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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Demolition teams are due to return to the French port of Calais to dismantle more makeshift shelters in the migrant camp known as the "Jungle".

Overnight, riot police fired tear gas at migrants who were hurling stones at the demolition squads and Lorries traveling past

Those living in the camp, mainly from the Middle East, Afghanistan and Africa, hope to cross the Channel to the UK, often using people traffickers to try to enter illegally

French media say about 150 people, some wielding sticks and iron bars, walked on to the road to block vehicles and we can all see on the news this morning as the approach lorries and vehicles throwing stones and iron bars

These are not Asylum Seekers, these are simply scum that need deporting back to where they came from, they have no interest in seeking asylum on first port of call or first border or indeed France, and they want to illegally enter the UK.

I have absolutely no sympathy for them whilst they risk the lives of innocent lorry drivers and authorities, they need controlled with an iron fist

Another reason we need to get out of the EU, of course the PC brigade I am sure will all line up and welcome each and every one of them a room in there home

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover

I'm undecided on the EU issue but can't see what cal side has to do with it.

I agree that those in valise trying to enter the country illegally are the very last of those we should be helping as they are not (for the most part) not asylum seekers.

But as they are trying to get in illegally, what will being out of the do to change that?

What it will almost certainly do is remove our border control on the French side of the channel and encourage the French authorities to literally wave them through as quick as they can.

Then the first chance we get to stop them will be on UK soil and it's too late then, they are already here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What it will almost certainly do is remove our border control on the French side of the channel and encourage the French authorities to literally wave them through as quick as they can.

Then the first chance we get to stop them will be on UK soil and it's too late then, they are already here. "

You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU

Far too much scare mongering and far too many PC brigade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some of them look right hot n sexy, let them in and as a welcome free membership to fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What it will almost certainly do is remove our border control on the French side of the channel and encourage the French authorities to literally wave them through as quick as they can.

Then the first chance we get to stop them will be on UK soil and it's too late then, they are already here.

You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU

Far too much scare mongering and far too many PC brigade"

And how do we know the Brexit lot aren't using scaremonger tactics? How do we know coming out will stop the situation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Scum or just people out to get the best in life that they can ?

Maybe they can get asylum in the first country they enter. But maybe they want the best in life that they can achieve? Hardly a surprise.

And approximately 150 people causing the "trouble" is hardly a crisis in the grand scheme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your so keen, you take them in feed clothe them

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


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You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU"

I don't know that it will stay in place, and neither do you.

I can see no reason the French would want it to.

Can you (or anyone, I am undecided and open to persuasion) explain how leaving the EU will stop people in Calais trying to enter the country illegally?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your so keen, you take them in feed clothe them"

This does seem to be the new retort for the live and let die brigade. Probably the same people who drone on about Britain first then do nothing for fellow countrymen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Demolition teams are due to return to the French port of Calais to dismantle more makeshift shelters in the migrant camp known as the "Jungle".

Overnight, riot police fired tear gas at migrants who were hurling stones at the demolition squads and Lorries traveling past

Those living in the camp, mainly from the Middle East, Afghanistan and Africa, hope to cross the Channel to the UK, often using people traffickers to try to enter illegally

French media say about 150 people, some wielding sticks and iron bars, walked on to the road to block vehicles and we can all see on the news this morning as the approach lorries and vehicles throwing stones and iron bars

These are not Asylum Seekers, these are simply scum that need deporting back to where they came from, they have no interest in seeking asylum on first port of call or first border or indeed France, and they want to illegally enter the UK.

I have absolutely no sympathy for them whilst they risk the lives of innocent lorry drivers and authorities, they need controlled with an iron fist

Another reason we need to get out of the EU, of course the PC brigade I am sure will all line up and welcome each and every one of them a room in there home"
leaving the EU is not going to stop this, but the French, who have drafted in hundreds of riot police will NOT need to be deployed if we leave. The only thing will that will happen is that the jungle will move to Dover! They will be coming over in boats like they are in Greece - then what do we do? As NF said on Sunday we have to have strong government - so I suppose we shell them and sink their boats? As he knows only too well, he will never be in a position to make important decisions! The people of Thanet saw through him, lets hope the country can!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What it will almost certainly do is remove our border control on the French side of the channel and encourage the French authorities to literally wave them through as quick as they can.

Then the first chance we get to stop them will be on UK soil and it's too late then, they are already here.

You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU

Far too much scare mongering and far too many PC brigade"
we made an agreement to be in Europe, but we changed our minds, so why can't the French change theirs? If we can rip up an agreement why can't they? "PC" brigade - nothing to do with it! Suggest you read a little more"independent" material & not UKIP propaganda. For example did you know Nige has had over 2 million in expense's during his tenure as an MEP?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What it will almost certainly do is remove our border control on the French side of the channel and encourage the French authorities to literally wave them through as quick as they can.

Then the first chance we get to stop them will be on UK soil and it's too late then, they are already here.

You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU

Far too much scare mongering and far too many PC brigade"

Does anyone recall what happened with the treaty of Versailles?

Treaty's can be broken we see that often.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What it will almost certainly do is remove our border control on the French side of the channel and encourage the French authorities to literally wave them through as quick as they can.

Then the first chance we get to stop them will be on UK soil and it's too late then, they are already here.

You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU

Far too much scare mongering and far too many PC brigade

Does anyone recall what happened with the treaty of Versailles?

Treaty's can be broken we see that often. "
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That's an in interesting point, you didn't quite point out why the treaty of Versailles was broken though?.

Some treaties are too punitive to the other side, to a point that they are forced to break it and it's not willingly broken

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What it will almost certainly do is remove our border control on the French side of the channel and encourage the French authorities to literally wave them through as quick as they can.

Then the first chance we get to stop them will be on UK soil and it's too late then, they are already here.

You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU

Far too much scare mongering and far too many PC brigade

Does anyone recall what happened with the treaty of Versailles?

Treaty's can be broken we see that often. .

That's an in interesting point, you didn't quite point out why the treaty of Versailles was broken though?.

Some treaties are too punitive to the other side, to a point that they are forced to break it and it's not willingly broken"

Well yes true (I used it as its a well known treaty)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole EU debate is really about the free movement of people to the point where the existing citizens and government have absolutely no control of numbers!.

I mean the pro side love to talk about the no sides "what ifs" and leaps into the unknown but

In a finite country of size with finite resources what happens if all 70 million Turks when they get visa rights decide to travel to Germany, how does that work, what if all the Romanians and Hungarians decide the UK is for them?.... You want a leap into the unknown, try freedom of movement, I didn't see them declaring this big mystery then... Oh we expect 60,000 maybe.. Try 4 million now it's like 7 million extra and were yet to see the full fold increase from Romania and Hungary yet and that's before we talk 70 million Turks...

That's a great big leap into the unknown, because traditionally countries managed there infrastructure and services on stuff like census and birth rate policy!.

Now every other day you'll hear stories about no school places, hospitals full, roads blocked with traffic, energy generation crises, lack of police, lack of mental health care.... These aren't all related to cut backs due to the UK having finite resources... There linked to unexpected and unknown increases in population...

So yes the no camp is full of guess work with outcomes but so is the yes camp, the Tories nor the labour party before cannot for the life of them bring down immigration figures despite promising and trying really fucking hard... Every month they go up and nobody knows when it will stop?.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

another crisis, ye gods they're like look at my cock threads theses days..

Op, scum is a rather sad phrase for what is a minority who should be dealt with under the laws of the French judicial system..

maybe then they may stop acting in such a way..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves. "


"Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves. "

I label SCUM as people who throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorry drivers just trying to do there job, you saw it on the news this morning, you will see it again at 6pm tonight if you were still in your bed this morning,

They deserve to be deported and locked up in there own country, lets hope none of the lorry drivers were injured due to the rocks and iron bars being thrown

You Tina T may think it is okay for them to throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorries I do not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves.

Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves.

I label SCUM as people who throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorry drivers just trying to do there job, you saw it on the news this morning, you will see it again at 6pm tonight if you were still in your bed this morning,

They deserve to be deported and locked up in there own country, lets hope none of the lorry drivers were injured due to the rocks and iron bars being thrown

You Tina T may think it is okay for them to throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorries I do not"

When you treat people like animals they begin to behave like animals.

We were lucky by birth. Lucky that we were born here and not somewhere else.

The scum you refer to are people. People who've watched their families blown apart by bombs. Watched their children die from the chemical weapons their own government used against them because they had the audacity to speak out against the government.

Those scrum are fathers, mothers, daughters and sons who have no home, no food, no hope and we in the uk offer that hope.

The real problem we face in he world today is to dehumanise people. These are people who want to work and look for hope.

There are doctors, engineers, vets, builders and many more over qualified people who were caught up in a war that they had no choice in.

I'd give 10 chavs for 1 of them any day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple
over a year ago

Andover


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK"

That's a very good point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK"

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?"

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves.

Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves.

I label SCUM as people who throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorry drivers just trying to do there job, you saw it on the news this morning, you will see it again at 6pm tonight if you were still in your bed this morning,

They deserve to be deported and locked up in there own country, lets hope none of the lorry drivers were injured due to the rocks and iron bars being thrown

You Tina T may think it is okay for them to throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorries I do not

When you treat people like animals they begin to behave like animals.

We were lucky by birth. Lucky that we were born here and not somewhere else.

The scum you refer to are people. People who've watched their families blown apart by bombs. Watched their children die from the chemical weapons their own government used against them because they had the audacity to speak out against the government.

Those scrum are fathers, mothers, daughters and sons who have no home, no food, no hope and we in the uk offer that hope.

The real problem we face in he world today is to dehumanise people. These are people who want to work and look for hope.

There are doctors, engineers, vets, builders and many more over qualified people who were caught up in a war that they had no choice in.

I'd give 10 chavs for 1 of them any day.

"
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You gave such an eloquent speech about dehumanising people and then you added the throw away remark of 10 chavs for one of them, actually your no less bigoted than the other guy, it's just your preferred choice is Syrians?.. Although I'd probably add there's very few Syrians at Calais

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't say my preferred choice was Syrians.

I care little about the country someone was born. Rather their attitude to life and if they are looking to make a contribution to a decent society.

I don't think having a dislike of chavs is dehumanising them in anyway. Just my preference based on experience. I don't think I've deprived them of human qualities. Just that my preference would be someone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off. "

But like the agreement that's already there, people still enter into France to get to the UK… I'm asking because I genuinely want to know how us coming out the EU would stop this happening?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off. "

It's not an EU migration crisis; it's a middle eastern migration crisis, that happens to come through Europe. ( to UK)

In or out of the EU, they will still aim for UK.

Of course, if the UK were to tighten up their residence laws, and benefit laws, to the same levels as the European (EU) laws, then UK would be slightly less attractive. Most other EU countries follow EU guidelines on residence and benefit, so it is much more difficult to obtain permanent residence there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off. "
a lot of assumptions here. There is an agreement in place with the UK/France now but, if we leave will it remain and why should it? We changed our minds why shouldn't the French? As stated migrants from Syria, Iraq & other parts of the world arrive. They arrived somewhere in Europe but finished up in Calais! The French don't make it easy for foreigners - you speak in French - most speak English so maybe that is a reason for heading to the UK? To be honest the French public don't really care if the UK stay in or out. You just got to see the vehicles at the ports traveling to UK - mainly English returning not masses of European's visiting. Trade is what its all about. France exports only 4.5% of its GDP, Germany 9.7% insignificant numbers. If London loses it's market importance in services & banking (78%) of our GDP both Paris & Frankfurt will be delighted. Its all about risk, and what level your comfortable with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off.

But like the agreement that's already there, people still enter into France to get to the UK… I'm asking because I genuinely want to know how us coming out the EU would stop this happening?"

Moving out of the EU would reduce migration within the EU as the right to free movement would cease.

It would let stop migration altogether. In all of this we need to consider the expats abroad. What will happen to them.

In principle I think the EU is a good idea however think powers are Over reaching.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off.

But like the agreement that's already there, people still enter into France to get to the UK… I'm asking because I genuinely want to know how us coming out the EU would stop this happening?

Moving out of the EU would reduce migration within the EU as the right to free movement would cease.

It would let stop migration altogether. In all of this we need to consider the expats abroad. What will happen to them.

In principle I think the EU is a good idea however think powers are Over reaching.

"

I don't think the EU is the issue with the immigration, most of the issue is we make it far to easy for people to come and claim here. Very few that could me here are fleeing of political asylum and those that do seldom return, some because they have built a life by working hard and some because they have everything given free.

As someone else said we need to make it tougher and less attractive to be in the emigrate to the UK unless you're willing to contribute

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wouldn't say my preferred choice was Syrians.

I care little about the country someone was born. Rather their attitude to life and if they are looking to make a contribution to a decent society.

I don't think having a dislike of chavs is dehumanising them in anyway. Just my preference based on experience. I don't think I've deprived them of human qualities. Just that my preference would be someone else.

"

never once have you mentioned the lorry drivers who are getting stones and iron bars thrown at them, I take it you consider that is okay, perhaps if a chav throws a brick at your windscreen you will also think that is okay

People should abide by the law regardless of circumstances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off. a lot of assumptions here. There is an agreement in place with the UK/France now but, if we leave will it remain and why should it? We changed our minds why shouldn't the French? As stated migrants from Syria, Iraq & other parts of the world arrive. They arrived somewhere in Europe but finished up in Calais! The French don't make it easy for foreigners - you speak in French - most speak English so maybe that is a reason for heading to the UK? To be honest the French public don't really care if the UK stay in or out. You just got to see the vehicles at the ports traveling to UK - mainly English returning not masses of European's visiting. Trade is what its all about. France exports only 4.5% of its GDP, Germany 9.7% insignificant numbers. If London loses it's market importance in services & banking (78%) of our GDP both Paris & Frankfurt will be delighted. Its all about risk, and what level your comfortable with. "
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There's lots of assumptions there too, there's as many African countries that speak French than English, many Afghans can't even write in their own language let alone speak English!. London is the financial capital of the world because it's the most bent, it's got nothing to do with being in Europe.

Of course none of this matters to me... What I want is an answer on how many people are going to come here in let's say ten years time?.

Is it 5 million more 10,20!!

It's no good telling me how much better off I'll be without also giving me an idea of how cramped and crap services will get!

Let's say population goes up by ten million in ten years(that's factoring in Turkey entering)

How much will that cost in terms of new schools, new roads, new power stations, new hospitals, what effect will that do to housing, countryside, national parks, food requirements?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it my imagination or is this thread a in alright jack thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off. a lot of assumptions here. There is an agreement in place with the UK/France now but, if we leave will it remain and why should it? We changed our minds why shouldn't the French? As stated migrants from Syria, Iraq & other parts of the world arrive. They arrived somewhere in Europe but finished up in Calais! The French don't make it easy for foreigners - you speak in French - most speak English so maybe that is a reason for heading to the UK? To be honest the French public don't really care if the UK stay in or out. You just got to see the vehicles at the ports traveling to UK - mainly English returning not masses of European's visiting. Trade is what its all about. France exports only 4.5% of its GDP, Germany 9.7% insignificant numbers. If London loses it's market importance in services & banking (78%) of our GDP both Paris & Frankfurt will be delighted. Its all about risk, and what level your comfortable with. .

There's lots of assumptions there too, there's as many African countries that speak French than English, many Afghans can't even write in their own language let alone speak English!. London is the financial capital of the world because it's the most bent, it's got nothing to do with being in Europe.

Of course none of this matters to me... What I want is an answer on how many people are going to come here in let's say ten years time?.

Is it 5 million more 10,20!!

It's no good telling me how much better off I'll be without also giving me an idea of how cramped and crap services will get!

Let's say population goes up by ten million in ten years(that's factoring in Turkey entering)

How much will that cost in terms of new schools, new roads, new power stations, new hospitals, what effect will that do to housing, countryside, national parks, food requirements?.

"

I've been thinking the same...every public service you hear about seems to be at breaking point now...god knows how it will be in 5...10 years time.

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over a year ago


"Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves.

Anyone who feels the need to label people as scum probably a bit rum themselves.

I label SCUM as people who throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorry drivers just trying to do there job, you saw it on the news this morning, you will see it again at 6pm tonight if you were still in your bed this morning,

They deserve to be deported and locked up in there own country, lets hope none of the lorry drivers were injured due to the rocks and iron bars being thrown

You Tina T may think it is okay for them to throw rocks and iron bars at passing lorries I do not

When you treat people like animals they begin to behave like animals.

We were lucky by birth. Lucky that we were born here and not somewhere else.

The scum you refer to are people. People who've watched their families blown apart by bombs. Watched their children die from the chemical weapons their own government used against them because they had the audacity to speak out against the government.

Those scrum are fathers, mothers, daughters and sons who have no home, no food, no hope and we in the uk offer that hope.

The real problem we face in he world today is to dehumanise people. These are people who want to work and look for hope.

There are doctors, engineers, vets, builders and many more over qualified people who were caught up in a war that they had no choice in.

I'd give 10 chavs for 1 of them any day.

.

You gave such an eloquent speech about dehumanising people and then you added the throw away remark of 10 chavs for one of them, actually your no less bigoted than the other guy, it's just your preferred choice is Syrians?.. Although I'd probably add there's very few Syrians at Calais"

Hmmm. ..exactly what I thought. ..He had to spoil it at the end...Chavs (how I hate that word ) are human beings too !

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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby


"

You see, that is one of David Cameron's first scare stories, this agreement was made with France a long time ago and will remain whether we are in or out of the EU

I don't know that it will stay in place, and neither do you.

I can see no reason the French would want it to. "

It's not an agreement, it's a treaty... the Treaty of Ke Touquet of 2003.

And, just like the 'treaty' that Mr Cameron agreed with the EU recently, it is lodged at the UN, and is legally binding, so the French have no choice but to stick to it....

Or are you saying that a treaty can be reneged on? In which case, Mr Cameron's victorious renegotiation of our membership in the EU is meaningless...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can only really speak on the case of EU nationals and people "flooding " the system. Eu nationals retain their rights here as workers. So all this coming over here and getting our benfits is not true. Eu nationals new to the UK get JSA for 3 months. If they don't find a job that's it. Most have no access to housing related benefits. I believe the rules on EU nationals are pretty tight and we don't need to leave the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off. a lot of assumptions here. There is an agreement in place with the UK/France now but, if we leave will it remain and why should it? We changed our minds why shouldn't the French? As stated migrants from Syria, Iraq & other parts of the world arrive. They arrived somewhere in Europe but finished up in Calais! The French don't make it easy for foreigners - you speak in French - most speak English so maybe that is a reason for heading to the UK? To be honest the French public don't really care if the UK stay in or out. You just got to see the vehicles at the ports traveling to UK - mainly English returning not masses of European's visiting. Trade is what its all about. France exports only 4.5% of its GDP, Germany 9.7% insignificant numbers. If London loses it's market importance in services & banking (78%) of our GDP both Paris & Frankfurt will be delighted. Its all about risk, and what level your comfortable with. .

There's lots of assumptions there too, there's as many African countries that speak French than English, many Afghans can't even write in their own language let alone speak English!. London is the financial capital of the world because it's the most bent, it's got nothing to do with being in Europe.

Of course none of this matters to me... What I want is an answer on how many people are going to come here in let's say ten years time?.

Is it 5 million more 10,20!!

It's no good telling me how much better off I'll be without also giving me an idea of how cramped and crap services will get!

Let's say population goes up by ten million in ten years(that's factoring in Turkey entering)

How much will that cost in terms of new schools, new roads, new power stations, new hospitals, what effect will that do to housing, countryside, national parks, food requirements?.

I've been thinking the same...every public service you hear about seems to be at breaking point now...god knows how it will be in 5...10 years time."
those cuts really have very little to do with EU nationals. The Tories just don't care about services for mental health ...etc there target audience doesn't care about those services.

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By *djenny1991TV/TS
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

typical tory BASTARDS blame the refugees (Who are only refugees because WE bombed their countries) for the state of services that David Cameron and Tory-pretending-to-be-labour Blair have butchered mercilessly.

Under this government more of the NHS, more of the police and more of the public sector have been cut than under thatcher, and everyone knows how fucking bad for the country thatcher was. (if you dont, i suggest you get out from under a rock and study how far austerity politics has set back our economy, which was recovering until Osbourne got hold of it)

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Calais won't be affected by the backing out of the EU. that's a French/ British agreement.

France have a vested interest in that border being tight.

If they don't keep up the border control there will only be more migrants moving through and probably being stuck in France in their hope to get to the UK

I'd hope this is the case but I'd also like to see some sort of agreement that this would be the case if we do come out of the EU. As it stands there's still many people coming into France to get to the UK so what would actually change this? France come out the EU too?

The agreement is already in place and has been for years.

Imagine. They remove the border and they attempt to get through the tunnels. The tunnels would be locked and passage between the UK and France stops.

France do not want more people coming through. It causes them enough problems as is.

If that border is removed and it is easier then more will come and France will have to deal with all those migrants but on a much larger scale.

The challenges faced there will already put some off. a lot of assumptions here. There is an agreement in place with the UK/France now but, if we leave will it remain and why should it? We changed our minds why shouldn't the French? As stated migrants from Syria, Iraq & other parts of the world arrive. They arrived somewhere in Europe but finished up in Calais! The French don't make it easy for foreigners - you speak in French - most speak English so maybe that is a reason for heading to the UK? To be honest the French public don't really care if the UK stay in or out. You just got to see the vehicles at the ports traveling to UK - mainly English returning not masses of European's visiting. Trade is what its all about. France exports only 4.5% of its GDP, Germany 9.7% insignificant numbers. If London loses it's market importance in services & banking (78%) of our GDP both Paris & Frankfurt will be delighted. Its all about risk, and what level your comfortable with. .

There's lots of assumptions there too, there's as many African countries that speak French than English, many Afghans can't even write in their own language let alone speak English!. London is the financial capital of the world because it's the most bent, it's got nothing to do with being in Europe.

Of course none of this matters to me... What I want is an answer on how many people are going to come here in let's say ten years time?.

Is it 5 million more 10,20!!

It's no good telling me how much better off I'll be without also giving me an idea of how cramped and crap services will get!

Let's say population goes up by ten million in ten years(that's factoring in Turkey entering)

How much will that cost in terms of new schools, new roads, new power stations, new hospitals, what effect will that do to housing, countryside, national parks, food requirements?.

I've been thinking the same...every public service you hear about seems to be at breaking point now...god knows how it will be in 5...10 years time."

It was reported on the news today that 1 in 4 children now cannot get their first choice in school places, or parents cannot get their first choice of school for their kids. This is happening NOW TODAY while we are members of the EU. We now have net immigration figures of 350,000 per year, every year and that figure will only increase if we remain a member of the EU. Reason why is the EU free movement of people so we cannot control the number of EU migrants coming here and once the minimum wage goes upto the living wage the draw and incentive for EU migrants to come here will increase so the total number coming will increase. Only way to regain control of our borders is to leave the EU.

We just don't have the infrastructure, schools, hospitals, GP surgeries, roads, housing, etc to keep having 350,000 people (and rising) every year into our country. We are already trying to play catch up with infrastructure as it is!

This is just basic logic, we have limited space with limited resources.

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By *djenny1991TV/TS
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

what's the difference between an economic migrant and a refugee when they both come from syria because we bombed them though?

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By *djenny1991TV/TS
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

also only 1% of britain's total available land is developed, and leaving the EU won't help us gain the infrastructure you claim is failing because of migrants when really it's failing because of tory cuts and class warfare - uh - I mean "gentrification"

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Belfast

Many of these people harbour deeply ingrained cultural issues that contributed to the unfortunate state of affairs in their respective homelands, state handouts and a change of setting will not remedy that.

I agree developed nations should asist in the short term but ultimately they need to formulate there own solutions and reforms. Western meddling within these regions is infantalising and will only serve to create a nation of dependants, not equals.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Many of these people harbour deeply ingrained cultural issues that contributed to the unfortunate state of affairs in their respective homelands, state handouts and a change of setting will not remedy that.

I agree developed nations should asist in the short term but ultimately they need to formulate there own solutions and reforms. Western meddling within these regions is infantalising and will only serve to create a nation of dependants, not equals."

Like W Germany or Japan, post WWII?

Different circumstances, granted, and the West had something to prove but they serve as models of how 'meddling' in a country can benefit it.

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over a year ago


"what's the difference between an economic migrant and a refugee when they both come from syria because we bombed them though? "

As a refugee I'd stay put in the first safe country I got to rather than track across Europe and live in "the jungle" in Calais. But that's just me.

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Belfast


"Many of these people harbour deeply ingrained cultural issues that contributed to the unfortunate state of affairs in their respective homelands, state handouts and a change of setting will not remedy that.

I agree developed nations should asist in the short term but ultimately they need to formulate there own solutions and reforms. Western meddling within these regions is infantalising and will only serve to create a nation of dependants, not equals.

Like W Germany or Japan, post WWII?

Different circumstances, granted, and the West had something to prove but they serve as models of how 'meddling' in a country can benefit it. "

Seems the meddling is not done for the purposes of securing stability and prosperity for the particular country's inhabitants, dirty backroom deal by oligarchs to secure certain interests.

Western intervention in the middle East seems to have created one disaster after another. There's no obvious easily implemented solution it's definitely time for a new tact/approach, however.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Many of these people harbour deeply ingrained cultural issues that contributed to the unfortunate state of affairs in their respective homelands, state handouts and a change of setting will not remedy that.

I agree developed nations should asist in the short term but ultimately they need to formulate there own solutions and reforms. Western meddling within these regions is infantalising and will only serve to create a nation of dependants, not equals.

Like W Germany or Japan, post WWII?

Different circumstances, granted, and the West had something to prove but they serve as models of how 'meddling' in a country can benefit it.

Seems the meddling is not done for the purposes of securing stability and prosperity for the particular country's inhabitants, dirty backroom deal by oligarchs to secure certain interests.

Western intervention in the middle East seems to have created one disaster after another. There's no obvious easily implemented solution it's definitely time for a new tact/approach, however."

Is what I'm (unrealistically) suggesting:

A new Marshall Plan.

If you want to stem the flow of migrants/refugees you need to create the type of prosperous society that would make people want to stay.

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Belfast

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Belfast


"Many of these people harbour deeply ingrained cultural issues that contributed to the unfortunate state of affairs in their respective homelands, state handouts and a change of setting will not remedy that.

I agree developed nations should asist in the short term but ultimately they need to formulate there own solutions and reforms. Western meddling within these regions is infantalising and will only serve to create a nation of dependants, not equals.

Like W Germany or Japan, post WWII?

Different circumstances, granted, and the West had something to prove but they serve as models of how 'meddling' in a country can benefit it.

Seems the meddling is not done for the purposes of securing stability and prosperity for the particular country's inhabitants, dirty backroom deal by oligarchs to secure certain interests.

Western intervention in the middle East seems to have created one disaster after another. There's no obvious easily implemented solution it's definitely time for a new tact/approach, however.

Is what I'm (unrealistically) suggesting:

A new Marshall Plan.

If you want to stem the flow of migrants/refugees you need to create the type of prosperous society that would make people want to stay. "

Me views regarding the middle East and the devastions clumsy Western meddling has reeked so far..

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

They unfortunately will probably have to suffer and die for lasting change, stability and prosperity ; consequently through doing so realise the value of a free, open and democratic society with a statehood unaffiliated with organised religion.

They cannot grasp those concepts and have any real reverence for them without enduring the associated hardships and personal sacrifices.

Ordinary European peoples were not handed rights or freedoms, they had to fight and die for them at every turn.

These people will have to do the same. Unfortunately a to shape there own stability and futures.

These people need to make change within their own homelands and cultures.. Moving to Europe will not solve anything or help them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"what's the difference between an economic migrant and a refugee when they both come from syria because we bombed them though?

As a refugee I'd stay put in the first safe country I got to rather than track across Europe and live in "the jungle" in Calais. But that's just me. "

Yes but they are not Refugees, they are migrants and they are not from Syria

switch on the news or go to the BBC website and you will see that

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell


"also only 1% of britain's total available land is developed, and leaving the EU won't help us gain the infrastructure you claim is failing because of migrants when really it's failing because of tory cuts and class warfare - uh - I mean "gentrification" "

Do the math on population density. Excluding principalities (Monoco for instance), England (not the UK) is the 2nd most densely populated country in europe (after holland). Not many migrants go to live in the highlands of scotland it would appear.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

How come these countries listed are not in the EU but seem to hold their own, and yet the UK, which is far better than most listed here will not be able to prosper outside the EU

these below are not in EU

AFGHANISTAN

ALBANIA

ALGERIA

AMERICAN SAMOA

ANDORRA

ANGOLA

ANGUILLA

ANTARCTICA

ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA

ARGENTINA

ARMENIA

ARUBA

AUSTRALIA

AZERBAIJAN

BAHAMAS

BAHRAIN

BANGLADESH

BARBADOS

BELARUS

BELIZE

BENIN

BERMUDA

BHUTAN

BOLIVIA

BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA

BOTSWANA

BOUVET ISLAND

BRAZIL

BRITISH INDIAN OCEAN TERRITORY

BRUNEI DARUSSALAM

BURKINA FASO

BURUNDI

CAMBODIA

CAMEROON

CANADA

CAPE VERDE

CAYMAN ISLANDS

CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC

CEUTA

CHAD

LATIN AMERICA

CHINA

CHRISTMAS ISLAND

COCOS (KEELING) ISLANDS

COLOMBIA

COMOROS

CONGO

COOK ISLANDS

COSTA RICA

COTE D'IVOIRE

CUBA

DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO

DJIBOUTI

DOMINICA

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

ECUADOR

EGYPT

EL SALVADOR

EQUATORIAL GUINEA

ERITREA

ETHIOPIA

FALKLAND ISLANDS

FAROE ISLANDS

FIJI

FRENCH POLYNESIA

FRENCH SOUTHERN AND ANTARCTIC LANDS

GABON

GAMBIA

GEORGIA

GHANA

GIBRALTAR

GREENLAND

GRENADA

GUAM

GUATEMALA

GUINEA

GUINEA-BISSAU

GUYANA

HAITI

HEARD AND MC DONALD ISLANDS

HONDURAS

HONG KONG

ICELAND

INDIA

INDONESIA

IRAN

IRAQ

ISRAEL

JAMAICA

JAPAN

JORDAN

KAZAKHSTAN

KENYA

KIRIBATI

KOREA, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF (NORTH)

KOREA, REPUBLIC OF (SOUTH)

KOSOVO*

KUWAIT

KYRGYZSTAN

LAOS

LEBANON

LESOTHO

LIBERIA

LIBYA

LIECHTENSTEIN

MACAU

MACEDONIA (THE FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF)

MADAGASCAR

MALAWI

MALAYSIA

MALDIVES

MALI

MARSHALL ISLANDS (THE REPUBLIC OF)

MAURITANIA

MAURITIUS

MELILLA

CEUTA AND MELILLA

MEXICO

LATIN AMERICA

MICRONESIA (FEDERATED STATES OF)

MOLDOVA (THE REPUBLIC OF)

MONGOLIA

MONTENEGRO

MONTSERRAT

MOROCCO

MOZAMBIQUE

MYANMAR

NAMIBIA

NAURU

NEPAL

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

NEW CALEDONIA

NEW ZEALAND

NICARAGUA

NIGER

NIGERIA

NIUE

NORFOLK ISLAND

NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS

NORWAY

PALESTINE**

OMAN

PAKISTAN

PALAU

PANAMA

PAPUA NEW GUINEA

PARAGUAY

PERU

PHILIPPINES

PITCAIRN ISLANDS

QATAR

RUSSIAN FEDERATION

RWANDA

SAINT BARTHELEMY

SAINT HELENA (INCL ASCENSION ISLAND AND TRISTAN DE CUNHA)

SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS

SAINT LUCIA

SAINT PIERRE AND MIQUELON

SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES

SAMOA

SAN MARINO

SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE

SAUDI ARABIA

SENEGAL

SERBIA

SEYCHELLES

SIERRA LEONE

SINGAPORE

SOLOMON ISLANDS

SOMALIA

SOUTH AFRICA

SOUTH AFRICA

SOUTH GEORGIA AND THE SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS

SOUTH SUDAN

SRI LANKA

SUDAN

SURINAME

SWAZILAND

SWITZERLAND

SYRIA

TAIWAN

TAJIKISTAN

TANZANIA

THAILAND

TIMOR LESTE

TOGO

TOKELAU

TONGA

TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO

TUNISIA

TURKEY

TURKMENISTAN

TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS

TUVALU

UGANDA

UKRAINE

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES

UNITED STATES

UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS

URUGUAY

UZBEKISTAN

VANUATU

VATICAN CITY STATE (HOLY SEE)

VENEZUELA

VIETNAM

VIRGIN ISLANDS (BRITISH)

VIRGIN ISLANDS (U.S.)

WALLIS AND FUTUNA ISLANDS

YEMEN

ZAMBIA

ZIMBABWE

spot the ones I have missed, two very obvious ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what's the difference between an economic migrant and a refugee when they both come from syria because we bombed them though?

As a refugee I'd stay put in the first safe country I got to rather than track across Europe and live in "the jungle" in Calais. But that's just me. "
it's easy to say that they should stay in the first safe port and seek asylum..in all of this I hear no one mention the Greek. Is it fair on them if all these migrants settled and seek asylum in there country seeing that Greece never went into Iraq ,Afghanistan and didn't bomb Syria?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

it's easy to say that they should stay in the first safe port and seek asylum..in all of this I hear no one mention the Greek. Is it fair on them if all these migrants settled and seek asylum in there country seeing that Greece never went into Iraq ,Afghanistan and didn't bomb Syria?"

how can they seek Asylum when they are NOT refugees

please reply

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure any serian would be classed as a refugee at the moment people can label them however they feel but the facts are before both invasions there was no mass migration no people turning up to Greece by boat

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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago

denton

i always thought it was first safe country, but all these people who are so concerned about them why dont let them use any spare bedrooms in their houses, or if they have big garden pitch a few tents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not read it all as a lot to read so not sure if mentioned but one way leaving the EU will potentially effect our borders is simply in regards to human rights. Once out of Brussels we will have the right, as a nation, to ammend our human rights.

This means deporting people will be easier. Laws can be made to stop people more easily with no intersection from the European Court.

Now I will admit I am anti EU however it has nothing to do with migrants but simply Brussels and the way Europe slowly seems to be turning into the United States of Europe. I would prefer to be a sovereign nation who is also a member of the EEC as we originally joined.

Though saying that the CAP has been a disgrace since day one with French farmers milking, literally so maybe not haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's British beef for me,

It's British beef for me,

Either on or off the bone,

Its British beef for me,

You can stuff your Christmas turkey, you can stuff your EEC,

I don't give a fig for a Danish pig,

It's British beef for me!

Look upon the French man, tell me what you see,

French farmers don't milk cows, they milk the EEC,

Living off their subsidies, paid more for growing less,

Opposing trade on British beef , what a fucking mess, oh

It's British beef for me,

It's British beef for me,

Either on or off the bone,

Its British beef for me,

You can stuff your Christmas turkey, you can stuff your EEC,

I don't give a fig for a Danish pig,

It's British beef for me!

The flag that flies in Europeis blue with lots of stars, they oghta hang it in the loo for you to wipe your arse,

Next time your in Brussels, you can tell your MEP,

Stuff your common market, it's British beef for me!

(Not writing the entire lyrics down sorry but link to the song below)

https://youtu.be/oUPYi_Pj5Yo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are no refugees in France. Their are only economic migrants who want to use our welfare state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i always thought it was first safe country, but all these people who are so concerned about them why dont let them use any spare bedrooms in their houses, or if they have big garden pitch a few tents"

So are you saying the middle East is not a world crisis and Western nations have nothing to do with it?

And also if Greece is their first port of call, then tough titties it's over to them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There are no refugees in France. Their are only economic migrants who want to use our welfare state."

EXACTLY

nice to see someone actually watches the news and does research

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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago

Driffield


"There are no refugees in France. Their are only economic migrants who want to use our welfare state.

EXACTLY

nice to see someone actually watches the news and does research "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Demolition teams are due to return to the French port of Calais to dismantle more makeshift shelters in the migrant camp known as the "Jungle".

Overnight, riot police fired tear gas at migrants who were hurling stones at the demolition squads and Lorries traveling past

Those living in the camp, mainly from the Middle East, Afghanistan and Africa, hope to cross the Channel to the UK, often using people traffickers to try to enter illegally

French media say about 150 people, some wielding sticks and iron bars, walked on to the road to block vehicles and we can all see on the news this morning as the approach lorries and vehicles throwing stones and iron bars

These are not Asylum Seekers, these are simply scum that need deporting back to where they came from, they have no interest in seeking asylum on first port of call or first border or indeed France, and they want to illegally enter the UK.

I have absolutely no sympathy for them whilst they risk the lives of innocent lorry drivers and authorities, they need controlled with an iron fist

Another reason we need to get out of the EU, of course the PC brigade I am sure will all line up and welcome each and every one of them a room in there home"
hehe sorry but their are not many people who would invite someone into their home they didn't know or couldn't converse with I wouldn't its getting out of control ,people who obviously are in desperate situations are offered a chance to better their lives in Europe or here that's great they deserve that chance but at the expense of those that already live here ,I personally think that's wrong but nothing's ever down to us ,we have to sit back and suffer the consequences of bad decisions

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"There are no refugees in France. Their are only economic migrants who want to use our welfare state.

EXACTLY

nice to see someone actually watches the news and does research

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I can only apologise for the "their".

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"There are no refugees in France. Their are only economic migrants who want to use our welfare state.

EXACTLY

nice to see someone actually watches the news and does research

"

But it's not news is it - always been the case.

Or is it news when sun comes up in morning ? Sorry being pedantic here!

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"There are no refugees in France. Their are only economic migrants who want to use our welfare state.

EXACTLY

nice to see someone actually watches the news and does research

But it's not news is it - always been the case.

Or is it news when sun comes up in morning ? Sorry being pedantic here!"

Surely you mean when the sun come out in the morning because it's the only paper that prints the facts.

I'd like to see some independent reporting on this rather than taking the facts from sources that may be one sided.

I'd also like our weak government to introduce something that stops the right to claim straight away be like France where you need to contribute before you are entitled to claim.

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"There are no refugees in France. Their are only economic migrants who want to use our welfare state.

EXACTLY

nice to see someone actually watches the news and does research

But it's not news is it - always been the case.

Or is it news when sun comes up in morning ? Sorry being pedantic here!

Surely you mean when the sun come out in the morning because it's the only paper that prints the facts.

I'd like to see some independent reporting on this rather than taking the facts from sources that may be one sided.

I'd also like our weak government to introduce something that stops the right to claim straight away be like France where you need to contribute before you are entitled to claim.

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I am sure you are educated enough to do your own research

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"also only 1% of britain's total available land is developed, and leaving the EU won't help us gain the infrastructure you claim is failing because of migrants when really it's failing because of tory cuts and class warfare - uh - I mean "gentrification" "
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Yeah using that type of analysis you could say there's plenty of room in Palestine for them

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