FabSwingers.com forum: John Lewis Asked Mother Of Tantrum Child To Leave

By *radleyandRaven OP Couple
over a year ago

Herts

Right or wrong?

Apparently the mother of a crying child was asked to leave after complaints from other customers.

I must admit, as a parent of a special needs child who gets easily frustrated and upset (the child in this story didn't have special needs but I imagine the Mother felt the same), I have developed a bit of a complex about taking him out and I think something like this would've completely torn my confidence to shreds.

I get almost everything delivered but I do miss the simple act of being to browse in shops without fear of him kicking off or being judged by others.

Being a parent can be isolating enough without being made to feel alienated by something that's bound to happen every now and then.

Children have tantrums. They cry.

But when you see this out and about, are you sympathetic or do you wish more stores acted this way?

- Amy. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xx

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

It would drive me nuts and likely leave the department

It must be tough and I am empathetic but anyone letting them scream to teach them a lesson is understandable, but it would do my tits in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right.

I expect the parent to remove their child without intervention. Being a parent is a choice, don't force awful screaming upon others when it can be easily avoided by just leaving the store and going home.

Also, there may be other people with disorders like Autism that make them overly sensitive to loud noises, the parents of the screaming child need to be sensitive to that possibility. If you're in the wrong, you should be the one to make the change - it's not fair to expect others to make allowances for you.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I would leave the department

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it was a harsh reaction but I wasn't there to witness it

It could well have been a proper pain in the arse and taking the child away from the situation he or she was having the tantrum in may have stopped it

Then they could have gone back in and carried on happily shopping

It was a brave person that told them to leave,I don't think I would have done that if I worked in a shop

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

I have utmost sympathy. My son had the ability to lie down and scream when he was young.....The way people stared like you were not controlling them was awful. I couldn't be arsed to explain he had problems due to a head injury. People should be aware they don't know the circumstances and walk away if needed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, it was the second store that day she was asked to leave. If the kid is that distressed, surely shopping in JL or Paperchase should be a lesser priority. Those are not stores where you buy essentials.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also, it was the second store that day she was asked to leave. If the kid is that distressed, surely shopping in JL or Paperchase should be a lesser priority. Those are not stores where you buy essentials. "

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By *ot40sCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"Right or wrong?

Apparently the mother of a crying child was asked to leave after complaints from other customers.

I get almost everything delivered but I do miss the simple act of being to browse in shops without fear of him kicking off or being judged by others.

Being a parent can be isolating enough without being made to feel alienated by something that's bound to happen every now and then.

Children have tantrums. They cry.

But when you see this out and about, are you sympathetic or do you wish more stores acted this way?

- Amy. x"

Hi Amy I actually feel really sad that you feel can't go out as much as you would like to the shops with your child therefore making you feel isolated... I've had 3 children of my own so know how hard it can be but what bothers me more isn't hearing screaming kids but screaming parents who publicly smack and reprimand their children in shops etc....

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

They have apologised and sent flowers and are investigating the situation but my question is why run to the papers? I would of spoken to John Lewis first and tried to resolve it out of the public eye...

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"They have apologised and sent flowers and are investigating the situation but my question is why run to the papers? I would of spoken to John Lewis first and tried to resolve it out of the public eye..."

financial gain

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

financial gain"

Sad.....well she can't be that skint she shops in John Lewis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That wouldn't have half as much impact as a massive amount of publicity and huffiness about it

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

That wouldn't have half as much impact as a massive amount of publicity and huffiness about it

have you seen the outrage in here over fuck all, multiply that in a store and a £ to be made.....

razzmatazz drama for the world to see

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

What was the child doing to have complaints made. When my son had a tantrum depending where we where or what we where doing I either completly ignored him or removed him from where and what we where doing.

All kids have tantrums its up to the parents now they deal with them

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

That wouldn't have half as much impact as a massive amount of publicity and huffiness about it

have you seen the outrage in here over fuck all, multiply that in a store and a £ to be made.....

razzmatazz drama for the world to see"

Maybe I should go to the papers about time wasters?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Toddlers cry ... End of

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By *ickawitchCouple
over a year ago

Away with the fairies (Liverpool to you)

I don't like loud noises and have to leave a shop if it's too noisy but that's my problem - I don't differentiate between screaming children and random alarms / overly loud tannoy / general banging and clanging so I agree it was harsh

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

That wouldn't have half as much impact as a massive amount of publicity and huffiness about it

have you seen the outrage in here over fuck all, multiply that in a store and a £ to be made.....

razzmatazz drama for the world to see

Maybe I should go to the papers about time wasters?

yes, the readers will all be 'genuine' readers and have 'genuine' empathy for your 'genuine' angst

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xx"
sorry vara but just exactly would that prove. That the child could kick of wherever and get rewarded for it. Where not talking a special needs child just a normal child doing what kids do

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By *onnybag69Man
over a year ago

Manchester

i agree with the members of the public if children are miss behaving they should be asked to leave i don't want to listen to screaming children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xxsorry vara but just exactly would that prove. That the child could kick of wherever and get rewarded for it. Where not talking a special needs child just a normal child doing what kids do"

Just one example. Ive not read the article.

If i see a kid throwing a tant and a mother or fatger struggling i usually go and pay them some attention and then when i have it i ask them to be good for mum.

A stranger can usually grab a childs attention when no ome else can. At the very least take her to one side and try to help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wolf have told john Lewis to go fuck himself, and tell him to bring me the complaining customers, so I could tell them to fuck right off as well, you can't remove yourself from society, just because some inadequate cunt can't stand a child screaming, yeah that's right, I'm being judgmental, judge me ill judge you, my son went through the terrible 2s hard, it was a nightmare, slightest thing could set him off, and I used to get embarased to the point where I lost the ability to calm him down, I would get even.more flustered, when people started starring, until one day I just thought fuck it, and went about my day.

I don't know where people get off telling other people what and where they can go with their children, I heard a woman moaning that "this is no.place to be bringing children" I WAS IN FUCKING TOYS R US!!!!!

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It depends on what level of disturbance the child was making, I would assume it was quite bad for the parents and child to be asked to leave, every child goes through a tantrum phase (I'm quite lucky shops like JL is a no go for my little boy, he can't do really bright lights and really shiny floors!!) but to be asked to leave two shops, I would have thought it was time to leave the shopping centre and return home as something was clearly wrong.

And why take it to the papers? Everyone is out for free money these days or money off, if JL are dealing with it then they are doing all they can, it's like a woman I saw on Facebook complain about her Christmas meal, she complained their and then and got a free meal but she still went on shitbook and shamed the pub she went too, that's the problem with today!! do it behind closed doors and stop trying to gain out of a bad situation!!

Went a bit off topic there!!

G x

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

As is so often the case when people compain about having been asked to leave, we do not know the full story.

Unless we do, we cannot really say whether John Lewis did or did not act appropriately.

From my personal experience John Lewis is a decent store with well trained staff as a rule. From my personal experience also, children do make a fuss at the most awkward times. From my personal experience, most situations can be resolved if both parties want a resolution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wolf have told john Lewis to go fuck himself, and tell him to bring me the complaining customers, so I could tell them to fuck right off as well, you can't remove yourself from society, just because some inadequate cunt can't stand a child screaming, yeah that's right, I'm being judgmental, judge me ill judge you, my son went through the terrible 2s hard, it was a nightmare, slightest thing could set him off, and I used to get embarased to the point where I lost the ability to calm him down, I would get even.more flustered, when people started starring, until one day I just thought fuck it, and went about my day.

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards"

I don't understand why you'd want to put a special needs child through something stressful and prolong the suffering just so you can buy some bits and pieces from a department store like John Lewis.

Surely ensuring a special needs child is comfortable comes first over luxury spending.

But hey, I'm just an inadequate cunt who would put a stressed child out of their misery.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Just one example. Ive not read the article.

If i see a kid throwing a tant and a mother or fatger struggling i usually go and pay them some attention and then when i have it i ask them to be good for mum.

A stranger can usually grab a childs attention when no ome else can. At the very least take her to one side and try to help.

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I've helped a woman on a train before but I know what it's like when your child is having a tantrum you have to usually just wait for it to pass and I used to just take him away, make sure he was safe and let him kick about screaming until hismheartd content. Then pick him up and carry on as normal. He didn't have many but he had a couple of classics

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

When we understand that although children are humans, their brains work in a totally different way to an adults, we will see things in a totally different light. They are not giving you a hard time, they are having a hard time.

Children behaving this way are not being naughty. Something and they can't express it any other way. Popular culture has conditioned us to think that some sort of punishment is needed when what they actually need is calm attention to help them come out of it.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its terrible behaviour from a major retailer. Yes a crying child is annoying but do people honestly think they never cried or threw a tantrum when they were a child?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I was empathetic and suggested I would leave the department, now that I see the response from a parent showing fuck all responsibility, I wouldn't.

and as you were telling me to fuck off, I would suggest, if you role modelled the appropriate behaviour in front of your child, they may behave better

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was empathetic and suggested I would leave the department, now that I see the response from a parent showing fuck all responsibility, I wouldn't.

and as you were telling me to fuck off, I would suggest, if you role modelled the appropriate behaviour in front of your child, they may behave better"

This kind of selfish behaviour from demonstrably bad parents would cause me to complain to management.

And I'd feel sorry for their poor children for having parents of that standard.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I was empathetic and suggested I would leave the department, now that I see the response from a parent showing fuck all responsibility, I wouldn't.

and as you were telling me to fuck off, I would suggest, if you role modelled the appropriate behaviour in front of your child, they may behave better"
this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Just one example. Ive not read the article.

If i see a kid throwing a tant and a mother or fatger struggling i usually go and pay them some attention and then when i have it i ask them to be good for mum.

A stranger can usually grab a childs attention when no ome else can. At the very least take her to one side and try to help.

I've helped a woman on a train before but I know what it's like when your child is having a tantrum you have to usually just wait for it to pass and I used to just take him away, make sure he was safe and let him kick about screaming until hismheartd content. Then pick him up and carry on as normal. He didn't have many but he had a couple of classics"

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By *radleyandRaven OP Couple
over a year ago

Herts

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards

I don't understand why you'd want to put a special needs child through something stressful and prolong the suffering just so you can buy some bits and pieces from a department store like John Lewis.

Surely ensuring a special needs child is comfortable comes first over luxury spending.

But hey, I'm just an inadequate cunt who would put a stressed child out of their misery.

The child in question didn't have special needs.

MINE does and that was just my two pence worth from my point of _iew.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids tantrum, that's how it is because they have no other way of expressing themselves. Just because other people don't like that it's kind of tough shit for them, they don't tantrum for long usually and it happens less over time if you don't make a fuss of it and/or can distract them from whatever they are tantruming about.

The store itself has apologised and said what happened was wrong.

I think society has become too opinionated on things that they haven't a clue on, and intolerant to some things that are completely natural.

One of my kids couldn't speak until he had an operation at the age of 7, he was hard work before then and tantrumed when we were out sometimes. I did not become a hermit because of this, and don't see why i should have either. And if anyone had asked me to leave a store because of this (which never happened) i would have made more fuss than a tantrum right there and then.

And yeah i was grateful for the kindness of strangers sometimes, usually older people who had had kids of their own. They often gave me a confidence boost thanks to their tolerance and understanding of how kids are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was empathetic and suggested I would leave the department, now that I see the response from a parent showing fuck all responsibility, I wouldn't.

and as you were telling me to fuck off, I would suggest, if you role modelled the appropriate behaviour in front of your child, they may behave better"

Perfect

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards"
oh if where judging people I can't see why you would be abusive to others because you don't have the skills to deal with a child's tantrum in the best and simplest way. First time they have one you don't know what to do and it's embarrassing and you get upset. But can't understand not being able to deal with subsequent ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards

I don't understand why you'd want to put a special needs child through something stressful and prolong the suffering just so you can buy some bits and pieces from a department store like John Lewis.

Surely ensuring a special needs child is comfortable comes first over luxury spending.

But hey, I'm just an inadequate cunt who would put a stressed child out of their misery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was empathetic and suggested I would leave the department, now that I see the response from a parent showing fuck all responsibility, I wouldn't.

and as you were telling me to fuck off, I would suggest, if you role modelled the appropriate behaviour in front of your child, they may behave better"

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Just one example. Ive not read the article.

If i see a kid throwing a tant and a mother or fatger struggling i usually go and pay them some attention and then when i have it i ask them to be good for mum.

A stranger can usually grab a childs attention when no ome else can. At the very least take her to one side and try to help.

Yes and i agree there are definately times when the parent needs to take them away for a bit. Im lucky enough that my kids never did the tant thing and i have a partner who always comes shopping to as we hate it more than the kids. There are times though when people can help like you and i have but just complain loudly and add more stress to the parent x"
I have seen kids throwing some belters and the parent taking them out and just leaving them and gone up and said we've all been there. My response is based purely on this actual thread and the situation

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards"

Funny and well said.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

John Lewis did apologise. To be honest though, for people to complain I am wondering what was going on as surely most people would be thinking to themselves, been there , done that, hated the staring people

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"John Lewis did apologise. To be honest though, for people to complain I am wondering what was going on as surely most people would be thinking to themselves, been there , done that, hated the staring people"

PS when ours went through it I just left wherever I was as you can't really carry on shopping etc with a tantrum throwing child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have left shops when other people have screaming children in them.

I wouldn't say anything to the shop or the parent but I have also finished meals after my starter and left other public places too because of screaming children.

I understand kids have tantrums and all that but when I was a child my mum took me out of the shop till I calmed down and we could continue.. I assume that is because she didn't want me causing a scene and upsetting other shoppers.

Do I think it is wrong of the shop to ask her to leave? well yes and no, I think alienating your customers is wrong from a customer relations point of _iew but her child was obviously having a tantrum for long enough that the shop had time to receive complaints and ask her to leave.. At which point I would say she should have taken the child outside and calmed them down before the shop came and asked her.

But that is just the way I would have dealt with it if I were the mother not saying my way is right or wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Just one example. Ive not read the article.

If i see a kid throwing a tant and a mother or fatger struggling i usually go and pay them some attention and then when i have it i ask them to be good for mum.

A stranger can usually grab a childs attention when no ome else can. At the very least take her to one side and try to help.

Yes and i agree there are definately times when the parent needs to take them away for a bit. Im lucky enough that my kids never did the tant thing and i have a partner who always comes shopping to as we hate it more than the kids. There are times though when people can help like you and i have but just complain loudly and add more stress to the parent xI have seen kids throwing some belters and the parent taking them out and just leaving them and gone up and said we've all been there. My response is based purely on this actual thread and the situation"

I guess as i havent read it i was thinking of single parents. Cause man id be shit at that.

When i was 7 my sister threw what the adults described as a bad paddy. I told them something was wrong and they eventually listened. She was actually having her first of many seizures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't have children and I appreciate at times they can be a little unpredictable and may cause a fuss. It's normal and I accept that.

What I don't like is when a parent seems totally oblivious to the child screaming at the top of its lungs and just continues to do whatever it is they're doing.

Clearly the child is upset and it should be addressed. If the child is just being plain naughty then I'd expect the parent to be considerate of others and take the child to one side and calm it down.

Having nieces who were a little devilish when they were younger I've done this myself and I've find there's always a naughty step.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A child screaming or crying is the most annoying sound in the world so a bit of discipline wouldn't go amiss on many occasions. But on the flipside, let's not forget that not all disabilities/disorders can be seen with the eye.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When we understand that although children are humans, their brains work in a totally different way to an adults, we will see things in a totally different light. They are not giving you a hard time, they are having a hard time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Kids tantrum, that's how it is because they have no other way of expressing themselves. Just because other people don't like that it's kind of tough shit for them, they don't tantrum for long usually and it happens less over time if you don't make a fuss of it and/or can distract them from whatever they are tantruming about.

The store itself has apologised and said what happened was wrong.

I think society has become too opinionated on things that they haven't a clue on, and intolerant to some things that are completely natural.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Last time I remember kicking off as a kid my dad warned me he would throw me away if I carried on.

I carried on...he put me in the bin and left (just round the corner I guess)

Scared fuck outta me and I don't think I kicked off again.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

What I don't like is when a parent seems totally oblivious to the child screaming at the top of its lungs and just continues to do whatever it is they're doing.

Clearly the child is upset and it should be addressed.. "

You see this is sort of what I was thinking, if people had time to complain the child must have been screaming for a while. Obviously not knowing what went on here but I have seen parents sat playing on phones while their children cried and they didn't look away from the screen.

I think some parents think the child should come second to what they are doing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last time I remember kicking off as a kid my dad warned me he would throw me away if I carried on.

I carried on...he put me in the bin and left (just round the corner I guess)

Scared fuck outta me and I don't think I kicked off again.

Can you remember why you were kicking off?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Right.

I agree

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards"

Wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last time I remember kicking off as a kid my dad warned me he would throw me away if I carried on.

I carried on...he put me in the bin and left (just round the corner I guess)

Scared fuck outta me and I don't think I kicked off again.

Can you remember why you were kicking off? "

Not really...We were at Martin Mere...Some wildfowl place. I remember it fairly well..even the type of bin but not the reason I was being a dick.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards"

...... aaannnndddd breathe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What would people think if it was their business,and your potential customers started to leave.Doesn't matter if it's John Lewis or a corner shop...would you be happy to see this as a business owner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been reading both sides & in this case wld have to agree with John Lewis. They have the right to remove pple in thier premises if its affecting business or distressing their customers.

& parents need to control their kids not always leave it to some1 else e.g. teachers

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

The 'child' was actually a baby of 16 months. She had only just learned to walk.

I don't think discipline should come into it.

She was just a baby, so her mother COULD have picked up the unhappy child and done something to make her happier.

Seems she just wanted to shop.

Oh these first world problems.

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over a year ago

"Last time I remember kicking off as a kid my dad warned me he would throw me away if I carried on.

I carried on...he put me in the bin and left (just round the corner I guess)

Scared fuck outta me and I don't think I kicked off again.

My Dad once stopped the car in a layby on the A64 between York & Scarborough as a result of me having a tantrum.

I was physically removed and left at the side of the road.

He returned about 10-15 minutes later.

I was still frozen to the spot.

The fear definately stopped the tantrum.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

This is the same John Lewis that chose to remain closed on boxing day and pay the shopping centres for the privilege while losing a days takings so their staff could have the day off with their families.

They've hardly got a reputation for being a horrible company

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By *abphilMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"Right or wrong?

Apparently the mother of a crying child was asked to leave after complaints from other customers.

I get almost everything delivered but I do miss the simple act of being to browse in shops without fear of him kicking off or being judged by others.

Being a parent can be isolating enough without being made to feel alienated by something that's bound to happen every now and then.

Children have tantrums. They cry.

But when you see this out and about, are you sympathetic or do you wish more stores acted this way?

- Amy. x"

Just a question Amy. What would have been the right course of action if the child had been a guest at a wedding?

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over a year ago

And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

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over a year ago

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xx"

And some would say rewarding bad behaviour is a slippery slope. No win situation.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

yeah....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right or wrong?

Apparently the mother of a crying child was asked to leave after complaints from other customers.

I get almost everything delivered but I do miss the simple act of being to browse in shops without fear of him kicking off or being judged by others.

Being a parent can be isolating enough without being made to feel alienated by something that's bound to happen every now and then.

Children have tantrums. They cry.

But when you see this out and about, are you sympathetic or do you wish more stores acted this way?

- Amy. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't read the story & wasn't there.

My 2p's worth.

The child was obviously distressed enough to make other shoppers 'complain' in what is generally a 'family friendly' shop, maybe they thought the child needed help / intervention.

I have removed myself mid shop many a time when mine was younger, it's frustrating but not as frustrating as a toddler chucking a wobbler whilst trying to shop.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I think John Lewis were correct in asking the person to remove their disruptive child from their premises. I also think they were wrong to apologies. When in public it is not for others to put up with our (or our childrens) tantrums, it is we who have to conform.

That this parent rather than being so ashamed of the conduct of their child felt that they had the right make an issue out of not being allowed foist their childs unruly behaviour on strangers by being asked to leave a shop says a lot in itself.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

Very ironic your post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And you know what I would have been mortified at being asked to leave a shop, last thing I would have been doing is plastering it over social media & the papers.

Loses all credibility when people do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My kids sometimes have tantrums shopping with me..and yes, it can be a pain, but kids are still developing boundaries etc- you can't force adult expectations on them.

I'd have told the staff to bite me, personally.

I've had an old woman tell me I'm a TERRIBLE father because boychild was having a mild moment in Tesco, and I said, in jest, "Boychild, I love you, but if you do not stop this behaviour, I shall tie you to the roofrack."

I just smiled, turned round and said "I'll thank you to keep your opinions to yourself. It's a big roofrack, I have lots of rope."

She was speechless and stomped off.

My kids know full well I would never do so..but it's a way to raise a smile and break the tantrum..much the same as "If you don't pack that in right this minute, I shall knot your arms behind your back".

Or indeed stopping a mischief moment by literally knotting the arms of the jumpers to form a straightjacket. Gets the point over, quite cheerfully.

We used to get the same when the ex breastfed the kids in public...women coming past, tutting.."disgraceful"..not like anything was on _iew..

The usual response was "look down. Hey! You have tits too, who knew?". Not from me, I should add..;-)

I've even had it on a bus, where DD was so exhausted after a long day she was bawling..can't be helped, but there were 4 girls at the back shouting "shut the fucking child up!"..so I calmly took said child, went up to them and said "or maybe YOU could try it, eh? What's up? No balls? Why don't YOU STFU instead, before herself really loses it..?"

Kids are kids...all things will pass. If people have issues with it, it's their issue to deal with. Thats my opinion.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I have a low tolerance for screaming.

If I wanted to deal with children having tantrums, I'd have had kids.

I don't expect to have to tolerate tantrums from other people's children when I'm in a shop such as John Lewis. If I choose to be in a location in which young children might normally be expected, then it's my problem. In John Lewis I'd expect the parent(s) to take the child outside until they had calmed down.

Too many people seem to think they have a right to have kids and then carry on their lives as if they hadn't had them, inflicting the little darlings on everyone else, all of whom had no say in the decision.

If your child can't behave when shopping, shop online and only take them to places where children screaming is to be expected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

Well, I'd be the exact person you'd call an inadequate cunt as I think you prioritising luxury shopping over ensuring your child is comfortable is wrong. I also don't want to be exposed to high decibel screaming just because you think it cannot be changed.

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not being there none of us knows what the situation was. Carry on though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not being there none of us knows what the situation was. Carry on though. "

Well, the mother and child wasn't trapped or being held against her will inside the store, there's absolutely no decent reason why she couldn't just leave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was there a great big queue of people waiting in turn to offer her advice...

Excuse me sister, let me deal with this..... Slap, shut the fuck up you hysterical bitch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not being there none of us knows what the situation was. Carry on though. "

Like most posts then....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some people are born fuckwhits, and remain fuckwhits until their dying day, nothing in their lives but the need to slag off other people sad bastards"

Are you slagging anybody off there?

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over a year ago

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xx

And some would say rewarding bad behaviour is a slippery slope. No win situation."

Like someone else said why is it presumed that crying is a child being bad??

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By *abphilMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"Right or wrong?

Apparently the mother of a crying child was asked to leave after complaints from other customers.

I get almost everything delivered but I do miss the simple act of being to browse in shops without fear of him kicking off or being judged by others.

Being a parent can be isolating enough without being made to feel alienated by something that's bound to happen every now and then.

Children have tantrums. They cry.

But when you see this out and about, are you sympathetic or do you wish more stores acted this way?

- Amy. x

Just a question Amy. What would have been the right course of action if the child had been a guest at a wedding?"

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"This is the same John Lewis that chose to remain closed on boxing day and pay the shopping centres for the privilege while losing a days takings so their staff could have the day off with their families.

They've hardly got a reputation for being a horrible company

they pay me a substantial sum to display my artwork ..... i quite like them for that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to ban old people from shops when I'm in them.

They walk too bloody slowly, take ages at the tills and proceed to have a long drawn out conversation with the person serving them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Last time I remember kicking off as a kid my dad warned me he would throw me away if I carried on.

I carried on...he put me in the bin and left (just round the corner I guess)

Scared fuck outta me and I don't think I kicked off again.

My Dad once stopped the car in a layby on the A64 between York & Scarborough as a result of me having a tantrum.

I was physically removed and left at the side of the road.

He returned about 10-15 minutes later.

I was still frozen to the spot.

The fear definately stopped the tantrum.

Yeah...suddenly you have something far bigger to worry about than whatever you were kicking off over

I don't remember why I was kicking off but I'll always remember the outcome...dad one. Me nill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to ban old people from shops when I'm in them.

They walk too bloody slowly, take ages at the tills and proceed to have a long drawn out conversation with the person serving them

Don't forget they smell of wee too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I admit i probably went off on one on this one.

There are occassions where parents are too wrapped up in themselves and ignoring their child.

There are also occassions where the child is crying and the parent is struggling to deal with said situation. People are very quick to complain these days so i dont presume this was going on a while. And these things can happen all of a sudden.

For exanple my youngest at parents evening last week. Conpletely fine then threw up all over the foyer. I asked a teacher for help but she didnt even know if they had a care taker and was completely flustered . As if it had never happened before.

She told me to get paper towels and clean it up myself before someone stepped in it. But tbh i wad more bothered about dealing with my upset child who had just fallen ill.

Were other parents understanding and stop to help? No they moaned about the stink and why isnt she cleaning it up

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

What's that smell ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour. "

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

And secondly you don't know enough about me to say that I'm a good example of why children behave badly, because both of my kids are shining examples of good behavior, their school reports are exceptional, in attendance, behavior and their academics. Yeah not bad considering they have a father like me who would rather defend his right to be in a shop by calling someone a cunt. I guess the do as I say, not as I do school if parenting works, with a daughter who is top of her class in every subject, and a son heading the same way. But you had us down for a family if pajamas wearing tossers.

Put children out of their missery indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xx

And some would say rewarding bad behaviour is a slippery slope. No win situation.

Like someone else said why is it presumed that crying is a child being bad??"

I'm not suggesting it is, but giving a child a toy because they are crying is not always the best approach. I have seen it time and time again, where a parent gives in to the screaming child, by gifting them with sweets or toys. That teaches the child that all they need to do is scream. Screaming equals gifts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to ban old people from shops when I'm in them.

They walk too bloody slowly, take ages at the tills and proceed to have a long drawn out conversation with the person serving them

Don't forget they smell of wee too "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

Put children out of their missery indeed

I'm sure they're proud of their father swearing and verbally abusing strangers for not wanting to hear incessant screaming. You said you couldn't control them, not me. Excellent parenting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right.

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over a year ago

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xx

And some would say rewarding bad behaviour is a slippery slope. No win situation.

Like someone else said why is it presumed that crying is a child being bad??

I agree if you read my post after that i wasnt suggesting that is the right thing in every situation. I didnt explain my first post very well. Sometimes though its ok they are not always being naughty. Crying isnt bad behaviour its an expression that they are upset

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know why people drag their kids around the shops anyway. Kids fucking hate shopping, of course they're going to have tantrums when they have to go to John Lewis. Fucking take them to the park or something and shop on line and leave the rest of us in peace.

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over a year ago

Anyone for cake?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to ban old people from shops when I'm in them.

They walk too bloody slowly, take ages at the tills and proceed to have a long drawn out conversation with the person serving them

Like women then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a low tolerance for screaming.

If I wanted to deal with children having tantrums, I'd have had kids.

If your child can't behave when shopping, shop online and only take them to places where children screaming is to be expected."

I'm the same and I have kids

I couldn't stand the sound of my own kids screaming never mind anybody else's

If I was out and one of my kids kicked off I used to up sticks and leave, end of, no second chance

There was many times I got up and took my kids home mid meal out because they stated playing up, there was no way I was going to sit and eat a meal through my kids playing up never mind subject others to their tantrum's

They soon pick it up if you follow through your threats, the problem is so many parent say if you don't pack it in......blah blah blah several times over even a small child can pick up they are empty threats and mean nothing

As for is it OK to be asked to leave a ship, I suppose a shop is private property so the owner has the right to do as they wish in it, if I wanted somebody to leave my home I have the rights to ask them to leave so why don't shop owners? All because a shop is open to the public is still owned by somebody and you don't have the rights to act as you like in it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They've hardly got a reputation for being a horrible company

They are an excellent company to deal with. Everyone is forgetting, this is the actions of a member of staff. I am sure that amongst their staff, and every large companies staff, their are some I'll informed, and even unpleasant people. It doesn't mean the company is bad.

they pay me a substantial sum to display my artwork ..... i quite like them for that "

You're assuming the member of staff was ill informed or unpleasant for asking the lady to leave. If they'd had complaints from other shoppers, from a pure customer service point of _iew I think they did exactly the same thing. And she's so devastated she's gone to the papers? Yeah that seems like the actions of someone whose feeling like a bad mother not someone whose after compo at all...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most older people I don't mind..but the disapproving ones, and the ones who don't grasp the fact we're no longer in 1940 and are allowed a sense of humour annoy me.

To be fair, most are chatty and amusing..usually have their grandkids with them. Heh.

I'm a bugger in a shop..took a friend who's in a wheelchair to assist him..ended up racing him..electric chair Vs trolley ride. "Ooh, look..what's that over there? *flick the joystick*..that'd be you, lad.."..or at the checkout with lots of bottles of water.."it's OK, I'm his carer. His water's off, and he has toileting issues..THIS is for his daily enema.."...

I can't help it, it's how my sense of mischief rolls..his wife was having hysterics, and he got his own back by reversing over me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

Put children out of their missery indeed

I'm sure they're proud of their father swearing and verbally abusing strangers for not wanting to hear incessant screaming. You said you couldn't control them, not me. Excellent parenting

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yeah they are, but they can take solice in the knowledge that I don't joke about killing screaming children, I'm a great dad by the way, is there any other way you want to try and make me out to be a poor father? ill wait until you think of something

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I shall be sending John Lewis customer services an e-mail thanking them and supporting the action they took to protect their shoppers who didn't want to have to be involved in the tantrum of a child that was nothing at all to do with them.

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

Put children out of their missery indeed

Maybe it's your language that's giving people the wrong impression of you?

It is a little OTT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know why people drag their kids around the shops anyway. Kids fucking hate shopping, of course they're going to have tantrums when they have to go to John Lewis. Fucking take them to the park or something and shop on line and leave the rest of us in peace. "

Some people have no choice but to take their children with them. What really irritates me, is the parents that allow their kids to run around and/or use scooters in shops. I don't blame the kids. It's the idiot parents.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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" But you had us down for a family if pajamas wearing tossers.

I think it might have been the aggressive swearing post that gave that impression.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe because it's a free world, and we want to? Why should WE be the ones to shop online? You were a small child once.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"What was the child doing to have complaints made. When my son had a tantrum depending where we where or what we where doing I either completly ignored him or removed him from where and what we where doing.

All kids have tantrums its up to the parents now they deal with them"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

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over a year ago

"... the parents that allow their kids to run around and/or use scooters in shops. I don't blame the kids. It's the idiot parents."

Mine stay in the trolley, or walk next to me..I don't hold with running about, on H&S grounds..

And not seen scooters...heelys, yes..look bloody lethal...

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over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

Put children out of their missery indeed

I'm sure they're proud of their father swearing and verbally abusing strangers for not wanting to hear incessant screaming. You said you couldn't control them, not me. Excellent parenting

yeah they are, but they can take solice in the knowledge that I don't joke about killing screaming children, I'm a great dad by the way, is there any other way you want to try and make me out to be a poor father? ill wait until you think of something "

By misery, I meant forcing them to shop when they're distressed. There's absolutely no reason to carry on for luxuries in John Lewis when a child is upset, I didn't say you should kill your children - don't be a drama queen.

And no, the "I'll scream and call everyone else cunts and to fuck off in front of my children, and possibly in front of other children" is enough for me to know you're a bad parent as that is a terrible example. Your children turning out well seems to be sheer dumb luck, as you don't lead by example.

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over a year ago

Maybe because it's a free world, and we want to? Why should WE be the ones to shop online? You were a small child once.

What about what your kids want? You think they'd choose going to John Lewis? Bollocks. Yeah I was a kid but luckily I didn't spend my time getting dragged round the shops by a yummy mummy spending the day out with her friends. And if your kids can't behave then yes you do have to shop online, what about what everyone else wants? You are not more important than everyone else just because you spawned a screaming little brat.

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over a year ago

"I shall be sending John Lewis customer services an e-mail thanking them and supporting the action they took to protect their shoppers who didn't want to have to be involved in the tantrum of a child that was nothing at all to do with them.

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so."

Have you honestly got nothing better to do with your time

I've been reading this thread and seeing both sides of the fence. I can't stand kids crying or screaming. But to think hmmmmm I'll send them a virtual pat on the back in the form of an email!

fuck sake....I've seen it all on here now

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over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

Put children out of their missery indeed

Maybe it's your language that's giving people the wrong impression of you?

It is a little OTT"

But it is from the heart though

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Maybe because it's a free world, and we want to? Why should WE be the ones to shop online? You were a small child once.

Because you were the ones that decided to have kids.

If you decide to have kids, you also need to accept that some aspects of your life are going to have to change.

It's fucking selfish to think you can carry on doing exactly what you want, even if that means inflicting the tantrums of the unhappy children you've dragged with you on everyone else.

Yes, I was a kid once. I wasn't taken anywhere unless I could behave appropriately and if I had a tantrum I was removed without anyone needing to complain. My parents were considerate of others, not fixated, selfishly, on what they wanted, you see.

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By *abphilMan
over a year ago

sheffield

"I'd like to ban old people from shops when I'm in them.

They walk too bloody slowly, take ages at the tills and proceed to have a long drawn out conversation with the person serving them

Dont get behind this owd crip i'm fucking terrible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so."

This gets funnier the more I read it!

I don't know if you're being serious or not

"Protecting the shoppers" it's a kid having a paddy, not a bloody terrorist

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over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so."

Might do the same a bit of parental responsibility and example setting never hurt anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

Put children out of their missery indeed

I'm sure they're proud of their father swearing and verbally abusing strangers for not wanting to hear incessant screaming. You said you couldn't control them, not me. Excellent parenting

I wouldn't be impressed at all if I was shopping with my kids when they was little and some guy was stood shouting fuck off and cunt in the shop

To be honest my first thought to that would be there's no wonder his kids are acting up if that's what the dad's like

Sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

Have you honestly got nothing better to do with your time

I've been reading this thread and seeing both sides of the fence. I can't stand kids crying or screaming. But to think hmmmmm I'll send them a virtual pat on the back in the form of an email!

fuck sake....I've seen it all on here now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so."

This makes me far more likely to shop in John Lewis

It's just a shame the management are pandering to this silly woman and have given her flowers or some crap like that for "hurt feelings".

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

Have you honestly got nothing better to do with your time

I've been reading this thread and seeing both sides of the fence. I can't stand kids crying or screaming. But to think hmmmmm I'll send them a virtual pat on the back in the form of an email!

fuck sake....I've seen it all on here now

It's no more daft than the parent running to the papers to cry about it.

I think the store did the right thing and they deserve to know some people appreciate it.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

This makes me far more likely to shop in John Lewis

It's just a shame the management are pandering to this silly woman and have given her flowers or some crap like that for "hurt feelings"."

Yeah. Should have sent her a set of restraints and a muzzle for the child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And some people on here have assumed that I wad talking directly to them, I wasn't, you claimed the title if inadequate cunt, I didn't in any way shane or form, call you that, its not all about you

I think you're a very good example of why children behave poorly, you're more willing to call those affected cunts rather than correct he bad behaviour.

Erm, wrong, firstly, I correct my child's behavior, so yes it can.be changed.

Put children out of their missery indeed

I'm sure they're proud of their father swearing and verbally abusing strangers for not wanting to hear incessant screaming. You said you couldn't control them, not me. Excellent parenting

Oh no no no, I've worked damn hard with my kids, its not luck, you need to stop calling me a bad parent, you know nothing about me, not enough to call me a bad parent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Uncalled for all kids have tantrums

i know that when my kids where little they did

shopping was a nightmare

and a huge shop like John Lewis should be ashamed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

This makes me far more likely to shop in John Lewis

It's just a shame the management are pandering to this silly woman and have given her flowers or some crap like that for "hurt feelings".

Yeah. Should have sent her a set of restraints and a muzzle for the child."

Seriously???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

Have you honestly got nothing better to do with your time

I've been reading this thread and seeing both sides of the fence. I can't stand kids crying or screaming. But to think hmmmmm I'll send them a virtual pat on the back in the form of an email!

fuck sake....I've seen it all on here now

It's no more daft than the parent running to the papers to cry about it.

I think the store did the right thing and they deserve to know some people appreciate it."

Dear john Lewis.

I was on a swinging site the other day debating the issue of a child doing what every kid does...throwing a full on wobbler in one of your stores.

I would like to congratulate you on kicking them out for the hoodlums that they are.

Kind regards.

This really has tickled me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

This makes me far more likely to shop in John Lewis

It's just a shame the management are pandering to this silly woman and have given her flowers or some crap like that for "hurt feelings".

Yeah. Should have sent her a set of restraints and a muzzle for the child."

I'd settle for just backing up their own staff, but that would work too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so."

Protect their shoppers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think some people may of been happier in the days were children were seen and not heard. Heaven forbid we see them as human

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

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so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope more places start doing it.

I may also write to the papers to say so.

This makes me far more likely to shop in John Lewis

It's just a shame the management are pandering to this silly woman and have given her flowers or some crap like that for "hurt feelings".

Yeah. Should have sent her a set of restraints and a muzzle for the child.

Seriously???"

Yes seriously! I think it's crap that the management have backed down like this and not defended their staff members actions. She needs to get a grip, she was out shopping with her friend and dragging her kid along with her, it's not like something bad actually happened to her. If she's this "traumatised" over something so trivial how the hell does she cope with the stresses of parenthood?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some people may of been happier in the days were children were seen and not heard. Heaven forbid we see them as human

Well, no, but definitely disciplined and encouraged to behave appropriately.

I don't know why parents aren't embarrassed to be seen with an uncontrollable child, or embarrassed to be seen not taking steps to comfort a distressed child. I'd be embarrassed to be shown as being unable to manage my child, and I definitely would want to reduce that unnecessary embarrassment by removing myself from the situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, but our genes will outlive yours..

No, I don't DRAG my kids round the shops..we go, if WE want to. Collective WE. They don't scream, they talk..they question, they ask, they wonder..they do the kids thing. Rarely do they arse about, and if they do then I deal..simples.

I do take umbrage with your "all parents should shop online unless their kids are 100% golden" though..I think the phrase "my arse" springs to mind.

As to shopping in John lewis..it'd bore ME to tears, never mind them. I go in to a shop, get what I/We need, get the fuck out of dodge and back to having fun with them.

If people have a problem with kids, being kids...then they are people with underlying issues IMO. Your _iew may of course vary, as is your entitlement. I work with them too, so maybe I'm biased. Who knows.

I'm not out for an argument here, I frankly CBA..but I'm fucked if I'll be told how I should live my life by a keyboard warrior, just because I love my kids to distraction and take them everywhere as a part of me, as opposed to an embarrasment that should be kept indoors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some people may of been happier in the days were children were seen and not heard. Heaven forbid we see them as human

If people love their kids so much maybe they shouldn't spend all their time dragging them round the shops after them while they shop for luxuries with their friends. Sorry but if you have kids you've got to adjust your lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant."

Tolerance is a 2 way street & his post wasn't showing any tolerance for other people....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some people may of been happier in the days were children were seen and not heard. Heaven forbid we see them as human

I dont disagree with that and tbf i should of read the article. My point is this is not all shoppers with children.

I find the idea that beacuse you have kids you are never allowed in a shop though silly. Life isnt all about people with children, people without them or all about the child alone.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I truly believe children are the future and need the very best positive role models to flourish, that starts with the parent/parents then widens into education & sport.

I have no children so I would find it annoying the screaming, but I also have the luxury of time so going elsewhere and returning causes me zero angst.

if I witnessed a grandstanding hissy fit by a parent, I would just laugh at them and think, god bless the child

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have me there. I don't shop for luxuries..just the every day. and if they didn't want to go, they're quite content to stay in the car with their tablets while I nip in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant.

Tolerance is a 2 way street & his post wasn't showing any tolerance for other people...."

Agreed but it clearly hit a nerve and persobally if something if something upsets someone that much i let them have it

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant."
maybe if he had put it over in an intelligent articulate manner of what it's like to deal with a special needs child having a tantrum instead of screaming about it like some banshee on the Jeremy khle show people might have listened.

Another example of how to and how not to deal with a situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I truly believe children are the future and need the very best positive role models to flourish, that starts with the parent/parents then widens into education & sport.

I have no children so I would find it annoying the screaming, but I also have the luxury of time so going elsewhere and returning causes me zero angst.

if I witnessed a grandstanding hissy fit by a parent, I would just laugh at them and think, god bless the child"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right who's up for discussing navigating ikea on a weekend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, but our genes will outlive yours..

I do take umbrage with your "all parents should shop online unless their kids are 100% golden" though..I think the phrase "my arse" springs to mind.

As to shopping in John lewis..it'd bore ME to tears, never mind them. I go in to a shop, get what I/We need, get the fuck out of dodge and back to having fun with them.

Yeah thanks for my daily reminder I can't have kids and "pass on my genes" and am therefore less of a person than all of you. You sound like a fucking awesome person. I hope your kids don't grow up following your example. Yeah I do have issues about the fact I'm currently not able to get pregnant and it makes me feel sad that people who are lucky enough to have the gift of children don't even appreciate them enough to actually change their own selfish behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant.

Tolerance is a 2 way street & his post wasn't showing any tolerance for other people....

Agreed but it clearly hit a nerve and persobally if something if something upsets someone that much i let them have it

Seems like that only applies for the o holy ones who can breed eh. What about things that hit a nerve for other people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant.maybe if he had put it over in an intelligent articulate manner of what it's like to deal with a special needs child having a tantrum instead of screaming about it like some banshee on the Jeremy khle show people might have listened.

Another example of how to and how not to deal with a situation "

Maybe so but i think he just got passionate and it hit a nerve. But then i choose to bleep out the C word.

It wasnt asif he actually did it.

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By *ikerdaveMan
over a year ago

redcar

As a parent of a special needs child myself I learnt to learn the signals that he was about to kick of and removed him from shops cafes amusement parks etc before he started why just because he has problems should he be allowed to disturb the rest of the customers to many parents these days think they have more rights than anyone else and social needs parents are the worst we chose to have children its our responsibility not to allow our children and our problems with our children on everyone else I say good on John lewis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

bugger THAT.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant.

Tolerance is a 2 way street & his post wasn't showing any tolerance for other people....

Agreed but it clearly hit a nerve and persobally if something if something upsets someone that much i let them have it

Seems like that only applies for the o holy ones who can breed eh. What about things that hit a nerve for other people. "

Holier than thou moi? Ha! I call it as i see it whether people agree or not i really couldnt give a damn. My high horse is a shetland pony

We are all entitled to our opnions and i respect yours. What o dont agree with is a mass generalisstion that all kids are being bad and all parents who enter a shop with a child are crap. But then thats my cross to bear

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Another example of how to and how not to deal with a situation

Maybe so but i think he just got passionate and it hit a nerve. But then i choose to bleep out the C word.

It wasnt asif he actually did it. "
well if that is now he gets passionate about things how are we not to know he doesn't do it round his children. Or other people's children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a parent of a special needs child myself I learnt to learn the signals that he was about to kick of and removed him from shops cafes amusement parks etc before he started why just because he has problems should he be allowed to disturb the rest of the customers to many parents these days think they have more rights than anyone else and social needs parents are the worst we chose to have children its our responsibility not to allow our children and our problems with our children on everyone else I say good on John lewis"

You sound like a great parent

I have sympathy for people who have a screaming child must be hard to deal with.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"Absolute wank to me. They are john lewis not ducking harrods.

Thats the problem with the corporate machine once upon a time someone would of given that child a free cheap toy to keep em quite for mum xx

And some would say rewarding bad behaviour is a slippery slope. No win situation.

Like someone else said why is it presumed that crying is a child being bad??"

Oh there are quite a few people where who think children are 'good' or 'bad' and think that they are capable of rational thought and conversation. Bussy was actually abandoned by his father and talks of fear. Wotsisname was placed in a bin and has no idea why.

It's about time we started treating children with respect and actually try to understand how they work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Another example of how to and how not to deal with a situation

Maybe so but i think he just got passionate and it hit a nerve. But then i choose to bleep out the C word.

It wasnt asif he actually did it. "

True, but there are people including him that conduct themselves that way in public.

A little self control goes along way at times, no matter how passionate / emotive the scenario is..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Another example of how to and how not to deal with a situation

Maybe so but i think he just got passionate and it hit a nerve. But then i choose to bleep out the C word.

It wasnt asif he actually did it. well if that is now he gets passionate about things how are we not to know he doesn't do it round his children. Or other people's children"

Just a case of asking him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would like to know if any of those who complained actually offered the mum any help first of all or just went and moaned to a member of John Lewis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My child hasn't got special needs, he's fine, and I gave an example if what I actually heard someone say in toys are us. It was a complaint regarding a pram.

My language is foul, I know this, but I don't swear in front of children, and last time I checked, children aren't allowed in this site, I stand by everything I have said, using foul language in an adult only forum, is no indication. Of being a bad parent, I didn't call anyone on the thread any names in my original post, hope that clears it up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Not defending his liberal use of the c word. But i think the thread is about tolerance of screaming children and to me his example was relevant.

Tolerance is a 2 way street & his post wasn't showing any tolerance for other people....

Agreed but it clearly hit a nerve and persobally if something if something upsets someone that much i let them have it

Seems like that only applies for the o holy ones who can breed eh. What about things that hit a nerve for other people.

Holier than thou moi? Ha! I call it as i see it whether people agree or not i really couldnt give a damn. My high horse is a shetland pony

I think, sadly, that last line says it all and people who can't have kids don't wanna tolerate them.

I kind of get that, didn't really like seeing pregnant women after i had my miscarriage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair to kinky butler he wasnt in john lewis he was in toys r us with a child with special needs. I think i started the swearing with my wank and fuck post

so why bring it up on this thread when it's clearly obvious this is not what the thread is about, he's the one that's chosen to be abusive for something that's not even about him.

Another example of how to and how not to deal with a situation

Maybe so but i think he just got passionate and it hit a nerve. But then i choose to bleep out the C word.

It wasnt asif he actually did it.

True, but there are people including him that conduct themselves that way in public.

A little self control goes along way at times, no matter how passionate / emotive the scenario is..

I agree if he actually would i fully retract my defense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had I been a shopper in the store, I would contribute to the cost of the flowers. I actually think the woman should be told to bugger off and the store worker rewarded. Sorry to all parents of difficult children,, but they are your problem, why should others have to suffer your child's tantrums?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We always removed our children when they had a tantrum, wherever they were. They rarely had them.

I think it's inconsiderate to leave your children screaming etc. in public. I also think the behaviour is best dealt with while they're a manageable age.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i believe my kids SHOULD be seen and heard! They're human beings, all kids have tantrums as long as the parent was dealing with the situation appropriately then I think it's very extreme ........ If you don't take your child out - shopping etc how on earth are they meant to learn how to behave in certain settings, they will become anti social .........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i believe my kids SHOULD be seen and heard! They're human beings, all kids have tantrums as long as the parent was dealing with the situation appropriately then I think it's very extreme ........ If you don't take your child out - shopping etc how on earth are they meant to learn how to behave in certain settings, they will become anti social ......... "

Likewise they need to be taught there are consequences for inappropriate behaviour.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I had a boy,typical boy, could be a shit at times and tnrow the odd tantrum. I don't believe throwing tantrums is a child being bad, its them learning, but you do have to deal with them.

I've seen !IDs kicking off cause they want sweets and the parents turn round and give them to them. There's also kids that play up cause there bored, do something they enjoy.

If imhad to take my son shopping or something I'd say right you come do this with me and then this afternoon we will do what you want. Kids should be able to go anywhere as long as they behave as to where they are, if I was in McDonald's I'd expect to see screaming kids everywhere. If I was in a nice restaurant I'd expect kids to be sat at the table behaving themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My child hasn't got special needs, he's fine, and I gave an example if what I actually heard someone say in toys are us. It was a complaint regarding a pram.

So, when your child kicks off and someone complains, and you ask to see who has complained so you can call them a cunt and to fuck off - does your child magically disappear in this situation or are you just putting on some bravado act on this forum to try and impress someone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right.

In the wrong? A child crying, doesn't make a parent in the wrong though...All kids cry...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you insist on taking it as that, more power to your keyboard.

I've already told you, I treasure my kids. As a single dad, I'd move the earth for them. They are rarely an issue to anyone, and I wouldn't make others suffer if they were - I don't believe I ever said I would.

I'm sorry about your medical issues, I truly am. I've lost 2 as well, and know how THAT hurts. I'm also medically imperfect and have problems. But they aren't the subject of this thread, so don't try and villify me by springing it now, because it just doesn't wash.

I AM an awesome person. I'm an excellent father, my kids excel at school etc, their behaviour is pretty good.

I hope my kids DO grow up like their parents..to learn tolerance, and easy going, and that in this world, there will always be people you can cheerfully ignore, and it's not a bad thing to acknowledge "can't save 'em all". You can't please 100% of people, 100% of the time. So I don't try. Nor apparently do you.

As I say, you have your _iews, I have mine. We stick to those and go our seperate ways, job jobbed.

I have no beef with you personally, but some of the _iews you hold...well, best we stay going our seperate ways..heh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Likewise they need to be taught there are consequences for inappropriate behaviour."

Definitely

It's so important that from a young age children are put in all different everyday settings and shown how they are expected to behave

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

Nowt a good clip around the ear would of put right

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over a year ago

"Right.

In the wrong? A child crying, doesn't make a parent in the wrong though...All kids cry..."

Speaking from experience children with autism and similar special needs should be put in situations out of their comfort zone to help them desensitise to this kind of thing should it happen when they are least expecting it X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right.

In the wrong? A child crying, doesn't make a parent in the wrong though...All kids cry..."

Yeh it does, why should the person not involved be the person to leave? If my kid is being a shit or if my kid is upset somehow, I'll rectify that, I wouldn't want others to suffer just because it's what kids sometimes do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nowt a good clip around the ear would of put right

You can't say THAT in public...

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over a year ago

"Definitely

It's so important that from a young age children are put in all different everyday settings and shown how they are expected to behave

X "

Well ours are just beginning their teens, so I'll tread cautiously..

But so far I'd say the hard work when they were very young has paid off. But there's still time to be proved wrong so I'll not get carried away just yet..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right.

In the wrong? A child crying, doesn't make a parent in the wrong though...All kids cry...

That's a fortunate _iew to take when it also coincides with the mother's shopping habits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

aha. Apparently I'm "scum". And you, my friend, are reported. Now play nice. No tantrums please, we may not wish to witness it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My child hasn't got special needs, he's fine, and I gave an example if what I actually heard someone say in toys are us. It was a complaint regarding a pram.

I don't need to.out in a bravado act, and I have no need for the validation of others, you have an opinion if me, its set in stone, nothing I say is going to change that, so I'll agree with you that I'm a despicable human being, and ill move on with my life, I don't feel like being your entertainment for the evening, I've got better things to do with my life, I know me, I know my kids, I know I'm a sweary lout of a man, but I still don't think you, have any right to call me a bad parent, based on assumptions, and what I say on a swingers forum, and that as they say is that

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By *indys loverCouple
over a year ago

Stratford on avon

My better half recalls the time she was being a real pita whilst in Tesco with her mum and dad , he just went in for the 'behave yourself' swipe across the head but caught her ear with something he was holding , Mindy says she remembers going into full tantrum mode running up and down the aisles , unfortunately for her dad he had caught her ear and she was pumping out blood profusely , turning the aisles of frescoes into something resembling g the opening scene of 'saving private Ryan'

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over a year ago

"Definitely

It's so important that from a young age children are put in all different everyday settings and shown how they are expected to behave

Well ours are just beginning their teens, so I'll tread cautiously..

But so far I'd say the hard work when they were very young has paid off. But there's still time to be proved wrong so I'll not get carried away just yet.."

Next month I will officially have a teenage daughter, 13 years have flown by xx

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

its embarrising enough when your child has tantrums without being asked to leave

I refuse to go in our john lewis cos they are too snobby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a daily basis I find many things people do highly irritating, plenty of which are worse than a child screaming, not least because they come from adults who should know better. Do they care? Like hell they do.

You can't control what others do. You can only control your reaction to it.

It's so hypocritical of anyone to complain about a child having a tantrum. We were all children once upon a time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow.. Just wow

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