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"It's not going to be taken away from the NHS and schools. Their budgets are set, this money will have no impact on them whatsoever." But that makes a shit thread. | |||
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"It's not going to be taken away from the NHS and schools. Their budgets are set, this money will have no impact on them whatsoever. But that makes a shit thread. " Can you not just make stuff up about unicorns being harvested for stem cells to make designer babies or something? Facts?  | |||
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"It's not going to be taken away from the NHS and schools. Their budgets are set, this money will have no impact on them whatsoever. But that makes a shit thread. " Public financial management and the principles of budgeting NEVER makes a shit thread  | |||
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"It's not going to be taken away from the NHS and schools. Their budgets are set, this money will have no impact on them whatsoever." no you are probably right but it has to come from some where no matter what it will affect people in some way but it wont affect companies like amazon Starbucks that owe money for taxes or bp that are profiting from the oil taken from Syria it will affect the general public | |||
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"It's not going to be taken away from the NHS and schools. Their budgets are set, this money will have no impact on them whatsoever. But that makes a shit thread. Public financial management and the principles of budgeting NEVER makes a shit thread "Say "double entry" for me...  | |||
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"It's reAlly nothing as to the amount we pay £55million a day to eu to keep people in unelected jobs who invent self appointed jobs for the boys The day we come out of eu and put the GREAT BACK IN BRITIAN "  | |||
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"And another thing I dont get is why pay turkey to tighten its borders why not stop dropping bombs on Syria and give them the money to fix the damage why is the world consumed with greed sharing is caring thats what this world needs we should be working as one rather than destroying one another then there wouldn't be a crisis everyone would be equal and happy " Give who in Syria money to fix the damage? ISIS and other extremist groups? Or the Assad government? You give either side money they sure as hell won't be using it to "fix" the country, they'll be using it to further the civil war and try to annihilate each other. | |||
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"Sharing is caring thats what this world needs we should be working as one rather than destroying one another then there wouldn't be a crisis everyone would be equal and happy " I'm sure that's what I asked for Christmas when I was 7. | |||
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"put the GREAT BACK IN BRITIAN " Think it's technically Scotland that put the Great in Great Britain | |||
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"It's not going to be taken away from the NHS and schools. Their budgets are set, this money will have no impact on them whatsoever." It's from the IMF isn't it? | |||
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"Well if all the governments on this planet wasn't corrupt and fueled by greed then it would work but you cant give a select few power without them becoming greedy what I'm saying is if the human race could put stereotypes aside and focused on the greater good then it would work " . The governments of the world are generally a direct reflection of the population. No caring sharing population ever votes for a corrupt greedy greedy! So if you've got a greedy corrupt gov... Well look in the mirror!. | |||
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"Should be more tbh." | |||
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"Well if all the governments on this planet wasn't corrupt and fueled by greed then it would work but you cant give a select few power without them becoming greedy what I'm saying is if the human race could put stereotypes aside and focused on the greater good then it would work . The governments of the world are generally a direct reflection of the population. No caring sharing population ever votes for a corrupt greedy greedy! So if you've got a greedy corrupt gov... Well look in the mirror!. " there are two ways to solve everything in this world one is the new world order bringing in a one world government or get rid of all the people controlling the situations all over the world getting rid of all the armies and weapons so no ones is a threat to anyone it could be done | |||
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"there are two ways to solve everything in this world one is the new world order bringing in a one world government or get rid of all the people controlling the situations all over the world getting rid of all the armies and weapons so no ones is a threat to anyone it could be done " Your heart's in the right place  | |||
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"there are two ways to solve everything in this world one is the new world order bringing in a one world government or get rid of all the people controlling the situations all over the world getting rid of all the armies and weapons so no ones is a threat to anyone it could be done Your heart's in the right place "well its not like governments haven't been over thrown before all it would take is for the U.S to do it first everyone else would follow take back the media to start so its not owned by the likes of Donald trump taking away biased news coverage used to keep us in fear to further their agenda people would then realise and stand together instead of being afraid and disconnected from people | |||
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"It's reAlly nothing as to the amount we pay £55million a day to eu to keep people in unelected jobs who invent self appointed jobs for the boys The day we come out of eu and put the GREAT BACK IN BRITIAN " or even Britain.. | |||
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"there are two ways to solve everything in this world one is the new world order bringing in a one world government or get rid of all the people controlling the situations all over the world getting rid of all the armies and weapons so no ones is a threat to anyone it could be done Your heart's in the right place well its not like governments haven't been over thrown before all it would take is for the U.S to do it first everyone else would follow take back the media to start so its not owned by the likes of Donald trump taking away biased news coverage used to keep us in fear to further their agenda people would then realise and stand together instead of being afraid and disconnected from people "so in order to have a world without armies we need to take up arms and overthrow the Governments of the world..? not sure you've thought that through fully.. and just whom is afraid and disconnected..? | |||
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"It's a Syrian civil war.. Syrians are killing and bombing Syrians. I belive our bombs (the rest of the world) are meant to be stopping the war. Maybe we should air drop weapons instead of aid. Just let them get on with it maybe!" how do you think the war started in the first place ? It because of these governments giving weapons to rebles to fight | |||
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"I never Sai anything about arming rebels to fight thats the great thing about democracy we don't have to appoint anyone into power thus disbanding the government as for the oils sharing we don't need it realistically we have solar power with electric heaters cookers cars busses also bio diesel and they are better for the environment so thats a win win " . You know bio diesel is about a 1 to 1.5 ratio don't you. For every barrel of bio oil you harvest your using a barrel and a half of crude oil , growing fertilising, harvesting, watering.. It's very intensive stuff growing stuff. Of course that's not too mention you'd have to plant out about 20% of the land mass to grow, so which do you want food or diesel | |||
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"I never Sai anything about arming rebels to fight thats the great thing about democracy we don't have to appoint anyone into power thus disbanding the government as for the oils sharing we don't need it realistically we have solar power with electric heaters cookers cars busses also bio diesel and they are better for the environment so thats a win win . You know bio diesel is about a 1 to 1.5 ratio don't you. For every barrel of bio oil you harvest your using a barrel and a half of crude oil , growing fertilising, harvesting, watering.. It's very intensive stuff growing stuff. Of course that's not too mention you'd have to plant out about 20% of the land mass to grow, so which do you want food or diesel" you are missing my point entirely I was stating that there are other ways to power things so we don't really need oil for anything | |||
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"I never Sai anything about arming rebels to fight thats the great thing about democracy we don't have to appoint anyone into power thus disbanding the government as for the oils sharing we don't need it realistically we have solar power with electric heaters cookers cars busses also bio diesel and they are better for the environment so thats a win win . You know bio diesel is about a 1 to 1.5 ratio don't you. For every barrel of bio oil you harvest your using a barrel and a half of crude oil , growing fertilising, harvesting, watering.. It's very intensive stuff growing stuff. Of course that's not too mention you'd have to plant out about 20% of the land mass to grow, so which do you want food or dieselyou are missing my point entirely I was stating that there are other ways to power things so we don't really need oil for anything " . Oh dear if that were only true!. Yes we COULD power stuff using other energy sources, but your not going to come with an electric cargosocietal electric airplanes anytime soon. So yes we could and we should really be swapping away from fossil fuels right now, but the infrastructure change alone is gigantic, I mean the biggest building/engineering/technological challenge the world's faced since the Apollo programme. It could maybe be done if we start today and plough in 15-30% of global GDP... Maybe but probably not in time to avert a 2 degree increase in global temperatures (that's not my opinion that's the opinion of the world's leading experts). Of course doing that would alleviate alot of societal problems we see today and problems we see if wealth disparity. The real problem is getting the billon(you and I) to give some up | |||
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"Only have to look at latest news and why we need OUT!, Euro printing money and dropping rates below ZERO. ?" How is that different from quantitative easing and dropping the base rate to half a percent as extensively carried out by the Bank of England? Sounds like more of the same to me. | |||
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"Only have to look at latest news and why we need OUT!, Euro printing money and dropping rates below ZERO. ? How is that different from quantitative easing and dropping the base rate to half a percent as extensively carried out by the Bank of England? Sounds like more of the same to me. " Its a very big but technical difference but basically QE was doing a very different function to what the ECB has been doing. And having a + interest rate is significantly different to a - rate in the money markets where countries borrow money. The ECB for the Euro will be paying significantly higher rates to borrow money than will the UK or America. And (IMHO) the way the EU is using the Euro mechanisms within the EU is damaging the few non-Euro countries. Mind it has damaged Euro countries like Greece and Spain and Italy as well. It is one bunch being treated differently to the rest. As for the Turkey money basically they asked for e3 Billion and got it. That got salted away and now they want another e3 Billion. Oh and free EU visas. Oh and early EU membership. It is blackmail so we should have said 'f**k off and use the e3 Billion' and stood firm. But that is the difference between us in the UK and the EU. because a) it is OUR money so we take care of it and b) it is not the EU's money so they spend like there is no tomorrow. Just another clear example of why the sooner we are out the better. | |||
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"Only have to look at latest news and why we need OUT!, Euro printing money and dropping rates below ZERO. ? How is that different from quantitative easing and dropping the base rate to half a percent as extensively carried out by the Bank of England? Sounds like more of the same to me. Its a very big but technical difference but basically QE was doing a very different function to what the ECB has been doing. And having a + interest rate is significantly different to a - rate in the money markets where countries borrow money. The ECB for the Euro will be paying significantly higher rates to borrow money than will the UK or America. And (IMHO) the way the EU is using the Euro mechanisms within the EU is damaging the few non-Euro countries. Mind it has damaged Euro countries like Greece and Spain and Italy as well. It is one bunch being treated differently to the rest. As for the Turkey money basically they asked for e3 Billion and got it. That got salted away and now they want another e3 Billion. Oh and free EU visas. Oh and early EU membership. It is blackmail so we should have said 'f**k off and use the e3 Billion' and stood firm. But that is the difference between us in the UK and the EU. because a) it is OUR money so we take care of it and b) it is not the EU's money so they spend like there is no tomorrow. Just another clear example of why the sooner we are out the better." It's really not that different - it is exactly the same principle, no matter how much you'd like to fight that. QE and other forms of expansionary monetary policy have been carried out by the BOE, the US Federal Reserve and many many other institutions a lot over recent years. It's a bit rich to slag off the ECB for doing the same. It's not a particularly good sign of financial health in the Eurozone that the ECB is having to do this, but we're not in the Eurozone and it's got sod all to do with Brexit. It's getting a wee bit desperate the way the leave campaign are jumping on every single thing that happens as another sign that Armageddon is looming (hmmm, Project Fear, anyone?) On another note, I recall some of your previous posts in favour of Mr Cameron. Who are you hoping will become PM in July if we vote to leave the EU? (Which would create yet more helpful political upheaval meaning shit all gets done by government this year). | |||
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"It's reAlly nothing as to the amount we pay £55million a day to eu to keep people in unelected jobs who invent self appointed jobs for the boys The day we come out of eu and put the GREAT BACK IN BRITIAN " Latest story in the newspapers today Eurocrats plan to spend millions on limos to ferry MEP's around Brussels and Strasbourg. A new fleet of plush cars will be bought in together with 110 chauffeurs who will each be wearing £800 quid uniforms. Is this really a good way to be frankly wasting European taxpayers money? | |||
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"It's really not that different - it is exactly the same principle, no matter how much you'd like to fight that. QE and other forms of expansionary monetary policy have been carried out by the BOE, the US Federal Reserve and many many other institutions a lot over recent years. It's a bit rich to slag off the ECB for doing the same. It's not a particularly good sign of financial health in the Eurozone that the ECB is having to do this, but we're not in the Eurozone and it's got sod all to do with Brexit. It's getting a wee bit desperate the way the leave campaign are jumping on every single thing that happens as another sign that Armageddon is looming (hmmm, Project Fear, anyone?) On another note, I recall some of your previous posts in favour of Mr Cameron. Who are you hoping will become PM in July if we vote to leave the EU? (Which would create yet more helpful political upheaval meaning shit all gets done by government this year)." The fundamental difference is that QE in the UK is for ONE country and ONE currency and ONE set of Bonds. The ECB is applying that idea to 19 countries and 19 Governments and 19 sets of Bonds. And where did I relate this ECB action to Brexit? I didn't. And neither did I say anything about 'armageddon' or use any scare tactics about the Euro or ECB action. So do please keep to what is said. What I DID say was that it was the Turkey debacle that should cause us concern and make us leave. perhaps you disagree? As for David Cameron yes I have been a staunch supporter of his policies regarding the economy and other matters. I happen to think he has handled all this EU business very poorly. So I will criticise his POLICY. Unlike some I do not aim at the man I aim at his policies and what he says. And I will continue to be a staunch Conservative for the rest of my life. What happens in July? He will carry out the wishes of the people that is what will happen. He has said as much and that is fine by me. He has no reason to resign earlier than he intended to anyway and so there will be no 'distractions' in July. | |||
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"Only have to look at latest news and why we need OUT!, Euro printing money and dropping rates below ZERO. ? How is that different from quantitative easing and dropping the base rate to half a percent as extensively carried out by the Bank of England? Sounds like more of the same to me. " Far from it as Europe doesn't sent 55m a day our way, so we are with our own problems plus propping up other counties , Not to mention there families and children, then there is the wave of people just coming for operations on nhs then going, plus we pay for operations in there country, all day so is come get fictions address fill few forms in go back and they clIam against us, Doesn't sound quiet right to me | |||
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"How many more unicorns must die in the name of cyclops research?" There has never been either, | |||
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"How many more unicorns must die in the name of cyclops research? There has never been either, " Weren't they bumped off by the Manticores?  | |||
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"Only have to look at latest news and why we need OUT!, Euro printing money and dropping rates below ZERO. ? How is that different from quantitative easing and dropping the base rate to half a percent as extensively carried out by the Bank of England? Sounds like more of the same to me. " . It's not any different and it's not really new, yes ZIRP and NIRP are relatively new but the QE is like 8 years old and were roughly on the third or fourth issue depending on country!. What is significant is the countries doing it! There all the ones with massively high private debt, the whole idea is to buy up that debt and inject fresh capital. I don't have a problem with it, except it's done the wrong way round from top down instead it should be bottom up, it's why credit is still tight, debt hasn't been alleviated very well and inflation won't budge because the money isn't flowing like it should (this is measured, they call it the velocity of capital and it's at all time lows). The Euro will collapse sometime soon unless somebody grabs the bull by the horns and takes action that gets at the initial problem! And that is, private debt is way way way too high. The problem is much like Greece faced a debt to high that soaks up to much interest, meaning growth stagnates so ZIRP and NIRP is brought in as a way to try to free up extra capital for spending, ie the less your debt costs, the more free money you have to spend, sounds good in principle but in practise putting it in top down is causing massive asset bubbles. Personally I keep all my spare money in other currencies as I don't think sterling is any better than the euro! | |||
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