FabSwingers.com forum: cutting the deficit

By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Given the state of our economic woes what would you do if you were the person making decisons on our economy and cutting the deficit.

For a start i would have nothing to do with Europe why should us taxpayers pay for other countries when there banks also go tits up.

I would also withdraw all troops from afghanistan.

I would also take back tripling our foreign aide donations

What would you do to cut the deficit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

privatise it all

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

Make the Royal wedding a pay-for-view and privatise the NHS.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Stop wasting money on shite!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"............

I would also take back tripling our foreign aide donations

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When did we triple our "foreign aide (sic) donations"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"........ privatise the NHS."

You Are Andrew Lansley and I claim my £10!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Assess benefits and stop giving handouts to those who are milking the system.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

They already assess benefits.....incidentally the benefits bill the Tories want to cut down?

It will increase by around 15% in the term of this government according to the LSE....because of soaring unemployment due to the cuts.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Make the Royal wedding a pay-for-view and privatise the NHS."

The royal wedding a pay per view already if your going to watch it on the BBC. i genuinely think the royal wedding is going to attract as much viewing as eddie stobbarts haulage documentry soap. I will be out enjoying the day of work lol

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Stop wasting money on shite!

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yep lets close down illegal rackateering like the qvc channel and its dirty laundry buissness aka ebay lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ban foreign holidays, there’s no point moaning about your countries economy when you spend all your hard earned cash elsewhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They already assess benefits.....incidentally the benefits bill the Tories want to cut down?

It will increase by around 15% in the term of this government according to the LSE....because of soaring unemployment due to the cuts."

Nah.....been out of work for a while...am told i am not entitled to job seekers benefit or income based benefits, council tax benefit etc etc etc...so sounds like they have it covered

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"They already assess benefits.....incidentally the benefits bill the Tories want to cut down?

It will increase by around 15% in the term of this government according to the LSE....because of soaring unemployment due to the cuts.

Nah.....been out of work for a while...am told i am not entitled to job seekers benefit or income based benefits, council tax benefit etc etc etc...so sounds like they have it covered

On what grounds?.....too much savings?

Income from another householder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

National Lottery profits to go to boost our NHS and Crumbling Schools and education system. Fix whats broken first instead of spending it on luxuries like canooing trips for retired beekeepers or whatever. There really are some madcap groups qualifying for NL handouts these days calling themselves 'deserving causes'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps we could get down and beg on bended knee to all the countries of the world we have previously pillaged and exploited for our own nations greed and gain.... while we ask them ever so politely to "give" us some money to help get us out of the crippling debts we've pretty much caused upon ourselves, but that we like to pretend had nothing to do with us knowingly spending more money than we acctuially had,

Hey, we could also promise to be their best friends from now on....and never again preach at them on how they should run there own economic and political strategies.... and stop telling them we know bestest,,,, cuz were the champions of the world…..!!!

yeah that will work…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They already assess benefits.....incidentally the benefits bill the Tories want to cut down?

It will increase by around 15% in the term of this government according to the LSE....because of soaring unemployment due to the cuts.

Nah.....been out of work for a while...am told i am not entitled to job seekers benefit or income based benefits, council tax benefit etc etc etc...so sounds like they have it covered

On what grounds?.....too much savings?

Income from another householder?"

mrs stu works more than 24hrs a week...apparently excludes me from claiming anything....they've never actually asked or tried to find out wwhat she earns...am sure there is method to their madness.....the good thing is that no one will ever be able to accuse me of being a sponger...lol

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By *illyrocCouple
over a year ago

north west

I think there cutting far more than they need to,THEN just before election time they will chuck a load of money back in the pot to win voters ,you see.

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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago

The Forest

"........ privatise the NHS.

You Are Andrew Lansley and I claim my £10!"

Oh, ok - I admit it. But with taxes, your £10 payment will be reduced to 1 guinea, a farthing and a kick up the arse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They already assess benefits.....incidentally the benefits bill the Tories want to cut down?

It will increase by around 15% in the term of this government according to the LSE....because of soaring unemployment due to the cuts.

Nah.....been out of work for a while...am told i am not entitled to job seekers benefit or income based benefits, council tax benefit etc etc etc...so sounds like they have it covered

On what grounds?.....too much savings?

Income from another householder?"

Self employed people cannot claim unemployment benefits in times when work dries up - particularly in the Sub-Contracting Industry and participating in the CIS taxation scheme - they are supposed to put money away for a rainy day and weather the storm. Remember they give up 20% of their income and have to RECLAIM their personal allowances at the end of the tax year. So in effect those who have overpaid into the tax system get sod all. OOh Im so mad I could crush a grape.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Perhaps we could get down and beg on bended knee to all the countries of the world we have previously pillaged and exploited for our own nations greed and gain.... while we ask them ever so politely to "give" us some money to help get us out of the crippling debts we've pretty much caused upon ourselves, but that we like to pretend had nothing to do with us knowingly spending more money than we acctuially had,

yeah that will work…

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eeeeh ???? scratching my head here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put up Vat, Cut public services,tell us we're lucky to have a job

.just before the next election introduce tax cuts..ring any bells? Thatcher did it and so will Dave

and we'll fall for it again.

incidentally,Meryl Streep is making a film about MT. rated PG (not suitable for miners)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?..."

They're all Russians or Indians or Saudis. I can interpret

£200 per hour

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Stop wasting money on shite!

yep lets close down illegal rackateering like the qvc channel and its dirty laundry buissness aka ebay lol."

Yup... and stick those fucking Edinburgh trams in there too!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

They're all Russians or Indians or Saudis. I can interpret

£200 per hour"

hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?..."

But... without any nut roasting.. what if their wealth is in fixed assets? Who are they gonna sell their yachts and mansions to, in order to liquidise funds for the chancellor?

I agree organisations who are making obscene profits should be taxed to the hilt but plunging into individuals wealth - Im not comfortable with that but not sure why. I'll have a think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry what I meant was if you sell your mansion to someone who can afford a mansion then they will have a mansion and they should sell it to someone to liquidise their dosh and the person they sell it to has a mansion so.....

see its a funny one...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

But... without any nut roasting.. what if their wealth is in fixed assets? Who are they gonna sell their yachts and mansions to, in order to liquidise funds for the chancellor?

I agree organisations who are making obscene profits should be taxed to the hilt but plunging into individuals wealth - Im not comfortable with that but not sure why. I'll have a think.

I`ve thought about it .....stick em up ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry what I meant was if you sell your mansion to someone who can afford a mansion then they will have a mansion and they should sell it to someone to liquidise their dosh and the person they sell it to has a mansion so.....

see its a funny one..."

Eat the rich!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

eeeeh ???? scratching my head here

Wot....You don't understand...???

sigh!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

But... without any nut roasting.. what if their wealth is in fixed assets? Who are they gonna sell their yachts and mansions to, in order to liquidise funds for the chancellor?

I agree organisations who are making obscene profits should be taxed to the hilt but plunging into individuals wealth - Im not comfortable with that but not sure why. I'll have a think.

I`ve thought about it .....stick em up ....

hahah Butch Cassidy or Robin Hood outfit on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

But... without any nut roasting.. what if their wealth is in fixed assets? Who are they gonna sell their yachts and mansions to, in order to liquidise funds for the chancellor?

I agree organisations who are making obscene profits should be taxed to the hilt but plunging into individuals wealth - Im not comfortable with that but not sure why. I'll have a think.

I`ve thought about it .....stick em up ....

hahah Butch Cassidy or Robin Hood outfit on?"

Both ...that way I could claim multiculturism ....

Give us yer shackle ..

I`d consider staged payments

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Stop wasting money on shite!

yep lets close down illegal rackateering like the qvc channel and its dirty laundry buissness aka ebay lol.

Yup... and stick those fucking Edinburgh trams in there too!!

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can i also throw in those long bendy busses lol

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

But... without any nut roasting.. what if their wealth is in fixed assets? Who are they gonna sell their yachts and mansions to, in order to liquidise funds for the chancellor?

I agree organisations who are making obscene profits should be taxed to the hilt but plunging into individuals wealth - Im not comfortable with that but not sure why. I'll have a think.

I`ve thought about it .....stick em up ....

hahah Butch Cassidy or Robin Hood outfit on?"

You have balls ?

lovely idea just that the rich all have of shore accounts to slip through the grasp of the tax man ..i do not see there political chums doing anything soon to stop this from continuing ,,,nice idea though

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

just a stupid thought How about teaming up with team america our puppet masters world police and plundering china oh hang on they have nuclear capability and theres billions of them so we would get our arses kicked... so lets just stick with paying them back 200% interest on a loan deal lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

But... without any nut roasting.. what if their wealth is in fixed assets? Who are they gonna sell their yachts and mansions to, in order to liquidise funds for the chancellor?

I agree organisations who are making obscene profits should be taxed to the hilt but plunging into individuals wealth - Im not comfortable with that but not sure why. I'll have a think.

I`ve thought about it .....stick em up ....

hahah Butch Cassidy or Robin Hood outfit on?

You have balls ?

I`m bow legged yer cheeky wotsit

Its a legitimate idea .....serious credible professor at the LSE...kinda paradigm shift ....most of his cause was in presenting an alternative ....he spoke with various leading politians about it ...and was taken seriously ...t`was food fer thought ...

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By *adcowWoman
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

"Make the Royal wedding a pay-for-view and privatise the NHS."

the nhs bit may be sooner than you think

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Make the Royal wedding a pay-for-view and privatise the NHS.

the nhs bit may be sooner than you think"

unfortuantley i tend to agree they have already taken away free education so nhs will probably follow suit.

If they privatised the nhs i am pretty sure they would still make us pay national insurace in some other guise i know ,,,,im such a cynic arnt i lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Make the Royal wedding a pay-for-view and privatise the NHS.

the nhs bit may be sooner than you think"

I'm having an operation on Tuesday. My local hospital,Queen Mary's, is slowly being destroyed bit by bit. I'm having my op at a BMI hospital,paid for thru the NHS.

I have to be there at 15:30. when I asked 'why so late?' I was told the surgeon was working at Queen Mary's beforehand.Why they couldn't have done me there I'll never know. It's not like my problem is urgent or really that important to my future health. though having an NHS Op may harm my future health

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd legalise drugs. The tax income generated from just the cannabis, cocaine, and ecstasy consumed in this country should help balance the books. Drug use is rife anyway so why not make it safer and make some money at the same time. It'll never happen though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thus country needs some serious Fiscal Stimulation..........

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"I'd legalise drugs. The tax income generated from just the cannabis, cocaine, and ecstasy consumed in this country should help balance the books. Drug use is rife anyway so why not make it safer and make some money at the same time. It'll never happen though."

Well yes thing is though there would be drugs protests like fuel protests when everyone complains of the added amount of tax you have to pay lol hmmm maybe legalising could get everybody of drugs same way as pricing the motorist of the road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Make the Royal wedding a pay-for-view and privatise the NHS.

the nhs bit may be sooner than you think

I'm having an operation on Tuesday. My local hospital,Queen Mary's, is slowly being destroyed bit by bit. I'm having my op at a BMI hospital,paid for thru the NHS.

Targets. So that when Lansley's changes to the NHS allow GPs complete choice of where to send a patient - and the money that follows - the hospital can show good results about targets.

Outcomes? Who the fuck cares? So a few extra patients die. No great loss, eh?

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Thus country needs some serious Fiscal Stimulation..........

lol countries been run by bankers for years ....did i just say bankers i meant ww hmmm whether we use "b" or a "w#" they equate to the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trick would be to only jack the tax up on cannabis

people would say " that's outrageous I really think we shoul.....er...yeah..ah!...are they your Monster Munch?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody would want to do drugs if it was 'allowed'. But it would generate income for sure xx

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Make the Royal wedding a pay-for-view and privatise the NHS.

the nhs bit may be sooner than you think

I'm having an operation on Tuesday. My local hospital,Queen Mary's, is slowly being destroyed bit by bit. I'm having my op at a BMI hospital,paid for thru the NHS.

Targets. So that when Lansley's changes to the NHS allow GPs complete choice of where to send a patient - and the money that follows - the hospital can show good results about targets.

Outcomes? Who the fuck cares? So a few extra patients die. No great loss, eh?"

Yeah but we can all take comfort from our grief that the waiting time stats have been fiddled again.

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By *arahPCouple
over a year ago

Banbridge

Id have let the big banks fail and dispel the myth of too big to fail. Bringing back true free market competition.

Id also get rid of the ponzie scheme way of running the monetary system, aka fractional banking and get back to something along the lines of the gold standard.

Id also seriously look into the benefits, if any, of DFID/UKAID.

Thats for a start anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The person at the start said bring home all the troops.I often wonder how much it costs the uk each year to keep them at war.Bring them home and let them patrol the coast line and keep out peep you don't want. I wonder how much it would save the country.Those guys don't even get a mention on the news hardly any more.Its just like theirs another one dead O well his family has been informed.

Then have a look at the people who are getting benefits for kids who don't even live in the uk, was shocked when I was told that.And all the people that class going to the dole every 2 weeks as a job.

I am out of work at the minute can seem to get perm work. But when i see some of the people that are signing on and have done since they left school in the mid 70. Makes me sick they don't seem to have a care in the world.

Then there is the people that go to the doctor with every complaint in the world get the tabs from the doctor and sell them. Whats the country coming to.

Sorry for the rant but I am pissed off seeing people taking the piss out of the system.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Troops patrolling the coastline?

Anyone would think we have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants landing on our beaches every night after dark....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody would want to do drugs if it was 'allowed'."

I dunno about that; look at the Netherlands, for instance. The less governments treat their citizens like children, the more they'll behave like adults.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Id have let the big banks fail and dispel the myth of too big to fail. Bringing back true free market competition.

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Even if that had taken your life savings with them?

Or the money you've been paying into that life assurance or mortgage endowment policy for however many years?

Or your house had gone on fire that night or your car been stolen?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Just what drugs apart from Cannabis do you believe are legal in the Netherlands?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just what drugs apart from Cannabis do you believe are legal in the Netherlands?"

Well it's a start. But to be honest they've been toeing the EU line more in recent years anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dunno about that; look at the Netherlands, for instance. The less governments treat their citizens like children, the more they'll behave like adults."

I've lived and worked in Holland on a number of separate occasions... and I can in all honestly say, I don’t agree with the gist of what I think your suggesting..... !!!

Man... its not all windmills and window shopping.... ffs... theres hell of a lot of really wicked crime takes place there every day.....Due in no small part to the governments relaxed policies on certain issues,,,, its crime that’s maybe not in you local newspaper..... but its there alright.... ffs ,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The person at the start said bring home all the troops.I often wonder how much it costs the uk each year to keep them at war............. "

Last time I looked there were twice as many British soldiers serving with the British Army of the Rhine as there are in Afghanistan.

I know why they were left there but I'm not sure why they're STILL there? To rebuff a Russian tank invasion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?..."

The richest 10% already pay 50% of the taxes in this country. Of course that's not that surprising when you think how rich some of them are. The problem is non-doms and tax fiddlers like 'Sir' Philip Green. Look at Murdoch; he doesn't pay UK taxes and he's been running the country for the last thirty years.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Murdoch may not pay taxes in the UK but his companies pay multi millions to the exchequer in taxes every year.....far more than his tax liabilty as an individual might be.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"............

I would also take back tripling our foreign aide donations

..............

When did we triple our "foreign aide

(sic) donations"?"
It was mentioned on channel four news over the donations to the recent flooding in Pakistan.

Camerons held his hands up that indeed his party had increased foreign aide donations. His reasoning in doing so was to use by way of explanation the donation to Pakistan would prevent moderate muslims turning to extremist islamic views ???? I cant pick the sense out of that one either?

Appears cameron is telling us how he has to slash and cut public services and tax us even more to death by conviently blaming the woefull mismanagement by the previous government and creating the benefit scrounger smoke screen yet if the cupboard is so bare how can he triple foreign aide policy, of course by futher fleecing us the put upon taxpayer. In times like this should charity not begin at home?

Why should we provide aide to Pakistan at all. If they can afford nuclear weapons there far from a third world country are they not ?? surely there government can afford to sort there own people out.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Foreign aid will rise by an estimated 37% in the current fiscal year.....not triple.

The rise is almost entirely due to major disasters overseas....or maybe you think we should just close our eyes to it?

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By *arahPCouple
over a year ago

Banbridge

"Id have let the big banks fail and dispel the myth of too big to fail. Bringing back true free market competition.

...........

Even if that had taken your life savings with them?

Or the money you've been paying into that life assurance or mortgage endowment policy for however many years?

Or your house had gone on fire that night or your car been stolen?"

Ermm would i be right in saying peoples life savings did go and life assurance/endowment policies have gone tits up. This is with the current system.

Unfortunately your 1 of the people who have been led to believe the "too big to fail" myth, fed to us all by none other than big banks.

You may want to look into Iceland, who decided to buck the trend of saving the big banks.

The crisis almost sank the country. The krona lost 58 percent of its value, inflation rose to 19 percent and GDP contracted by 7 percent that year.

With the economy projected to grow 3 percent this year, Iceland’s decision to let the banks fail is looking ok to me.

Iceland made sure its payment systems continued to function while creditors, not the taxpayers, footed the losses of banks.

Iceland's three new banks had combined profit of $309 million in the first nine months of 2010. GDP grew for the first time in two years, inflation is down to 1.8 percent and the cost of insuring government debt has tumbled 80 percent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don`t know the exact figures so I`m prepared to have my balls roasted ....I don`t care .....

Take 10% of the wealth of the richest in our society ...think its something like top 1%.....a professor at the LSE did the figures a short time ago .....some of you no doubt saw it as well ....

The revenue amassed will wipe out ALL the debt .....seems to me they can afford 10%...can`t hurt that much can it ?...

Lol...I`d share a smile with yer Murdoch homily ....tho didn`t quite work at the last election did it .....but yer right a disproportionatte ammount of power ...

Oh ...you`m talking taxes ..nah ...grab their jewels ...just a few ickle ones each..won`t miss em surely ?

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Foreign aid will rise by an estimated 37% in the current fiscal year.....not triple.

The rise is almost entirely due to major disasters overseas....or maybe you think we should just close our eyes to it?"

if you wish to twist what i am saying fair enough what i am saying yes make donations to genuine contries that need it. Why should we make donations to a country that can afford nuclear capability if they can afford nukes there not what i would consider to be short of a few bob or two.

i see you always attempt to prove your points with stats yet i very rarey see the source you quote them from.

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over a year ago

I dunno about that; look at the Netherlands, for instance. The less governments treat their citizens like children, the more they'll behave like adults.

I've lived and worked in Holland on a number of separate occasions... and I can in all honestly say, I don’t agree with the gist of what I think your suggesting..... !!!

I remember a few years back if you went to the Waterlooplein area it was advisable to wear a kevlar vest,and the heroin boats never panned out as expected either. I love The Dam but to be honest its not what it was and i'm probably more wary there than London these days

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

and the word the reporting c4 journalist used was "tripled"

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Foreign aid will rise by an estimated 37% in the current fiscal year.....not triple.

The rise is almost entirely due to major disasters overseas....or maybe you think we should just close our eyes to it?

i see you always attempt to prove your points with stats yet i very rarey see the source you quote them from.

It's no secret....it's in the script from the 2010 spending review from the new coalition, George Osbournes budget review given to the House of Commons.

So now you tell us where you found it to be TRIPLE?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Pakistan built their nuclear weapon capability in the 70's, 80's and 90's....

I don't think you will find they are spending Billions on them now, much as most of the Western World has been scaling down since 1995.

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over a year ago

At least with Murdoch you can choose to pay or not. If you don't; it's quite simple, he'll go out of business.

Unlike the BBC where you have no choice whatsoever, pay the licence fee or end up in a cell with some MP.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Foreign aid will rise by an estimated 37% in the current fiscal year.....not triple.

The rise is almost entirely due to major disasters overseas....or maybe you think we should just close our eyes to it?

i see you always attempt to prove your points with stats yet i very rarey see the source you quote them from.

It's no secret....it's in the script from the 2010 spending review from the new coalition, George Osbournes budget review given to the House of Commons.

So now you tell us where you found it to be TRIPLE?"

already posted where i found it tripled from the mouth of a channel 4 journalist on channel 4 news with regard to your quote on the spending review i have to work for a liveing and lead a life so my knowledge comes from the news on the tv (anything except the bbc)

if you have the time to quote all these stats its begs the question why do you vigouresly support everything you are spoon fed from politicians and believe in there stats as true ? ,,are you one yourself? i mean its not like a politician has ever misled the public before now is it by use of media spin and inaccurate stats.

Oh and for the record i am not aligned to any political party there all as rotten as each other ..especially the BNP ..cheers

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Foreign aid will rise by an estimated 37% in the current fiscal year.....not triple.

The rise is almost entirely due to major disasters overseas....or maybe you think we should just close our eyes to it?

i see you always attempt to prove your points with stats yet i very rarey see the source you quote them from.

It's no secret....it's in the script from the 2010 spending review from the new coalition, George Osbournes budget review given to the House of Commons.

So now you tell us where you found it to be TRIPLE?

Oh and for the record i am not aligned to any political party there all as rotten as each other ..especially the BNP ..cheers

So let me get this right....You post details of stats like 'Foreign Aid triples' and that's ok....but when someone else answers you with stats taken from a reputable website like Parliamentary records then they are being spoon fed?

You made the rash statement about Foreign Aid tripling.....based upon something you think you heard on Channel Four news, I questioned it and backed it up using the actual statement from the Chancellor.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Foreign aid will rise by an estimated 37% in the current fiscal year.....not triple.

The rise is almost entirely due to major disasters overseas....or maybe you think we should just close our eyes to it?"

so the powers that be can now predict future global enviromental disasters ??

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Foreign aid will rise by an estimated 37% in the current fiscal year.....not triple.

The rise is almost entirely due to major disasters overseas....or maybe you think we should just close our eyes to it?

i see you always attempt to prove your points with stats yet i very rarey see the source you quote them from.

It's no secret....it's in the script from the 2010 spending review from the new coalition, George Osbournes budget review given to the House of Commons.

So now you tell us where you found it to be TRIPLE?

Oh and for the record i am not aligned to any political party there all as rotten as each other ..especially the BNP ..cheers

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I never quoted any stats i simply posted what i heard from word of mouth from a channel 4 news journalist ...channel 4 news ,,,on the telly.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I heard a man say the other day that he saw Elvis riding Shergar along Exeter High Street....

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"I heard a man say the other day that he saw Elvis riding Shergar along Exeter High Street...."

What were the statistics on others seeing this event ?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I heard a man say the other day that he saw Elvis riding Shergar along Exeter High Street....

What were the statistics on others seeing this event ?"

About the same as you hearing a Channel Four report that said that our Foreign Aid had tripled under this new government....

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"I heard a man say the other day that he saw Elvis riding Shergar along Exeter High Street....

What were the statistics on others seeing this event ?

About the same as you hearing a Channel Four report that said that our Foreign Aid had tripled under this new government...."

okay oh btw would you care to actully contribute to the thread by posting your thoughts/comments, or do you just prefer attacking and twisting others posts?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

This is how it works....you make sweeping statements about how Gordon Brown sold the UK gold reserves for a third of their true value....which was factually incorrect....and then someone like me corrects you with the actual facts.

That is called debate, which is what the threads are all about.

It's not a personal attack, it's a perfectly polite and logical response to your posts....which are often sweeping statements.

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over a year ago

We need to trim some fat in the public sector but the key to success will be growing ourselves out of this mess. Clearly nothing like enough is being done to address this fact.

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over a year ago

"I heard a man say the other day that he saw Elvis riding Shergar along Exeter High Street...."

Nah, surely not; wasn't that your local LibDem MP meeting and greeting his local plebs...sorry xx

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over a year ago

"I heard a man say the other day that he saw Elvis riding Shergar along Exeter High Street....

What were the statistics on others seeing this event ?

About the same as you hearing a Channel Four report that said that our Foreign Aid had tripled under this new government...."

That made me chuckle (no offence to anyone) but I actually laughed out load

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over a year ago

"We need to trim some fat in the public sector but the key to success will be growing ourselves out of this mess. Clearly nothing like enough is being done to address this fact. "

A true word spoken Blackspice, though not much comfort to those in the public sector who have benefited from Gordon Browns huge expansion of non-jobs...they'll still loose them and they and their families will still suffer.

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over a year ago

"We need to trim some fat in the public sector but the key to success will be growing ourselves out of this mess. Clearly nothing like enough is being done to address this fact. "

Nothing AT ALL is being done to address the need for growth.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"This is how it works....you make sweeping statements about how Gordon Brown sold the UK gold reserves for a third of their true value....which was factually incorrect....and then someone like me corrects you with the actual facts.

That is called debate, which is what the threads are all about.

It's not a personal attack, it's a perfectly polite and logical response to your posts....which are often sweeping statements."

i am fully aware of what a debate is, thanks.Your perfectly entitled to your opinions as i am to mine. What i do object to is when posts are twisted such as in relation to cutting the foreign aid donations you say oh so dont pay anything at all in foreign aide when,, if you care to read my actual thread you would see i made no such statement other than reduce it.

cheers thankyou and goodnight

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over a year ago

The need fer growth is esential I agree...

Where its gona come from I dunno ...

Osborne seems to be aware of its importance, with the deal with the banks ....lend more to business in return fer your bonuses ..a quid pro quo as I saw it ....

Wether the growth will come quick enough to save a recession is uncertain...bloody well hope so ...

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over a year ago

"We need to trim some fat in the public sector but the key to success will be growing ourselves out of this mess. Clearly nothing like enough is being done to address this fact.

Nothing AT ALL is being done to address the need for growth. "

And you solution is?...the greedy bankers that you you support (at least their bail out) are just taking, not lending...just where is the growth coming from?

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over a year ago

"The need fer growth is esential I agree...

Where its gona come from I dunno ...

Osborne seems to be aware of its importance, with the deal with the banks ....lend more to business in return fer your bonuses ..a quid pro quo as I saw it ....

Wether the growth will come quick enough to save a recession is uncertain...bloody well hope so ..."

Project Merlin was John Le Carre's codename for a huge scam (thanks to the Guardian for that).

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over a year ago

"We need to trim some fat in the public sector but the key to success will be growing ourselves out of this mess. Clearly nothing like enough is being done to address this fact.

Nothing AT ALL is being done to address the need for growth.

And you solution is?...the greedy bankers that you you support (at least their bail out) are just taking, not lending...just where is the growth coming from?"

I don't support bailing out the bankers at all but I'm all too aware of the need to bail out the banks.

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over a year ago

"The need fer growth is esential I agree...

Where its gona come from I dunno ...

Osborne seems to be aware of its importance, with the deal with the banks ....lend more to business in return fer your bonuses ..a quid pro quo as I saw it ....

Wether the growth will come quick enough to save a recession is uncertain...bloody well hope so ...

Project Merlin was John Le Carre's codename for a huge scam (thanks to the Guardian for that)."

Not the first clue what that means tbh....whats Project Merlin

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over a year ago

"The need fer growth is esential I agree...

Where its gona come from I dunno ...

Osborne seems to be aware of its importance, with the deal with the banks ....lend more to business in return fer your bonuses ..a quid pro quo as I saw it ....

Wether the growth will come quick enough to save a recession is uncertain...bloody well hope so ...

Project Merlin was John Le Carre's codename for a huge scam (thanks to the Guardian for that).

Not the first clue what that means tbh....whats Project Merlin

The 'arrangement' between Osborne and the banks.

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over a year ago

"We need to trim some fat in the public sector but the key to success will be growing ourselves out of this mess. Clearly nothing like enough is being done to address this fact.

Nothing AT ALL is being done to address the need for growth.

And you solution is?...the greedy bankers that you you support (at least their bail out) are just taking, not lending...just where is the growth coming from?

I don't support bailing out the bankers at all but I'm all too aware of the need to bail out the banks.

Bail out the banks and you bail out the bankers, simple as.

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over a year ago

"The need fer growth is esential I agree...

Where its gona come from I dunno ...

Osborne seems to be aware of its importance, with the deal with the banks ....lend more to business in return fer your bonuses ..a quid pro quo as I saw it ....

Wether the growth will come quick enough to save a recession is uncertain...bloody well hope so ...

Project Merlin was John Le Carre's codename for a huge scam (thanks to the Guardian for that).

Not the first clue what that means tbh....whats Project Merlin

The 'arrangement' between Osborne and the banks."

Ah ...I see..I`ll try and google later ...thanks..

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over a year ago

"The need fer growth is esential I agree...

Where its gona come from I dunno ...

Osborne seems to be aware of its importance, with the deal with the banks ....lend more to business in return fer your bonuses ..a quid pro quo as I saw it ....

Wether the growth will come quick enough to save a recession is uncertain...bloody well hope so ...

Project Merlin was John Le Carre's codename for a huge scam (thanks to the Guardian for that).

Not the first clue what that means tbh....whats Project Merlin

The 'arrangement' between Osborne and the banks.

Ah ...I see..I`ll try and google later ...thanks.."

Seems my instincts were correct then ...a monumental cock up ....jeez!!!!..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have, as yet, to hear any rational argumennt as to why we should not bankrupt some Banks.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Have, as yet, to hear any rational argumennt as to why we should not bankrupt some Banks."

Mortgages.....Savings.....Pension Funds....

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over a year ago

Bit hard fer my little head to get around ....

Do you mean let them go under ...wiping out their liabilities .....and then nationalising them ?..

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over a year ago

"Have, as yet, to hear any rational argumennt as to why we should not bankrupt some Banks."

Yer under no obligation to reply ...I wasn`t being confrontational or disengenious ...just curious!!!..

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over a year ago

"Bit hard fer my little head to get around ....

Do you mean let them go under ...wiping out their liabilities .....and then nationalising them ?.."

Wiping out their liabilities and then nationalising them...err, isn't that just what Brown did with Royal Bank of Scotland?

And now Hester wants to take a huge bonus payment!

The lunatics truly are in charge of the asylum.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

RBS wasn't actually Nationalised, the government (Ongoing governments) are simply shareholders.....all be it majority shareholders.

Incidentally the City view this as a great deal for the British public as the possible future sell off of RBS would dwarf the cost of the bail out considerably.

Brown was a shrewd Scotsman

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over a year ago

"Bit hard fer my little head to get around ....

Do you mean let them go under ...wiping out their liabilities .....and then nationalising them ?..

Wiping out their liabilities and then nationalising them...err, isn't that just what Brown did with Royal Bank of Scotland?

And now Hester wants to take a huge bonus payment!

The lunatics truly are in charge of the asylum."

I wish I could say I admire yer maturity ..But I`m finding it hard ..

Did you think about that response ?..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simply stating my opinion. A majority Government shareholding is now no longer nationalisation, fair enough.

I disagree.

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over a year ago

"Simply stating my opinion. A majority Government shareholding is now no longer nationalisation, fair enough.

I disagree."

I find yer opinion interesting!!

Its the way you broached it with me that fell flat ..

Anyhow ...sarcasm rarely offends me ...

Good luck with it and happy swinging ...

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over a year ago

"Simply stating my opinion. A majority Government shareholding is now no longer nationalisation, fair enough.

I disagree.

I find yer opinion interesting!!

Its the way you broached it with me that fell flat ..

Anyhow ...sarcasm rarely offends me ...

Good luck with it and happy swinging ...

More like political satire me thinks. Never my intention to be sarcastic.

Cheers x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Simply stating my opinion. A majority Government shareholding is now no longer nationalisation, fair enough.

I disagree.

I find yer opinion interesting!!

Its the way you broached it with me that fell flat ..

Anyhow ...sarcasm rarely offends me ...

Good luck with it and happy swinging ...

More like political satire me thinks. Never my intention to be sarcastic.

Cheers x

Fair enough x

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By *arahPCouple
over a year ago

Banbridge

"Have, as yet, to hear any rational argumennt as to why we should not bankrupt some Banks.

Mortgages.....Savings.....Pension Funds...."

There is no rational argument why we should print money to save big banks.

The Bank of International Settlements would agree with this, as would at least 30 of the worlds top economists. 3 Noble Prize winners in the list.

Like i said earlier, Iceland, who bucked the trend of saving big banks seem to be doing fine.

Jane, not really sure what you mean when you say:

Mortgages, Savings, Pension Funds....??

Savings, you are as of the 31st Dec covered for £85,000 in each separate UK authorised "institution".

Most savers would receive compensation within 20 days. Joint accounts would be covered for £170,000. Everyone with savings of over £85k should really be spreading the risk. There are enough non linked institutions to safely insure your cash.

Mortgages, your debt would still be owed to the bank if it failed. Not really sure what you mean on this 1?? If you mean lending? This is where free market competition comes into its own. As is happening anyway, smaller banks fill the void and we get a cheaper better service.

Pensions= Pension Protection Fund.

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over a year ago

".........

Like i said earlier, Iceland, who bucked the trend of saving big banks seem to be doing fine.

Jane..............

Back in 2008 the Iceland government took over control of the three main Icelandic banks and a wee while later asked the IMF for money to keep them going.

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over a year ago

"Have, as yet, to hear any rational argumennt as to why we should not bankrupt some Banks.

Mortgages.....Savings.....Pension Funds....

There is no rational argument why we should print money to save big banks.

The Bank of International Settlements would agree with this, as would at least 30 of the worlds top economists. 3 Noble Prize winners in the list.

Like i said earlier, Iceland, who bucked the trend of saving big banks seem to be doing fine.

Jane, not really sure what you mean when you say:

Mortgages, Savings, Pension Funds....??

Savings, you are as of the 31st Dec covered for £85,000 in each separate UK authorised "institution".

Pensions= Pension Protection Fund.

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I don't necessarily agree with all your points, some of which have the benefit of hindsight. The fact is prior to the credit crunch you were not covered for savings upto £85k. This along with other measures was introduced by labour to help reinstate stability and avoid panic.

The only reason Iceland didn't bail out it's bankng system at the time was because it simply did not have the funds or means. An emergency loan to Iceland from the UK to help safeguard UK nationals deposits in Icelandic banks and prop up their economy was defaulted on and only recently agreement was reached for it's repayment.

The fact is Brown, having seen what happened with Northern Rock and watched what happened with Leighman Brothers in the States, was faced with TWO major high street banks possibly not opening their doors within 72 hours.

Have you any idea of what that would actually have meant? Putting your card in the hole in the wall and it not working, wages going in one day and you not being able to touch them the following day. Anarchy.

Like him or hate him, Gordon Brown made an amazing decision at a terrible time and that is why he is recognised by many in the rest of the World as leading them out of the credit crunch. That is why he led the international summit that followed. The Tories at NO point went against the bail out decision at the time.

We really should not underestimate the mess or the vast amount of money we're talking about here, where do you think the funds insuring savings losses and pensions was going to come from if it had all collapsed. AIG one of the biggest insurers in the World had to be bailed and underwritten by the US taxpayer. As for smaller banks stepping into the void, that was not an option in the immediate aftermath of the crunch, the liquidity simply was not in the system.

The banks have got away with murder, but the govt of the day was in the 'damned if you do damned if you don't' camp.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

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All very intereting debates goin on here but hindsights great its just that it came and left a while back along with Mr Brown and Mr Banker putting us in deep doo doo and the tories relishing the mismanagement of Brown and his banker chums mishandling of the economy to slash and cut public services and tax us even more ,,,,,,,,so any actual ideas on cutting the deficit anyone ?????

yep we can blame the benefit culture the tories gift of a smokes creen rather than the real culprits the politicians and the bankers.. maybe best way to keep people of the dole is not put them there in the 1st place by employing people who actually know how to run an economy and know how to bank...there i go with another way to cut the deficit let em eat cake like the rest of us.

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

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instead of raising vat why did they not reduce it. Then that encourages people to spend there money they have under the bed. instead they raise everything and that is supposed to inspire confidence???

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

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oh yeah and I would take all the indicator bulbs out of all the taxis in the land and sell them all on ebay..........its not as if they use them is it?

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over a year ago

A wealth tax...

Figures ( this may be debateable, but not by much) suggest the richest 10% of the population, own 44% of Britains disclosed wealth...an estimated £44 trillion..

Imposing a 5% wealth tax, would wipe out the deficit completely with a handy £ 30 odd billion to invest in whatever...

The uber rich still have 95% of their wealth, and were all happy as larry Lol...

Vote fer change..ahem

...I know...I know ....but why not ?...

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over a year ago

"instead of raising vat why did they not reduce it. Then that encourages people to spend there money they have under the bed. instead they raise everything and that is supposed to inspire confidence??? "

VAT is a regressive tax in that it disproportionately hits people with less disposable income harder than it affects people with greater disposable.

Basic Tory "hammer the poor" stuff. Always has been, always will be.

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

warrington

Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?

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over a year ago

"Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?"

Bur a Millionaire buys more petrol for his big car ! more VAT on both products

and you can always get the bus!

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over a year ago

"Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?

Bur a Millionaire buys more petrol for his big car ! more VAT on both products

and you can always get the bus!"

1) It's the percentage of total disposable income we're talking about and

2) The liklihood is that the millionaire sets his "petrol for his big car" against business expenses and doesn't actually pay his fuel bill at all.

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By *ne Shot OP Man
over a year ago

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"Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?

Bur a Millionaire buys more petrol for his big car ! more VAT on both products

and you can always get the bus!

1) It's the percentage of total disposable income we're talking about and

2) The liklihood is that the millionaire sets his "petrol for his big car" against business expenses and doesn't actually pay his fuel bill at all. "

i think mr millionaire has himself pretty much covered through of shore tax havens. i dont see any politician making any claim to go after them. Whether we increase vat as the tories have done or even if its decreases i think it would not make even the tiniest of dents in cutting the deficit, thats just my opinion i think as a country were at the point where were struggling to even pay back the daily interest ...ive ordered a wheelbarrow.

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By *teborahCouple
over a year ago

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"Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?

Bur a Millionaire buys more petrol for his big car ! more VAT on both products

and you can always get the bus!"

You have completley missed my point. Also as I have a v8 BMW I reakon I spend as much as him on fuel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would round up all the sex meet site daytime users pull the plug on their Jeremy Kyle shows , empty their ash trays and make them work for free..... sorted

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over a year ago

"Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?"

You're both paying £1.30 for a litre of petrol. Neither is paying more than the other. It's simple maths really.

You can't expect someone who's made more of a success of their life than you have of yours to be penalised for it by paying more for the goods he buys than you do. How is that fair?

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"Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?

You're both paying £1.30 for a litre of petrol. Neither is paying more than the other. It's simple maths really.

You can't expect someone who's made more of a success of their life than you have of yours to be penalised for it by paying more for the goods he buys than you do. How is that fair?"

Agreed

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"Very true, if a millionaire paid £1.30 for a litre of petrol. then I paid £1.30 for the same stuff who is ultimatly paing the most?

You're both paying £1.30 for a litre of petrol. Neither is paying more than the other. It's simple maths really.

You can't expect someone who's made more of a success of their life than you have of yours to be penalised for it by paying more for the goods he buys than you do. How is that fair?

Agreed"

I've made it clear twice now we're talking about %age of disposable income.

Nobody, least of all me, is suggesting some people should pay more for the same product just because we have greater disposable income.

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over a year ago

David Cameron trying to salvage his Big Society writes in today's Guardian "So the big society doesn't apply to one area of policy, but many. For example, if neighbours want to take over the running of a post office, park or playground, we will help them. If a charity or a faith group want to set up a great new school in the state sector, we'll let them. And if someone wants to help out with children, we will sweep away the criminal record checks and health and safety laws that stop them."

Read that last sentence again. "And if someone wants to help out with children, we will sweep away the criminal record checks and health and safety laws that stop them."

That's right. No criminal record check for people who want to work with your kids

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over a year ago

Manchester

1/Remove all our forces from Afghanistan etc. (why are they there anyway to die to secure some land only to have to give it up next day because they do not have the resources from the mod to hold it!)

2/Reinstate vat to original level, to try to get people spending again.

3/Reduce Foreign aide donations, to what we can afford if we can afford to ?

4/Remove ourselved from the European constitution. In times like these i do not see how a federal Europe can work.

5/Empower the tax man to go after the fat cats with off shore accounts, make them pay there fair share.

6/Reduce considerably British mps wages and exspense allowances, As they have 6 months a year of only pay them for such on a performance related pay scheme As we are now governed by Europe British mps are basically redundant.

7/ extinguish all quangos

8/ regulate back the banking system, so when we get out of the current mess in 20 years or more they cant bankrupt us again.

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