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By *hyllyphylly OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Blanket ban or allowed in all places?

Or leave as is, places can decide themselves?

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Belfast

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Belfast

Every establishment in lieu of guiding legislation sets their own policy.

In Belfast most (if not all) of the big coffee chains have banned it but there are a few "vapeing" cafes around the fringes of the city centre .

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Interesting questions but, firstly, define 'public space'.

If by that you mean streets and parks, then why the fuck not. If you mean in Tescos or a cinema, that's slightly different.

I think the bottom line is the law hasn't yet caught up but it is up to the discretion of the property owner whether or not to refuse to allow.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

I frequent with alarming frequency all sorts of coffee shops in and around Leicester and the lack of vapers is conspicuous.

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London


"I frequent with alarming frequency all sorts of coffee shops in and around Leicester and the lack of vapers is conspicuous. "

Should that be 'are' conspicuous? I've said it out loud a few times and I'm still not sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it slightly odd seeing people vaping in Marks and Spencer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldnt vape anywhere i wpuldnt smoke. I just treat it the same xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

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By *hyllyphylly OP   Man
over a year ago

Bradford

There's a craft beer place in Halifax, everyone vapes in there..... But there's also a lot of hipsters

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By *olden RatioWoman
over a year ago

Buckinghamshire


"I frequent with alarming frequency all sorts of coffee shops in and around Leicester and the lack of vapers is conspicuous.

Should that be 'are' conspicuous? I've said it out loud a few times and I'm still not sure."

No, "is" is correct, because you are referring to the lack, which is singular.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

unless they are conspicuous vapers

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

my friend came waltzing in last week with a brick sized vapor do dah .... then a quick suck in the boudoir ... Oi fuck off ! says I.

Bloody liberty cos it's not a real fag.... still stinks to non smokers. Vapor cunts. .......... stick to the rules.

Thanks for listening x

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London


"I frequent with alarming frequency all sorts of coffee shops in and around Leicester and the lack of vapers is conspicuous.

Should that be 'are' conspicuous? I've said it out loud a few times and I'm still not sure.

No, "is" is correct, because you are referring to the lack, which is singular."

Thank you

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By *olden RatioWoman
over a year ago

Buckinghamshire


"I frequent with alarming frequency all sorts of coffee shops in and around Leicester and the lack of vapers is conspicuous.

Should that be 'are' conspicuous? I've said it out loud a few times and I'm still not sure.

No, "is" is correct, because you are referring to the lack, which is singular.

Thank you "

That's ok! Sometimes when you say things over and over they just sound odd, and then you end up questioning eeeeeeverything!!! X

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I was out for dinner with a friend and she does it indoors and the waiter asked her not to.

If I'm honest I wouldn't do it indoors. I don't smoke inside even when I can so if I ever manage to use my vape thing without coughing up a lung, I wouldn't do it round other people in a restaurant.

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By *olden RatioWoman
over a year ago

Buckinghamshire


"unless they are conspicuous vapers "

Yes - although then you would need to restructure the sentence to suggest that the conspicuous vapers were lacking...

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By *ackStrakerMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

It use to be I could go to a pub and reliabily just smell of smoke, now everyone's vaping I could smell of any flavor, it's like getting smoked by a sweet factory.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

If smoking isn't allowed them neither should vaping. There's too little research to know the long term effects of vaping so I'd rather not have to be either a passive smoker or vaper.

Funny how ecigarette research states there are no risks from passive vaping however the Workd Health Organisation are calling for a ban on 'toxic' ecigarettes. Wonder which is the less biased study

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I frequent with alarming frequency all sorts of coffee shops in and around Leicester and the lack of vapers is conspicuous.

Should that be 'are' conspicuous? I've said it out loud a few times and I'm still not sure.

No, "is" is correct, because you are referring to the lack, which is singular.

Thank you

That's ok! Sometimes when you say things over and over they just sound odd, and then you end up questioning eeeeeeverything!!! X"

my brain has just shut down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings."

You're referring to Dicetyl which is found in some of the cheap fruit flavoured liquids. It's a common food flavouring but once atomized can cause popcorn lung (so called because it was first found in people who worked making popcorn). It doesn't affect passive vapers, only the caper themselves and its incredibly rare as it requires huge exposure to cause any symptoms. It's also not a dangerous condition but does cause a persistent cough.

A recent court ruling in New York has declared that smoking and vaping are two completely separate things and as such shouldn't be treated in the same way as vaping as far as is known, causes no harm to those who inhale the vapour passively. The tests which showed the vapour to contain formaldehyde have recently been debunked as they were using atomizers at more than 3 times their recomended wattage levels to get their results and the formaldehyde was coming from the cotton wicking material not the liquid. In that state there's zero chance anyone would actually be able to inhale it anyway. If you've ever taken a dry hit or a hit from a coil that's burned out you'll know exactly why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite simply - NO!

Don't do it, fuck off and do it outside or in your own home, etc.

Anywhere else where there are people who do not smoke/vape expect to get told where it might end up...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't remember the details - only that it was apparently the same stuff that had been proven to have caused serious lung conditions and that there hasn't yet been enough done to know for certain what effects e-cigs have on people's health.

Until they know for certain it seems like something best avoided to me - direct or passive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can we allow vaping but ban farting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If smoking isn't allowed them neither should vaping. There's too little research to know the long term effects of vaping so I'd rather not have to be either a passive smoker or vaper.

Funny how ecigarette research states there are no risks from passive vaping however the Workd Health Organisation are calling for a ban on 'toxic' ecigarettes. Wonder which is the less biased study "

There's been loads of research done. They've been around in one form or another since the 70's.

There's 4 basic ingredients 3 of which are regularly found in everyday foods. The ingredients in most liquids are (on average)...

Vegetable glycerine (70% on average).

Propelyne glycol (30% on average).

Food flavouring.

Nicotine (suspended in either a VG or PG base)

What a vaper inhaled is basically flavoured steam and what they exhale is pretty much the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If smoking isn't allowed them neither should vaping. There's too little research to know the long term effects of vaping so I'd rather not have to be either a passive smoker or vaper.

Funny how ecigarette research states there are no risks from passive vaping however the Workd Health Organisation are calling for a ban on 'toxic' ecigarettes. Wonder which is the less biased study "
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Yet you drive around schools in your vw diesel completely conscience free?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If smoking isn't allowed them neither should vaping. There's too little research to know the long term effects of vaping so I'd rather not have to be either a passive smoker or vaper.

Funny how ecigarette research states there are no risks from passive vaping however the Workd Health Organisation are calling for a ban on 'toxic' ecigarettes. Wonder which is the less biased study .

Yet you drive around schools in your vw diesel completely conscience free? "

There's probably fewer emissions from a VW diesel than a real cigarette too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't smoke you can't vape, public arenas like the O2 class the smokers & vapers as the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If smoking isn't allowed them neither should vaping. There's too little research to know the long term effects of vaping so I'd rather not have to be either a passive smoker or vaper.

Funny how ecigarette research states there are no risks from passive vaping however the Workd Health Organisation are calling for a ban on 'toxic' ecigarettes. Wonder which is the less biased study .

Yet you drive around schools in your vw diesel completely conscience free?

There's probably fewer emissions from a VW diesel than a real cigarette too."
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Text Paris and tell them to ban smokers instead of diesel cars!..

And while your at it, household air fresheners, they could be worse than smoking cigarettes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's probably fewer emissions from a VW diesel than a real cigarette too."

No, there isn't. very few run there cars indoors, but those that do quickly show it's bad for your health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't smoke you can't vape, public arenas like the O2 class the smokers & vapers as the same."
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There's no law banning vaping,a private landlord can ban you from doing anything they don't want you to do!...

Like golf clubs can ban you from wearing a hat or jeans

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an aside I don't mind vaping being banned in places where you can't smoke. What bugs me are the people who think they're the same thing and also use the line 'there's not been enough research'. Even BAT (British American Tobacco) did a study and said they were safe and they stand to loose millions from people making the switch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's probably fewer emissions from a VW diesel than a real cigarette too.

No, there isn't. very few run there cars indoors, but those that do quickly show it's bad for your health. "

Do you have a kettle? Do you use it in the house?

It's the same as vaping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought the whole point of ecigs was to help stop smoking so those who use them can surely hold off till they're outside. I hate the smoking ban though, a terrible idea!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They just look like crack pipes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They just look like crack pipes "

Posh crack pipes round your way, it was mini irn bru bottles the crack heads used near me lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They just look like crack pipes

Posh crack pipes round your way, it was mini irn bru bottles the crack heads used near me lol"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought the whole point of ecigs was to help stop smoking so those who use them can surely hold off till they're outside. I hate the smoking ban though, a terrible idea! "

I quit properly on December 27th 2015 after buying some decent vape gear, I've not even wanted a cigarette since then. I've reduced the nicotine levels in my liquids gradually and now I'm vaping 0.3% nicotine half the day and 0% nicotine the other half. I plan to be nicotine free by my 40th next week.

My daughter has just started vaping and not had a cigarette for just over a week too.

I personally think they're the best alternative (aside from pure willpower).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So fracking oil out of the ground despite numerous scientific studies showings it's Ill healths and potential to poison the water supply is OK.... But sucking up food grade glycerin in a restaurant is bad despite no scientific evidence?

Let's have some honesty...What were really taking about is imposing our will on others through no other reason than... I don't like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't smoke you can't vape, public arenas like the O2 class the smokers & vapers as the same..

There's no law banning vaping,a private landlord can ban you from doing anything they don't want you to do!...

Like golf clubs can ban you from wearing a hat or jeans"

true, but a lot of public places are treating vaping the same as smoking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"my friend came waltzing in last week with a brick sized vapor do dah .... then a quick suck in the boudoir ... Oi fuck off ! says I.

Bloody liberty cos it's not a real fag.... still stinks to non smokers. Vapor cunts. .......... stick to the rules.

Thanks for listening x "

If your issue is the smell then surely you have an issue with guys that use Lynx too much or a lass that is too liberal with her Chanel number 5

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can't smoke you can't vape, public arenas like the O2 class the smokers & vapers as the same..

There's no law banning vaping,a private landlord can ban you from doing anything they don't want you to do!...

Like golf clubs can ban you from wearing a hat or jeans

true, but a lot of public places are treating vaping the same as smoking."

Given the judgement in America that may all soon change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's probably fewer emissions from a VW diesel than a real cigarette too.

No, there isn't. very few run there cars indoors, but those that do quickly show it's bad for your health.

Do you have a kettle? Do you use it in the house?

It's the same as vaping."

Think you may have miss read the post , My kettle is not diesel powered or made by VW

Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you.

I personally believe the reason people want to ban vaping is they see it as ex smokers putting 2 fingers up to the law, and they feel that it's wrong to find loopholes so even though there is nothing harmful they ae against it.

p.s. I vapped in hospital, nobody objected. I was locked in a room for several months though.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Tesco'they vape going round tesco. Even i dont. have to nip out for a fag midshopping and i dont want them in restaurants

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By *tretchygirl and tintinWoman
over a year ago

Dartford


"I frequent with alarming frequency all sorts of coffee shops in and around Leicester and the lack of vapers is conspicuous.

Should that be 'are' conspicuous? I've said it out loud a few times and I'm still not sure."

'is' is correct as it links to the lack not the word vapers

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

The inside of a vaping cafe looks like the outside of london in the 1800s, or lord percy's attempts at alchemy....or possibly john carpenters fog

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Allow vaping wherever

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

There's a video taken by a security camera showing a vase exploding in someone's picket, burst into flames. Horrific. Are you allowed to take them on a plane?? If so couldn't this be dangerous. ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a video taken by a security camera showing a vase exploding in someone's picket, burst into flames. Horrific. Are you allowed to take them on a plane?? If so couldn't this be dangerous. ? "
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On a plane is fine as long as you open the window!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a video taken by a security camera showing a vase exploding in someone's picket, burst into flames. Horrific. Are you allowed to take them on a plane?? If so couldn't this be dangerous. ? "

Was it a big vase they had in a picket?

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

Vaping should be banned like smoking in public places

Non smokers like myself have to put up with it

People who vape,smoke have a choice if they smoke it or not

Non smokers don't have a choice if someone smokes or vapes Nr them to breathe it in

An it's very selfish of smokers to smoke Nr someone who don't smoke or don't like cigarette s an vapers are the same .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you. "

I'm pretty sure cigarette manufacturers said the same of cigarettes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you.

I'm pretty sure cigarette manufacturers said the same of cigarettes. "

Exactly this ^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you.

I'm pretty sure cigarette manufacturers said the same of cigarettes.

Exactly this ^^"

So far the extensive research that's been carried out has only identified one mildly harmful chemical - Dicetyl, which causes a persistent cough. This stuff is found in loads of different foods too and only found in really cheap, fruit flavoured liquids, its also being removed from vape liquids. The formaldehyde results have been debunked because of the way the teats were carried out.

Essentially its just flavoured steam with a little nicotine made from 3 or 4 food grade chemicals. Compare that to the 2000+ found in cigarette smoke. Even cigarette companies like BAT are saying they're safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings."

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

To answer the OP as opposed to the daft arguments about e-liquids, vaping is allowed when the business says it is. There are several pubs in York with 'Vaping welcome' signs, but most pubs will allow it as long as you're not cloud chasing. Wetherspoons have explicitly banned it but again it seems to be up to the venue, as York Wetherspoons will have a word if you vape, but the one in Harrogate had no problem with me doing it.

I suspect restaurants would not be happy, due to the fact it can be intrusive when people are eating, and trains and planes do state outright not to do it. I have been able to vape in every swinging club I've visited so far, although I do check in advance.

Use common sense and empathy. If it says its banned, don't do it. If it doesn't, ask before you do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you.

I'm pretty sure cigarette manufacturers said the same of cigarettes.

Exactly this ^^

So far the extensive research that's been carried out has only identified one mildly harmful chemical - Dicetyl, which causes a persistent cough. This stuff is found in loads of different foods too and only found in really cheap, fruit flavoured liquids, its also being removed from vape liquids. The formaldehyde results have been debunked because of the way the teats were carried out.

Essentially its just flavoured steam with a little nicotine made from 3 or 4 food grade chemicals. Compare that to the 2000+ found in cigarette smoke. Even cigarette companies like BAT are saying they're safe."

How long has this extensive research been going on and who is funding / carrying it out.?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think vaping should be treated the same way as smoking and banned in the same places.

If you're that bloody bothered just go outside.

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By *imply DifferentCouple
over a year ago

Bradford

I work in a Bar. Most of our regulars vape, some smo

ke and some do neither. I stopped smoking recently, two months ago I started vaping and I no longer class myself as a smoker as no smoke is involved. Now when I vape behind the bar only the odd bitter person that pipes up until I give them the facts. (Really, would you rather wait for me to finish my cig and come in with that smoke stench before you get served by a pissed off bartender who had to rush his cigarette for you, or would you like to have a bartender serve you straight away because he can put his device down and not have to wash his hands and deodorise because he is vaping a fruity nicotine substitue?)

In e-liquids there isn't much more than nicotine, flavoring and an alcohol Base to allow a burn. Not the the hundreds of thousands of chemicals propaganda leads morons to believe.

E-cigs exploding in pockets? This is another moronic case. Idiots not using the devices properly or unsafely modifying them. (Every e-cig has a safety, and most have overheat cutouts.)

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By *imply DifferentCouple
over a year ago

Bradford


"I think vaping should be treated the same way as smoking and banned in the same places.

If you're that bloody bothered just go outside. "

If you're that bothered about the air quality go get "fresh air"...

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"I think vaping should be treated the same way as smoking and banned in the same places.

If you're that bloody bothered just go outside. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"(Really, would you rather wait for me to finish my cig and come in with that smoke stench before you get served by a pissed off bartender who had to rush his cigarette for you, or would you like to have a bartender serve you straight away because he can put his device down and not have to wash his hands and deodorise because he is vaping a fruity nicotine substitue?) )"

I'd rather have a bartender who wasn't forced to rush his breaks for any reason tbh.

If you're on a break, then you're on a break. If you're not on a break, you shouldn't be smoking...

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


" Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you.

I'm pretty sure cigarette manufacturers said the same of cigarettes.

Exactly this ^^

So far the extensive research that's been carried out has only identified one mildly harmful chemical - Dicetyl, which causes a persistent cough. This stuff is found in loads of different foods too and only found in really cheap, fruit flavoured liquids, its also being removed from vape liquids. The formaldehyde results have been debunked because of the way the teats were carried out.

Essentially its just flavoured steam with a little nicotine made from 3 or 4 food grade chemicals. Compare that to the 2000+ found in cigarette smoke. Even cigarette companies like BAT are saying they're safe.

How long has this extensive research been going on and who is funding / carrying it out.?"

E-cigs have been around for about 40 years. They just haven't become widely used until the last decade or so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think vaping should be treated the same way as smoking and banned in the same places.

If you're that bloody bothered just go outside.

If you're that bothered about the air quality go get "fresh air"..."

I'm not that bothered about the air quality, I just think it's anti social. I don't want to stand with someone puffing their "harmless flavoured vapour" in my face.

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton

Vaping is just as bad as cigarettes. .chemicals an w cigarettes are a new thing an we don't know what the chemicals do to someone's body

As i don't smoke I don't want someone Vaping Nr me I choose not to smoke an my right

I don't want my lungs polluted with e cigarette smoke an 2nd hand smoke from it if something vapes Nr me

Vaping/e cigarettes should be treated the same as cigarette s banned in public places

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think vaping should be treated the same way as smoking and banned in the same places.

If you're that bloody bothered just go outside.

If you're that bothered about the air quality go get "fresh air"...

I'm not that bothered about the air quality, I just think it's anti social. I don't want to stand with someone puffing their "harmless flavoured vapour" in my face. "

It's no different, to me, to moving away from people who wear very strong perfume.

I find it equally anti social and wish it would be stigmatised in the same way as vaping and smoking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Vapers who make me laugh are the ones who exhale a cloud of 'smoke' so large it makes you think they should be off guarding treasure deep in the Lonely Mountain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"my friend came waltzing in last week with a brick sized vapor do dah .... then a quick suck in the boudoir ... Oi fuck off ! says I.

Bloody liberty cos it's not a real fag.... still stinks to non smokers. Vapor cunts. .......... stick to the rules.

Thanks for listening x "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Blanket ban or allowed in all places?

Or leave as is, places can decide themselves?"

Treat as the same as people that are smoking normal cigarettes.

Some of those e cigs let out as much " smoke" as the flying Scotsman!

Yuck!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think vaping indoors should be allowed, some of them are a damn nuisance, I've seen bloody smoke machines blow out less smoke than some its ridiculous for anybody who smokes them to think that's acceptable in a public place around kids and people eating

And some just seem to sit puffing on them anywhere and everywhere 'because they can'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"my friend came waltzing in last week with a brick sized vapor do dah .... then a quick suck in the boudoir ... Oi fuck off ! says I.

Bloody liberty cos it's not a real fag.... still stinks to non smokers. Vapor cunts. .......... stick to the rules.

Thanks for listening x

LOL. love it when other ppl use the word cunt!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite simply - NO!

Don't do it, fuck off and do it outside or in your own home, etc.

Anywhere else where there are people who do not smoke/vape expect to get told where it might end up..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"(Really, would you rather wait for me to finish my cig and come in with that smoke stench before you get served by a pissed off bartender who had to rush his cigarette for you, or would you like to have a bartender serve you straight away because he can put his device down and not have to wash his hands and deodorise because he is vaping a fruity nicotine substitue?) )

I'd rather have a bartender who wasn't forced to rush his breaks for any reason tbh.

If you're on a break, then you're on a break. If you're not on a break, you shouldn't be smoking..."

You beat me to it!

If you're paid to tend the bar then I'd expect you to do just that minus the vape. Save that for your breaks depending on how long hour shift is.

I see some people now permanently sucking on a vape (or so it seems) it's like an adult pacifier.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I see some people now permanently sucking on a vape (or so it seems) it's like an adult pacifier."

To be fair, it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think vaping indoors should be allowed, some of them are a damn nuisance, I've seen bloody smoke machines blow out less smoke than some its ridiculous for anybody who smokes them to think that's acceptable in a public place around kids and people eating

And some just seem to sit puffing on them anywhere and everywhere 'because they can' "

Agree piss takers is what they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you.

I'm pretty sure cigarette manufacturers said the same of cigarettes.

Exactly this ^^

So far the extensive research that's been carried out has only identified one mildly harmful chemical - Dicetyl, which causes a persistent cough. This stuff is found in loads of different foods too and only found in really cheap, fruit flavoured liquids, its also being removed from vape liquids. The formaldehyde results have been debunked because of the way the teats were carried out.

Essentially its just flavoured steam with a little nicotine made from 3 or 4 food grade chemicals. Compare that to the 2000+ found in cigarette smoke. Even cigarette companies like BAT are saying they're safe.

How long has this extensive research been going on and who is funding / carrying it out.?"

Since the 70's when they were first developed. Many cigarette companies carried out tests and so have many independent labs.

One test showed a production of formaldehyde and that seems to be the one that everyone screams about but a couple of weeks ago it was debunked as a totally unfair test. They used atomizers rated at 8w (the pen type ones sold in garages etc) and tested them between 35 and 100w the formaldehyde was actually produced by the wicking material burning due to the excessive heat produced and the vapour would have been totally un-inhalable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's probably fewer emissions from a VW diesel than a real cigarette too.

No, there isn't. very few run there cars indoors, but those that do quickly show it's bad for your health.

Do you have a kettle? Do you use it in the house?

It's the same as vaping.

Think you may have miss read the post , My kettle is not diesel powered or made by VW

Vaping is probably safe, certainly safer than walking down most streets with exhaust fumes all round you.

I personally believe the reason people want to ban vaping is they see it as ex smokers putting 2 fingers up to the law, and they feel that it's wrong to find loopholes so even though there is nothing harmful they ae against it.

p.s. I vapped in hospital, nobody objected. I was locked in a room for several months though."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Work has banned it they class it as smoking

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Most see it as smoking there fire banned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers. "

They can't be considered a better alternative while there's so much uncertainty about them.

As for the 'extensive research' mentioned by others - genuinely extensive research is years away. We have no idea what the health implications may be in years to come.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"There's a video taken by a security camera showing a vase exploding in someone's picket, burst into flames. Horrific. Are you allowed to take them on a plane?? If so couldn't this be dangerous. ? .

On a plane is fine as long as you open the window!Harry houdini would have nothing on yer for sqeezeing through a tight space at 30,000 feet don,t forget yer parachute and oxygen mask.. "

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By *dventuroususCouple
over a year ago

sunderland


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings."

Government scaremongering because they are losing to much in taxes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

Government scaremongering because they are losing to much in taxes."

if you say so

It was on the Naked Scientist podcast. I don't think they're that arsed about Govt. taxes.

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By *ullbackbuttMan
over a year ago

Purton

I think that smoking and vaping should be treated the same. The one thing that really annoys me is having to breathe in passive cigarette smoke in public places. I find it an invasion on my civil liberties. I chose not to smoke for my health and that should be respected. To me that is the end of discussion and any smoker should go and slowly kill themselves in private. Smoking in public places should be totally illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers.

They can't be considered a better alternative while there's so much uncertainty about them.

As for the 'extensive research' mentioned by others - genuinely extensive research is years away. We have no idea what the health implications may be in years to come."

They've been around for 40yrs and loads of research has been done. They're proven to be 99% (give or take 1%) safer than smoking tobacco.

Also, since they became popular the number of teens trying or taking up cigarette smoking has reduced quite significantly, in 2007 29% of teens in America smoked, in 2014 only 9% smoked that's the first time since records began (in the USA) that the numbers have dropped that low.

The companies that have produced the negative research (including several lung and cancer charities) had their research funded by Glaxco Smith Klyne, Johnston & Johnston and Phyzer - the manufacturers of things like Champix, Niquitin and other smoking cessation aids. The fully independent research has only found that vaping liquids containing Dycetial to be harmful and that there's no risk to people inhaling vapour passively.

Whatever peoples views I think we can all agree that inhaling (at the most) 4 food grade chemicals is considerably better for us than several thousand found in cigarette smoke. I smoked 20+ a day since I was 14 and haven't touched a fag since I started vaping properly in December. To me its been a godsend and my health is already greatly improved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers.

They can't be considered a better alternative while there's so much uncertainty about them.

As for the 'extensive research' mentioned by others - genuinely extensive research is years away. We have no idea what the health implications may be in years to come.

They've been around for 40yrs and loads of research has been done. They're proven to be 99% (give or take 1%) safer than smoking tobacco.

Also, since they became popular the number of teens trying or taking up cigarette smoking has reduced quite significantly, in 2007 29% of teens in America smoked, in 2014 only 9% smoked that's the first time since records began (in the USA) that the numbers have dropped that low.

The companies that have produced the negative research (including several lung and cancer charities) had their research funded by Glaxco Smith Klyne, Johnston & Johnston and Phyzer - the manufacturers of things like Champix, Niquitin and other smoking cessation aids. The fully independent research has only found that vaping liquids containing Dycetial to be harmful and that there's no risk to people inhaling vapour passively.

Whatever peoples views I think we can all agree that inhaling (at the most) 4 food grade chemicals is considerably better for us than several thousand found in cigarette smoke. I smoked 20+ a day since I was 14 and haven't touched a fag since I started vaping properly in December. To me its been a godsend and my health is already greatly improved."

Ah big pharma at it again, what a surprise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers.

They can't be considered a better alternative while there's so much uncertainty about them.

As for the 'extensive research' mentioned by others - genuinely extensive research is years away. We have no idea what the health implications may be in years to come.

They've been around for 40yrs and loads of research has been done. They're proven to be 99% (give or take 1%) safer than smoking tobacco.

Also, since they became popular the number of teens trying or taking up cigarette smoking has reduced quite significantly, in 2007 29% of teens in America smoked, in 2014 only 9% smoked that's the first time since records began (in the USA) that the numbers have dropped that low.

The companies that have produced the negative research (including several lung and cancer charities) had their research funded by Glaxco Smith Klyne, Johnston & Johnston and Phyzer - the manufacturers of things like Champix, Niquitin and other smoking cessation aids. The fully independent research has only found that vaping liquids containing Dycetial to be harmful and that there's no risk to people inhaling vapour passively.

Whatever peoples views I think we can all agree that inhaling (at the most) 4 food grade chemicals is considerably better for us than several thousand found in cigarette smoke. I smoked 20+ a day since I was 14 and haven't touched a fag since I started vaping properly in December. To me its been a godsend and my health is already greatly improved.

Ah big pharma at it again, what a surprise. "

Find the video 'The Truth About Vaping' on YouTube. Its pretty objective and neither for nor against vaping but it does explain the differences between vaping and smoking and the big pharma involvement in the negative research results. Just a few days ago the conditions of the tests used to get these results were released and the research debunked itself immediately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers.

They can't be considered a better alternative while there's so much uncertainty about them.

As for the 'extensive research' mentioned by others - genuinely extensive research is years away. We have no idea what the health implications may be in years to come.

They've been around for 40yrs and loads of research has been done. They're proven to be 99% (give or take 1%) safer than smoking tobacco.

Also, since they became popular the number of teens trying or taking up cigarette smoking has reduced quite significantly, in 2007 29% of teens in America smoked, in 2014 only 9% smoked that's the first time since records began (in the USA) that the numbers have dropped that low.

The companies that have produced the negative research (including several lung and cancer charities) had their research funded by Glaxco Smith Klyne, Johnston & Johnston and Phyzer - the manufacturers of things like Champix, Niquitin and other smoking cessation aids. The fully independent research has only found that vaping liquids containing Dycetial to be harmful and that there's no risk to people inhaling vapour passively.

Whatever peoples views I think we can all agree that inhaling (at the most) 4 food grade chemicals is considerably better for us than several thousand found in cigarette smoke. I smoked 20+ a day since I was 14 and haven't touched a fag since I started vaping properly in December. To me its been a godsend and my health is already greatly improved.

Ah big pharma at it again, what a surprise.

Find the video 'The Truth About Vaping' on YouTube. Its pretty objective and neither for nor against vaping but it does explain the differences between vaping and smoking and the big pharma involvement in the negative research results. Just a few days ago the conditions of the tests used to get these results were released and the research debunked itself immediately."

Will do, thanks

Don't get me started on the pharmaceutical industry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers.

They can't be considered a better alternative while there's so much uncertainty about them.

As for the 'extensive research' mentioned by others - genuinely extensive research is years away. We have no idea what the health implications may be in years to come.

They've been around for 40yrs and loads of research has been done. They're proven to be 99% (give or take 1%) safer than smoking tobacco.

Also, since they became popular the number of teens trying or taking up cigarette smoking has reduced quite significantly, in 2007 29% of teens in America smoked, in 2014 only 9% smoked that's the first time since records began (in the USA) that the numbers have dropped that low.

The companies that have produced the negative research (including several lung and cancer charities) had their research funded by Glaxco Smith Klyne, Johnston & Johnston and Phyzer - the manufacturers of things like Champix, Niquitin and other smoking cessation aids. The fully independent research has only found that vaping liquids containing Dycetial to be harmful and that there's no risk to people inhaling vapour passively.

Whatever peoples views I think we can all agree that inhaling (at the most) 4 food grade chemicals is considerably better for us than several thousand found in cigarette smoke. I smoked 20+ a day since I was 14 and haven't touched a fag since I started vaping properly in December. To me its been a godsend and my health is already greatly improved.

Ah big pharma at it again, what a surprise.

Find the video 'The Truth About Vaping' on YouTube. Its pretty objective and neither for nor against vaping but it does explain the differences between vaping and smoking and the big pharma involvement in the negative research results. Just a few days ago the conditions of the tests used to get these results were released and the research debunked itself immediately.

Will do, thanks

Don't get me started on the pharmaceutical industry "

They're devious, self serving shits and always have been. The funny part is that the big tobacco companies have done their own research and its actually been in favour of vaping vs smoking.

P.s. I'm currently vaping doughnut flavour liquid in bed with zero nicotine. It tastes lovely, smells great (far better than fags) and my Smok TFV4 is clouding like a champ

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

I wrote my thesis discussing electronic cigarettes and their benefits for people undergoing radiotherapy to treat lung tumours. Although they are not currently regulated by the MHRA it is looking likely that they soon will be, as although in an ideal world nicotine addiction would not exist, they are a better alternative to smoking.

However there has been some emerging research to suggest that younger non-smokers are using them as they are 'cool', leading them to eventually become smokers.

They can't be considered a better alternative while there's so much uncertainty about them.

As for the 'extensive research' mentioned by others - genuinely extensive research is years away. We have no idea what the health implications may be in years to come.

They've been around for 40yrs and loads of research has been done. They're proven to be 99% (give or take 1%) safer than smoking tobacco.

Also, since they became popular the number of teens trying or taking up cigarette smoking has reduced quite significantly, in 2007 29% of teens in America smoked, in 2014 only 9% smoked that's the first time since records began (in the USA) that the numbers have dropped that low.

The companies that have produced the negative research (including several lung and cancer charities) had their research funded by Glaxco Smith Klyne, Johnston & Johnston and Phyzer - the manufacturers of things like Champix, Niquitin and other smoking cessation aids. The fully independent research has only found that vaping liquids containing Dycetial to be harmful and that there's no risk to people inhaling vapour passively.

Whatever peoples views I think we can all agree that inhaling (at the most) 4 food grade chemicals is considerably better for us than several thousand found in cigarette smoke. I smoked 20+ a day since I was 14 and haven't touched a fag since I started vaping properly in December. To me its been a godsend and my health is already greatly improved.

Ah big pharma at it again, what a surprise.

Find the video 'The Truth About Vaping' on YouTube. Its pretty objective and neither for nor against vaping but it does explain the differences between vaping and smoking and the big pharma involvement in the negative research results. Just a few days ago the conditions of the tests used to get these results were released and the research debunked itself immediately.

Will do, thanks

Don't get me started on the pharmaceutical industry

They're devious, self serving shits and always have been. The funny part is that the big tobacco companies have done their own research and its actually been in favour of vaping vs smoking.

P.s. I'm currently vaping doughnut flavour liquid in bed with zero nicotine. It tastes lovely, smells great (far better than fags) and my Smok TFV4 is clouding like a champ "

Mine is nicotine flavour

I could recommend some really good books and documentaries. Would really open your eyes to their insidious nature.

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By *dventuroususCouple
over a year ago

sunderland


"No smoking should include e-cigs.

I was listening to some science thing saying there are now concerns about the ingredients which have been shown to cause lung problems when used in other settings.

Government scaremongering because they are losing to much in taxes.

if you say so

It was on the Naked Scientist podcast. I don't think they're that arsed about Govt. taxes."

Who do you think created the myth in the 1st place.

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By *dventuroususCouple
over a year ago

sunderland


"I think that smoking and vaping should be treated the same. The one thing that really annoys me is having to breathe in passive cigarette smoke in public places. I find it an invasion on my civil liberties. I chose not to smoke for my health and that should be respected. To me that is the end of discussion and any smoker should go and slowly kill themselves in private. Smoking in public places should be totally illegal."

We didn't choose to breathe in car fumes, bus fumes, industrial fumes etc but we do, it's called life.

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By *helbeeCouple
over a year ago

Nuneaton


"I think that smoking and vaping should be treated the same. The one thing that really annoys me is having to breathe in passive cigarette smoke in public places. I find it an invasion on my civil liberties. I chose not to smoke for my health and that should be respected. To me that is the end of discussion and any smoker should go and slowly kill themselves in private. Smoking in public places should be totally illegal."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that smoking and vaping should be treated the same. The one thing that really annoys me is having to breathe in passive cigarette smoke in public places. I find it an invasion on my civil liberties. I chose not to smoke for my health and that should be respected. To me that is the end of discussion and any smoker should go and slowly kill themselves in private. Smoking in public places should be totally illegal."

But they aren't the same, nowhere near the same in fact, so should be treated differently (as has just been ruled in New York).

I have no issue with venues banning vaping, it's their choice and all the power to them. What irks me is the people who think they're the same thing and that claim there's not enough research been carried out when both are massively inaccurate.

The vaping industry did a huge amount of the damage themselves by calling them e-cigarettes and producing some that actually looked like a traditional cigarette.

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