FabSwingers.com forum: OPIATE Medication, what the doctors dont tell you

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Anyone on Opiate medication such as:

Co-Codamol

MST

OXY-norm

are you aware this causes low testosterone and in turn causes Osteoporosis / brittle bones

Seems it is very common for doctors not to tell you this when they prescribe opiate medications

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

You also fail the drug tests at work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You also fail the drug tests at work"

Not if its prescribed

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

SW1A1AA

I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well"
tramadol can give you wiered dreams x its also been reclassed as b

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"You also fail the drug tests at work

Not if its prescribed"

You still fail the test

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You also fail the drug tests at work

Not if its prescribed

You still fail the test"

you may fail test but these medications if prescribed are discounted, i work as crane driver and we are tested monthly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone on Opiate medication such as:

Co-Codamol

MST

OXY-norm

are you aware this causes low testosterone and in turn causes Osteoporosis / brittle bones

Seems it is very common for doctors not to tell you this when they prescribe opiate medications

I am sure that all possible side effects are listed on the leaflet enclosed with the prescribed medicine. That is legally required.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You also fail the drug tests at work

Not if its prescribed

You still fail the test

you may fail test but these medications if prescribed are discounted, i work as crane driver and we are tested monthly"

Thank you,an athlete can take prescribed meds for pain

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

When I've required opiate medication I haven't cared what the side effects are just as long as they stop the pain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well"

Tramadol? Pah! lol

On Tapentadol now.

Yes these things have nasty side effects.

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I've required opiate medication I haven't cared what the side effects are just as long as they stop the pain. "

Exactly this.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Nasty drugs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I've required opiate medication I haven't cared what the side effects are just as long as they stop the pain.

Exactly this.

Unfortunately sometimes they can't stop the pain. They just make me not care about it as much.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"When I've required opiate medication I haven't cared what the side effects are just as long as they stop the pain.

Exactly this.

Unfortunately sometimes they can't stop the pain. They just make me not care about it as much.

Yes when that happened to me I stopped taking them, I couldn't see the point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I've required opiate medication I haven't cared what the side effects are just as long as they stop the pain.

Exactly this.

Unfortunately sometimes they can't stop the pain. They just make me not care about it as much.

Awe, well that's something. I'm one of the lucky ones then and get a good result. Couldn't be mobile without them sometimes so I'm willing to deplete my gallons of testosterone!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

SW1A1AA

"I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well

Tramadol? Pah! lol

On Tapentadol now.

Yes these things have nasty side effects.

xxx "
sorry didn't realise it was a competition all I'm bothered about is getting rid of the pain and although I'm still in pain its taken the intensity off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well

Tramadol? Pah! lol

On Tapentadol now.

Yes these things have nasty side effects.

xxx sorry didn't realise it was a competition all I'm bothered about is getting rid of the pain and although I'm still in pain its taken the intensity off."

Please notice the wink!

As someone who is in pain every waking moment and will be for the rest of my life, I can sympathise with you. Normally I put up with the pain. That is until I can't stand it any more. Then the Tapentadol is used. If Trmadol helps, then try to stay with it. But I found bad side effects from it.

xxxx

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

SW1A1AA

"I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well

Tramadol? Pah! lol

On Tapentadol now.

Yes these things have nasty side effects.

xxx sorry didn't realise it was a competition all I'm bothered about is getting rid of the pain and although I'm still in pain its taken the intensity off.

Please notice the wink!

xxxx"
im only on it short term till my ribs start to mend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"im only on it short term till my ribs start to mend"

I take it you don't want tickling then?

xxx

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

SW1A1AA

"im only on it short term till my ribs start to mend

I take it you don't want tickling then?

xxx"
i want know one near me my partner tucked me in bed and i sent him home early and this is where im staying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"im only on it short term till my ribs start to mend

I take it you don't want tickling then?

xxxi want know one near me my partner tucked me in bed and i sent him home early and this is where im staying"

You have my sympathy. They hurt like hell!

I hope it heals soon.

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone on Opiate medication such as:

Co-Codamol

MST

OXY-norm

are you aware this causes low testosterone and in turn causes Osteoporosis / brittle bones

Seems it is very common for doctors not to tell you this when they prescribe opiate medications

When I was prescribed cocodamol there was a leaflet with the tablets detailing potential side effects. Is that not the case now?

All medication has potential side effects and complications, it's not possible for a GP to detail them all. But they will (or st least should) know the ones that are relevant from a patients history and discuss them

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By *iverscuMan
over a year ago

Berkshire

As far as im aware opiate medication doesn't actually reduce pain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As far as im aware opiate medication doesn't actually reduce pain?"

It works in a different way. Yes it can reduce pain, but (as in my case) if the pain is to great, then the brain just stops responding as much. It does suppress the breathing which is something you have to be careful of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I was prescribed cocodamol there was a leaflet with the tablets detailing potential side effects. Is that not the case now?

Yes but they do not say about all pos side effects especially long term ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As far as im aware opiate medication doesn't actually reduce pain?"
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I dunno ask a smack head!

The only thing you have to watch out for with long term use is it's addictive properties, so the original source of the pain can have cleared up but because it's so addictive the body then simulates the same pain to get the fix, it's why alot of stuff like codine and co-codomol is banned in alot of other countries!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A friend of mine was on tremadol for a few years due to chronic disease, he's now on methadone due to getting addicted to the pain relief

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately when you live with chronic pain and lifelong disease you have to weigh up the effects of any medication with the risk of possible side effects.

Trust me when you've been in as much pain as I have you'll be grateful for anything that gives you some temporary relief or takes the edge off the agony.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Unfortunately when you live with chronic pain and lifelong disease you have to weigh up the effects of any medication with the risk of possible side effects.

Trust me when you've been in as much pain as I have you'll be grateful for anything that gives you some temporary relief or takes the edge off the agony.

Mrs "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All medications have side effects... They are listed on the leaflet inside each pack..i dont understand this thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even Paracetamol synthesises as Morphine. If it's prescribed and you take it as directed you'll have no issues - as long as it's not a long-term thing. Painkillers are notoriously addictive and lobg-term use (as with ANY drug) has potential to cause problems. ALWAYS read the information on the label AND on any other paperwork that comes with it. That bit is largely your own responsibility as it's assumed in the first instance that you are of sufficient mental capacity to make those choices. Sorry if that sounds like a rant, or a lecture, (not intended to be) but that's how the legislation works. It's assumed you'll make a considered decision to understand the potential downside of what you take.

Happy swinging peeps!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well"

Apologies, just read this now, sorry for not replying.

It has now been found & proven that opiate medication over long term use reduces testosterone production and in turn low "free testosterone" prevents the bonding of protein's & calcium's to the bone, this in turn produces low bone density - osteoporosis.

Osteoporosis is known as the "invisible disease" as you don't know you have it until fractures are imminent. Bone density "DEXA" tests will confirm this, and its more prone in females 50+

anyone who has been on long term opiate use should mention/raise concern to their GP

500/30 Co=Codamol

MST 10mg /30mg / 60mg

Oramorph

Sevredol

OXY Norm (more pure factory made mst)

OXY Contin

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've been on CO codamol for years 500/30 and theyve never said anything to me.

What does tramadol come under as I'm on that now as well"

Tried to mail you private with full answer but im out with your age range, you don't accept

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you a doctor?

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

I've had opiate based pain killers in the past , made sure I took bare minimum as they are so addictive, never mind other side effects , my quack never warned me about anything , whenever I suffer now , I go to an osteopath and take no drugs , it works for me but it's expensive

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"You also fail the drug tests at work

Not if its prescribed

You still fail the test

you may fail test but these medications if prescribed are discounted, i work as crane driver and we are tested monthly

Thank you,an athlete can take prescribed meds for pain"
they can't take certain medications that enhance performance snooker players cannot take beta blockers and boxers cannot take pain killers. Certain occupations cannot take certain prescribed or non prescription drugs. The fail thresholds for rail workers for example are lower than for police officers

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Google 'side effects of opioids uk' it's all there and hardly a secret.

Did you read the insert that comes with the packet?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Anyone on Opiate medication such as:

Co-Codamol

MST

OXY-norm

are you aware this causes low testosterone and in turn causes Osteoporosis / brittle bones

Seems it is very common for doctors not to tell you this when they prescribe opiate medications

Is it mentioned in the leaflet that is always put in drugs boxes?!.....always read the label

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"You also fail the drug tests at work

Not if its prescribed

You still fail the test

you may fail test but these medications if prescribed are discounted, i work as crane driver and we are tested monthly

Thank you,an athlete can take prescribed meds for painthey can't take certain medications that enhance performance snooker players cannot take beta blockers and boxers cannot take pain killers. Certain occupations cannot take certain prescribed or non prescription drugs. The fail thresholds for rail workers for example are lower than for police officers "

My mums cousin had to stop swimming competitively because of the eye drops he used, not sure how they were performance enhancing though

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

Currently taking them for a badly broken bone (well for the post surgery that fixed it)- oh the irony of it causing weak bones..... Only got it for a few days though.

Anyway, never mind that side effect, they forgot to mention the constipation- after 4 days it felt like I'd just shit hell boys clenched fist!

- maybe I should have taken pain killers first?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I've required opiate medication I haven't cared what the side effects are just as long as they stop the pain. "

I could have not said it better myself.

Strong Opiate medication is not given out willy nilly. One considers the pain scale (all being subjective) but at the end of the say. You do not give someone IV Morphine when 30mg of Codeine will do.

As for the side effects....Then don't take over the counter Paracetamol!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

READ THE LABEL

some posters here have advised to read the label of these opiates I have listed, if the warning was on the label then there would be no need to post would there!!

There are a few pointers on some labels which if a doctor was aware of this in the first place he could add up;

such as;

*decreased sexual drive (more male than female)

*absence of menstrual periods

*unpleasant or uncomfortable mood (although your mood would be more passive / soft)

*Unusual muscle stiffness - (by this it means the feeling you get in muscles after hard workout but you haven't done a work out)

but as for the advice, read the label, you will find no mention of testosterone lowering or indeed osteoporosis within the label as this is a new side effect that is being reported more and being looked into

You will only have an indication by blood tests and even then the doctor has to know exactly what tests to request

you will also read on label (all labels) to report other side effects not listed, this allows drug companies to research and find further causes and side effects and helps others like myself carry out research

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is 'thought' that.. Chronic long term use.. Causes a drop in hormones which will reduce bone density which 'may' lead to osteoporosis........ If it was a proven side effect.. Even a rare one.. It would be on the leaflet... By law...

Many medications including some birth control pills 'may' have this same effect... That is tod to you by the prescriber and is on the leaflet.. By law...

You are not a doctor I'm guessing... And should not be giving medical advise to anyone..... Doctors do not hand out opiates willy nilly and short term use will have little to no effect on the body long term. When someone is taking opiates for long term chronic use the doctor will regularly do a medications review... And the relief from whatever chronic pain the person is suffering far out ways the side effects.. ..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is 'thought' that.. Chronic long term use.. Causes a drop in hormones which will reduce bone density which 'may' lead to osteoporosis........ If it was a proven side effect.. Even a rare one.. It would be on the leaflet... By law...

Many medications including some birth control pills 'may' have this same effect... That is tod to you by the prescriber and is on the leaflet.. By law...

Jesus Lady;

If you read I am simply pointing out facts

and have advised ASK/SPEAK to your doctor

this is a new thing that is being investigated with opiate use and research is ongoing

your choice to take this advice or not, but at the minimum, all you need to bloody do, is speak to your doctor and he will inform of what I have said in my 3 posts above

GP.s have a wide range of knowledge but not full indept knowledge and due to this will refer you to a Dr, Surgeon within a specific field or refer you for a DEXA scan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Many medications including some birth control pills 'may' have this same effect... That is tod to you by the prescriber and is on the leaflet.. By law...

Jesus Lady;

If you read I am simply pointing out facts

and have advised ASK/SPEAK to your doctor

this is a new thing that is being investigated with opiate use and research is ongoing

your choice to take this advice or not, but at the minimum, all you need to bloody do, is speak to your doctor and he will inform of what I have said in my 3 posts above

GP.s have a wide range of knowledge but not full indept knowledge and due to this will refer you to a Dr, Surgeon within a specific field or refer you for a DEXA scan"

I refer you to your original post... That TELLS people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Keep on hiding

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Anyone on Opiate medication such as:

Co-Codamol

MST

OXY-norm

are you aware this causes low testosterone and in turn causes Osteoporosis / brittle bones

Seems it is very common for doctors not to tell you this when they prescribe opiate medications

I think you need to say CAN or MAY cause above.

As someone else said it will tell you on leaflet.

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By *LFB.Woman
over a year ago

Farnborough.

Suffering with Sciatica at the moment and co-codamol are helping along with Naproxen, will think about the side effects later. We must all be aware of side affects but right this minute the pain out weighs them.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Pharmacists won't dispense medication without the information leaflet. The responsibility for detailing all possible side effects does not rest with a GP. I'd encourage every patient to always read drug information.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Keep on hiding"

This to me?

Hiding from what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get my medical advice from my GP...not FABs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I get my medical advice from my GP...not FABs.

which is good as long as you don't solely depend on your GP, GP's have a wide range knowledge but not an in-depth one, hense they will refer you to a specialist, lets hope the specialist has not just been put into the position as a newbe.

Actually it is up to every individual to look after their own health and if they have an illness they should fully research (if they have the qualified education)and then consult with the doctor & specialist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm surprised by the attitude "just read the leaflet." If you read the leaflets included with many medications you probably won't ever take any, such are the long list of potential side effects! Ultimately we trust the GPs and pharmacists to know how good and bad meds truly are and prescribe accordingly. This, of course, can lead to problems, such as dependency and unwanted side effects

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm surprised by the attitude "just read the leaflet." If you read the leaflets included with many medications you probably won't ever take any, such are the long list of potential side effects! Ultimately we trust the GPs and pharmacists to know how good and bad meds truly are and prescribe accordingly. This, of course, can lead to problems, such as dependency and unwanted side effects"

Well, it can only be a good thing to know of potential side effects. The leaflets are quite specific and state the percentage of people who suffer from specific side effects. Surely, you are not suggesting people should just bin the leaflets?

If 1 in 30 people have a particular side effect, that may well still be the right medicine for the GP to prescribe in the first instance. Only if the side effect is experienced can the GP then suggest an alternative. Being aware of potential side effects enables the patient to return to seek an alternative.

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