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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Shock, horror. Panorama running an expose on corruption within the police. Thing is, who's actually surprised?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Our friends in the North featured a large slice of this back in 1997

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's corruption in all lines of work. So no I'm not surprised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly, that over shadows the good members of the force.

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By *isa 59Woman
over a year ago

Newcastle

It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not surprising; nor is it surprising to hear of corruption in any part of the so called justice system. Plenty of people are convicted of alleged crimes due to this corruption each year. It's a sad insight into the nature of this system that will never be changed, regardless to the large number of innocence projects that devote many hours to reduce these numbers and free innocent prisoners.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Our friends in the North featured a large slice of this back in 1997 "

cracking series..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones."
and still do !

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn

Bent as a butchers hook around here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bent as a butchers hook around here."
she says posing with pictures of an SLP..albeit fake

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Sadly...

The Whole Fucking World is Corrupt !!!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Sadly, that over shadows the good members of the force. "

disagree, one could say the same that all doctors are like Shipman or all nurses are like Allitt but we don't because clearly they are not..

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I lost faith in Plod in the 90s

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn


"Bent as a butchers hook around here. she says posing with pictures of an SLP..albeit fake "

No law broken there, it is actually registered as a theatrical prop used for photo shoots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bent as a butchers hook around here. she says posing with pictures of an SLP..albeit fake

No law broken there, it is actually registered as a theatrical prop used for photo shoots."

No suggestion otherwise!

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By *rincesscaracoupleCouple
over a year ago

Saltburn


"Bent as a butchers hook around here. she says posing with pictures of an SLP..albeit fake

No law broken there, it is actually registered as a theatrical prop used for photo shoots.

No suggestion otherwise! "

Just to clarify the situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty in my town.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Plenty in my town."

It appears so...but they're being locked up thankfully.

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By *isa 59Woman
over a year ago

Newcastle


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !"

I don't doubt that at all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all."

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Interesting...

"And who shall watch the watchdogs?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out"

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Interesting...

"And who shall watch the watchdogs?""
and so it continues.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Are there is still corrupted officers? You never really hear about it.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living? "

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you...."
I know...but it makes me happy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you.... I know...but it makes me happy."

Why??

What do you do then? You sound like you work for the police - or in PR for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because I'm interested, from the perspective of someone who is so prejudiced as you appear to be, to know what they do, so I can offer a balanced criticism of their role, in order to illustrate how one size doesn't fit all and how any job can face slander.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


" There's corruption in all lines of work. So no I'm not surprised."

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By *ymph and ManicCouple
over a year ago

North East


"Our friends in the North featured a large slice of this back in 1997

cracking series.."
.... one of the best ever ... ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love to corrupt the police

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you.... I know...but it makes me happy."

I think they are entitled to their view, do I agree no not really as I'm not anti police but sometimes an event etc can leave a bitter taste in ones mouth. I would just let them carry on with it they are unlikely to ever tell you why they feel the way they do. I know a few people who are anti police I listen to their rants and often it goes in one ear and out the other. As long as they don't imped on my life then they can carry on its there gripe to bear not mine.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you.... I know...but it makes me happy.

I think they are entitled to their view, do I agree no not really as I'm not anti police but sometimes an event etc can leave a bitter taste in ones mouth. I would just let them carry on with it they are unlikely to ever tell you why they feel the way they do. I know a few people who are anti police I listen to their rants and often it goes in one ear and out the other. As long as they don't imped on my life then they can carry on its there gripe to bear not mine. "

Their not there

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you.... I know...but it makes me happy.

Why??

What do you do then? You sound like you work for the police - or in PR for them"

And if he does he is also entitled to his view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living? "

Yes and the police seem much more interested in investigating those other walks of life than they do their own...

If you're going to sign up for such a job as the police than you really should be whiter than white... If you want to go around enforcing laws anything other than 100% compliance with the law is the very least we should expect from them. They put themselves on that pedestal and want to catch bad guys n girls, and as many say to be of service to their communities, any of them found to be guilty of corruption should be punished much more severely than other occupations. And as much as corruption goes on it's the closing of ranks that goes with any investigation that is as bad as any initial crime. As it shows an acceptance of the corruption. So many forms of police corruption to consider too, many hard to prove when they handle the evidence.

But then compared to many countries, it ain't as bad as it could be...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's impossible for any human being to be whiter then white all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

Yes and the police seem much more interested in investigating those other walks of life than they do their own...

If you're going to sign up for such a job as the police than you really should be whiter than white... If you want to go around enforcing laws anything other than 100% compliance with the law is the very least we should expect from them. They put themselves on that pedestal and want to catch bad guys n girls, and as many say to be of service to their communities, any of them found to be guilty of corruption should be punished much more severely than other occupations. And as much as corruption goes on it's the closing of ranks that goes with any investigation that is as bad as any initial crime. As it shows an acceptance of the corruption. So many forms of police corruption to consider too, many hard to prove when they handle the evidence.

But then compared to many countries, it ain't as bad as it could be..."
.

A couple of points although I tend to agree with corruption, the point is you'll only alleviate the situation by having a transparent governing body investigating.

So firstly we pay them to enforce the law! , it's laws that we create as a society to govern each other's behaviours... That's not the police acting as judge and jurer.

Secondly they do actually get harder sentences when caught breaking the law because they are police officers, yes too many get off with early retirement in some cases but that's usually through laziness of the CPS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think it's impossible for them to operate with complete professionalism at all times though. Unfortunately the minority of officers that are corrupt do have a negative impact on the force and the good they have done with the cuts taken place across the force

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By * e coupleCouple
over a year ago

northeast

It's rife all over the country was in the 70s, and why would it be any less now .

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By *rai69Man
over a year ago

Braintree

ACAB!

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Belfast


"Shock, horror. Panorama running an expose on corruption within the police. Thing is, who's actually surprised? "

I missed it, in northern Ireland there's an ombudsmen that oversees the psni and handles complaints relating to misconduct ect. It's probably another toothless bureaucracy with no real influence or sway but something like an ombudsmen done properly auditing police practice and publishing reports is undoubtedly a good thing.

Do England, Scotland and Wales have an independent police ombudsmen body?

A southern irish friend went off on a bit of a rant a few weeks ago regarding. The Garda Síochána (southern Irish police) alleging they're corrupt as fuck and are known for taking back handers and turning a blind eye to criminal gang activity... For example.

The police (or any such organisation) should not be allowed to police themselves.. There should always be an independent ombudsmen to oversee, audit and hold them to account.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Our friends in the North featured a large slice of this back in 1997 "

I loved that series. One of Daniel Craig's first roles I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shock, horror. Panorama running an expose on corruption within the police. Thing is, who's actually surprised?

I missed it, in northern Ireland there's an ombudsmen that oversees the psni and handles complaints relating to misconduct ect. It's probably another toothless bureaucracy with no real influence or sway but something like an ombudsmen done properly auditing police practice and publishing reports is undoubtedly a good thing.

Do England, Scotland and Wales have an independent police ombudsmen body?

A southern irish friend went off on a bit of a rant a few weeks ago regarding. The Garda Síochána (southern Irish police) alleging they're corrupt as fuck and are known for taking back handers and turning a blind eye to criminal gang activity... For example.

The police (or any such organisation) should not be allowed to police themselves.. There should always be an independent ombudsmen to oversee, audit and hold them to account."

Yes each police force ie Thames valley, metropolitan, greater Manchester all have an independent police complaints commission.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meh, I'll watch it tomorrow an try to remember to tell you all what I think.

Bet you can't bloody wait.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shock, horror. Panorama running an expose on corruption within the police. Thing is, who's actually surprised?

I missed it, in northern Ireland there's an ombudsmen that oversees the psni and handles complaints relating to misconduct ect. It's probably another toothless bureaucracy with no real influence or sway but something like an ombudsmen done properly auditing police practice and publishing reports is undoubtedly a good thing.

Do England, Scotland and Wales have an independent police ombudsmen body?

A southern irish friend went off on a bit of a rant a few weeks ago regarding. The Garda Síochána (southern Irish police) alleging they're corrupt as fuck and are known for taking back handers and turning a blind eye to criminal gang activity... For example.

The police (or any such organisation) should not be allowed to police themselves.. There should always be an independent ombudsmen to oversee, audit and hold them to account.

Yes each police force ie Thames valley, metropolitan, greater Manchester all have an independent police complaints commission. "

with regards to an garda siochana , they are managing and totally controlling the importation and exportation of drugs in the republic of Ireland.Sadly people are only beginning to wake up to that fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shock, horror. Panorama running an expose on corruption within the police. Thing is, who's actually surprised? "
evening all,warm night ,ello ello ello ,I'm not they'd nick their own mothers

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

There are very few people I can truly say I totally despise, but corrupt police officers are right up there at the top of the list with corrupt medics and politicians who abuse their position of trust for any reason along with anyone who swears an oath of allegiance to country and then betrays that oath.

To my way of thinking anyone who is so perfidious should be punished so severely that all his (or her) fellows are so appaled by the punishment that if they are in any way tempted to corrupt their office they leave it rather than face the consequences of corruption.

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By *edsBonkingMan
over a year ago

Near MK


"Sadly...

The Whole Fucking World is Corrupt !!!

"

Most definitely! Especially those in high places like government!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Shock, horror. Panorama running an expose on corruption within the police. Thing is, who's actually surprised?

I missed it, in northern Ireland there's an ombudsmen that oversees the psni and handles complaints relating to misconduct ect. It's probably another toothless bureaucracy with no real influence or sway but something like an ombudsmen done properly auditing police practice and publishing reports is undoubtedly a good thing.

Do England, Scotland and Wales have an independent police ombudsmen body?

A southern irish friend went off on a bit of a rant a few weeks ago regarding. The Garda Síochána (southern Irish police) alleging they're corrupt as fuck and are known for taking back handers and turning a blind eye to criminal gang activity... For example.

The police (or any such organisation) should not be allowed to police themselves.. There should always be an independent ombudsmen to oversee, audit and hold them to account.

Yes each police force ie Thames valley, metropolitan, greater Manchester all have an independent police complaints commission. "

Sure the police tremble when they hear the IPCC are getting involved

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

If the police are corrupt, who is corrupting them???

The public... The dirty police corrupting bastards...

What if it's bent cop investigating good cops and framing them???

Finally to the people who say all their local cops are bent...

Why would a cop risk his job, freedom and pension on some local low life???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the police are corrupt, who is corrupting them???

The public... The dirty police corrupting bastards...

What if it's bent cop investigating good cops and framing them???

Finally to the people who say all their local cops are bent...

Why would a cop risk his job, freedom and pension on some local low life??? "
human nature you always want what you can't have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you.... I know...but it makes me happy.

I think they are entitled to their view, do I agree no not really as I'm not anti police but sometimes an event etc can leave a bitter taste in ones mouth. I would just let them carry on with it they are unlikely to ever tell you why they feel the way they do. I know a few people who are anti police I listen to their rants and often it goes in one ear and out the other. As long as they don't imped on my life then they can carry on its there gripe to bear not mine. "

It is their view you're quite right. But this forum is for debating? My stance is that if you can't back up your opinion with fact...then it's simply an opinion.

The OP clearly has a beef with the organisation which never leads to objective thinking and comment. I wonder if they have a criminal record or simply a complaint they made didn't go the way they wanted?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's actually about the late 80's into the 90's and how the good cops investigated the bent ones.and still do !

I don't doubt that at all.

Errr.... didn't they actually say it was deemed too expensive to actually go after them and that the best way was to offer them the opportunity to resign? Not exactly bringing them to justice, is it? Also if you google Operation Tiberius you will see it is speculated that the corruption is still endemic within the police force as so few were actually drummed out

Corruption is evident in all walks,and based on previous posts by yourself you have personal issues with the Police for some reason. What do you do for a living?

I don't know why you keep asking s/he will probably never tell you.... I know...but it makes me happy.

I think they are entitled to their view, do I agree no not really as I'm not anti police but sometimes an event etc can leave a bitter taste in ones mouth. I would just let them carry on with it they are unlikely to ever tell you why they feel the way they do. I know a few people who are anti police I listen to their rants and often it goes in one ear and out the other. As long as they don't imped on my life then they can carry on its there gripe to bear not mine.

It is their view you're quite right. But this forum is for debating? My stance is that if you can't back up your opinion with fact...then it's simply an opinion.

The OP clearly has a beef with the organisation which never leads to objective thinking and comment. I wonder if they have a criminal record or simply a complaint they made didn't go the way they wanted?"

Don't have a criminal record

I actually don't see you debating at all, just apologising for the police. Where are your facts and figures? I can point to many cases where the police have behaved badly. You will also note I'm not the only one saying so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Shock, horror. Panorama running an expose on corruption within the police. Thing is, who's actually surprised? "
I suggest you Google jasna badzak and see how UKIP have influenced police. A big corruption case going on - shocking & scary!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are evidencing that there are cases of corruption,not that every person in the organisation is corrupt.

There are cases of corrupt lawyers,theft by employee's in supermarkets,malpractice in the NHS,airline pilots deliberately flying aircraft into mountains,corrupt politicians, teachers involved inappropriately with children, soldier's thieving,priests involved in sex scandals....you follow? Essentially the human race surprise surprise has issues!

You're entitled to your opinion but it's obviously fuelled by some personal issue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" You are evidencing that there are cases of corruption,not that every person in the organisation is corrupt.

There are cases of corrupt lawyers,theft by employee's in supermarkets,malpractice in the NHS,airline pilots deliberately flying aircraft into mountains,corrupt politicians, teachers involved inappropriately with children, soldier's thieving,priests involved in sex scandals....you follow? Essentially the human race surprise surprise has issues!

You're entitled to your opinion but it's obviously fuelled by some personal issue."

Yes, it is. As I have previously pointed out, I have seen the police behave in an appalling way. The difference with the other jobs you have cited is that they don't police themselves. That is the weakness of the system where police investigate themselves. It leads to horrific abuses. Just as the Catholic church you have talked about should cleanse itself, so should the police. Only then will some confidence be restored. I haven't seen that happening however. Offering police the chance to resign rather than prosecuting, as we saw last night, is not enough. They should be held to account. Wouldn't you agree?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No agenda and agree with your statement - corruption is in every walk of life. It's just so sad when it rears its ugly head where positions of trust & integrity are involved. It's the rotten 1-2% who taint the rest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" You are evidencing that there are cases of corruption,not that every person in the organisation is corrupt.

There are cases of corrupt lawyers,theft by employee's in supermarkets,malpractice in the NHS,airline pilots deliberately flying aircraft into mountains,corrupt politicians, teachers involved inappropriately with children, soldier's thieving,priests involved in sex scandals....you follow? Essentially the human race surprise surprise has issues!

You're entitled to your opinion but it's obviously fuelled by some personal issue."

Just read that every year there are 30,000 complaints against the police, less than one hundred of which are being looked into by the IPCC - even allowing for half those claims to be false or malicious, 15,000 complaints seems a lot - 99% of which the police are investigating themselves over. Doesn't seem right to me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" You are evidencing that there are cases of corruption,not that every person in the organisation is corrupt.

There are cases of corrupt lawyers,theft by employee's in supermarkets,malpractice in the NHS,airline pilots deliberately flying aircraft into mountains,corrupt politicians, teachers involved inappropriately with children, soldier's thieving,priests involved in sex scandals....you follow? Essentially the human race surprise surprise has issues!

You're entitled to your opinion but it's obviously fuelled by some personal issue.

Yes, it is. As I have previously pointed out, I have seen the police behave in an appalling way. The difference with the other jobs you have cited is that they don't police themselves. That is the weakness of the system where police investigate themselves. It leads to horrific abuses. Just as the Catholic church you have talked about should cleanse itself, so should the police. Only then will some confidence be restored. I haven't seen that happening however. Offering police the chance to resign rather than prosecuting, as we saw last night, is not enough. They should be held to account. Wouldn't you agree? "

I agree whole heartedly and they should be held accountable and dealt with accordingly. I don't believe anyone can or would argue with that.

Every organisation needs someone overseeing their actions.But then some scandal will hit that body...then who oversees them? Fundamentally I believe every public organisation is striving to maintain integrity, and the vast majority are professionals. Hence the fact I believe sweeping statements are damaging.

I've had bad experiences with Police, fire service,NHS and all sorts...but you know what? It was the individual who was the cretin,not the organisation.

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over a year ago


" You are evidencing that there are cases of corruption,not that every person in the organisation is corrupt.

There are cases of corrupt lawyers,theft by employee's in supermarkets,malpractice in the NHS,airline pilots deliberately flying aircraft into mountains,corrupt politicians, teachers involved inappropriately with children, soldier's thieving,priests involved in sex scandals....you follow? Essentially the human race surprise surprise has issues!

You're entitled to your opinion but it's obviously fuelled by some personal issue.

Just read that every year there are 30,000 complaints against the police, less than one hundred of which are being looked into by the IPCC - even allowing for half those claims to be false or malicious, 15,000 complaints seems a lot - 99% of which the police are investigating themselves over. Doesn't seem right to me! "

By the very nature of the job people complain. Just because there are 30000 complaints doesn't mean they are substantiated. It's the commodity they deal in...people making complaints. And of course the complainant is always an angelic victim.

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over a year ago


" You are evidencing that there are cases of corruption,not that every person in the organisation is corrupt.

There are cases of corrupt lawyers,theft by employee's in supermarkets,malpractice in the NHS,airline pilots deliberately flying aircraft into mountains,corrupt politicians, teachers involved inappropriately with children, soldier's thieving,priests involved in sex scandals....you follow? Essentially the human race surprise surprise has issues!

You're entitled to your opinion but it's obviously fuelled by some personal issue.

Just read that every year there are 30,000 complaints against the police, less than one hundred of which are being looked into by the IPCC - even allowing for half those claims to be false or malicious, 15,000 complaints seems a lot - 99% of which the police are investigating themselves over. Doesn't seem right to me!

By the very nature of the job people complain. Just because there are 30000 complaints doesn't mean they are substantiated. It's the commodity they deal in...people making complaints. And of course the complainant is always an angelic victim."

No, some won't be 'angelic victims' but some will be!

I'm not saying otherwise. But it is stupidity to imagine that the police are not also guilty as sin in many cases - or to think that the figure of 30,000 is the whole number of complaints. Many who have grievances won't pursue it for fear or reprisal or simply because there is little or no chance of anything happening

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I'm not advocating they're not guilty of malpractice in cases.

It's also stupidity to suggest corruption to the extent you suggest.

It's obvious you feel distaste and your opinion is quite rightly yours. You can always join up and be the model of excellence?

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over a year ago


" I'm not advocating they're not guilty of malpractice in cases.

It's also stupidity to suggest corruption to the extent you suggest.

It's obvious you feel distaste and your opinion is quite rightly yours. You can always join up and be the model of excellence? "

Too old to join up. I also understand that graduates are treated like shit in the police so not sure I'd fit in

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" I'm not advocating they're not guilty of malpractice in cases.

It's also stupidity to suggest corruption to the extent you suggest.

It's obvious you feel distaste and your opinion is quite rightly yours. You can always join up and be the model of excellence?

Too old to join up. I also understand that graduates are treated like shit in the police so not sure I'd fit in"

Lol I'll let you carry on. As they say haters are gonna hate

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over a year ago


" I'm not advocating they're not guilty of malpractice in cases.

It's also stupidity to suggest corruption to the extent you suggest.

It's obvious you feel distaste and your opinion is quite rightly yours. You can always join up and be the model of excellence?

Too old to join up. I also understand that graduates are treated like shit in the police so not sure I'd fit in

Lol I'll let you carry on. As they say haters are gonna hate "

Wasn't joking. The fast track scheme caused a lot of problems within the police. Certainly it did 20 years back when I looked into the possibility of joining.

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During my investigations into criminal law, namely miscarriages of justice; through the actions of police, there are a number of individuals who are innocent of the alleged crimes they have committed and been convicted of. Some reasons include; offering immunity to "minor" criminals in order to obtain a false statement, police officers giving witnesses a person's number in a line up, intentionally attempting to gode suspects into a confession. These are but a few of the ways, I've heard and indeed seen some footage of, they will also tamper with some evidence so it corroborates with the timings they suggest and even ignore evidence when it is lighter identified thy new DNA testing can confirm the evidences viability.

Yes, this is not all police officers but it appears that it is not as uncommon as we are lead to believe.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

So 30,000 complaints, 135,000 police officers... That equates to 0.023 complaints per officer...

The Met receive over 4.5 million calls a year. That equates to 1 complaint per 150 phone calls...

That doesn't include any other police forces.... So it probably nearer 1 complaint per 300 calls.

Some of these complaints are going to be by people not happy how the call was delta with. A large number of complaints against the police are by people with mental health issues, further complaints are made by people arrested purely in the hope that it will go in their favour at court.

Some of the complaints are made against the police service it self. I.E. The police not attending a burglary etc...

So all in all complaints are tiny.

However like everything they can always be reduced...

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over a year ago


"So 30,000 complaints, 135,000 police officers... That equates to 0.023 complaints per officer...

The Met receive over 4.5 million calls a year. That equates to 1 complaint per 150 phone calls...

That doesn't include any other police forces.... So it probably nearer 1 complaint per 300 calls.

Some of these complaints are going to be by people not happy how the call was delta with. A large number of complaints against the police are by people with mental health issues, further complaints are made by people arrested purely in the hope that it will go in their favour at court.

Some of the complaints are made against the police service it self. I.E. The police not attending a burglary etc...

So all in all complaints are tiny.

However like everything they can always be reduced...

"

Errr... Think your Maths is wrong. Have no idea how many coppers there are but if it's 135,000, then nearly a quarter have a complaint made against them every year! That's a very high figure. Yes, some complaints will be false and malicious but others will be very serious and correct - yet the police will close ranks and ensure that they are not properly investigated. And we, as a society, seem to accept this. Some, myself included, don't. Can't see why others accept it. Guess people don't care unless they themselves are affected. Seems a very apathetic attitude to me

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Sorry should have been 0.23 just under a quater...

Some of those officers will never get a complaint others will get a few.

Yes some will be justified and many won't. Like many protesters, who don't mind throwing bottles, bricks and scaffolding at police but then complain when they get punched by an officer defending themself.

I really doubt there is much covering up going on. When you look at some of the things police officers have been prosecuted with.

Some of those things could have been easily kept in house and never heard of...

The IPCC is staffed by some famously anti-police so they would not be party to any cover ups...

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