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"was anyone hurt?" No don't think so as many did run away from it. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? " No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... " Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used?" Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... " Oh great so we'll have to set up machine guns at the entrance to the tunnel if we follow that logic to it's logical conclusion if we vote to drop out of the EU. What an almighty fuck up this lot is. I despair. I really do. | |||
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"That camp is filled with 4 X as many immigrants as it's designed for isn't it? So its bound to end up with frustrations. That should be made better or refugees moved to another camp. Sounds like the refugees were using weapons too and I guess the border had to be kept secure or it would be a free for all. Sarah " If this was the US land of the free They would all get shot dead | |||
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"Oh great so we'll have to set up machine guns at the entrance to the tunnel if we follow that logic to it's logical conclusion if we vote to drop out of the EU. What an almighty fuck up this lot is. I despair. I really do." That is exactly what we should do! And rather than despairing you would do better to realise that we are a social predator and like all predators we need to be strong and defend our territory or it will be taken from us. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. " Mmmm last time I checked they weren't storming across, bayonets fixed doing a section attack? The world is evolving my friend. Attitudes like that in my opinion are usually associated with lunatics who would probably shy away from dealing with genuine threats requiring force. | |||
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" Mmmm last time I checked they weren't storming across, bayonets fixed doing a section attack? The world is evolving my friend. Attitudes like that in my opinion are usually associated with lunatics who would probably shy away from dealing with genuine threats requiring force. " Stripes, an invasion is an invasion, the fact that violence is a new development since the closure of borders is proof that those who have their eyes fixed on our territory will escalate to impose their will on us. At what point do we grow some balls and defend our self-interests? "willwill, you are a disgrace.. the actions of those who stormed the fence are not acceptable but to talk about using the military with a shoot to kill mandate against women and children is abhorrent, stupid and disgusting.. as for sinking the boats of those crossing fucks sake take a look at yourself.. cowardly talk.. " Surreysensual, you keep wringing your hands and shouting me and those like me down. Give it 2 or 3 years and they will be crossing the channel in the same way as they are crossing the Med and when they are in Surrey and you are on the front line I hope you will remember that you think I am a disgrace for saying we need to stop this invasion dead at whatever the cost. | |||
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" Mmmm last time I checked they weren't storming across, bayonets fixed doing a section attack? The world is evolving my friend. Attitudes like that in my opinion are usually associated with lunatics who would probably shy away from dealing with genuine threats requiring force. Stripes, an invasion is an invasion, the fact that violence is a new development since the closure of borders is proof that those who have their eyes fixed on our territory will escalate to impose their will on us. At what point do we grow some balls and defend our self-interests? willwill, you are a disgrace.. the actions of those who stormed the fence are not acceptable but to talk about using the military with a shoot to kill mandate against women and children is abhorrent, stupid and disgusting.. as for sinking the boats of those crossing fucks sake take a look at yourself.. cowardly talk.. Surreysensual, you keep wringing your hands and shouting me and those like me down. Give it 2 or 3 years and they will be crossing the channel in the same way as they are crossing the Med and when they are in Surrey and you are on the front line I hope you will remember that you think I am a disgrace for saying we need to stop this invasion dead at whatever the cost." the 'front line', 'invasion' ffs get real its a crisis no doubt but i don't see what the hysterical language is about.. as for shouting you down well when you use such stupid and cowardly words as you have done then expect to be pulled on it.. there have been many debate's on the current issue and no doubt more will take place so by all means engage in such a debate but please drop the armchair mass murderer type rhetoric eh, its not big, certainly not clever and simply indicates a level of vileness not necessary nor appreciated by most of the decent people on the forums.. By the way, i am not 'wringing my hands'.. | |||
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" Mmmm last time I checked they weren't storming across, bayonets fixed doing a section attack? The world is evolving my friend. Attitudes like that in my opinion are usually associated with lunatics who would probably shy away from dealing with genuine threats requiring force. Stripes, an invasion is an invasion, the fact that violence is a new development since the closure of borders is proof that those who have their eyes fixed on our territory will escalate to impose their will on us. At what point do we grow some balls and defend our self-interests? willwill, you are a disgrace.. the actions of those who stormed the fence are not acceptable but to talk about using the military with a shoot to kill mandate against women and children is abhorrent, stupid and disgusting.. as for sinking the boats of those crossing fucks sake take a look at yourself.. cowardly talk.. Surreysensual, you keep wringing your hands and shouting me and those like me down. Give it 2 or 3 years and they will be crossing the channel in the same way as they are crossing the Med and when they are in Surrey and you are on the front line I hope you will remember that you think I am a disgrace for saying we need to stop this invasion dead at whatever the cost. the 'front line', 'invasion' ffs get real its a crisis no doubt but i don't see what the hysterical language is about.. as for shouting you down well when you use such stupid and cowardly words as you have done then expect to be pulled on it.. there have been many debate's on the current issue and no doubt more will take place so by all means engage in such a debate but please drop the armchair mass murderer type rhetoric eh, its not big, certainly not clever and simply indicates a level of vileness not necessary nor appreciated by most of the decent people on the forums.. By the way, i am not 'wringing my hands'.. " strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too | |||
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"the 'front line', 'invasion' ffs get real its a crisis no doubt but i don't see what the hysterical language is about.. as for shouting you down well when you use such stupid and cowardly words as you have done then expect to be pulled on it.. there have been many debate's on the current issue and no doubt more will take place so by all means engage in such a debate but please drop the armchair mass murderer type rhetoric eh, its not big, certainly not clever and simply indicates a level of vileness not necessary nor appreciated by most of the decent people on the forums.. By the way, i am not 'wringing my hands'.. " When Churchill was warning of the coming storm in the 1930's your position was that of the 'level headed' decent folk. I do not pretend that what I am saying is pleasant, I do not fool myself about its popularity, I am fully aware that I will be called all sorts of names and shunned by many. But just because what I say leaves a bad taste in the mouth does not detract from the basic truths I am saying. And as for the font line, do you really believe that the 1,000,000+ that are moving north and west are being fed, clothed, housed and looked after by well meaning locals wherever they are? If you do you are even more foolish and gullible than I already think you are. We only ever hear about incidents that cant be kept out of the news. After all if we all had all the facts we may not be so complacent and start demanding our governments take action to stop this escalating invasion. I keep saying invasion because that is what it is, whether you like it or not or think me calling it what it is is obnoxious or not. | |||
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Machine gun them alllllll!!!"it may come to that how long will it be before some trigger happy border guard starts shooting, put my money on hungary to lead, the israelis shoot them in the leg i saw this on rt news news, that puts them off, all these who are in favor of migrants if they have spare rooms at home take them in and look after them, i have them next door migrants heating on 24/7 see the plume from boiler lights on there not paying for it | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? " Yes of course they did right. The police are there to prevent illegal immigrants entering their country. The immigrants have no excuse they are not refugees they are in a safe haven and should obey they laws of their host nation. If they cannot do that they should be arested and deported back to where they came from. Yes that sounds harsh but do not forget the imigrants are no longer fleeing to save their lives they are now simply economic imigrants. That is a big difference | |||
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Machine gun them alllllll!!!it may come to that how long will it be before some trigger happy border guard starts shooting, put my money on hungary to lead, the israelis shoot them in the leg i saw this on rt news news, that puts them off, all these who are in favor of migrants if they have spare rooms at home take them in and look after them, i have them next door migrants heating on 24/7 see the plume from boiler lights on there not paying for it"The police did right. They are all Terrorists!!! | |||
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"strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too" Now that is really funny! If I am anything I am radical a socialist (verging on but not quite a Marxist) in my politics. | |||
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I can see only two potential issue's with this system....... | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? " Absolutely not The Police should have used much more force Much more force | |||
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"the 'front line', 'invasion' ffs get real its a crisis no doubt but i don't see what the hysterical language is about.. as for shouting you down well when you use such stupid and cowardly words as you have done then expect to be pulled on it.. there have been many debate's on the current issue and no doubt more will take place so by all means engage in such a debate but please drop the armchair mass murderer type rhetoric eh, its not big, certainly not clever and simply indicates a level of vileness not necessary nor appreciated by most of the decent people on the forums.. By the way, i am not 'wringing my hands'.. When Churchill was warning of the coming storm in the 1930's your position was that of the 'level headed' decent folk. I do not pretend that what I am saying is pleasant, I do not fool myself about its popularity, I am fully aware that I will be called all sorts of names and shunned by many. But just because what I say leaves a bad taste in the mouth does not detract from the basic truths I am saying. And as for the font line, do you really believe that the 1,000,000+ that are moving north and west are being fed, clothed, housed and looked after by well meaning locals wherever they are? If you do you are even more foolish and gullible than I already think you are. We only ever hear about incidents that cant be kept out of the news. After all if we all had all the facts we may not be so complacent and start demanding our governments take action to stop this escalating invasion. I keep saying invasion because that is what it is, whether you like it or not or think me calling it what it is is obnoxious or not." That you care to assume you know what 'my position' is or would have been in the 1930's because i object to your opinion that murdering women and children is the solution to the current crisis is frankly silly.. you have no idea but feel free to keep guessing.. why am i gullible..? because i object to your views..? do me a favour 'comrade' stop making further assumptions again based on what? oh yeah my objection to your etc etc.. | |||
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"strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too Now that is really funny! If I am anything I am radical a socialist (verging on but not quite a Marxist) in my politics. " Sorry comrade, but your disgusting views are very far from my understanding of a socialist. National Socialist perhaps? | |||
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"strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too Now that is really funny! If I am anything I am radical a socialist (verging on but not quite a Marxist) in my politics. Sorry comrade, but your disgusting views are very far from my understanding of a socialist. National Socialist perhaps?" I think that is the more accurate description. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? Yes of course they did right. The police are there to prevent illegal immigrants entering their country. The immigrants have no excuse they are not refugees they are in a safe haven and should obey they laws of their host nation. If they cannot do that they should be arested and deported back to where they came from. Yes that sounds harsh but do not forget the imigrants are no longer fleeing to save their lives they are now simply economic imigrants. That is a big difference" Well said. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? " Send every single one of them back, if they are fighting and tearing down border fences, they are fit enough to fight for their own country perhaps if every one of them stood up for there rights and to protect their own country there would not be such a mess as there is now Its time the UK got right out of Europe, time to vote out. | |||
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"(1) A trained soldier in Europe cannot under any circumstance shoot an unarmed civilian it's against the Geneva convention the soldier would be tried for murder. (2) a force of 1 million cannot invade a country of over 60 million (3) if a Napoleon who amassed the biggest army in human history and Hitler who amassed the most modern and mechanise army at the time couldn't invade England I highly doubt a bunch of refugees could pull it off " The mistake you are making is presenting a logical and reasoned argument. It has no place here. This thread is for the ignorant and bigoted to light some torches and form a lynchmob. | |||
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"(1) A trained soldier in Europe cannot under any circumstance shoot an unarmed civilian it's against the Geneva convention the soldier would be tried for murder. (2) a force of 1 million cannot invade a country of over 60 million (3) if a Napoleon who amassed the biggest army in human history and Hitler who amassed the most modern and mechanise army at the time couldn't invade England I highly doubt a bunch of refugees could pull it off The mistake you are making is presenting a logical and reasoned argument. It has no place here. This thread is for the ignorant and bigoted to light some torches and form a lynchmob." oh sorry mate my bad | |||
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"strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too Now that is really funny! If I am anything I am radical a socialist (verging on but not quite a Marxist) in my politics. Sorry comrade, but your disgusting views are very far from my understanding of a socialist. National Socialist perhaps?" And here we have the ultimate insult! You cant attack what I say or the facts I base those statements on so attack me and label me a NAZI. | |||
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"strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too Now that is really funny! If I am anything I am radical a socialist (verging on but not quite a Marxist) in my politics. Sorry comrade, but your disgusting views are very far from my understanding of a socialist. National Socialist perhaps? And here we have the ultimate insult! You cant attack what I say or the facts I base those statements on so attack me and label me a NAZI." Try not to act like one then. I'm half expecting you to start quoting Powell in a minute. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. " What the fuck?? are you for real?? These are desperate human beings ...and desperate people do desperate things!! You're appalling! | |||
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"strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too Now that is really funny! If I am anything I am radical a socialist (verging on but not quite a Marxist) in my politics. Sorry comrade, but your disgusting views are very far from my understanding of a socialist. National Socialist perhaps? And here we have the ultimate insult! You cant attack what I say or the facts I base those statements on so attack me and label me a NAZI." I think a position advocating shooting of innocent civilians is pretty easy to attack actually. I'd like to see you argue the socialist case for murdering women and children based on their nationality? Stalinism is just as grotesque as Nazism . | |||
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"strange how the far right have been predicting this front line for well over 30 years now and it never happens surrey your right a lot wont appreciate his rubbish chat and i personally thought this site would be more mature in a conversation like this and not so right wing too Now that is really funny! If I am anything I am radical a socialist (verging on but not quite a Marxist) in my politics. Sorry comrade, but your disgusting views are very far from my understanding of a socialist. National Socialist perhaps? And here we have the ultimate insult! You cant attack what I say or the facts I base those statements on so attack me and label me a NAZI." Ultimate insult, probably not although possibly very appropriate given your posts on here.. what facts? all you've done is spout a vile opinion so if the cap fits.. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. What the fuck?? are you for real?? These are desperate human beings ...and desperate people do desperate things!! You're appalling! " Really? Desperate human beings? I think not! The Palestinians living in Jordan for the last 40 years fall into that category, as do those who are in are surviving in refugee camps in Turkey, Lebanon and all the other safe countries around the war zones in the middle east. However those who are forcing their way north and west are not! The fact that you and your like refuse to acknowledge this simple fact says a lot more about you than it does about me. In fact that you would label me as a NAZI for refusing to submit to your PC rose tinted view of the world seems to me very like the sort of tactic that a real fascist NAZI would use. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. What the fuck?? are you for real?? These are desperate human beings ...and desperate people do desperate things!! You're appalling! Really? Desperate human beings? I think not! The Palestinians living in Jordan for the last 40 years fall into that category, as do those who are in are surviving in refugee camps in Turkey, Lebanon and all the other safe countries around the war zones in the middle east. However those who are forcing their way north and west are not! The fact that you and your like refuse to acknowledge this simple fact says a lot more about you than it does about me. In fact that you would label me as a NAZI for refusing to submit to your PC rose tinted view of the world seems to me very like the sort of tactic that a real fascist NAZI would use." I'd forgotten that you were a tireless humanitarian who had spent time in these refugee camps. | |||
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"I'd forgotten that you were a tireless humanitarian who had spent time in these refugee camps. " LoL! No I would never describe myself as that. I am very much a soul of the enlightened self interest variety. However this does not preclude me from being able to sift PC shit to find the grains of gold hidden in all that crap and sharing my findings with others.  | |||
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"A simple comparison. If you had an unruly mob who appeared unannounced on your doorstep and were banging on your door demanding entry, wouldn't you defend yourself?" Or you, without shelter and clothing desperate knocking on a strangers door for help? | |||
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"A simple comparison. If you had an unruly mob who appeared unannounced on your doorstep and were banging on your door demanding entry, wouldn't you defend yourself? Or you, without shelter and clothing desperate knocking on a strangers door for help?" But... What would Jesus do? | |||
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"A simple comparison. If you had an unruly mob who appeared unannounced on your doorstep and were banging on your door demanding entry, wouldn't you defend yourself? Or you, without shelter and clothing desperate knocking on a strangers door for help? But... What would Jesus do? "You're point? | |||
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"A simple comparison. If you had an unruly mob who appeared unannounced on your doorstep and were banging on your door demanding entry, wouldn't you defend yourself?" yes of course one would and should do but there is a thing in law called reasonable force, its there to basically deter some moron from throwing acid into your face when they think you have jumped the queue in wherever and ditto with another moron from stabbing me if they don't like the colour of my shirt.. again no one has said that if there was an angry mob trying to storm the chunnel that 'we' should not take reasonable steps to prevent that.. unless of course your in the drown the children that get past the thin red line camp? | |||
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"i think its safe to assume lest there be any confusion that no one is in denial or using rose tinted spectacles about the refugee crisis in Europe at the present time so lets put that one to bed.. the difference and objection is in how to address this and drowning and or using armed troops to massacre these people is not on the agenda thankfully despite the dribbling fantasies of some.. " I think we can agree on most of what you say. Unfortunately history teaches us that what most consider the dribbling fantasies of some pre the event is seen by historians as the unheeded warnings of those who see what is coming by those of dead societies who were no longer willing to defend their civilisations. I am so happy I am not a child or young adult today. | |||
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"WillWill You talk of remembering the 30's, the end of which started a mass migration of refugees, trying to escape war... There has been fighting in Syria for how many years? Are you against refugees, or economic migrants or both? Are the people from Syria looking for a better job or simply escaping a war torn country? How are they going to wrestle power of this country from us? Todays refugee probably isn't tomorrows prime minister... " Because we definitely didn't take in any refugees in the 30's did we? | |||
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" When Churchill was warning of the coming storm in the 1930's your position was that of the 'level headed' decent folk. I do not pretend that what I am saying is pleasant, I do not fool myself about its popularity, I am fully aware that I will be called all sorts of names and shunned by many. " There'd be little doubt that Churchill would be turning over in his grave at this use of his name. At the time he was warning the country about the type of person who would machine gun civilians. | |||
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"i think its safe to assume lest there be any confusion that no one is in denial or using rose tinted spectacles about the refugee crisis in Europe at the present time so lets put that one to bed.. the difference and objection is in how to address this and drowning and or using armed troops to massacre these people is not on the agenda thankfully despite the dribbling fantasies of some.. I think we can agree on most of what you say. Unfortunately history teaches us that what most consider the dribbling fantasies of some pre the event is seen by historians as the unheeded warnings of those who see what is coming by those of dead societies who were no longer willing to defend their civilisations. I am so happy I am not a child or young adult today. " Don't worry, us young adults are pretty damn glad you're not too. We'll get on pretty well without attitudes like yours thanks. | |||
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"Because we definitely didn't take in any refugees in the 30's did we? "No we did about the same as we are doing today... And we had the same arguments with the same sides as today with the anti war brigade shouting the same things as they are now... Now remind me how refusing to use the overwhelming force required to stop the incremental escalation to total unrestricted world war in the 30's worked out for us all? | |||
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"Because we definitely didn't take in any refugees in the 30's did we?
No we did about the same as we are doing today...
And we had the same arguments with the same sides as today with the anti war brigade shouting the same things as they are now...
Now remind me how refusing to use the overwhelming force required to stop the incremental escalation to total unrestricted world war in the 30's worked out for us all?"You do realise that we didn't go to war with Hitler because he was sending us too many refugees, don't you? | |||
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" You do realise that we didn't go to war with Hitler because he was sending us too many refugees, don't you?" And that if we use every possible analogy from the 1930s or any other pre war period, we'll be very very busy and unpopular? | |||
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"Because we definitely didn't take in any refugees in the 30's did we?
No we did about the same as we are doing today...
And we had the same arguments with the same sides as today with the anti war brigade shouting the same things as they are now...
Now remind me how refusing to use the overwhelming force required to stop the incremental escalation to total unrestricted world war in the 30's worked out for us all?"I don't recall a suitable comparison? WW2 and the current situation? OK let's follow your model and rigidly stop all migration and crossing of borders? Still have a refugee crisis,still have a middle east crisis and still have a radicalisation crisis...Probably enhanced now? | |||
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"i think its safe to assume lest there be any confusion that no one is in denial or using rose tinted spectacles about the refugee crisis in Europe at the present time so lets put that one to bed.. the difference and objection is in how to address this and drowning and or using armed troops to massacre these people is not on the agenda thankfully despite the dribbling fantasies of some.. I think we can agree on most of what you say. Unfortunately history teaches us that what most consider the dribbling fantasies of some pre the event is seen by historians as the unheeded warnings of those who see what is coming by those of dead societies who were no longer willing to defend their civilisations. I am so happy I am not a child or young adult today. " i am equally happy that you are in the minority with your opinions.. you are not a stupid person so you must know that no one will ever start doing what you suggest, which begs the question why do you think it would have any effect other than a slide into anarchy and chaos..? | |||
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"Because we definitely didn't take in any refugees in the 30's did we?
No we did about the same as we are doing today...
And we had the same arguments with the same sides as today with the anti war brigade shouting the same things as they are now...
Now remind me how refusing to use the overwhelming force required to stop the incremental escalation to total unrestricted world war in the 30's worked out for us all?"Remind us how the situation is the same? Oh yes, one side committed arbitrary slaughter. We were the guys who put a stop to it, remember? | |||
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"Don't worry, us young adults are pretty damn glad you're not too. We'll get on pretty well without attitudes like yours thanks." That sort of reminds of the Oxford Union voting that 2 to 1 that 'this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country' in 1933. That did not work out too well for them... | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? " Ofcourse the Police did wrong. They should have welcomed them and summoned a five star Michelin chef to rustle up some goat curry for the poor starving migrants | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? " equally one could ask whom of those who think drowning children is acceptable behaviour would be prepared to do the act? also do you think that housing all the refugees over here is the answer, maybe supporting them in other ways is another possibility yes..? | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? " I'm not a member of the so called pc brigade, but I do know seeing such matters in person changes perspectives. Yes I'd like to think I'd make the sacrifice. | |||
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"Don't worry, us young adults are pretty damn glad you're not too. We'll get on pretty well without attitudes like yours thanks. That sort of reminds of the Oxford Union voting that 2 to 1 that 'this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country' in 1933. That did not work out too well for them..." You know what context is, don't you? | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? I'm not a member of the so called pc brigade, but I do know seeing such matters in person changes perspectives. Yes I'd like to think I'd make the sacrifice. Pssst! The "PC Brigade" is a construct, it doesn't actually exist. " Pssst! That is a very non-PC statement. It might cause great psychological damage to the little darlings | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? I'm not a member of the so called pc brigade, but I do know seeing such matters in person changes perspectives. Yes I'd like to think I'd make the sacrifice. Pssst! The "PC Brigade" is a construct, it doesn't actually exist. Some would machine gun it if it did exist apparently. " Yes, machine-gunning things seems to be some people's answer to lots of things on this thread.... | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? I'm not a member of the so called pc brigade, but I do know seeing such matters in person changes perspectives. Yes I'd like to think I'd make the sacrifice. Pssst! The "PC Brigade" is a construct, it doesn't actually exist. " oh.. so its not split into Divisions such as sandal wearing tree huggers and the pinko soft on crime do gooders..?  | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? I'm not a member of the so called pc brigade, but I do know seeing such matters in person changes perspectives. Yes I'd like to think I'd make the sacrifice. Pssst! The "PC Brigade" is a construct, it doesn't actually exist. Some would machine gun it if it did exist apparently. " Pfft, like they would know the first thing about using a gatling gun..  | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? I'm not a member of the so called pc brigade, but I do know seeing such matters in person changes perspectives. Yes I'd like to think I'd make the sacrifice. Pssst! The "PC Brigade" is a construct, it doesn't actually exist. " Oi! I just made sergeant! It's taken years of hand-wringing about people on benefits, lilly-livered care of the poor and vulnerable and shameless inability to see foreigners as sub-human. My heart has only just started bleeding property! Don't take that away from me | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. What the fuck?? are you for real?? These are desperate human beings ...and desperate people do desperate things!! You're appalling! of course he is for real, and makes bloody sense, we don't see you offering them a room in your home do we, send them back to fight for there country, the country and religion they love so much." Are they trained soldiers? Do the children fight too? Just wondering like? It's not impossible they want to live? | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. What the fuck?? are you for real?? These are desperate human beings ...and desperate people do desperate things!! You're appalling! of course he is for real, and makes bloody sense, we don't see you offering them a room in your home do we, send them back to fight for there country, the country and religion they love so much." They may not have offered a room in their home but they have secretly offered a place in their hearts and made all the little appropriate noises Now the funding and housing falls on the gainfully employed who pay taxes | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. What the fuck?? are you for real?? These are desperate human beings ...and desperate people do desperate things!! You're appalling! of course he is for real, and makes bloody sense, we don't see you offering them a room in your home do we, send them back to fight for there country, the country and religion they love so much." Which country and which religion is it of which you speak? | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? No... I think that when violence is used (be it against border guards or a border fence to force entry into a country it is an invasion and the military should be used to do their job and DEFEND whichever countries borders are being invaded... Why? Since when are infantry trained any better in such scenarios? I imagine there's little point in erecting a border (won't argue on the migrants plight here) if you stand back and allow it to be broken down? Was it proportionate to the force being used? Why? Are you serious? What do you think we (and by that I mean every country) have armed forces for? As for what could a company of infantry soldiers do that the police are not trained to do? How about wipe the whole lot of the invaders out... I doubt that being caught in a cloud of CS gas will put many off. However a few hundred dead bodies where the fence was breached and patrols of men in green with assault rifles and orders to kill all invaders would I suggest act as a potent disincentive to further attempts to use force to travel north and west. I would further suggest that instead of rescuing those found in boats crossing the Med we started sinking them then the whole crisis would soon disappear. What the fuck?? are you for real?? These are desperate human beings ...and desperate people do desperate things!! You're appalling! of course he is for real, and makes bloody sense, we don't see you offering them a room in your home do we, send them back to fight for there country, the country and religion they love so much. They may not have offered a room in their home but they have secretly offered a place in their hearts and made all the little appropriate noises Now the funding and housing falls on the gainfully employed who pay taxes Because none of us have jobs, of course. "Well, in that case, get up early tomorrow morning and head for the job centre | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? " . Yes . We should take any action necessary to protect ourselves from refugees . Lorry drivers and hauliers have to tolerate the disgracefull activities of refugees every day and risk hughe fines and damage to their vehicles for just doing a days work. If we took a really hard attitude towards them , they would soon disappear . In. any event , how many of the refugees are genuine .? | |||
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" If we took a really hard attitude towards them , they would soon disappear . In. any event , how many of the refugees are genuine .?" If they're already in a European country - none. | |||
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"A simple comparison. If you had an unruly mob who appeared unannounced on your doorstep and were banging on your door demanding entry, wouldn't you defend yourself? Or you, without shelter and clothing desperate knocking on a strangers door for help? These people aren't knocking, they're banging and demanding. It's no secret that the vast majority are not refugees, but economic migrants that are coming here for a free ride. And 80% of them are young males; the same kind that went on a sexual assault spree among women in Cologne during new years eve, and the same kind that when they do get in complain that they don't have a car, an apartment and a job. As if someone owed them anything..... Because you too, have toured the refugee camps, I see and are clearly reporting on your findings.... "He doesn't know a damn thing; but I can tell that you do; you are clever and have 'inside knowledge' | |||
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"(1) A trained soldier in Europe cannot under any circumstance shoot an unarmed civilian it's against the Geneva convention the soldier would be tried for murder. (2) a force of 1 million cannot invade a country of over 60 million (3) if a Napoleon who amassed the biggest army in human history and Hitler who amassed the most modern and mechanise army at the time couldn't invade England I highly doubt a bunch of refugees could pull it off " Not to this discussion..in correct Stalin arranged the largest army in human history  and during the prcess lost 2 million men just to delay the Germans... | |||
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"A simple comparison. If you had an unruly mob who appeared unannounced on your doorstep and were banging on your door demanding entry, wouldn't you defend yourself? Or you, without shelter and clothing desperate knocking on a strangers door for help? These people aren't knocking, they're banging and demanding. It's no secret that the vast majority are not refugees, but economic migrants that are coming here for a free ride. And 80% of them are young males; the same kind that went on a sexual assault spree among women in Cologne during new years eve, and the same kind that when they do get in complain that they don't have a car, an apartment and a job. As if someone owed them anything..... Because you too, have toured the refugee camps, I see and are clearly reporting on your findings....
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"(1) A trained soldier in Europe cannot under any circumstance shoot an unarmed civilian it's against the Geneva convention the soldier would be tried for murder. (2) a force of 1 million cannot invade a country of over 60 million (3) if a Napoleon who amassed the biggest army in human history and Hitler who amassed the most modern and mechanise army at the time couldn't invade England I highly doubt a bunch of refugees could pull it off Not to this discussion..in correct Stalin arranged the largest army in human history and during the prcess lost 2 million men just to delay the Germans..."Nothing like a bit of of topic pedantry. I salute you. | |||
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"Here's an idea; As Egypt is suffering a lack of tourists in Sharm and it's hurting their economy. Why not relocate the "Migrants" who have landed in Europe, especially the kids, to these empty hotel rooms ? This could be paid for by all the people who feel sorry for the "Migrants" by "Crowdfunding" and also by the "Celebs", such as Jude Law who are calling for the UK to take more of the "Migrants". A Win-Win situation, a safe place for the "Migrants" and a boost the the Egyption economy. " Bad plan; room service is atrocious in Egypt | |||
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"Can I man the machine guns please " Only if you promise not to hit anyone or squash a fly or step on an ant. We don't need those sort 'ere | |||
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"Can I man the machine guns please Betcha before the end of this decade volunteers will be required." Nah, the place is full orf lille wannabe alpha-males | |||
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"Every country must maintain it's political,economic and security integrity. If a country fails to do this it is heading for disaster. Whilst I have great sympathy for those refugees who have fled from the IS butchers who are creating mayhem in their country the West must attack the cause of the problem. The UK government's agenda has always been regime change in Syria. They did the same thing in Libya where ISIS now reigns supreme The crushing of ISIS is secondary to this government's priorities. The only parties taking on ISIS and actually pushing them back are Putin's forces and we in the "free" world have much to thank him for. To get back to the refugee crisis it is totally unacceptable for any forces to attack vulnerable human beings. The EU has to accept that their inertia has led to this crisis. The EU is a failing organisation and I shall be wearing the biggest smile on my face should we decide to leave it."  | |||
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"Every country must maintain it's political,economic and security integrity. If a country fails to do this it is heading for disaster. Whilst I have great sympathy for those refugees who have fled from the IS butchers who are creating mayhem in their country the West must attack the cause of the problem. The UK government's agenda has always been regime change in Syria. They did the same thing in Libya where ISIS now reigns supreme The crushing of ISIS is secondary to this government's priorities. The only parties taking on ISIS and actually pushing them back are Putin's forces and we in the "free" world have much to thank him for. To get back to the refugee crisis it is totally unacceptable for any forces to attack vulnerable human beings. The EU has to accept that their inertia has led to this crisis. The EU is a failing organisation and I shall be wearing the biggest smile on my face should we decide to leave it." Don't thank Putin too soon - he's bombing ISIS because he wants to maintain the Assad regime, who in turn keep his pipeline in friendly hands. Should we decide to put troops on the ground in Syria, given that we already armed ISIS to overthrow Assad (to be fair, we didn't know them as ISIS at the time), we can't now ally ourselves with Assad so anything we do is effectively "poking the bear".... | |||
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"Merkel lost several seats in a chock win for the right-wing AfD party, germany is finally waking up." Not just in Deutschland, France's front nationale are also gaining ground off the back of the crisis, and turkey is using it to accelerate their bid to join the EU. They are kindly offering to take back the refugees that enter the EU illegally from their border in exchange for ones who are still there legally. | |||
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"Merkel lost several seats in a chock win for the right-wing AfD party, germany is finally waking up. Not just in Deutschland, France's front nationale are also gaining ground off the back of the crisis, and turkey is using it to accelerate their bid to join the EU. They are kindly offering to take back the refugees that enter the EU illegally from their border in exchange for ones who are still there legally. " Yes, is this mirroring what was happening in ww2? I can see similar events. | |||
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"Merkel lost several seats in a chock win for the right-wing AfD party, germany is finally waking up. Not just in Deutschland, France's front nationale are also gaining ground off the back of the crisis, and turkey is using it to accelerate their bid to join the EU. They are kindly offering to take back the refugees that enter the EU illegally from their border in exchange for ones who are still there legally. Yes, is this mirroring what was happening in ww2? I can see similar events." Its the politics of fear and hatred, it happened many times before ww2 and looks to be happening again. I doubt it will ever end. What I do know (from driving through Calais and Dunkirk last year) is that a lot of desperate people have got to Europe and dealing with the crisis in a way that does not destroy the fabric of society is not going to be an easy task. The right wing parties will always gather support when moderate people see their way of life under threat from people who are different culturally, ethnically or economically. Only the moderate and progressive can oppose the views of the right (or indeed extreme left) but the indigenous population must be considered or yes you will see extreme politics become more prevalent and hatred will grow. I drive through France to southern Spain every year and I have seen the build up of both desperate people in camps and the hatred of them by the indigenous population. Neither is a good situation (for anyone) and its only going to get worse with the decisions being made in each member state forcing refugees into squalid camps and through illegal/dangerous corridors to cross the continent. I just truly hope the temporary and limited ceasefire in syria will hold and peace can be achieved for Syria's population. Until that happens this is going to get worse and millions will suffer and die needlessly for one man to retain power at all costs. | |||
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"i saw that baby being washed in a puddle. and you know what? i think a lot of people have been shafted, not just refugees, and people aren't gonna put up with it any more. good luck to them all. the system is stupid, and promotes violence." . You know they asked Bradbury and Orwell a question towards the end of their career, how could they predict the future so well and they both answered with roughly the same reply, they weren't predicting the future, they were just writing on what they saw TODAY. They're talent it seems was seeing things other didn't. If you keep digging behind the headlines on lots of different issues, you often find a common link!, it's just an unpalatable one | |||
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"i saw that baby being washed in a puddle. and you know what? i think a lot of people have been shafted, not just refugees, and people aren't gonna put up with it any more. good luck to them all. the system is stupid, and promotes violence.. You know they asked Bradbury and Orwell a question towards the end of their career, how could they predict the future so well and they both answered with roughly the same reply, they weren't predicting the future, they were just writing on what they saw TODAY. They're talent it seems was seeing things other didn't. If you keep digging behind the headlines on lots of different issues, you often find a common link!, it's just an unpalatable one "It's not that hard to predict things based on what you can see, especially if you have time to study people. I don't even follow any media and haven't bothered for years, i used to be really good at scrutinising it whe i did, not so much now. | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? Yes of course they did right. The police are there to prevent illegal immigrants entering their country. The immigrants have no excuse they are not refugees they are in a safe haven and should obey they laws of their host nation. If they cannot do that they should be arested and deported back to where they came from. Yes that sounds harsh but do not forget the imigrants are no longer fleeing to save their lives they are now simply economic imigrants. That is a big difference" | |||
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"A section of fence at macedonia was smashed open with a battering ram and the police fired tear gas to protect the border, do you think what the police did right? Yes of course they did right. The police are there to prevent illegal immigrants entering their country. The immigrants have no excuse they are not refugees they are in a safe haven and should obey they laws of their host nation. If they cannot do that they should be arested and deported back to where they came from. Yes that sounds harsh but do not forget the imigrants are no longer fleeing to save their lives they are now simply economic imigrants. That is a big difference " | |||
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"why don't they fight isis the way they fight european police?" Because IS will destroy them. Or haven't you been paying attention to the news from the places they are fleeing from? | |||
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"Turkey will now help to stop the flow of migration under the new deal." But the EU pay Turkey billions for the privilege and resume talks for Turkey to join the EU in return. It's just smoke and mirrors on the part of the EU anyway, for every migrant that gets sent back to Turkey, the EU will have to take a migrant direct from a refugee camp in Turkey. Plus this Turkey deal does nothing to stop the flow of migrants coming from Africa across the Mediterranean sea, particularly seeing a rise in migrants coming from Libya now with the on going trouble there. | |||
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"Deport very single one of them back to Turkey Before the whole of Europe ends up like Germany FUCKED" That won't work. They will come back. | |||
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"why don't they fight isis the way they fight european police? Because IS will destroy them. Or haven't you been paying attention to the news from the places they are fleeing from?" whats the difference? they act very similar, look at the crime rates in germany and especially sweden. | |||
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"Turkey will now help to stop the flow of migration under the new deal. But the EU pay Turkey billions for the privilege and resume talks for Turkey to join the EU in return. It's just smoke and mirrors on the part of the EU anyway, for every migrant that gets sent back to Turkey, the EU will have to take a migrant direct from a refugee camp in Turkey. Plus this Turkey deal does nothing to stop the flow of migrants coming from Africa across the Mediterranean sea, particularly seeing a rise in migrants coming from Libya now with the on going trouble there. " Amazing what our nobel peace prize winner has let the world become in 7 years! | |||
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"I don't see the usa doing anything. They are partly responsible for this terrible mess going by the nationalities involved.. And the uk too for taking part in dodgy usa invasions, going back the 1st gulf war over oil , 1 illegal war, and screwing up Libya. Yes othwr countries practice things we hate but who are we to judge and force western ideals on other countries?? Too late now, pandora's box is open now. I can only say you dont get involved in othwr countries wars etc.. But if you do, you have to go full on.. Summon up all forces, side with russia and go back and fuck isis.. Take No prisoners !!! Then send thwm back and dont impose western shit on them. Some foreign values are awful but that's the way it is " whats so bad about western ideals? treating women as equals is wrong, we shouldn't push that on those poor countries. Stopping arranged and child marriages, another bad western ideal. you regressive lefties make me laugh haha | |||
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"I don't see the usa doing anything. They are partly responsible for this terrible mess going by the nationalities involved.. And the uk too for taking part in dodgy usa invasions, going back the 1st gulf war over oil , 1 illegal war, and screwing up Libya. Yes othwr countries practice things we hate but who are we to judge and force western ideals on other countries?? Too late now, pandora's box is open now. I can only say you dont get involved in othwr countries wars etc.. But if you do, you have to go full on.. Summon up all forces, side with russia and go back and fuck isis.. Take No prisoners !!! Then send thwm back and dont impose western shit on them. Some foreign values are awful but that's the way it is whats so bad about western ideals? treating women as equals is wrong, we shouldn't push that on those poor countries. Stopping arranged and child marriages, another bad western ideal. you regressive lefties make me laugh haha" a realist actually. Ever heard of sanctions? | |||
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"I don't see the usa doing anything. They are partly responsible for this terrible mess going by the nationalities involved.. And the uk too for taking part in dodgy usa invasions, going back the 1st gulf war over oil , 1 illegal war, and screwing up Libya. Yes othwr countries practice things we hate but who are we to judge and force western ideals on other countries?? Too late now, pandora's box is open now. I can only say you dont get involved in othwr countries wars etc.. But if you do, you have to go full on.. Summon up all forces, side with russia and go back and fuck isis.. Take No prisoners !!! Then send thwm back and dont impose western shit on them. Some foreign values are awful but that's the way it is whats so bad about western ideals? treating women as equals is wrong, we shouldn't push that on those poor countries. Stopping arranged and child marriages, another bad western ideal. you regressive lefties make me laugh haha" have your laugh numpty | |||
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"Turkey will now help to stop the flow of migration under the new deal. But the EU pay Turkey billions for the privilege and resume talks for Turkey to join the EU in return. It's just smoke and mirrors on the part of the EU anyway, for every migrant that gets sent back to Turkey, the EU will have to take a migrant direct from a refugee camp in Turkey. Plus this Turkey deal does nothing to stop the flow of migrants coming from Africa across the Mediterranean sea, particularly seeing a rise in migrants coming from Libya now with the on going trouble there. Amazing what our nobel peace prize winner has let the world become in 7 years!" It's funny now seeing an organisation like Amnesty international condemning the EU on the news. | |||
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"I hope we eventually take peace seriously as a species and make it happen without violence. Immigration wouldn't be a problem if we got rid of the outdated and non-beneficial concept of nations. " Can I ask, do you get on really well with everyone in your family and where you live? | |||
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"Turkey will now help to stop the flow of migration under the new deal. But the EU pay Turkey billions for the privilege and resume talks for Turkey to join the EU in return. It's just smoke and mirrors on the part of the EU anyway, for every migrant that gets sent back to Turkey, the EU will have to take a migrant direct from a refugee camp in Turkey. Plus this Turkey deal does nothing to stop the flow of migrants coming from Africa across the Mediterranean sea, particularly seeing a rise in migrants coming from Libya now with the on going trouble there. Amazing what our nobel peace prize winner has let the world become in 7 years! It's funny now seeing an organisation like Amnesty international condemning the EU on the news. " yea weird. Turkish Kurds are being hit by Turkish forces.. That the reason? | |||
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"Oh and btw.. Look at all the American equipment small and heavy weapons isis have.. Yea, thanks America.. Nice one!! Fuckin numpties! " What about all the French stuff? I find Americanism very narrow minded | |||
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"why don't they fight isis the way they fight european police?" Ok, I'll do my best to maintain my decorum while answering this utterly, utterly stupid question. I keep hearing idiots (I can think of no other word) spouting this why don't they fight for their country shit. So here it is. Your sitting at home one day when an army of lunatics starts working their way door to door murdering everyone who does not subjugate themselves. Then your countries army roll up a a few miles from town. Hurray, your saved. Maybe you could even ask them lend you a gun so you can fight alongside then. But no, they are not here to help you. They are here to bomb your town into oblivion cos that how they think it's done. So what are you gonna do? Really, what are you going to do stood on your front lawn with a frying pan in one hand your bread knife in other while people fire artillery shells at you. There is no side to join. The only thing you can do is gather your family and run like fuck. And then get told to fuck off back where you are from and fight for your country. Give me fucking strength. | |||
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"why don't they fight isis the way they fight european police? Ok, I'll do my best to maintain my decorum while answering this utterly, utterly stupid question. I keep hearing idiots (I can think of no other word) spouting this why don't they fight for their country shit. So here it is. Your sitting at home one day when an army of lunatics starts working their way door to door murdering everyone who does not subjugate themselves. Then your countries army roll up a a few miles from town. Hurray, your saved. Maybe you could even ask them lend you a gun so you can fight alongside then. But no, they are not here to help you. They are here to bomb your town into oblivion cos that how they think it's done. So what are you gonna do? Really, what are you going to do stood on your front lawn with a frying pan in one hand your bread knife in other while people fire artillery shells at you. There is no side to join. The only thing you can do is gather your family and run like fuck. And then get told to fuck off back where you are from and fight for your country. Give me fucking strength. " And when all those young men who have left their families behind finally get to safety, they celebrate, Cologne style! | |||
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" and when all those young men who have left their families behind finally get to safety, they celebrate, Cologne style! Your confusing economic migrants with refugees. Come on, this is basic stuff and don't avoid the simplicity of the question. What would you do. Stay and die or run?" How do you separate the two? When they're at your border how do you know who is a refugee and who is an economic migrant. Most of the actual refugees go to Turkey, and I'm definitely in favour of helping them there. I'm talking about the ones who just want it easy. I'd stay and fight, I'm not an expert on the whole situation, but I've seen the stories of the all female groups fighting IS, so why can't all those men fight? | |||
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" and when all those young men who have left their families behind finally get to safety, they celebrate, Cologne style! Your confusing economic migrants with refugees. Come on, this is basic stuff and don't avoid the simplicity of the question. What would you do. Stay and die or run?" Not that simple though is it. It's not just isis on one side and Assads forces on the other. They could join the free Syrian army or the Kurds if they wanted to fight against both Assad and Isis. | |||
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" and when all those young men who have left their families behind finally get to safety, they celebrate, Cologne style! Your confusing economic migrants with refugees. Come on, this is basic stuff and don't avoid the simplicity of the question. What would you do. Stay and die or run? Not that simple though is it. It's not just isis on one side and Assads forces on the other. They could join the free Syrian army or the Kurds if they wanted to fight against both Assad and Isis. " You explained that better than me | |||
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"You clearly have no concept of the scale of these conflicts. It not like in the movies where the good guys are hiding behind an old school bus at one end of the stree and the bad guys are over their, behind the oils drums. You don't just wander over and say "can I be in your gang?" You would grab shit and run. And you know it. " Do Do you know what I'm doing? I'm not encouraging hate and fear of people who are already in a desperate situation. | |||
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"You clearly have no concept of the scale of these conflicts. It not like in the movies where the good guys are hiding behind an old school bus at one end of the stree and the bad guys are over their, behind the oils drums. You don't just wander over and say "can I be in your gang?" You would grab shit and run. And you know it. Do Do you know what I'm doing? I'm not encouraging hate and fear of people who are already in a desperate situation. " If i were there id go to a neighbouring country out of the war zone, like turkey for example. I wouldn't then carry on through europe because germany and sweden give out the most free shit and let you get away with horrific things | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? " Me.. My parents came over as refugees. Thankfully most people don't think like you and they were made welcome...not shot at. | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? Me.. My parents came over as refugees. Thankfully most people don't think like you and they were made welcome...not shot at. " And have you? | |||
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"Here's a proposal; Who of the 'rose-tinted hand wringing pc brigade' on here would willingly provide shelter for a Syrian refugee or a family, if they have the room? Me.. My parents came over as refugees. Thankfully most people don't think like you and they were made welcome...not shot at. And have you?" I haven't got the ability to at the moment...I'm giving up my flat shortly to go on tour...so I'll be in hotels and accommodation. I may look into it when I re settle at the end of the year though. | |||
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"Can't understand why anyone would even think about starting a topic like this other than to provoke a little bit of agro. " Kiss fuck or pass thread is over there then | |||
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"Can't understand why anyone would even think about starting a topic like this other than to provoke a little bit of agro. as with plenty of the op's previous threads on migrants...it's only purpose is to provoke...seemingly unable to ever answer his own questions as well..." the op was stating what has happened, he has not given his opinion on what others ask and does not have to either, you can start a thread and comment or not comment in the thread thats upto the op if he wants to or not | |||
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"i bet the gagging for a fuck in them camps. proper sexy guys you see on news, no wonder the fat bald english guys dont want them here "Do you think they'd respond well to you? if i were you id stay well away from those camps lol | |||
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"Can't understand why anyone would even think about starting a topic like this other than to provoke a little bit of agro. as with plenty of the op's previous threads on migrants...it's only purpose is to provoke...seemingly unable to ever answer his own questions as well... the op was stating what has happened, he has not given his opinion on what others ask and does not have to either, you can start a thread and comment or not comment in the thread thats upto the op if he wants to or not "That is right kitty, maibe them 2 should check the rules before psoting. | |||
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"Can't understand why anyone would even think about starting a topic like this other than to provoke a little bit of agro. as with plenty of the op's previous threads on migrants...it's only purpose is to provoke...seemingly unable to ever answer his own questions as well... the op was stating what has happened, he has not given his opinion on what others ask and does not have to either, you can start a thread and comment or not comment in the thread thats upto the op if he wants to or not That is right kitty, maibe them 2 should check the rules before psoting."indeed | |||
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"i bet the gagging for a fuck in them camps. proper sexy guys you see on news, no wonder the fat bald english guys dont want them here Do you think they'd respond well to you? if i were you id stay well away from those camps lol"what a stupid reply | |||
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"i bet the gagging for a fuck in them camps. proper sexy guys you see on news, no wonder the fat bald english guys dont want them here Do you think they'd respond well to you? if i were you id stay well away from those camps lol"i happen to love everything camp and my comments make light of a thread than can easily become mundane nasty and cause an iterstella war | |||
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"That's a nonsense argument. By the same token you must be ok with children being abused, after all, how many abused kids have you fostered? None? You heartless bastard! Not being prepared to do everything possible does not mean you should not bother doing anything at all. Pretty good argument, seeing as you just ignored my question, when i answered yours. I also care about the kids who have suffered since letting these people in. Im pretty sure I'm not allowed to foster kids when I'm only 19 lol. What I'm calling out, not just of you, is the people that seem to care, but do nothing. You're not prepared to do anything to help these people and you know it, i just admit it lol. Letting them all in will make you feel so good about yourself, you're not in the hospitals and schools etc across europe struggling to deal with this" What I do is excessive my democratic right by supporting policies that I believe will work. Like offering to take refugees from camps in the region as I think that's a superb initiative. And that's worth a lot to the effort to help people fleeing conflict than offering a spare room to somone. On the other hand your attitude of failing to show empathy toward others in need and spreading nonsense about ordinary civilians fighting artilary with bare hands simply helps to de-humanise those in dire situations. And that, history has shown us, does not end well. | |||
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May the horrors of being a refugee never bother them so they can sit on their high little horses shooting at people | |||
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"I'm glad that the nasty little people on this thread have no real say in the way the world works. If our world was populated by folk like some on here it would be so much worse a place to be. I'm glad they're in the minority and for that I'll sleep better and always be thankful
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