ok so some of you may say im wrong, some may actually agree, a pregnancy develops into a baby. .. simple fact. ok, as you feel so strongly. What would you do if you where in a loving relationship with a woman either married or single and she became pregnant and without consulting you went and had an abortion?

I would be heartbroken, but that's never going to happen unfortunately "
exactly, but every woman has the ability to do that without thinking about you.

A man doesn't have the option this is my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but this law is horrendous. Wither she claims to on the pill or not It is also our responsibility to protect ourselves.

Would you drive a car at 100Mph without a seatbelt. No? Chances are you won't need it but you put it on just incase.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My other thought is - it's hard on the child as they wont be able to ascertain their family medical history. If they needed to know it for any reason on the Dads side. So it's a strange concept. "

That is entirely normal in this country if you're adopted.

I have to be tested for everything because I have no idea of any family medical history on either side.

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By *agan_PairCouple
over a year ago

portchester


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy."

If we're talking of a new law old ones could change to help and support it. Frankly that should be changed anyway so you don't need two doctors support.

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By *arethingMan
over a year ago

Shropshire

Who has said it was the woman's soul responsibility?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy."
i think you will find its pretty damn easy to get an abortion. That's how it used to be and you had to show evidence that it would be detrimental to your life to have a baby.

I don't know any one that's been refused an abortion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As per a similar sort of thread regarding children the other day... if your LUCKY enough to be able to produce a child, then take your responsibility and be the best parent you can!

"

I wouldn't consider getting pregnant a 'lucky' thing to me personally. It would almost certainly send me into a deep cycle of depression, if I was forced to have the child then I'd probably try and top myself, and if I didn't I would - to be honest - just neglect the child and eventually abandon it.

Just because you *can* have children it doesn't mean that you would be *lucky* i if you did, nor that you should.

Not everyone should aspire to bring children into this world. And some people definitely shouldn't have children - like myself.

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By *arethingMan
over a year ago

Shropshire

And what about women that put pin holes in condoms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy."

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what about women that put pin holes in condoms "

They're awful, awful people.

Use your own condoms if you think a woman might have done this. Or even better, don't sleep with women you think might tamper with condoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

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By *agan_PairCouple
over a year ago

portchester


"As per a similar sort of thread regarding children the other day... if your LUCKY enough to be able to produce a child, then take your responsibility and be the best parent you can!

I wouldn't consider getting pregnant a 'lucky' thing to me personally. It would almost certainly send me into a deep cycle of depression, if I was forced to have the child then I'd probably try and top myself, and if I didn't I would - to be honest - just neglect the child and eventually abandon it.

Just because you *can* have children it doesn't mean that you would be *lucky* i if you did, nor that you should.

Not everyone should aspire to bring children into this world. And some people definitely shouldn't have children - like myself."

I second this ! and the reason we have decided not to have one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates. "

I was told by my family doctor that it's extraordinarily rare for the pill to fail *if it's being taken correctly*. However it rises considerably if people have had an upset stomach, have taken it late, have been sick since taking it... you can't account for stupidity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

If we're talking of a new law old ones could change to help and support it. Frankly that should be changed anyway so you don't need two doctors support.

"

The laws been around for a while, and still holds today, idk when it was introduced. Idk about swedish law surrounding this either.

You can't even be referred for an abortion without 2 Drs. signatures. No idea why not but yeah i suppose they could change the law on that too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates. "

I'm not. Some pills are only 90% effective, so 1 in 10 on those pills are gonna get pregnant.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates. "
well I got pregnant after being told I was doubly infertile, one because my ovaries didn't work and two because I had polysistic overies and not only did imhave polysistic overies I actually had cysts at the time that's now i found out imwss pregnant they thought i had an appendicitis and it was actually me being pregnant and laying on the cyst. For me it was a miracle but others may not have thought so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I'm not. Some pills are only 90% effective, so 1 in 10 on those pills are gonna get pregnant."

The pill, in general, is 99.7% effective. Meaning that 0.3 people out of every hundred people on the pill will get pregnant per year.

And that 0.3% basically accounts for being being ill or not taking it properly.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates. "

I didn't apparently get pregnant while we were using condoms...I actually did. It was one of the most distressing and upsetting times in our lives, I was 46 at the time.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

If we're talking of a new law old ones could change to help and support it. Frankly that should be changed anyway so you don't need two doctors support.

The laws been around for a while, and still holds today, idk when it was introduced. Idk about swedish law surrounding this either.

You can't even be referred for an abortion without 2 Drs. signatures. No idea why not but yeah i suppose they could change the law on that too."
hang on what era are you living in this is what happened in the 70s it doesn't happen today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it"

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it."
why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They need to rush and get a male pill invented. "

i believe something like this is being crafted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

If we're talking of a new law old ones could change to help and support it. Frankly that should be changed anyway so you don't need two doctors support.

The laws been around for a while, and still holds today, idk when it was introduced. Idk about swedish law surrounding this either.

You can't even be referred for an abortion without 2 Drs. signatures. No idea why not but yeah i suppose they could change the law on that too.hang on what era are you living in this is what happened in the 70s it doesn't happen today."

you don't even need to see a GP now days to get an abortion you can go straight to the clinic and no clinic, and i mean no clinic will turn away a pregnant woman asking for help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They need to rush and get a male pill invented.

i believe something like this is being crafted.

"

so the man can dupe the woman by saying hes on the pill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I didn't apparently get pregnant while we were using condoms...I actually did. It was one of the most distressing and upsetting times in our lives, I was 46 at the time.

"

No I didn't mean that people were lying, sorry if I gave that impression. I meant are the official rates inaccurate because it's supposed to be 99% effective but I hear time and time again that it seems to have happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They need to rush and get a male pill invented.

i believe something like this is being crafted.

so the man can dupe the woman by saying hes on the pill "

the dupe is a little less affective due to abortion, unless the woman is entirely oblivious for 9 months

which has been known to happen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I'm not. Some pills are only 90% effective, so 1 in 10 on those pills are gonna get pregnant.

The pill, in general, is 99.7% effective. Meaning that 0.3 people out of every hundred people on the pill will get pregnant per year.

And that 0.3% basically accounts for being being ill or not taking it properly."

I had breakthrough bleeds while on the pill, got told this was 'normal'.

Found out i was pregnant a few months later and that the breakthrough bleed could mean my pill wasn't working.

So fuck knows, but i declined going on the pill again when offered after i had my son.

I had a look at statistic and yeah people not using contraceptives properly account for 8 in 100 getting pregnant on the pill, and an additional 1 is using it properly.

Whoppee i was one of the one...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I didn't apparently get pregnant while we were using condoms...I actually did. It was one of the most distressing and upsetting times in our lives, I was 46 at the time.

No I didn't mean that people were lying, sorry if I gave that impression. I meant are the official rates inaccurate because it's supposed to be 99% effective but I hear time and time again that it seems to have happened."

If just 1% of protected copulative acts lead to pregnancy, that is still going to be a lot of babies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I didn't apparently get pregnant while we were using condoms...I actually did. It was one of the most distressing and upsetting times in our lives, I was 46 at the time.

No I didn't mean that people were lying, sorry if I gave that impression. I meant are the official rates inaccurate because it's supposed to be 99% effective but I hear time and time again that it seems to have happened.

If just 1% of protected copulative acts lead to pregnancy, that is still going to be a lot of babies."

Out of the entire population, yeah. Out of the hundred or so regular forum posters? You'd expect one, maybe two.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I didn't apparently get pregnant while we were using condoms...I actually did. It was one of the most distressing and upsetting times in our lives, I was 46 at the time.

No I didn't mean that people were lying, sorry if I gave that impression. I meant are the official rates inaccurate because it's supposed to be 99% effective but I hear time and time again that it seems to have happened."
not everyone on the pill knows they are not using correctly.

When I was a teen and put on the pill (for period reasons) I had no idea that if you had had sickness it would affect it or could affect it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

"

You're allowed to have your own personal opinions that contradict parts of your job. That actually does make sense, most people wouldn't be able to go through life if they didn't do this.

Doctors go into medicine to save lives and not take them, some are open to improving individual circumstances by helping them in ways that contradict saving lives, makes total sense.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I didn't apparently get pregnant while we were using condoms...I actually did. It was one of the most distressing and upsetting times in our lives, I was 46 at the time.

No I didn't mean that people were lying, sorry if I gave that impression. I meant are the official rates inaccurate because it's supposed to be 99% effective but I hear time and time again that it seems to have happened."

Ok, I understand I did misinterpret...sorry.

I wouldn't like to comment on the official rates because I only really have my experience to go on but if it can happen to a 46 year old woman whose fertility must have been in decline it makes you wonder.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I'm always astounded by the number of people on here who've apparently got pregnant while on the pill or other contraception as compared to the official effectiveness rates.

I didn't apparently get pregnant while we were using condoms...I actually did. It was one of the most distressing and upsetting times in our lives, I was 46 at the time.

No I didn't mean that people were lying, sorry if I gave that impression. I meant are the official rates inaccurate because it's supposed to be 99% effective but I hear time and time again that it seems to have happened.

If just 1% of protected copulative acts lead to pregnancy, that is still going to be a lot of babies.

Out of the entire population, yeah. Out of the hundred or so regular forum posters? You'd expect one, maybe two."
it there are lots of things on the forums mentioned that are supposedly rare yet seem to have above average forum users having.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

You're allowed to have your own personal opinions that contradict parts of your job. That actually does make sense, most people wouldn't be able to go through life if they didn't do this.

Doctors go into medicine to save lives and not take them, some are open to improving individual circumstances by helping them in ways that contradict saving lives, makes total sense."
how many people have you EVER heard of being refused an abortion

?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

You're allowed to have your own personal opinions that contradict parts of your job. That actually does make sense, most people wouldn't be able to go through life if they didn't do this.

Doctors go into medicine to save lives and not take them, some are open to improving individual circumstances by helping them in ways that contradict saving lives, makes total sense.

how many people have you EVER heard of being refused an abortion

?"

What's that got to do with anything i've said? Never mentioned anyone not being able to get one, just said you can't just go and get one if you want one.

And it still makes sense that some doctors would become doctors and be against abortion.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Duped

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

You're allowed to have your own personal opinions that contradict parts of your job. That actually does make sense, most people wouldn't be able to go through life if they didn't do this.

Doctors go into medicine to save lives and not take them, some are open to improving individual circumstances by helping them in ways that contradict saving lives, makes total sense.

how many people have you EVER heard of being refused an abortion

?

What's that got to do with anything i've said? Never mentioned anyone not being able to get one, just said you can't just go and get one if you want one.

And it still makes sense that some doctors would become doctors and be against abortion."
but your making it sound as though it's hard to get an abortion and it isn't.

As naughty said you don't even have to go through a doctor.

There was a time you had to spend three days in hospital after an abortion now you can go at 9am and be home by lunch time

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

You're allowed to have your own personal opinions that contradict parts of your job. That actually does make sense, most people wouldn't be able to go through life if they didn't do this.

Doctors go into medicine to save lives and not take them, some are open to improving individual circumstances by helping them in ways that contradict saving lives, makes total sense.

how many people have you EVER heard of being refused an abortion

?

What's that got to do with anything i've said? Never mentioned anyone not being able to get one, just said you can't just go and get one if you want one.

And it still makes sense that some doctors would become doctors and be against abortion."

You can't go and get one on the NHS but you can arrange one on the phone with Marie Stoped and just turn up on the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunate side effect to sex can be unplanned pregnancy and no contraception is 100%. Impossible to place blame as we should all take responsibility for our own reproduction. A lot of men unofficially opt out emotionally and financially, if they can get away with it. Opting out will make that easier and then who is financially responsible?

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By *abydollxxWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham - Selly oak

Yeah. I agree, they should be able to.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I wonder how a situation in which people were in a long term relationship already having children the woman claimed contraception failure for a new pregnancy and the man claimed he was duped would be resolved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Going back to the original post no men shouldn't be able to op out .wether their duped or by accident or if relationship breaks down. Both people involved need to remember theres a innocent child involved who had no say in the matter .

I don't like women that dupe men so can have a baby and I don't like men that walk away .

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"As per a similar sort of thread regarding children the other day... if your LUCKY enough to be able to produce a child, then take your responsibility and be the best parent you can!

Think of the UNLUCKY ones out there that would give anything to be able to become a parent, but are unable to.

This makes me soo bloody angry, people don't know the Hurt caused by not being able to reproduce, and they just leave a child with no feelings. so a man and a woman can be in a relationship and the man wants the baby but the woman doesn't and she can avort with no second thought to the father but the father shouldn't be able to walk away?

And I have every sympathy for people who can't have children I was told I was infertile so I know what emotions are there (although i went on to havd a child) but because someone can't have a child you can't say everyone else should feel fortunate and lucky if for whatever reason an unwanted pregnancy occurs

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I think for some, the baby/child is often reduced to being a disposable item, very sad.

by both parents.

Whatever is in the best interest of the child,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

You're allowed to have your own personal opinions that contradict parts of your job. That actually does make sense, most people wouldn't be able to go through life if they didn't do this.

Doctors go into medicine to save lives and not take them, some are open to improving individual circumstances by helping them in ways that contradict saving lives, makes total sense.

how many people have you EVER heard of being refused an abortion

?

What's that got to do with anything i've said? Never mentioned anyone not being able to get one, just said you can't just go and get one if you want one.

And it still makes sense that some doctors would become doctors and be against abortion."

You can though, you can even have an abortion now days if your under 16 without your parents knowledge so long as your under 12 weeks pregnant and eligible for Misoprostol

Any women in this country is entitled to an abortion, you don't have to justify it and doctors can not refuse you because of their beliefs

Doctors can not refuse anybody treatment based solely on their own personal beliefs, of course some doctors will be against abortion, nobodies said other wise, but they can't refuse you one because of that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's an interesting idea. In theory if the man made his intentions clear to opt out the woman then has the option of continuing on her own or aborting herself. So can make an solid decision based on the facts at hand and not the hope of maintenance from the trapped man.

I support this law !

You can't just get an abortion though. You need 2 doctors to support your decision and agree it's best to terminate the pregnancy.

doctors dont have the rights to refuse you an abortion, no doctor is allowed refuse you an anortion because they dont support your reason for wanting it

They can opt out if they're personally against abortion. I was just saying you can't just go for an abortion coz it sounds like it's easy to have one, there's procedures surrounding it.why on earth would anyone be a doctor if he was going to put his personal _iews above a patients?

Sorry affeciant but your making it sound as though an abortion is difficult tomget and its not its easy, to damned easy

You're allowed to have your own personal opinions that contradict parts of your job. That actually does make sense, most people wouldn't be able to go through life if they didn't do this.

Doctors go into medicine to save lives and not take them, some are open to improving individual circumstances by helping them in ways that contradict saving lives, makes total sense.

how many people have you EVER heard of being refused an abortion

?

What's that got to do with anything i've said? Never mentioned anyone not being able to get one, just said you can't just go and get one if you want one.

And it still makes sense that some doctors would become doctors and be against abortion.

You can't go and get one on the NHS but you can arrange one on the phone with Marie Stoped and just turn up on the day."

I only checked on the NHS site tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would be better able to debate this stuff if people could post evidence to back up stuff they're without being classed as spammers.

I'm finding stuff that says other wise on the NHS site and other places.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Would be better able to debate this stuff if people could post evidence to back up stuff they're without being classed as spammers.

I'm finding stuff that says other wise on the NHS site and other places."
I don't know what it's saying on any websites but I know 100% fact that you can go to the doctors, they will phone the clinic and book you an appointment.

You go to the clinic at 9am and you can go home at lunch time if you have someone who can drive you.

Everything your saying is completly true but true of how it was about 25 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would be better able to debate this stuff if people could post evidence to back up stuff they're without being classed as spammers.

I'm finding stuff that says other wise on the NHS site and other places.

I don't know what it's saying on any websites but I know 100% fact that you can go to the doctors, they will phone the clinic and book you an appointment.

You go to the clinic at 9am and you can go home at lunch time if you have someone who can drive you.

Everything your saying is completly true but true of how it was about 25 years ago.

"

Like i said it's on the NHS website as of right now, if i could post a link and then people could scrutinise that for me i'd be happy to post it but can't else i'll get banned off the forums again. And i can't find info that supports what other people are saying so gonna have to give up on this and remain ignorant i guess.

Dunno why posting random links make you a spammer.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Would be better able to debate this stuff if people could post evidence to back up stuff they're without being classed as spammers.

I'm finding stuff that says other wise on the NHS site and other places.

I don't know what it's saying on any websites but I know 100% fact that you can go to the doctors, they will phone the clinic and book you an appointment.

You go to the clinic at 9am and you can go home at lunch time if you have someone who can drive you.

Everything your saying is completly true but true of how it was about 25 years ago.

Like i said it's on the NHS website as of right now, if i could post a link and then people could scrutinise that for me i'd be happy to post it but can't else i'll get banned off the forums again. And i can't find info that supports what other people are saying so gonna have to give up on this and remain ignorant i guess.

Dunno why posting random links make you a spammer."
without posting the link say the keys words that I can type in to bring it up

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Right I've just spent 30 seconds looking and one of the first things that comes up is a clinic where all you have to do is turn up with your NHS number and they won't even inform your doctor without your permission

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Next thing, if you are under 16 if two doctors sign they won't even inform your parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Going back to the original post no men shouldn't be able to op out .wether their duped or by accident or if relationship breaks down. Both people involved need to remember theres a innocent child involved who had no say in the matter .

I don't like women that dupe men so can have a baby and I don't like men that walk away .

"
you are making the assumption that all babies come from a a relationship of some sort and you're wrong I know for a fact that a lot babies come from a night out on the pull

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Right I've found the NHS website. So can discuss it. So what are we differing on in what we say?

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over a year ago


"Right I've just spent 30 seconds looking and one of the first things that comes up is a clinic where all you have to do is turn up with your NHS number and they won't even inform your doctor without your permission

"

lol, i'm googling 'abortion without doctor uk' but getting totally nothing like that.

did find a link where without clicking it says this: The Abortion Act 1967 covers England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern ... You can contact a private abortion clinic without being referred by a doctor.

but click the link and that isn't there and instead it says this:

When an abortion can be carried out

Under UK law, an abortion can usually only be carried out during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy as long as certain criteria are met (see below).

The Abortion Act 1967 covers England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland, and states:

abortions must be carried out in a hospital or a specialist licensed clinic

two doctors must agree that an abortion would cause less damage to a woman's physical or mental health than continuing with the pregnancy.

and that is on the nhs.uk site, the bit from google is missing completely.

even marie stopes says you need to Drs to sign but now i'm getting somewhere because on that site it says this:

Before an abortion can proceed, two doctors must ensure that the requirements of the Abortion Act are fulfilled, and they must both sign the relevant certificate. One of the doctors could be your GP and the other doctor will work at the hospital or clinic where the abortion will take place.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

The two doctors thing.

I personally have know knowledge of what happens at the appointment if you must turn up at a clinic ormwnose present.

The only other two doctors thing I can assume is your doctor signing when they refer you to the clinic and the person you have your chat to at the clinic before its done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Right I've found the NHS website. So can discuss it. So what are we differing on in what we say?"

Seems marie stopes is more up on this stuff than the NHS is.

Sorry it took so long but i did try googling a lot of different stuff.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Right I've just spent 30 seconds looking and one of the first things that comes up is a clinic where all you have to do is turn up with your NHS number and they won't even inform your doctor without your permission

lol, i'm googling 'abortion without doctor uk' but getting totally nothing like that.

did find a link where without clicking it says this: The Abortion Act 1967 covers England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern ... You can contact a private abortion clinic without being referred by a doctor.

but click the link and that isn't there and instead it says this:

When an abortion can be carried out

Under UK law, an abortion can usually only be carried out during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy as long as certain criteria are met (see below).

The Abortion Act 1967 covers England, Scotland and Wales but not Northern Ireland, and states:

abortions must be carried out in a hospital or a specialist licensed clinic

two doctors must agree that an abortion would cause less damage to a woman's physical or mental health than continuing with the pregnancy.

and that is on the nhs.uk site, the bit from google is missing completely.

even marie stopes says you need to Drs to sign but now i'm getting somewhere because on that site it says this:

Before an abortion can proceed, two doctors must ensure that the requirements of the Abortion Act are fulfilled, and they must both sign the relevant certificate. One of the doctors could be your GP and the other doctor will work at the hospital or clinic where the abortion will take place.

"
bingo, I've just typed that as the assumption I've made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The two doctors thing.

I personally have know knowledge of what happens at the appointment if you must turn up at a clinic ormwnose present.

The only other two doctors thing I can assume is your doctor signing when they refer you to the clinic and the person you have your chat to at the clinic before its done

"

The doctor is just signing to say the abortion act (laws i guess) has been adhered to and is not giving permission for you to have an abortion, just that you have one that is legal.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

If you want to pm me I will tell you what I typed in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you want to pm me I will tell you what I typed in

"

it's ok, thanks.

i'm actually gonna go with the NHS site is wrong. i do believe they have some failings and don't know everything a specialist would know, i do trust that marie stopes is a specialist on this sort of thing.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

I think it's a disgusting idea.

If you don't want kids, wear a condom and don't make contraception the sole responsibility of your partner.

We're all big enough and ugly enough to know what happens when you put your dick inside a pussy. - Kids are always a potential consequence of sex. If you don't want kids, don't have sex. Simple!

If you helped create a life you have an emotional and at least a financial obligation to that child.

We fell pregnant twice on contraception.

Luckily for me, Bradley is a REAL man and stuck around.

- Amy. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was duped by my ex, she told me she was infertile, and that she had tried to get pregnant, with her ex, and it hadn't happened, and that she went to the doctor, and had lots of tests, and it was conclusive that she would never have kids.

Then she git pregnant, it was a miracle, and it was only after my son was born, that I found out she had had two terminations from previous relationships, and there was no medical reason any doctor would day she's infertile.

I tried my damndest to make it work but there was no chance, you can't live with a compulsive liar. So here I am today, a single dad to a funny little guy who brightens up even the greyest of days, it was never on the cards that I would ever have walked away, I'm not saying that abortion is wrong, but its not right for me, so I pulled myself.together and prepared to.be a father, and I'm glad I did.

I think this law would be a deterrent to those women who think they can keep a man by getting pregnant, I think if my ex would have thought that there was a chance of me walking away, she wouldn't have gone to such lengths of deception, but I could never see myself walking away from my child, no.matter the circumstances, but that's me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Playing devils advocate - if the guy wants the baby and the lady doesn't, but she says - ok I'll keep the baby but don't want any financial liability after its born. You can raise the baby. Does she get to emancipate the baby financially ?

Also I know, a few people that have thought they are Infertile so not on contraception. They then had babies naturally. Would they be seen as duping?

Sarah

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